Why Didn't Spanish America Unite Like Brazil?

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[@jeanitacarambi354]

it's funny that in Brazilian Historigraphy, we make the oposite question: Why Didn't Brazil dismebered Like Spanish America?

[@elultramontano]

alliance with Britain

[@TavasM]

@@elultramontano uhm no? its waaaaaay more complicated than that

[@jeanitacarambi354]

​@@elultramontano we already have answers being written for more than 150 years of historiography until today. The british is one of the minor causes of the brazilian unity. They sure helped in the independence processe by diplomatic and econonic means, but the political means of the unification during and after the independence war are autoctonous.

[@user-dk1fg5ct7s]

​@@jeanitacarambi354bro, I think there are two main reasons for Brazil to be united after its indepedence: Pedro I, who fought against regional independences processes, and Duque de Caxias, who did the same

[@jeanitacarambi354]

@@user-dk1fg5ct7s you're right. Seeing the question as a a matter of agency of individuals, Pedro I and Caxias are two heroes of the national integrity. But there are others points of viewing. As exemple, economic and social ones (many historians sees the manutering of slavery as a cause of a "pact" of the elites for the conservation of the economical estrutures and avoid of slave revolts).

[@brunolike8631]

I was not expecting the bit of brazilian and portuguese history at the end! You clearly did your research

[@emanuel585]

As a brazilian i can confirm that all of the brazilian parts were factual

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[@icebulb]

Thanks! I spent a long time researching and writing the script

[@FrutoseDeMorango]

@@icebulb Amazing video! It would also be cool to have a video dedicated to the history of Dom Pedro II. He was a hyperpolyglot, educated in numerous subjects, was raised by José Bonifácio, patriach of Brazil, and Rafael, o Anjo Negro, an ex-slave. Under him, the royal family had no slaves as he despised it and banned slavery with his daugther he had plans to integrate the ex-slaves into Brazilian society, but the Republican coup exiled him to Portugal and forgot all plans about ex-slave integration.

[@icebulb]

I will add him to the list! Although I already have lots of ideas in the back-burner haha

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BRAZIL MENTIONED

[@tiosubaruomg]

Não de una forma muito boa

[@brunovarella5155]

​@@tiosubaruomg achei que ele valorizou bem o Brasil, quase uma ode

[@dr_frog01]

@@tiosubaruomg Obvio que o assunto foi focado na américa espanhola, mas ele conseguiu explicar os motivos pelos os fatos explicados durante a história então o video em si foi ótimo.

[@blueguns15000]

this dude is the oversimplified of countryballs

[@dexterity_1st]

Exactly

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An interesting thing that can be noticed is that whenever someone from another country mentions Brazil and talks about it, there are always Brazilians to come and watch and been a subscriber

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[@PersianCyrusII]

I swear if the answer is “it’s basically napoleons fault” I’m gonna lose it

[@icebulb]

It's basically Napoleon's fault

[@maeianomarengo4316]

Latinoamerican independence wars in a nutshell.

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I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO!!! It’s great to see latam history covered in detail and humor, greetings from Puerto Rico!

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[@LT.KiraHertling1701]

22:45 there is a very interesting historical fact here involving Brazil. During july and december 1822, Brazil occupied Upper Peru at the request of its governors, who feared an invasion by Bolívar's forces. Later, in 1825, the Empire of Brazil would occupy part of Bolivia, with the aim of dissuading Simón Bolívar from helping the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata during the Cisplatine War.

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[@icebulb]

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Brazil was the Portuguese royal family, Dom João VI moved the seat of the Portuguese government from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro in 1808

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I absolutely love how accurately you pronounce the names in the video. Like, most of the time I'm watching these kind of videos, people tend to pronounce the names of locations and historical figures in a funny way, and I don't blame them as it's hard to pronounce a word from another language, but you are able to pronounce EVERY single foregin word PERFECTLY. Congrats!!! Really good and informative video as well!

[@icebulb]

I mean, they're not exactly foreign words for me hahaha so you could say I'm cheating a little bit

[@losalphaenterprises]

@@icebulb Wait I didn't know you were spanish too lol

[@AdriElGrafiquero]

11:22 His name was Juan Bautista Cabral

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[@cleitopson]

25:08 The references, lol! Great video, loved all the detail and gags on it, absolutely worth the wait.

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peak pronounciations on your part, 1 sub from brazil buddy

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More to come! I'm glad you enjoyed it

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This was very funny, especially all the gags you threw in

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The whole video took 6 months, including research and script. Glad you enjoyed it!

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I'm new subscriber I learn more about Latin America I didn't expect you mention my country Philippines.

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Great video! Never learned anything about the history of south america in school, nice to watch a well done video about it now

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Ironic to think that Dom João VI did not want to return to Portugal and independence began with the intention of the courts to demote Brazil to a colony.

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[@franbalcal]

Would have been funny if you added how Bolivar billed peru for the costs of their independence. An independence that many in Peru didnt want (as one of the most loyalist regions). But Bolivar couldnt permit the spanish to have a foothold in south america where they could try to reconquer the lost territories.

[@juliangheiler7646]

Honestly I didn't want this video to end

[@REEEPROGRAM]

A united spanish americas would've been a REALLY long chile: changed my mind

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Goated video, learned a lot about post colonial SA

[@icebulb]

I'm glad you liked it!

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I never got much into Spanish and Portuguese colonial history but this brought greater interest in my mind. Now I feel more connected to something apart of my heritage

[@icebulb]

Awesome! 😎

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As a person with such heritage, fck their claims that's why 😂

[@tuff9486]

You need to make a part 2 of what happens after.

[@icebulb]

I'm planning on making a follow-up video on the Texas Revolution and maybe one on the Paraguayan War

[@tanjiro.127]

Wow. This is amazing! I’ve always wanted to understand how South and Central America ended up this way. I’ve spent hours on Wikipedia and ChatGPT trying to figure it out, but always just got a vague idea. This was exactly what I needed! Thanks for much for making. And for including Central America and Brazil, to make sure our curiosities were fully satisfied! Only thing I’m still wondering is how Chile and Argentina ended up extending down South. Btw, why are the music and sound effects identical to Oversimplified? Is it a tribute? I love it, of course!

[@bunniifangz]

Patagonia (the southernmost part of South America) was basically ungoverned by any formal states and only had a tiny population of indigenous people living there so it was basically free land to these two countries which they spent decades fighting over

[@icebulb]

Yup, that's a good summary

[@icebulb]

I'm glad the video was exactly what you were searching for! And yeah, the music is Oversimplified's because it's the best copyright-free music out there, by artist Kevin Macleod. The sound effects are the generic "whoosh" and "slap" everyone uses haha Love that you love it! Thanks for the support!

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"Only thing I’m still wondering is how Chile and Argentina ended up extending down South" Very similarly to how the US extended to the west, killing natives.

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great video... a little to "Oversimplified" inspired... but I hope you found your own style soon.

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honestly you nailed it man, you explained it better than how my school taught me (i'm in honduras)

[@Someone45356]

this video is really really really understating peru's presence in the entire conflict. For one it was the original and only viceroyalty in america during the hapsburg era of the spanish empire. And despite you saying the rugged and accidented terrain is why spanish america is not united, yet the original viceroyalty of peru held everything from Panama to the Patagonia from 200+ years until Carlos III. This is also to say, Peru was the most loyal out of all the viceroyalties in Peru. There was no initial impetus from anyone to declare independence there, it was all work done by both San Martin and Bolivar which then later propped up caudillos from peru proper. But before this the royal army of Peru was essentially a humongous bulk of this "royalist" force you speak of. It's so easy to just call the royalists spanish as if they were The royalists, when really for a grand majority it was the same mestizos, criollos, indigenous from the territories. In fact the royalist side actually did include a greater portion of indigenous and slave-descent soldiers since the wars of "independence" (more like secession really) would not benefit them as it was a very very criollo project. But back to Peru, a lot of those counter reconquistas you mentioned in the video were in fact done by Peru. They were the ones marching in Santiago, Buenos aires, cartagena, Quito. So to a lot of the rest of hispanoamericans in south america Peru was seen as an imperial juggernaut and bulwark. They were forced to act against Peru as a sort of way to guarantee that they wouldn;t get reconquista'd again like they already had. And in the end the only reason they won was because Peru imploded in chaos just before the "independist" side did themselves. Which is how it ties in to how Spain's politics did ruin Peru, and the exact issue that later became the carlist vs liberals was the death sentence for peru. The thing is that Ferdinand VII in 1820 wanted to send 20,000 troops to south america and quell the rebellions. Instead the troops go and commit a coup lead by rafael de riego and impose the liberal constitution of 1812. It's interesting how it lines up since when San Martin declares independence for Peru, Peru was being independized not even against the crown but against the liberal junta of that time. It was during this period that a lot of the fighting back was done by royalists though, and surprisingly enough they were winning. Viceroy de la serna would start moving the capital and everything to avoid defeat, and as previously mentioned the fact that the indigenous were on his side made the andes a very strong fortress. But then 1823 came. Ferdinand VII finally comes back to power in the throne.... and the first thing he does is throw everything the trienio liberal had done. And by everything it was literally all of it. Viceroy de la serna was now in a complete legal void, since he was a viceroy appointed during the trienio liberal. This gave the chance to this one general Olañeta to rebel on the side of the conservative king as opposed to a liberal viceroy. The rebellion of Olañeta was a HUGE drain on peruvian forces, not just from the defects but fighting it back costed lots of lives. Some could even say that Olañeta in Peru was more pivotal to causing the actual independence than even bolivar himself who was losing on his end up until that point. The battle of Junin was a decisive one for this reason, as it was one where the independists had actually won and it only marked the end for the viceroyalty of peru. Peru in the end lost all of its stability since now the "presidents" were almost always caudillos elected by themselves pulling coups and this kept on for a really long time after independence, both Bolivar and the british put Peru in debt and asked for money back from literally being independized against its will. Even Bolivar himself had said "Peru gained nothing except its own independence". Simon Bolivar himself in Peru to this day is not a very well regarded figure at all. As you mention he was made literally the first dictator of south america by the bootlicking congress of Peru. Bolivar abused his power and his constitucion vitalicia only lasted a few days since the man ended up getting kicked out rather soon after taking power. Bolivar for his part would openly state in letters how he disliked peruvians and quiteñans and had quite the vitriolic things to say about them, which is also in part why he took guayaquil and created bolivia as we know it. The Gran-colombo peruvian war was also a thing in this, where the territories of Maynas, tumbes, and Jaen fought to stay in peru alongside peru itself. They felt themselves more part of Peru than gran-colombinos and unlike guayaquil they succeeded in staying apart of peru in the end. As for other miscellaneous comments, by 1796 the spanish americas already had the common hispanic market which was set up in 1778. This market was literally the reason Buenos aires became relevant in any way whatsoever through the leather trade. Before this point it was merely a backwater that had no spanish military presence, relied on contraband to even thrive, and was a very fringe portion of the viceroyalty of peru before becoming part of the newly made rio de la plata viceroyalty. It's so ironic how places that were being treated better like buenos aires and became rich as well ended up being the most secessionist, meanwhile Peru that lost a good portion of its territory stayed loyal to spain until the end. Also speaking of secessionists, its no surprise as you mention the british movements during this time. All of the independist leaders from O'higgins, to Don Jose de San martin, and Bolivar were all into english masonry and this played a huge role in what they ended up doing in the end. Speaking of which I found funny the bit with O'higgins becoming chilean, since in the end he was actually kicked out from Chile and went to live his final days back in Peru. To this day the house of O'higgins in Lima is still there. Lastly Mexico and this whole part of New Spain as a whole declared independence as a result of the conservative vs liberal politics too. It was done however much more peaceful relatively than south america, as both the criollos mestizos and indigenous caciques and powerful people were more uniliterally agreeing that Spain being so liberal was not gonna fly. Good to note that this independence also just so happens to be in 1821... which was trienio liberal time. All of these political conflicts were all exarcerbated as a result of the napoleonic wars. But had in many ways roots coming back all the way from the bourbon reforms, the same bourbon reforms that split peru and created so many of the modern borders we know, promoted absolutism, removed all the jesuits (which were the very soul of how some of these viceroyalties were so big to begin with), gave places like buenos aires and venezuela the power to exercise what they did. In the end a lot of reasons all coalleced in this sort of sequence of events, and lead an otherwise very prosperous empire that lasted 300 years to end in said part of the world.

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Oh and about the Novales Revolt, his officers were disgruntled “Americanos” i.e. Mexico, Peru, etc. and they captured the entire city of Manila except for Fort Santiago, which his brother controlled. Cheers!

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