Why Do Women Get Upper Lip lines | Dermatologist explains Causes & Solutions

[@janereinhardt4715]

My youngest sister, 57 years old, has smokers lines- very severe. She has never smoked. It does not run in our family. My theory is that she is a sign language interpreter, making lots of extreme facial movements 40 hours per week!

[@iarshintasudjana4382]

Makes sense..

[@msprecious3498]

Wow possibly , is she hydrated stressed wears sunscreen ? My sister in law smoked never wore sunscreen plus has bad genetics she looked 50 at 30 now 50 looks 75 :( I put number 110 on my face and chest , not bad for almost 58, I just started wearing sunscreen in my late 30’s as lines appeared , my parents still don’t wear it ! It’s slowing the wrinkles. A little anyways

[@hawaiimetis3363]

That’s me too! I’m a signer and lots of facial expression. No Botox for us or we can’t make correct facial expressions for visual grammar markers.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

I would think that would give her more protection due to that and face exercises... hmmm

[@msprecious3498]

@@patriciagriffin1505 right I thought that too so super chatty people are wrinkled and quiet people have no wrinkles hm

[@maryklatka5989]

The "talking reason" makes so much sense in my case!! I've been a receptionist (talking and answering the phone all day) for over 30 years. Lots of lip lines at 66 years of age and I have a long upper lip. Just going to live with it.

[@msprecious3498]

I’m sure you’re still beautiful 💝

[@maryklatka5989]

@@msprecious3498 Thank you!! And you are beautiful, too, I just know it! I certainly smile a lot and enjoy my job. No one seems to mind my lip lines, LOL!

[@msprecious3498]

@@maryklatka5989 aw thnx 💝

[@lorrainebettencourt7972]

Bought angel lift for 69.00 helping

[@Doriesep6622]

And me a teacher LOL.

[@Preciousmiller1]

Lady's Stop using straws when you drink your drink. Stay away from it straw. That also cause lip lines. Save lip line. When u use straw, it's like smoking a cigarette. Don't ever use straw 😁 that help allot too. just drink from cup without a straw. And save the planted while your at it. Keep from getting into the ocean. Have great Holidays, everyone ❤

[@aditiacharya2270]

thanks a lot. but what do do when drinking lemon water or ACV water? thanks in advance

[@chrischamberlain7628]

I saw a man the other day who had upper lip lines, so I think some can get them. I also have been deliberately looking at all men’s necks. Their necks seem to wrinkle & sag just as much as everyone else’s do. We sometimes don’t notice because they have them covered up with a shirt & tie. Personally nowadays I think women are aging much better than men.

[@sandraderendy2134]

Dr Lim is highly intelligent and great at explaining complex subjects. Amazing!.

[@SilverAspen1]

I have noticed that too :)

[@SincerelyKristen]

I've been dermaplaning and microneedling for years 🙌 What I would REALLY love to learn is how to prevent skin from sagging or even more..the facial muscles from sagging. I think that shows age way more than wrinkles...sagging skin.

[@amd8095]

Krist, does your face hair after dermaplaning still the same thin? I am concerning that if I do it my face hair will grow thicker 😬

[@SincerelyKristen]

@@amd8095 does not grow in thicker. It's an old wives tale 😉

[@Ayyeliki]

Guaranteed method: stop getting older . 🤣🤷🏼‍♀️

[@VeroSCIA]

@@amd8095 People think their hair grows back thicker, meaning each hair is thicker, because when you shave a hair and it pops through the skin, it's blunt on the end. Hairs are typically pointed, so a blunted end feels very different until you get used to the process. You'll love how your skincare applies and absorbs into your skin. I find less is needed. Also, foundation and other cream products look lovely. What's the worse that can happen? You don't like it and you let your face get hairy again.

[@soniamessinger3086]

Try Jawsrsize to help with sagging.

[@tanyahouston5635]

As a non-smoker I am saddened to have upper lip lines on my otherwise youthful looking face. What if I start shaving my upper lip?

[@jeaniekeel6835]

It doesn't help in my opinion. I'm 57 and my "smokers lines" are really deep. It's the first thing my eyes go to when I look in the mirror. I just hate them! Unfortunately, not only do I have the smokers lines, I also have dark hairs that grow around my upper lip. Ive been shaving my upper lip for about 5 yrs now and it hasn't helped my lines at all..

[@sira451]

Thank you so much for this EXCELLENT explanation! Unfortunately women's face and neck skin wrinkles much worse than men for many reasons. Genetics plays a big role. All we can do is try to prevent and diminish these wrinkles. Nothing will return our 20 yr old skin but we can improve the look of our skin by following this great advice. Thanks again!!!

[@ctrl.alt.delete.7045]

I think shaving helps men also .

[@sirij8784]

I date girls 10-15 years younger than me and even then find most girls have older looking skin that mine. I thought I was going crazy but glad there's a scientific reason for this

[@kristinj6298]

This was so helpful! As I age, I'm glad there are so many options for lessening the effects of time. That and I'm glad I've been on the spf train for a long time!

[@iggybiggy821]

Thanks for this video! Finally a full explanation of causes and fixes for lip lines. Have research to do on some of these suggestions as some I've tried and some already doing. Need more help in this area LOL! I know those ablative lasers and strong peels really work as I've seen the results on others but man...rough go before the final result is achieved. Comprehensive vid thanks!

[@donnalee2310]

I watch a lot of videos and I have to say I learned a lot of new things from this video. Thank you!

[@missmayflower]

I haven’t seen you for a long time and am shocked to see all your tanning and sun damage!

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👐👏👏👏

[@heatherdixon5724]

Guess I'm letting my upper lip hair grow wild!

[@kolourgen1762]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ricebeansrockroll882]

I have started seeing adds for more and more "at home" products, I'd love to see your take on them (especially what you'd say are the dangers of them). Like at home lasers like Nira (I'm sure there are others, just mentioning the brand to be specific of what type of product i mean), microcurrent devices like Foreo etc. I see them pushed a lot by influencers, kinda like dermarollers a few years ago, and I'm kinda curious on your take.

[@sassygrammy1258]

I am 79 years old and have never smoked in my life, but I began getting a mouth that looks like a drawstring purse in my 70s. I probably spoke more than 20,000 words. Every job I had was customer service and I spent hours on the phone.

[@WhatwouldJanedo]

First time I have actually heard the full explanation of the lip lines - ie the hair follicle too. Make more sense as I use sunscreen, Vit C, retinoid etc

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe👐👏👏👋

[@cynthiaproffitt8326]

Very informative! Thank you, Dr. Lim!

[@sha1658]

Genius! thank you so much! I did a 'lip flip' w/ botox (dermatologist) and I'm going to ask her about the tiny bit of botox to put in my upper lip -- one line, really. At 67, and southern calif. living all my life, I'm lucky to have a little as i do.

[@mp-bi2ty]

please, have an updated video on microneedling. Can microneedling-dermapen cause permanent broken capillaries? Many questions about potent side effects

[@erinrozanski5013]

I am 41 and just starting on Retin-A. Excited! I've used Differin for about 8 months, and before that, a couple of years of The Ordinary retinol - all with really good results. These more intense interventions like deep peels etc kind of scare me, though. I heard someone say they used a dual fraxel laser and it made their skin sag, and it's never recovered. I worry about this type of thing. OTOH, I've heard that hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women keeps the collagen quite intact and skin from sagging. This supposedly comes with risks of cancer, ahh - but what I heard is that in fact the risks are overstated and are not really that bad (provided it's started early enough). I am not at the stage of requiring this yet, but I will be looking into it more. Until then, I am very happy with my retinoic acid and my Vitamin C cream from Derma-E, which always brightens up my skin. Thanks for your videos! 💐😊

[@Lila.T]

The mask comes in handy here. It protects against the sun :)

[@annjames1837]

Mask wearing leads to some serious oral issues such as tooth decay, bad breath, and inflammation of the gum. Oh but it protects against the sun...coo coo

[@justachick3935]

I have Ehlers-Danlos so the collagen my body produces is faulty. No matter how much collagen I produce it is always going to be faulty. So I looked younger than my years for most of my life, and still do actually. At 60 I still get mistaken for 45 unless people look closely, and I have almost NO grey or white hair! However, when the collagen breaks down it actually looks like a break or scar in my skin!

[@tacobelle69]

Upper lip wrinkles are the worst. My mom did the lasers you spoke about. They worked beautifully but only for a couple years 😭

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👐👏👏👋👏

[@debbiefox6846]

Another simple reason people can get upper lip lines is from sleeping on our sides or on the stomachs. It creases the skin every night for hours. Heredity really has a lot to do with it too. Vitamins do help. I used mango butter on my face because the molecules are too large to plug up pores. Most people think I look 10-15 years younger than my age. Also scowling is something I avoid as well. Not wearing sunglasses causes people too squint or not wearing your prescription glasses and mire squinting. Not drinking enough water also causes wrinkles. I also rinse my face with water a few times a day & let it air dry. Rarely wear makeup as it can age women just by putting too much on.

[@janeta3509]

Where do you get mango butter? I use oil on my face which is great but it does clog my pores.

[@janetsmith2870]

Always use some type of lotion on your face.

[@lindaprice6242]

It's not the makeup itself that ages, but the poor or overdone application of it.

[@chalkiememe4183]

It feels like a long time since we heard from you! I found this really informative. If my husband didn’t have a full beard, I’d be stealing his razor as from now!

[@bethpat9]

There's a lot of razors on the market made just for this purpose.

[@olivegrove2615]

He would be extremely busy & South East Queensland hasn't had many covid lockdowns so he would have been flat out at his clinic.

[@cupofsugar]

Davin girls call it peach hair not bum fluff 🙄

[@kolourgen1762]

😂😂😂

[@Vonononie]

I know it as bum fluff (I’m from SE England) and I’ve heard the term used in Australia. I think peach fluff or fuzz came over from USA but is now taking over as the nick name so it might also be an age difference thing

[@acoco6715]

wow. I loved that and enjoyed learning new knowledge about cosmetic dermal science every day as a dermal science student. thanks Dr Davin!!

[@deliarealtor]

Glad that study was debunked. My husband speaks much more per day than I do.

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👋👏👏👏

[@mimimoon6082]

I love this doctor! Super smart and very informative!

[@virgolupina5172]

DONT THINK SO!! TALK THINGS WITHOUT MUCH KNOWLEDGE,AFF

[@3ofus135]

@@virgolupina5172 ?

[@jojobee42]

If shaving helps.. then should us women to start "shaving" too? Just to keep the collagen production going?

[@JCX-9]

If you want the collagen production going you need lot of vitamin C.

[@Beez27]

I've found shaving is just as good and less expensive than buying the one touch device and replacement blades. The end results are the same imo. An over the counter retinoid (such as Differin) or Tretinoin (dr prescription) work to stimulate collagen along with Vit C and Niaminicides.

[@ginamihailidis4444]

Thank you for the information.My question is in your opinion which method has the best results or does it depend on the individual?

[@poorthing]

Just found this channel. Lots of great information, will be subscribing.

[@rubydazzler]

I always wondered if shaving helped men with facial lines! I might start shaving daily then, although at 75, probably a bit late to start now? Although moving on, I can talk for England, so yeah! Should have had a deep peel during lockdown! Interesting stuff though, thanks! x

[@Oatsweather]

Please talk about non invasive upper blepharoplasty ❤️ I hate no lomger being able to do a winged liner because of the droop Ive gotten but I feel too young and not ready to have surgery. However I don’t know if it can be treated with laser or whatever.

[@lynnharris6877]

Fantastically educational video. Guess I will keep shaving my 73 year old lined upper lip. 🙃 Thank you fir the detailed information.

[@kimberlydonohoe3427]

Where's my blade? I'm in the lightest skin color, too. Thanks, Mom. Why couldn't I have gotten my Dad's darker skin?

[@franward540]

I’ve just stuck a pin in my husband!

[@tuxedoneko9837]

🤣🤣🤣

[@katel975]

Errr…..where, may I ask, did you stick it?! Happy Christmas!🙏🎄🙃

[@crowredeye8066]

I must have won the genetic lottery. I'm 66, I smoked, worked in the full sun for 25+ years, am pale-medium color. No retinoids, no dermatology "procedures". I have 0 lines on my face. And I do mean 0. My grandmother had 0 lines at 86. I have some bags and sags but very few. What I did have was extremely oily skin, and acne way into my 40s, and the t-zone is still oily. I only started a true skin care regimen less than 2 years ago. Most guess I'm around 50-55. I'm OK with that!

[@wandaarnt234]

WOW great genetics....cheers from Pennsylvania 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎄🎄🎄

[@AvsFan32]

Everyone loves a bragger

[@crowredeye8066]

@@AvsFan32 bless your ❤

[@crowredeye8066]

@@wandaarnt234 cheers from the southlands!

[@gigistrailsandtales7203]

Heavier people have few wrinkles. That’s a fact.

[@leonamay8776]

Does plucking facial hair (waxing, treading etc) damage skin / increase the likelihood of getting upper lip lines? Thanks!

[@tracik1277]

Personally I don’t think so as I’ve been doing it for 43 years and don’t really have them. I think it’s mostly genetic. I was told by a skin doctor that basically we grow to get similar wrinkling to our parents. Didn’t make me feel too happy but hey!

[@leonamay8776]

@@tracik1277 I will most likely get marionette lines but no upper lip wrinkles (looking at my family). I'm 28 and my skin is pretty good in general (if I say so myself) but I'm seeing what seems to be the start of marionette lines. 🙄

[@vibrantchi]

Thankyou so much, reallly love how informative this explanation was and your touching on treatments. 😊

[@lizcarlyle2477]

Great video, wish u were here in Northern CA. Doctors here focus on specific treatments: lifts, peels, laser etc. Thank you.

[@theresaphilemon9012]

Wow, this is vital information, so much appreciate it!!

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👋👋👏👏

[@300books]

The real reason for lip lines is probably that men have thicker skin than women, not just on the face but on the hands and arms as well. It's nothing to do with talking or hairy faces, in my opinion. Also hormones possibly play a role in thinning skin.

[@whatwhat8524]

Absolutely! The skin on a whole man's body ages slower than a women's. We shave our legs but our leg skin ages faster than a man who doesn't shave his legs. If it was talking, you would see a dramatic difference between people like professors and teachers who talk and give lectures all day from people who have jobs that don't require much verbalization like truck drivers.

[@june06love06]

Very interesting video! But I have a question: doesn’t the vellous hair on the face help protect the skin?

[@meganNefarious]

I would imagine it's not even remotely close to being thick enough..

[@leonamay8776]

I was wondering whether removing the vellous hair with waxing (threading etc) increases the likelihood of getting upper lip wrinkles etc....

[@CaToRi-]

I’m a 55 y.o. female and I don’t have upper lips wrinkles. I think that is because since very early age, I was forced to use lip balm every night because of my dry lips. I put the balm on my lips and outside the lip line. I always have lip balm next to my bed.

[@ikblr6250]

You will be strapped to all this forever.

[@AlliListArt]

Fascinating and fab info x thank u Davin x Love Alli and Bella XXX

[@Artsy71]

Stress!! My husband of 30 years never told me I scowled and pursed my lips in my sleep 😖 My sister saw me taking a nap, she said I looked like I was doing calculus in my sleep😂😭 Horrible lip lines and 11s but my skin looks good for 70

[@lisag8463]

Fascinating!! And so helpful. Thank you!

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe👋👏👏👏

[@rhondajansenvanvuuren392]

Hello Dr, Thank you for your sharing your valuable knowledge in here. I am curious to know how to combat the corners of the mouth pulling downwards. I am 53.

[@drdavinlim]

Botox to DAO, fillers to the lower face, DL

[@lotetree6140]

Nice video doctor . Keep up the good work 😊.

[@drdavinlim]

Thx:)

[@fanicakibner3921]

What happened to finding beauty at every age? Now we need to be fixed up to keep up with the youth obsession. Look beyond and find intelligence, substance and charm in people!

[@drdavinlim]

Nope, everything is optional, I only discuss the science behind ageing, and give pointers to options. Yes, you are correct, it is indeed the choice of individuals. :)

[@fanicakibner3921]

@@drdavinlim Yes, I am aware that everyone makes choices as to their aging process. You make people look and feel their best. I just find it sad that people are choosing this empty path of vanity.

[@TASIAawful1]

Unfortunately most people are absolutely obsessed with getting older even 18 year olds with beautiful skin are having Botox

[@annjames1837]

2 Timothy 3 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For people shall be lovers of their own selves.. Looks like we are there!!

[@DiscoverDermatology]

Interesting Davin! Thanks for the useful info!

[@charlenegoskowicz2934]

Great info...right to the point. Thanks!

[@nadinafiveland3266]

Not a word about the Hormones, specifically Estrogen?

[@adasanchez5042]

So what if I laser off my upper lip hair?

[@louisab2687]

I had laser hair removal done on my upper lips years ago. Wondering if laser hair removal can cause more lip lines than if I hadn't done the procedure?

[@elsagrace3893]

Does waxing weaken the pillar of the hair follicle?

[@grnddesign]

What about a 15% TCA peel? Do you think a series of 3-4 might help smooth that area?

[@ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924]

Very interesting. Thanks for your presentation.

[@ErthaRizas]

Not many Black women get lip wrinkles. If so it’s because of the lighter skin or it happens later in age with us. So proud to be a Black American descendants of Enslaved Africans. We were always put down but we are beautiful also.

[@lindaprice6242]

I apply SKINN facial oil around whole mouth skin after cleansing face and then add Boots #7 Wrinkle Filler before foundation or no foundation I have vertical lines. It cuts down 60% in appearance. I cant afford procedures but this is the best I found. Yes, a side sleeper.

[@marymckay8283]

I’ve got these. Drive for a living. When you squint you tend to wrinkle your lip…

[@trinichandy3049]

Thanks doctor for sharing all the information.

[@tinalindsey1598]

Doc, is it ok for women to shave our faces with a regular razor? Pros, cons? Thanks!!

[@lauraescobedo3426]

Excelent! So good information and options

[@banditasydemas6120]

Thank u Dr.!! Funny thing my mum was complaining this week abt he upper lip lines saying her aunt has it & she inherited them ( hope I dont😋). Gonna show her ur vid and I am going to start detmarolling!!😁. Cheers!!

[@TheJalebe73]

I really wish you were in the US!!!

[@Blondie727]

Same. I need to find a great dermatologist on the east coast for a scar revision & Dr. Lim is one of few doctors that I’d trust. 😟

[@frumtheground]

@@Blondie727 Pretty sure Dr. Anthony Youn is based in New York. He has a KZbin channel, too if you want to get a better idea of him and his practice. I actually found his channel from recommendations on Dr Lim's channel.

[@mindygross3379]

Can we do a full, bare face video consultation appointment with Dr. Lim? And then receive a ‘referral’ of top docs in our vicinity for whatever procedures he thinks would work…as if he were going to perform them himself? 🙏🏼

[@jennyquezada9644]

Dr. Amiya Prasad👌🏼

[@АидаАлиева-ц9н]

So, facial yoga is bad for you then since it does use a lots of dynamic movements. Thank you I missed your videos.

[@sherryp538]

Would you treat with CO2 laser and Erbium the same day? Or space them a month apart from each other ? 3-5 sessions? Please answer

[@tigerofwu]

It's a good thing I've been shaving my mustache and sideburns for since I was a 12. 😅😅😅

[@ctrl.alt.delete.7045]

Plus men shave , which I think helps .

[@Sebza62]

Hey David. I have chronic actinic cheilitis. Just wondering if you could please do a video on it please so I know what the best avenue of getting treatment is. All Doctors I have seen in the past have treated it as cold sores and I’ve recently found out due to Dr Google that it’s actinic cheilitis. Thank you

[@ShoJ369]

This year I have developed these, I hate them, I'm 53.

[@nanacandice3678]

It means hair is usefull for antiaging to our skin?

[@nenelemon9004]

Well I never thought I’d be thankful for my girl mustache

[@amd8095]

Doctor, thank you for the video, but whether face shaving/derma-planing will not force fair to grow thicker on face? I really concern about 😬

[@lynnharris6877]

It does not cause more or thicker hair. If that were true, I would have a full beard and mustache from shaving several times per week.

[@meganNefarious]

shaving does not cause your hair to thicken. It just cuts it off with a blunt edge instead of a tapered uncut hair so it doesn't feel as smooth.

[@dianemurphy6589]

Dr David, can you can recommend a dermatologist in Sydney?

[@TTKS818]

Can i please please schedule a virtual consultation with you? I’m in America and can’t travel bc I’m incapacitated. I spent thousands in dc but I’m scared the laser is making my skin worse

[@astraguitarra152]

Will laser hair removal on the upper lip result in getting upper lip lines? now I'm worried that this may happen in the future, I'm 23 and have been doing laser hair removal on my face and neck for several months

[@jcjccmz]

Maybe it's not point of the studies or job of the "messenger" (hehe), but isn't the fact women do more of the child-rearing one major reason why they end up talking more? They spend their lives trying to make sure their children and neighbor's children ( as well as their elderly parents and dumb husbands) are doing OK, being taken care of, their needs being met, etc.? They spend their lives helping their kids learn and getting socialized.

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there ??

[@Anniefawesome]

I have one from drinking Starbucks all the damn time.

[@Alice-oe4kd]

Thank you - very informative. A question - when I shave my face I use a rotary instrument (Finishing Touch). Does this have the same derma planing effect as using a razor blade? It seems like it wouldn't.

[@21972012145525]

Good question, would love to hear the answer dr!

[@Pesto_O]

I don’t think it does… I’d guess it’s because it doesn’t scrape the skin

[@marleneharden544]

Hello stranger 🙋‍♀️ you have been busy 🙏 great vlog on lip lines...🙄 I hate them and it runs in my family alot of hair on my upper lip so I shave it..I Hate Getting Older...thank you for sharing..😇

[@carolann6158]

Great information, Thankyou!

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there ??

[@whooopsiesssssssss9770]

Now I wanna grow a beard instead of getting my lips waxed🥱if my future husband has issues with me he can go and shave his too and I will shave mine🥰normalize woman having facial hair

[@elsagrace3893]

Is derma-planing or derma needling more effective?

[@meganNefarious]

needling

[@canamy9160]

Yes another thing, drinking with straws. I just found out from a Dema straws is so bad for the lips.

[@cce5477]

Not only women, men too!!

[@kyleparker775]

Glad I get a few whiskers, often have to shave

[@anitat9727]

Wait so lasering my face is a bad idea?

[@robinburros141]

Very informative!!!

[@bryanjaon2550]

Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there ???

[@AHfhjfjd317]

Thanks for the video, but there is not enough research to support the idea that women on average talk more than men. There is actually more support for the reverse.

[@joycemcleod8249]

Should women start shaving their upper lip?

[@evamoustaka4048]

Thanks for all that information, l was always wondering, why us, l am 52,dont smoke, however, l have been taking huge amounts of heavy medication since l was 17due to lupus, and now immunosuppressants after a kidney transplant. Can't do any of these therapies on my lips (face is smooth due to cortisone!!!!) any suggestions, doctor? 🙏🙏🙏

[@universe25.x]

Growing beard 🧔‍♀️

[@freestuff67]

wow so interesting. Good topic!

[@jszocska615]

Wow! I did not know they could be treated … unfortunately I think mine are too far gone - it would take an act of God, and he’s got real problems to address!

[@eaglechick22]

Tretinoin vs. derma planing....wouldn't Tretinoin do the trick?

[@mindygross3379]

I’ve been trying it, but so far all it seems to do is make the area look dry….with lines. Next step I’m thinking about is carefully applying a 10% or 20%TCA solution. Maybe it can peel the lines off? Your thoughts on this, Dr. Davin???

[@roxemary]

@@mindygross3379 if you are going to use a chemical peel stop the tret for the previous month

[@iggybiggy821]

@@mindygross3379 Same for me, tret just dries out this area and lines don't budge. I've seen the results of strong peels and lasers and they're great for wrinkles but down time can be challenging AND I've seen hyperpigmentation and de-pigmentation results as well. I"ll keep the lines rather than run risk of permanently de-pigmenting or hyper-pigmenting my face.

[@mindygross3379]

@@roxemary Thanks for that info. Appreciated!!!

[@mindygross3379]

@@iggybiggy821 I’m honestly terrified of what you describe happening, and that’s why I haven’t moved forward on it. I’d like to do some kind of laser on my face (fraxel?) for textural reasons, but the hyperpigmentation is a worrisome concern. Microneedling did nothing, and tiny Botox injections were very temporary. Topical products such as Needle-less Serum, Argiriline serum, etc., temporarily help smooth on a per-application daily basis. I do believe we freak out way more about those lines than we should. We are soooo hard on ourselves……..

[@ash_leigh_robyn]

Interesting. I have a friend in her thirties with alopecia. She has zero facial hair and has quite a deep upper lip line. My upper lip is pretty fuzzy at 29 so hopefully I don't get them lol. Maybe I should start shaving my lady stache. Also, I'm NOT a big talker (often fewer than 100 words a day probably) however I am a singer. And occasional smoker. But diligent sunscreen user because I don't tan so much as I break out in freckles