Why Elon Musk just fired Tesla's entire 500 strong Supercharger team

Why Elon Musk just fired Tesla's entire 500 strong Supercharger team
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[@torben777]

It is starting to remind me a bit too much about the time when he went in the door at Twitter carrying a kitchen sink.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Best idea he had in a long time. This year looks just as good!

[@lukevo6485]

Best thing that happen at Twitter (X)

[@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL]

I think twitter's going Democrat again in the near future. Free speech is dangerous to the Democrat agenda.

[@torben777]

@@lukevo6485 yes if you want to run it into the ground, and/or turn it into a platform for extremist misinformation.

[@Freerider93]

@@lukevo6485 Yeah, Musk losing 36 billion in value has been hilarious to watch. 😂

[@dynomotivedyno9194]

What's the truth?!?! Tesla ALSO fired the commercial destination charger team. Companies IN THE MIDDLE of installs are on hold, the work stopped, and emails to Tesla are bouncing!!!!

[@pondking2801]

Tesla will likely breach a lot of contracts with this move.

[@antonioprado4306]

Musk's childish tantrums have turned him into a snidely stewart. FK him.

[@LunaticTheCat]

​@@pondking2801And lose the trust of a lot of companies they had deals with.

[@geelangfordo3272]

​@@pondking2801Elons narcissistic personality disorder makes it impossible to self reflect so he assumes it's his underlings who are failing him and his solution is to remove them to reconfirm his own perfection. Even if it means giant lawsuits and damaging the company.

[@alan8887]

I think we are starting to get a better idea of who Elon Musk really is. Imagine working for Elon and being scared shitless of losing your job and wondering endlessly if you are next on the firing line. What a wonderful and caring company Tesla is.

[@richardlinares6314]

His bonuses are based on stock and profit targets so... "F the environment, we're an AI company now!"

[@lioncab10]

Sounds like a scarcity mindset

[@lioncab10]

Good things Don't come easy people have to make sacrifices people will not like it. China's already had a schedule. USA cannot be stagnant we got to plant deeper roots

[@SeanJ2A]

He’s a rich spoiled man child. Of course he acts this way. He has the 2nd largest cult in the US.

[@seandelaney1700]

Layoffs are common place nowadays, particularly in tech, many have been doing it.

[@jefferyshall]

I was already mad when they were opening up the Charging Network to other cars because it was going to make the system more crowded, now they're slowing down on expanding the Network?!? I chose Tesla because of the charging Network. This makes no sense, they are having pressure on sales so they are reducing the MAIN reason people chose Tesla over other manufacturers!

[@hermancm]

Would you assault someone not in a Tesla but charging at a SC?

[@Freerider93]

🤣 it's OK bud, Tesla's chargers are already obsolete in my area so I don't ever use them. It's also more expensive. Elon just can't help himself in screwing over everyone lol

[@davidjohnbarnard]

I believe Musk is planning to enlarge existing sites (more chargers) rather than open brand new sites but like you I was very unimpressed when the Tesla network ie V3/4 chargers were opened up to other makes of EV. My nearest Tesla supercharger is 64 miles away!

[@richardlinares6314]

To be fair, Tesla shouldn't have to do this basically on its own. But they *were* a small bit of light in the darkness. This BS on top of Shell buying up charging infrastructure.... not a good sign. This is where the government should step things up.

[@TheBandit7613]

It's not obvious to you? A charge station must lease the ground, X amount per square foot per month or year, plus the expense of the chargers themselves, plus maintenance and repairs, cleaning, the cost of power, for what? 20 bucks per car per charge? Sounds like a huge money loser to me. Who's in business to lose money?

[@BlairSlavin]

Did Elon really respond “Hello everyone and welcome to my channel. I’m Sam Evans and you’re watching the Electric Viking”??? it’s simply amazing that he put such such a plug-in for you

[@dropdroppie1653]

ITS OBVIOUSLY A.I.

[@richardlinares6314]

I click on these fanboy channels hoping to get some nuance for what seems like a terrible choice by Musk. But all they have is regurgitated Musk quotes and equivocating. "Well money's nice right? And less is better than nothing? Musk is doing it so it's probably the right thing"

[@edcelorio]

Current energy policy means less production of electricity So hydrogen as proposed by Toyota seems the way to go as ev cars are not possible to sell or practical to use under extremely high insurance and interest rates Nobody can buy them!

[@nicolajoanna4707]

@@richardlinares6314 why do you think it's a 'terrible choice'? What are your qualifications?

[@mcrkon]

If it turns out Elon fired Rebecca because she was protecting her department and pushing back on a number of layoffs, that would be very stupid.

[@rambokd]

I think this is exactly why, “if you can’t make the choice, I will”!

[@super_hero2]

It is likely to be true man. Noone would fire the entire team because of cost cutting blah blah. It is just illogical.

[@kellymoses8566]

Most companies would fire a CEO for doing something this stupid.

[@billstrasburg384]

How do you people not see that the EV market is collapsing right now? You sound so certain of what you are saying, but you are blind to the fact that Tesla is desperately trying to stay alive in a collapsing market. Did you miss it when Tesla cut all its prices in half last year? That means half the revenue for the same work! It's very simple math here. People aren't buying EVs. The difference in mentality between businessmen who change the world and retarded wage slaves is staggering.

[@rambokd]

Now Elon is hiring some of the Team back but would you go back? After such an unbelievable move why would you go back to such an unstable work environment. I mean people need to know they are valued by the company and have stability for themselves and family.

[@lavectech]

One of the main reasons people buy a tesla is for the growing super charger network, hope they don't lose sight of that with their current robo taxi focus.

[@Crunch_dGH]

⁠From someone who's done 4 care free SoCal-Austin/Starbase trips in FSDed M3P & MYLR: I saw one independent installations contractor post a video that he was sad for those let go, & how, but understood that he & his peers would continue to be paid & supplied, PLUS new contractors and site owners, such as Walmart & "transitioning" BP, etc., gas stations, were already being scheduled for taking over from the old team's expansion projects. Also, that the "pudding proof" of the new deployment process would sooner than later suffice as "explanation" much better than Tesla attempting to convince the already doubting public of the veracity of their new approach.

[@LunaticTheCat]

They already lost sight of it when space Karen decided to fire the entire supercharger team.

[@GigaChadley]

Watching Elmo destroy TWO global brands in quick succession has been quite the spectacle.

[@spankeyfish]

He's having an Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg moment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGHQgGmLjpuoisk

[@jondotcom8706]

I trust Elon’s judgment more than any random buffoon on the internet

[@LunaticTheCat]

​@@jondotcom8706Elon's judgment resulted in Twitter losing 90% of its purchasing price, lol

[@shacktime]

I’m not sure who’s dumber. MAGAs or Muskrats🤔

[@joepass1883]

Another bad decision by such an unsuccessful man. When will he learn what it takes to be successful?

[@lockbert99]

Quartz (citing Electrek) reported that the head of the Supercharger division, Rebecca Tinucci, "argued with Musk and tried to fire fewer workers than he asked for". Musk fired almost everyone in that department in order to "set an example".c

[@michellec7159]

What do you expect when is reported from Bloomberg, or any left controlled news media?

[@Freerider93]

And that's why I bought an Ioniq 6 😂

[@jpizel1070]

​@@Freerider93Good luck if you ever have to replace he battery pack. Several have reported a quoted price of 58k. More than the cost of the vehicle.

[@Freerider93]

@@jpizel1070 Are you slow? The Ioniq 6 has a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the battery and the model is only 2 years old so, NO , several people didn't report a battery cost of 58k because the batteries are all still under factory warranty. Your lies are less believable than Space Karen's 🤣

[@OceanGuy808]

Maybe I’ll take another look at VW. I feel like I’m rewarding bad behavior if I buy a Tesla.

[@markyounts1685]

In 18 months I've driven 39,288 miles, 3 Michigan to Florida trips, 1 Michigan to North Carolina pulling a trailer, many trips to Chicago, Detroit. One time I had to wait 5 minutes for a charger all other times no wait.

[@tatata1543]

Wait until the other manufacturers get access and Tesla slow the rollout, I think things are subject to change.

[@mauriceharting5877]

@@tatata1543 Tesla does not have a slow rollout for they have the largest charging station network in the US and the most reliable ones as well. It all depends on supply and demand, and when demand increases so does the supply. To construct additional super charging station units does not take a lot of time or effort.

[@tatata1543]

@@mauriceharting5877 Musk has just said the rollout will be slower. There are people on social media who work for the contractors saying work has stopped because they had no warning and don’t know what is happening.

[@billybrown555]

Since the number of ev’s on the road currently is small my concern is what happens when number becomes substantial.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@tatata1543 And WHEN are other MFGs going to sell significant cars in USA? US legacies are not about to, Japan? Nope. Europe?? Not really, China not anytime soon. Maybe Costa Rica will compete with Tesla.

[@cosmic_diver]

Nothing instils confidence in business than firing 90-100% of the staff they were responsible for hiring. A true master-stroke from the man who knows more about manufacturing than anyone else on the planet.

[@johnhiggs325]

He knows basically nothing about manufacturing or anything else. He finds people that do and then claims credit for their abilities. That’s been his MO the whole time. He’s not much more than a carnival barker, a pitch man. He demonstrates the Dunning Kruger Effect beautifully every time he steps outside of that role. The fact that he is a raging malignant narcissist only fuels the dumpster fire that is Elon Musk.

[@chrismiddleton4733]

Manufacturing? The dude knows more about everything than everyone else combined. Ever.

[@davebrewer7170]

They were losing money Reality

[@blairbrewster9952]

I suspect Elon is aware of new battery developments in China, which could extend range to over 1000kms. If so, not as many charging stations will be required.

[@tommykaira8775]

Yeah keep spinning

[@drew8256]

Note to self, don’t work for Tesla, no loyalty or security for your efforts.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Yupp, You have to have the drive for Tesla. If not: Don't start there. I would not.

[@lukevo6485]

Yes, never work for a company that does layoffs. Oh, I forgot, every company has layoffs, does that mean I don't have to work.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@lukevo6485 "does that mean I don't have to work" No, that does not mean you don't have to work, that means you should create your own company. I did.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Trimming the fat ---- in slowing economy makes perfect business sense to me.

[@DaGoat97]

That's all corporations

[@jameswilson5165]

From a public optics view, this is disastrous because range anxiety is the number one reason most people are holding back from making the jump. From a Business viewpoint, installing tens of thousands of charging stations and having to keep every one of them operating while installing hundreds of thousands more... yep, get out now or find another way to do this is the smart move.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

20.000 people fired @ VW is not newsworthy. 500 people fired @ Tesla is the end of the world. People: Please reconsider your priorities.

[@petermueller7407]

​​@@wolfgangpreier9160 when did they do that, when did they fire and their employees landed on the street

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@petermueller7407 NDR 27.11.2023, Merkur 19.12.2023, Handelsblatt 27.10.2023, Finanzmarktwelt 14.9.2023. Zähls zusammen. Und weine.

[@TheBandit7613]

I think Musk wants to sell Tesla. He offered it to Apple. How long will it be profitable? I doubt the charging network is profitable.

[@geelangfordo3272]

​@@wolfgangpreier9160Tesla is about 1/10 the size of VW production wise and fired 14k people not 500. Also VW isnt firing entire teams at once because the executive in charge dared to question the logic of the dear leader CEO who wants a 50 billion dollar compensation package.

[@Rabs73]

Far too few sites in Australia. Hopefully the current future earmarked sites remain on track

[@SkepticalCaveman]

I think it's mostly the US of A that don't need any more new charging sites. Rest of the world will still expand the network area.

[@jful]

Apollo Bay definitely coming this time right

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

I agree. we are screwed if he doesn't expand in Australia. We're trapped in the east coast

[@timtravelnomad]

​@@SkepticalCaveman if tge rest of tge world will still keep expanding, why doesn't Elon say it...

[@tatata1543]

I wouldn’t bet on it to be honest.

[@feger481]

When you fire an entire department, this usually reflects a serious problem, that is either out of control mismanagement or even worse, some form of corruption.

[@misakamikoto8785]

usually when that happens, there will be whistle blowers or tons of complains from their employees, we shall see.

[@petersmangalisongoma2013]

Oh that the one doing the firing has lost his mind

[@logan594]

Or Elon has ego problem. Stock gonna collapse back down to sub 150

[@alancane1482]

Or you don't need them anymore.

[@GFY11]

@@logan594😂 Shorty, you must be bleeding hard. You should have covered

[@grahamf695]

In UK car reviews, other manufacturers always get marked down, because they don't have Tesla's charging network. It gives them a significant competitive advantage. Without their charging network, you would have to ask what is Tesla's unique selling point (USP)?

[@omni_0101]

There's still so many small towns missing that I can't reliably take an EV to rural areas. This is a bummer.

[@mcnutterfudgn]

Takes time and money little guy. Just wait

[@davidpearn5925]

Red states in particular.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@davidpearn5925 Not just red states. There are many corners of Colorado that are basically off-limits to my Tesla.

[@brandonlong2796]

Imagine spending millions for a site for 2 cars. lol make it make sense

[@michaelnurse9089]

Others take them there. With a 405 mile range Tesla you can drive through most small towns to the next town. If worst comes to the worst you can sleep over and charge over night with an overnight charger you bring with you.

[@DJ-Illuminate]

I just wanted to take time out to say thank you for your work and informative videos over the years. You are my go to for information about Musk and Tesla. Cheers from the USA.

[@bunsw2070]

Thunderf00t and Common Sense Skeptic have good information too.

[@remliqa]

@@bunsw2070 Neither of them are good source for any reliable new, though. Just like the Electric Viking, both of these Musk hater are too emotionally compromised to do good unbiased coverage .

[@Freerider93]

​@@bunsw2070 Thunderf00t has the most accurate videos on musk.

[@Freerider93]

​@@remliqa How are they bias? Calling out Musk's lies doesn't mean you are a hater. Logic and facts don't care about feelings

[@remliqa]

@@Freerider93 Lying about Space X, NASA, Noble laureates and others because of their dislike for them makes them biased. As you said , logic and facts don't care about feeling, if charlatans like Philip Mason is hurt by logic and facts so much that they disregard both in order to paint his targets in the worst light possible, then not only is he biased but lacks integrity.

[@aw7425]

Excellent recap and spot on, thank you and hope you’re feeling much better

[@davidandrew6357]

For such a seemingly brilliant guy, I'm really starting to wonder if Musk knows which side his bread is buttered on.

[@johnm2939]

He's NOT brilliant!!!!! He's the #1 shareholder. He doesn't build or make ANYTHING!!!! He stole the reputation of a real genius when he STOLE Tesla's name. He's a thief and a coward!! Takes credit for other people's work and you simpletons out here actuality believe he's intelligent. Shows you how dumb people are and why he can get over on them.

[@Threadripperbourbon2024]

Ok the supercharger network is likely still a Moat business for Tesla. Tesla produces most (if not all) of the SC parts required, manufactures the total unit, does the business analysis and knows when and where to ship to install Tesla's standard installation of 6, 9, 12+ S-chargers. Tesla knows all Tesla owners usage and recharge habits from the constant data he collects from Tesla's (SC vs at Home aka the when and where). Tesla knows where every Tesla's is located and its power consumption and recharge needs. I'm guessing Tesla SC networks speaks to all EV's that way and collects lots of use data, not just other EV payment data, on each EV that comes to the Tesla SC station. He purchases electrical power regionally in bulk, sells it at retail and makes margin on every power charge. Tesla is a international corporation and makes business decisions internationally also.

[@Freerider93]

@@Threadripperbourbon2024 Are you a bot? This sounds like something AI wrote.

[@Freerider93]

I wouldn't say Musk is brilliant, he has a talent for self promotion and getting people to believe in lies. He had the ability to get the best talent and buy exciting companies through money, but no one wants to be associated with him anymore. Yes, Musk has slightly above average intelligence, but he's not brilliant or a genius...actually he's quite evil.

[@pyotrberia9741]

@@Freerider93 , Yes. Definitely a bot. Lots of words and no thoughts about why Musk might have decided to fire the SC team.

[@charlesmoss8119]

I think chargers will always be a tough business model - they need hundreds for a peak holiday travel day - then only a couple for most of the rest of a year. They cost a lot to install and a lot to maintain but if say we had 500 mile range batteries how often would we need to charge away from home?

[@user-ln9bk7mo3l]

Installing a Tesla supercharger costs about 1/3 of what "Electrify America" chargers cost, and since they'll be focusing on adding to current locations (rather than securing NEW ones), they'll be much higher ROI across the board... Sounds pretty smart to me....

[@user-jb2om7cm8m]

Yes, gas stations are located on main roads, busy street corners, on/off ramps etc, in large numbers, because they can afford to do so. They can serve multiple customers per minute, making a profitable convenience store and other facilities viable also. You'd need a football field of chargers to handle this sort of traffic- which would sit empty most of the year.

[@AlexJee7601]

Having customers captive while they charge their vehicles with compelling things to buy is not a bad business model....

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. At current charging powers you only need about twice as many chargers as petrol pumps.

[@jabezhane]

All the time if you live in an apartment, like most inner city dwellers. Hence why EV adoption in cities like NY is next to nothing.

[@boblatzer]

They used to say, ‘ Keep your eyes on the road.’ Now it’s, ‘ Keep your eyes on the infoscreen.’

[@michaelmcgrath7465]

That is bollocks. I very seldom look at the screen. Without a cluster in front me it is so much easier to concentrate on the road. There is very little that needs to be adjusted while driving. If there is the voice commands work very well so no need to take your eyes off the job.

[@Dou6.2]

@@michaelmcgrath7465 How do you know how fast you’re going? How to lock the doors? Navigate using gps? You look down and left

[@dandylion968]

nah it’s keep ur eyes on that EV cause it might randomly explode. Never park next to one either

[@jpizel1070]

Not really. They have plenty of aftermarket screens for those that need it. I installed one in mine myself.

[@jamespink4202]

Having driven a model S for four years in the UK, I never had an issue charging on journeys across the UK and Europe. Work every time!

[@esecallum]

liar

[@carl-Sp]

We’ve done two 4000km road trips from Nth NSW. Once to Cairns, recently the Great Ocean Road, central Victoria. Only once have we waited for a charger, 10mins at Heatherbrae. That’s about to be solved with new station at Taree. Don’t let this story stop you from going electric. You won’t look back. 🌞🌞🔋

[@HIDHIFDB]

No thanks my S10 is more fun to drive

[@darkoz1692]

How many times did you have to stop to recharge and how long did each charge take?

[@johnm2939]

Where you looking? Cuz it won't be forward. Most people can't even afford the insurance on an EV. Can't afford the interest rates on a loan. You playboys live in a fantasy world.

[@cosmic_diver]

EV ownership is a ponzi scheme.

[@carl-Sp]

@@darkoz1692 Every 2 to 3 hours, charging takes 20 to 30 mins. We choose places to stay that have charging so the first and last leg are covered.

[@MrTVan]

All current charging projects are on hold and no breaking ground of new sites. We have lost contact with TSLA HQ to get guidence on the charging sites. As of now we are laid off from building the EV network until someone at TSLA makes a decision. He didn't just fire 500 Tsla employees, he laid off x-thousands of people who build the networks for TSLA. He screwed a lot of people with his midnight binder!!!!

[@tatata1543]

It really does look as if he acted on a whim. It’s an utterly baffling decision.

[@MrTVan]

@@tatata1543 we had dozens of projects that are now all in jepordy. So much money being lost by companies who were getting sites ready to be built and existing projects.

[@ziggyshlemon7077]

We have a Tesla Y, live in Sydney Australia and we never need a charger in the Sydney Metro area because we charge from home. When we travel interstate by road the Tesla Chargers are currently strategically spaced apart to align with the ranges of the car. So I would definitely agree with the notion that they need to capacity build in the current location in accordance with increasing demand instead of building more charging stations in areas where people would just drive past anyway between key centres because the care does not need a charge . I would also say they can improve the facilities and amenities at the existing locations. This would reduce ques and turn-a-round charging times.

[@markmiller8903]

You sure fucked up!!! Should have bought a toyota.

[@tysonn4736]

@@markmiller8903 Toyotas are super expensive to maintain compared to a Tesla.

[@davidpearn5925]

Expect them all to become universal as Tesla car division fades away........ unless they get a dedicated (protected) CEO who doesn't mind the unpublicised daily commitment to the shareholders.

[@kebeleteeek4227]

There is DEADLOCK in EV transition .. The ability to recharge at home makes only 10% EV use public sharger .. hence NOBODY will make massive investment in public charger .. so public charger v.s EV population ratio will NEVER improve .... Conclusion: EV users will always face public charger "CHAOS" during mass events / holidays seasons / extraordinary events ....

[@fladave99]

Keep dreaming. Its all gonna crash

[@natehill8069]

I like the Lucid Air. But was leaning to the Model S because of the Supercharger network. Not any more.

[@Crazy_Worlds]

If you want to encourage people to buy your EVs there are 2 good ways to go about it: 1.Make cars that people want to buy, and that includes listening to feedback from customers rather than arrogantly deciding what’s best for your customers, and 2. Provide plenty of superchargers to give people confidence that they can recharge their vehicle wherever they go - range anxiety is a real issue.

[@sparis1970]

We often forget to take the human factor into account.... In current environment, internal politics may have played a role...

[@cifey]

Yeah probably the department head was rumored to have said something about his 50B bonus and so he took out the whole dept in a momentary fit of vengeance.

[@username7763]

Yup, always remember this for those who get laid off. In large companies, it has nothing to do with you or your performance or anything you did or didn't do.

[@jackramos8581]

Their supercharger business needed to be at scale with the vehicle sales forecast

[@Mrbfgray]

Exactly, not prudent to get ahead, excess capacity requires maintenance, decays and becomes obsolete.

[@davestagner]

The way Tesla is going right now, that means LESS superchargers.

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

@@davestagner”fewer” superchargers

[@michaelnurse9089]

Estimated superchargers in the US number (est 12000) roughly 10x less than gas stations (120000). The number needs to increase but I don't think Tesla needs to fund that. Tesla should franchise out Supercharger stations - allow owner to have a gas station store and a coffee bar.

[@cohenkevinloriqueen818]

lol.. good one !!

[@Yggdrasil42]

Biggest issue I see is that this was so badly communicated. Burned a ton of goodwill and trust from partners and suppliers who've invested millions and suddenly can't reach anybody.

[@tyranelewis7763]

That was a great take on the issue and thoughts many havent thought of as you expalined. Thank you

[@ih2898]

I think that Tesla can slow down on the super charger new deployment. With all in North America going to the NACS standard, EA and others will have to start to deploy NACS standard superchargers. So Tesla can slow down at a time when sales are slowing down

[@williamboyle8918]

This

[@hiloviking]

But slowing sales still means a few thousand new Teslas hitting the road weekly.

[@Yggdrasil42]

Tesla is not just active in the US market...

[@LunaticTheCat]

Firing the ENTIRE team is not the way to go about slowing down supercharger deployment, lmao

[@richardereed9205]

The Supercharger network has such high uptime because of aggressive communication.what is happening at every stall is communicated in real time with the staff and Tesla owners. That is the key to uptime. Musk has said all Superchargers will eventually be solar powered. Grid level solar contracts are being let for about 3 cents per kwh. If you can sell that power for $0.20 to $0.30 per kWh that's a huge gross profit margin.

[@renaissanceman5847]

that is incredibly stupid... you'd need a 1/4 acre of solar panels to run a single supercharger and it would only provide full capacity when the the sun was shining on a clear day which only peaks for 6 hours during summer months. else it would need to rely on battery backup (which would also need to charge by the same solar panels) during non solar input... which would render charging at night to just a few hours before the battery is depleted. It is very inefficient to charge a battery that is then used to charge another battery. this would then mean the solar panels would need to charge both the batteries for the charger AND the EV during the day.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Nott unique to Tesla.

[@michaelsimpson9779]

If people believe that solar is going to provide the power for this, they're completely deluded andd ignorant

[@csharp7926]

solar powered? bwahaha. well that takes care of clear summer days, maybe. slight problem with rain, snow, clouds, and night though

[@downix]

​@@csharp7926Solar still works under clouds or rain.

[@glumpy10]

Not an EV or a tesla fan but your commentary is refreshingly honest and free of hype. It's great to get truth and honesty on a subject without bias either way. I can see method in this supercharger strategy. There are endless reports of hours long waits for chargers. It would make sense to put more stations in to ease this. What I wonder about though is how many have the space to do it? I understand many are in car parks of other businesses but how much area are they going to want to give up and what will they want in return? Still going to be substantial investment and ongoing cost. That said I can well see where it would be far cheaper to use the infrastructure in place than develop from scratch. On the 5th hand, that infrastructure will have limits in the power that can be drawn at one location so I wonder if this will not largely amount to more people charging slower with little actual increase in throughput and chargers back down for the limits on the initial feeder lines from the grid? It could also be a spin pacification excuse for a huge slowing of network expansion where they keep their money very close to their chest. ANY expansion is going to be a significant cost and one that won't sell more cars or have an attractive ROI. I like your comment on what people would do if THEY were CEO. No one else has the info Musk and his board does and without that, saying a decision is good or bad is really pretty dumb when one has none of the facts and figures the decision makers do.

[@dotsmada2855]

The difference here is that it appears that Musk is the one calling the shots here, not some board. And some of the decisions Musk has made recently have been pretty sketchy. Many people are invested in Tesla and don't want him to screw it all up. When I say invested I'm not talking about stock, I'm talking about vehicle owners. I don't want one day for my car to become a brick because of him going off the rails.

[@waynekaminski5438]

What company would put their charging network in out of the way poorly lit back lots of out of businesses parking lots? Nice going, Elon!

[@williamhenning2529]

I live in Southwest Florida and have a second home in rural, Tennessee. I have been driving my Tesla between Florida and Tennessee since 2016 and have never had to wait for a charger stall. Checking the Tesla app a few minutes ago I found 83 available Tesla charger stalls within 50 miles of my home in Florida.

[@TheBandit7613]

Have you considered that the charge network isn't profitable? I bet it's a real money loser.

[@jlarm3]

Send some of them out to West Texas. On the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to Dallas ( a distance of about 275 miles) there are at least 16 sites. One of those sites in Temple, Tex has 48 chargers!!!. Now turn west in San Antonio and head to El Paso on I -10 ( a distance of approximately 560 miles,) there are ONLY 5 sites!!!! We could use some of yours.

[@danielking2944]

I don’t know much about supercharger business but I sense a trend toward decentralized generation and storage of energy. When people get over their irrational fears about range,they will charge at home,whether at a house or the reserved space at their apartment. I remember when rental properties listed as a feature of the house or apartment that they had washer and dryer connections. Motels displayed proudly that they had air conditioning and good TV reception. Things change,those who don’t see the change or refuse to accept it get left behind. When I was doing residential electrical construction we didn’t need to have the NEC requirements to pull in 200 anp service. Now,with rooftop solar,at least the second car that doesn’t get driven long distance every day,can be used as energy storage and reduce greatly the grid demand. I,personally could go back to the 60amp service that was state of the art in the homes in the 50s

[@davidbangsdemocracy5455]

Range concerns are not irrational. Home charging works for local trips. That’s ok for some cars but many people want to retain the option of road trips not restricted to just certain interstate highway routes.

[@renaissanceman5847]

@@davidbangsdemocracy5455 exactly... It also doesn't help their case when half of the superchargers are broken. why do ICE cars dominate? ease of use, repairability DIY or professional nationwide from small town to the largest cities and choice of when and how much to refuel... be it cash or card and the ICE doesn't care what brand you put in it nor does it care what the temperature is outside.

[@user-jb2om7cm8m]

​@@davidbangsdemocracy5455 I think a lot of people wouldn't care if there was a charger every mile, it takes me 3 minutes to fill up and I'm on my way- that's long enough. 10 minutes would be a deal breaker for me. If I really want to take a 45 minute break on the road, I can do that anywhere I want- or just keep going.

[@mikez6683]

I don’t have anything against EV’s. Not for me though, but for some it’s probably a great option. You mentioned “change”, and “getting left behind” A couple of other sayings that always seem to be true. “Never put all your eggs in one basket”. Also “if EV’s are so great, why does the government need to mandate them”. One more. “If the government is involved, it’s probably going to go bad” That being said I am all for EV’s, just seems dumb to try and mandate them. Isn’t going to work.

[@newsgeekus1216]

Surprising layoffs, such as in the supercharger group and massive reductions in the M2 and FSD groups. A number of key people leaving, Drew’s leaving was a gut punch.

[@Harrythehun]

Drew didn't deliver.

[@newsgeekus1216]

@@Harrythehun of course he did. Relationship with Panasonic, securing battery materials for the explosive growth from 30k a year cars to 1.8 mil. The Maxwell deal, the CATL deal. Yes, the 4680 is either a success or failure depending on your point of view. But battery cell development is hard, the Chinese have decades of experience. The original gang of seven and gang of four are all gone except for Elon.

[@Mrbfgray]

Same old story, this is how Tesla works, how it stays dynamic and vibrant. Are you new in this space? Endless litany of same rhetoric every couple yrs, 2018 was relentless--"Tesla losing executives like crazy! It's DOOMED!" When actually Tesla retains top executives much longer than typical Silicon Valley companies.

[@rtzx12570]

140,000 staff and he has fired 14,000 due to changing business demand like this. Most large corporations would love to have only 10% staff turnover in a volatile industry. Indeed any lower and it would suggest that they are getting stale and more focused on just keeping their jobs than push new ideas and creative drives.

[@newsgeekus1216]

@@Mrbfgray wow, did not mean to start a debate. But all companies struggle as they move from startup to large enterprise. As they make that transition, it is appropriate to revisit leadership. The tesla of 2020 was super dominant with massive advantages, the Tesla of 2024 still massively dominate but competition is catching up. Was Q1 an anomaly, bad quarter for tesla, good for their competition; or something else?

[@larryevans6739]

The subsidies are actually massive in the US. They get $Billions in grants and other subsidies on the manufacturing side. DOT has a list of some of the major subsidy programs. And they get a 30% tax credit on the installed system, up to $100k per charger. And they get state subsidies. And utility subsidies. Easily the majority of the cost of the charging stations. The entire reason why Tesla gave away their IP rights to NACS was to gain access to $BIllions in subsidies that were not available to closed systems.

[@jrb_sland]

Don't waste your time on KZbin comments. Direct them to your Congress-critter and/or your Senators who have the power to do something about misdirected subsidies... While you're at it, make some noise about the huge & growing government debts in general - the country is headed for bankruptcy! Washington MUST cut back on spending or raise taxes - there are no other options.

[@John-Edward]

I get most of the layoffs except the SuperCharging group!!!

[@DennisMathias]

Chargers are the ONLY moat Tesla has right now. They ought to be mandating MORE charging locations to quell the concerns for people who say want to go to far off public land like parks. In the US for example, the Alaska/Cassier Highways and some regions of Alaska do not have fast charging. Nebraska is typically a pass through state but turning north off of I-80 allows some breathtaking scenery. But there is no where to charge when you terminate or turn around to head back. Even if there were ONE charger at the end of highway 61 it'd be worth the trip. More locations are as important as more ports. Like gasoline stations where every little town has one. No one plans gasoline stops. They just go through a town and look for a station. That's the way it needs to be with superchargers. Maybe these people weren't worth a dam, I don't know . But leaving the perception of dropping off the radar will not enhance EV sales.

[@criticalevent]

He took federal money to open the network to the other car makers and then killed the change over. It's a short term play to get through one or two more disastrous quarters while he still tries to get his $55 Billion compensation package reinstated.

[@morrismontgomery2822]

My prayers go to those who were affected by the layoffs at Tesla. 🙏🏾🙏🏾. It's unfortunate, but all car manufacturers go thru this phase to restructure in order to cut costs.

[@Jason-bu9sv]

They have skills and knowledge few have and they could set up their own company building independent stations this could be an even great opportunity for them.

[@mauriceharting5877]

Those who are laid off at Tesla can find new jobs since they have Tesla on their resumes. Also if these former Tesla employees are smart they can use the knowledge they obtained at Tesla and start their own businesses.

[@Mrbfgray]

Yeah most will do just fine if they lasted a yr at Tesla.

[@bryanwhitton1784]

@@mauriceharting5877 As stock options are part of most all employment contracts at Tesla it is possible that they are better off than employees at other companies that get laid off. Just a thought.

[@michaelmcgrath7465]

Not sure that appealing to a mythical sky creature will help.

[@LuKiSCraft]

Tesla has filled in a lot of the gaps in Pennsylvania recently, and I'm happy with the current charger locations around me. You'd never hear me say that in 2021. So I can get why they'd want to slow it down with margins getting compressed & huge spend on AI. Remember, one way they can continue to cut prices of their cars is to reduce operating expenses. Labor costs are an operating expense. Also, robotaxis cannot use the existing charging network, they will need wireless charging pads for that. So, if Musk truly believes robotaxis are coming this decade, that would also support the decision.

[@Hybridog]

Electrek reports that Tesla has pulled out of leases in the NYC area where they planned to build more SuperChargers to meet excessive demand caused by EV ride sharing incentives in the area. The article title is "Tesla is already pulling back Supercharger plans after firing team"

[@djangoropa9860]

Supercharger network is said to be Tesla's strongest advantage over the competition. As a investor I'm surprised by this. I'm surprised by many things about Tesla these days. I used to be bullish about the stock, but I'm uncertain now. FUD got the best of me. I'm holding for now...🤔

[@seandelaney1700]

I'm enjoying the FUD, cheaper TSLA shares. LT bullish.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@seandelaney1700 Between this and the "all in on robotaxies" news: I am tempted to short the stock. But then I would be betting on how fast the stock will fall.

[@philiptaylor7902]

Watch out for supercharger rate price hikes next.

[@ricmiller9624]

That was going to happen anyway because these chargers are not making any money matter of fact they are loosing money. The start up costs is outrageous plus the electrical supply at the location and this is not the final technology, there’s not enough electrical supply or square footage available for the public to charge at 30 minute charging time

[@rogerphelps9939]

Yes. Over in the US NACS is just a supplier cartel. Illegal in most other countries.

[@205rider8]

@@rogerphelps9939Stupid comment. It’s not a monopoly. Anyone can use NACS. Do you even know what a monopoly is?

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@ricmiller9624 It’s not the final technology is completely irrelevant. I watched the picture tube TV for decades. It wasn’t the final technology. In fact, my current flatscreen isn’t the final technology. Who cares?

[@tedmanasa907]

Great video and great shirt! Where do I get one of those?

[@vroomzy1]

I hope this doesn't mess up the system, which is working perfectly right now. Florida to Canada, zero problems.

[@jasoningram9928]

Here in the States the saturation point along major cross country highways has been reached. Expanding charging points that have high usage is needed at this time. I've never had to wait to charge on the road. However some areas have problems with waiting lines. When taking road trips now, I find only about 30-40% usage at Superchargers.

[@izerrandom12]

consolidation mode - other OEMs would dream of this to do. but can't bc of strong unions and rigid labour law regulations. rehiring the same staff may already lead to cost reductions.

[@jools2323]

Why would the staff want to stay after he's done this?

[@gloofisearch]

...and less pay! Awesome, so Musk can get more!

[@izerrandom12]

@@gloofisearch PlugPower: minus 96%, Chargepoint: minus 97% from ATH ... so many going belly up. 500 Fisker Ocean staff laid off permanently in Graz/Austria at Magna-Steyr. At least there is some hope of re-hire for SC team. Would be some loss, yes, but economically still best solution for many. No videos about all the brutal lay-offs elsewhere.

[@Mrbfgray]

There will be some rehires no doubt, Elon's method says that if you don't delete so many parts that you have to replace 10% you haven't deleted enough. Similar for staff.

[@gloofisearch]

@@izerrandom12 So, if all these charging companies go belly up, are electric cars really the future?

[@Trashed20659]

I just read a story at Fast Company which claimed the 500 is NOT the entire staff. Plans to expand will be limited to existing sites, and the focus will be on uptime.

[@aussietaipan8700]

I recently went on a 2 day trip to Wilsons Prom, I used my 4x4 for this trip mainly due to the unsurely of the EV charging stations down there and I was correct. My Model S stayed home

[@GMacD173]

They have the data for utilization of superchargers. If the development of AI robotaxi changes that utilization you have to make changes to how you deploy and expand the charging network. No doubt with the recent ah-ha! moment for V12 FSD the light has gone on at Tesla. These two developments are connected.

[@machoopichoo2]

Indeed..."balls to the wall," seems to have timed quite closely to this.

[@CarlWithACamera]

Yup, update the current locations to level 4 to remain at the forefront and be able to provide more charge capacity within the same footprint; I.e., you can charge more cars (and robotaxis) if it takes less time to charge each. You don’t need more chargers/locations if you enable faster charging speeds at existing locations. And there’s less work to update existing locations versus identifying and securing new locations and building them out from scratch. Ergo, fewer staff needed.

[@davidsoom1551]

You'll never see full self driving in your lifetime with or without A I . Don't you understand why?

[@machoopichoo2]

​@@davidsoom1551 An AI will never master Go or pass a Bar Exam or pass the Turing test or...

[@tomofnorthcal]

For my electric motorcycles I found that charge point brand stations work more consistently.

[@chrismd00]

So you can’t use Tesla stations and you can’t compare .chargepoint is much worse

[@j.4941]

I don’t believe I have EVER seen a SUC where all chargers are in use. On the other hand there’s plenty of places where I would be glad if there would be a SUC in the area. The argument doesn’t seem to make sense.

[@l0gic23]

The question i have is could the talent been retained and used elsewhere in the company... For example, i can see a use for some of the talent on the battery storage side, especially mega pack. Together leveragong megapack and AI driven arbitrage, increase prpfit margins... The other thing could have been a focus on apartment and rental home usecases... Not gonna analyze their open positions or more segment opportunities but cant wait for someone to think big and small (at scale) on how the talent could have been used in novel and inovative ways....

[@plixie1]

Comment section full of tin foil hat reasons for Elon doing this.

[@kennyfordham6208]

Amen 😌

[@mikewallace8087]

plixie , What Is The Reason ?????

[@kennyfordham6208]

@@mikewallace8087 The reason is plain and simple: Elon is screwing everyone over. 🤨

[@DJ-Illuminate]

LOL. Good buying opportunity.

[@frankcoffey]

Reasons don't matter only results.

[@pauld6967]

If the mobile repair teams remain intact, I am okay with the team at HQ being trimmed. The guys in the field are far more necessary and important than Upper Management to the company's well-being.

[@ElliotGeno]

I really doubt that was just upper management. 500 people is larger than most companies and Tesla is known for being a fairly flat orginization. These were likely engineers and technicians. My guess is Elon inked a deal with China to mass produce these units. The federal government does have a stipulation that they must be made in the US though... so to me, I bet China is undercutting any federal incentive to build these in the US.

[@linusa2996]

So who's working on the V4 superchargers? Who is working on integrating the non tesla units into the Tesla database?

[@robintaylor1490]

​@@linusa2996V4 hasn't been effected.

[@jwestney2859]

Nice reporting. And nice analysis. I think you are correct. I criticized your earlier video that was unhelpful platitude so I want to offer timely applause for this insightful video.

[@mikejansen9798]

This was a big successful business unit for Tesla with great prospects. No competition even close. This is unnerving to Tesla owners and investors. A minor scaleback is understandable but this seems like craziness!!

[@scottcurtis2400]

Once the algorythm has told you where to build - just expand existing sites

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

There are still many gaps. Ideally, there should be a super charger every 50 miles on Interstates - yet, we still have several places with nearly 200 mile gaps and many places with 100 mile gaps. We need to be able to hit the next charger with 80% charge, even in winter and high winds.

[@scottcurtis2400]

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc Why would you need a supercharger every 50 miles? The typical Tesla has a range of about ~300 miles. Charging is way faster if you are down to the 10-20% level. Since the team is now clipped and your growth will come from 3rd party and new Teslas, just expand the current sites. Yes, there are routes that need to open, but....teh world is waking up.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@scottcurtis2400 300 miles is a highway/city mix under ideal conditions. My experience is 220 miles on Interstate travel at 70-75mph in the summer. There was one time crossing Oklahoma on I-40 when I charged up to 100% in Van Buren (Ft Smith) and made it to Oklahoma City with only 2% to spare (195 mile gap) and I had to do 15 mph _under_ for most of the trip to make it because of a 30 mph head wind in winter (35F temp). That's why. I try to target 80% to 10% for my travels - that gives me a solid buffer most times.

[@scottcurtis2400]

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc Tough corner case. Fortunately there plenty of options with Plugshare for that situation. I get it. I ended up refreshing my 2015 Model S. Having the 400+ miles is very handy. I DO understand what you are saying though.

[@mfurmyr]

Working for Tesla is like living in Kreml in the 1930s. Waiting for the knock on the door at 4 AM and Lefortovo next. Now it is an email at 4 AM. “Your services are no longer need”. It is no wonder that many Americans have mental issues constantly living in uncertanity in their jobs. In Europe you are not thrown under the bus.

[@beehappy7797]

Better to fire someone than wait too long and have to fire even more. When you run a business, you have to make choices. Only Tesla's management can know what is best for Tesla.

[@gloofisearch]

@@beehappy7797 Better to hire correctly in the first place. It is a shame that a company that still makes billions in profit can fire people just because.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Yes. There are far better workers'c rights in Europe. Musk would be thrown into jail for what he has done.

[@RicardoPereira-pk3py]

@@beehappy7797 Good analogy, Tesla is being atacked with nuclear bombs by ALL Biden's government agencies.

[@danielb7253]

its everywhere...not just USA...its the norm sadly...at least Tesla pays dismissing packages..

[@craigarnold1212]

I think you have this pretty well in hand. The basic designs are done up through V4 which is what I would think they would be adding too existing stations. Those engineers, software and hardware may be lingering? The basic systems are finished and fewer updates and upgrades. Also this reduces the needed people for finding land. I am hoping that they try to focus on some fringe cases for charging stations. There are huge gaps in places. But I had been wondering about getting some of the big ice trucking stations set up and not really hearing much about that... maybe more was expected? The cybertruck and the semi will need the build out if any hauling is to be done by either. Elon had proposed a small segment be funded from San Francisco to Arizona via government program. Mostly on interstate 5 I think. But I do not see anything going on that way.

[@ObiePaddles]

As a tesla owner, the plug and play is brilliant.

[@Bryan46162]

Tesla's mission statement is: "To transition the world to sustainable energy". It's hard to square this move with the mission statement. Doubly hard when Tesla is simultaneously trying to convince shareholders to put $55 billion into Musk's personal pocket.

[@fladave99]

I think our public EV charging system is at the MAX and will fall into disrepair and failure. The GOVERNMENT spent 8 BILLION DOLLARS on ONE charger so dont expect the gov is going to add any charging This is a GOVERNMENT STOCK PUMP AND DUMP ponce the gov puls out, stocks will crash and it will leave the I'M SMARTER THAN YOU IDIOTS holding the bag

[@cameronparry6912]

🤡

[@ryanchappell5962]

I’m a shareholder and I am voting for Elon to get his pay package. The stock value will be F’d otherwise. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are smoking crack.

[@hefoxed]

@@ryanchappell5962 You're fcked either way. Outside of ya'll holding the bag, people are wising up to the grift that is Elon Musk, and long term he can't recover from that, and Tesla and Elon are too intertwined. Believing he'll actually get that low cost car any time soon while people are still waiting for that roadstar he promised for and took money for so far ago, while lay off people building his cars, lol. The sunk cost fallacy in action.

[@linusa2996]

​@@ryanchappell5962if the fate if the company is based on the whims of one man, you own stock in a company that has no future.

[@craigruchman7007]

Most EV owners charge at home; and if the OEMs are not stepping up production, why build out superchargers that will be underutilized. Another factor to consider are the cheaper destination charges going up in front of stores and hotels. So it seems like a good move given the current situation.

[@xiaoka]

Are superchargers under utilized? no one seems to think so.

[@juliahello6673]

@xiaoka I think they are. If you have a Tesla you can choose random superchargers in your car and see how many stalls are occupied. I rarely see them even half full.

[@beehappy7797]

@@xiaoka Not everyone can use Tesla's superchargers.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not here in the UK. It is full steam ahead for chargers from a multitude of competing suppliers.

[@craigruchman7007]

@@xiaoka are we factoring in thousands of inexpensive destination chargers that are/will be going up in front of stores and hotels.

[@scottharper9645]

And that’s why I don’t own an EV but love my pluggable Lincoln Aviator!

[@TomMoench]

As a Tesla owner and investor I am surprised by the decision, but it makes a certain sense. The current NACS system works well for Tesla owners. EVs are still growing in the US but at a slower rate than elsewhere. People buy Teslas over other brands because of NACS hence the switch of nearly every other automaker to it. Expanding the locations does not make as much sense as increasing the availability of chargers at current locations to meet increasing demand due to a) ensuring the owners of other brands have a reliable charging experience so more people go to Ford and Honda and Aptera to move the industry toward sustainable energy -Teslas Mission. And b) to ensure Tesla Owners also have available and reliable chargers as more Teslas and non-Teslas need to use the “best charging network.” It seems to me that building out the current network of locations is a different business than expanding the network of locations. Changing a business focus requires different skills this different personnel.

[@omelborpon3159]

As an investor you may well be concerned at what Musk did with another investment of his, namely Twitter. Musk bought Twitter for US$44 billion, changed the name, and fired all the people who kept the platform honest. Then X (Twitter) lost 71% of its value (market capitalization). You have to be stupid rich, or just stupid, to lose $30 billion and then turn around and do it again. Good luck with your investments.

[@agginswaggin]

The number of people sitting in their basements, thinking they know better, is mind boggling.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

We're not on drugs though. That said, the people let go were the brains of the charger operation, not Musk. Those kind of people with their vision and institutional knowledge are hard to replace.

[@stevefisher2553]

You defend him just because you have stocks

[@xiaoka]

Yeah because Elon never does illogical poorly thought out things before.... Going private at 420!

[@juliahello6673]

@xiaoka Why is taking a company private a bad decision?

[@greghelton4668]

@@juliahello6673you are dense if you didn’t understand.

[@ferfromla]

In local media reports here in the US, there was a comment from one of the laid-off workers about how difficult it will be for Tesla to maintain and service the existing locations without them. In any case, Musk is not very popular, and this makes him less so. Many people will no longer consider buying a Tesla. On the upside, there is a need for more competition, and more companies are now helping to build out the charging infrastructure. Tesla is no longer the only game in town. The market is there, and ample government and private money is being invested. Moreover, the many talented people Musk has fired will undoubtedly be attractive hires for the companies setting up the charging infrastructure. So, I don't see this as a national crisis. This shows that Tesla is no longer the company it once was. Tesla and the other American car companies are lucky to be protected by tariffs on Chinese EVs, or they would be in big trouble. They are not protected in global markets and will face real competition there. In the end, the Musk magic is no longer there, and nothing on the horizon sets them apart from what the Chinese are producing.

[@mikeazeka1753]

Thanks Electric Viking for providing some good information. Complainers having a critical opinion without the facts, especially the costs of developing new supercharger locations, is easy and dumb. There are many challenges to developing new supercharger locations, it does make more sense to spend on maintaining existing supercharger locations and incrementally expanding the busy locations, especially since Tesla is struggling to maintain profit margins in the face of inflation, slowing growth, and supply chain struggles. Get the facts critics, this is a tough business.

[@super_hero2]

This move is because the department does not fire people as fast as he wants to, so he did what he wants to do, fire all of them to set an example. Noone fire the entire team for cost cutting.

[@juliahello6673]

Robotaxis are going to have to use inductive charging. Tesla may be switching their strategy to inductive but they don’t want to announce it yet.

[@yggdrasil9039]

Who's going to pay for that? Not the next Government that's for sure. They are much more expensive to install than chargers.

[@renaissanceman5847]

inductive charging is horrifically inefficient.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. Industive charging wastes a high proportion of the power and requires precise positioning of the vehicle. If you can do precise positioning a robot to plug in a charging cable is very straightforward.

[@beehappy7797]

@@yggdrasil9039 Do you have one at home?

[@yggdrasil9039]

@@beehappy7797 Not a dedicated wall charger. A standard 240V outdoor outlet is fine. With 15A fuse you can draw 3kW which is half to 2/3rd of a standard 60kWh M3 Tesla battery, charging overnight.

[@freddietheone8067]

With the CyberCab coming to prominence inductive charging at present locations makes MORE sense that installing new locations. This will need time to plan and install… maybe.

[@neilkurzman4907]

Inductive charging is a dream. Unless they’re doing it such an incredibly high frequency that they can overcome the power loss and inefficiency.

[@ronblack7870]

i think that most of these people in the supercharger team were hear in buffalo . we heard that 500 were let go here.

[@shortfinal999]

Well - I was at the point of placing an order for a Model 3 - my motivation for this almost entirely due to the reliable and available Tesla charging network. That's finished now. Guess I'll stick with my old stinky ICE until all this mess is sorted.

[@kennethpetersen5076]

Look towards Europe. CCS is the standard and Tesla SuperCharger network is just one network among many others. The same development will happen in the US with the NACS standard. No need for Tesla to drive the development, and they may even be facing monopoly issues. Do Tesla earn a lot on selling electricity? Probably not and they can earn a lot more by selling SuperChargers and battery infrastructure to BP, Shell, etc. This is smart move from Tesla’s side in my view.

[@EspirituOtaku]

This is the comment people need to read! Tesla is running a real risk becoming a monopoly in the coming years if they keep growing this fast in charging. Selling to others would fix this problem if Tesla just gets a cut for selling it to the likes of Shell & BP.

[@MrkBO8]

There is no profit in charging.

[@philliptemple9841]

I live in the South of France and the Tesla SC network blows everyone else away down here. CCS didn't help much with that. Phillip.

[@davidbangsdemocracy5455]

Tesla is literally the only developer of reliable ev charging infrastructure in the us. All other chargers have high downtime and can’t be trusted.

[@jfly2249]

Distances are too great in the USA for mass EV adoption given current battery technology.

[@offgridwanabe]

I think he has plans for the new use agreements to pay for the network growth, so once he has them all hooked into using his chargers he will get them to pay for new ones.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not outside the US he will not. CCS2 reigns supreme.

[@softwarephil1709]

Hard to negotiate deals if the negotiators have been fired.

[@sybaseguru]

I can think of a few sites sites needed in UK. Biggest problem is lack of N/S access on motorways. Don't need more speed as 25 min recharge is perfect break time.

[@tomsolar6051]

A point to consider. Most if not all charging locations are on a lease. That lease pricing goes on and on. If the chargers at a particular station are not breaking even or making a profit in relation to the lease payments, then it is advisable not to add any more chargers and evaluate where the location needs are if any. Hence a slowdown or pause of further build outs. I would hope, however, that positions open up at other locations for the terminated employees. With the slowdown of EV's right now thats ?

[@RayMelnik]

Most of us charge at home and there are enough chargers along the way when we travel.

[@jsanders100]

Not my experience, and they often don’t work

[@jimgraham6722]

Exactly, on the road I have accounts with two networks, neither Tesla. Never had any problems getting a charge when needed.

[@matten_zero]

Unless you don't own a home, which is most people. They need to expand demand, not contract it.

[@RayMelnik]

@@matten_zero - and they are at a rapid pace. Here in NYC Con-Ed is rolling out charge stations everywhere. My point is that it's growing at the pace it needs to and Tesla is simply keeping pace. You don't need 500 office workers to continue when most of the work is done full form in factory and it's the local workers on the ground hired to put them in. Everyone gets worked up and they don't understand the plan.

[@jimgraham6722]

@@matten_zero You don't have to own a home to rental will do. Even a trailer in a trailer park is OK. If no power point at all you have problems, although charging an EV likely the least of these.

[@billklatte7536]

Elon becoming more erratic. Scary.

[@myphonyaccount]

You can't cope with smart business decisions.

[@myphonyaccount]

You can't cope with smart business decisions?

[@billstrasburg384]

You folks don't understand what is going on in the EV market. People aren't buying electric cars as much. People aren't buying regular internal combustion cars, either. Our entire economy is being collapsed by crazy Marxist globalists. The money is not there anymore.

[@martinsoos]

The truck uses a different charger, and a market crash is getting close. Keep the ones that can revamp the charger into something that can charge more than just cars and save money at the same time.

[@dennisrivenbark3771]

I wonder if lack of power from the power grid had any effect on Elon's decision? There has been no new power stations built in the USA in many decades.

[@gfox12345]

Sam, we need to consider this. I live here in Florida. There's hundreds of superchargers around here in my area. Most of them are nowhere near capacity. The legacy auto makers are all cutting back on their EV production so the demand for superchargers is not going to increase very quickly now or perhaps not at all for a while . Elon has said they're going to focus on up time and expanding the existing superchargers, which is a great strategy because there's a pause in EV growth and demand for supercharging at the moment and it appears that the current capacity is more than enough to meet the current demand. Elon knows the data. Tesla knows the data for the capacity and the amount of utilization of those superchargers, and based on my casual observation, they're nowhere near their capacity limits in my area and EVs are very popular here in South Central Florida. I have never seen anyone waiting to use a supercharger in this area ever.

[@Dave-cf4vd]

This needs to be repeated - the other EV makers are not selling cars. They were supposed to pay for the expansion, but you can't do that in a high interest rate environment.

[@JasonEDragon]

If I were to draw a circle on a map where I live in upstate New York of locations that are within a 75-minute drive - it would include 4 supercharger stations, 3 cities, and a population of about 2 million people. The lack of DC fast chargers is definitely limiting the number of EVs sold in my area. All Elon Musk knows how to do is throw a fit and take extreme actions. Reasonable companies would have carefully scaled back the department instead of firing everyone at once. The WARN act likely applies, so Tesla probably has to keep paying the people in that department for 60 days. Why not have at least of good chunk of them continue to work in that time to have orderly change? Because he likely got mad is my guess.

[@criticalevent]

"Elon has said they're going to focus on up time and expanding the existing superchargers" Which what? the entire division was fired, there's literally no one left at the company who knows anything about them.

[@criticalevent]

@@Dave-cf4vd the federal government (US taxpayers) paid for the expansion and Elon hasn't given that money back.

[@ddeightonuk]

I posted the comment below on Sam's Facebook page this morning. Sam is constantly posting about 1000km batteries. Elon Musk met with the CEO of CATL last weekend. It seems highly likely that many Superchargers could become stranded assets. Tesla probably would be better spending scarce resources on home and destination chargers. "We are not connecting the dots here, the media is full of random articles but only Elon Musk seems to be connecting them. Sam is always posting battery breakthrough pieces and if only a fraction come to pass, only a few countries with large commuting distances will need a large EV charging network. Most will be serviced by home and destination chargers. Combine this with Tony Seba's prediction of the annual number of new vehicles required for a total global mobility solution in the next ten years and Elon Musk's actions are laid bare as obvious for those who wish to see."

[@user-ln9bk7mo3l]

Solid point, especially if they'll be driverless CyberCabs... ;)

[@yggdrasil9039]

I thought the same thing, there's no point in having a gazillion chargers if there's a 1,000km battery. But still, there's a lot of Tesla's and other EVs on the road right now that will be affected by this decision. Most EVs only have about 400km range as an average. Many like the Leaf have a lot less.

[@beehappy7797]

The goal is driverless robot taxis that are so cheap that few will need their own cars. Robot taxis will not be able to use today's superchargers.

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

Interesting points

[@user-xh2ex7bx4b]

He's a fanboy.

[@JamesMcGillis]

Good analysis of the current situation. It is not the fanboy approach, which is greatly appreciated.

[@Miata822]

In my manufacturing business (before I sold and retired after 25 years) I always took advantage of market downturns by focusing my spending on areas where my competitors were trimming their spend. All businesses, and especially automotive, are cyclical. Downturns provide the opportunity to raise a company's profile and polish its image. Musk clearly has no idea how public and industry perceptions are formed. This move has, despite what other OEMs may say, has undermined Tesla's credibility with the OEMs and vendors. That has a real cost, and will like impact sales to some extent as well.

[@gayanti]

I worked at SpaceX and they had periodic layoffs also. Its a painful but normal process that large, fast growing companies do in order to eliminate poor performers. Nothing unusual here.

[@Raelven]

Well functioning companies don't shotgun hire, then weed out underperforming staff. That's a horrible strategy.

[@user-ln9bk7mo3l]

@@Raelven No...there's no "shotgun hiring" at Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Company, Neuralink, etc. .... you're not aware of AGILE teams, and their hiring process I see.... You may want to Check it out before making broad statements like "horrible strategy" while uninformed...

[@criticalevent]

lmao, is that what they told you?

[@criticalevent]

@@user-ln9bk7mo3l He fired the entire division in one day. You're on crack if you think they were all under performing staff or that he even had the time to review half of them. He took federal money to open the supercharger network and then halted all development on the supercharger network, it's that simple.

[@abelincoln3261]

You can be sure this has something to do with Elon's China visit this week... something is going on with Tesla...

[@Mrbfgray]

Are you new here? This happens every couple yrs w Tesla. 2018 was a nonstop din of doom over "departing executives".

[@user-ln9bk7mo3l]

No..... you CAN'T "be sure" of any such connection. You have a hunch.... good that you voiced it.... being so far removed from all the facts, there is absolutely no surety involved.....

[@beehappy7797]

Tesla has scaled back superchargers for a long time. They cannot take responsibility for the entire world's car fleet. They have more important goals.

[@daves1646]

Thank you for the perspective, Sam. On whether the legacy automakers stay the course to NACS, only time will tell. The legacies sat back for a few weeks after EV sales rate started to slow (high loan costs), then they all abruptly changed course. We’ll see.

[@guypehaim1080]

On thing I would do in Mr. Musk's place is to re-allocate the charging station units from areas with low useage to areas where demand is higher.

[@i6power30]

Don't bite off the hands that feed you!

[@jlarm3]

Elon didn"t disable nor hinder the system that is in place. A system that blows the doors off any other charging systems. If Tesla's network never grew another charging site from this point on, it would still be the best in the industry.

[@i6power30]

@@jlarm3 it's going to have to expand if it wants more market share or everyone will be waiting long queues for charging

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[@frogmandave1]

I live in a midwestern town (in the US) of 400,000 people. We have one SC station with 6 chargers. 3 are 75 kw, 3 are 150 kw. My town definitely needs more chargers. This decision seems ridiculous to me.

[@MC-sm3el]

Media is upset. Yet they have been reporting of EV demand issuesmsince the first of the year. They go to Ford and GM for response, both of which have scaled back their EV aspiration....This is amusing.

[@Mrbfgray]

Best employee is no employee.

[@lbbnjsharpe]

Look in the mirror for your needs! No hate too. :) Mrbfgray, don't ask others for anything... Cast yourself on your own Selftube. Bill

[@stefan2796]

"Let that sink in..."

[@chrisgills5546]

😂

[@DG-hw8it]

True, can't do creampies anyway! ☺️

[@Mrbfgray]

@@lbbnjsharpe Not to take joke seriously but--started own contracting biz at 20 after few yrs suffering union culture in underground mining industry. Only good thing union ever did for me was motivate me to escape it. :D)

[@SkepticalCaveman]

It's much cheaper to expand existing charging stations than build new ones. Makes perfect sense.

[@EnriqueThiele]

True since all sites have the required power supply.

[@user-ln9bk7mo3l]

Agreed. Not just cheaper, but vastly better ROI because you're increasing satisfaction of those that depend on it's availability and it's based on DATA from years of usage...

[@jemezname2259]

That doesn't help those of us who have no supercharger sites nearby. We desperately need new sites!

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

​@@jemezname2259 the world does not revolve around your needs. Its for lonh range chsrging and not a way to steal power

[@xiaoka]

its harder to do that without a team that handles super chargers.

[@LithiumLife]

I think they are playing the long game before we have a supercharging unit unionize. They can rehire as contractoes or split that into a sub tesla division and laser focus on it sharing operating cost via other oems but absorbing the benefits on both ends

[@philipbrown9006]

The problem with the EV market is that self-charging hybrids are proving more popular. They only need a smaller engine than an ICEV and a much smaller battery than a BEV. They do not suffer from range anxiety or charging time problems or need a radical expansion of the charging infra-structure. They are much more economical than ICEVs and can be made at a lower cost. BEVs may one day prove to be “the future” but this could be decades away, if it ever happens.

[@bobh9492]

Hybrids are a dead end that solves nothing