Why Don't Xenos Get More Love In Warhammer 40,000?

[@worldwar1flyingace645]

Xeno players aren't asking for their faction to go Super Sayan (like Imperium has TWICE now with Primaris and now Custodes), we just want our stuff kept up to date. Way too many of the kits are way too old. GW is putting out *beautiful* models these days, so there's no excuse in my mind.

[@sugarsammy7209]

Jefferson Robsion yeah, it's a real piss-off when entire new armies are being pumped out in amazing plastic sculpts, yet other factions are supposed to play with shit looking metal/failcast models that are 10+ years old ffs. Thats total bullshit and sure at the end of the day, they make good money off imperium players, but they alienate the rest of the faction's players.

[@Bahiti-wv7yh]

I’m a tyranid player and I can relate, some models definitely need an update like the biovore

[@gametoons8504]

Well there is a huge excuse for it... money.... developing new models is expensive... and for GW all xeno armies combined wont generate as much income as space marines.

[@JamesSerapio]

Xenos have so little attention that new Deathwatch models will be chubbier and come with coffee & doughnut options, with seated battle poses. 😁

[@johanandersson4351]

Looool

[@Gormathius]

Now I want a fat Tyranid eating cake.

[@joshuahollowell9170]

It's funny that people ship xenos players together like they are the same, that's how bad it's got

[@simplyharkonnen]

joshua hollowell Ah yes, the three main factions: Imperium, Chaos, and Other

[@sugarsammy7209]

Yep. The main protagonist/antagonist and then the "background" characters that didn't get a credit at the end of the movie.

[@crackedhammer4612]

joshua hollowell ALL XENOS LOOK DISGUSTINGLY THE SAME TO ME, YOU FUCKING XENO LOVER YOUR HERESY CAN NEVER BE FORGOTTEN THIS IS SO HERETICAL THAT IT MAKES ME FORGET TO USE PROPER GRAMMAR USAGE

[@Kraluth]

Which is particularly telling when you have new folks like me that go Necron > Tau > Eldar > Tyranid > Chaos > Imperium. Imperium's just not that interesting. Chaos might have my interest if they ever gave Malal/Malice a go, but probably not.

[@jakkuhl6223]

Hey, Geedubs did it to you first by dumping you into an index set together.

[@Actalzy]

Xenos are what actually made me most interested in 40k. The man vs chaos is kind of boring and a bit overly cliche, xenos to me are what spices it up and adds more depth to the universe. But then again I've always loved anything not human, I am a human irl, so get to play one every day, when I do a game like this I personally want to be anything but a human. It is sad that GW keeps xenos around as pretty much filler, they have so much potential and the models are great.

[@sugarsammy7209]

Actalzy +1. Those are my thoughts as well. Also with humans vs chaos, it just feels stale to me and just dragging on.

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

OMG I thought I was the only one..gods you two make me feel that my choices have reason. As being a human life is may but when you get to be anything but human gods its so much more fun.

[@sugarsammy7209]

Sephiroth Black-dragon yeah, anytime there's a choice to be something other than a human, I always pick non-humans. It's boring being the same thing you are irl when you can shake it up and be different. A good example of this is Skyrim, why would you pick a plain old human when you can be some freaky shit?

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

So happy to find this selection in the comments I hope you enjoy any thing you play that has non-humans !

[@bubbasparxxx12]

Men vs men (Chaos) then play AoS. If there is only men on men action why is it Sci-Fi, if you are in a Sci-Fi Universe you should fight the freaking Aliens and not kill the other Humans. Otherwise call it the Heresy Game make a Game of Thrones setting (with less BJs but more Gore) and then you have it, fuck the Sci-Fi Setting.

[@jmaitland5709]

I think with the galaxy being split in half after the fall of Cadia, GW has the perfect opportunity to show Xenos some love. The Earth side of the rift is still the Imperium's home territory, while the eye of terror is still Chaos, but the side of the imperium cut off from Terra could easily fall apart and have it's planets taken over by Xenos, maybe with a few bastions of the imperium holding out like the Blood Angels. Would be a great place to set an expansion of the Tau, a new Ork Empire, or a big Tyranid invasion, while also keeping it fairly separate from the Man vs Chaos war.

[@LeonNFG]

Min NSMH could even have ork Waaghs against the Tau, ss the old hegemony looses hold another steps up to grab more territory, but with expansion comes the need for military to defend the holdings, which could also lead nicely into gradual changes and splits in the Tau - aided by the growing size, and increased autonomy of regions further away.

[@tylerthiessen9484]

With the separation and seclusion it could allow for more Imperial world's to join the Greater Good for protection, thus further expanding the Tau Empire and building on their tension with the Empire and other races.

[@DATskorge]

"ork empire" they'd be their own biggest threat lol

[@dannyscott14]

This would seem like an excellent plan. I'd like to see the Tau expand in particular, not in terms of models especially but lore, I feel like the idea is that they are going to be the next dominant race after humanity and I'd like to see them growing into more of a proper threat to the Imperium, ideally with some good setup of pros and cons to being imperium or tau empire so its suitable morally grey.

[@DannyTube69]

Min NSMH then again there'd be one xenos at least that is left alone

[@cactuscoe9096]

It's kind of weird that there is a "main story" in 40k, from the perspective of a Warhammer Fantasy player. Before Age of Sigmar came around, every army was the strongest and the best according to their codex, with humans being just a blip on the radar. Nobody at my game store even played humans, they were kind of underrepresented. Everyone loved vampires, and skaven, and orcs, and lizardmen, and dwarves. You can ask "ok what's the story of 40k?" and someone would answer with the Horus Heresy. If you ask "what is the story of Warhammer Fantasy?" There just isn't an answer. The betrayal of Malekith for Elves, the invasion of Lustria by Clan Pestilens, the Lady of the Lake for Bretonnia, Nagash for the Undead, they all had their stories and none was above the others as the posterchild of the setting. Then I bought some Necrons, I got into 40k, and got into their lore, the C'tan, the War in Heaven etc., and it took me a long time before I realised there was "a primary conflict" and they were a secondary faction.

[@arsesmith346]

yeah, the old fantasy setting was much better at giving all the factions equal footing. it was more balanced in its approach. with 40 K it feels like "why did they even make armies for these other factions?".

[@danielbateman6518]

I wish ol' warhammer fantasy still existed... I got in to warhammer too late so they don't even have the faction I'd collect (Brettonia) anymore.

[@jiado6893]

My introduction to Warhammer 40,000 was the 1st Dawn of War strategy game, and it’s campaign. I was fascinated me was the conflict of all the well defined species with vastly different, but still intersecting, aesthetics and moralities. More than one of them could have been viewed as in the heroes, yet they were all set on a course of annihilating of the others. I’m talking of course about the imperial guard, Elder, and Tau & Kroot. Even the orcs were strangely sympathetic, because it didn’t feel like they really acted with a true form of malice or prejudice. The Imperium caught my attention because of the tragedy its dystopia and racial prejudice towards other rational species. Chaos was interesting to me just because my teenage self had never seen so much gore in any fictional setting. I didn’t really know what the Horus Heresy was, just that it was some battle from way back when. For the last half decade the big focus has been Imperium versus Chaos, as a throwback to classic good versus absolute evil. That fits fine in the Warhammer FANTASY setting. But it’s precisely what makes Chaos boring to me in the sci-fi setting. Are the different aspects and branches of Chaos interesting? Definitely. Do things like the Demon Engines have some of the coolest designs in the entire setting? Absolutely. But I’m not intellectually invested in the conflict when one side unironically wears belts made of baby skulls. (Though again, I still appreciate the novelty that most settings won’t let their villains go that far into evil). In fact, when Chaos came into prominence again with the Great Rift, I actually felt extremely worried. I was worried GW was going to unceremoniously #}*~ing blow up the entire setting like they did with Fantasy. And I admit, even though I find them cool sympathetic, I think there’s something worrying about portraying the Imperium as the unironic “good guys.” Although I suppose that GW’s depending on people to look into the subtext after being taken in by the marines and battle nuns.

[@MrMViceroy]

It was the main reason I loved fantasy so much. It had a much more diverse focus. There was no one "good faction" and "bad faction" like in 40k. It felt like a real world, because everyone had a stake in it and there were a lot of races who could be considered "the main guys" from their own point of view (even the Tomb Kings have a claim to this). 40k and AoS are, to put it in a nutshell, simpler. The good guy is over there, the bad guy is over there, and there are some other guys too (but don't worry about them, they'll never do anything to upset the status quo).

[@music79075]

@@danielbateman6518 i got into WF with Total Warhammer but i had always wanted to play tomb kings. Right when i was able to afford it AoS came out. :/ right asni started learning the lore too. Im sticking with WF as its more interesting to me. I do not like High Fantasy where everybody and their mother is slinging spells like meth in a trailer park.

[@keanueraine]

Back in October 2017, a few friends convinced me to buy into the warhammer universe. The main 2 player kit with the rulebook and chaos marines and space marines just didnt grab me. Looking over the product wall at my store one faction did grab me. Tau. Now I knew ABSOLUTELY nothing about the warhammer 40k universe at this time, but damn, that ghostkeel model and the riptide model and oh boy the stormsurge...damn, those were sexy models. A Tau starter set later plus their index I was ready to take the plunge. Thanks to those Xeno models I delved into the warhammer lore focusing on the Tau empire and of course the Horus heresy lore. From their I've been hooked. So absolutely GW needs to focus on the Xeno's and make them bigger players. I'd love to see a book with the Necrons encountering the Tau, or the Tyranids invade a major human trade world that the Tau just happen to have been "observing" and they offer their aid. So much story potential with the Xeno's.

[@horacethehippo2445]

At least Tau has newer sculpts than many others

[@thisfool89]

I found warhammer a few months ago thanks to painting videos as i was trying to find new inspiration for fishing rod building. The Orks got me hooked. I bought a starter set, war boss with nobz and a set of stormboyz. When i realized how many more options there was for space marines i was a little disappointed in the options for the Orks.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@horacethehippo2445 I ain't an expert, but I'm pretty sure there are sculpts older then the tau faction as a whole, it's just inexcusable

[@joelcassin7486]

Orks krumping before the emperor and still krumping after.

[@Earadon]

"I'll krump with ya, sweetie~"

[@squigin3380]

Keep on krumpin ya gitz

[@Stukov961]

I've played necrons since 4th. The key to being a happy xenos player is to realise that you're essentially playing an NPC race. That said, both necrons and dark Eldar did receive massive reworks an a large number of new kits. (after having been ignored for at least a decade each, but still) Orks need new kits, the Boyz kit is old enough to drink. Same for the regular chaos marines.

[@Memento--Mori]

Compared one of my Black Legionnaires to a Primaris Marine. The huge difference in the models quality... sad.

[@revanruler6404]

Imagine how the poor adepta sororitas players feel

[@o0Takeno0o]

@@revanruler6404 this didnt age well :D

[@thekelsek6337]

You must be one happy fellow now😄

[@FrogEnjoyer17]

The Boyz kit is so old, they became the Manz kit

[@colinjustice420]

I think the big problem is you can not play "Xenos" in the same way you play chaos or imperium. For example if you play space marines you will possibly buy the new custodies stuff to add to your current army, but if say they announced a huge new range of orks; people who play eldar, necrons, tau, and nids wouldn't really care because they can't use it in their current armies.

[@jacksea3814]

This is a problem of their own making. Previously Orks have been able to build an army from 4-5 books. Kroot Merceneries existed. There's been the ability to ally multiple kinds of eldar, or even diverse xenos factions.

[@sentientmeat8975]

The fact this video is three years old and still nothing has changed is truly depressing.

[@UrluckUR]

You know what's notable about the 1st edition rulebook? The way the Horus Heresy and the traitor legions go unmentioned.

[@jacksea3814]

Chaos as a faction was created out of needing to excuse less minis in a spinoff game.

[@Argosh]

GW are the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen.

[@nev3rcore]

I just started collecting a Tau army, but after the Custodes codex was released and seeing the reaction from the community it sounds like this is slowly marching towards being a 2 faction game. Or at the least, the Xenos armies won't get any new models and GW will just hope players will get bored and buy different models. Either way it sounds lame

[@TB--sp9wy]

nev3rcore I'm about to start a Dark Eldar army. I've never cared for Chaos or Space Marines

[@thug4lyfe]

@@nev3rcore What's annoying is that the Xenos codexes do not have enough perspectives from the xenos themselves.

[@zenakuokami7344]

Necrons need more major interactions with the main parties, they are one of if not THE oldest races in the world, definitely one of the most technologically advanced, and they have some (admittedly less unique characters than there should be) and we have some of the most terrifying items, be it ship, weapon or troops, we have things whose sole purpose is the extermination of all life it can find, we have entrapped and shattered star eating gods and somehow, Somehow!! We get so little fluff in the grand scheme, one of our characters is the Collector from marvel kicked up to 11. Our biggest boss character (not counting the silent king) Imotekh, is one of if not the best strategist to ever exist, (but still stumbles against orks) he would rather cut off the hand of an opponent to shame them, even if they might come back later to cause trouble. Also we have access to the web way, Trayzin the Infinite could and likely has, entered the emperors palace and walk out with one of the Emperors teeth. All our leaders are Crazy to varying degrees, one still thinks he is fighting the war in heaven. Wow that went into a rant, my bad. On a side note one thing I'd love to see, is for all xenon races to get a primaries type range of their own. (Also plastic models of all our characters because FUCK RESIN)

[@Earadon]

Zen Aku Okami I actually love that last idea, like for example the krorks returning for the orks~

[@Memento--Mori]

The Tau and Necrons (my favorite Xenos) need love!

[@19Crusader91]

The narrative problem with Necron is that they have veeeeeeery few characters that can think for themselves. And if you take into account that each and every necron warlord is doing its own thing instead of... oh i dont know.. maybe trying to find other tomb worlds to aweken more necros and murderfuck the entire galaxy they just do their own little things. There needs to be a major shift in their "wold view" to make necros a real threat.

[@jerryjezzaberry5009]

19Crusader91 anrakyr the traveller and all the preatorians are going about waking up tomb worlds, I think we need the silent king to return and have all the characters fall into line beneath him then we can be a focused faction fluffwise and GW can make us into a threat once more.

[@MadCowCrazy]

Here is some insider info I read, take with as much salt as you like but knowing GW this seems very likely: SM are no longer selling as well as they used to. It's due to the market being flooded with with them and you can get them for almost nothing from ebay and most shops have used armies trade days or sales. GW has decided to introduce Primaris Marines and to phase out regular marines in the coming years in order to maintain sales numbers. Every single SM kit is going to be replaced with Primaris replacements. You can still use the old models but the new Primaris kits will contain options not available to the current marines range. The current plan is to phase out all old kits in the next 5 years, the fluff is already advanced enough for some chapters that they have been completely replaced with Primaris marines. Chaos Undivided will get Primaris Marines to replace all the current kits, only the 4 chaos god chapters won't get them because their chaos infusions will get stronger to rival Primaris Marines. Fabius Bile is the source of Chaos Primaris and the book detailing it is being written as we speak. GW realizes that their product is aimed at kids but they can't afford to buy the products. This is why the focus on SM is so high because those armies are cool to kids whilst most xenos aren't. 93% of everyone who starts 40K has bought a SM kit, the problem is that when the people who got into 40K grow older their views change from SM being cool to SM being noob armies. So a large percentage of older players unload their starter SM armies and buy something cooler. As they are in a much more stable financial situation they usually sell the models for cheap just to get rid of them. 0.10-0.50 cents per models is almost the standard. The problem is two fold, prices are too high for kids and older players want to unload. The reason trades or sales are banned in most GW shops is because it undermines the sales of that shop. Shops have also become unfriendlier towards old customers as they do not want them as they don't buy as much as kids and if they introduce friends to the hobby they let them buy or borrow their models. A person introduced to the hobby through a gaming club or friends is likely not going to buy a single kit directly from GW. So because the sale of SM models have gone down so much GW introduced Primaris as it is believe that this will cover the lowered sales figures as it forces everyone to buy new models. There will be people who quit the hobby or simply refuse to buy the new kits/get bits from bits sellers but these are hobbyists who no longer contribute to the sales figures anyway. There will be new plastic kits for older marines but they are aimed at Horus Heresy players. All SM vehicles will also get redone with bigger versions for Primaris and with weapon options not available to the current ones. You can expect the first one before the end of the year. :End of Explanation: This is what I read from someone "in the know" last year and we did get the Repulsor but suck on that salt stone as much as you like. It was explained in more detail so what is above is probably not 100% accurate. To me it does seem plausible, who can deny that SM are aimed at kids and that kids are the focus market of GW even though they can't afford their products. How many in your local group or online friends started with SM and then unloaded them to play something "more interesting". SM are a noob friendly army, easy to understand rules, easy to paint, super hero fantasy etc etc etc As you get older you realize it and dump your army either because you got bored or to start something else. Heck if anyone came to our club and wanted to start playing SM they could get everything for 50-90% off retail, allot of starter edition marines they could get for free as they have no value. Why would they want to though when Primaris Marines from Dark Imperium are also a pump and dump army that you can get for cheap. Personally I'm guessing 2018 will be another power armour year, we will most likely get more Primaris kits and vehicles for them. Xenos will get their books of course but no new kits, at most old metal/failcast ones redone in plastic. Then again I'm insane so what the hell do I know.

[@lesleyhutchinson7065]

In my opinion I think the actual problem is that GW have changed the focus. In the early days of the hobby the focus was varied. The idea was war was everywhere for everyone. Xenos were important in that they have their own nemesis to deal with.

[@kimonskretas5610]

imo another issue is that most xenos are written in a manner of xenos vs imperium. So it's hard to have a huge clash of orks vs necrons where you could have huge things happen without threatening the imperium or the chaos vs imperium balance. I would like to see more things about the interactions of chaos with orks , necrons , tau or tyranids. Maybe a huge ork empire on top of a necrons tomb world or tau falling to chaos (propably not khorne).

[@Gormathius]

"How would you drive people to the xenos factions - personally speaking?" With a gauss flayer.

[@SaaWeeWeeRockyStudio]

That is a event know as War of the Beast were almost the entirety of the Ork race united behind six warlords and almost to conquer the galaxy. There's a series of 12 books base in that event called The Beast Arises.

[@ethanphilpot7643]

Those books are fucking terrible though

[@KonradCurves]

ethan philpot I heard the opposite

[@russellwilliams9437]

i stocked GW about 3 years a go, thay contacted me and sent me a box of goodies to see if i or my customers would be interested, what did they send me basically 3 boxes of space marines and a box of storm cast paladins (basically AOS space space marines). GW never changes !

[@Vermbraunt]

They need to do more with the Xenos factions. When they released the teaser for the custodians I was certain it was a new xenos faction and I was rather annoyed that I was looking at another human faction.

[@wellhungindung]

Games workshop: we've just done some special marines (Primaris), what should we do next? Intern: extra special space marines? GW: Good call. Let's really take a giant dump on xenos players and they can just suck it until we feel otherwise.

[@DATskorge]

wellhungindung It's purely about the market. Don't be angry at GW, be angry at people who only buy the poster boys. GW is playing to where the money is.

[@Memento--Mori]

DATskorge Bullshit. It's not about the faction, it's about the new models. PEOPLE BUY THE COOL, NEW MODELS, If Xenos get the amazing quality models that GW has been making, they would sell just as well. People aren't buying the poster boys, they're buying the new models which look great.

[@jensendoesgaming]

True, but they could at least have waited a few months until all the existing factions got their codicies. We all knew Custodes would be coming eventually, its just the timing that sucks.

[@crackedhammer4612]

wellhungindung at least GW can't make super Primaris marines again

[@nathaneardley7394]

agreed, they said that all the existing factions would get their codex's' by the 1st year anniversary, I don't think that we are going to see that if they continue to make imperium factions before re-releasing zenos armies.

[@abramnotabraham2253]

I love the idea of more narrative push for Xenos/imperial or even Xenos/chaos conflicts and interaction. I agree that that's going to be one of the best, most organic ways of cementing the roles of Xenos races in the bigger universe (and driving up sales). If the great rift allowed for some actual dark side of the galaxy stuff to take hold, with desperate human populations fighting last stands against rampaging orks hordes, if the Tau race at large actually had to confront the reality of the Chaos threat in earnest, if maybe a consolidated Hive Fleet flourished on the Dark side of the Imperium to the point where it threatened both imperial citizens and Chaos's interests, if some Necron dynasties could stay awake long enough to start committing a genocide of psykers, for example, AND they all had the black library support (and maybe some new models to help the momentum), then I think we'd be looking at a very inclusive gaming community, and a lucrative alien renaissance for GW. Sounds win-win to me.

[@dank_smirk9971]

Y'all are here wondering why don't xenos like Orks, Necrons, Tyranids, etc don't get enough attention, while I'm over here wondering why GW hasn't made any Rak'Gol models yet.

[@Mandalorian92]

I remember the last few years quite differently as a chaos player. We didn't get any love for years and I had to use an outdated codex and a ton of supplements to be somewhat competitive. We also have alot of ancient models that still desperately need updates. Even our basic marines are old sculpts. My main army, Khorne Daemonkin, also no longer exists on tabletop. It wasn't until Traitor's Hate when we were finally getting some love. Certain Xenos factions definitely had it better last edition. Having said that I would like to see this year dedicated to factions like Orks and Nids.

[@blindoutlaw]

Man vs Man. sooooo, Lawfully Evil Man vs Chaotically Evil Man is what you’re getting at

[@torinjones3221]

blindoutlaw evil is a matter of perspective.

[@sofakingcool1555]

I think you’ve said it nicely. The xenos need to be more relevant in the lore. Even if they are not fighting the imperium they can fight the other multitudes of enemies available.

[@torrentstone]

Chaos vs Empire are the main story with xeno as mostly environmental hazards.

[@Spacefrisian]

Chaos...excluding Slaanesh vs Empire you mean right? Cause GW hates Slaanesh, despite them claiming otherwise on there own facebook page.

[@Patrick-nh6un]

Feels bad man😭😭

[@wellhungindung]

torrentstone Umm..I believe there is a phrase for that, it's called 'The Horus Heresy' you might have heard of it? I understand it even has it's own set of rules! 😨

[@torrentstone]

It also has a pretty good set of books

[@wellhungindung]

torrentstone I've listened to quite a few of the audiobooks, some of them were dire and some excellent. But you comprehend that special marines are not the main subject of discussion but you dragged it back there anyway for whatever reason, right?

[@aliciacarr9014]

Sitting here exactly four years later and smiling a little as the Eldar are getting their refresh, the Necrons have been refreshed and the works have had some nice new kits as well. :D

[@Johmpa]

What bugs me about the apparent disregard shown to the non-Eldar xenos factions is that at least two of them, Necrons and Tau, seem to have a tangental connection to the main conflict and a potential place in it if GW only would choose to explore it. During the War in Heaven the Necrons routinely fought warp-spawned powers during the latter stages and have some know-how of how to defend and counter it. The Cadian Pylons are an obvious example and there are hints that an ultimate goal was to shut down the connection to the Warp in it's entirety. That would be an existential threat to the powers of Chaos but would presumably spell doom for the psychically attuned races as well. As for the Tau, their entire pre-starflight history have seen some external power interfere in their development, sheparding them and via the Ethereals shaping their culture into the driven and (nominally) united force it is in the 41st millenium. There are tantalizing hints in pieces of lore about who this external force could be and what the goal could be. Some hints point to the Tau being set up as a long-term solution to the Chaos problem: A non-psychic, entirely secular race, with souls barely even registering in the warp, slowly but surely expanding their influence and beliefs across the galaxy - something not entirely dissimilar from what the Emperor tried to accomplish during the Great Crusade. Either of these could make for interesting storylines that could slot into the main narrative if used correctly.

[@justinjaramillo8062]

when i started with 40k i picked up demons because no one at our game store played them but almost everyone had a power armor army so for the longest time i wanted to say away from that because i like to see something different on the table and play anything other than marines. and thats a point i try and make everytime we get someone looking into the game but because humans good or made take up probably at this point 3/4 of the models out there thats what people lean towards. and it also doesnt help that it feels like if you play xenos you have a horde army so you have to put in twice the work just to compete with humans

[@Carmoth86730]

There is no point in updating Imperial factions, if there is no enemy to fight against. Xenos should get the love they deserve, especially Orks. Orks need a series update. I'd love to see a new Xenos army as well.

[@jensendoesgaming]

Most games are already Imperium vs. Imperium, but yeah, I agree, Xenos needs some love.

[@NurseGundam]

I have no problem purging the mutant space marines with my sisters if they get updated lol.

[@justinjaramillo8062]

orks need an update and about half the craftworld line need to be updated as well most of them are showing there age

[@NurseGundam]

The Dark Eldar could also do with having their characters brought back

[@justinjaramillo8062]

that would be great. or even options for archons where marines can have a leader on a bike or a jet pack or terminator armor or what ever, xenos leaders have to be cut and dry

[@SJdT0001]

Accidentally baiting the future with the Necrons now being the default bad guys for 9th and a load of new kits. Love it.

[@MrLizardqueen]

It hurts my soul that you are right, xenos players aren't getting anything new for a long time.

[@hydrogenone6866]

ORKS

[@TheMercenaary]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[@MrDavfo]

Kill Da Humies

[@jake_russ]

WAT WAS DAT? I CANT 'EAR YOU?

[@MrDavfo]

KILL KILL KILL ALL DA HUMIES!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jake_russ]

WAAAGH

[@lordchaosmonkey552]

Dammit I want my necron codex!!😠

[@Memento--Mori]

Yeeee

[@daswolfy]

I’d like to see GW start incorporating Xenos into more of their advertising and marketing. I’m not saying make a bunch of huge Tyranid posters, but at least include some of them in the artworks shown around local stores. I think some army boxes with Imperium/Chaos vs a Xenos faction would also work really well. Starting with a Blood Angels vs Necrons box or Nurgle vs Tau would have been amazing instead of brand new Primaris vs brand new Deathguard. And for the love of all things holy can Eldar get some updated modes? All of their aspect warriors have aged badly, and the Warlock is freakin metal? I don’t think GW has to try very hard to get Xenos more attention or sales. The cycle they’ve put themselves into and that you have talked about isn’t impossible to get out of, or all that difficult. Simply integrating Xenos into more public access and letting people see them more instead of only showing of smurfs and bloodletters isn’t much to ask for. I wish GW would at least release some kind of statement that they’re going to do more than make different colored power armour. But I’m not surprised anymore. They killed the Tomb Kings and I feel like they’re gonna kill off the Necrons too. Whatever

[@paulkasasian7990]

I feel like model counts have a big part of this. Units with high points value tend to sell well. Races like orks and tyranids sit in a weird place in that they are exceptionally costly and difficult to collect and paint. If you want to get people playing orks, look at ways to either bring down their financial cost, or raise the cost/value of their troops (a bit like AOS has moved mostly over to their 'ardboys). Personally I like the idea of the tides of troops, but when you're adding armies with 20+pts troop choices, you're really changing the dynamic of the game. Frankly I have a hard time finishing a six turn game in under two hours at even 1500 points, let alone 2000 (which seems to be where a lot of tourneys are going). The game overall is in a really weird place, with a lot of players avoiding base-line troops. You see lots of imperial guard players with armies almost entirely comprised of tanks. you see battle reports for "high point games" where players don't have big armies, just a handful of high value toys. It's somewhat disappointing to someone who has come to these games from the glorious age of 4th ed (which was objectively the best edition).

[@torinjones3221]

Who else thinks Kroot pirates should become an official faction. Or some pirate coalition. Maybe even independent humans from the Imperium but who also aren't Chaos.

[@jake_russ]

I would definitely play generic pirate scum if it were an option oh wait, I play freebootaz

[@blakchristianbale]

Torin Jones Kroot and Vespid both deserve codexes.

[@Katalmach11b]

I'll tell you what I want for Tau, is the ability to take Imperial Guard as allies and use them as Gue'la allies. There should be special rules for allying Astra Militarum with Tau Empire, and switching the special weapons for pulse rifles, like there was in the white dwarf special rules back in 4th or 5th edition or some shit. That would be super cool and add a lot of flavor to Tau Empire. Kroot could get their entirely separate codex.

[@LinkiePup]

I originally wanted to do Mechanicus for my first army, but I split the starter box with my brother, who said he wanted the marines, and then I picked up Necrons, thinking they're emotionless robots, why should I care. But then, when I got their codex, I started reading about them, and understanding what it meant. now I know that the Lychguard, lords, royal wardens, and Overlords have actual emotion, and character, and I LOVE them. They've been strangely been the one Xeno race, that is the most human. The Twice dead King Ruin, and Reign. The Infinite and The Divine. Those are amazing books, better than most books than most books featuring Astarties. I do hope that we get more love to the others, and that the Necrons, the main characters of 40k win, and become the true Warhammer 40,000.

[@spiceweasel8972]

Hell, I’d take some plastic aspect warriors, please. Building a lot of my army is still very expensive, and several in my faction have resorted to getting resin from China because no store carries aspect warriors here. They figure if they need to order from somewhere anyway, they might as well get a steeper discount.

[@captainthorrek262]

Coming from a Warhammer Fantasy to this, I don't mind as much; the reason being, in Fantasy the later Codex is the better Codex. This is probably why they didn't release a Bretonnian Army Book. If they did, the Earth might have cracked under the pressure of getting an update after so many years of stagnation.

[@theodorereggiardo77]

So GW wont feature the Xenos because the Xenos dont feature in the lore... that GW writes... and could feature them in..... Circular logic at its best/worst Xenos sells when given a place, It did in the past.

[@Gudbjarten]

Back in the Rogue Trader days, the orks where the main protagonist. It's a shame that the focus shifted.

[@JohnJackVancouverIsland]

Antagonist?

[@Gudbjarten]

John Jack Doh...of course your right. English isn't my first language...

[@jackthepally2667]

As a necron I would like to say this... ...Pariahs... ...this concludes the words from a necron player.

[@revanruler6404]

The only imperium faction that deserves New stuff is the SoB, i'm a xenos player and if they finally do plastic SoB I don't mind waiting a bit for my necron, dark eldar or tyranids codex

[@ren6108]

everyone talking about year of the xenos while im shaking my head..... when is it the year of the squats people, jeez

[@ren6108]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) shhh thats a secret

[@NurseGundam]

Squats are abhumans, like ratlings or Ogryns.

[@romanianrambo]

I see what you're saying about xenos being too much of a threat if they grow in scale or organise. However GW could always look at xenos vs xenos storyline arcs. For example, Tau growing too large and coming accross other races to push them back etc... I know that moves away from the POV of the imperium but it's a way to give them some love and demonstrate that their lore doesn't have to be linked to what the imperium is doing all the time. It feels like xenos are a strap on bad guy for imperium to destroy rather than their own unique race

[@meganvincent5381]

At the very least they should give the xenos more alliance options. That could give them an advantage for variety over the chaos and imperium.

[@EloquentTroll]

Imperium vs Imperium games are 75% of the games i've played, so I usually start the game by calling my opponent a heretic. A second Damocles Gulf Crusade against the Tau would make me happy. If I get back into playing the game I'll be playing Imperium (Sisters), but I would love to purge some Tau, Sisters aren't great at melee but they can definitely punch some fire warriors to death. And the Tau players will enjoy shooting half my army off the table before I get there.

[@restfullwicked]

Think about how fantasy players feel. The exact same thing there. 40k was more popular so it got all the attention and marketing, so fantasy suffered, so 40k got more attention and marketing, so fantasy suffered. And then they just delete the universe and remove every trace of it like they are ashamed of it.

[@JBAIMARK3]

I think one way to do it is to emphasise struggles between other factions on different fronts, for example: Conflict 1 (Generic fight against chaos) Chaos vs Marines Cultists vs Cadians Grey Knights vs Deamons Conflict 2 (Eldar convince Tau to help secure tombworlds TechP are uncovering in Rak'Gol space) Necrons vs Eldar Tech-Priests vs Tau Rak'Gol vs Vostroyan Conflict 3 (Mankind reconnects with lost worlds, a new frontier opens up) Dark Eldar vs Sisters of Battle Orks/Space-Skaven vs Squats/Demiurg Kroot/Space-Skaven vs Praetorians Conflict 4 (Nids attacking Tau space start to seep into Mankind, mankind not knowing whether to take advantage of or help the Tau) Nids vs Tau Kroot vs Catachan Genestealers vs Deathwatch Just so long as it's good vs bad/ugly fight that can be illustrated to sell the products I don't think there has to be a space marine on display. (Though you could also do inner turmoil, like Dark Angels vs Space Wolves, if only to justify all the loyalist vs loyalist fights on the tabletop, like the split of the roman empire.) Idk just spitballing, but I'd like to see some moves made away from loyalist chapters, I can't imagine how splitting the space-marine player-base is that helpful long-term.

[@NurseGundam]

They could definitely do more with Armaggedon vs Orks, new Steel Legion, new Yarrick, new and huge Ghazghkull, could introduce Orkimedes and other Ork characters that serve in Ghazghkull's Waaagh. Could be a really fun really large release like Armaggedon has served in the past.

[@JBAIMARK3]

I would always be up for more orks, Armageddon would make sense given Ghaz and his warbuggies need an update as do Guard-Regiments, you could set it elsewhere since Ghaz and Yarrick left to find a better fight and have Yarrick enlist a number of updated popular regiments. Personally I'd love to see a disturbing Necron focused problem on the border, maybe the void-dragon is manipulating the mechanicus amd guard into reenslaving dormant necrons, while Eldar-United try/fail to stop them. But 120% just do anything to split up the narrative and attention.

[@jonathankilby6636]

We need exodites.

[@blakchristianbale]

Jonathan Kilby plastic Corsairs would be cool as well, although of all the Xenos races Eldar probably need new factions the least.

[@jaidenwilkinson5320]

Wait theres a xenos?

[@dannyscott14]

For some reason this video made an idea jump into my head, probably not a new one I guess but still. Is it possible that the Tyranids are the final creation of the old ones, after they realized it was all going to pot they legged it into the void and made tyranids to correct their mistake (on the basis that chaos is worse than total absence of life, which I would suggest is a fair assessment). Any solid reasons why this can't be true? I think its my new personal cannon if not.

[@TalexTheLich]

Me: "Oh GW these dont look so bad... at least its not primaris... " GW:"I KNEW YOUD LOVE IT!" Me:"wait wut no they arent bad but id honsetly love sisters of bat-" GW:"MORTARION BEST MODEL 2017!"

[@vraska8799]

You noticed how GW has been building up the Imperium since the gathering storm? what IF they are preparing something big for xenos, like they are going to come a rekt everything, but for that they need the Imperium to be a lot more strong and confident than it was 2 years ago?... (now change "xenos" for "chaos" because, lets be real, that's what's going to happen =D)

[@hatem8909]

So I have a question. I recieved through a series of events a skittari start collecting set, a box of cataphractii terminators, a techmarine, and a shadow sword. I've taken a liking to all these units and would like to paint them in one scheme, but I'm having trouble coming up with any reasonable explanation that these forces would be together under one leader. Anyone got any lore friendly ideas?

[@TheSixYardBox]

So the answer is simple...write more lore on xenos

[@jiado6893]

My introduction to Warhammer 40,000 was the 1st Dawn of War strategy game, and it’s campaign. I was fascinated me was the conflict of all the well defined species with vastly different, but still intersecting, aesthetics and moralities. More than one of them could have been viewed as in the heroes, yet they were all set on a course of annihilating of the others. I’m talking of course about the imperial guard, Elder, and Tau & Kroot. Even the orcs were strangely sympathetic, because it didn’t feel like they really acted with a true form of malice or prejudice. The Imperium caught my attention because of the tragedy its dystopia and racial prejudice towards other rational species. Chaos was interesting to me just because my teenage self had never seen so much gore in any fictional setting. I didn’t really know what the Horus Heresy was, just that it was some battle from way back when. For the last half decade the big focus has been Imperium versus Chaos, as a throwback to classic good versus absolute evil. That fits fine in the Warhammer FANTASY setting. But it’s precisely what makes Chaos boring to me in the sci-fi setting. Are the different aspects and branches of Chaos interesting? Definitely. Do things like the Demon Engines have some of the coolest designs in the entire setting? Absolutely. But I’m not intellectually invested in the conflict when one side unironically wears belts made of baby skulls. (Though again, I still appreciate the novelty that most settings won’t let their villains go that far into evil). In fact, when Chaos came into prominence again with the Great Rift, I actually felt extremely worried. I was worried GW was going to unceremoniously #}*~ing blow up the entire setting like they did with Fantasy. And I admit, even though I find them cool sympathetic, I think there’s something worrying about portraying the Imperium as the unironic “good guys.” Although I suppose that GW’s depending on people to look into the subtext after being taken in by the marines and battle nuns.

[@gimmeaminett2859]

The addition of the Ynnari, and the ability to combine the dark and craftworld Eldar has definitely driven me to collect Xenos.

[@dank_smirk9971]

How to fix every single problem with 40K: "ADD THE GREAT-MIGHTY SPACE SKAVEN MASTER RACE!!" *squeak*

[@kitnaysa3340]

I am a Deathwatch player and I feel that the issues with the xenos races effects the Deathwatch's attention and love....

[@JBAIMARK3]

People play space-marines to fight cool bad-guys, not other space-marines, hopefully GW will understand that, Deathwatch is the one SM chapter I'd like to play, but who would I fight :(

[@kitnaysa3340]

SuperCaffeineDude I have never actually had a game against a xenos race, only against Imperium and Chaos. They can work surprisingly well against Daemons.

[@Quole1234]

Death Masque made me hate deathwatch more than any other color space marines. So much plot armor that it's disgusting.

[@davidteel7701]

A question to ask is whether Sigmar has the same problem. Order and Chaos are much broader than Imperium and Chaos in Age of Sigmar, and all the factions have weight to them, except maybe Death, and their time is coming. What makes the difference there?

[@jensendoesgaming]

I do get the sense that Stormcast Eternals are vastly more popular than the others, just looking at the number of releases they got. So it seems to me they have the same issue, just not on quite the same scale as 40k.

[@NurseGundam]

It's been a good while now and most of the old factions are still waiting for battle tomes.

[@calibrepowa1762]

kirioth would love to hear your thoughts on this when we get more info on the lore of 9th ed with the necrons seeming to take a pivotal role

[@thedrumstick394]

I think with the current way things are going the stage is being set for the Xenos to make a large comeback and make a serious punch as the imperium is taking hits example the blood angels world and dark angels so when the Xenos do make their push it’s going to cause some serious trouble

[@richardharrison4762]

You are getting a Custodian army? Are you going to convert them? If so could you show us and tell us what extra (maybe third party) elements you are using to make them unique?

[@warsmithandrath449]

In terms of home brewed rules/story: I am a loyalist Iron Warrior. The 13th Grand Battalion was on its way to the Sol system (pre-heresy) when it got stuck in the warp for 9,000 years. When we got out, we though three months had passed. After much speculation/investigation/discussion, it was determined that all ~3,000 Marines total, auxiliary forces, and ship crew would go on crusade while the people in charged figured out what they would do with them. 50 years in, the Warsmith and his command staff decided that this was not the Imperium that they swore to build/protect and dropped of Imperial radar. They set up camp to the south-west of Terra near the Ork empires and have been waging war for the last 200 years. All this is because I fell in love the Forge Worlds Heresy era Iron Warriors and didn't want to leave them behind when 8th edition hit. I've been working on putting together a home brewed codex of sorts that translates the Heresy era into 8th edition format. Doing well I think.

[@godofbiscuits2978]

I played firewarrior many years ago and when i came back to the hobby in 2016 I decided to start with the Tau because i liked the way the troopers looked in the game.

[@elf4914]

I think one of the biggest things that could help some of the Xenos races is if they had special and unique forces and factions available to them. For example, the Space Marines have multiple different sub-factions. Sure, you have just regular Space Marines, but you can also build an army of specifically Blood Angels Marines or Space Wolves Marines that add to the range of things generic Space Marines can do. Same with the Chaos Marines, with Thousand Sons or Death Guard. Not only do these unique forces add additional strategies and game content, but they are almost always tied to hugely significant lore, which can really draw players in and make those sets feel special. In contrast, most Xenos only have that base faction, but no extra sub-factions like the Imperium and Chaos get. Just putting a bit of thought and effort into creating extra sub-factions would help enormously.

[@ReiktheUnlucky]

Now that 9th edition is out now and Necron DID get expanded, how do you feel?

[@Aerix]

Just a reminder, the xenos races did get some bones semi-recently. Nids got access to the Imperial Guard line with the Gene Stealer cult, Eldar players got to reach across the webway aisle and use units from other eldar types in their lists with ynnari, in 2015 Tau got their new stuff (stormsurge, riptides, etc.), Necrons got the new stuff too semi-recently (ghost-arc, crescent flyer, obelisk, etc), and orks got their gorkanaughts/morkanaughts semi-recently. No the xeno races aren't getting new lines like the imperium is able to churn out en-mass, but they aren't completely ignored either. If you really want to see an oddity let's talk age of sculpts and what materials they come in. Several lines are still in metal with the same sculpts as over a decade or more ago, some slightly luckier have had their lines transitioned from metal to finecast retaining the same sculpts, a smidgen luckier than them have had those finecast transitioned to plastic still in the same sculpts, and If you're a poster boy army you might even been given a new sculpt since the metal days now in plastic. I'm suprised with the extra costs of making 3 different mediums for their models that GW hasn't just gone on a rampage re-releasing new sculpts in plastic of our old metal heroes (sisters, vostroyans, inquisition, etc.)

[@dank_smirk9971]

GW: "We could keep the status quo forever…" GW: *splits the entire fucking galaxy in half, destroys Cadia, and introduces the Primaris Marines* GW: "… But are we gonna?"

[@Xardaras]

From a galaxy standpoint the story is NOT men vs Chaos, but if men gonna die against a combined ork force (lol) or get eaten by tyranids. If that both fails, the Necrons will have their fun. From a thread perspective, the chaos is a quiet small enemy. I don't unterstand what gw is doing

[@djinnglebells241]

What they should do is in the next big lore entry is have the Imperium Segmentum get carved up between the Xenos and both Chaos and Imperium get suddenly weakened. Not completely but at least a bit. If they want to do some stuff for the Xeno races.

[@colonelcabbage]

They will: carry on as normal. They should: expand the ranges. When the inddxes dropped, people flooded to the powerful Xenos armies, and are drones frog back now support hasn’t been forthcoming. On the other hand, the later the codex the better chance of new models I think.

[@permeus2nd]

the Tau need to start rounding up navigators and feed them to the kroot until they get there own, or more boringly get an ally that can help them with a form of warp drives and shields.

[@Dancan799]

Thoughts on the Sisters of battle package on the GW website?

[@aliciagrayson4203]

Concept: taking an idea from comics, what if they did a sort of Year of the Villian event where in-universe a xenos race makes a big dramatic push in the current time. Maybe a new Tyranid Hive Fleet comes in and cleans out a fringe territory and the resulting terror on other worlds nearby gives rise to massive world-wide Genestealer Cults, or a massive Ork uprising results in an entire sector being attacked by Orks in numbers previously unseen, or the Tau make a power play and take a section of the galaxy away from the Imperioum. And you get a new line of minis to go with this big shift in the dynamic of the galaxy. Maybe, to capitalize in the Fear of Missing Out, you tease everyone with limited edition sculpts where only 2000 (pulling a number out of my ass here) of this specific miniature looking this exact way are ever going to be made, capped off with a marketing push around videos of them destroying the mold plates for those special sculpts in weird ways. If everything goes the way it does in my head, you've just got more people into the other armies by way if special edition sculpts that maybe get people to buy a Killteam for that faction. Then they maybe expand out to buy a whole army of them. In the lore they're being pushed so more purple are interested in trying them out in the first place. Make it a big event, then after a bit, the Imperium either restores the status quo or this becomes the new reality. Idk I've had a little something to drink so maybe I dont make any sense anymore but I hope this makes sense

[@magermanmcmagerson4933]

"Except sisters of battle because they're never getting a codex"

[@drakor98]

Hindsight sure is 20/20.

[@Arksimon2k]

I just started with Eldar and love them.

[@Stevo-to2go]

I think if they pushed some of the xenos races a bit then they would see increased sales. Although they don't sell as well as Marines (nothing does) that does not mean that they sell poorly. Necrons are a very popular force. Orks are also good sellers. They used to sell more when they were a bigger player in the lore. And eldar are as popular as ever. And let's not forget the Tau. I can understand with forces like dark eldar that they are never gonna be one of the top selling armies so will get little in the way of new releases and support. But come on GW there are alot of xenos players out there who are keen to spend lots of cash on the plastic crack! Give us some more cool looking kits for our armies and we will throw money at you!

[@Yandereiter]

what did you end up going with for IG

[@donjohnswaggert]

I have to agree with you I wish the 40K Universe would include more regarding the aspect Warriors and their leaders who seem to be on par with any powerful characters from the Imperium

[@RazielLordOfSecrets]

Do you think they may run the risk of copying AoS with the grand orders ?

[@ashclayton3273]

couldnt help but think every time you were hammering the point home about if the xenos races made advancements and developed new threats it would skew the setting, well the same applies to the imperium does it not, seeing as its just the other side, light vs dark good vs evil... so how many more toys are they going to get (primaris, new grav tanks, primarchs, full custodes armies on operational deployments) before it skews it so much in favor of the imperium that theyre actually looking to be on for a win? Seeing as theyre getting fleshed out and yet only fighting the same stale crusty old aliens and their ancient stuff - its about balance over all and I think thats whats getting peoples goat the most.

[@jasonlacomb5382]

Anyone know why GW isn't selling Space Marine 10 tactical squad anymore???

[@magikmann3952]

TBF the Eldar have had a lot given to them including a brand new faction and are now a major part of the story with the birth of ynnead

[@arsesmith346]

as a Dark elder player i'd be happy with one or two new models. you kind of know going into one of the fringe armies you're not gonna get a lot of attention, but thats also what attracts some of us. we like that its not the main plot. I remember the fantasy setting to be way more balanced with all the armies.

[@Slimurgical]

I'm someone who mainly loves the Imperium only to sate my bonerlust for power armor and space marines. Meanwhile, I prefer the Orks because literally everything about them is amazing to me. Their collective warp presence able to warp reality based on shared belief, the fact you can't easily stop Orks from growing on a planet for hundreds of years unless you Exterminatus the planet, and the fact they're literally fungal life forms. The Orks are also the best aesthetic for a whole army of "Winging it" type dudes. I love the Eldar because they're the epitome of a synergy between function and form. Also they're the highest underdog, so I can't help it, and I love sci-fi elves, doesn't help that most images and depictions of eldar women also have them seemingly all be redheads too. I kinda don't care about the rest, I mean they're pretty cool, or they're slightly neat.

[@danny5018]

You see until the Great Crusade happened, in the lore, humanity actually interacted with Xeno's. They were on friendly terms. In other words, the Xeno turned against humanity and eventually lead to conflict. It was not that the Emperor hated Xenos. They just didn't fit the expectations or have the same goals in mind, this often lead to resistance against the Astartes causing them to wipe out the races. They never bore any love or hate for each other, simply survival.

[@langleyzor7547]

citation needed... I'd like to know what the sales figures actually are for imperium/chaos vs all the other races before strictly agreeing. Also there are plenty of imperium and chaos factions that ALREADY EXIST that could have been given attention to BEFORE Custodes, this is where the room was most definitely misread.

[@DATskorge]

Langleyzor Space marines alone comprise more sales than all xenos combined, this is based on a couple year old stats that I don't have a source to but yeah. It's true.

[@langleyzor7547]

All I said was I needed citation before strictly agreeing, I can't find solid stats to suggest this is the case (or even formal statement from GW), that's all.

[@ironbomb6753]

I'm a Xenos player with an Ork and DE army, because they are cool AND my group is all Space Marines and one Imperial Guard. I'm working on a Nurgle army, cause I still want to use Marines... .

[@DannyTube69]

If even a few necron kits are released I think I would get back into the army that does not mean (however nice it was) a new bloody character because that is a one off buy usually and it would not entice me to go from 2000 to 3000 points of necrons

[@mausolus8466]

As someone, who always hated the Imperium, this Xenos-problem was upsetting for me as well. But the good solution in this is, at least from my point of view, the great rule known as an "Your dudes" rule. I never actually was a fan of making lore-wise armies, and not only in scheme and assembly, but also in my own lore (especialy in "spirutual" side, mainly about afterlife). It really helped me to get more into this hobby, and for myself, I can truly recomend this. All my armies were created as independent factions, even when I had my Blood Angels Chaplain, he and his faction were "renegate" marines (fighting against Imperium, but also not following Chaos). It can be at least a little comfort for Xenos fans - once you pay for the models, you can shape them anyway you want. Creating you own gods, alien species, or even own dimensions... I think its all fair game. I know that from additional models perspective it is a little harder, but on the side of stories of development, it is up to you, limited only by your own imagination. This philosophy helped me in history many times (and not just in Warhammer hobby), and I believe it can be aplicated here as well. As for the new models... well, we have to stick with the conversions, at least for now, but I dont find that too bad neither. Im just saying my opinion, so please, treat that as such :)

[@helline9]

the Horus Heresy IS NOT the setting of 40k. it is an historical event of the Imperium but IN THE BIG PICTURE IT MEANS NOTHING! Do you think the Orcs know or care about Horus, or the Tyranids do you think they care or know about mankind's civil war eons ago. How about the Eldar do you think they have the slightest interest in the Emperor's primarchs being childish and having a hissy fit? The Necrons, the Squats, the Tau, the Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Exodites, anyone outside of the Imperium cares in the slightest? Even Chaos is like "cheers, thanks for all the new troops. it was a nice aperitif after we ate THE WHOLE ELDAR RACE!" No, Space Marines only make up a tiny fraction of one faction of 40k. it would be like as if GW decided to spend half their range focusing on the different types of Eldar Harlequin masques there could be and put all of the Imperium in one codex. . Make Horus Heresy (30k) be for the Space Marine fanboy worship, let 40k be for everyone else. That's far more than fair.

[@darkdragon1002]

Theres so much potential with Xenos factions, an Eldar/Tau alliance, a new major hive fleet with some strange new Nids, you could have a chaos tinted dark elder force. Things are getting better with the silent king now but that's life for Xenos players once in a blue moon fun stuff

[@TANKCHANCHAN]

I think also one of the problems that differentiates xenos from Imperium and chaos is the compatibility. I mean, If you play, for instance, as Grey Knights, you can still use custodes models, primaries models, and treat them as grey knight. If you play any Imperial faction, you can use any other Imperial faction as a detachment, HQ, or a substitute for a tank. Same thing with chaos. If you play Death Guard, you could take some Thousand sons, or neutral chaos models, and just... nurglify them, or even use them without changes. . So no matter which faction gets new stuff, you always get at least an interesting option. . For Xenos, the field seems so barren mainly because when GW finally get around to doing a refresh of one of the factions (which in itself happens rarely), other Xeno players can just wave their hands and say "That's cool, but what about us?"

[@paulslater2574]

I really liked this video will you do a video about index books versus codex books and how they work work multiple army players for five army's and up

[@GimbleOnDew]

Custard sells because its OP no other reason,