Why Do We Love The 1986 Transformers Movie?

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[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks for the shout out and glad I was able to help with a topic for the day, even if unintentional! I adore this movie and you're right! The fact it focuses on the Transformers themselves is the biggest selling point in addition to the animation, music, and story.

[@lc5719]

Two of my main transformers KZbinrs in one place, that’s rare

[@RodimusPrimal]

@@lc5719 Bah Weep graagnah Weep nini bong!

[@marshallwilson7077]

​@@RodimusPrimal and adding stakes and maturing the brand!

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

I have no love for the corporate decisions made during the 86 movie’s production, but I have much love for what it did for the franchise. It taught Hasbro the value of their characters through the audience’s outcry over Optimus and others’ death and introduced so much that’s become standard for the franchise. That, and it’s got a bangin’ soundtrack and solid animation.

[@williedoc4056]

Couldn't agree more. I have such a love hate relationship with this movie. I hated it because it broke every TF TV show rules on bots taking damage with resultant deaths when they could have just simply had characters no longer "appear" in the show to introduce the '86 toy line. But absolutely loved how fun the movie was and the slamming sound track

[@spencerlahaie3483]

The soundtrack and the fact that you’re watching your Saturday morning heroes getting blown up is so metal I can’t help but respect it

[@misterbadguy7325]

There's a simple answer: every other line in that film is delivered like it's going to be the pivotal line in the trailer.

[@megatronacepticon]

The animation, the soundtrack, seeing the characters we love on the big screen regardless of how many of them die.

[@NerdRahtio]

It was rare for a kids film to truly kill off characters we care about. Transformers the movie and Joe comics never talked down to me as a kid, and I think that’s why they still resonate with me at nearly 40.

[@RogerPyoko]

The thing I like to commend Transformers: the Movie for is that they didn't just phone it in. In an era where a TV cartoon-made-into-movie meant "120 minutes you can divide into 5 20 minute episodes", the crew making it stepped it up and made a big screen film. The animation quality was a big step up. The music wasn't just the stock GI Joe riffs the show had played every episode prior. The storyline wasn't just another episode of the show, dragged out for an hour and a half. Everything about it shows enough care and effort to it. Even the celebrity stunt casting helps with that. Just compare it to something like Go-Bots: Battle of the Rock Lords, or even Sunbow/Hasbro's own GI Joe: the Movie and you can see something on a whole different level than those other cartoon movies.

[@RogueTwo]

There is a segment of fandom -- any fandom, really -- who wanted the thing that they loved since they were little kids to have grown up with them. In Transformers' case, that meant turning that thing that little cartoon about robots that turn into trucks and cars and planes and fight one another into a full blown war drama. And the '86 movie was the first time we got that. The stakes were higher, characters died and didn't come back (not right away at least.) And it allowed them view the whole thing in a more mature light. But while Hasbro would indeed largely acknowledge it as a mistake, they did notice the way the adult collectors loved it. So, Transformers and many other fandoms leaned into it. Event stories that always featured a bodycount. "No one was safe!" They'd brag! Never mind that with alien robots and superheroes, there were often any number of ways of bringing them back. As we well know from Hasbro backpedaling on Optimus Prime's death. But they kind of miss an important point. The reason why the deaths in Transformers: The Movie are so impactful is because we'd had two seasons of the cartoon to get to know Ratchet, Ironhide, Brawn, Prowl, Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, and of course Optimus, where we watched them survive countless battles. It was shocking! In the Bay movies, most of the casualties are glorified extras who we had little or no attachment to. Ironhide and Ratchet the only real exceptions because they at least survived the previous films. You can't mourn a character who seemingly was only created to die in the same film they were introduced. Even if they'd been given the names of legacy characters. And because we KNOW they only exist as glorified extras to die, we don't bother getting attached to any of them. Why bother when you know that the writers don't care about these characters beyond using them for canon fodder? The argument that I often heard about the human characters is that they are supposed our viewpoint characters into the world of the Transformers. The idea that kids and mainstream moviegoers would have a hard time accepting giant robots as the main characters and needed someone relatable to help them get into it. Okay, I can accept that in the first film or two. Or in early issues of a comic or episodes of a cartoon. But if you're done your job, at some point you should be able to move away from the human sidekick character and focus more on the Transformers themselves as the main characters. Keeping their human friends around as B and C plots. Daniel isn't there to introduce us to the world of the Transformers. He's there to show the passage of time from the series to the movie and establish a legacy. Spike, the Autobots' human companion is all grown up now, and this is his own son, because his family are still close friends with them. And while he has a subplot, it's not the main focus. He's not even with Hot Rod's group on his hero's journey into becoming Rodimus Prime! No, we don't watch Transformers to see the adventures of the Whitwicky family, or Sam and Mikala, or Charlie or Cade and their assorted families. Or Rad Carlos and Alexa, or Kicker! Those characters have their places, but they should never have been the main focus of the entire story. Jeez, sorry for my own rant here.

[@torquetheprisoner]

it's an awsome movie all round good story it doesn't sugar coat things for kids

[@Kitsunekun2]

The 86 Movie had the touch.

[@R0-83-RT]

It has the power

[@Phantoon]

Yeah

[@Nemesis_Prime666]

Because It layed the foundation for everything going forward about transformers, and in my opinion the best movie everything about its just perfect It's literally what Transformers should be, I could watch it a million times, also it's really nostalgic for alot of people it hits that 80s vibe perfectly

[@Cobalt_Dragon0716]

Starscream: "Who disrupts my coronation??!!" Galvatron: "Coronation, Starscream? This is bad comedy!"

[@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0]

This 86 Transformers the Movie was mighty and spectacular. Fight scene were amazing. Hot Rodimus from radical delinquent into the chosen one the future leader of Cybertron/Autobots the matrix of leadership picks up a top class potential Supreme Commander as Rodimus Convoy/Prime. It was biggest adventure yet and faces Megatron was reformatted into dangerous Galvatron which Unicron influence in it. Optimus vs Megatron was epic for the last stand. Dare and The Touch are among the best rock n` roll music.

[@VeryPteri]

Even though it requires at least a little bit of knowledge of the cartoon, it stands on it's own. The animation is fantastic, and the story is creative.

[@elpizo1789]

I came to realize the 86 movie may just be TF Fandom's very own "The Princess Bride".

[@Undrave]

Bonnaventura is so symptomatic of Hollywood it's incredible. I like the 86 movie mostly because of the aesthetic, there's just nothing that really looks like it, and that Japanese animaton can really shine. Great soundtrack too. Story's whatever.

[@alwaysabiggafish3305]

3:15 it's really not even a chosen one trope movie. if anything, hot rod as the twist chosen one, is exactly that, a twist and a subversion, since we are led to believe Magnus is the successor to Prime.

[@R0-83-RT]

I am kind of thankful that I grew up during the Unicron trilogy because during the time of the movie there were toy commercials for Rodimus Prime, which sort of ruins the twist. Because I watched the movie absent of that landscape it allowed me to see Rodimus becoming the next prime as a surprise.

[@masterfarr8265]

I like the 86 movie for its legacy. It gave us characters like Ultra Magnus Kup Blurr Hot Rod Arcee and Unicron. I can’t imagine the franchise without these characters.

[@gaylordfocker7990]

Unicron was cool. The others were lame.

[@INFERNO95]

It not that hard to image it whitout arcee.

[@EddyBamber]

The TJomega holy grail for me is a full 86 movie watchalong

[@davewaren270]

The reasons i think it so highly loved is the ambition of it. The balls that Hasbro had to kill off the previous years line while introducing new guys, the actual scale of thier world is expanded, the soundtrack is an absolute banger, and the animation was top notch for the time. Not to mention the sound design, the voice acting and the general pacing of the film. Yes, the script is a bit goofy in spots, but it is targeted at kids.

[@Bona_D._Roosky]

As a kid, my show was Beast Wars and Beast Machines. My best friend showed me the 86 movie and it was epic. After that, I found the Rhino VHS tapes at Blockbuster. It was an awesome time.

[@Gametester110-qf8vs]

*I find the character of HotRod/Rodimus Prime* to be very inspirational. Rodimus Prime is also my all-time favorite TFers character. A big part of which is due to this Amazing movie.

[@vriderch1360]

I have a feeling this was made because of what Lorenzo said. I will say that I only saw the '86 movie a few years ago. I clearly recognize it as a toy commercial, but it's a movie that does something rare, and that's a movie that gets BETTER with age. All the new characters that debuted in the movie are so ingrained in the franchise today.

[@skystreak1983]

Michael Bay clearly wanted to make a movie about his manly military men saving the day from snarling alien monsters. It probably caused him mental and emotional anguish to treat some of the robots as actual characters with dialogue and personalities.

[@POWERtothePEOPLE-GP78]

I was 8 when the movie came out! Yes, I did see it - but to be honest I'd been told that it said Optimus would return at the end, I think - so I wasn't as devastated as some kids! I must have seen it quite late in the run, here in the UK maybe? When I got a bit older and watched it again, I saw the artistry in it. The opening sequence is particularly good. The shots of the moving parts inside of him and then the way his rings illuminate as he flies away really shows that he has 'consumed' Lithone. It has it's faults and it's very much a product of it's time, but it's still a great movie that has aged well.

[@rainydayman2k]

Hey, I got the shout-out today! Yay! I still listen to the soundtrack periodically. Hell, I've even edited the tracks in Audacity to make them line up more to how they were presented in the movie. Vince DiCola's score is just fantastic. As for the perspectives the respective films have, that's a big deal too. The live-action series has been too obsessed with the human perspective of these alien machines, and while human-perspective characters have existed since G1, most of the time they were never the main focus.

[@masterfarr8265]

In regard to this movie, to quote Monty Python and the holy grail, “Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who”.

[@twistedgaming9185]

Fun fact: Wreck-Gar was voiced by a Monty Python.

[@masterfarr8265]

@@twistedgaming9185yep

[@mindwipe8788]

That opening scene of Unicron traveling between binary stars before arriving at Linthone, it’s still to this day a haunting image to me, the Battle with Unicron and Grimlock and the Dinobots literally “Kick Butt” is another scene I enjoy.

[@garethjones2746]

I just love the energy the movie brings. Ok I do like hot rod. But it’s the music and seeing transformers in an epic movie. It just radiates good energy in places.

[@cuddyfox6973]

The reason why I love the movie still is it is a cartoon and not CGI animated.

[@jeremydoud4885]

The ‘86 movie was the highlight of my childhood! Awesome 😎

[@isaacsussman5632]

I always thought the argument "its just to advertise new toys" just...isint an argument. Like in any sense. Fundamentally it doesnt engage with the material and "this is bad because of the intent" is simply an anti art sentiment. The movie, and transfomers as a whole, works because talented people who cared about making a decent product. You sell toys by investing people in what that toy is supposed to represent. Sandstorm remains one if my favourites not because they flashed his toy on screen over and over with "buy,buy,buy!" Over and over like parodies of these shows do, i like him because the ending of his episode was profound to me. genuine crativity sells shit. It takes just as much skill to create a world and characters for toys as it does to make a "passion project" no matter what the soul behind it is. The movie is beutifully animated, massively shifts the status quo, introduces all kinds of insane locales, tells a simple but effectively portrayed story, adds all kinds of lore, Unicron is a genuinely Top tier sci fi concept, actually letting characters die adds so much weight to these beings that hasbro literally didint see it coming. Weather we like the intent or not this movie essentially invented the larger TF mythos. Compare this to the gi joe movie from a year after thats not as well animated, not as strongly produced, wussed out of killing duke so lacks that oomf, and only shakes things up by adding new slightly different characters. No one cares about that movie anymore. 86 was made to sell toys, and they made sure it SOLD those toys.

[@INFERNO95]

They care about the theme song from the movie

[@karatgaming5792]

Thought you were gonna miss a day, but glad to see you having the patience to upload great stuff every day...I'd never have that persistence, you're the GOAT TJ!! 🤯

[@cartkart1]

i’ve noticed so many of my favorite movies have a similar theme of the hero facing an unfathomable evil and simply saying “no” and that working to solve the problem that idea of radical hope in the face of your seemingly certain demise is so powerful to me

[@TonySalazar933]

Still my favorite movie ever. The soundtrack was the soundtrack of my childhood.

[@ShadowWingTronix]

I'd also add that the original movie knows it's a kids property but respects the younger audience. The curse words were a bad idea and adults weren't happy (I'm glad some of the recent home videos lets you choose), but it took the war story, added in a huge sci-fi element, but remembered that it's still for kids. Adult collectors and fans hate it when I say that, but I'm older than most of them so I don't care. Transformers wasn't created for 80s kids, it was created in the 1980s for kids. None of the Bay films cared about kids, yet still was somehow more immature in its attempts at humor. (To quote from this movie: this is bad comedy.") So it wasn't bogged down in cynicism but instead embraced things a child would like to see and does it without insulting their intelligence. It's more fun and imaginative as a result, and it's made by people who care about what they're making and its place in the franchise rather than using an IP for immature "adult" humor and flash without substance.

[@Cdr2002]

THIS. Thank you so much for saying this. I wish more of the Transformers community as un-self conscious about the “for kids” aspect as the movie is. Kids media can be great and has been great and we don’t need to contort every kids franchise into something stereotypically “adult” to justify our enjoyment. I will always take an Earthspark over a Revenge of the Fallen

[@NerdRahtio]

That’s one of the big issues I have with the new Skybound comics, I can’t share them with my kids!

[@ShadowWingTronix]

@@NerdRahtio They don't even have to be "kids comics". Marvel and Dreamwave's runs were all-ages stories that remembered both age groups were reading and tried to make something that wouldn't offend either side but still entertained them. This leads to more readers rather than less.

[@LorzIX]

It's because of the hbomberguy video. "My transformers midlife crisis" purposefully overthinks the movie so much I ended up falling in love with it. Made me realize that, even if a movie was never meant to be peak cinema, sometimes you can find your own meaning and interpretation and enjoy it much more. Plus of course the animation is gorgeous and the soundtrack is so charming, it's a pop culture touchstone.

[@Ascendedninja6]

I enjoy the energy it carries from beginning to end.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I know Optimus is a beloved character and the backbone of the Transformers franchise, but I think bringing him back was a mistake. It undercuts the weight of his sacrifice in the movie and ultimately negates Hot Rod growing into Rodimus Prime as his successor. It would have been interesting to see what could have been if Hasbro stuck to their guns and kept with Rodimus as the leader for the remainder of G1. All Optimus all the time kind of dilutes the character and makes him feel too untouchable since we know he will always come back.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

EVERYTHING about the 80s was and still is AWESOME!! i hope the magic of the 80s and 90s can return at least one more time before i die. i have hope.

[@MegatronEnthusiast]

7:40 it’s beautiful until you realize Unicron is in the foreground.

[@jackdubz4247]

Speaking as someone from the UK, my experience and appreciation of TTF:TM goes beyond the film itself, as we in the UK also had TFUK's Target: 2006 story arc to hype us up into the stratosphere; not to mention the comic's various story arcs featuring Galvatron, Unicron, Rodimus Prime, Kup, Blurr, etc once the movie had long departed cinemas and was on its way to becoming a cult home release on VHS. It's a shame that TFUS did so little with the movie characters.

[@happybuttersblast8334]

I personally loved the 1986 movie because they dared to go dark and kill off characters. I wish they didnt kill off so many but still it was also teaching how vile war actually is, it can take your loved ones in the blink of an eye. Taught me so much even if the primary reason was just to clear the shelves for new toys lol. For some reason no matter how many times we see "the heroes journey" in tv or movies, just something about the formula hits with people. Its a classic and legendary for a reason.

[@skysamfreeman]

I was an Armada/Energon kid at the time who had never seen anything else from the franchise. On my 10th birthday I went to Hollywood Video to look for stuff for my friends and I to watch. Saw that there was a Transformers movie and it was the first time I’d ever heard of it. It was my introduction to G1 lol. Watching it for the first time was so surreal but incredible. One of my favorite animated films. Been lucky to catch the theatrical re-releases over the years too.

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

It was a good movie that told a good story and people still being upset Optimus died 38 years later need to MOVE ON 💀

[@R0-83-RT]

Honestly for me I feel Optimus Prime's death is a positive of the movie rather than a negative. Optimus coming back at the end of the movie would have felt meaningless, and his death scene was probably Peter Cullen's best performance as the character.

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

@@R0-83-RT I completely agree, it was much better off with him not coming back. It felt like a daring attempt at something new and I will always respect that

[@R0-83-RT]

@@harrisonwhaley7872 Also something else to factor, the movie doesn't exactly work plot wise without Optimus' death. Optimus Prime's last stand against Megatron has to happen in order for the Decepticons to retreat, and for Galvatron to happen, Optimus Prime's death is what leads us to getting information about the matrix in a way that feels like a natural consequence of the plot rather than exposition, Optimus' Deaths is essentially what causes the Autobots to be on the run the whole movie with fractured leadership, and Optimus Prime's death is required for Hotrod to have a proper hero's journey. The whole movie is built upon the consequences of "what if Optimus Prime died?"

[@Paul_1971]

Just because it didn't move you, doesn't mean to say it left an impact on other people - that's the sign of a good movie. Who gives you the right to tell people to move on. People like you p!$$ me off.

[@INFERNO95]

​@@harrisonwhaley7872 Optimus is the face of the franchise whitout him hasbro would not still be around cause transformers is there most successful franchise. Anyone who think transformers would still be around whitout Optimus is lying to themselves or have there heads in the sand.

[@logansehy5677]

Was a kid during the unicron trilogy but used to rent the 20 year anniversary version of the 86 movie all the time from my local video store.

[@R0-83-RT]

Same, though ironically the movie opening with "the year is 2005" didn't feel odd to me because my thought process was, "oh so the movie takes place this year".

[@logansehy5677]

@R0-83-RT yeah I never really thought about that lol, I just thought unicron was really cool

[@R0-83-RT]

​@@logansehy5677 I get that, it's just kind of funny that because of the time when we watched the movie, we were basically divorced from the idea that the movie is supposed to portray the future.

[@logansehy5677]

@R0-83-RT "It's the year 2005" Me: Yes it is

[@R0-83-RT]

@@logansehy5677 lol

[@samurexatlas7373]

2:12 >How dark it is I can think of two, MAYBE three dark scenes. As opposed to Bay's Quintelogy where if someone isn't dying every minute it's a miracle.

[@autumbreeze1129]

What's funny for me is, because my viewing of Transformers G1 was so ridiculously sporadic due to it only playing on TV here in Australia back in the 90s (and my family wasn’t exactly living the high life, so we couldn't afford to just go out and biy the VHS tapes whenever we wanted) before school (which also meant I couldn't watch it unless I was ready for school before the show started), the only death that hit me in the movie was Optimus himself... and even then, that didn't hit me hard because, by that point, they were playing G2 by the time I saw the movie, so my kid brain went "wow. Optimus died. Good thing he comes back later on". So, no traumatising me because I already knew he'd be fine😅

[@Mecha82]

As some one who didn't see cartoon back in day and aw it later on got while also having gotten exposure to TF stories from comic books (same with G.I. Joe) that could do so much more than cartoon I really like that they dared to kill off characters and show that war has it's cost. Yes it was made based on cold corporate logic but it worked to point that 86 movie is highly regarded among adult part of fandom.

[@happybuttersblast8334]

at least for right now its impossible for transformers one or any newer transformers movie to beat out the nostalgia of 86 movie. Nostalgia is that powerful, It will be 10 years before people in their memories it can compete as long as its good of course. But if you want to judge it by its story, characters and arcs, animation smoothness and technical aspects and be unbiased in doing so then thats fair but this is a problem we are having in society today with so many franchises, expecting things to come out and compete with 80's and 90's nostalgia just wont happen and instead it leaves people disappointed.

[@xxgoldmansionxx]

as a guy who only ever saw the 86 movie literally last year, I actually loved the movie. Granted most of it probably came from the historical significance given how many staple elements and characters of the franchise were introduced in the movie but y’know regardless of it being “good” it was at least very fun to watch. I saw this movie after doing a marathon of every Transformers movie at the time and hoo boy was it a good idea to save this movie for last after seeing TLK and then only being a bit less bitter after Bumblebee. (No offense to Bumblebee I liked it but y’know being a smaller in scope spinoff film it can only do so much)

[@FairladyZ2005]

So well said TJ! TFTM 86 is still my favorite movie of all time. I'm actually looking forward to Transformer One because it's a Transformers movie about Transformers.

[@inesatt1313]

Everything in it is awesome

[@NerdRahtio]

I was born in 82. I saw the movie after seeing Optimus Prime as a father figure in the cartoon. To me, it showed hope in darkness, including that young people like myself (then) could step up on the shoulders before us and push forward. It was like it was my permission to join the fight in good vs evil. Also the music Rocked!

[@KRBrickBot]

19:33 Wow that’s Knuckles the series to a T.

[@jameszetterman4487]

Even though it was made to sell new toys, they really made it feel earnest and sincere and heartfelt. It really feels like they respect the audience in a way that has been almost entirely lacking from the other movies.

[@professordolt7159]

Because I was mostly homeless as a kid and when I wasn't and I could rent the movie from a rental store I was stable so I attached watching the movie to not living in a shelter or car... To honest? Yeah my life was hard

[@Cdr2002]

I’m very happy you were able to get stable, sorry you had to go through all that 🫂

[@samurexatlas7373]

9:05 We've had one scene where doom and gloom were shot out with music ROTB Scourge's arrival.

[@marshallwilson7077]

Yeah but doesn't compare to Megatron and Starscream killing primes main lads to hair metal lol

[@samurexatlas7373]

@@marshallwilson7077 I'm talking Unicron's introduction

[@R0-83-RT]

3:17 I'm not sure I would call the way the movie got rid of the old cast cold and callous. Hasbro's motivation for killing off the characters, yeah sure, but in action I'm not sure I would agree. I would say it would be callous if characters were killed off with zero effort, without effecting anyone in the story, but people in the movie are shown effected by the deaths happening. Optimus Prime's death in particular is beautifully tragic and is the crux of the plot. The attack on the shuttle acts as a good horrifying indicator how powerful the Decepticons are, and Arcee dragging Windcharger and Wheeljack's body shows the horrors of the battlefield. The deaths in movie serve a narrative purpose along with being given proper attention, and with the task handed to the writers by hasbro I am not sure what more the writers could have done to make the deaths feel meaningful.

[@brettlopez8406]

TJ’s really trying to get us to rewatch the 86 movie 😂

[@Trebleshot]

So... the 86 movie team dared to be stupid? 😏 Still love the 86 movie even after all this time. And it was my 3rd theater experience but the first one I went without my parents.

[@BattleWarPath]

Some place I heard the best description of this movie, "It's Heavy Metal for kids"

[@jessmarz649]

I think you hit all the key points, however maybe there is am added bonus for people who were born around the late 70s early 80s bonded with this movie since it had a very dark story telling most people around that time enjoyed.

[@nobodyhere8257]

One of my favorite movies ever

[@BASS131]

The 86 movie was my first exposure to transformers. I can sit down and watch it from start to end any time. I might of hit a limit to that a little bit due to my son watching it sooooooo much though when he was a bit younger. It might not be much of an original story, but it’s still better than what we have gotten from the live action movies for the most part. It’s probably one of the reasons I like heavy metal so much as well, that and my dad listens yo the genre as well.

[@MikeD974]

I love the movie for 1 thing with all the cartoons on at the time it killed characters alot of cartoons were to childish . Then they gave Optimus an emotional death . It was dark , great music gave me Galvatron my favorite transformer . The Hot Rod story another favorite character. New enemies the quintesson's . Love it still watch it once a year too and I love the story a huge threat Unicron wanting to destroy everything and the matrix threw hot rod the only thing to stop it and save the day.

[@ShaneFussell]

I would argue the music in the first movie at least is fantastic. Optimus transforming??? The highway chase??? Cmonnnnnn that shits iconic in its own right! However, instruments of destruction will always be more hype

[@abrahampedroza7246]

The 86 movie did a lot of fantastic things. A perfect storm of those positives you mentioned. I honestly will defend the story. yes it is template plot of the hero's journey, but that is a very good template. I think a better metric to to compare it to the plot of the average G1 episode and then the movie looks like Shakespeare. it is finally a story that really mattered. I will also defend the use if music in the live action films, really more the original trilogy. music definitely mattered, definitely aided in their memorability. Prime's arrival to mission city. the somber song when they show daybreak in Chicago, What I've Done by Linkin Park roaring into the credits that literally inspired memes. who used music better is a worthy debate because I think both did it well.

[@realnovadamus]

Excellent video, and I totally agree with most of your points. In particular, the music is really good. The Touch is a legit bop that people enjoy outside of the movie. This film broke my little heart and I still love it. Optimus Prime is my favorite. Hot Rod is my second 😂 I wonder why?

[@destinybennett666]

The soundtrack made me love music as a kid.

[@Micktrap397]

It’s was actually an improvement over the show that was based off of.

[@trailersic]

BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME

[@user-hq8vb8ok5n]

It's a movie that's more awesome because of weird al yankovic is infinitely more awesome then the Miz.

[@twistedgaming9185]

Weird Al even voiced Wreck-Gar in TF Animated (they tried to get Eric Idle, but he was busy with Spamalot). And now he's the voice of Cosmos in TF Earthspark.

[@tommy_rotten3984]

My major problem with the bay stuff is the focus on stupid and non relevant humans.

[@Alverant]

Soundtrack was awesome.

[@RialVestro]

I think the reasons why the 86 movie is actually so good is because it actually has a story and characters. The live action films do not. I mean there is a SORT OF story but it's constantly contradicting itself which is weird because the plots are actually pretty basic. I could describe the plot of each movie in ONE SENTENCE! How does a ONE sentence plot manage to have more contradictions than there is plot? The 86 movie is actually a lot more complex because really there are about four different subplots all happening at the same time and they all work with each other rather than against each other. And then there's the characters... as mentioned the 86 movie basically kills off most of the original cast in the first ten minutes and if you didn't watch the show for the first 2 seasons up to that point you have no idea who any of those characters are except maybe Optimus Prime who has the most screen time dedicated to him. Everyone else is just sort of forgotten about. But it's also a movie that introduces a bunch of new characters and they're all pretty well developed characters for their first time ever being on screen. Arguably the worst character in the entire cast is Arcee who's entire personality is just being a girl but you still know who she is. I can't say that about any of the Live Action movie cast. I showed a friend who is a casual fan at best both the 86 movie and the first two live action films and he was able to follow the 86 movie just fine without a problem. During the live action films he was constantly asking me who everyone was because the movies don't even bother to tell you the name of over half of it's cast. The only reason I even know who any of them are is because I looked up the freaking cast list online before I even saw the movie otherwise I wouldn't know either. And in some cased even after looking it up and years later I still don't know most of the Constructicons names. The movie and Hasbro's toys have never even been consistent about how many Contructicons there even are in the movie. They aren't treated as characters to the point where their names really don't even matter because they're just slapped on for Trade Mark purposes anyway. There's also the action... because the 86 cast are so visually distinct it's easy to follow what's going on. With the live action films everyone looks basically the same. They don't have distinct appearances. Grindor is suppose to be a separate character from Blackout but they don't even have a distinct color scheme to tell them apart so I just treat them as the same character. Everyone looks like walking piles of scrap metal. So the majority of the time I have no idea what's happening.

[@saimaidar9417]

One issue I had with 86 movie wa the Autobots lost 95% of their numbers in just two battles, how did their war last more than 4 million years?

[@defenderprime8046]

As a kid from the 80's myself, growing up with G1 Transformers, I can see the point you're making to compare this movie to the CGI ones we got since 2007. It's not the same thing, I understand the fact that we see humans interact and be more the focus in these movies, aka Sam Witwicki and Mikeala, I also know that CGI is expensive, I'm not sure how better the movies would have been without human interaction, but they were on Earth, like it or not, the Transformers will have to deal with humans at some point like in G1. Was there too much focus on humans in the movies? Perhaps. They will never be perfect, no franchise ever is. I am looking forward to Transformers One and see how all this will unfold, no humans in this movie, which could be a good thing, but the next movies? Only time will tell.

[@cabbitkisser2620]

too bad we never got to see a unicron or an arcee toy back in the 80's i would buy them

[@johnhughes6487]

I think it was the very first movie i saw in a theatre. I would have been 5 years old

[@edschukar8030]

Any chance you're heading to Ft. Wayne for Botcon in a couple of weeks?

[@b003]

Liked everything but Rodiumus.

[@misterpeterman]

Was the 1986 movie perfect? No. Far from it. Was it entertaining? Absolutely. It also had the guts to play with much higher stakes, even if one of them, killing off Optimus Prime, was an extremely stupid decision. Then again, the fact that it’s been about thirty-eight years since this movie came out and we’re still talking about it because of that corporate decision, maybe it wasn’t as bad of an idea as we first thought. Don’t get me wrong, it was an incredibly bad idea, but it has kept us talking about the movie.

[@mitchbray6637]

I love the '86 film for the introduction of Rodimus Prime, for the story and also, for all of the things you mention. Yo me, the only live action Transformers movie that even comes close to the emotional relam for me is "Bumbleee". I love that spinoff film. it was fun and emotional and had heart. ANd then, I like the 2007 film. Fun and competently made. Rise of The Beasts was also good. My only problem with "Bumblebee" is that it sometimes hits you over the head with the fact that it takes place in the eighties, but other than that, I love it. And in fact, that's not even a big deal for me. Also, I think that Got Rod/Rodimus Prime's hero's journey is better than Luke SKywalker's. And disagree about "Bumblebee". I think that it was evelny split between Bumblebee and Charlie. Also, unlike Sam and Bumblebee, Charlie and Bumblebee have some real interactions. I love that film. It had a Gobots like charm to it.

[@virtuosoification]

i hate the choices made by the corpos but they fd themselves by teaching us and showing us how important og optimus is and everyone else they offed there are few movies that have brought me to tears as an adult / never watch plague dogs it will break you

[@SuperGamefreak18]

the live action movies having music, you mean the generic songs that sound similar sometimes

[@Ranma_Leopard]

For me i think it was Orson as Unicron and weird al

[@JoseFlores-xc7wu]

Because it is about the transformers and not about the humans like every other transformers movie that has come out ever since they should be call humans and some transformers here and there

[@Hurricanelive]

I personally think ONE will be to many of the current generation that The Movie was to Gen X. You would never get The Movie made outside the 80s. They would simply never exist outside that time frame, like most films around that era. They couldn't be done, or done even marginally as well after the 2000s.

[@jz2060]

Like I don’t like the G1 cartoon that much, but absolutely love the 86 movie

[@zoltanperei4789]

As a Transformers fan somehow I like the GI Joe animated movie more than the TF movie.

[@lynngreen7978]

Lorenzo talked me out of seeing Bumblebee in the theater. I bought in in the bargain bin after critics I trust said it was good. Lorenzo talked me out of Rise of the Beasts. Still never seen it. Waiting for someone to explain who they fled Unicron, and landed ON Unicron. And how Unicrons Heralds were unaware they had returned to him. Lorenzo has ensured I have no interest in TF1. If he would shut up, sales would improve.

[@reidanderson328]

Could you clarify your questions about Rise of the Beasts? I'd love to try and explain it

[@Cdr2002]

None of what you described as things Lorenzo has said actually happen in Rise of the Beasts. I hope that clears it up.

[@lynngreen7978]

@@Cdr2002 If Bumblebee and RotB are prequels, then they do. Because Earth IS Unicron.

[@lynngreen7978]

@@reidanderson328 Bumblebee and RotB are supposed to be prequels to the other movies. Where Unicron IS Earth.

[@reidanderson328]

@lynngreen7978 those movies are set in a kew continuity, they are not prequels to the Bayverse movies. Things like Unicron not being Earth anymore and the Autobots landing on Earth far before 2007 prove this. If Lorenzo has said in the past that they are prequels, then it proves he's actually rather disconnected from the movies he has a producer credit on. And that stuff he says shouldn't be taken very seriously.

[@Micktrap397]

You know come to think about? Didn’t they have a large budget to Make the Transformers main focus now? Seriously, they should’ve used enough money to make them the main focus on the sequel.

[@twistedgaming9185]

Paramount is known to be cheap. The reason the Transformers live-action movies focus on humans? To reduce the cost of CGI.

[@Lanier2369]

I think I'm the only one that doesn't care for the original non instrumental music that was in the movie (dare, you've got the touch, all the music with lyrics to them). I'm not bashing anyone that does like them. I just never liked them myself. I love love love the movie. Huge fan. Just not those songs. But they don't take away from my enjoyment of the movie tho so...

[@alwaysabiggafish3305]

Gotta be honest, I absolutely can say 1986 movie is better than Transformers One just based on the released footage. I don't really know how to explain this further, but if there is enough content in that trailer that points in the direction of modern animated movie sensibilities that you don't like or you don't think suit The Transformers, it's not going to suddenly change just by watching it from start to finish. I don't think Despicable Me/Minions animation/humour or pop music suits The Transformers at all. Anime, metal and a grimdark universe though? Yeah, that's the ticket.

[@matiasmarcelotoledop]

I like this movie, but i don't like that the movie it's about (almost) everyone not from the first and second season, i wish it was actually about Optimus and the crew, not about the new characthers

[@ryanweston6182]

The 86 movie was pure Transformers. There was no actor ego or shareholders who needed their new car line shown off for 120 mins out of a 125 min movie. Of course it was made to sell new toys, but just like you said. They didnt understand the gravity or weight of the story they presented to us back then. Every episode was about some form of social etiquette. Friendship, cooperation, how tondeal with other qwerks, knowing when to sacrifice for the greater good. How to recognize selfish intentions as well as selfless intentions. That is why this made such a long lasting impact to our lives. Sure it was made to sell a toyline but they gave it some substance and character types to latch onto. How many kids loved Gears grumpiness, or Tracks' vanity. Things are rarely made with such substances anymore. I feel bad that all these kids have today to latch onto is Fortnite, or GTA5.

[@NerdRahtio]

DiBonaventura is a cancer on Transformers and Joe. Yes it was great he helped get TF more exposure by getting the movies made, but they weren’t great movies and he consistently demonstrates he doesn’t understand either brand. He needs ditched.

[@bobagorof]

I've been saying (since they came out) that the Michael Bay movies should be called The Humans, because they're they focus of the movies. The alien robots happen to be there while the humans are doing stuff. I've heard the explanation being that they were trying to appeal to a wider (human) audience, but there are a multitude of non-human characters that audiences will identify with so this reasoning doesn't fly with me. The other major flaw of that argument is that if you're trying to appeal to an audience by using human characters, you shouldn't be concealing the existence of those human characters in your choice of title (see my initial point). Pick a lane.

[@Cdr2002]

It’s just a really really fun, really well put together movie, and thoroughly enjoyable from start to finish. I hate when some TF fans get self conscious about liking it and preface discussion with “well it’s not actually good but-“