Why Everyone is Complaining About Season 4 for Guilty Gear Strive

[@adenliverpool2535]

"What a season, huh?" "Captain, we're a week in"

[@TheHige42]

Arcsys has done this thing before. If no one speaks up about it nothing would be done about it. They have the inability to leave well enough alone and buff characters that needs nerfs and vice versa. If you played BB you’d see this pattern right away. They are terrible at balancing.

[@AnonFuzz]

I love that I can play Potemkin without having to rely on kara cancels for everything. Still wish they kept kara cancels though. Just cause I'm bad at pulling it off doesn't mean that I want it removed.

[@zachstarattack7320]

because even without the bugs... the direction of this patch is gorilla world. zato millia that man jackO and others get meh changes while gorillas get to rule the world

[@guutenks2498]

I KNEW YOUD BE HERE TALKING ABOUT ZATO LMFAO

[@zachstarattack7320]

@guutenks2498 I'm happy to be appreciated

[@remuvs]

While I think the overall patch is, for the most part, okay (from a casual perspective). The biggest issue for me is how ASW is continuing to buff already good characters (and not going back on previous overkill buffs) by making fundamental flaws just not really matter that much; - Ram was weak at mid-screen pressure and combos (less so after Wild Assault), now she's the GOAT at midscreen and the corner with meterless confirms/pressure extenders - Potemkin was designed to have a tougher time against characters like Asuka to balance out his strike/throw's massive reward- flick now insta wins the neutral - Johnny is untouched even when his 15f dash and guard crush offense are known to be problematic - Goldlewis doesn't need to setup drone for some setups and can just kill you whenever he wants with back-to-back typhoons. - Leo gets backturn relatively safely with the pseudo Dire Eclat from pillar

[@pateceinsanity7715]

I don’t understand why they thought it was a good idea to completely undermine the decision to increase health overall by massively increasing the damage of so many attacks, it feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

[@barrymaslow8441]

Legit. THAT'S the strangest decision they've made with this balance patch. Why bother?

[@azizkash286]

exactly. I don't get what is their direction for season 4? Its soo stupid

[@spoderbas5550]

I feel like it leads to so many more situations where I use a super to kill on a wallsplat and it leaves them alive on 1hp

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

I mean it's not every character. Just the characters that are supposed to be high damage. GL, Ram, Sol, May, Johnny, and Nago are the main ones with big damage buffs

[@Stryfe52]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034That isn’t really the point, the issue is that they completely shot damage through the roof on some moves for no discernible reason like Hohnny ensenga. Ram Calvados didn’t need the damage buff that move already melted health bars. Trying to compensate for lowering the damage by raising the damage of certain moves quite literally misses the entire point of lowering the damage

[@Tomoka51]

As an Axl player, I've been left so dissatisfied by them straight up making my character nonfunctional that I'm just probably not gonna touch the game very much until they fix all his new issues or a character I am otherwise interested in playing drops (mildly curious about Unika, and maybe I'll try Venom, we'll have to see). 6K doesn't even actually combo into Rensen 90% of the time despite that being the big thing they tried introducing him doing this patch, it's shameful.

[@LobotomyPatient]

Hey SQ loved the video, as frustrating as this patch is at times I think its important to acknowledge Arc Sys made a lot of really positive and interesting changes. I hope you create a video about that as well so people can appreciate that

[@shajita]

I'd be interested in watching that.

[@AB54099]

One positive is that they are moving a step closer to unique character identities instead of some characters being better versions of others. Jack'O 100% copied milia's homework and did it better. Ram may be better than testament still (esp if they keep the sword issues) but she now plays different enough to justify picking playing testament.

[@yeah167]

i do not like ky's 6h change, it removed a lot of his (imo) fun and interesting combo routes and generally made his combo game much more linear. i would have preferred that they give the move a large lingering hurtbox or something similar instead of increasing the recovery on it. foudre arc nerf is not quite as impactful since it was mostly only part of his easier, low damage combos so i don't mind it nearly as much. ky does have new mix and whatnot but i think given the option i would rather have the season 3 kit. i think it doesn't need to be said but di infinite is corny and boring, although even post patch cse is going to be crazy

[@spencerl.9859]

I love how Ram has just been a constant balance headache since launch. Too good at everything and too simple, then they buffed every mid range/balance character to her level and got to a point where nobody had any weaknesses.

[@LFC608]

I just want a ranked mode

[@MrCowShed]

Isn’t that the tower?

[@CielBlanche]

This is what everyone has uniformly said for years - why do they pathologically refuse to accommodate their customers?

[@satosen8722]

Tower,tower is right there

[@MDN_Moon]

@@satosen8722you think tower is a good ranked system? 💀

[@PinePizza]

​@@MDN_Moon it's so funny how celestial is ranging from the best players that absolutely wreck you to people that play like they should be somewhere around floor 7 lol

[@Nemonstitch]

As a casual who plays off and on, this patch has been really fun so far. Still looking forward to the hotfix coming up, but I'm enjoying learning the game again

[@evekay33]

its crazy bc ASW's philosophy for the changes as outlined in the patch notes sounded great to everyone, but once we got the game it feels sooo far off from their intent.

[@0therwisesleep522]

It's kinda crazy just how many times they did exactly the opposite of what they said they wanted to do, to the point where I seriously have to question the competency of the devs.

[@zxt5148]

Feels great to me. My character got playstyle defining buffs 🥰🥰

[@AB54099]

That's kinda the nature of the beast. It doesn't matter how careful and patient the developers are, they con only know for sure what's wrong once it goes public. I remember another comment saying that one hour from every active player will always be significantly more time than how ever long the devs spent on the patch.

[@Johnnyyaguchi-w7y]

​@@zxt5148 mine got completely ruined and lost what made him fun 🥰🥰🥰🥰....axl...

[@shajita]

"I logged into Strive and was shocked and appalled." "Did you run into Ram?" "No, the ranked lobby system." Seriously though, give me back Pots Kara-Cancels.

[@Cloudcolin]

Why? To abuse kara cancels like last time?

[@isaiahwoodward5831]

​@Cloudcolin Yes

[@Cloudcolin]

@@isaiahwoodward5831 I think there is a reason it was removed. The keyword = abuse

[@nlharring]

The characters that lost a lot more than they gained feel terrible with some of the whacky changes. Jack O lost a ton with the small 2d change. She feels terrible to play

[@benisign]

I deadass dropped her over it

[@BuddiLei]

Yeah for real, I used to Love Jack-O

[@SylemGistoe]

Its weird- the dash cancel servant shoot is something, but it's not like she wasn't crazy at pressure already... why reduce her set up oki options? I was really excited when I saw that dash cancel, but she feels like she got basically nothing but a nerf when so many other characters got a world of changes.

[@Tomoka51]

the two characters i played pre-patch were Axl and Jack-O....you can imagine how unhappy I am with this patch

[@kevin933]

As a Millia player, I definitely feel let down. Taking an underperforming character and making them significantly worse while they allow Johnny/GL/Ram to be in their state is careless and lazy.

[@0therwisesleep522]

As a Millia player, I felt straight up insulted. At no point in this game's lifecycle had she ever been in the conversation for top tier, but for some reason they decided to shoot her. Like at least with what they did to Zato, he was previously very frequently seen in top 8s, and the addition of a mechanic like WA meant they could have possibly pre-nerfed the character so that he didn't become an instant demon with his new tools. The fact that: a) Zato has been dead for over a year and Arcsys clearly doesn't wanna do anything about that (seriously I can count on one hand the number of Zato players I've seen in tower since the S3 nerfs) b) Millia got shot for no reason c) Asuka got nerfed way way more than he should have d) Potemkin gets his kara cancels removed and all his sauce with it e) Axl also lost a ton of his cool shit leads me to believe that they just don't want people playing hard characters. I'm sure Jack-O is next on the list to catch a crippling nerf

[@Hazzzyyyyyy]

Same here fellow Millia mains. Like why nerf Kapel? It can be air thrown and has counter play. It’s not our fault that people don’t take the time to learn her weaknesses. She has bottom 1 health on top of nerfed 6p, nerfed wall spalt resets, and Kapel which is how she literally survives being in the air. It’s not a traditional projectile so why nerf it? You have to be literally on top of the opponent. The buffs she got while nice aren’t really what she needed while other characters like Ram and Goldlewis become juiced beyond belief and she gets nothing to compensate her actual weaknesses and struggles that she’s always had. So now she struggles even MORE. She can literally die in one mistake in this game from someone mashing huge buttons while we have to work arguably harder than almost any other rushdown character in the game atm.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

​@0therwisesleep522 I mean Asuka deserved to be nerfed like that, his zoning was way to strong

[@internalscreaming8835]

​@@0therwisesleep522As an Axl player (as well as a Millia), I'm glad to see his nerfs brought up. I feel like they aren't noted by most, but the fact that Rainwater doesn't vacuum anymore alone killed a lot of my best combos with him, and now it feels like I'm much more desperately chipping for damage with stray hits that hardly convert and using Sickle Flash a lot more to play the keep away game, which isn't fun for either party, even if it's what Axl is meant to be doing. Though, let's not forget Nago's sauce also being absolutely robbed from him, on the note of Potemkin. I don't know much about Nago besides my friend who played him before dropping him this patch, but the fact one of his best combos is now heavy slash -> Roman Cancel -> heavy slash -> Roman Cancel -> heavy slash is such a robbery when he's another super hard and super cool character that got gutted of that complexity, just like Potemkin (even if he was a pain to play against at times). Glad Bedman? at least got a buff as another difficult character that desperately needed health more than anything. Might even at least be mid tier to make up for all the other hard characters that have lost their sauce (still trying to determine it myself, but he absolutely feels a lot better to play than he used to).

[@0therwisesleep522]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 True, but the way they nerfed him was so inept that now the only way he can actually win is with projectile spam. they just made the situation where he can spam rarer, but didn't make him any stronger otherwise

[@Kanrararaa]

"I think this season is pretty fun" - ramlethal player

[@sundevil34]

As a slayer main I’m still eating good.

[@Eigalaxy]

I like the fact they weren’t scared to make a big jump even though there’s some issues that can be fixed but overall I like it

[@Manuel-s8f5y]

If Potemkin changes have a million haters, then I am one of them. If Potemkin changes have ten haters, then I am one of them. If Potemkin changes have only one hater, then that is me. If Potemkin changes have no haters, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is in favor of Potemkin changes, then I am against the world.

[@bushsbakedbeans2348]

AMEN

[@TehStylishone]

How long have you played Pot? You play competitive? Curious about a consensus

[@jamaledwards8118]

​Good question bro.

[@Manuel-s8f5y]

@@TehStylishone i played Pot a total of about 5 hours, 4 of them trying to get consistent with kara cancels. I couldn't so i left it to the truly faithful, and kept playing Giovanna. And yes i did play competitive, i entered about 20 tournaments, won 1, coolest moment ever, final was against a godlike Potemkin, who im sure is really pissed right now.

[@kombatjenning]

I think season 4 is trying to go a proper direction to bring new life into Strive and Dizzy is fun but there is CLEAR oversight that was missed before releasing the patch that hopefully, the Guilty Gear team at Arc Sys will PROPERLY look from fan feedback.

[@MAZZIXA]

The other reason why the Guilty Gear strive community is upset is because of the update cycles of the game they are downright bad. Because of this we know this problems are not gonna go soon. This also makes Arcys more hesitant to make strong characters because of how long it takes for the game to be patched . Arcsystem needs to patch the game more frequently because if they don't it would take a long time bringing some broken characters to reasonable strength. For example Happy Chaos it took 1year to finally bring him to reasonable strength. It was just 2 patches but took an entire year to do. For example if the game was patched every 2 weeks we wouldn't be as upset as now because the community would be like there gonna fix the balance issue in no time because of how frequently it's patched. I feel like the community also needs to demand more frequent patch cycles.

[@LecorbakOfficial]

"For example Happy Chaos it took 1year to finally bring him to reasonable strength" 2 years

[@robotizedcyborg7788]

Woah woah woah, balancing the game too quickly will only serve to make the community more upset. The best thing to do is to have a balance every time a character releases, that way the devs can focus on both balancing the characters and making new characters at the same time, while also allowing us to have enough time to get used to the character changes and respond accordingly.

[@flowerpatternsocks]

i think they needed to just straight up nerf certain top tiers. I think asw is too scared to upset the players of higher tier characters but if they become less of a problem they will inevitably upset the players so they end up nerfing chars then buffing something else, sometimes too much. also even ignoring bugs PLUS 30 ram sword toss is RIDICULOUS. i am not the best at the game but it feels like my skill does not matter when she throws the sword then i am blocking and then she can loop it afterwards

[@drewsbiggestfan689]

Testament got 1 new change and a worse 6P (one of our few good tools mind you) and arc sys called it a day. I get that we got a post-evo buff but it brought us from low tier to barely mid-tier. I don't know if arc sys will ever give DLC characters new moves, but testament is definitely one that deserves it. Out of all of season 1, they're definitely undertuned

[@AnimeRoyal_25]

Interesting idea, bad execution the patch

[@francocruz75]

I play Millia, and actually, after a day or so of adjusting my game plan without kapel, Millia still seems viable. The back airdash cancel is a really great move in practice. It's best used for crossing up your opponent faster with a high low when you double air dash past an opponent or simply jump past an opponent, then back dash it puts your opponent in a position to where they have to guess what side you will attack. The main downside is that it can be easily anti aired, so you have to play a bit of mind games with your opponents with kapel and turbo fall. Air dust cancel is good but not really that useful so far. Mizarh is really nice change, but im having issues canceling it into other moves sometimes when in an online match. Offline It's perfect. it's just hard to get heavy disc out without accidentally executing winger. (That's probably just me) i honestly think she's ok in general, but her damage and health nerfs seem to be a bit much she already has the weakest supers and lowest damage. It feels like ASW doesn't like Millia. I believe if they gave her one more special move, like and upwards, kick out of mizarh or a slight buff to her other special moves to make them easier to execute like turbo fall canceled into other moves like kapel or bad moon , she'll be in a very good spot.

[@rickberny1424]

What i dont understand is the dissonance between how some characters were treated and others, some were plunged into gg strive rev2 some were just nerfed Like Nago and ramlethal have been buffed basically every other season since released (ram JUST got a new move ffs), but here we go, reworked Goldlweis and pot were doing fine but theywent full "fuck it we ball" and reworked them to make full use of their identities But then you have entries like asuka or slyer, or jako and millia (from what ive heard) that where just nerfed to make them more balanced or in line, despite not necessarily being top tiers. Or take sol that DID get rework, that basically made him BY FAR the most boring and simplified character in the game, removing basically all intersting maneuvers he had but giveing him YET AGAIN new combo routes by making fafnir and vortex little more than combo tools. Also gunflame and bandit revolver are usless basically. Im not necessarily against any ONE of these changes, but its just that all of em in the same patch just... doenst make sense, some characters got shafted and some are playing stive 2. Of course the biggest problem is that the next patch in woth we can hope for some fixes, is coming on 3-4 months amd we know arcsys doesn't go back on they changes

[@icarusetj5162]

Personally I like the patch but a degree of overturning with Ram Pot and GL. To me these characters have distinctively been not only changed but hurt matchups extremely. I play most of base roster and season 1&2 characters. My main being mostly Zato and Bedman. The recent changes I feel have put both of my mains in a good spot to where people don’t hate playing the matchup anymore. However with the afformentioned characters I dislike how one to two mistakes completely destroy my gameplay experience. Zato vs Pot u loose to two pot busters and since new changes it’s almost impossible to react and jump out even on hard knock down. I don’t know if that’s how they intend things to be. But I think they need to fix the things like defense for characters again. Mainly fix bottom 5 health characters. Also Millia just feels so sad now.

[@icarusetj5162]

Edit: I feel that Zato can’t pressure Pot at all

[@antyspiral6916]

​@icarusetj5162 Ram and GL are overturned? Sure. Absolutely. But Pot? Not even close to either of the other two characters mentioned. You think Pot is overtuned because you don't know how to interact with his pressure.

[@ReRubis]

The problem with new Kapel is that we get a knockdown, but it's not a good one. :\ Millia can only get high/low from that HDisk and opponent can 6P out of it. Not to mention that Kapel -> j.K is inconsistent and depends on height, space and stuff. And if you don't link anything after Kapel, it's punishable on hit. There are ways around it and stuff, but it does feel untested and unpolished. Also j.D buff. How much damage they gave it completely changes our optimals. :\ At least we get to say that we are "dustlooping" now. :D

[@barrymaslow8441]

"... almost literally..." Good shit.

[@finallyanime]

I think the issue more than anything…more than changes…are certain key aspects being taken away constantly & more than that, taken away for no reason or feel malicious. Additionally arcsys is so horny for fan favorites yet hardly give lesser played characters some sauce they’ll enjoy for more than a day (testament stain throw…we been waiting months bro). Then they nerf certain moves and just leave them broke like limp noodles. The bugs is whatever…it’ll get fixed, but them constantly so excited to keep Hc super strong on every front along with Johnny and slayer. They completely ignore our concerns and frustrations then just decide we don’t know what we’re talking about wtffff

[@swerse]

As a may main I’m eating! YOUR HEALTH BARS I LOVE IT

[@KaiserRexatron]

Season 4's been kinda iffy for me. I love the intent behind Ram's new direction, I love all the non-bug aspects of new sword toss, and I'm eager to see how her new pressure gets optimized and developed with time. I even like that they made her 214H slower so it's harder to just send it in neutral with RC! But I don't think I'm a fan of her other special move changes... like I'm having trouble trying to understand why they felt the need to change Daruo, rekka, and flip. Daruo feels more restricting to use, rekka 1 loops look so ugly to me, enhanced rekka guard crushes feel pointless, and making flip an even faster overhead feels even more pointless without a similarly ranged low to also threaten with. After they fix her bugs I'll give Ram some more time, but until then I'm glad I at least have Elphelt!

[@bezoznaught5261]

Because they keep killing characters to make other ones busted, like stop these hard core nerfs, just adjust them, jesus. Sin is dead, jacko is dead AGAIN, Pot is ok balance wise, but they took away his creativity, axl is dead, and dizzy is trash on arrival XD, like arcsys, wtf, you're doing the wrong drugs, get back on the right ones.

[@quintonlich]

Somehow, despite all the changes, all of the same characters are still good

[@0therwisesleep522]

But Millia really needed those nerfs, so at least there's that /s

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

I know right?! They tried so hard to nerf Sol, Ram, and May but somehow they're still on top

[@Stryfe52]

Sol is much less obnoxious now, but they need to revert the damage buffs they decided to give him this patch. He can literally 2 touch Johnny if he has full meter like WHY

[@SycomMC]

Also, I wouldn't say I like the Idea of being unable to pick up swords. 3 Reasons: You get them back after wall break or getting wall broken so it's not really a proper resource. Because they give you a flat damage nerf for using sword moves, they effectively punish the player just for playing and make any combo route that does not rely on swords more optimal. And it makes Calvados as a wall break option almost unusable (if the developers ever double down on Ram actually needing the swords for stuff)

[@AdamJorgensen]

The reason this game feels boring is because it's too shallow and too fast (by too fast I mean rounds are over too fast. Compared to Xrd this game feels sluggish to play). Overall, I'm losing confidence in ASWs ability to deliver on any kind of vision for the game.

[@mathewhaight]

What makes it shallow?

[@yagami999913]

​@@mathewhaight where do i start ? Nerfed gatlings ? Fewer special moves ? No air tech ? Shimmies ? Removed DP RC ? 2-touch death gameplay ? I could go on but i think you get the point.

[@mathewhaight]

@yagami999913 Then, does that mean Street Fighter is shallow? Considering that all those things apply and then some.

[@yagami999913]

@@mathewhaight There are sub-genres within the fighting game genre. Strive is an anime fighter. SF is a more traditional, grounded one. Comparing Strive to SF is like comparing Death metal to Mozart...

[@mathewhaight]

@yagami999913 I do agree with that, but I don't necessarily think that a lack of complexity means that something is shallow. Especially since Xrd, by the end of its run, effectively perfected what Guilty Gear was trying to be. If these things were not applied to strive, then it would have just been Xrd.5. I know that that is basically what people want from a fighting game sequel, but considering that I already have Xrd, strive would have been far less appealing if it was just more of the same when we already got a perfected version of that. Granted, that is a subjective opinion, but I still think that this was the right direction to go into. This patch however, is a different matter.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

SQuirrel they took out the rekka 2 dash cancel because Rekka 2 can guardcrush

[@0therwisesleep522]

As of season 4, I've quit the game until they fix both the bugs and the balance. After 3 years I'd resigned myself to the fact that arcsys just didn't want Millia to be strong in strive, but I didn't expect them to completely gut one of her most essential tools considering she was already bottom 5. Especially since Kapel loses to airgrab if you know it's coming. Oh and they also cut down her HP for some fucking reason. Meanwhile, the same handful of characters get slap on the wrist nerfs and compensatory buffs patch after patch after patch. That's to say nothing of the bugs. Maybe I'll check back when they release a balance patch in 6 months, but until then arcsys can get fucked. my refund request for the season 4 pass was denied, but I think I might press steam support a little harder because I really really really don't wanna financially reward the devs for this kind of shit.

[@mathewhaight]

I only play the game casually with friends every now and then, and when I did, I enjoyed playing milia. What tool did they gut from her?

[@Dude9106]

​@@mathewhaight they have nerfed kapel to make it easier to beat

[@mathewhaight]

@Dude9106 That's lame.

[@0therwisesleep522]

@@Dude9106 Not only is it easier to beat, she no longer gets any reward from kapel when he gets a hit from it. If she spaces it perfectly she can can get a 2k>2D, but it's a far 2k/2D so she doesn't even get a proper HDisc setup from it

[@uniquename6925]

Instead of reflecting upon themselves, they blamed the beasts

[@saucytriceratops365]

Heavy caveat, I am a floor 5-8 player. I am really happy with the changes and really enjoy the game. I love Dizzy. I don't play her but I find her to be a very fun looking character and enjoy the new mechanics and I don't mind playing against her at all. I don't love all the bugs but I have to say, I don't think they make the game unplayable to me. I don't play this game for money, I can totally get how it feels for those that do. Overall, still feel like this game is going strong and I really enjoy playing it

[@TheUbernuck]

I'm floor 10 with most characters and celestial on my main, this game has been fun its whole lifespan and so far I'm loving season 4. Playing competitively has gotta suck but I wish floor 10 and below players didn't just echo all the complaints the top influencers have. It's so sad to see a floor seven player drop a character because someone put them low down in a tier list.

[@StreyX]

A lot of people doom about Pot, but he's just not locked behind doing kara back megafist to optimize his damage anymore. Losing kara Pot buster and garuda sucks for pressure, sure. However, not having a high execution ceiling to optimize his damage, just makes sense. It is definitely weird playing him now, but it's not THAT much of a difference in terms of approach. Oki is still pretty similar. I'm not sure what to make of some of his button changes and the armor for Potbuster being so late(I guess it's for a scenario where you're getting the opponent to try and do a delayed button or counterpoke a tick throw?) though.

[@theoverlander4579]

You don't need kara garuda to stay in their face anymore though because you don't suffer any pushblock. It's a projectile now technically.

[@blastimbre]

Removing the kara cancels makes him boring. It killed his execution and identity in strive. Not to mention hundreds of hours of practice. If he is better or worse is irrelevant, the changes are bad. It's not fun and just makes him the typical boring big body grappler.

[@zxt5148]

@@blastimbre You know there's another big body character who heavily relies on kara's and just got a huge buff to his kit that increases player expression and allows for some pretty sweet conversions. You can just pretend 268->grab during guardcrush is a command throw.

[@herbbirb3766]

I think the idea for kBMF juggles being necessary to optimize damage only stings because slayer just has damage that absurd with almost none of that execution. For every optimized pot route there's always a far easier equivalent that only loses 20-30 damage or so.

[@lowkeyajax]

I think in regards to making characters easier late in the games life, they might be expecting at least a decent sized new boost of players from the upcoming anime. Ram is one of the characters they have explicitly said is gonna be in it, so it makes sense they'd make her easier.

[@RobertNobert97]

I’m liking the increased defense. More interactions has made neutral game and punish game feel more impactful. Generally I’m happy with the changes.

[@Stryfe52]

One might say, you’re happy with the chaos

[@aa7146]

Until nago pot ram Johnny hits me once

[@yoyoguy1st]

I haven’t noticed a change at all being completely honest.

[@riddickavila05]

I play faust, and i feel like he just didnt get enough. The new move is borderline worthless. None of his moves actually got more damage, only some of his items. The spit changes are actually good and open up more routes and things. The j2k nerf felt unnecessary. Guilty gear strive season 4 is out and all i got was this lousy golf club

[@FatherMulk]

I haven't felt good about Faust changes since season 2. They do nothing but give this character the lamest shit imaginable.

[@RoleplayUnderMaintenance]

The recka 1 loops look so terrible the old recka 1-2 loops were saucy why arcsys

[@totallynotdio1311]

Thebreally dropped the ball and did no playtrsting. For every good change ther eis a dumb change as well. I think the reason is they are wasting too much resources on 3v3 mode (no one asked for btw) instead of making the game good Oh and obviously as a axl player i hate how they ruined my beloved rainwater, i think favlurite move in fighting games...

[@HammiRammi]

I'm leaning positive on the patch, but a little worried depending on how they go about it I like that they're willing to shake things up, they just need to polish this patch and fit it within the vision i think they had for it- which imo, was pretty good

[@Ashragi]

As a Potemkin main my character is not in the game, I fought through the ages of him being bottom 1 and I’m having zero hesitation just playing with friends while back patched rather than playing S4

[@spoderbas5550]

My buddy who’s a Potemkin player says that once you readapt he’s actually better than he was before

[@pateceinsanity7715]

@@spoderbas5550 yea he’s objectively better, because pot is such a scumbag now, oh my god he’s insufferable.

[@spoderbas5550]

@ yeah he’s rough to fight now, doesn’t seem like he has any counter play when he has meter

[@Ashragi]

@ I actually agree, I think he’s a better character. He’s NOT a fun character, or at least not fun in the way I’m looking for. I loved pot cause he broke free of the stereotype of the clunky grappler. Just adding damage and armor to everything is *fine* but now he feels like every other dime a dozen clunky grappler. That’s not even an insult, I’m a Master Gief in SF6 and have a blast with the character. But Strive Potemkin was by FAR m favorite fighting game character of all time. If I wanted to play Gief I’d go play SF6. He’s not hitting my dopamine in the context of guilty gear. There’s nothing making me want to ever touch that character.

[@amai2307]

​@@pateceinsanity7715how so? They nerfed his mobility and slide head, and thats about everything which was keeping him from being hopelessly beaten.

[@coolfish420]

I like the concept of carving out niches for each character, but yeah, it's been a pretty big adjustment. Saying you want lower defense and then increasing damage a lot of the time seems weird.

[@MafooDZubu]

17:43 As a Johnny Main, i need to agree, ensenga is doing bazilhions of damage. and this combo its the fucking optimal now

[@Znxrlax.gaming]

I just started playing this game two days ago , did I join at the wrong time? , should come back later 😭😭?

[@mategido]

I don’t understand a thing I just got the game but damn I love the story and characters and am having fun so far, hope they address the problems

[@ATLRiot_]

20:02 the way I flinched and had a mini heart attack. In all seriousness good video and discussion, I feel the same way but too annoyed and titled to articulate it lol

[@Emillll]

Very nice analysis. I've been trying to get back into Strive because of Dizzy and don't really know the impact of a lot of the patch changes. What do you think of ABA and Gio in this patch?

[@nirvana1986]

A lot of these changes could have been better executed but at least they are communicating with us

[@Znxrlax.gaming]

Ram is lowkey crazy ,i thought i was tripping granted im new so part of it is my defense but ig according to what im hearing i wasn’t too far off

[@crazykid1325]

Dizzy is great, may damage is funny. I love this season when I’m not fighting ram

[@TheAlex010]

Honestly I kinda like the patch as a whole. Looking at each individual change I don't like it. Ram is dumb, GL op, ky nerfed, no more kara on pot, nago op etc But idk the patch is just fun for some reason. Lots of new toys ig

[@itsrumspringaa]

I think they made the easier inputs for the joycon switch players that are about to start in January

[@MZero8099]

This feels almost like the "preaseason" in games like League of Legends. Nothing is balanced, a lot of wild ideas are getting thrown out there, then after that they lock everything that works into the game. I think they don't do much if any competitive tournaments during the preseason though.

[@Znxrlax.gaming]

Is that why I felt like my health was getting destroyed playing against may 😭i read her archer type so I was just under the impression “oh well she’s supposed to be that strong “

[@konebany7317]

Totally unbalanced game and biased developers and community

[@AB54099]

I was dooming at first but the more I played the patch, the more I was able to be won over by the decisions team red has made. It was really a few nasty and disgusting blemishes that needed exploitation by the playerbase for the lack of polish to truly show.

[@Pzdoesstuff]

I miss millia a lot but ive been playing may a lot more along with dizzy. Its fun so far but theres a small void thats just there

[@professorlapis8305]

I dont really like this new ram change, her nee play style feels kinda iffy and new guard crushes are a bit weird to get used to but as a testament as well im loving the grab buff for stain

[@env3lop]

I think the patch is a lot of fun but I play nago and Bridget. I think nago is so much better and Bridget is a lot more fun with steerable rolling movement. I do think dizzy is a pretty annoying character to play against but that’s probably just a nago thing

[@mrs_trains_6213]

as a faust main im just confused. like items are "better" but they dont really feel much different. golf club is a nice anti air but is still 5050 and being faust his matchups only got worse with opponents buffs

[@amai2307]

At least he wasnt straight up nerfed, like pot and millia.

[@joaquinbitancor1269]

I have seen people using it in blockstrings, so there's that atleast

[@holy2685]

increasing def mod while increasing dmg just benefits big bodies and well rounded characters which feels like s3 on crack now

[@jamesk2325]

No new characters I'm interested in playing, new characters I do not want to fight, buffs to characters I already loathe fighting, nerfs to characters I enjoy playing. I only played because a friend bought me the season pass without me asking. If there's a season 5 I'll look and see if Jam is here yet and til then I'm playing Tekken

[@SXArchives]

I'm not very good at the game but I was slowly improving right before season 4 with Ram and now I feel like I don't have a gameplan cause of how she feels a little clunky to me

[@SPONGCHAO]

you're not alone, she feels like an unfinished beta character now lol

[@azizkash286]

Damage is still too high imo

[@yagami999913]

Because they thought it was a good idea to increase damage on a bunch of moves in a patch that was supposed to lower the overall damage and promote more interactions during a match...

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Just to be pedantly precise: More interactions is not the same as less damage on average. It SHOULD mean less effective combos. If someone can kill you with 5 jabs, that is more damage, but if those jabs dont combo, then you have to interact at least five times. I understand they aren't delivering this either, I just wanted to highlight the difference in concept.

[@FURIASN]

Chipp is super inconsistent now, every old rout now drops, so punish is a nightmare, this rope brings nothing but problems.

[@thetruerepairman7495]

I'm wondering there's some uncertainty internally whether or not there's going to be another GG in the pipeline soon with ASW. Furthermore, Strive is the conclusion of the story for the main characters. I feel like the developers wanted to extend the life of GGST as long as possible due to this uncertainty. Because by reworking all the character mechanics, with confidence that everything will be smoothed out in good time, and that the game being rebalanced in a good way, this game's life span has just been extended a year or two. The other thing is that you can tell that there is not enough man power in the developmental side. This patch is very ambitious, for them to even accomplish so much in a year is amazing. So I wouldn't be surprised if they release it with expectation with bug reports, as if they're using their own player base as QA for patch.

[@0therwisesleep522]

Arcsys is a AAA game studio that's been around for decades, coming off of their biggest commercial success in the history of the company. In a year, they've put in 3 characters (all of which were returning so they at least had a character design to start from), 3 stages, one minor balance update, and another balance update that's so incredibly poorly executed that it has more noticeable bugs than all previous versions of the game combined, which is to say nothing of the actual balance changes. If that constitutes an amazing job, you need to raise your standards. This kind of output is usually only considered acceptable among Star Citizen fans

[@flowerpatternsocks]

@@0therwisesleep522this comment shows a lack of understanding of 3d modelling especially the 3d modelling style of guilty gear. To get this style the 3d models need to be really well crafted. ASW is probably the best company at achieving this style a lot of other games will use the same actual model and just change things like hair and clothes, every character model is made ground up and it must take a really long time. On top of this arcsys is more AA than AAA i feel like it doesn’t get as much funding as games like street fighter which end up having the same amount of new chars and stages in the same amount of time. The last 3 characters have all had probably the highest level of animation out of the entire cast. Animating characters like aba in the way they did is a really amazing artistic achievement. 3 characters in a year is probably just because of the sheer amount of love and passion put into those characters. They could have probably released 4 or 5 different characters with the same level of animation as one of the base roster characters (already amazingly animated) but have chosen to consistently attempt to one up themselves

[@Johnnyyaguchi-w7y]

The main story of like sol/asuka is indeed concluded, but at the end of strive's story mode they showed happy chaos being ready to make a mess once again. Also the focus of the series is slowly shifting from sol to sin. After the anime, we are probably getting a new gg more focused on sin and on the anime

[@0therwisesleep522]

@@flowerpatternsocks If the art comes at the cost of literally everything else, then it's poor resource allocation on the part of ASW. This is a fighting game, not an anime. Also, arcsys has over 200 employees. If that's not AAA, what is?

[@flowerpatternsocks]

@ The people working on the character model and animations would be a different team to the balance and programming shit right? I just wanted to point out that game dev is actually very hard. 200 isn’t that much and not all of them are working on ggst. They also publish a bunch of games so id say it’s probably like at most 50 people. Also 3 is actually still quite a lot for a fighting game. Like street fighter has also had like that many. Tekken has had WAY less and bandai namco is totally giving that game way more funding, that game LITERALYL refuses the models from the last game. Who do you play btw you seem super upset about the new season.

[@rocket6108]

People saying pot is better and he is simpler now... You need to cancel hammerfall into hammer fall break instantly just to do a decent combo in mid screen with no metter or burst, idk if its just me being bad but i dont care if this pot is better, it just doesnt feel like pot at all

[@yagami999913]

Well, he actually does feel more like he was in past GG games with the buffed hammerfall break. You don't like it because he just happens to play different from what you want.

[@blastimbre]

​@yagami999913 people dont like it because its a flip in his identity in this game. Pot has been all about kara cancels for the last few years. Its murding something people loved about the character for no good reason.

[@rocket6108]

@blastimbre999913 yeah, even if it wasn't the most difficult technique it was hard to pull off constantly to the point where you saw professionals failing to do a Kara backwards megafist, it was hard but it gave it a small skill ceiling and some depth as a character

[@rocket6108]

@@yagami999913 I don't like it because a core mechanic that was there for three straight years was removed for no reason

[@yagami999913]

@@blastimbre If you think the removal of a single kara causes a flip in a fighting game character's whole identity then i don't know what to tell you ...

[@Swahmee_salami]

Ram def got some SEVERE changes

[@SirGay009]

i just lost hope and passion for game and my loved characters? Now i feel so lonely, because i don`t feel any attachment to any character like... i don`t like their gameplay, their combos and now that there`s so much cool new stuff i don`t feel like i like it anymore

[@SycomMC]

I am a Ram player but I don't have time to re learn the character. So I am having a bad time, everything I liked is gone and when I win its because of stupid cheese. I am not enjoying playing the game and neither is my opponent D:

[@crazykid1325]

If milla gets hit by mays ch 5h on round start she loses 90%, May doesn’t spend any reasorces, and I’m not exaggerating she actually loses that much lmao

[@chickenfriedrice2808]

Why in the world did they say that Bedman had too op pressure when goldlewis exists. Like, you have so many characters that have better pressure, but hate bedman I guess. Cant buff him without a nerf, meanwhile goldlewis TOD

[@blastarrow6562]

Love this patch bar the bugs.

[@Darkfry]

It's like they forgot how to do game design with Ram, I don't get it

[@xcreenplay7264]

I'm currently avoiding the jank stuff by playing less 😂 but it's been fun so far, but nago is a joke 🙄

[@Unholy_Brez]

I play Happy Chaos…right now Potekmin Is the last thing I wanna see 😭😭

[@uniquename6925]

This season is a lot of fun

[@hyperacute.]

but on the plus side, Dizzy

[@zhaoyun255]

Funny because if you are a Pot player, Ram is actually your best matchup now since you can flick Sword Toss AND the Sword Explosion. Ram has to get in your mid range (which happened to be Pot's BEST range right now.) in order to start her offense. Pot and his new HFB setup could literally ended a round in 5-10 secs once he got it going.

[@Basswire]

new hfb setup? do elaborate :)

[@zhaoyun255]

@@Basswire HFB reduce recovery allow you to do some NASTY tick throw setup RPS with your long range normal such as 2S and 5H or 2H as well. 2S and 5H on CH would guaranteed a HFB>Bustour easily thanks to increased Pot Range. Instead of doing a Long HFB, you could do 2 consecutive short range HFB with about the same distance. HFB also carries the armor from HF in this patch so they have to double guess as well. Talking about guess, your enemies will HAVE to guess either Bustour or Heavenly because they used the same directional input now.

[@Mira-km8em]

And, despite all the changes, the lobbies remain the same...

[@shunpo5394]

I can’t believe they nerfed nago this fucking hard. Like what do you mean I can’t combo from my combo starter anymore??? What do you mean I go to 1hp when I use super??? SOL BADGUY????

[@spoderbas5550]

@@shunpo5394 go to training and do beyblade into shizuriyuki into beyblade into shizuriyuki into beyblade inso shizuriyuki and then blood rage into close slash into ult. Its so much damage for so little skill

[@shunpo5394]

@ nuh

[@yagami999913]

​​@@shunpo5394 stop crying and adapt. Nago is still top tier. He just plays a little different now.

[@evilded2]

This is the 3rd video with this title I've seen today

[@Jaegan]

Have some engagement, thanks for the vid

[@Amaling]

Game too balanced, people complain about it being boring. Game too fresh, people complain about it being unbalanced. Still think the Pot changes are incredibly stupid, and obviously the bugs

[@TheWestto]

People were not complaining that balance was boring. End of season 3 was boring because we've playing that version of the game for a very long time, like almost 15 months..

[@Chocolatebeeef]

I wanna be happy but they changed Pot. But Pot feels way better.

[@yagami999913]

Damage felt the highest this season i swear 😂

[@Znxrlax.gaming]

Anyone wanna coach me or lab with and get good enough to participate in tournaments ?? Probably a weird question to ask in someone comment section , sorry if this comes off odd

[@SydneySininen]

Idk man it's ok - A Johnny main

[@affinity601]

🐐

[@seltzer666]

season 4 makes me wish i got into fighterz instead

[@dillancrevier7989]

Im really loving this season, they added crazy stuff to almost every character making the game feel fun to me for a first time in a while.

[@floraphore]

I stopped playing GGST after this patch. Literally stopped playing and picked up DBFZ instead. And this is after playing since season 1.

[@xChieftainx]

Jacko is ruined FeelsBadMan