Why everyone's fighting over the carbon tax (again) | About That

What happens when you exempt some people from a controversial federal tax, but not others? About That producer Lauren Bird explains why some premiers are criticizing the federal government's carbon tax exemption and how the controversial tax is creating unlikely allies.
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[@jt8218]

No one in Canada should pay any tax or GST for home electricity and heating.

[@1000sister]

Manipulative taxation is not going to work on me. I am not going to change one thing as Alberta winters are cold and we have a natural gas furnace. It is punishment on regions that do not have hydro electricity. Even if I used an electric car, 86% of electricity here is generated by natural gas and coal so what is the difference there. Unfair taxes should not be collected.

[@konadoggerc9605]

@@PigeonHoot they pay more tax than you already, its nice to see that you know nothing about what your talking about

[@PigeonHoot]

@@konadoggerc9605 yeah and they used to pay a lot more, before they did a switch and started taxing the population more and the rich less. They already have all the money, just sitting there doing literally nothing (not participating in the economy), that money doesn't get circulated around. And we need to hold accountable those who produce the green house gasses, idk why you are against the bill that's literally trying to lessen our impact as a nation to the climate crisis we are living in. Remember those forest fires, they will be worst just watch. Remember those record temps we have been having for the last 9 months???

[@PigeonHoot]

@@konadoggerc9605 ok and keep on spewing the talking points you got in your social media echo chamber, or look at the tax revenu you have this year and the year its gonna get axed.

[@phloxdiffusa]

Especially in Alberta where they pay 26 cents per kwh, whereas in BC we pay 11 cents per Kwh.

[@krisclimber7394]

A tax is not a climate plan.

[@beyondfossil]

A carbon tax is a *part* of a climate plan. The money goes towards other climate initiatives and puts additional pressure on the markets to switch away from fossil fuel energy.

[@f1rstp0st]

@@beyondfossil Giving Ottawa more money to solve problems is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

[@markanderson100]

@@beyondfossil While I agree that the carbon "tax" is a part of the climate plan, it's meant to be revenue neutral. The money from the carbon "tax" does not go towards other initiatives; it's returned to Canadians in the form of rebates based on their income level. The lower your income, the higher your rebtate.

[@markanderson100]

@@f1rstp0st This is just blind and misguided government hatred.

[@saskwatch123]

@@beyondfossil Not sure what the plan is and its obviously not working. It was a huge blunder that did nothing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. A dollar spent generates emissions no matter who spends it. The massive increase in Federal government spending resulted in a large increase in emissions. This government has no idea how to reduce emission or a comprehensive plan to achieve that. All it did was make people angry and fuel the denial movement. It was a monumental screw up.

[@michaelbyers8130]

These numbers are sooooooo inaccurate, my accountant informed me the rebate gets you 20 percent of the total you pay on average. The numbers are deceiving when looking at the supply chains as most goods are taxed multiple times by the carbon tax per one good or service and charged GST on top of the tax! For example a produce item at a grocery store is taxed more times than we ever thought. (1) The diesel on the tractor/ combines and farm equiptment ( 2) The diesel or fuel consumed to transport the finished goods to the store by large trucks (3) tax on fertilizer and diferent growth agents deemed high in emissions by the government. Its absolutely insane to think prices arent effected.💰💰💰💰💰

[@brucehindle879]

Your accountant forgot to mention Tax on Grocery Stores for heating and Refrigeration.

[@Karlswebb]

Your accountant is wrong. You might, but on average we get back more than we pay. My friend gets 800 a year. They do not pay 800 dollars in carbon tax a year. But hey; your accountant said it so it’s true! Must be nice to live in a world where truth doesn’t exist lol. Use facts bud, not feelings. You’re a poor liar.

[@trevorrose6223]

@@Karlswebb show me the math formula for what you paid in carbon tax? Or are you just saying other people are wrong because the government told you that you are getting more back? Do you think a trucking company is just eating the cost or passing it on? Are farmers drying grain eating the cost or passing it on? Are the grocery stores eating the cost on heating and cooling or passing it on because none of that has been added to the formula when the government did the math for this tax. And they have admitted none of it has been put in the equation. So please send me the formula you use and I will wait for the so called facts.

[@maxxwellbeing9449]

@@Karlswebb Did you just say that we get back more than we pay? That doesn’t even make any sense. It’s not even logical by any stretch of the imagination. Why charge it if they going to give it all back and then some? A carbon tax is not for us, it’s for the government. It’s foolish to think otherwise.

[@vonclod123]

@@KarlswebbKeep drinking that kool aid

[@abbush2921]

It's a mess like everything this government touches

[@BronsonWally]

When are Canadians going to grow up and realize paying more taxes won't change the weather ? How embarrassing and foolish Canada looks

[@LT-xo3dj]

You got that right bud it’s a money grab

[@john15008]

Oh, please! Carbon taxes aren't intended to "change the weather." More than 46 countries around the world (and counting) have adopted carbon pricing as part as their emission reduction efforts. Sweden has had one for more than 30 years. I don't think they're embarrassed.

[@sum1337]

it just a tax to pay for the out of control social services budgets to buy votes and the covid fiasco its not a tax its a tax to save the environment so you guys can't be mad about it right? riiiiiight?? @@john15008

[@huggybear3098]

​@@john15008and not a single one has reduced emissions by taxing it's citizens!!

[@envirocat]

​@@john15008and per capita they have lower carbon footprint than North America

[@createone100]

No one is talking about propane. On many prairie farms, propane is the only fuel choice for home heating.

[@chrisministerofsmartarsery3322]

Look, as an adult, if you actually still believe giving the government money will change the atmosphere of the earth, I don’t know what to say. Punishing Canadians financially isn’t achieving environmental goals.

[@djpacker]

Exactly. I suggest everyone listen to Michael Shellenberger's most recent talk at the ARC Conference for a more rational and sensible view on this.

[@ruis2345]

can't be more true!

[@hashanmfernando]

You are actually right on this, people have completely forgotten why a government exist and it's purpose. When a government bring a new tax for a problem, that means they are making avenues to make more money. Government purposely create these new catastrophizes and make people think they needs to give more money to government to solve the problem. This should be stopped immediately.

[@kanuduh5234]

I'm still yet to hear how taxing a small population in one of the coldest countries who makes up less than 2% of global emissions is going to change anything on the global scale.

[@hashanmfernando]

@@kanuduh5234 it's just another narrative by governments across the world to collect more Money from people to. More money with the government just leads to more corruption.

[@Matte724]

Lauren explained perfectly how the rebate program specifically punishes people living in rural areas.

[@gillesbrassard7826]

The government is screwed. my son that live at home pays nothing but he is 22 get carbon tax rebate and gst rebates. I get nothing of that. I don't get it.

[@jimmehp2748]

She also forgot all about BC, which doesn't get any rebate . We don't all live in Ontario!

[@garyhaggquist740]

@@jimmehp2748 BC has a Provincial carbon price that was introduced by BC's right wing party in 2008. It has nothing to do with the federal carbon price. Evidence shows that without the carbon tax BC's emissions would be much higher, and have only grown because BCs population and economy has grown. Five different published studies have found BC's carbon tax, introduced in 2008, has cut overall emissions, reduced per capita gasoline use by 7%, improved average vehicle efficiency by 4%, cut residential natural gas use by 7% and diesel use by more than 3%. Meanwhile, in the 15 years since B.C. brought in its carbon tax, it's outpaced the rest of Canada both on emission reduction and GDP growth.

[@joeisawesome540]

@@jimmehp2748 ofc BC get rebate

[@joeisawesome540]

Rural people chose to live there. Living in a rural area should not exempt you from dumping into the river.. the same way shouldn't exempt you from polluting extra CO2

[@discgolfer1000]

Has anyone actually changed their behaviour since the carbon tax? No one I know has! The only thing that has change is how much we pay for fuel, home heating and groceries. There’s better ways to help save the environment that don’t require a tax

[@Sam19509]

I take Public Transit and walk more than drive. I am saving a lot of money on gas in addition to my carbon tax rebate in Toronto. 😂

[@krisclimber7394]

The problem with that line of thinking is that the eco extremists will simply say that the tax isn't high enough.

[@mcooper51]

All of us Tesla owners....for example. We don't pay the tax. Hello?

[@worstknightmayor4439]

I burn old tires in my wood stove. It's free heat and saves me over $2000 every winter on propane. I started doing this to offset the carbon tax.

[@autisticfieldmarshall1006]

@@Sam19509 not everyone likes to spend time in a metal box that smells like bathroom among violent homeless people which public transit in toronto essentially is.

[@Shanei5]

Basically you pay money to save the earth. ?? Massive immigration also causes an increase in Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions. More consumers leads to more consumption leads to more requirements for production, energy use, heating etc etc. so why don’t you put a cap on immigration if you’re concerned about carbon emission??

[@disun5882]

The true fact is the carbon tax rebate will not be able to cover the cost even if you live in a condo and not own a car. The carbon tax will drive up the inflation. Food, cloth and most other things will cost much more as they all rely on fuel for transportation. The carbon cost for these item will not be listed individually on your bill, but an overall increase to your spending.

[@markanderson100]

The contribution of the carbon "tax" to inflation is very tiny. It's nothing more than a scapegoat for political purposes.

[@VerbalMurderGaming]

​@markanderson100 so you haven't been noticing everything getting more expensive? What else is there? Things were NOT this bad before Trudeau. The only thing economically aside from the pandemic that has changed, is the carbon tax. So tell me, Mr "I'm so smart" What is causing it then?

[@kanuduh5234]

@@markanderson100 You need a basics class in economics 101. I'm embarrassed for you, genuinely. The tax itself is a scapegoat for gov't spending. Canada makes up less than 2% of global emissions and could go carbon neutral TOMORROW and it would change nothing about climate change or global emissions.

[@rogergiddy2634]

@@Al-lv7vg Don't expect liberal/NDP Simpleton to understand

[@perllyngrenn2100]

@@VerbalMurderGaming Please do a quick and simple search for the driving forces behind inflation. There are many factors and yes, this a global issue and not one caused by Canada's carbon tax.

[@user-wz4op4zv7o]

people are catching on to the grift and the grifters want to prolong said grift pretty simple really

[@gordonderouyan9980]

Where does the heating oil come from? A little birdy told me that it is IMPORTED! If so, can we make our own heating oil in Canada and provide it cheaper to the Atlantic provinces?

[@ryantulloch3556]

Heating oil is diesel.

[@wildmonkeybum]

Axe the tax !

[@Acepert]

I’d like to know the cost of all the extra bureaucracy required to administer the tax and rebate.

[@TheJimmyidol]

I heard 400 million.

[@krivdacreekhomestead7329]

Rebates do nothing. It makes it look like they do something. If I give you a $300 rebate but at pumps and grocery and utilities you pay 10x more it doesn’t balance out. It’s just laundering money they printed.

[@Meeksballs]

More fuel was purchased in Canada in 2023 than any other year and more fuel will be used next year than any other year before that! So carbon fuel taxes definitely not a deterrent.

[@epictetus3406]

It was never meant to be. Its another tax with a buzzword attached so the plebs will accept it and it worked.

[@roberttucker4196]

Well when you bring in all these immigrants what the hell can we expect. The demand for everything goes up but then like the economy I am sure it will balance itself.

[@joeisawesome540]

But fuel per person went down? Thats the point ? Canada population is growing and it must grow to make our economy strong.

[@suslamunte]

Is the carbon tax used to create clean energy? What happens with all that money?

[@envirocat]

Rebate directly to the people or depending upon setup by the province involved 🤷

[@ownrhythm6536]

The carbon tax does not reduce emissions greatly because it disproportionately hits low income earners, when it is the high consumption of the wealthy that drives more emissions. Even if it does reduce Canadian emissions, remember that most of our retail locations sell stuff made in China, the largest emitter in the world. Are we really lowering our emissions when we just outsource manufacturing for the goods we consume to countries and let them create the emissions?

[@joycegielfeldt806]

You hit the nail on the 😊

[@andrewm8703]

This comment goes against literally every study into carbon pricing. The low income earners actually benefit the most as they tend to emit the least while receiving the same rebate. The high emitters pay more but receive the same rebate as the low income earners. The carbon tax essentially gives money to the lower income earners from the wealthier, heavy emitters.

[@ownrhythm6536]

@@andrewm8703 Ultra low income people don't file tax returns and get nothing back. It's not about the rebates anyhow, they are small potatoes compared to increase in food, heating, and production costs that feed inflation and hurt the working poor the most. I run in upper middle class circles and this tax doesn't deter them from high consumption and jet setting around the world.

[@andrewm8703]

@@ownrhythm6536 the National Post did a study on the effects of the carbon tax on food inflation. It found 40 cents of every 100 increase is attributed to the carbon tax. For the ultra wealthy, this is a tax on them that is being redistributed to the middle and lower class. How is that a bad thing? If they are not changing their ways, at least I get some of their money in my pocket

[@Milkman734]

No one has taken to account on how much more Canadians pay for groceries compared to before the carbon tax was implemented?

[@charles597]

Yes, they are only looking at direct carbon taxes and not the indirect costs through the whole supply chain. Every tax on producers ends up being paid by consumers.

[@rbesfe]

Yeah just ignore that whole global inflation thing that happened

[@hannachumakova1086]

@@rbesfeNo, no, don't ignore global inflation, just add more carbon tax inflation on top!

[@andrewm8703]

The National Post did an inquiry into this. They found that 0.4% of the grocery price increases are attributed to the carbon tax. This is from the paper that is the most antagonistic to the carbon tax.

[@aytraf]

Show the figures. How much more do they pay due to the carbon tax itself? How does it compare to global supply chain crashes, wars in Europe, Middle East and Africa? How much is associated with the 'look-home' policy of our neighbours down south? How much is down to simple profiteering by the oligopoly of our grocery chain owners?

[@davidsimpson7373]

The public budgetary office said their analysis did not include indirect or secondary carbon taxes. Indirect carbon taxes apply to everything that has required equipment to build or make (farm equipment powered by diesel, propane used to dry crops), everything transported by truck, rail or airplane in Canada (that would be all products you buy). The cost of indirect carbon tax is passed on to everyone in Canada. And this is not covered by the rebate for anyone!

[@hexxlaxx2992]

Plus administration fees.

[@rotor676]

Did you know. Farmers in Saskatchewan use a dyed Diesel fuel and pay much less than anyone else.

[@davidsimpson7373]

@@rotor676 yes, I believe this benefit is given to farmers Canada wide. Farmers also get special treatment on income tax, as do politicians. Not sure what your point is - farmers get a break on fuel tax that everyone else pays, so? I like the idea of my food costing less because it is taxed less. Do you think food should cost more because the federal government should tax it more?

[@robertcartwright4374]

So it's not revenue neutral, although the government says it is?

[@rotor676]

@@davidsimpson7373 wheres all the outrage agains the farmers that from those guys getting a break. they also dont pay any PST on anything.

[@FirstName-rt9uf]

This story is so disingenuous... these 'Journalists' STILL never bring up the main issue - the higher cost of everything because the carbon tax is applied at every level of the supply chain. Everything everywhere costs more, it's not a simple calculation of what you directly pay for gas and home heating vs what you 'get back' from the government. All life is now more expensive.

[@Rick-zw9kp]

They rely on people not understanding this

[@user-wz4op4zv7o]

they are shills using an assortment of marketing buzz words not journalists

[@justaguy6973]

She does bring that up at 7:50

[@huggybear3098]

The liberals don't understand economics

[@roberttucker4196]

I guess they must be as numerically challenged as our Crime Minister and the rest of his merry band of thieves.

[@m.mgenna2017]

Love how she omitted the part where Tiff said there would be a 60 basis point drop in inflation if the Carbon Tax were eliminated.

[@markanderson100]

It's just a political scapegoat. Look at all the ignorant comments here thinking that the carbon "tax" is behind the source of all their cost of living problems..

[@kanuduh5234]

@@markanderson100 It's certainly exacerbating the problem, along with other liberal policy and borrowing/spending/debt. Saying it's a global problem is your scapegoat for glossing past how much these policies are exacerbating EVERYTHING!

[@andrewm8703]

Tiff in September 2023: 'That number: 0.15 percentage points of the inflation increase can be attributed to the carbon tax.'

[@PanManLou]

Carbon tax rebates never asked me what I use. I’ve been in a city, where just about everyone uses gas..but we don’t, just hydro for a heat pump for the last ten years, yet I’m spending on average of $322/month on hydro….now, I need to think to spend more for an electric car infrastructure? + they never asked me how much I drive around either, so, my particular footprint is extremely low, yet I pay a lot…even with rebates…..so, yes, I’m confused. We changed windows, doors etc….

[@PanManLou]

I just see Hydro costs go up as they build infrastructure and replace fuel taxes… it’s not a win, win, win, just a pay, pay, pay situation

[@ajituewunashama8212]

Not everyone gets a carbon tax rebate.

[@kanuduh5234]

Even if you do get it, it doesn't even come close to offsetting the inflation the tax creates on every consumer good and service.

[@nathanhardy7698]

I think many things can be true at once, Canadian's absolutely want to help slow down climate change and keep our environment pristine and as beautiful as it is. But paying random sums of money in form of a tax, which i have NO idea where the money is actually going, and at the same time not giving incentives or rebaits to change to cleaner renewable sources or EV's... Then really we have to question what is the point, other than to makes my life harder.

[@createone100]

You nailed my thinking on this entire issue. Thank you.

[@rogergiddy2634]

Making life harder is exactly what their doing, Marxism 101

[@john15008]

Look up Climate Action Incentive if you're that much in the dark about where carbon tax revenues go. Furthermore, rebates and incentives for vehicles cost money. The Harper Conservative government tried a program like that in 2007 but it was cancelled after one year because it was too expensive.

[@RK-vf4mo]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE!!!! FML!

[@RK-vf4mo]

CARBON IS NEGATIVE IN CANADA!!!! LETS STOP TURBINES AND SOLAR PANELS, LITHIUM BATTERIES, RARE EARTH MINING!!! JUST STOP!!!

[@paullavallee1631]

Conservative landslide, get out and vote !!

[@markanderson100]

Lol what solutions are the Conservatives offering that anyone should vote for them? All they seem to be doing is ignorant rhetoric capitalizing on people's frustrations.

[@kanuduh5234]

@@markanderson100 The conservatives are offering alternate technology and energy sources; things that will actually lower emissions. But they also understand Canada makes up less than 2% of global emissions, meaning there's NOTHING Canada can do to change emissions on a global scale.

[@hmmm4more]

Just remember Harper started the carbon tax. Liberals implemented it. Doubt little pierre will do anything different. ..but go ahead. People forget Authoritarian was used to describe Harper. ...Just remember you comments stay or will you delete them in time?

[@erickdelacruz3982]

I like this tv personality very not biased and just stating all the facts

[@alien9744]

Sin taxes are nothing more than a transfer of wealth to the rich! At some point it'll suffocate growth and productivity.

[@joeisawesome540]

The “rich” pay far more carbon tax than the poorer people. In fact, they pay around 50% of the carbon tax and the money collected is given back to the poorer people

[@DigSamurai]

In principle the carbon tax is a good idea. But if farmers have no other way of processing their grain then using fossil fuels then it's impractical to charge them. Like other liberal policies, the consequences were not thought out.

[@epictetus3406]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@joeisawesome540]

Farmers can easily offset the cost by slightly charge more, which they are. Bank of Canada and a recent Calgary study shows that carbon tax added about 0.3% to the cost of food. That’s 3 dollars every 1000 bucks spent. That mean on average most people will spend 30 bucks a year more.

[@DigSamurai]

@@joeisawesome540 maybe but farmers costs are much higher it's just their so much further down there food chain. They can't just charge a little bit more if they want to cover their costs

[@joeisawesome540]

@@DigSamurai buddy, we have 40 million people, and a lot of food is also exported to America. When we talk about multimillion-dollar farms with millions of consumers, they will easily cover their costs by selling the product a tiny bit more because there are so many downstream consumers. Remember the mushroom farm that said that their carbon tax cost is around 150k? well, they grow 10.5 million lb of mushrooms per year.. So an increase of 1.5 cents per lb would have covered their entire carbon tax payment. would you blink your eye if your mushroom went up by 1.5 cents a lb? People overestimate how much carbon tax adds to the cost. Lying politicians like PP like to throw around big numbers but they never tell you how much that will actually cost the farmers per lb of goods they sell. if you actually do the math, you will realize it is very tiny.

[@shellyhatton8105]

Soon, we wont be using so many emissions will all be living in tents ..😢

[@tcipp1292]

my carbon tax costs as much as the natural gas I use to heat my house, and I have high efficiency everything. Like I have an option on whether I heat my house or not. The rebate is a joke and the govt misrepresents what that rebate is for the average person. In no way does the rebate offset the carbon tax

[@JA-lw3yi]

So are there ANY studies showing that there has been ANY reduction in consumption of these "carbon sources"?

[@tracieshort6734]

You didn't acknowledge the fun facts about who has major interests in the preferred heat pump company. Mark Carney is not the only shareholder. This is not a conspiracy theory but fact. Somewhat like many of the other federal contracts being exposed. Millions being fed to insiders. It's not about the environment folks, it's about money.

[@justinhumphries1170]

We need to stop building these massive rural houses especially Edmonton that waste on labor and recourses should be a crime, build more apartments.

[@chrisgeorge4017]

She missed a LOT and made incorrect statements. The BoC stated it was not .15% of inflation but .60%. Also the PBO stated that the majority of Canadians spend more than they get back on the carbon tax, if they get a refund at all. She needs to do a lot better on her research

[@john15008]

You need to do a deeper dive into the subject. According to the PBO, as the price on carbon emissions increases in the next few years, the cohort that receives a net benefit will indeed shrink. However, there will ALWAYS be that cohort. If people want to be a net beneficiary, make better choices. Does everyone need a gas guzzler to go grocery shopping or take the kid to soccer practice? That's the whole point of carbon pricing. Furthermore, everyone who fills out a tax return in the one of the provinces with the federal backstop gets a rebate. Everyone.

[@georgek3398]

I hate this tax on tax

[@iansuntjenssli9739]

Did anyone check the air

[@One_Guy]

Canadians across all of Canada want change and relief from taxes and the significant cost of living increases caused by the Liberal Federal Government and the NDP and BLOC supporting them! This Coalition of Liberal, NDP and BLOC have cost canadians so much and will take a long time to recover from!

[@markanderson100]

I guess it's convenient to blame the current government in power instead of actually understanding why costs are going up. The cost increase are happening across the world and aren't unique to Canada. Some municipal/provincial policies have certainly worsened the situation (in housing, especially), but you're directing your anger at the wrong target.

[@kanuduh5234]

@@markanderson100 And yet the BOC and multiple different experts have came out and said all these liberal policies are exacerbating inflation. You willfully ignorant or what?

[@markanderson100]

@@kanuduh5234 Lol I can appreciate you feel the need to blatantly lie, but the Bank of Canada does not make partisan comments. I couldn't care less about the liberals, fyi. I do care about the facts, though, instead of just repeating conservative nonsense like you are.

[@huggybear3098]

​@@markanderson100sorry gas is still 25¢ a gallon in the middle East, Venezuela, Dubai UAE etc ... Mexico isn't paying $7 for celery, $9 for bacon, $7 for butter, $6 for a dozen eggs... your clueless

[@markanderson100]

​@@huggybear3098Food inflation is a global phenomenon and is expected to get worse. I get that you're ignorant on what's going on outside Canada, but that's on you. The Bank of Canada itself estimate the contribution of the carbon "tax" to be tiny (will below 1%). Go learn a thing or two before having a conversation beyond your league.

[@DAILG_2024]

The government needs to do more to offset the costs to switch to cleaner sources across the country. Most people do not have extra money kicking around to make these kinds of changes quickly. Homeowners change their furnace every 20 years and usually only when it breaks down. I suggest making a green loan more accessible to people and larger grants for this specific area. Home heating is probably the biggest single improvement that could be made by individuals to reduce their environmental footprint. I was one of the lucky ones to be able to take advantage of it and cut my green house gases to about 1/3 of what they were last year. We need this to be available to everyone. Get rid of the source of the problem which is older heating methods.

[@Bipbapbop_]

What about a farmer? Diesel tractor for feeding cows, combined for producing your food? What about a trucking company who delivers your food to the grocery store, you pay carbon tax on your food. It is completely insane to insist this tax is for the environment. It is simply another revenue stream for this crazy “the budget will balance itself” government.

[@garyhaggquist740]

The entire quote that Conservatives cherrypick is - "the commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy, and the budget will balance itself. Harper & Reagan said very similar things. Why can't Conservatives ever be honest? Climate change is affecting farmers & truckers! When will Conservatives ever acknowledge this fact?

[@markanderson100]

The carbon "tax" is revenue neutral - all money collected is returned to Canadians in the form of rebates - precisely because ignorant people would otherwise demonize it as a cash-grab. Case in point.

[@kanuduh5234]

@@markanderson100 The carbon tax is NOT revenue neutral! How daft do you have to be to believe that. The tax literally gets passed on to consumers through good and services, further exacerbating inflation. You seriously need to stop regurgitating CBC and liberal/ndp talking points and learn how economics work.

[@hexxlaxx2992]

​@@markanderson100the carbon tax multiplies itself until it hits the consumers plus the administration fees.

[@perllyngrenn2100]

@@kanuduh5234 Is it better that someone regurgitates rhetoric they get from Poilievre's KZbin channel? That seems to be your source of information.

[@dava00007]

The answer is we all pay all the time, because if the person selling you the thing pays it you pay it, if the person selling them the thing pays it, well you and the person who sold the thing to you pay it again, them if those who make the thing pay it well everyone on top of them pay this tax again. This is much worse than just adding a few cent/L on when you refuel your car or buy some heating fuel.

[@joycegielfeldt806]

You are so right!!!!! It's the same as the sales tax. The manufacturer pays tax on the material to make it, the wholesaler pays it again, the retailer pays it on top of that, the consumer then pays on purchases but when that item is sold second, third, fourth, etc. times you are paying the tax each time again. The best example is a car. Not many of us can afford a new one. Your vehicle has had 3 previous owners which means the tax has already been paid 4 times in GST-PST and or HST. In some province they tax house sales. We're a society that's getting scr####ed by the government everywhere we turn.

[@terrylazurko2476]

No person in Canada should be paying taxes on food and the carbon taxes affect the pricing of food for everyone.

[@tmic4790]

Why didn’t Jagmeet stand up for Canadians and push to drop the Carbon tax. Because he is ok that people gave a high cost of living and are not happy living in Canada. He is ok with Super taxing us all. We previously already paid to much.

[@robandcheryls]

With a cold weather. Everyone needs a cut in heating, but if you drive a Gas Guzzler……not so sympathetic.

[@kidmohair8151]

quick answer? to distract us from the need to actually *do* something

[@tailiu223]

32.62% voted for the Liberal Party. 67.38% voted for a party other than the Liberal Party. 33.74% voted for the Conservative Party. And yet, Trudeau has the power of a majority government by forming a coalition with the NDP or the Bloc.

[@john15008]

In the last election, only the PPC didn't endorse carbon pricing. It was part of the Conservative's climate plan under O'Toole because he knew he didn't have a prayer to reach targets without it.

[@georgek3398]

I m NOT voting liberal on one issue: carbon unfair tax

[@sammurthy3444]

Absolute money grab. I get back only 350 a year. But I pay 2 thousand increase in just my Utility bill. Gas and other bills is a plus. So, Its not fair- giving back is a total lie. If they want to discourage using fossil fuel, what is other available source to heat my home in Alberta?

[@PabloAskabar]

Jugmeet see's the Liberal's going down so he is jumping ship !

[@truthseeker-xb5sv]

Is this video trying to convince people or confuse people?

[@palmdodo]

Typical CBC brainwashing…try to sell you damaged potato as golden ball.

[@drdj1105]

FINALLY I CAN SEE CBC REPORT SOMETHING RIGHT. THANKS FOR STAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY

[@bradkawaii1755]

lol still need to defund CBS- they told what we already know

[@dicekar]

Carbon tax would not be so bad if there was a choice not to use it. Were in a carbon economy you must also have alternatives not just tax thinking somehow the emissions will come down which is what i assume the tax is for.

[@freekdeniro8623]

u forgot to mention Que doesn't pay but still voted which is pure BS!

[@kaplarr2853]

carbon tax is criminal

[@Mobster9114]

How am I supposed to do something different?? My work won’t move closer to my house and winters don’t get warmer…

[@dogoftheg]

Carbon dioxide isn’t pollution. It’s plant food.

[@zackoostrom9636]

Carbon Tax failed in Australia over 10 years ago. Not surprised the carbon tax failed in Canada. I honestly believe that due to the poor quality of STEM education in Canada, Canadian at too dumb for democracy.

[@john15008]

It did not "fail" in Australia. Their new governing party abolished it despite emission reductions. Emissions rose again after it was repealed. Look it up.

[@zackoostrom9636]

@@john15008 why was it abolished? Look it up

[@john15008]

@@zackoostrom9636 It was abolished as part of Abbot’s conservative (what Australians call “Liberal”) platform, not because it wasn’t working. Do you have a different interpretation?

[@zackoostrom9636]

@@john15008 what was “working” about carbon tax? Carbon tax does not address the externalities of pollution, and the economic injustices are not regulated with accountability. When governments are in contempt of its citizens, shame is used to discourage the outliers. Democracy, voted out carbon tax. That was a win for democracy, and a lose for a fascist carbon fart tax.

[@camclarkcountry]

Wow this is the first non bias and accurate thing ive seen come from the CBC in a while. Good reporting!

[@outdoorking69]

There is not rebate for tax paid by businesses. This is why things are going nuts as the cost is being passed to consumers.

[@brianjonker510]

The 17 cent tax is just too damn high. Set it at 3 or 4 cents and increase it 1 cent a year thereafter.

[@jf7882]

We do not get more than we pay in tax, that isn’t factual. No one calculated the indirect or secondary carbon tax increases throughout the supply chain. It’s all passed down to the final product that we the consumer pay for. Additionally there costs of collecting the carbon tax and processing the rebates. Nothing is free!

[@jimmehp2748]

Everyone gets the same $488 rebate? In BC, I don't get any rebate whatsoever? What rebate????

[@achristian7015]

And what are they doing with that tax? Next they will tax the air we breath.

[@jerbear1601]

Doug Ford is asking people to play fair? Really?

[@DaWaeIsReal]

When you add carbon tax on farmers, then truckers, then store heating, it has a LARGE affect on the final cost of goods, especially food. The tax is compounded many times by time your good hit the store.

[@DefianceOrDeath]

How many millions of tax dollars go to the CBC, and they have a cheap green screen that looks worse than the average KZbinrs? This place needs to be abolished.

[@scottythegreat1]

I argue to privatize it.

[@DefianceOrDeath]

@@scottythegreat1 It would go bankrupt immediately. That's the issue. Taxpayers are propping it up. Remove the taxpayer funding and it essentially is privatized-- but bankrupt.

[@jeffs68camaro]

If you live in Calgary at -40 in the dead of winter and don't turn on your heat, you make more money with the rebate

[@santaclosed5062]

Everything related to sustainability including carbon tax is first of all a question about the way we live. Most of our provinces are in very energy consuming urban, suburban and rural structures. Those structures were supposed to be restructured to be more livable, affordable and sustainable with lower energy consumption. But, instead of it, we fell into real estate speculation bubbling designed by many extreme neoliberal provincial governments. Hence, urban living style with walkability in optimal density which is still considered as the most efficient and effective solution for our sustainable future, it becomes now too expensive and quasi impossible to afford for the ordinary Canadians. Everything started falling down from there.

[@denishaggard4351]

No one talks about the oil companies being able to transfer carbon tax fees between themselves. The carbon tax has a scale that increases $/tonne to a ceiling then actually starts to decrease. What is happening in Alberta, for example: the top polluters actually buy carbon from the smaller companies so their price per tonne goes down. This transferable tax has allowed large oil companies to have greater controls over their smaller competition. Have we heard a single argument against the carbon tax from the major oil companies in Canada?

[@spyderativ2438]

The only way to avoid paying carbon tax on food is food bank

[@sc00bs63]

why tax home heating in Canada? this is a life necessity.

[@sarah345]

I RENT! I CANNOT CHOOSE MY HEAT SOURCE!!!! If you want to “incentivize” switching away from oil and gas, charge my LANDLORD! Ffs I’m so tired of no one pointing out how unfair this is.

[@mistertubby]

Everyone here is worried about how the carbon tax will be the end but i'm over here looking at the profits of food producers...

[@gordorr9259]

My electricity bill doubled in the last two months, my rent increased another $2400 a year and food has almost doubled in the last few months, that's not just me but millions of others who have lost their ability to budget and live comfortably, all of the extra money people use for eating out, entertainment and buying power has been significantly reduced, people are angry and the government knows it....but do they care, probably not. We'll have to wait and see what the Liberals will do to ease the pain, another handout maybe?

[@suslamunte]

Producing electricity produces the most CO2, beating all vehicles on the road by alot! So, what is the use of installing heat pumps when producting electricity polutes more!

[@bernl178]

OK CBC now why don’t you go do a report on electric heat pumps. And the problems associated with it. That’s where the Canadian public really needs good education because it’s not as rosy as the sales pitch is. A lot of people are gonna get screwed on heat pumps because you’re not bringing them up to speed.

[@catwilk8213]

Where is the money going? Are they planting more trees?Are they putting a big air filter in where is this money going!?

[@warwolf54]

You are wrong you PAY more in carbon tax than you get back Last year I got only 134 dollars back in Alberta. This tax drives up all food, and anything that goes on a truck you buy!

[@useyourmind5]

the fact that we've been raising this tax for 5 years and no one has tabulated or even mentioned (on the Liberal side) it's impact on cost of EVERYTHING requiring a fossil fuel (plastic, rubber, paint, automotive products, cleaning products, food, building materials, any type of service, anything stored in a warm building or transported anywhere, electricity and everything else..) is jusy so, so purely Canadian of us

[@bernl178]

I love this guy that says you have options and you could use a different fuel to heat your home and safe. No I do not have options. I am rural and I’m either propane electric or wood

[@christinehumphreys6717]

Funny no mention of you having to pay GST on the carbon tax.

[@bernl178]

There’s a third tier that you forgot, Pierre you go farmers, then truckers, then the distributors need to heat their warehouses all the employees to have to drive to those distributors want more and wages to cover their displacement costs. Yes, it does create inflation and a lot more than people may think.

[@valentinebarrypilozo9982]

Now I’m informed Thank you

[@bartholomewrichards1663]

Justin trudeau has the reverse midas touch.

[@wispvermillion5058]

4:07 "More then 2000 dollars over THREE years". Why not just compare to one year? Little awkward...

[@scottromanyshyn450]

Scrap the tax. How many years and I see no investment projects in my area. It's just another sales tax.

[@madguitarist]

I had to laugh at Scott Moe announcing that SaskEnergy would stop collecting the carbon tax on Jan 1st...because they are simultaneously raising natural gas rates at the same time. More posturing without actually helping.

[@TheMocard]

Axed the tax on the worst possible fuel going.. fuel oil.. makes a lot of sense Turdeau..

[@daniellamarche689]

This tax is poison.

[@darrinsteven7002]

1.4 BILLION OF TAXPAYERS Money barely pays the bonuses for the CBC.

[@Karlswebb]

Every study analyzing canada’s emissions found the carbon tax has reduced emissions by 5-15%.

[@wyw201]

Where can I find these studies? 5-15% is a huge margin of error? What’s the mean and standard deviation?

[@steve123261]

who is collecting

[@franklintheman8310]

carbon tax has never had anything to do with the environment. we NEED to drive, we NEED to heat. beyond this we have not hit any goals that were set, which means it does not work! We should have gone to an incentive program. you will take you coat off much faster with sunshine then if you try to blow it off with high winds!!.

[@catwilk8213]

So if you live in a rural country instead of uding oil to heat your home because it's too expensive.You're gonna start cutting down trees from your bush Which kind of defeats the purpose Of keeping trees around to filter the air.

[@magma7155]

We need easily affordable alternatives before a carbon tax can work. The majority of Canadians right now will be negatively affected. I think carbon emissions need to be drastically cut soon but I don't think raising the carbon tax right now is a good idea. Work faster on making electric cars, electric heating, and clean energy cheaper and focus your energy on that FIRST. We can't be pushing thousands of Canadians into poverty

[@murrethmedia]

I'm not one of these people who screeches every time they hear about a new tax, but if I have to pay tax I want it going towards something. IF there was going to be a Carbon Tax with the goal of reducing greenhouse gases the revenue from the tax should have been directed towards that goal. I live in Nova Scotia but thankfully we have electric heating, but if we did have oil as our heating it would be so much more beneficial if the government took the Carbon Tax revenue and put it towards converting homes that use heavy carbon products like home heating oil into carbon neutral options it would actually reduce emissions, and eventually the need for the tax in the first place. All this tax does is punish people who need to live. The government says it gives a financial incentive, that's false. It punishes people who are too poor to be able to choose.

[@lynx6006]

Imagine the carbon tax like an iceburg. You only see the 10% of the iceburg that is above the water. This would be the extra price you pay for gas and home heating. This 10% is partially offset by the rebate. The other 90% of how the carbon hurts you and your family is like the 90% of the iceburg that is below the water, that you don't see. It is an added inflationary cost on literally every product you buy and every service you use. This 90% is obviously not covered by the rebate. On top of that, the carbon tax inflation has caused the Bank of Canada to increase interest rates, so when you renew your mortgage, and your mortgage rate doubles, this would cost the average homeowner hundreds of thousands of dollars extra. The rebate does not cover this either.

[@hhawkyns]

Even a kindergarten kid can recognize what’s fair and what is not. Carbon tax inequities are coming home to roost. Cost incentives only work if the alternative is affordable. As it is now, the alternatives are unaffordable or not available. All this carbon mess is doing is making Canadian citizens poorer and angrier.

[@markanderson100]

I do agree that there need to be stronger positive incentives to allow people to switch. Making alternatives more affordable is a no-brainer. There are some grants, but it's not nearly enough.

[@3dtwerking324]

The biggest problem is carbon tax is punishing people that have no ability to change how power is generated or how fuel is manufactured while the feds are collecting likely billings in penalty fees. Provincial should be collecting that money and directly use that money to solve the carbon cause but that solution is a secondary cost to the very people that have no ability to choose. Not only do we get to pay the tax we also must pay the infrastructure upgrade costs! While what happens to the piles of money Trudeau is collecting? Is it fairly distributed or chewed up in government and friends of government.