Why Do So Many HD Remasters Of Games Look Terrible?

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[@Smarackto]

the worst about wc3 reforged is that they already managed to capture the cartoony vibe from both characters AND environment once before .... that game is called Heroes of the Storm and its art direction is really well done

[@absenteechild8542]

The fact that HotS can outperform anything is depressing

[@crazagres1839]

Well, they didn't. Blizzard didn't make reforged, they outsourced it. The studio dealing with it didn't make Hots.

[@Smarackto]

@@crazagres1839 this changes nothing about what i said. It even deepens my point. Blizzard is willing to outsource and rush instead of doing it inhouse

[@crazagres1839]

@@Smarackto Never said I disagree with that part, just saying the studio working on it were clueless.

[@alexthebat9012]

Between TLOU remaster and TLOU remake, out of the 2 comparison images shown, 1 makes the remake look bad and one that makes the remake look good. Personally, I think the in-engine rendering of cutscenes does look a little worse than the pre-rendered original cutscenes. But we’ve only seen 2 minutes of footage of the remake and 1 bad looking screenshot of Ellie’s redesigned model. I think the remake is going to be better gameplay-wise than the original. But not worth the $70 to replay a 9 year old game.

[@Flatcetera]

The problem is that they botched Ellie’s face. It looks like they plastered the face of the VA, who is a grown ass woman, into the body of a 13 year old. It just doesn’t fit and gives that uncanny valley effect.

[@Markunator]

@@Flatcetera Remake Ellie looks like she did in the flashback sequences in the sequel. The original design for Ellie looked too much like Elliot Page, so Naughty Dog changed her appearance for the sequel - and subsequently also for the remake.

[@Flatcetera]

@@Markunator they had already changed her face from the one that looked like Elliot, which was the the 2011 E3 trailer. It never made into the game. The one we got never looked like him, back then it was a big deal that they changed the face exactly because beyond two souls was coming out and he was vocal about “being upset there might be a confusion between the games”. Now they just want to make her look like Ashley, which would be fine if they used childhood pictures to recreate Ellie’s face, but they’re just using the previous rig of her face that made her young model look weird in part II, and now on the remake. Yes, it makes for more accurate expression, but the face looks smushed if the angle isn’t just right.

[@inquisitorzane3815]

I think the cool part is it is with tlou2 movement and combat as it's a ground up remake as I understand it. I would love to get to play through the same story with the vastly superior combat and movement of the second.

[@TheShicksinator]

Gonna be worth it to play on PC for those of us that haven't yet though

[@ezzyelder3385]

For the uneducated in vaushs audience, remakes are built from the ground up and remasters use the original games source code

[@oscerthefool]

oh thank God the comment section is addressing the fact that vaush would agree, under his own premises, that this is a good remaster because it 1) greatly updates the gameplay and 2) actually improved graphics beyond the basic HD upgrade we got on the PS4. I was waiting for chat to call him out on it but no one did lol

[@rjmb16]

Go watch comparisons of the full trailer online and tell me if there isn't a colossal difference for the better between the remaster and the remake. The difference in lightning is like night and day in realism. The face models might look a bit uncanny in certain isolated frames but that's just because the faces in the first game were exclusively hand animated (which made them look more stylized or more cartoonish) and Part II (which they are using as a blueprint for the remake) had facial motion capture as well (witch made them look more realistic). The Joel and Ellie models are pretty much the ones they used for the History museum flashback in the second game, that takes place only a year after the original game. They are clearly more expressive and have way better textures, not even close.

[@Pathsfound]

Yeah imo this is Vaush dying on his "eew muddy" hill again

[@Flatcetera]

That’s a HUGE failure tho. If a game hinges on making you care and relate to the characters, making their faces do “less” of that is actually a downgrade, no matter how much more expressive they are. And yeah, younger Ellie does look awkward in part II, that’s kind of the main problem.

[@TheOutsider69]

This is literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard Vaush say.

[@thefebo8987]

"More realism" and "more uncanny" in one post. Uncanny is the opposite of the real.

[@shanegale6143]

@@thefebo8987 Google "uncanny valley" usually when people say the word "uncanny" about 99% of the time they are using it with this phrase. just in case you have never heard of it before. lets get you up to speed :)) feel free to pass this knowledge on bro

[@Klemeron]

Agreed on broader point, but how can you not see the utter visual superiority of the new TLOU thing? Not even a graphical issue necessarily, but the way the details of the backdrop fade away and the lighting flashes across only the important pieces of the scene (her head and hands) guides your eyes to immediately see the focus points of the image - her expression and her holding the rifle, while original is all over the place. This is pretty basic art stuff.

[@TheOutsider69]

He's purposefully just being a contrarian with this take.

[@DarkHunter047]

​@@TheOutsider69 I don't think so, it is more that that image leads to that, most of the graphical improvements in the image are subtle things, like the cloth textures. I think this was more of a knee jerk reaction to a thing he has already a bias against.

[@jerrodshack7610]

@@TheOutsider69 Vaush has literally never had a good opinion on any media

[@thefebo8987]

Hyperrealism has nothing to do with "art"

[@Klemeron]

@@thefebo8987 not sure what that's referring to, realism is a stylistic choice, which does have certain bearing on the execution of visual art. A remastered game might not necesarily just improve the fidelity of its textures, but have them fade out at a distance in a more optically accurate way, for instance.

[@Versace_sheets]

Man he's so brain dead some times

[@Versace_sheets]

I can understand thinking its subjectively better but come on man what a brain dead take

[@Infinite_voyager]

You can tell when vaush is going off w no real info, and it’s really worrisome to think he can speak so confidently on things he is so wrong.

[@SolitasRuisu]

Vaush media takes being shit isn't just a meme

[@trillmixin6999]

If we're talking in terms of remasters not being faithful to the original source halo ce anniversary comes to mind

[@BlitzWare518]

It's kinda funny too because Vaush mentions that as one of the remasters that are good. Hell, he even praises the Demon's Souls remaster even though the art-style is way different from the original.

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

@@BlitzWare518 The Demon's Souls one is definitely better looking though. CE is a mixed bag, especially compared to 2's Anniversary which looks like a freaking Pixar movie (in a good way).

[@trillmixin6999]

@@BlitzWare518 vaush drab

[@BlitzWare518]

@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Well, agreed the Demon's Souls is graphically better but it did change FromSoft's original art style, for better or for worse. It also drastically changed the music which I wouldn't mind if there was a toggle for old/new music. That being said, I particularly don't mind Demon's Souls and Halo remasters. I'll would just liked them remasters to preserve the original more which Halo did well in.

[@thefebo8987]

@@knowledgeanddefense1054 it looks worse. The nexus look like a comic. Has nothing to do with original. Other things like the animations are really bad too

[@spengebabswagpants6768]

Does vaush know that the re4 remake is gonna be completely different in tone and aesthetics? They’re gonna make it more horror focused, which I think is cool. Separates it from the original.

[@camerontrofinoff4942]

Yeah if it’s resident evil 4’s setting with 2’s remake gameplay it will be amazing

[@TheTrogolizer]

I got some serious E3 2003 vibes from the Remake trailer. I was scared of Regeneradores, and Salazar's Right Hand, so I'm looking forward to how they make me poop my pants again, nearly 20 years later

[@TheTrogolizer]

@@camerontrofinoff4942 Just imagining the body horror of Las Plagas in RE:Engine gives me chills

[@allot5530]

Remakes done right

[@thefebo8987]

Why not make a complete new one then? This is so absurd

[@TheBreadB]

I like how in the end Vaush just admits he doesn’t care and he’s probably wrong about the remake not looking good.

[@ziontea7045]

That's how he ends most of his media takes lol

[@Pathsfound]

I'm glad Vaush is willing to provide an angle and a lense even if it's kinda meh. At least go all I'm on your take and let people explore your viewpoint on it's fullest

[@cormano64]

​@@ziontea7045 And that's why I just skip them when they show up on my feed.

[@MegaDuke4life]

Everytime he starts up a video game opinion its always the wildest takes with no interest to follow it up. Its always "either its agree or I dont care" with this guy lol

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@MegaDuke4life His take on Warhammer 40K: Duke Nukem Edition was trash lmfao

[@ihaveasecret9539]

The Last of Us remake literally looks better though. Why is he judging from only one screenshot? There’s actual footage from the game to look at. Vaush Bad (Media Takes)

[@kaikaikai6959]

Even if it looked worse, it is taking the combat from the second game and putting it in the first, like they did with the controls for the Uncharted remasters. So by his own metric, the Last of Us remake might be worth it. But I don’t know how he didn’t realize that a cutscene at the very end of the PS3 lifecycle by one of the best in graphics is still gonna look good.

[@TheOutsider69]

Yeah really cringe take from Voosh.

[@tcritt]

They've updated a lot more in The Last of Us Part 1; it's not just a graphical upgrade.

[@johnnyjosefsen7644]

Yeah, I heard rumours that they also expanded the levels.

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

the original game had severe AI compromises as a result of 2006 hardware limitations & poorly thought out level design that led to a combat experience not even in the same echelon as the second. They couldn't have done a straight port and then fix those issues in post, otherwise they'd have done it on PS4. This is backporting the codebase and pipeline systems of the sequel AND attempting to redesign encounters to actually benefit from it. This is also a tertiary project for ND so the graphical fidelity isn't as big of a jump as 1 to 2 was. Everyone's pretending TLOU was a flawless game and this is only a visual update, which is frustrating because these same people admit that it would be worthwhile if they made major balance and design overhauls to actually change the game, which is literally what this remake is. If it comes out and sucks, bitch about it then.

[@daryno9048]

I loved the original but in almost every way the sequel is superior to it and if they make the remake to be more like the sequel than that would be awesome.

[@Robbay363]

Man I have to disagree about the level design. That was one of my favorite things about it. Sure the second one has better level design, but I hope they don't change the original levels too much (though I understand changes need to be made to accommodate the new mechanics).

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@Robbay363 I respect that u disagree even though it didn't change how I feel about it. That's the beauty of life

[@bagelgrenade8332]

I like ya Vaush and I agree generally with the sentiment but it's impossible to look at The Last of Us remake side by side with the original and say that the remake doesn't look better. It's super dumb to form your opinion on this based on one screenshot of a cutscene. Also the Grim Fandango remaster was indeed fantastic

[@alexinabox6931]

Who cares? Why should a company spend time, money and resources on a remake that only looks marginally better than the original?

[@jessec.6876]

@@alexinabox6931 because they want to

[@georgebibu461]

@@alexinabox6931 what do you mean "marginally" it looks leaves better than the original. Like OP said, watch the trailer and not just this one screenshot.

[@emilchan5379]

@@alexinabox6931 Because it is more than just different graphics. Gameplay is being updated, plus it is coming to PC. If you already played it on console and don't think it is worth the price tag, then just accept that you are not the target audience and don't buy it. No need to put down people who are indeed excited for it.

[@mcbaws21]

the remake very heavily improves the gameplay and technical aspects of the game. while i agree some screenshots look off, and the visual style has changed, the screencaps that are circulating online are very misleading. vaush L

[@dylan6386]

I mean it improves the game pay play I wouldn’t say heavily, and it’s still a $70 game that gets rid of features that came with the base game like multiplayer

[@dylan6386]

It’s not that this game doesn’t deserve a remake I think it’s more so having to do with the timing, I feel like some people just aren’t ready to feel like graphics have changed as much in the past 10 years compared to the 10 years before the first last of us came out

[@dylan6386]

@Estrogen Fury Actually I might’ve been wrong about the multiplayer apparently there may be some news about a standalone multiplayer announcement, I still think this game is in the middle ground for a lot of people though in terms of needing/wanting a remake, Just considering how much of an improvement it would be from the bass game compared to games coming out 10 years before the first last of us dropped

[@mcbaws21]

@@dylan6386 i agree that the price is kind of exaggerated

[@mcbaws21]

@Estrogen Fury what im really excited about is the fact that its coming to pc, which basically makes it free if you do a little trolling. that is if you have a machine strong enough to play it

[@toby9364]

What a horrid thumbnail. The last of us part 1 looks way way better than even the remastered version

[@dynamicpenguin55]

@Shmuzhin Phuzin um ok

[@ihaveasecret9539]

@Shmuzhin Phuzin any game I like can’t be overrated. That’s just objective truth.

[@toby9364]

@Shmuzhin Phuzin it can be both overrated and an amazing game

[@toby9364]

@Shmuzhin Phuzin 7/10 gameplay 10/10 story = amazing game. try to enjoy things

[@builttoscalevideos]

The problem for me about Last of Us Part 1is that it essentially is what The Last of Us Remastered was, an engine update, only this time they cut content from it and raised the price significantly. It's ironic too because the original game still holds up both visually and gameplay-wise, and I think the reason why the original holds up visually is because there was an actual style to it, the characters had a pseudo-comic aesthetic while still sticking to a somewhat photo-real backdrop. Sure with Part 2's engine you can see more subtleties in emotion, but it's not that insane of an upgrade, and it feels out of place because photorealism wasn't the art direction for the first game, it works in Part 2 because photorealism was the intended visual style, whereas Part 1 was going for an aesthetic that was never intended. It looks pretty, but I can still get the same experience by just booting up the PS4 version.

[@mcbaws21]

"game dev resources shouldnt be spent improving games that already look so good" my guy this is a 10 year old game, the screencap only looks that good cause its from a pre-rendered cutscene the primary purpose of the remake is to improve the technical aspects of the game, like the gameplay

[@ashwilliams1725]

The primary purpose of the remake is to get people to buy another copy of the samw game.

[@kevinjohnanand]

@@ashwilliams1725 The primary purpose of literally every single game ever made was to get people to buy it. Great argument.

[@MeMe-nm7jr]

It's a remake of a game that's been remastered once though. I know those are different but it's still a major yawn for me.

[@mcbaws21]

@@MeMe-nm7jr it wouldnt even call the first one a remaster, it was more of a port

[@MeMe-nm7jr]

@@mcbaws21 still a remaster though, and that one didn't bother me. Totally made sense to bring it to ps4. It's just that I don't want to see it over and over. If there's a market for it then sure I guess, but not for me. Even if they redo some systems it's just kinda bland to me.

[@memebump7612]

Judging just from this screenshot, I do think Ellie's face looks better in the original.

[@Kevo6492]

I like how a lot of people on Twitter are comparing the pre rendered cutscenes and this is after despite the story being divisive which meh stop getting your panties in a bunch because of a little golf, the graphics of TLOU2 were universally praised and that’s basically what Naughty Dog is basing the remake on.

[@jjproductions7236]

Based

[@giuseppecappelliPSRL]

I have a hard time understanding

[@mookiestewart3776]

Tlou2 was a mid game and someone needs to say it

[@darko1295]

@@mookiestewart3776 Half the Internet is saying it, you're not a special case

[@Kevo6492]

@@darko1295 I was about to say the same lmao.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

the difference between Warcraft 3 and Warcraft 3 Reforged can only be understood if you play them both from that RTS camera view, in the original game the units and everything are so well-designed that you can easily keep track of them and in a large scale battle you don't have a hard time looking at them and figuring out what's happening while in Reforged the units and everything blend in together and it becomes confusing, that's why the professional players play with the original GFX rather than the Reforged version.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

This was one of the big flaws with Homeworld that the remaster didn't really fix imo. You have to really zoom down to see the model designs of units (aside from the REALLY big ships) and that kinda sucks in the middle of a big fight. They counter this somewhat in the original and the remaster by giving each ship an icon that marks them by relative size after you get far enough away, but it doesn't, for example, distinguish between anti-fighter strike craft or bomber strike craft, and that makes it a real game of where's Waldo when you've got hundreds of units on-screen duking it out and flying in all sorts of wacky circles as they try to outflank enemy units. Also it's a bit if a shame because the ships look pretty cool, but you mostly see the icons that represent them because space is big and such. Would have been an easy enough fix to change some of the icons a bit. They do it with boarding frigates, because their icon is bigger than other frigates which makes it really easy to see them and evaporate them before they can steal your stuff. Too bad they didn't add something to other ships to make them more noticeable

[@dynamicpenguin55]

Claiming that the last of us remake is terrible but the demon souls remake is fine makes absolutely no sense

[@themusicaljunkie37]

It's almost as if Vaush has an unique taste... I can't believe that! He has to agree with all of us, no matter what.

[@emilchan5379]

A lot of what he was saying in this video makes no sense. He said the remakes of RE1-3 was good but a remake of RE4 isn't necessary. Like what?

[@WsjMGdqp8VR0GvP6YI26RJSp]

Vaush you’re wrong about part 1. It’s not just a graphical overhaul, they are expanding the levels and moving the gameplay system to the one from part 2. Also naughty dog hasn’t re released the last of us except for the remaster on ps4 which was pretty much Just a 60fps upgrade so I don’t think it’s being milked all that badly.

[@dreamerfrostbite2066]

ooh boy I can already tell that this might be a bad take, ish.

[@Vin_Venture896]

I love the Vaush strat nowadays of suddenly not caring about a topic after rambling about it for 20 minutes - 2 hours the moment he realises he’s wrong and dug himself in too deep 😂

[@lordabaddon8683]

He's right tho

[@i_buy_sh1tty_cars378]

@@lordabaddon8683 no

[@TheBreadB]

@@lordabaddon8683 absolutely no

[@bombatwombat3680]

warcraft 3 reforged looks like they split all the assets of the original into 5 collections, handed each collection to a different artist, told the artists that if they communicated with each other they'd be shot, and then slapped all those inconsistent and conflicting assets back into 1 game. it's incoherent.

[@WiloPolis03]

Vaush's hair has reached its 7th from and is undergoing a supervillain arc

[@TheGodofweak]

I mean, Last of us 2 looks amazing, even today, and ND is trying to bring Part 1 more in line with part 2, so you can play the games simultaneously without it being jarring. On release its probably will look really good, and play better than the OG. That being said, Last of us still looks decent and it didn't really need an update, plus costing $80+ is a real kick in the teeth to play what is essentially a pretty looking update. If it was a $30-40 upgrade path from the ps4 remaster, then maybe -but while I'm sure it will be great, it doesn't feel like a substantial remake and can't justify that price tag. Demon's Souls ps5 is next level, best remake since RE2. Even though it doesn't change the gameplay, it justifies its existence with an intense graphical overhaul and playing at a locked 60 while looking That good and loading levels in a second? Incredible. If ND waited longer, got a new game under their belt that wasn't Last of Us related, this remaster would be more justified. They may be making Last of us 3 immediately and this remaster is a way to future-proof the first one.

[@hopefullynotbutprobably6643]

I don't get the appeal of HD remasters most of the time. Like it almost looks the exact same. Why would I play the same game again just to look at slightly higher quality graphics?

[@emilchan5379]

Same here. That's why I didn't get the remaster of Starcraft and Diablo 2, already played those games to the death back in the day. But I guess HD remasters do have the benefit of capturing new fans.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

if you guys haven't played Starcraft 2 you should definitely play the campaign, it's easily a top 5 RTS game, the Cinematics are insane and the Gameplay is smooth as hell and very balanced strategy-wise, it's Free to Play now with two of its expansions, it's definitely the best game that came out of Blizzard after 2010.

[@ziontea7045]

I assume PC only right? Never got into the genre 🤷‍♂️. My crappy PC can't run anything these days

[@fourthspartan5654]

@@ziontea7045 It is. With the exception of Halo Wars, 99% of strategy games are limited to PC.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@ziontea7045 a PC from late 2000's can run it, I mean RTS games are easier to play with a Keyboard and Mouse, I haven't played Halo Wars so I donno how good it plays with a Controller but Starcraft is PC only.

[@Revan058]

@@Ar1AnX1x Halo Wars was optimized like a motherfucker to run pretty smoothly using a controller. It's actually kinda impressive the amount of work they put into it.

[@cuckoophendula8211]

Wait Starcraft 2 is seriously free to play now? I may need to waste a weekend with this pretty soon

[@johnnyth440]

Warcraft III: Reforged broke me. But the Resident Evil 3 remake was really bad too. And I loved the Resident Evil 2 remake.

[@Dooferification]

The fucked up thing about WC3 reforged was they even changed how stuff paths and a few other small things that it feels off too

[@alpacamaster5992]

The wind waker remaster is flawless

[@Problematist]

To me the problem with The Last Of Us remaster is also that they reduced the stylized aspects. They just blindly made everything more realistic to justify the remake in the first place. Plus its the only version on PC and even if you can play the original it wont have the improved controls and accessibility options.

[@-sanju-]

I have no idea where the idea that TLOU1 tried to be "stylized" comes from. Graphically ND wanted the game to be realistic and they did what they could at the time (they just upped the saturation to the point that it looks like you're playing with a filter).

[@Problematist]

@@-sanju- I didn't know that. It's just something that was always interesting to me.

[@amiciprocul8501]

Too late, the $100 Firefly Edition of the Remaster already sold out within the first few days of the announcement.

[@OMGYasuke]

Vaush video game takes are so bad lmfao.

[@cephasoj108]

I think it's unnecessary but it looks objectively graphically better, its lost some of its distinct artstyle but i think it still looks great. Don't like the cost but the fact it's coming to pc makes it almost worth it.

[@TheShawnSolo]

The command and conquer remaster is exactly how it should be done. At any point during game you can tap a key to switch between old and new.

[@duskonanyavarld1786]

I like aoe remakes more but I have not played the third one. The first one made farm change to be more like the second one. Too bad I am so used to HD that I think about the low resolution when I watch DVD's.

[@facepandaparty]

I will always say this best remasters ever and what should be the template is halo 1 and 2 on the master chief collection

[@tylerhackner9731]

Good question

[@TheTrogolizer]

I disagree with the RE4 Remake take. It's a relatively old game, launched in '04, and was just recently updated and ported to VR, and rather well too. That's just one direction it could have gone, and now, we're getting something like RE2 Remake but for 4. The VR version showed that there are some technical and physics based improvements to be made that enrich the gameplay experience. Also, it's well known in the RE community that 4 was meant to be even spookier and meatier than the final product. It is possible that Capcom will add cut content that didn't make it to the masterpiece we've had all these years. Something similar is happening with KotOR II on Switch as well. The dev team Aspyr, same team remaking KotOR I, will be integrating the infamous Restored Content Mod. As long as the games are being remade for the right reasons, I personally see no issue with it

[@Robbay363]

Even though I think RE4 still plays super well today, they did such an incredible job with 2 and 3 that I'm still excited to see what they pull off here.

[@seththeawesome3366]

Time for Vaush’s regularly scheduled warcraft 3 reforged rant. Let’s goooo

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

Warcraft 3 on the left looked like shit bro come oooon lmao

[@4zap7]

This remaster looks awesome

[@telepathyclub]

Counterpoints: MGS HD Collection, Shadow of the Colossus PS3, Legend of Mana, Moon, Grim Fandango, OoT 3D, Odin Sphere Leifthrasir, Twilight Princess HD, Link's Awakening DX and Switch version, Pokemon Heart Gold & Soul Silver, Halo 2 Anniversary, Metroid Prime Trilogy, FFVII remake, RE2 remake, Mario 64 DS, Super Mario All Stars, Metroid Zero Mission... Having a new version is almost always a good thing (WC3 is a big exception bc it damages the original), though they should also include the original versions with the remasters so they're not forgotten.

[@zeroperator]

The last of us already has a remaster that ported it from ps3 to ps4, the game is literally playable on ps5 cause of backwards comparability why would they ever do this

[@cynicalmemester1694]

They want to retcon the original game so it could fit the story of the sequel. Typically the sequel should fit the story of its predecessor, not the other way around but whatever I guess.

[@imuwuforu]

@@cynicalmemester1694 How is providing the exact same narrative a third time trying to retcon it? Its literally doing the opposite

[@MeMe-nm7jr]

Money

[@zeroperator]

@@cynicalmemester1694 What's wrong with the story that doesn't fit with part 2?

[@nickv1212]

@@cynicalmemester1694 The sequel fits perfectly with the original as it is. I hope they don't have the Firefly characters from the sequel make cameos in the remake, that's the one thing I could see them doing that would just ruin it. They're probably gonna do it, we're gonna see a few scenes with some or maybe even the entire crew and it's gonna feel so tacked on. I already know it. Not that I dislike TLOU2. It plays like a dream and I can understand wanting to bring the original up to par. It's the best Rambo simulator ever and now we're getting more Rambo, but with the less divisive story.

[@ariancontreras4358]

In last of us case it was already in HD. It's when it's a PS2/gamecube/xbox or earlier game that an hd spruce up is arguably good.

[@njm2699]

They did H2A really well w the remastered anniversary. They improved tremendously from Halo:CE Anniversary

[@arandajose20]

Common Media take L

[@theLeomega]

Remasters are more often than not outsourced to 3rd party studios, they have no creative objective beyond just remake the game.

[@TheBeach14]

Two games imo that could do a good remastering are Dragon Age Origins and the original Witcher

[@williammcentee2068]

a console port of the original witcher is long overdue with how popular the franchise is now.

[@cass7448]

DAO's visual direction was all over the place, and downright awful to look at in some places. Say what you will about DA2, but the art style had a much stronger sense of its own identity. DAI abandoned a lot of the grimdark feel, but it still had very strong art direction all around. DAO would benefit greatly from a high-effort remaster.

[@TonyPajama]

Vaush trying to intellectualize his take instead of just coming to the normal take that everyone has: I prefer some remakes and remasters and sometimes I prefer the original. You don’t have to pretend that this remake doesn’t look leaps and bounds better than the original to say “but I still prefer the original”

[@agre8380]

As a game dev I think he is pretty much exactly right. Our industry is already being choked out of any creativity, and hyping up a literal remaster of a remaster is an absolutely sickening precedent to support for someone who enjoys art and good media. You won’t ever get a cool new game like The Last of Us again if you keep showing companies you are interested in buying the same game 5 times.

[@georgebibu461]

@@agre8380 you make it sound like naughty dog has been remastering the last of us and doing literally nothing else for over a decade or something. I can get behind this criticism for Rockstar but this remake in addition to making the game look better is also revamping the actual gameplay.

[@ashwilliams1725]

"Vaush actually out here having independent thoughts as opposed to falling in line behind everybody else like a sheep. Don't you dare bring up the fact that he's by no means the first person to have the take that he does either."

[@georgebibu461]

@@ashwilliams1725 independent thoughts are no good when you base all of them off of a single weird looking screenshot of a comparison. The least he could've done was watch the trailer for the remake.

[@asherroodcreel640]

@@georgebibu461 it was on remakes vs remasters as a whole, it's not really about the last of us.

[@pedroff_1]

Crypt of the Necrodancer devs just decided to remaster the game and push it as an update to the original game for free. Only thing that was really important was the massive performance improvement and a few quality of life settings

[@WillTheGreatest]

I'd say a KOTOR remake justifies its existence more than say an RE4 remake only because capcom probably sjouldve remade RE0 and code veronica first given those games aged not the best

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

In Dutch "raid" (= reet) means "ass"

[@johnnyjosefsen7644]

It's been a while since I played WC3, so for a second the one on the left was the original because it looked worse. Oh boy...

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

They both look bad because they’re both on PlayStation obvs

[@TheBreadB]

Isn’t that a remake of the first game?

[@zacheryeckard3051]

I like the reforged model for the little dude. It's just weirdly incoherent. The shading was abandoned, the coherent visual style... just strange.

[@etabiansosin]

You should play Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition. Best Remastered RTS Game Ever.

[@HalasterBlackmantle]

Unfortunately in the Halo Masterchief Collection, the Coop play is borked beyond belief. It has issues that I last saw in early 90s multiplayer games, which is f*cking embarrassing. And they know of the issues and have no intentions of fixing them.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

I wish EA would just port the dead space games to newer consoles instead of ground up remaking them. Same for konami and silent hill.

[@InfamousHN]

All I think of when I looked at the thumbnail is marvels Spider-Man and changing peters face. IMO he is suppose to look older not have baby face Tom Holland. Love Tom Holland as Spider-Man though just not on the PS games

[@chipmanly1359]

This dude said RE4 plays perfectly in it's current state lmfao

[@frankpoposojo]

Uh-oh we got a badass over here.

[@ararepotato1420]

Vaush definitely has some of the weirdest video game and media takes...

[@OwlEye2010]

IKR? His political takes are usually so on-point, yet when he talks about entertainment, he becomes the worst thing ever.

[@dylan6386]

Comparing the graphical fidelity improvement is literally the main point of contention that a lot of the better gaming journalist have been talking about and whether or not it’s really worth the $70 price point, this is in no way a weird media take this is if anything one of the most talked about things surrounding the game other than general hype

[@emilchan5379]

@@dylan6386 The thing is his takes are all over the place. He praised Starcraft Remastered but said an RE4 remake isn't necessary? RE4 came out more than 15 years ago. It could definitely use a facelift. Plus it seems the devs are hoping to add more horror elements, making it more in line with more recent RE games and remakes. Also graphical fidelity improvement isn't the only change going on here. The TLOU Remake is supposedly getting some gameplay improvements as well, so it is not just a straight graphical update. And the fact that is finally coming to PC makes this remake worth it.

[@radiobe4179]

Demon Souls remake is more like Reforged. The difference is that Demon's actually look good judging it by modern standards, but Bluepoint (the dudes who remastered Shadow of Colossus) went all authoral in the remaster, making it waaaaay more generic. Demon's Souls conveyed it's themes through level and enemy design, and Bluepoint made stuff look way different, in a way that "looks better" but loses the whole subtext of the original.

[@jcdenton7891]

I’m going to go against Vaush on this one, I adore the resident evil 2 remake and I hope that one day they remake the original Deus ex.

[@minhocho5487]

Did you watch the video? He specifically says RE2 and 3 remake is masterful and are the standard he thinks should be for the other remakes.

[@Wav03]

@@minhocho5487 did he actually say that is the standard or did you say it for him

[@minhocho5487]

@@Wav03 I will try to find directly what he said, but from my memory he said something along the lines of "I prefer remaster over remakes but re 2 and 3 are fantastic examples of what a good remake is" again I'll try to find directly what he said

[@Wav03]

@@minhocho5487 oh I know what you’re talking about now ok

[@The_Muznick]

The only reason they are doing this with The Last of Us is to promote the show that's being made, which if history taught us anything, will be completely awful. We still have yet to have a good live action adaptation of a video game.

[@Infinite_voyager]

This was such a huge Vaush L, going off on a rant because a screenshot. Im not defending Sony at all, specially with a 70$ price tag, but the whole game is being updated to match the art style and the gameplay of part 2 (which is objectively better in those areas than part 1). Since they introduced new systems on part 2, it is reasonable to assume they may include those as well and bring a new experience to the game.

[@hgbguy]

tru

[@coco_rthritis6462]

I think my favorite remaster/remake is Halo 2. It went from a great game with great cutscenes to a full cinematic experience with great gameplay. The original cutscenes are amazing, but the new ones really bring the story alive I personally prefer older graphics/games like Half-life, Morrowind, Postal 2 etc. They just have so much character and passion. Ultra realism can be cool but I feel like it rarely provides a unique experience.

[@coco_rthritis6462]

I will say that the problem with older games (mostly like 97-04) is that they tend to be more buggy. Sometimes really buggy. Like I love Morrowind but idk if I'll be able to finish cause of how much it breaks lol. Like right now I can't make constant effect enchantments with AZURA'S STAR anymore. Literally the most powerful soul gem in the game, probably in the series. So yeah a key component to enchanting is broken in my save, very cool

[@coco_rthritis6462]

I will say that the problem with older games (mostly like 97-04) is that they tend to be more buggy. Sometimes really buggy. Like I love Morrowind but idk if I'll be able to finish cause of how much it breaks lol. Like right now I can't make constant effect enchantments with AZURA'S STAR anymore. Literally the most powerful soul gem in the game, probably in the series. So yeah a key component to enchanting is broken in my save, very cool

[@emilchan5379]

@@coco_rthritis6462 Yeah I absolutely love Morrowind, but the game is buggy as heck. I actually somehow ended up making a "cursed" ring that was well and truly cursed - equipping the ring was fine but unequipping it would instantly crash my game. Back then I only managed to complete the main quest, it was only because I had a 3-month school break going from middle school to high school. I seriously doubt I have the time or the patience to replay it and complete the expansions today...

[@PumkRock]

I actually hated the pre-rendered cutscenes in the Halo 2 remaster. For starters, In the original game the cutscenes were all in-engine. You could fight through an area, crash a warthog into a wall, blow up all of the surrounding clutter items, litter the floor with dead enemies- and then in the following cutscene the room would look exactly like that. Your crashed warthog would still be smouldering in the background while characters talked to each other- and on replays of the game you could even intentionally mess up cutscenes by parking vehicles where you knew they would obscure vision or prevent characters from walking through doors and stuff. outside of stuff like level intros, larger events like space battles and endgame cinematics, I will always prefer in-engine cutscenes, because pre-rendered ones take me out of the experience to watch something else. But to top it off, the new cutscenes have completely different pacing. They are definitely impressive looking- and stuff like the grave mind really benefits from the new visuals - but a lot of the original mood of the game is lost because they all feel like they are running on breakneck fast-forward and are full of booming bass sounds. When the scarab attacks your dropship in the original game, you get like 3 establishing shots of it lumbering out of the smoke, the music swells, it's stepping on trucks, it begins charging up it's cannon- you are given a second or two to think "oh fuck what is *that???*" and intuitively grasp what's about to happen before it attacks. In the remake it partially emerges from dense smoke and basically INSTANTLY ambushes you. In the original game there are several shots that linger on a character as they survey a scene, or a character's face/helmet for dramatic effect- but the new fancy cutscenes are in too much of a hurry all of the time to do this.

[@hi_austin]

Is Factions going to be included in the remake? The multiplayer is what kept that game alive for years.

[@TicTacPilgrim]

The multiplayer will be a separate release. It's own game. The devs were originally going to have it in with PART 2 but they wanted to do more with it and are basically making it on scale like Part 2 was in terms of content. It's in San Francisco with its own separate cast and storyline. We'll be seeing more of it next year.

[@sinnattugaq]

Vaush and his hot takes on Cut scenes. Fuck that, im here for the new gameplay. I like TLOU, but its not fun to play tbh

[@cass7448]

The Spyro remake is amazing.

[@johnnyjosefsen7644]

One of the worst remasters is the remaster of Monkey Island. It looks god awful and they have no respect for the originals use of color.

[@Clero77]

Oh boy, another 30 minute stunlock. If only I could get a TL;DR.

[@xSolraccarloSx]

Ellie no longer looks like Ellie wtf did they do to her face?

[@Cookberg]

3 mins in and I'm 1000% on board still

[@russellward4624]

They do the same with tv shows especially. They over light things and ruin the tone.

[@thedragondread9587]

Link's Awakening might be like the best remake ever

[@babbisp1]

7:34

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

I don't know much about game ports but Last of Us was probably optimized for PS3 and it's impossible to recover some textures for the port. They have to rebuild from the ground up with less money so it just looks shit. Another problem with ports is when they use some function of a certain console's gpu to add fog and water effects and that's impossible to save when porting. Bloodborne would also probably break at 60fps

[@thefebo8987]

Wrong. The Remastered is already on ps4/ps5

[@thefebo8987]

+even Playstation modders can play bloodborne with 60fps.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

@@thefebo8987 Just bc bloodborne can run at 60 dos doesn't mean the game isn't broken. I don't personally care about these things but doubling framerates would mess with hitboxes, weapon degradation, etc. It also just makes the game easier.

[@austinmccon2759]

Insert skyrim anecdote

[@dragunov815]

What a tragedy.

[@millennialmongoose3392]

didn't they get sued by Paige because ellie was too much like the character from juno and they had too change ellie slightly to avoid it

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

First of all, that's a remake, not a remaster. The remaster is what you are comparing the remake TO. Second of all, I think both the remaster and the remake look great in their own ways, and it's bringing the gameplay up to par with Part II that I'm really excited for (I urge everyone here to play Part I right after playing Part II to see what I mean)

[@BlitzWare518]

TLOU PS4 remaster isn't even really a remaster. All Sony did was port it to the PS4 and increased the playable res & fps. If that's the bar for a remaster, then everytime you buy/upgrade a pc, you remaster all your PC game by increasing their res/frames.

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

@@BlitzWare518 That’s what a remaster is, yes. It’s hard to compare console to PC (another example for what makes this comparison awkward id the difference between console generations and a gradually improving machine that you can customize) but technically speaking yes, you essentially get the same result when you upgrade your PC.

[@BlitzWare518]

@@knowledgeanddefense1054 If you want a console comparison, then look at all the existing PS4 games that only had their res/fps increased with the PS4 Pro or PS5. Xbox does this even further by doing their proprietary "FPS boost" that allows MS to boost a game's fps without the devs even touching the game. Which again, no one would consider these as remasters because that would kill most meaning in the word when used in these discussions.

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

@@BlitzWare518 What’s the difference between a remake and a remaster, then? Those new consoles having those features is a new thing, the way remasters were defined up until that point, again, is basically that kind of small change.

[@BlitzWare518]

​@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Remasters are largely using the same engine as the original but upgrading their actual coding (better lighting, better textures, etc). E.G Spider-Man Remastered, Mass Effect LE, Halo Anniversary, Dark Souls Remastered. A remake is basically made from the ground up, borrowing little actual coding from the original game. E.G Resident Evil Remakes, Link's Awakening, Heart Gold/Soul Silver. Also the difference between PC and console games is null because they largely get the same games at the same date. Hell many of those games have cross-play/cross-save to further prove that point.

[@Iridesca]

The Halo 2 remastered cutscenes are absolutely amazing

[@TheCherryTrader]

Age of empires 2 definition is amazing

[@Senumunu]

a bunch of the spell effects look atrocious in the diablo remake mobile game tier

[@IskandarTheWack]

Ps4 was remaster, ps5 one that’s coming out is remake

[@nohbuddy1]

StarCraft looks amazing remastered

[@donjuan2001]

It's a ground up remake which brings the first game up to the same level of graphical and mechanical polish as the second. Seems like a pretty good thing to me.

[@manjackson2772]

The first game was loved enough that they made a sequel to it. It's not necessary.

[@dylan6386]

Except for the fact that the publishers are just marketing the game and obviously pretending that this game is going to be just as innovative as the original release which is just inherently wrong, that is what the marketing team has kind of been pushing it is not that it is a graphical upgrade it may make the game feel better but otherwise does not change the story structure and if things like the cut scenes are bad in a story based game, that actually does seem like it could be a bit of an issue. Not to diminish the actual work that they’re doing because remaking a game from the ground up is very difficult, but it’s like comparing creating a book to proofreading and making revisions

[@SevenHunnid]

I’m a young mexican trying to make it out the Hood , i smoke weed on my KZbin channel & i did a Mukbang inside of Lowes🥷🔥

[@Wav03]

@@manjackson2772 the final fantasy 7 remake ‘wasn’t necessary’ by those standards. Most remakes actually aren’t necessary. They’re just awesome. If you aren’t a tlou fan then the games just not for you. If you are, then I have no fucking clue what reason you could possibly have for not wanting a remake. Because even if the remake is terrible(unlikely), fans are going to start recommending the remaster instead, and tlou gets another surge in popularity

[@Wav03]

@@dylan6386 games are not just their stories. They are also their game systems. So yeah, if the game improves that dog shit combat then I would say it’s fair for the company to advertise that OBVIOUSLY

[@IfYouSeekCaveman]

If you go to 1:08 in the trailer Joel's face looks weird as fuck. His lips are flapping around like Aloy's hair in Forbidden West.

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

No they aren't?..

[@dillydilly1595]

Omfg the bought the star craft remastered last while I was playing the original and holy fucking shit it was so good I was grinning like an idiot. Looks so clean and fresh but maintenance the classic aesthetic look

[@penpenultra]

For once I agree with a Vaush media take. Almost completely too.

[@davidblakley6806]

ah yes the more pixel button.

[@yourmomsbee7940]

As a demon souls vet, day 1 player on ps3. I can tell you that the REMAKE of demon souls was absolutely phenomenal. It was contracted to a company that specializes in REMAKING the game. The flow of the game and the engine did feel different enough that I had a unique experience even though I've 100% demon souls like 3 times. Remakes are much different than remasters, most remasters are just lazy graphical updates to fit the new Resolution (1080p/4k/1440p) or lighting. The Demon souls remake felt like a different game that looked just like demon souls.

[@TheShawnSolo]

Wait....they remastered WARCRAFT 3?!

[@iammatthewdavid03]

I don’t know, they both look kinda the same and or one looks better

[@matthewbergman6803]

Wind Waker HD is the best remaster I've ever played.