Why did Twitch change their minds?

[@thegreat4]

The problem with twitch has always been consistency, so I'd imagine that they rolled it back bc they were scared to ban people wrongly and getting even worse backlash

[@AsbestosEater1]

Nah it was definitely the advertisers. Advertizing on a platform with lewd-ish things on it is a thing, but advertizing things on a platform where humongus tits and cocks are drawn is another. No one wants to show their products where adult oriented content exists.

[@francescoperuzzi509]

I mean it feels like they got scared of getting in trouble with their sponsors😅 they somehow still don’t fully understand their community

[@LARAUJO_0]

I mean they were already getting backlash for wrongfully banning people during the policy switch

[@abx_yenway]

Last I heard, American Express threw a fit. I'll never understand why payment processors are so mad about this kind of thing when they're just fine with it on sites dedicated to it.

[@GoriIIaTactics]

Adult oriented sites get more expensive rates from payment processors due to higher levels of fraud

[@LARAUJO_0]

It's because Twitch is a 13+ platform and credit card companies want to avoid legal trouble significantly more than most other companies fsr

[@chadowsrikatemo4494]

I'm all in with allowing artistic nudity, and almost every artist agrees, but people went wild with what artistic nudity means

[@Kittenlover113355]

yeah like artistic nudity obviously doesnt include sexual content, i thought this was obvious but apparently not

[@pinksywedarnoc8017]

For real. I think twitch streamers don't know what artistic nudity is.

[@uselessprotaganist7444]

I think what might have made it click better for people is to point out that these were the same rules KZbin has, so if you'd be scared to post it on KZbin you should probably be hesitating. It's literally the exact same phrase and everything. KZbin officially allows nudity for artistic or educational purposes, while banning anything sexual. That doesn't mean you can throw up giant furry futa dicks on KZbin without consequences, so I don't know how everyone thought the same didn't hold true for Twitch.

[@williamfalls]

The problem is that Twitch didn't do the most basic thing... They should have had restrictions put in place so that people _can_ do it, but their stream will be marked at 18+ and censored from being viewable until you agree you are 18+... And if you're not 18+ you don't have access to it or able to view even the thumbnail. But Twitch just was like "Ok, everyone have fun!" and porn just dumped on everyone's recommendations because of it.

[@nujevad28]

There was a popular ecchi artist who drew a rendition of Michelangelo's David and got banned. You couldn't get mire artistic than that.

[@pakxenon]

When I used to surf on Newgrounds, there were clear sections for 18+ and violent content, and it was almost a free for all. And they were there for you to look for but were never promoted to the front pages. I miss old internet.

[@k4rz43]

11:04 _We are hitting BASED levels that shouldn't even be possible._

[@Janokins]

Straight facts. I saw... Some stuff growing up, and I don't doubt little Billy will too. Now the government where I live has suggested this idea of having face scanning technology to do age verification on the users of certain sites. If it gets through, the reputable sites will do it, and the less reputable sites won't. I don't want my face scanned, and I don't think Billy would either. So what are we going to do? Go to the less reputable sites and end up seeing some stuff that we don't want to see. Bruh.

[@Tarodenaro]

I still stand my ground by this super sus act at the possibility that this is an elaborate honeypot to weed out undesirable, kick people out / ban them for a while just to put heavy distrust at Twitch and makes them hesitate to stream after this.

[@Ryzawa]

I mean it's not entirely a loss in freedom, in-game nudity being allowed is something that wasn't really allowed beforehand, it means games like GTA (esp w/ 6 coming up) are less of a threat/scare for streamers to play to the fullest.

[@TeaTimeLethe]

Important topic. *too busy staring at handsome prof*

[@lichtsprecher]

This haircut is 🔥

[@lormythos]

I draw classical nudes with traditional media and was excited about maybe starting to do something online. That was.. short lived. Picarto allows it, but it's not a popular platform so I'm not sure if it's worth the gamble. Hoping Twitch updates the policy and takes additional action to protect "NSFW" creators.

[@phoenixvance6642]

I've never even heard of Picarto. What a shame we are under a twitch monopoly

[@Alkhemia8]

As a youtube only person watching this firestorm was hilarious, the site was basically a porn site for that day for how dumb people were

[@ActuallyYoda69]

I second this lol

[@Virtual_Maid_Miyu_Full_Menu]

I was really motivated and wanted to do anatomy studies but the rollback happens and now I've moved it to picarto 😢 All they had to do was make a 18+!art category

[@SorenNido]

Twitch just needs to make up their minds, do they wanna keep their reputation of being a very-soft softcore porn site with some sfw people on the side or do they want to be a proper streaming site for actual streamers.

[@inanimatesum4945]

There were multiple things. One person wanted to just go way over the line regardless of the warnings, American Express got pissed, someone drew up a certain prophet being well endowed. Probably even more that we likely won't know exactly because of how much of a mess it was.

[@braiinrxtt]

I hate the turn of people being all “oh protect the kids!!!” on every site ever. The internet was NEVER a safe space for children and it’s not the job of strangers to police what your kids are doing online. If the parents are truly that worried that their child might see naked anime girls then they need to take a proactive role in monitoring what they do online. It’s YOUR kid, not ours. I’m not taking any responsibility for some dumbass 12 year old when their own parents won’t.

[@claysebo]

you absolutely nailed it in this rant

[@dreamylunastreia]

Back to the trenches of the dark corners of Xwitter for us.... We could have had it all and we were robbed once more....

[@sombra_rex1212]

Deserved

[@electrocast]

the talk about nsfw artists getting pushed off of site after site is SO damn real. i cannot find where tumblr nsfw fanartists went to. i only can find the furry stuff, but sometimes i want human nsfw too, and now all i have is paheal and pixiv for human stuff. where do i go when i start drawing it. where do i post it. where is that okay any more.

[@a_pullin]

Twitch app would get banned from the Apple App Store if they did not regulate "obscenity".

[@Lucas-mf6yq]

what a wise man

[@Trauson]

But even in youtube if you get certain argorythm you can watch some extreme stuff here in KZbin

[@redwed6]

Rip to all the kids who could have had their furry awakening earlier in life with these art streams ✊😔

[@johnsmith-ow3xs]

He was so real for this

[@zayanaut]

Little Billy def be seeing some wild shit daily

[@N00BLUV-py8fb]

as a 14-year-old i can confirm that we can look the stuff up

[@EnraiChannel]

I think some were bodypainting their booba so it was obvious that wouldn't fly. Vtubers are sometimes very risque, but I don't think they have collectively been as bad as some other demographic. So I don't think the hate for vtubers is warranted.

[@DeltaEntropy]

Body painting has been on twitch for forever. Since 2022 at least.

[@RaspyCh]

@@DeltaEntropy”since forever” then says only a year ago lol

[@DeltaEntropy]

⁠​⁠@@RaspyChfirst of all, it’s called hyperbole. 2022 was just a random number that was well prior to the current TOS events but that I was sure was accurate. I wasn’t saying that 2022 was forever ago. They were two separate sentences. Second it’s actually more than 6 years ago based on a quick google search, which is more than half of twitch’s lifetime, which I would consider since forever.

[@rabidmutt87]

I'd lay some of the blame at twitch's feet. Sure some streamers took it too far, but that's why you have community guidelines in the first place. They broke guidelines, then they have to be held accountable. But what about website UI? Lando mentions he could see explicit stuff from the preview thumbnails. I think I saw another content creator complain about this on the day of the policy change. Twitch has the preview page that you have to click accept to enter the stream when there is potential sexual content. Why didn't they have the preview thumbnails censored with a filter or some other thumbnail for these type of streams? This way, people who are not interested in that content don't have to see it. I think they rolled out this policy too quickly and didn't think it through.

[@mangoteaplus468]

The new hairstyle looks great on you!

[@curare6373]

Honestly I blame the community on this. Twitch is fucked but it always has been. If you see twitch changes their rules you keep doing what youre doing till its hammered out. Loads of lets be honest degenerates. Brain rotted artists and their ilk didnt think there was a difference with something being artistic representation and straight up drawin porn. And then decided to push the limit. You said yourself this took one day. The floodgates opened and the stupid poured out because people naturally went that extreme. Drawing tiddies out on a 13+ site before they have any implementation of their tags yet to block underage viewers is something my made up lawyer would shit himself over. How did everyone imagine this was going to go?

[@MB-og3dw]

i really think we need to place responsibility on parents to control what their kids watch. someone tried to argue with me that a kid shouldnt be seeing boobs if he wants to watch ninja and like... the first time i ever saw something from ninja he went into graphic detail about anal lmfao

[@edmundoandrade5113]

Boy we can't have fun things 😔

[@Alieswing]

We need to stop little Billy, so i can draw my buff tiger boobas on stream!!!

[@social3ngin33rin]

The stream tag could be nsfw lol Good counterargument.

[@phokeyu3749]

11:04 I think priests would definitely agree with this opinion.

[@nicolasshiro8379]

Adult artist, adult artist... Dog artist.

[@LegalizeMaron7110]

I'm disappointed 😞 I was genuinely happy with the new policy. I really looked forward to the Renaissance that could have been for vtuber's and e-girls alike. All they had to do was age restrict the 18+ rated stuff. Them taking it all back, just screwed everyone over! The blame should not be placed on the e-girls who were testing the rules in the first place. The issue originally was that the rules were unclear about it. Then, they came up with a policy that allows artistic nudity and topples meta! With rules that were more reasonable and clearer to understand. I was happy about vtuber's D's and e-girls D's coming together ❤️ 💕 but then there were those who broke 💔 the rules, and sadly 😥 we got the bad ending 😢 Twitch walked back on what was a good policy that could work for everyone, now back exactly where we were initially and world 🌎 lost in the end I want Twitch to reinstate the rule changes that they had!

[@Kittenlover113355]

there are other platforms for more adult content, but twitch is supposed to be 13+

[@ikiryoo]

BaZed af in the last few minutes hoolyyyy

[@renavolutionary]

jorjor well

[@DeadSpectre329]

It was from the Fellas at the freakin' FCC, wasn't it?

[@alasfedrMW3]

1984