Why Do Most Watches Suck? - (Armani Exchange, Hugo Boss, Hilfiger, Michael Kors etc)

[@BensWatchClub]

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[@flamingchuucygnet8983]

Thanks to you, i'm slowly falling into the watch rabbit hole (although mainly on old digital analogs) and one thing I realized about fashion watches is that they're more or less like "gaming mics/headphones" cheap builds with a lot of "bling" sold at high prices compared to proper headphones that are cheaper and better priced made by purpose made companies. Thank you!

[@TheNightshadePrince]

Casio is trash, their customer service is horrible, they sell watches with plastic cases covered in tin foil, and they are overall a scamy company. I personally don't think you should promote them because of that but do what the wilt. I actually disagree with you on the dial of the Armani I think it looks cool but agree that it was poor manufactured. If it was an automatic watch and not a quartz I would have it in my collection, but I don't buy quartz watches cause they're bad for the environment. I don't mind the crown guards issue as if you wear your watch on your right arm as you're suppose to (but most people don't) then you are very unlikely to damage your watch crown. :)

[@flamingchuucygnet8983]

I dunno man, casio digitals are pretty neat, so are their calculators.

[@deeprod2592]

@@flamingchuucygnet8983 yeah that shit is solid, bought a 45€ digital casio back in 2017 and the thing still works fine, never changed anything on it + looks cool

[@flamingchuucygnet8983]

@@deeprod2592 The best part, anytime I wanna "clean" my F91Ws, I don't have to grab a cotton bud or a special cloth or special cleaning agents, I just wash the damn thing in a sink and dry it with my towel, no scratches, no water damages, just pure enjoyment.

[@samfallow18]

If you want to buy a watch, buy from a brand that actually makes watches.

[@MegaRizm]

True.

[@debendragurung3033]

Yes indeed.

[@nigelixtiti]

Hi, i have a potentially dumb question here. But how do I tell if im an absolute novice? For example if i google Armani (or even Fossil), they are listed as companies that make watches. So how do I tell if its a proper watch making brand, or just a brand that produces “fashion watches”?

[@DirtFather407]

Except Louis Vuitton, they went all out on their high end watches

[@demonix207]

@@nigelixtiti maybe look at the Reviews and (if there's something like that)at the faq, than also maybe try to find many KZbin videos about the same watch to not just get tricked, by a KZbinr who got money for saying that it's good even if it isn't. Edit : also be always sure that the price is like starting on around 100 € (or $) cause that is also a good detail to see if a watch is well produced and has maybe high quality.

[@Zechariah340]

My grandfather used to be a watch collector, he had everything from Chopard's, Cartier's, Citizen's, Movado's etc. When he was still around I used to spend my vacations by him, and we went to the mall and I saw this watch by Hugo Boss going for around 80$, I asked him to get me it but he said no he'd get me something better. I said okay and didn't argue. Fast-forward a couple of weeks op my birthday I had already forgot about the watch. I got a gift from my grandfather and inside it was a watch. He got me a Timex Waterbury watch. I know some people call Timex trash but that watch was amazing to me, I used to wear it almost every day, I wore it on my frist date, graduations etc. But sadly one day someone broke into my house and stole the watch.

[@Zechariah340]

@Anirudhan Sreelal oh yes I do. Haha your grandpa kinda sounds like me😭

[@BubbafromSapperton]

My first watch was a Timex that cost $6.00 new in 1967, I wore it for years & years. 🤗

[@Zechariah340]

@@BubbafromSapperton wow that's awesome

[@OffGridInvestor]

I thought you were going to say he bought you an omega or something 🤣

[@yourbadtrip4207]

If watch alone is stolen, it's someone you know, for sure

[@dylancostello1103]

I love how 90% of us already know the answers, but still like to watch Ben trash fashion watches

[@Jikaninja]

Interesting icon……..I don’t care if ppl trash any fashion brands, especially if it is a clear scam or rip-off, but like Zodiac is definitely not built in China……Please do not insult the brand just because they are own by Fossil group….just like I will not buy any China built VW golf doesn’t mean that Lamborghini, Bugatti are built in China! Even though both Lambo and Bugatti are own by VW! Do your research.

[@craigroberts5965]

@@Jikaninja Where your Golf is made is likely down to where you're buying it (North America? Mexico or Brazil). I believe European sold Golfs are manufactured in Wolfsburg Germany.

[@craigroberts5965]

@@Jikaninja and he didn't bad mouth Zodiac. He alluded that the Fossil group manufacturers cheap watches on behalf of other brands.... And that they happen to own Zodiac.

[@seybertooth9282]

@@Jikaninja "I will not buy any China built" You are a good citizen, you have bought the anti-China propaganda hook, line and sinker without a hint of critical thinking and you are passing it on. The gov propaganda machine are proud of you.

[@seybertooth9282]

@@craigroberts5965 Yes, they are made in Wolfsburg. @Jinkaninja is just a clueless hysteric who has bought into US propaganda and is joining in the "2 minutes of hate" with zero questioning.

[@Seele2015au]

One might be happy with his Sony television set, but he might think twice about yogurt branded as Sony. Fashion watch buyers are the type who would buy Sony yogurt.

[@thenonexistinghero]

But Nintendo serial is so good...

[@ofb923]

This is so random and I love it

[@FatGouf]

Reminds me of Maserati watches.

[@marknemeth267]

I hate fashion watches. And I kinda want to try a Sony yogurt.

[@smazungsmazo-qh1bw]

LoL. Sony is a mass market consumer product. Comparable with the fashion watches you talk about. There are other high end brands in electronics that compare with traditional watches.

[@davidbrunken7600]

"The hands look like they've been circumsized, hitting well short of where they should." You just won't find that kind of hard-hitting, journalistic analysis from Hodinkee.

[@seybertooth9282]

That's because Hodinkee are too busy sucking their sponsor's [beeps].

[@dragonballtorture]

@@seybertooth9282 this sponsor's [beep], is it circumcised or uncircumcised?

[@MrPleers]

I'm visit the Hodinkee page only to see the photo's and the specifications of the watch. Not for an unbiased review. Because that is not what you will get.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Definitely done by the yanks

[@jbuckley2546]

So does his head.

[@gadget00]

I was without a watch for quite some time, and my wife was buying a Michael Kors bag online and decided to get me a watch as a surprise christmas gift; she's the best. The watch is borderline ugly and heavy, but I keep it as a token of love in the drawer next to my Bulova Cronograph C(love it!) and others, and even wear it sometimes when I go out with her so she can see it and get a happy smile. Remember kids, true love is sacrifice LOLOLOLOL

[@Mysteryboy0007]

you are a treasure to the human kind my friend

[@VCthaGOATdunker]

How lovely.

[@vojtizslav]

Now this is something I can respect.

[@rolgolding]

Lesson learned. I would have told my wife to get our money back and teach her what a real watch is… but probably she wouldn’t smile that much.

[@ShadrachN7]

I disagree with your sentiments about Spaghetti Scametti. They aren't "cheap", they're "affordable luxury". Ask any middleman.

[@JuanMarkk]

Lmao😂😂

[@rudy7403]

🤣🤣

[@gregorybarry4564]

From what I hear, random women approach you and compliment you on your watch. Seen this on their ad.

[@Jamie-2004]

@@gregorybarry4564 People have literally been stopping me on the street...

[@bunberrier]

I was at a stoplight yesterday and a unemployed middleman holding a cardboard sign approached my car. I handed him one of the drive through burgers I just bought and he actually burst into tears. Scammetti and all of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

[@ronniep9272]

I had an Armani watch back in 2001 for £200 when I turned 18, it got a lot of attention at that time and lasted 10 years. I can't complain.

[@Stefan-ei5wg]

Own one myself now and no complaints either...despite fact according to this watch "expert" i'm wearing a "garbage" on my wrist..

[@ronniep9272]

@@Stefan-ei5wg at the end of the day a watch is a piece of jewellery. The fashion watches usually have a contemporary design and a quartz movement that will be more accurate than the best luxury watches. And I'm saying this as someone who owns a couple of expensive watches.

[@kaas228]

Attention from a people who just like Armani worthless

[@ronniep9272]

@@kaas228 I was 18 years old when I bought it and it impressed my fellow 18 year old friends at university. I'm sure things have changed in the last 20 years due to social media but no 18 year old back then had heard of any luxury watch brand apart from Rolex. So an Armani was considered impressive.

[@vooligan9499]

Watches tell the time, the true "fashion" watches are the ones that cost more than £100-£200 and have people showing off their "real quality watch" The watches referred to as "fashion watches" are often just a nice looking timepiece and are usually shown off as a fashion statement less than a "proper watch" Ultimately it's all nonsense, so just wear what you like the look of on your wrist, you're not suddenly going to be minutes/hours/days/years ahead because you bought a watch you like that isn't considered a high end watch.

[@vladpotekhin843]

You were wrong about one thing: most of these mid-tier fashion brands (Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger, Hugo Boss, etc) are NOT responsible for the production or even designing their fragrances either. They are designed, produced and sold by big companies like Coty

[@TheTonyspoons]

At least Calvin Klein used to be made by Swatch Group and were half decent, unlike the other fashion brands. Don't know if any new CK watches are being made, or if all the 'Swiss Made' ones floating about are just old stock.

[@marcosdoyter7460]

Yes. Hugo Boss, Lacoste, Tommy Hilfiger are designed and produced by the Movado Group. Movado produces and distributes them. They only have to pay royalties to those companies. Calvin Klein is produced by the Swatch Group.

[@simonr7097]

@@TheTonyspoons I used to own a CK watch a few years ago (a gift) and the quality was appalling. After a year or two the markers came apart! I hope Swatch wasn't responsible for this.

[@Seele2015au]

Vlad, have you heard of a man called Dickson Poon? Apart from being the ex-husband of the movie star Michelle Yeoh and owner of Harvey Nichols, Tommy Hilfiger, S T Dupont, Bertolucci, Charles Jourdan, Christofle, etc, he started out in watches and jewellery, and was the agent for numerous brands of various products in Hong Kong, such as Carrera eyewear, etc. It did not take much convincing for them to want to add watches to their product line, especially when Dickson Poon was going to do all the hard work, and they receive royalty fees. These watches built under Dickson's supervision are actually of high quality, but as you said, the brands on the dial has nothing to contribute to their design and construction.

[@vladpotekhin843]

@@Seele2015au never heard of him. I like luxury eyewear and about 80% of the market belongs to one single company Luxottica which simply pays the brands royalties for using their brand names. They design, produce and distribute the eyewear (they also own the biggest eyewear retail chains in the US), while the brands have nothing to do with the products. They are of descent quality and are made in Italy though. I guess that’s how the market works

[@kevin933]

As someone new the world of watches, having just bought my first ''fashion'' watch, I'm confused as to what other purpose would they serve in 2021? I think we can all agree that it's not practicality, as everyone's smart phone can tell them the time accurately (Even if a better watch can tell it more precisely, there's no earthly situation where it would make a meaningful difference). Is it the appreciation of the gears and mechanisms that make it work? I get that I guess. Even if it's not something I value that highly, I can see how other people would. Is it the fact that some watches are considered investments? That I absolutely get, but it all hinges on the fact that people like watches and assign them that much value, which is my question still unanswered. The way I see it is that it's just basically jewellery for men, which is fine. If it looks good, stays intact and serves it's purpose, than it's good. Deep down I feel like people are pretending that it's something other than that, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. I remain open minded, and can for sure be convinced otherwise if the reasons are good enough.

[@travisdorling2997]

I believe it's refering to fashion companies who decide to sell a watch. rather than wearing watch as a fashionable item. fashion companies who buy cheap watches and provide just their logo and marketing. these watches tend to all have cheaper alternatives that look and perform the same or alternatives where the pay is a little more ethical

[@travisdorling2997]

that being said I haven't finished the vid yet and also don't know shit about watches

[@jimwatchyyc]

I can glance at my watch in an instant…my phone is in my pocket, not on my wrist.

[@kevin933]

@@jimwatchyyc Would you say the 1.5 seconds to do that is worth the hundreds or thousands of dollars in the difference? Or are there any other factors in it for you?

[@AmericanEyeInt]

It's the one of a few pieces of jewellery a man can wear that accents a look. It's like earrings for a woman; they're just rocks that shine stuck through your ear but they can make someone look slightly better.

[@megadead1837]

My experience with non watch enthusiasts is that they find the "normal" watches to conservative and prefer this cheap all over the place designed fashion toy watches.

[@Jorj57]

unfortunately.... traditional watches tend to have this "oh it must be expensive!" kind of stigma that they have since idk.. forever i guess

[@TheBasti05]

To be fair, if you want this minimalist design, most real watch brands wont offer it to you. There were these Casio pieces Ben showed, but Seiko, Orient and so on? The most minimalist stuff they have are dressers which still scream Grandpa compared to the look a MVMT tries to achieve.

[@PeLOmaRgni]

@@TheBasti05 Yeah actually that's a really good point, it's easy to dump on non watch enthusiasts but whether you like it or not, these fashion brands provide an (overpriced) esthetic that you generally can't find in traditional watch brands.

[@Jorj57]

@@tancreddehauteville764 seriously?

[@megadead1837]

@@tancreddehauteville764 another term (and better sounding) for watch geek, watch nerd, watch fan and so on

[@nousername2932]

I used to buy shitty expensive fashion watches and they all just broke within a year or two. I decided to pay a little more for a Citizen EcoDrive and it's great. No battery, heavy, nice looking and it has outlast the others by a few years so far. I also like my gshocks for when I'm out and I know I might scratch it.

[@G1NZOU]

Same first couple of watches I bought were some cheap but funky LED watches from those stores which sell a bunch of gadgets, games and pop culture merch. They were cool but the first one failed not long after the first battery change and the 2nd I bought also failed. Things changed when I got a solar Seiko and it was durable enough to last daily wear and accurate enough to be useful. The collection sort of started a year after getting that Seiko when I experimented with buying a few automatics, now I've rounded it out with a few vintage quartz (king, grand and superior Seiko quartz) and a couple of hand wind soviet watches. I've got to get a Citizen sometime.

[@davidteer80]

well it has a rechargeable battery, commonly referred to as a capacitor.

[@amero3577]

My g shock has been running for 6 years on the same battery, I have no idea how long that thing can last. 6 years?

[@qayyim3299]

@@amero3577 my black casio battery last 10 year. I buy it for 30 dollar.

[@SPEAR05]

Nice profile picture 👍

[@-10]

I think a common mistake (also a bit made in this video) is not mentioning quartz citizen/seiko/orient/pulser enough as a recommendation. I think a lot of non enthusiasts are put off from the downsides of entry level automatics, I'm sure an affordable quartz from a brand with higher standards will excite a lot more people into getting something better and perhaps eventually the hobby. These watches also tend to have a bit more play in the colors etc., whereas most Seiko 5s may look dull to fashion watch consumers.

[@e28forever30]

Fully agreed. Most people are not interested in mechanical watches, but they could be perfectly happy with a decent Japanese quartz watch!

[@ltu42]

Oh, 1000x this! If you need the watch to tell the time, not show off your status, why would you go with a quaint old technology, when the alternative is an order of magnitude cheaper and an order of magnitude more precise?

[@HamzahTheKing]

@Atriya Wadhwani no shit...fr bruhh ?

[@-10]

@1ndomitus Yes, the watch mechanism constantly moves while its in use so parts do wear out eventually. The movement also is protected by oils which eventually will dry out, even when not in use. This causes wear to accumulate quicker. In order to keep a mechnical watch working for a long time, it will have to be 'serviced', this includes correcting the time, checking the movement and re-lubricating it. On how regurarly you are supposed to do this, there are kind of divided opinions. The most common fist rule I hear is every 5 years for watches you really care about. If the watch isn't too special/expensive to you, you may even do it every 7-10 years.

[@-10]

@1ndomitus Generally, you can get a way with a bit longer than 5 year intervals and if you service at a local watchmaker it often is not that expensive.

[@VyomKinght]

My preference is Casio when it comes to watch. I love their G-Shock range.

[@UNSCPILOT]

And G-shocks have a history of being used on the International Space Station, which pleases my Space Nerd side to no end, none of these fashion watches have that history or Iron clad reliability. In that regard it also makes me interested in the Bulova Lunar Pilot since it's based on the "Other Moon Watch" that actually went to the surface of the moon, it's built like a tank, and uses a in house hyper accurate Quartz movement that seems quite fitting even if it's far from the manually wound mechanical from the original. Meanwhile these "fashion watches" are dollar store items with no history or interesting features beyond a flimsy pumped up brand name that outsources everything they do and are glorified marketing companies

[@VyomKinght]

@@UNSCPILOT 😊👍

[@cleverkitsune4302]

Id like them more of they werent so bulky and ugly much prefer their old stainless digital watches

[@polluxtroy69]

@Clever Kitsune I recently bought the Gshock GA 2100 (full black one) was £80. Really slim design compared to their usual watches. Looks great too!

[@VyomKinght]

@@polluxtroy69 good choice my friend.

[@hillogical]

As soon as I got to my unit, my first Army paycheck went to a stupid looking Fossil watch I thought was cool. I still own it, but I doubt I'll ever wear it. It serves as a reminder that I wasn't always smart with my money.

[@hillogical]

@Cobra Kai no. got out in 06. I'd retire this year had I stayed in. God, I'm getting old.

[@hillogical]

@Sony Aja I'll look for it

[@kennedymcgovern5413]

This guy chose the Army, when the Navy was right down the hall. He chose a Fossil watch. Bro, I don't even want to know what your woman looks like!

[@desertsoldier41]

I was even dumber with my money, I went out and bought an Omega Seamster 300m 2541.80 in 2001 for at the time was a crazy sum of $1400. Well maybe not too dumb, I still have it and still wear it the most. It went through five deployments and several countries. All because my favorite game was Goldeneye.

[@133774c05]

@@desertsoldier41 dude you won at life lol

[@jonjackson8811]

Both the Tommy and the Armani look great IMO, I love the design on both. I'd rather wear one of those than a Timex.

[@ivoshandor6859]

Shows how much you know.

[@Mr850man]

"please don't get offended if I feature your watch, if you enjoy paying for an overpriced piece of crap to flaunt money you don't have then go ahead"

[@TheDeathmail]

Hey, that's not fair; most people know nothing about watches... as stated in the video, most people believe they are getting their money's worth with the crappy stuff cause they don't know sh*t about watches...

[@davidteer80]

@@TheDeathmail it is called the school of hard knocks.

[@TiJayFLY]

I had a D&G watch as an 18yo student for exactly that reason ;) I feel like it was acceptable at the time... but as a grown man, I buy Casio/Seiko/Omega.

[@prettysoIdier]

“Don’t be offended if you own one of these watches.” Excellent.

[@Steven_M.]

The close up when you said “trust me” had serial killer in a van written all over 😁

[@nagylevi3827]

I caught a 40$ pre-Chinese era Sturhling a few years back that's still amazing today. Great shell, elegant design, perfect time keeping. In short, not all fashion watches disappoint.

[@gsfcdy]

I'm more shocked he even bothered to wear gloves lol

[@nomadben]

@@markgrieves1307 Gave me a good chuckle, Mark.

[@jamesjenkins6457]

@@markgrieves1307 same here mate. Deffo chucked at that one, well played Mark 😂😂

[@5stardave]

I wouldn't want to touch those watches with my bare hands either. I would have used surgical gloves.

[@markl4798]

Really depends on the buyer and how well they take care of their watches. Many people claim poor quality but also treat their watches like crap. I buy fashion watches when they are on clearance; mainly to match my outfits, and they work perfectly well for me. I also have a separate collection where I buy slightly more expensive brands like Tissot and Liv for their quality. But hey, at the end of the day, most people don’t even notice what you’re wearing anyway. Facts.

[@syndicatedsatellite7288]

Fashion watches are alright, it's just the inflated prices they're asking for them... If they charged what they're really worth, there wouldn't be a problem... If the watch is worth $5 bucks, just pay $5 bucks for it, not $160.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@tancreddehauteville764 That is nonsense. I was able to get get the Miyota-3-handers as a private customer for under 2€ and a 10-pack of batteries for another 2€. If you are a business and buy 1000 plus there's a high chance it will fall under 1 USD for the combination. Strap won't be worth more than 1 USD either if they are as poor as on that one in the video, flat mineral glass bought in bulk is most likely in the 20-30 cent range. While I don't have numbers on the cases those are most likely not very expensive either. If he's talking about British pounds 5 (=7 USD) for the whole thing is actually pretty realistic.

[@seybertooth9282]

@@tancreddehauteville764 Oh dear, I suppose someone has blown a lot of money on fashion watches and is triggered eh? Yeah, I'd feel like an idiot too if I had bought a friggin DW.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@tancreddehauteville764 My point was that your calculations were complete bullshit. And I don't have to start a watch company, you can already get generic ones for 20-30 bucks on AliExpress. If you actually listened, Ben commissioned two "Spaghetti Scametti" ones for his parody video already.

[@userbrytje008]

@@tancreddehauteville764 if you say this kind of things about a Hugo Boss or a Hilfiger watch, you have never owned a real watch.

[@userbrytje008]

@@tancreddehauteville764 lol glad you had a great day

[@mirvang]

I almost bought a Fossil watch aa my first watch online, but i decided to look at the watches firsthand, and i see that they're not kooking as good as i expected. I ended up buying a $40 casio and never regretted it. The thing about watches in traditional watch brands like Seiko or Casio, they tend to look better when you look at the watches by yourself, compared to the pictures that they own marketing created. Maybe you can interpret it as their marketing is not as good as those fashion watch brands.

[@markiangooley]

Citizen is another brand that markets badly.

[@randomdude7345]

Fossills are actually well made and good looking. Edit: well maybe there is some misaligment, but its ok for the price.

[@nathanchang7713]

@J.M’sTechWorld I like fossil because of the design but I agree Casio & Seiko are definitely better quality but their designs don't appeal to me as much as a Fossil

[@tsukai1276]

Wait, whats wrong with Fossil watches? Fossil have long history in watch industry. I have Fossil watch which i bought 12y ago and im only changing the batteries. Get your facts dude than post stupid comments.

[@arifazman5057]

Just owned a fossil watch last year, not even 1 year of using its internally broken

[@Alexfromforset]

As I understand, absolute majority of houses also license their perfume to third parties.

[@seybertooth9282]

That's correct, in fact, pretty much everyone apart from the few that has had a perfume house operation for decades. In fairness though, that is not always a bad thing as some of the "third parties" they license their fragrances to are very competent perfume producers. Unlike, you know, drop shipped Ali E watches.

[@NoahThiru]

Can confirm, have a friend who's working for top top fashion brand. But a comfort is, their third party partner is known for high quality perfumes. Just that you are paying wayyyyy over the odds.

[@mihacar2615]

That's correct. But the thing is is, they license it to high quality perfume producers such as Coty or L'Oreal. I think Chanel is actually the only inhouse perfume brand (talkin about mass brands like Boss, Armani, Givenchy...)

[@KKinterlude]

@@mihacar2615 dior and hermes aswell

[@mihacar2615]

@@KKinterlude That's correct. Although, Dior as a brand is part of LVMH group, but they do make their own perfumes. And you are also right for Hermes.

[@tylerbeaumont]

I have a Calvin Klein watch that I picked up for around £80, and it’s genuinely quite good. It looks good and keeps time almost perfectly, and it’s built really well for the money. The strap it came with was a pretty fiddly chain-link which I replaced quite quickly with a leather one, but apart from that it’s great. It’s become my go to work watch, and it’s great for that. Means I don’t have to look at my phone whilst behind the bar, and it’s quite water resistant too so I’m not too worried about getting it a bit wet during a shift. But yeah, most of these watches are often quite poor for the price. If you know what you’re getting though and actually look at the watch before buying, then you can get a pretty decent timepiece out of some of these brands.

[@vojtizslav]

Looks like you definitelly know what youre talking about here. "Its quite water resistant" LMAOOOO

[@TheGrandmaMoses]

@@vojtizslav Stop the snobbery. Educate, don't hate. Most people realize how badly their 100 buck fashion watch has been built when they touch the first Tissot or Seiko entry level automatic offers and are allowed to compare. Funnily, it's not about 'keeping good time' when talking about a watch's build quality. A one dollar quartz watch from Walmart keeps better time than even the most sophisticated Rolex can. My advice to the OP: If you like your watch - fine, don't let anybody talk you down. But if you want to see and feel the difference in quality to good models of the price range, go to a real jeweler and try some on. The weight alone makes such massive difference in the perception of quality of a watch, it's amazing.

[@anuragkhosla]

I own everything from Longines (Swiss automatic) to Tissot (a quartz one) to Japanese automatics and quartz watches too (Seikos and Casios). Alongside, I also own many low-end quartz watches (Lorus, Sekonda, Timex etc.) and many fashion quartz watches (Esprit, Kenneth Cole, fossil, and more). I think not all watches in all of the above categories are good and at the same time, not all are bad (meaning some Armani exchange or Tommy watches will be good - one should have the know-how before picking). It all depends on your taste and what works for you. For example, i know some people find the Seiko entry-level automatic watch shown in this video absolutely garbage and for that reason, they like the higher-priced Presage etc. A lot of entry-level watches (sub £100 or so) by hardcore watch companies are boring and will not appeal to a large chunk of buyers. Personally, i pick everything from £15 to £1500, it has to appeal to me and I should feel absolutely amazing when I'm wearing each of those pieces i own. Nothing else matters!

[@ForneverstarOfficial]

​@@TheGrandmaMosesagreed but sometimes you just run into one of you like lol, I have a couple seikos, a old vintage submariner, a Tissot 1853, but my watch I find myself wearing everyday is a watch I bought at guess lol, I know its not as nice as my others but it looks great, I can swim In it and has been proven durable for work, I arguably could have gotten a cheaper quartz so price point is bad but the watch just feels good. Hell I had a old Casio diver I'd beat up and not have to worry constantly about the watch. These watches have purpose

[@TheGrandmaMoses]

@@ForneverstarOfficial I think that's the essence of what I tried to say. Wear what you want, wear for purpose, stop the snobbery and at the end of the day, don't take a silly little thing like watches too seriously. Their purpose should be to make you happy, not anyone else.

[@herewegoagain...]

I still want to get my hands on a Scammetti

[@alexandrupara4574]

Same

[@FourIntoOne]

Dam right. Very rare beast indeed, only 2 known to be in existence. Must be priceless!

[@bunberrier]

Ditto.

[@Justme0495]

I heard their special coated alloy cases are the reason for their rarity. You just don't find many artisans out there anymore...

[@charlesmostert]

I've been searching the internet for months now and I just can't get my hands on the Spaghetti Schemeti watches. It's true that he has definitely cut out the middle man. It's my grail watch currently. I even visited a Rolex /Omega AD and they couldn't help me. Please let me know if anyone knows how to get on the waiting list for one of those beautiful watches?

[@panzerkami2381]

This isn't hard to figure out, guess why you find most fashion watches at 70-80% off at most Amazon Prime Days while you will NEVER find a Seiko at more than 10% off.

[@andrewd7586]

Jomashop.😎👍🏼

[@YaYousef5]

Not true, haha. 9:45 there's a screenshot showing a Seiko for 60% off.

[@ElGuardianDelTiempo]

I only own one Armani, from the 90s, a present from my mother (she did not ask before). I kind of like that watch and if I look at similar watches today, there is a huge difference in regards to quality. It feels heavy, well done. I just think that in the last years this kind of fashion watches have deteriorated a lot and I would never buy one, but I will keep my Armani always in my collection. At the end of the day we develop feelings for those little timepieces, and they name they have on the dial does not matter much. I like the way you develop the video, great script man! congratulations.

[@fizzamalik-je5nl]

Is armani exchange really good for watches ? Plz do tell me

[@Mario_N64]

​@@fizzamalik-je5nlThey're not that good. 90s Armani watches were high quality and expensive.

[@drfathertime]

Here's the thing tho, scametti will double the value in resale, with very conservative estimate!

[@chrisburn7178]

This is the video that me as a non-watch guy still had a feeling about. The quality of a basic Seiko, Tissot or Citizen is just apparent immediately, in the crisp edges, quality metals and faces, compared to the nasty glitz of fashion brands.

[@ThOmAsSs4563q]

Same for me only I fell into the trap of buying an armani watch I realised it looked good but rlly it's a bit crap so I bought a seiko lol

[@twyx6928]

0:06 I love how the Casio DW5600BB just casually slides into view, effortlessly nuking every fashion watch from orbit quality-wise.

[@DK-jd8bj]

I've been wearing a DW 5600 HR with a modified positive display for the last year. It's perfect. The negative display was too hard to read but I really liked the case (All the words aren't as distracting) and band.

[@twyx6928]

@@DK-jd8bj How did you mod the display to positive?

[@thomaswarren2699]

All watches bow down and cower in fear of the mighty G-Shock! I've had mine for about ten years now- a few years ago I threw it off a building and then drove over it in my car because a friend didn't believe me when I told him they're pretty much indestructible. It's still on my wrist, still keeping time, and still using the original battery. The doubting friend now has one too.

[@DK-jd8bj]

I wore one for 20 years. Then I decided I needed to upgrade and got into automatics. Spent lots of money. Now I'm back to my G-Shock. It's true a lot of them are oversized especially if you have a small wrist. I wear a DW-5600HR(modified with a positive display). One of the smaller G shocks. It just works, I never take it off.

[@hnnnnnnnnnng]

So glad the first real watch I bought myself was a gshock. I never take it off.

[@visualstudiosproductions]

Not gonna dispute quality, but that's a very very ugly watch. It all depends on what you are looking for, I guess. For me a watch is mostly a fashion accessory, there are far better tools to tell time nowadays.

[@seanferguson5460]

This is why I watch your channel. I don't give a fig for brands and extravagant consumption is for suckers. I want simple, elegant, attractive, accurate, affordable watches.

[@adrianmark613]

Go for casio

[@seanferguson5460]

@@adrianmark613 I love Casio!

[@SpecterNeverSpectator]

Dont go for Casio, just buy a cheap Chinese brand, I mean it sounds like it's what you want, it's what I have.

[@Halb_Wert_Zeit]

"These watches suck" - "there's affiliate links below" 😂

[@kleanovodust-bin69]

The scammeti watches are better than these fashion watches. Even better than Rolex! Even my great grandfather who passed away in the '70s complimented it!!

[@36424567254]

they are literally better designed that the fashion watches he showed though, irony aside. If I had to buy a fashion watch between those shown, for some reason, I'd buy that.

[@urielalbertosanchezm]

No saben lo decepcionado que me sentí cuando un sobrino llegó con "fashion watch" diciendo que por fin había ahorrado para comprarse un reloj "bueno", cuando con ese dinero se podr;ia haber comprado un buen Seiko o un hermoso Orient

[@prorace_type_r]

I agree although I don't think you can say that Seikos (which I love) look "nicer" cause precisely fashion watches appeal to a lot of people's taste. And some of them actually look pretty good. For example, I don't like oversized watches but it is clear that a lot of people actually do. And probably in 20 years or so the taste will change.

[@igorchistyakov8876]

Now. It took me quite some time to realise: I would unironically buy Spaghetti Scameti watch as your merch, if you slap international shipping on top of timeless design and craftsmanship. Well, depending on your desired fraction of a cost of course. :) Like, Amazon is basically nonexistent where I live, but I would still like to support the channel, so think about it, Ben. P. S. I know about Patreon, I hope you get what I mean. I myself am yet to improve my finances enough, so that my salary won't fully go into food and medication, but you might have viewers with better situation and similar mindset.

[@arkodas1283]

Hey Ben, please make a video about what this oil filling inside watches is all about. Thanks for your hardwork. ❤️

[@Spyyyder1]

An oil filled watch if readable at almost any degree with no glare underwater. A lot of dive watches are oil-filled , but it only works with quartz movements

[@mwhodatboi]

it is for emergency lube

[@thereyougoagain1280]

It also allows for more water resistance, if the case can handle it.

[@MichaelandCathy1999]

You can also use “Blinker Fluid” if you’re really stuck.

[@AtheistOrphan]

@@Spyyyder1 - Ressence Watches would like to disagree with you. Check out their (100% mechanical) oil-filled watches.

[@deanobeany]

I've had a fossil chronograph for almost a decade now, I brought it because I loved it aesthetically and rarely treated myself. I still have it. Still love it, don't regret buying it in the slightest. Some of you horologists need to take a breath and relax. Any non watch fans reading this: if you like it and can afford it, buy it.

[@KiriloB]

Fossil sucks.

[@danc1660]

“The hands look circumcised” I actually died XD

[@mandylorien314]

Impressed that you managed to make a post as you take your last breath.

[@litamtondy]

It's so wierd seeing a top-of-the-world fashion name like Armani on a cheap watch.

[@destinilund4771]

It's not 90s anymore. They haven't been on top for decades.

[@jimsound7888]

A friend of mine asked me why I'm wearing a fake rolex...........I said " I'm not, I'm wearing a genuine Invicta Pro Diver"

[@jrgdrumsandwatches]

Happened to me wearing a Steinhart Ocean 39. People don't get that it's not a fake unless it has the faked brand/logo on it.

[@Gave-rf1hr]

Damn , that must double suck .....first someone thinking is a fake rolex and then to realize its an invicta .

[@DK-jd8bj]

That's one watch they make really well. I have 2 and they're great watches. No one in their right mind would wear a Rolex. It's like putting a mug me, "I have $20,000+ and I didn't know what to do with it" sign around your neck.

[@PaulV.]

Although I am completely agreeing with you about fashion watches in general I want to share a personal story. About 20 years ago I ve got a present - Gucci watch, model 3600M. It has a pretty cool distinctive look you can see that its Gucci from a mile away (someone who is interested can google it) and has the Swiss Made logo and S/N on the back. The watch feels like a real thing when you put it on your wrist too. I rarely wear that watch having much better ones in my collection but keep changing a battery once every several years and after all that time it runs perfectly (never needed to adjust time there). But yes the price of that Gucci was $1000 even in those times so its kind of like a different tier fashion watch.

[@josephtheboi_2410]

As long as it tells time, buy whatever you want.

[@theeverydaywatchcollector8036]

Another great video of valid critique and humourous touches! I personally think fashion watches have their place in drawing in the inexperienced collector. But once they actually start to think critically, they of course realize how many better alternatives there are on the market (myself included!)

[@ssbidyadhar]

Hahaha, I'm experiencing this same chain of thoughts. Right now, I'm at 'fashion watches have their positives, but if we're willing to go beyond a certain price, it's much better to try actual watchmakers'.

[@EyewitnessHistoryChannel]

There's a barrier to entry and that's the price point of higher end timepieces. That can't really be denied. I'm glad fashion watches provide a budget alternative and a potential gateway as you say. If people want to splash the cash later that's their prerogative.

[@FeralKobold]

If you want a nice watch it's always better to save and get something that's actually nice. I have a seiko presage cocktail that was ~$500 and I love it to death. Sometimes I like to take it off and just watch the movement because it has a clear back. And it's something that will actually retain most of its value and is a great starter piece to a real watch collection

[@arisaga822]

I saved up for a little over two years, resisted every temptation that came along and bought my personal “grail watch” - an Omega Seamaster chronograph. Wearing it is a joy. Deferred gratification is so much satisfying than the instant variant.

[@xxArsen1xx-OnPsn]

Ive noticed thats shared by every "gentlemanly" hobby, delayed gratification for the the long sought vintage, the grail edition, the unobtanium last piece to complete a collection- those "finer things" all seem to be about zooming out and planning further ahead than the impulsive child. If only i could keep this in mind with my trading account open 😂

[@EyewitnessHistoryChannel]

That's great, man. But it's thousands of dollars/pounds. Lord knows the profit margin on that. It's a stunning watch, yes, but depends if somebody can personally justify spending that kind of money.

[@arisaga822]

@@EyewitnessHistoryChannel I understand what you mean, which is why I saved only the most discretionary of my income. Cheers.

[@FroschBube]

My first watch I bought was a Hugo Boss Pilot's Edition. I really enjoyed wearing it, but looking back, I could've gotten something better for 200 €.

[@FroschBube]

@@tancreddehauteville764 Seiko, Orient, Quartz Tissot / Certina / Hamilton, Citizen, etc.

[@tobysmith1508]

i got a tommy hilfiger watch for my 15th bday from my nan and dad, wasn’t into watches then but knew about tommy. the watch still works and knowing more about watches now, it’s not good but it’s the watch that has most sentimental value to me

[@muthulakshmimuthiah4804]

Just change the good machine and restore it

[@stevec5465]

You can buy watches from China. Pay them to put your logo on it and Voila! You sir will have become a fashion watch seller! Just like a lot of these kickstarter brands.

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

6:42 well I never thought I’d heard that said about a watch 😄

[@Sheeshening]

I think the Armani looks actually really good. You could easily spend 1k$ on a watch and get run of the mill hour markings used by like 30 different brands

[@rtsbeyond]

I’ll never forget 2020 when the crown on my new 2-month-old Armitron watch snapped off when I pulled it as necessary for timekeeping adjustments. After that I upgraded to Casios and G-SHOCKs. They’re the best but I do still have 3 old discontinued Armitron sport watches as they were my personal gateway into watches in the first place. Got rid of the broken watch, also now discontinued. Armitron tends to do that..

[@muthulakshmimuthiah4804]

However metal is metal and G Shock is plastic

[@sanguinor5609]

I remember browsing a local buy and sell group to find a bloke trying to offset some buyer remorse by selling his quartz watch for $1500 (AUD) with the justification that it’s Gucci so it must be good.

[@SaeedDaakeek]

If you want to buy a watch take this guy with you, he will take you away from fashion garbage. Learning a lot from this video.

[@michaelanthony5441]

Very good review amazing the market up on some of these watches, unfortunately I was one of those who had bought a fashion watch or two in the past. Over time I have realized thanks to these channels the amount people are spending on these overrated watches which is disturbing. Most of my watches are now mostly of Casio and Seiko especially when it comes to value for the buck. Thanks Ben

[@SuborbitalSays]

I mean if folks are buying watches for the aesthetic/brand none of this really matters. Are some watches objectively crafted better? Sure. But if folks are buying a watch to go well with an outfit, and not to admire its complexity or craftsmanship then whether you can get a better built watch at a similar price range doesn't matter. That Seiko may be better built, but if it's not a design I like I'm not going to buy it. Your idea of value from a watch seems to be built around the complexity of the movement, and build materials while comparing them to really top tier stuff. Most folks will never own a Rolex or frankly, any watch over $500 to know the difference. If I'm shopping for tasty chocolate milk and a milk expert says "oh there is so much better, fresher milk out there than Nesquik if you just buy it straight from the cow", while yes they are correct that would be a fresher product that's not actually what I'm after. Sort of fell into the Watch KZbin rabbit hole as a non-watch guy and it's been a pretty pretentious ride.

[@gonzalomcordovez]

You are awesome man. Thanks for making clear that on those brands you are just paying to have the name on the dial

[@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e]

I've had some (only two actually) Kenneth Cole automatics that I've really enjoyed, and they've always gotten compliments.

[@ryant2568]

I own an Apple watch myself as my daily and I have a quartz watch in the draw that used to be daily but I see these as "throwaway" pieces of technology, unlike my beautiful mechanical turbillion watch which I see more like a piece of art that I can wear.

[@osrsw6450]

If you're gonna pretend to own a watch with a tourbillon movement, atleast make sure you know how to spell it.

[@ryant2568]

@@osrsw6450 I didn't say I owned one although I would love to. Apparently there are some decent Chinese tourbillons on the market now. And yes I made a typo.....so sue me.

[@dionysiosoikonomou4045]

If you want a good looking quality watch you need to spend a serious amount of money that many people can't afford . Personally I get more compliments when wearing a Tommy Hilfiger rather than a respectable brand such as seiko . As long as you are happy with your watch , there is no reason to wonder if it's a respectable brand or not .🤙🏻

[@BensWatchClub]

Debunked that theory at the end of the video. But yes, you're correct - people can wear what they want if it makes them happy 👍

[@nissan_6828]

@@BensWatchClub brother, if I’m going outside with a brand new armani watch, people are like yo that’s a nice armani watch. But if I go out with a seiko they are like what’s this? Nobody these days is a watch nerd man

[@11East]

@@nissan_6828 depends on the company you keep.

[@Mikey-ym6ok]

People don’t buy watches from brands like these because they want a good time piece. It’s brand. Image.

[@user-ik5mn8qv5z]

those fahion watches had indeed good build quality back in the days imo. The cheap, "profit in mind" kind of approach is something that begun recently. I change batteries on all types of watches and ive seen "good quality fashin brands" from CK, MK, GUCCI, etc and some of them have quite good build quality actually.

[@tee_m]

May I say that the last Accurist that I picked up is really quite decent (model 7219). It's a quartz, sure, but it's solidly built, has sapphire crystal and a decent bracelet. Great alternative to something like this. Think many people are put off by autos for one reason or another but there's plenty of decent quartz options.

[@diogeneslantern18]

An automatic movement should be a point of appeal 😭

[@notincognito4660]

Casio G-Shock. Have mine for 8 years now. My parents bought it for me after my 10th standard. Still use it daily to this day.

[@stevenbollinger9776]

"Most watches suck." Nothing like getting right to the point. Well done!

[@TheSFMCreators]

'Hands that are circumcised' the banter in this one is top notch

[@jclee2495]

Alright man, I'm gonna say it. I bought the Orient SK Diver Retro, and literally everyone who has seen my watch collection loves it. I don't understand all the hate lmaooo. It's cool! It's not ugly! Yeah I wish it was more than 50mWR too, but I don't need that on it anyways.

[@bookofmillions]

Orient IS s brand. They make their own watches which is respectable 👍

[@rrdonovan1]

Bah! I had a beautiful little Orient automatic, but my wife took it away from me. Damn, gonna have to get another one...

[@rrdonovan1]

@@silverghost4206 Whoa! Hard core bra...

[@Richard-ts6mg]

I bought a fashion watch by Police about 20 years ago and it's still going strong.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Hey Ben, small critique: I don't think that a Seiko 5 should be the first thing you recommend instead of a fashion watch, there's actually A LOT of people out there who really don't want to bother with mechanical watches (or rather buy them and then realize it won't be as accurate and stops after two days and regret it). I'd always suggest an Edifice or something like that first.

[@e28forever30]

Good suggestion. A Casio will do fine for most people, and they are tough as nails.

[@surfside75]

Go with Citizen if one can't bring himself to shake a Seiko5 for 10seconds and then set the time. I'm always able to do this in under 30seconds and still have time for a proper wipe down. Just say no to dead batteries✔️🤣

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@surfside75 Autos are also thicker and heavier. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean... you can guess the rest.

[@surfside75]

Strange.. my seiko5s are no thicker then the dumb fashion watches I threw away. But hey if you like batteries and a second hand that don't hit there markers (except for Citizen eco-drive👍) that's cool, Rock on🤙

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@surfside75 How do you even manage to behave like a clueless snobbish prick while wearing a humble Seiko 5.

[@notyourbusinesshabibi]

I’ve had my Emporio Armani watch for 6+ years. I changed the battery once in 2019 I think. I only wear it because it’s sentimental. I love it!

[@nikolaidiqnov6801]

Well actually, some fashion watches are not that bad. Speaking from personal experience. I love the Calvin Klein watches and own a few. The oldest one is probably 5 years old and never had any problem. I think the internals are made by Swatch which is pretty good in my book. It all depends on what you are looking after. Keep up the good work making those vids.

[@OffGridInvestor]

Must admit, i liked the guillochet pattern on the dial of the armani because I go for that on any watch.

[@cosmic-tiger]

The Calvin Klein watches often say they’re Swiss Made so I’ve always assumed they were pretty well made. And for me a lot of the Japanese watches under £200 look a bit uninspiring even if they’re well manufactured for the price. So, I think it’s a case by case thing unless you’re spending big money.

[@justinburt3090]

Calvin Klein watches are made by the Swatch group so I suspect they’re reasonably well executed. Personally I would much prefer something from Swatch, Tissot or Hamilton (all lower end Swatch group brands) but buy and wear what you enjoy at the end of the day 👍

[@crisryan1550]

I have Stuhrling Original watch and 5 years counting. No problem at all.

[@ChromeMan04]

Just because it Swiss made doesn’t automatically mean it’s good

[@vandalg282]

Citizen, Seiko, and the god tier Casio.....really all you should be dabbling in, if you want something cheap but nice.....certain Invicta's are lovely too, but I use those for more of the extravagance and went I want to be loud. Business? Seiko and Citizen.

[@Cowmookaze]

Can’t go wrong with a Vostok :-] though I reckon the one brand that may give Vostok a run for its money is S.Scameti

[@henryviiifake8244]

Spaghetti Scammeti pieces are harder to get hold of than a blunt in Buckingham Palace. Now _that's_ what I call exclusivity! 😌

[@chubs41]

While I agree that most fashion watches suck, I could say the same of many swiss watches. Most low end (sub 1000$) swiss watches use a standard, run of the mill ETA movement and pathetic leather straps (Frederique Constant, Raymond Weil, Breitling) that shouldn't be even on a fashion watch. Heck, even the steel bracelets on entry level models (for e.g. the Tag Heuer Formula 1s) of swiss watches suck. Then, they have the audacity to increase prices each year and without adding any actual value to the product. Omega for one is an example of a brand with a lot of respect and was priced within reach of most folks as a luxury purchase a few years back but recent price hikes by the greedy bean counters at Swatch are putting most people off. These so called luxury swiss watches are also mass produced (For e.g. Oris has over 50 variants of their Aquis, I've lost count of the Speedmasters and Seamasters that Omega has released in recent years) so you aren't getting anything exclusive. You aren't also getting your money's worth in most cases.

[@casualsuede]

Most people don't care for automatic watches. They'd rather have the convenience of a quartz which is a set it and forget it (until the battery wears out). They buy these watches because it gives them something a Seiko or a citizen cannot, a fashionable watch that meets their style. As long as it keeps the time, they don't give a crap what movement is inside. Yes I own two fashion watches, a $40 skagen and a $19 nixon. Interestingly, i get more attention from my nixon than I ever got from my seiko's or my citizen watches, which cost much more, especially from women and I think that's the point. And my girlfriend continues to swipe my nixon to the point that I think it really belongs to her.

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

I just literally (an hour ago) bought a £40 Lorus chronograph. Lorus is one of those trusted watch brands. They've been going for 39 years. Helps that they're a Seiko brand. I didn't buy it as a brand statement though. I bought it for smart functionality. And it does look bloody smart.

[@ernodios]

I bought a Boss watch in an outlet yesterday. It was originally going for 450€, but I got it for 134. Still had all the plastics on it like a brand new piece, but the buckle was already broken, so I can't wear it til I get it fixed. The watch works fine though, and of course it looks fantastic and feels solid. Fashion brands capitalise on their logos but they also have a reputation to live up to. For 120 retail you can expect it to be the lowest entry level quality, but for 450 it is a different story. Edit: I got the buckle fixed for 5€

[@EyewitnessHistoryChannel]

Yeah that's a great point. There's a brand that's known and respected in other areas that has a reputation to uphold across the board. So generally they're going to pull their weight.

[@romelwatkins124]

I bought a casio on your suggestion...and I'm not disappointed

[@BongoManal]

Love the video.Shortly after having problems with what can only be described as censorship imposed on you by some butthurt watch companies you get out such enlighting and honest content. Kudos to your cojones - great honesty without ever getting rude oder insulting is rare these days. There is a reason why your channel is so beloved. Thank you very much! (Sorry for the bad English)

[@raykay91]

Hello (sorry for bad English)

[@yobgol]

i’ve seen one video talking about copyright infringement issues that have hit watch channels recently. this would be a very clear + long-existing legal issue about trademarks, use of terms that are registered and protected by law … resulting in connection of a cheap / quartz look-a-like to an item at a much higher quality + price point sold by what’s likely a very wealthy and powerful company. this is not censorship, this is consequence. it’s naivety. it’s lack of thought. it’s a shame work was lost, but i think the cheap end of the market could learn from buying less and learning more, then accepting limitations on finance and not settling for crap. expensive watches can be vastly overpriced, but they’re also widely underestimated for the work involved - big brands have models that earn a greater % profit and others than don’t make that much but increase appeal, there’s always a mix. vintage offers some surprising drops in price on names you’d associate with haute or high end part of the market; bulgari, glaschutte, girrard perregaux, JLC, IWC and probably some others are great makers that can be found at a price that’s not OTT compared to the upper edges of the cheaper end before you leap towards a rolex date just.

[@efrainlagunas]

I do get the criticism of fashion watches and definitely agree to look for alternatives. It's unfortunate that most youtubers suggest... well crappy looking watches. Watch enthusiast will die on their brand but we casuals just want a good looking watch. You can give me an extreme high-quality watch but if I think it looks generic or bland, I'll be picking up the fashion watch. No one, apart from watch enthusiast, looks very closely at my watch. They take a quick gander and move on from looking at the watch for more than a second, even if they are still talking about watches with me. That said, FOR CASUALS LIKE MYSELF, HERE ARE THE TOP 3 ALTERNATIVE BRANDS THAT I LOOK AT FOR A NEW WATCH: Orient Timex Casio Seiko doesn't cut my list because I've only seen 1 or 2 watches that I like from them that are in the AFFORDABLE range, under $150. Those 3 have done me good in great watch designs, being affordable, and quality that 'most' watch youtubers would agree are good for their money. Personally, Casio is my fav of the three. They have the best designs for the price. I bought myself a Timex Chronograph 3 years or so ago and I don't regret it, but had I seen the Casio line-up back then, I'd probably buy those instead, and they'd have been cheaper too. So do yourself a favor, hop on Amazon, search Casio watches, and enjoy the browsing because you'd be flooded with AMAZING affordable watches that are literally half, to a third, of the price of most janky fashion watches.

[@johnpersonage7220]

I'm quite fussy about watches and find it incredibly difficult to find watches I like. My preferences aren't exactly that bizarre either. 1) I like an automatic and I'm not bothered about hacking. Let's be honest, if you set an auto exactly one day, the next day it will be out by a few seconds anyway so I personally don't need hacking. 2) Black or dark blue face with Arabic numerals in white with white hands. 3) Day and date. 4) Stainless strap. 5) No bezels or tachymeters. 6) Minimal logos and text on the face. You would think those would be easy criteria to fill but they're a rare combination. Watches will either have just date or no stainless strap or non-Arabic numerals or something else which will disinterest me. The Seiko SNZG13 is the only watch I've found that I really like.

[@DasDieDerErik]

up until the logo-part, Orient would have quite some models that'd suit your taste I think

[@stevefox8605]

Hamilton worth a look 😉

[@papasilverhand]

True analysis but the sad thing about the watch market is that in a developing nation like India even a Seiko costs a fortune for the average salaried man.

[@tupolewposting2733]

If you want a good cheap watch, you can't go wrong with Casio. India also has an awesome budget domestic brand - Titan

[@Undecided_]

I think I had a Seiko sub brand automatic watch. I thought it was so cool, generating its own electricity, and I’m sure it was only around $100 bucks. Had it for years and still works. I bought into that MVMT hype before I learned what dropshipping was, and my god, I’ve had better spongebob watches than that. And since fashion watches are so popular now, a $300 Seiko 5 is honestly passable as a “Rolex” since the massive difference between a Seiko and a Rolex is somehow minuscule compared to the difference between a Seiko and a MVMT

[@OffGridInvestor]

I saw a MVMT watch for the first time in a department store. Honestly, I have bought better watches for US$7 off ebay with free shipping.

[@ianmedium]

I’m not a fan of anything fashion generally as to me it means buying a shirt that costs €30 but with an emblem attached suddenly is worth another hundred. Having said that I will say some of the Swiss made Calvin Kleins I have held do feel better made. But is not just fashion brands that cheap out. I have owned both a Marathon and Mondaine. Both fitted with the cheapest nastiest “Swiss parts” Ronda 1jewel quartz that in both was so badly made that when setting the watch and pushing in the crown the minute hands jumps almost a minute back or forward.

[@sheilastallard]

My hubby as a "Swatch" watch, I hope its above these. xx Stay Safe!

[@SirThorney]

Swatch watches themselves are a bit divisive, but the overall company owns some of the most prestigious luxury watch brands

[@justinsaunders4068]

Swatch are in fact an umbrella company that own many highly respected swiss brands. The fact is if not for Swatch we would have lost many historically important brands back when quartz movements hit the scene. Even though many of their watches are made from plastic they don't hide that fact and their quartz movements are very accurate indeed, they also have a System 51 range with mechanical movements inside the same kind of designs which are fantastic "entry level" affordable mechanical movements. Most watch collectors will never turn their nose up at someone wearing a Swatch.

[@mahmam3128]

Ayee you know hambini?

[@NotThatOneThisOne]

Swatches are great. Pretty much invented fashion watches, and still do them really well. Can't really go wrong with them, as long as you like the design.

[@AymanTravelTransport]

@@justinsaunders4068 for those that still want the sophisticated stainless steel look, the Swatch Irony range is the way to go if you want something both Swiss and sub-£200

[@justifano7046]

There's this watch store by me called watch station Everything is always like 75%+ off. Got a nice looking Armani watch for $40. Looks fancy. And is a good everyday beater watch I can wear until it falls apart

[@spexyPOV]

Hey Ben, big fan from India. Would you like to review some Indian company watches like Titan and FastTrack. Thankyou

[@kostinarain7373]

I own an Armani LOL and I agree with you on most points. The difference is, in India a Seiko costs 3-4 times as much

[@campshay19]

remember folks a big shiny watch doesn't mean it's good

[@donaldasayers]

There is a posh jewellers in town that also sells some of these brands. You can tell which watches they are because they don't bother taking them out of the window in the evening.

[@els236]

I have spent the last several days looking at watches as my SmartWatch is seriously in need of replacement and I have seen so many videos bashing on "fashion brands". but when I go to something like Seiko's site, where's the budget stuff? I have to look through every "collection" and even then I can barely find anything under £1k and the ones that are £100-300 (if you can find them) are just ugly and have tag lines like "1960s fashion revitalised". I don't want 60s fashion I want 2020s fashion lol. Also what's the difference between Hugo Boss having a 5000% margin on a watch and a Rolex, or Richard Mille or any "haute couture" brand? I highly doubt a Rolex costs £15k to make with only a 10% margin. Yes, the build quality and materials will be far better, but I could buy 100 Armani watches for the same price as a basic Rolex, or 10 for the price of a basic Seiko. I'd much rather spend my £100-300 on a Fossil that I like the look of, than the same money on an ugly hunk of metal. At the end of the day, as long as it tells the time and I like the look of it, why should it matter?

[@hristohristov3026]

Exactly what I’m thinking.

[@lrvogt1257]

Paying more for a quality brand will get you more to a point and then there is the law of diminishing returns where the price goes up way faster than the improvements. People also forget that very expensive watches are very expensive to maintain. You'll never stop paying for it.

[@TheRealFeechLaManna]

I have a number of watches in different styles and colour combos, but they are all either Omega, Seiko or Tissot. All 3 brands are good quality, relatively cheap, and have enough name to not make any real watch collectors straight up hate me. It works :)

[@danielbreia11]

I bought a Ferrari Pilota watch, yes it´s a fashion watch and not a real watch, but i still like it, I would love to buy a seiko for example but at the time i didn´t had money to buy it. So yeah what i´m tryna say is fashion watches are just tryna look good but they do their purpose, but defently don´t act like you know watches If you got one of these. Great Video keep it up!

[@bubblewrapvillain]

The diesel watches are the worst looking of the bunch, plus they're massive.

[@futb2665]

I have a Tommy Hilfiger and for the price I paid the watch is pretty good. Looks nice too. Cant compare it with my Longines or Seiko but i'm happy with it. Its the model 1791066 and i got it way under 100€.