Why Genshin's Exploration Failed Where Wuthering's Suceeded

[@reijikogarashi1867]

To me, it's not just because Genshin has a very slow exploration. Zelda BOTW's exploration is also very slow. But the difference between Genshin and Zelda is that Zelda's slow exploration is coherent with its overall gameplay. In Zelda, Link moves slowly and even in combat he does it while carefully analyzing his opponents until he spots an opportunity to strike. Because of the overall slow-pace gameplay, the slow exploration doesn't feel out of place. But even if you get bored of the slow exploration, you had horses and Revali's gale at your disposal (and don't even get me started with the Zonai stuff in TOTK) In Genshin, however, you play as characters who can zip around like Goku in combat and kill everything in 1 second. It is a fast-paced combat, but then when you jump or start climbing wall, suddenly, you feel like your character just ate 10 years worth of McDonalds. The contrast is so big it doesn't feel good to play.

[@CzDelta92]

link canonically kills literal gods and he is the chosen hero my man what are you talking about, the entire game is link killing myth creatures left and right that even for most of the genshin cast would be impossible, link deals with archon level threats all the time, he is soloing the biggest threat in the world by himself every time he reincarnates.

[@reijikogarashi1867]

@@CzDelta92 The question is why are you talking about Link killing gods? That's not the topic here. I'm talking about Link's methodical "taking your time" ways of fighting and his gameplay. Whether the things he fights are gods or demons or whatever is irrelevant.

[@iversonsilva793]

Botw also had horses, and in general you just explored to explore, you didnt need to 100% an entire area to get like... 5 pulls worth of chance to lose to qiqi

[@seija8588]

@@reijikogarashi1867 reading comprehension in the minus lmao

[@k6stars795]

wtf zelda this is a gacha game xd

[@g.lretro2903]

One side every character same movement can run without stamina and parkour ,another side is premium 'pay' movement.

[@AriBowo-qi5qg]

That's why I quit it long time ago

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

i remember i got a bit of interest back in GI when i got Yelan. And this made me think "why the fuck do i need a character to just move faster". It's so annoying

[@BrianCarreraShaw]

It's called Role Playing for a reason lmao. Imagine a big ass muscle guy walking around walls like a ninja. Wuthering Waves will get stale in terms of character design very very fast because of this. Why am I confident about that? Tower of Fantasy was EXACTLY like this.

[@shivansh-gup]

@@AriBowo-qi5qg as much as i enjoyed last year's veluriyam mirage. it pained me so much now to even start this years 4.8 quest. But I'm happy i broke the cycle because Genshin really doesn't deserve players.

[@scarletHerbst]

This. I always have to equip myself with a travesal team just to explore 🫤

[@Zeon_SpaceX]

Hoyo: QoL improvements locked behind regions and characters Kuro: We don't do it here.

[@FBl]

Hoyo: Makes a decent game that a lot of people love. Kuro: We don’t do that here.

[@piterrospl9512]

I've had my expectations lowered so far that when I used the shooty gadget in WuWa, I was just standing in place. Then I accidentally moved and realised that wait... you can move with it? You can sprint freely? YOU CAN JUMP? ACTIVATE AND SHOOT MID-AIR??? But yeah, so many things in Genshin's old systems are just poor. Sluggish stamina regen both in and out of combat, slow climbing, awkward gliding, region-locked mechanics, and so on. But there are a few more reasons I can see why they don't bother: - they simply don't have to. People play their games anyway, and people pay. - and well, convenience sells. Yelan, Kazuha and Wanderer are all limited characters, and I'm sure there were people who bought into Yelan C1 or either of the other two just to make exploration more pleasant. Now with Natlan, it will surely be the case again, Mualani already gives a lot of mobility. Create or maintain the problem, sell the solution. They could improve stamina regen (it would make both combat and exploration more pleasant), they could make fast climbing consume less stamina, they could make more convenient gadgets, but the characters who provide these benefits sell. And as good as Genshin is, I can't deny that Hoyo is damn greedy. Of course, spaghetti code might be an issue too when it comes to changing already existing features, but several events have proven that they can add very nice convenience, so instead of altering, they could even add a gadget.

[@vanthongnguyen4607]

yeah you right

[@ZECRA602]

What Genshin does to a mf

[@hxppythxughts7149]

Yeah no wonder genshin generally earn more than wuwa, since genshin makes you pay more to experience the fun as simple as exploring the world...

[@QuincyYhwach.]

True

[@david_ace]

@@hxppythxughts7149 that's cuz their dogsht banner is a total scam too + the fact that the exploration is less rewarding than in wuwa (10 primo max in a chest vs 30 or 50 asterites for wuwa)

[@hoffman_id]

Furina walks on water is the definition of VIP exploration

[@seungjoonkin8970]

Trouble is : Genshin cannot fix their exploration anymore. If you suddenly give unlimited stamina, faster sprint, faster climb, people that pulled Yelan, Kazuha would be livid. “I spent 300 dollars for faster VIP exploration. Now other peasents have same VIP as me? How dare you!” and lawsuit would be filed. Genshin’s exploration was doomed when the team chose to tie exploration features with limited character

[@BladeSerph]

Actually pretty simple: 1. Increase the max stamina further with each region completion(instead of stopping at monstadt/liyue) and also include smaller benefits like faster stamina regen. 2. Tune down the stamina/gliding gimmicks a smidge on character specific benefits and put more into general benefit. 3. Apologize to the players by giving another 10 pull out. Cause apparently thats the easiest solution they can pull to avoid a lawsuit over `nerfing` a character, after reverting the changes. 4. Wait it out to let the whiners stop and rinse and repeat. AKA basically the logic they been pulling for 4 years on the game 5. Actually rework additions to older maps where each region completion will allow gimmicks from those regions to be spread out to other regions, just like how plenty of `open world games`, especially Wuwa, will actually introduce switches to include additional traversal mechanics that also change the literal freaking landscape and get rid of hazards. AKA actually REWARD the players for getting thru extra `optional` content. 6. Actually give useful gadgets and not block them behind retarded 3~5 minute or something wait times. Like maybe the little wind updraft maker could have far more capacity on it and could be recharged simply going next to a statue of seven. They already got too many freaking `premium` characters with traversal anyway, so them being stingie is just them pushing the greedy. 7. Just to include to gadgets, make the things with `passive` type benefits like convert the tengu fan into one where equipping it in the gadget tool just makes them work all the time. 8. Clearly they dont give an F because it took apparently the CEO to intervene supposedly to `make some corrections`, because apparently they were just ignoring the game for 4 whole years and likely they dont care much since Star rails and zenless zero exists so they could probably just let genshin die and just funnel them to those games and likely have next to no profit lost at all and can `reboot` with fresh content and not need to keep genshin`s corpse afloat that probably has too much `expenses` they don`t wanna burn to keep said game afloat.

[@WhitbyWyrm90]

I dont get this comment to be honest. Why can't they? Yelan came out more than 2 years ago so everyone who bought her had his "VIP time" and its not like every player that bought her signed a contract that only they are allowed to have an easier exploration. Mihoyo could do that and there would be nothing you could do about it.

[@jcceno4273]

@@WhitbyWyrm90 newbies still come and go tho

[@anzheilen5217]

@@BladeSerph Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. Nerfing character that player have bought or pull warrant a lawsuit. Simple as that. You don't need to look that far just Look at neuvillete case. Chinese warning the hoyo that they'll report about how hoyo break the law and they revert the update instantly. Also, apologising by giving 10 pull because you nerf character that you've already sold? Dude I hope your head working fine. That's not equivalent exchange in anyway.

[@BladeSerph]

@@anzheilen5217 Thats what they did with Water dragon man and clearly you dont know what SATIRE is boyo. The point is the genshin group clearly does whatever the fk they want despite all the stagnation and it took the CEO to actually get involved, by supposedly ignoring what genshin was doing for years it seems and start crying crocodile tears that players were `being difficult with them. Ultimately, games get changed all the time in live service so biotching about them doing changes is already stupid, obviously its a problem when they `nerf` premium stuff, but it doesnt stop companies from doing indirect nerfs or just throw in competitive content and suddenly use the excuse for `competitive game balancing` to get away with whatever the fk they do. Seriously, look up any MOBA in general and you can see they constantly change stats of characters so much yet you dont see them getting into lawsuits over that crap, despite also being a `free to play game` like mobile games, because they have the excuses of `rebalancing` for competitive scenes when ultimately its to nerf certain over-used characters to force people to use other characters. Mihoyo basically just dik train rides its popularity and just like the pokemon company they can flip off the playerbase by doing stuff and doesnt really `need` to listen to the playerbase, just make the Chinese government happeh by likely doing one apology bit and then get back to doing the same crap again, just putting an apron on to cover up thar COCK`iness from showing so much. Hell, they will probably do the same crap again with snezneyha, over and over again because until they get kicked off that throne they had built up from a long-term monopoly, they are more likely to just throw a meat covered bone once in a while then 100% completely change the design direction... Which in the end, actually requires them to do what they did with honkai impact 3rd, and do massive changes to the overall game system, shop design and moar that they did on a yearly basis, getting rid of entire currencies, introducing new ones in a effot to `streamline it supposedly.` Oh and guess what Wuthering waves is planning todo possibly? Change the gacha architecture apparently they been going with to realy show that NOTHING in a `free to play game` is impossible to alter, as long as they make it LOOK like its a positive benefit, even when its actually bad, but considering Kuro-games is not caked up in `actual` controversy, im more likely to believe they would focus more on improving then what genshin has repeatedly done to annoy players.

[@jonomate]

Another reason why Genshin just doesn't make things fun is to reinforce the abusive relationship it has with their victims/players to maintain dominant control. If the abused get treated better, they may get the idea that they deserve better. And Genshin can't have that.

[@EricVinicius123]

Comparing a game to an abusive relationship is an insane take. You people need to touch grass

[@TopTOBiiiii]

​@@EricVinicius123 People tend to exaggerate to make things more understandable just like in memes, don't take it seriously

[@vandergrift5557]

​@@EricVinicius123 it's not a game anymore lol especially not for veterans

[@IraR.Sirius]

​@@EricVinicius123 Do you know what "figurative" is?

[@Jdewls]

@@EricVinicius123it’s an example Oml 🫡

[@thevip8837]

wuwa is peak, especially because of ChangLi. thanks for blessing my eyes with her enigma.

[@gamefanaddict6313]

and the upcoming support man, she's beautiful and majestic kuro games nailing their in game model exactly look the same as the 2D model.

[@VoidEnigma]

Fellow Changli enjoyer 🤝

[@kasmichan]

@@gamefanaddict6313 shorekeeper...ahh yes the silent lady..

[@Goujiki]

@@kasmichan i saw shorekeeper animations, she looks lame as fuck. but WuWa clowns are eating up Kuro's floaty attack animation garbage.

[@bagashafiizm6185]

Revenue says otherwise

[@Sturdycurve]

I cant imagine myself climbing mountain in a gacha game for minutessssssssssssssssssss, straight waste of time.

[@Dan-qt4zh]

Genshin could never. Wu❤wa

[@Telldastory222]

Dude you offended me, i have ever take almost half hour to climb in genshin 😭

[@Dan-qt4zh]

@@Telldastory222 😂😂😂

[@bfjrd]

thats the plan... it will reflect on the surveys about play time. Remember long dialogues with no skip button? its the same stuff.. Players will spend more time doing activities xD

[@joemahoma]

@@Telldastory222liyue?

[@TheOtherCless]

This is just one of many reasons I quit Genshin (Week 1 player with over 1300 days logged) shortly after Wuwa came out. And it's not even Wuwa's fault, I was thinking of quitting regardless. But Wuwa reinvigorated my love of this style of gameplay by being everything Genshin was failing at.

[@syafiqkp]

has natlan release makes you love genshin again?

[@sayidash1583]

@@syafiqkp nope

[@thebrush9506]

Same, I tried getting into Genshin at least 3 times and each time I left, happing open world games more and more. Then Wuwa came out and the more I played the more I felt amazed at how much I could move, reinvigorated my love of open world games

[@Vaurnalt]

@@syafiqkp i fear natlan isnt that amazing, not to say its bad

[@maheee]

Reading this comment section makes me feel like its a sin to enjoy both games.

[@yoonwehn]

Right? :(

[@maheee]

@@yoonwehn yeah :(

[@77wolfblade]

Just like console wars we got gotcha wars. stay out of those zones as best as you can. You will enjoy games better that way.

[@Mobius_118]

It pretty much is. Both fandoms are toxic enough to attack each other, regardless of whether or not they or their respective games did anything wrong.

[@SpecialCODMW3]

You can, just ignore the comments and play both games happily lmao

[@Locklocksock]

THIS. I'm literally never coming back to Genshin until they fix their exploration. I literally shed tears when I saw Wuwa's exploration. I'm not kidding when I say this, it was such a fresh breath of air. They definitely wont fix it ever as well, since they already released tons of characters that help you with the exploration. They monetized it, fixing it now could cause problems with the people who got those characters JUST for exploring the map. Massive, huge mistake. Ginarmous mistake, terrible, just terrible.

[@amberknight7301]

I'd like to bring up an example. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet have you travel around on Koraidon and Miraidon. You can glide, jump, run etc, but when the last DLC came out, you gained the ability to fly freely. Like completely indefinitely. You not only can do this in the Indigo Disk areas, but the entire map of Scarlet and Violet. So even this game full of glitches and inferior graphics did exploration better than Genshin.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Woe that's a huge slap to a multi billion dollar company who essentially copied every shitty aspect from botw lol

[@CzDelta92]

many wow players would disagree with you, what killed wow world was offering the option to use flying mounts on the game, the easier you make moving around it the more meaningless the world becomes and same happen in scarlet violet, you dont remember any of the locations in the game or memorable since you mostly skip with turbo fast mounts, devs tried to fix this limiting flying mounts in the overworld during new expansions but once you could fly the world was empty since everyone was flying and people didnt even care about the world anymore, hell theres a reason people fight to get back in classic and asked devs to never add flying there, you just fly and never touch the ground other than killing a few npcs here and there lmao many games do slow exploration like elden ring, you cant climb walls and you got a mount sure but is limited in a lot of spaces, literally slow exploration force you to experience the world, i cant even remember wuwas world by how fast we move and how everything looks the same, just a few areas are lore relevant too

[@zeroyuki92]

​@@CzDelta92 The same reason why in Zelda ToTK the solution of building two fan one stick hoverbike to explore everything is both a blessing and a curse. While generally making things easier and removing the limitation is a better idea, it's not always the better option for the overall enjoyment.

[@vjbd2757]

Genshin definitely improved traversal and mobility in Natlan BUT only in Natlan. Everywhere else they're still mostly using BOTW's traversal system hence the slow climbing and the slow running.

[@Kyugorn]

As a content inspector, I decree that from now on: BoTW should be the textbook example of how to do traversal the WRONG WAY!

[@PaulMiskimmon]

​@@Kyugornbotw was shit

[@Kyugorn]

@@PaulMiskimmon With that kind of movement and weapon durability limit? Probably yes.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

@@Kyugorn I the story was decent but totk story was better

[@Kyugorn]

@@PaulMiskimmon Aight. Understandable.

[@reyesmarkchristianreyes3243]

Imo, I agree i wanted to play genshin again after taking a break to try out natlan but I immediately remember that exploring is so slow and didnt bother and the fact that mobility is locked behind characters essentially forces me to pull for that character even though i don't want said character. No hate btw just my thoughts.

[@otakuagmvu4994]

Same, I tried to play genshin for the main story (sumeru) to catch up but when I did log in, I forgot how slow it is and straight close the game.

[@JithuChilukuri]

bro through the quest you get limited 5 star for trail to make your moment fast

[@jamesmuhuhu7987]

​@@JithuChilukuripeople are not getting the 5star to do the quest faster...( that's what the skip button is for, which it also lacks)... They are getting them to do overworld exploration faster and easier

[@Dan-qt4zh]

After 3 months without playing Genshin and not spending money no anymore. Today I tried to play the mainstory, I barely ran for an hour. It's just a waste of time and the way to run, jump, fight, and even play, absolutely everything. Thanks to Wuthering Waves, who brought us something that we really like and that makes players value.

[@loykunEX]

You can use the animals in the game and it has similar mobility as the characters as means of travel. Its not locked behind the characters.

[@myst7042]

"Inflating play time" is so spot on. I play wuwa on release and just started hsr 2 months ago. I was so surprised, a lot of stories and puzzles in hsr don't seems to have "fun" factor in mind when being developed. Instead, most are there just to waste time, or in your word "inflating play time".

[@Nothing_happen-o8c]

Tbh hsr puzzle is pretty fun but not the ass wall walk penacony shit, its pretty complicated and boring

[@NevaRthelesser]

Ngl Belobog, Xianzhou and Herta Space station was peak exploration cuz there were not many puzzles but the small things you could interact with and find for yourself was amazing. Like the coffee in herta space station that knocks you out. Or The Shining reference in Goethe Hotel. But then they decided to go with the artificial inflated playtime route in penacony and uh...kinda annoying to get through.

[@GlacioDreadmane]

that's how genshin will getting bigger revenue then wuwa, PAYWALLED exploration QoL

[@cherozkiahyusof4902]

Sad but true most people just dumbass brainwash by hoyo

[@joemahoma]

And make it a waifu chara everyone will buy it

[@CzDelta92]

they gave the exploration character for free literally in natlan upon login in lmao kachina can do what other 5*s cant and even act as a fast ore breaker, she can climb in any angle basically and other things, why are you guys coping about revenue already, what will be the excuse when they gave that character for free.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@CzDelta92 Kichina is only for walls, what about rivers and other terrain? Not to mention that kichina's speed is only good when compared to normal climbing speed which isn't a high bar to begin with

[@looweeiss]

Reaction to seeing high places Genshin: Ah fuck this again Wuwa: Now how can I run up this wall in the coolest or fastest manner

[@Goujiki]

And whats at the top of that high place in WuWa? Nothing, Boring empty landscape, uninspired design. Garbage.

[@thebrush9506]

@@Goujikisame with Genshin but it takes long to get to that disappointment but ok

[@Vaurnalt]

@@Goujiki then what makes an interesting landscape? If WuWa is under-stimulating to you i really can't help but assume you thrive off Fortnite and Cocomelon

[@D.Cypher474]

​@@Goujiki "genshin defenders" strike again with no logical argument. Too bad😂

[@phantomsnare5925]

​@@Goujiki We get garbage scenery but at least we don't have to painstakingly climb for minutes on end. Try putting up a better argument POS, Star rail is somewhat better than GI

[@jeromeredido172]

Been saying this since WuWas day 1. I am not re installing GI to crawl up walls. That alone is untouched.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

😂😂😂

[@timon5413]

nobody ever told u to ever crawl up that wall tho🤣🤣

[@jeromeredido172]

@@timon5413 but you guys still do😂😂😂

[@timon5413]

@@jeromeredido172 my money is really paying off really well tho 😂 sorry to break the delusion that's way I like to pull character bcz they also solve the over world problem not just mindless and aimlessly running for no reason 😂

[@jeromeredido172]

@@timon5413😂 WTF are you talking about? If you enjoy everything you have right now in the game congratulations to you. Get on with your life bruh😂😂😂😂 Tired seeing that over used "delusion" ass word.

[@lazybuddah9639]

I'll say this since one of the excuses ive heard against Wuwa's fast exploration is about "not getting to soak in the environment" or along those lines. Never should enjoying the area/environment of a open world EXPLORATION game be forced by having hassle and boring exploration tools, it should always be a choice for the player to slow down and enjoy the sight or explore with actual speed and fun movements.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Exactly!

[@jutsumaniac4569]

"not getting to soak in the environment" Then just walk lmao

[@Nilotinibisexpensive]

To everyone saying wuwa has bad or unnatural world physics, the world of wuthering waves planetary systems are different and oriented such a way that it has less gravity!!! And we have grapplers

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

It's also a world where certain characters can literally just fly.

[@Yeah-17]

for real..there are posibility that there is a 2 planet..a pretty close that's why the rain is in reverse...that's why we have less gravity...because there's another planet above our planet... i think even in the intro...

[@marucic8967]

​@@Yeah-17 That's a nice theory and all, but it was explained through the story that the retroact rain (the reversed rain) and the lower gravity are effects of the waveworn phenomena, after effects of "the lament" (the catastrophe that hit the world of sol-3)

[@_butter.cup_]

finally someone who doesn't skip the story!!

[@Yeah-17]

​@@marucic8967 yes but remember at the start when the mc swim up to take a breath? the world is up side down...the sea is above the world..and in some area near the dreamless location as you said..the waveworn phenomena...there are city in the clouds above it... damn..kuro is really cooking in the lore... it's kinda deep that make's it better...since the more curious i am..the more i want to stay in this game... i'm just talking about lore but how much more about the gameplay, cutscenes and how the devs listen and keep improving the game? oh speaking of lore...there is a progress..our rover already have a clue who he is in the past..when jue told him that he is a former master of sentinels.."lord arbiter" which is crazy to think that we already have a progress...unlike oth..nvm...i gonna get attacked if i said it..XD

[@nath7690]

genshin defender argument always remind me that times FGO fan defending their low gacha rate cus "That make them feel more special when drawing 5*" 😂

[@MagisterialVoyager]

I literally debated someone over this and then they left when they said I didn’t understand their metaphor… and I pointed out that I did since the beginning. I suppose they just like to suffer? 😭

[@theballance9748]

its just the typical superior complex lmao, guess they have very pitiful embarring history in the pasts, thats why they love that kind of things, so they can feel special

[@syn_mea]

the truest fgo player (aka masochist) would never defend their gacha rates lol its just too embarassing to even make coherent argument about it.

[@Royal_R3GALIA]

They're the new whales most likely. Both f2p and p2p vets will be trashing the game anywhere but will still play it because of bs reasons. Game is trash and we still play it.

[@syn_mea]

@@Royal_R3GALIA at least the story is good for a gacha, but yeah thats it. Playing the game is just suffering.

[@rengi10]

That masochist comment felt a little too close to home...cant imagine why someone would choose less mobility in a game tho, especially something travel and combat related.

[@VoidEnigma]

Yeah that's the fun part of the game!

[@SM-tf3li]

People play Elden Ring

[@KePzez]

​@@SM-tf3liHah! Suffering is part of the authentic Miyazaki Experience.

[@anknewil-7135]

No hate on wuwa or kuro but I believe it's just a case of a different approach. I dropped wuwa just at the end of 1.0, so can't say nothing about 1.1 onwards. In my opinion wuwa is about gameplay and combat - you have way better mobility. Genshin is about immersing yourself in a world - more down to earth movement. Wuwa - open-world arpg, genshin - open world exploration rpg. I prefer genshin's style. The only thing I would prefer from wuwa in genshin is parry - dealing dmg based on enemy max hp - being able to kill a 120 lvl red mist enemy with lvl 1 character was cool. Just wanted to share pov of a person not that interested in action part in general in any game. Oh, and about mountain thingy - apart from liyue - which I agree completely that original 1.x parts of liyue are really bad in that regard - it isn't really an issue. There's no need to scale large mountains in inazuma and mondstadt, there are 4 leaf clovers in sumeru, there are saurians with their unique skills in natlan near the areas where you may need their skills and I personally didn't have any problems in fontaine either - underwater most characters are relatively equal.

[@CzDelta92]

@@anknewil-7135 this basicaly, immersion is why many games choose to do slow exploration, wuwas world i cant even remember any relevant or cool spots after clearing 1.1, you rush tru the areas and never come back, many games ruinned their world with fast mounts like world of warcraft, people literally complain for eyars that flying mounts diminish the world and devs tried to fix it limiting flying for the first weeks of the expansion but the world is empty since everyone is flying, you also get ganked by flying campers too, theres a reason people went back to classic and asked devs to never add flying there lmao Tower of Fantasy had even more tools than wuwa to explore, they had mounts too and gadgets to boost yourself vertically into things you could not climb and even grab walls, who remembers ToF world? no one since the experience was diminished by rushing it with gadgets, genshin also has more explorable zones with cool puzzles that would be meaningless without this restrictions otherwise you could cheese every puzzle in places like those underground ruins etc.. is done for the sake of immersion, why isnt wuwa adding mounts like ToF is everything is made for the sake of it being faster? is wuwa exploration mid compared to ToF?

[@Radish21]

i know some hoyo meatriders are gonna say NATLAN will fix it. No. The fact that you have to go to a DIFFERENT region to get better exploration experience is pretty meh with the need for TWO limited characters to further enhance it As some one who is playing in Natlan right now, yes the exploration is much better especially with kachina and the new mechanics are great but that just makes we want to stay in NATLAN only rather than explore other regions as I still have a lot left to explore as a returning player

[@MarionFR]

It's even worse. Improvements limited to the new region make all older regions look bad and less fun. In general this approach is terrible, same in the case of limiting stuff to characters. Like they added ability to make photos in domains... which is tied to a character, bro... It's very good when regions and characters have some unique traits, but Hoyo pushed it to aspects that should be just basic.

[@JyGproductions]

There is nothing that needs to be fixed. Play most rpg and you will find that running up walls isn't normal. It beats the whole purpose of challenge and exploration. Running up walls is basically kid friendly.

[@anzheilen5217]

​@JyGproductions Bruh 💀 "Running up walls basically kid friendly 🤡" idk dude. Playing a colourful game, climbing a mountain for 5 minutes or game of skill and coolness. Braindead choice

[@JyGproductions]

@anzheilen5217 running up a wall is braindead. Zero challenge. You just run up with out thinking. That is what braindead is. That's why most rpg's don't do it.

[@Kramer8]

​​@@JyGproductionsSure masochists.

[@jamesmuhuhu7987]

When I came back from Wuwa...i kept air dashing and wondering whether i didn't click it right...dodged thinking it would dodge in the game.... grapple and nothing would happen....and climbing... that's a real pain....

[@razornad1299]

I think genshin as a money making is very succesfull … especially when brain washing their costumer Imagine they can sell a FREE QOL for $300 and morons still buying it without any complain

[@MagisterialVoyager]

This roast is spicy. 😂

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

remind me whenpeople were "so happy" about Xianyun because she opens new gameplay with plunge attack being available for all. Fucking hell, how can this even be seen as a good thing ??? So if you don't have this character, you can't use plunge attack in combat ???how great is that exactly ??

[@razornad1299]

@@ThomasAndy-qu8dp hoyo already found a receipt to command their brainless zombies .... Imagine if other companies were doing that (selling Qol for $20) i bet people will be uproar in the internet

[@joemahoma]

Feels like EA

[@razornad1299]

@@joemahoma it is far worse bro If EA is doing this there will be uproar on the internet .... While this company even if they spit to their slave their slave still take that as positive spit

[@FutayuriShironeko]

Genshin's ow mobility and exploration being restricted to characters rather than game mechanics is beyond dogshit. Gliding speed fan however is amazing, since your gliding speed is buffed for your entire glide even when it's buff falls off as long as you don't drop the glider. Edit: my current pre Natlan Genshin's exploration team was Yelan/Kazooha/Lynette/Arlecchino. Arlecchino vaping Yelan shreds everything with swirls. Lynette over Sayu because Lynette is better for combat as well as between Arlecchino, Yelan and Lynette stamina never bottoms out anyway.

[@MarionFR]

Fan is very bad. You can't activate it in the air and it has veeeery looong cooldown. It's also not a huge boost in speed. Most important - switching gadgets is too much a hassle for too little gain. Gliding gadgets they added could be perfectly good if only... they would be gadgets put on a glider, available always when you glide, without switching. That's all what was needed and where they failed.

[@Kyugorn]

Fun fact: Lynette can have two charges if you get one of her constellations. Sayu doesn't have that.

[@lamontehughes7318]

As enjoyable as movement is in Wuthering waves, I just don't feel motivated to explore. Genshin Impact's world design makes me curious enough to care. Natlan has been peak so far.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Genshit is chils play compared to wuwa, it's ok if you like childish looking games with over saturated colours but to me wuthering waves is peak both aesthetically and in maturity

[@Paul-vv5ql]

​@@PaulMiskimmon "oh no, someone is praising genshin?!! Oh gosh they are childish, i must insult them!!" Type ass dude grow up

[@CzDelta92]

@@PaulMiskimmon they literally copied paimon and put the furry mascot there come on now, they are going the goofy childish route in their new patch because it sells better, genshin story is more adult oriented treating themes like slavery murder suicide etc in which wuwa plays more like a shounen, next you are gonna tell me old world of warcraft is a game for children for having cartoonish artstyle

[@plainsalt]

@@CzDelta92 Tell me you didn't play wuwa without telling me. Abby (the Paimon "copy") is barely anything like Paimon. Abby is small and floats, but that's where the similarities end. Abby sleeps inside the MC's body 90% of the time and does not speak for Rover at all and allows the mc to actually be a character, unlike Paimon who keeps interrupting and repeating everything. Abby only shows up briefly and when it actually makes sense. They are very much not going the childish route next patch. It will continue the main plot and we'll visit an indipendant organisation called the Black Shores, where Rover supposedly started their journey, and we'll meet a divine being. A child character, Encore will get her companion quest but that doesn't mean it will be goofy. You're just saying anything to cope. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@CzDelta92 Are you keeping up with the updates bro? This patch is goofy because we all need a break from all the dark themes, you won't realize sadness until you see happiness. And this "paimon copy" you speak of has only a couple similarities namely being white and floating. It's hilarious how genstans claim someone is copying them as if they did it first.

[@bfjrd]

at this point its the ego/pride... If genshin will change it, goes to show they are affected by wuwa. Imagine powerful beings/warriors but with limited stamina xD

[@magnashake]

My pipe dream is that Hoyo is intentionally choosing not to update the old zones, then when the entire map is done they'll update all the old ones to bring them up to date at once.

[@ababil2408]

Just a side note, wuthering waves also have specific gadget that can only be used in certain region like tornado gadget for mourning aix region

[@hehuho890]

how i wish i can used that time-slow gadget which stops enemies... sadly, it's only in the cave...

[@kasmichan]

@@hehuho890 that's a cheat code if they allow us to use it outside... there may be future uses of it since it's still in our gadget list

[@kasmichan]

there isn't much swamp area in jinzhou but let's expect we will be able to use it again in new regions..

[@iPeanutJelly]

this was already apparent with Tower of Fantasy and then coming back to genshin. Exploration actually felt rewarding in there. you could zoom across a map in a few minutes just due to actually having mounts and an extremely good grapple. sure there are like "exploration" units but thats just added on top of an already great traversal core. Wuwa is like the middle ground of both games. its not as fast as TOF but it sure does feel a whole lot better than genshin. There are also "exploration" units in this game too but its not significantly faster by any means.

[@imfruit7894]

I dunno, I much prefer genshins exploration tbh. I know it's pretty weird, but I like running out of stamina and going slow. There's just something so chill about it. I could walk around for hours, finding chests, playing through 12 hour long quests, solving puzzles all while admiring the scenery... Wuwa just immediately tells you where the chests are, and how many of them there are. You can grind it out real quick and never go there again. Because wuwa is more combat and skill based, and doesn't focus all that much on exploration. But I get that I'm a special case, and if you're casual and/or don't like the mechanics in genshin, it would feel very boring and draining. I dunno where I'm going with this tbh, I just felt like sharing my experience. Please don't call *all* genshin players victims or something. It's weird. I choose to play this game cuz it's fun to me, and if it's not for you, then that's your business. Let's just all have our own opinions, okay? Okay. Thanks for reading my nonsensical yapfest ig, lol

[@yoonwehn]

I completely agree!!

[@HioriDummy]

Nah, I'm with you. I also really don't mind running out of stamina at all, its not like it take 1-2 more minutes to regain your stamina. Or while at it I look around and I enjoy the scenery or the music. I'm a day 1 player for both games and still playing both to this day. Sure WuWa is faster and Genshin has a slower pace, but personally I much prefer when I'm exploring in Genshin, it has more "life" in there compared to WuWa.

[@Gazer-x5s]

woah nice bait

[@456tyso]

​@@Gazer-x5ssay that to actual bait comments instead man.

[@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600]

define masochism

[@Dan-qt4zh]

After 3 months without playing Genshin and not spending money no anymore. Today I tried to play the mainstory, I barely ran for an hour. It's just a waste of time and the way to run, jump, fight, and even play, absolutely everything. Thanks to Wuthering Waves, who brought us something that we really like and that makes players value.

[@stressedhaish69420]

Genshin better story, Wuwa better gameplay

[@Vaurnalt]

@@stressedhaish69420 ima stop you right there, better story?? genshin lore is pretty cool but the story telling makes it go from 50 to -100. You spend more time with random npc's than you do with playable characters, the dialog is very lengthy and sometimes even staight ass, characters remain pretty surface level outside of "haha im silly and goofy !!!", "Haha im nice but serious" and "im serious" (they also seem to try just saying "but they have a sad back stories so that makes them complex") , the list goes on

[@cartoonvideos5]

Wuthering Waves has a skip button. It's better.

[@nawu2024]

WuWa : Runs on walls, parkour, grapples.. Genshin : We got Kachina! Who can drill and drive on walls but slower than a Delivery Cat Box! WuWa : Glider carries momentum Genshin : Haha nope.. WuWa : Ledges? Dont worry! Your chara super stronk they can flip over it! Genshin : You stucc now.. System! Let them fall down and start again from the beginning!

[@andreespina9747]

Although I do agree that the gadgets and the core movement mechanics are much more liberating in wuwa, I think natlans exploration is not as bad or forced to pull for natlan characters. For me having to scale the mountains in natlan or traverse water bodies was interesting as I had to look for the saurian (usually always placed nearby) kind of like how players would explore in super mario Odyssey. That being said the criticism of everything being super region locked is so true, definitely introducing gadgets that bring the region locked exploration mechanics to a limited amount would be super welcome

[@xXNaniPTXx]

I played Genshin since release for 2 years and stopped for 1 year, then when Wuwa got release I played until I reached lv 60 or so and dropped it to return to genshin. I'll be honest the exploration felt so slow and I was almost dropped it again, but I didnt and now after basically a month of returning to Genshin I dont really care about the same and exploration overall... the 2 major things I miss from wuwa are the skip function and the fact that the MC actually talks in the main quest, aside from that I do think genshin as a game is better than wuwa, at least that's my opinion... also I dont understand why wuwa players and content creators have the need to compare both games, I really dont see genshin players comparing... just play the game you like the most and stop comparing

[@pralenkaman8105]

Genshin started out as a breath of the wild clone, it wanted to be breath of the wild, it branched out now, which is good, but that's how it started Which is also wild, because breath of the wild has horse to speed up your movement considerably, while genshin has... I guess the weird pokemon things in later regions, problem is that those didn't get ported to older regions, so you have a mixed solution where the newer regions feel better to explore while the older regions feel like a slog Genshin could literally just drop stamina consumption and it would be better for it, make it exclusive to climbing and dodging like in wuwa and you have a bandage fix solution that works globally, not just for newer areas

[@Paul-vv5ql]

Its a nice video overall. However i find the statement "natlan makes the other nations look more dull" to be an understatement ngl. Yelan does boost your overall movement speed but lynette offers slower but she gets the job done, the only char who only have an irreplacable traversing mechanics is kazuha cause he is literally has a double jump. But even that, each region has its own mechanics that lets you traverse those areas more efficiently. Like inazuma, sumeru chenyu vale and natlan have grappling mechanics with a slight tweak. But it does make the regions shine more throughly due to the iterations of this mechanics. Like how inazumas grappling mechanic are fast and spammable if there are ton of em, sumeru on the other hand is slow and the route are easy to follow they even implemented some stamina when climbing to fix the issue cause of the mountainous terrain that sumeru have, chenyu vale does the same but it offers you to be stationary in that point before making the jump. So does natlan. The only tedious regions to do is liyue and Mondstad cause they dont offer any traversal mechanics, heck even fontaine, and enkanomiya has it easy. When you're in fontaine you only go through a portal you get transported to the mountain and you're done. You dont really need yelan and kazuha to climb a mountain or go A to B. But i do agree that gadgets there absolute trash, most of it is unused cause of how underwhelming they are, and its a wasted feature that is only used on specific puzzles in SPECIFC REGION IS STUPID. The gliding is also not good, imagine gliding through a mountain to get a high point oculi but you dont have that much stamina left and you're only way to get down is through teleporting but you dont have a teleporter near so what now? You either go through another teleport that is far away or fall down and use a plunge attack. Both sucks ass and the gadgets that suppose to help you in that gliding isnt helping that much either. Stamina is still the same as ever and you can run out very fast. And when you finish these regions there isnt anything much to do other than grind stuff which is disappointing. Overall, in the movement department genshin loses but in overall exploration and region is where it shines throughly than wuwa. Yes i know wuwa has more indepth/freedom of movement and traversal mechanics, but to me genshin still has more polish into it. I like and play both games and i would like wuwa to have the same polish as genshin.

[@JustCommonPlain]

The title should be 'Why Wuthering Waves Mobility is Better than Genshin.' Exploring isn't about getting from point A to point B quickly; it's about sparking your curiosity. It's about discovering hidden secrets that you would have missed if you hadn't ventured out. I think while well-meaning, the video misses the point of what exploration is truly about.

[@rdmtc]

totally agree, i think people conflate "great mobility" with "great exploration" which is just missing the big picture: the former can be part of the latter, but it shouldn't be treated as equal like the example i had in my mind was BOTW: that game had only limited additional movement options, and yet people really love its exploration

[@hoztile9999]

agree

[@lululumpia]

yup

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Ecactly, people remember climbing the nail in Dragonspine 5 years later, people don't remember any exploration moments in Wuwa 1 month later. Speed and convenience does not mean better, otherwise Assassins creed > dark souls.

[@blueberry7478]

I used to play GI, I left before Inazuma patch. I wanted to return but when I see TOF with so many featurs of exploration just for free and in GI most of them lock behind a specific character which you have to pay of get by luck I give up on it. And with Wuwa who got them like "naturally". Genshin will bever give something userfull or good for just for free.

[@sammycrammy1810]

Genshin could never

[@MagisterialVoyager]

I still miss riding sports bike in TOF. At least we kind of can go nyoom with Inferno Rider Echo. 😂

[@stressedhaish69420]

@@sammycrammy1810 old joke

[@scarletHerbst]

The amount of tricks, efforts, failures and time I took to climb the waterfall cliff from Xianyun's village to Fontaine 😒 I hated it so effin much 😑

[@SyLuX636]

Imagine pulling 1 character just to be able to do a simple exploration/movement QoL that should already in the game.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

No one does nor are they needed. Got most things in Natlan already and don't have Mualanie or Kinich and won't be getting then either. One character having something foes not take away from others because the game is built with not having those in mind. Wanderer can fly, I still got all dendrocullus without him

[@hrcd21]

I'm both WuWa and Genshin player Yes, WuWa has a lot of freedom in exploration than Genshin, WuWa has better traversal, but that doesn't mean it has good exploration. Genshin has much better exploration overall with better musics, world designs, puzzles, better story, etc Genshin exploration meant to be slow, just like in Zelda as it initially took inspiration from Zelda BOTW Slow exploration doesn't mean it's bad, it's just not for you If faster traversal = better exploration, ToF beat Genshin and WuWa. But look at ToF now, it's now selling fan services just to survive. Also look at Death Stranding or The Journey, both games have slow exploration, but look at the rating and how many copies both games have sold.

[@CzDelta92]

a few people here agree they want to move faster and also praise elden ring so much they want wuwa to be like it is hilarious, they forgot elden ring has literally no movement stuff apart from the mount and no way to climb etc.... so they agree movement in the overworld is not everything considering elden ring is super limited like any souls game, also yes ToF already put a better exploration experience than wuwa in 2021, they praise it like the second coming of jesus and the game went down for not offering an interesting world in general and pay 2 win

[@HioriDummy]

Fast = good Slow = bad lmao I got bored faster exploring in WuWa because it literally have nothing to offer other than wall-running and a grappling hook so what?! I barely look and stop for the scenery there and the music is close to being non-existent.

[@zeroyuki92]

It's always about balancing. If faster movement is always better then you can just give options for players to just warp everywhere or let them fly everywhere with no limitation, but clearly there's a con for that as well. The tricky question is to decide where is the ideal balance point.

[@dorin497]

the reason i take so long to complete a world quest is because i actually slow down and stop even, to appreciate the beauty of the environment enhanced by the awesome music. faster does not mean better. well, story skippers would beg to disagree. but if that's the case why are you playing genshin then.

[@gameplayer-_-227]

I HARD disagree, comparing genshin exploration to BOTW exploration, genshin isn't even close because of consideration (or lack there of ) for what types of games they are....genshin is a gacha game where the exploration is monetized and your irl time is currency and a resource...it is NOT like that in BOTW where you are exploring for the experience and gameplay, I can't believe people don't realize the OBVIOUS difference in these games like wtf...just feels like a waste of time in genshin, and feels terrible when I have to do a puzzle for 30 minutes or it takes 7 minutes to climb a cliff and finally get to a chest with 2 premium currency in it 😑...

[@isuka2312]

Easy conclusion Hoyo is a greedy company and Kuro is a company that cares for their players' enjoyment.

[@songbirdyt4717]

Outside of natlan it’s really just a climbing game

[@재현7704]

Because Genshin is only just a copy. . . well you can pay to make your exploration premium, like Mualani/Wanderer/Yelan/Bird girl. Wuwa is also a copy but gives what players aspects of life in game. Also Wuwa has rider and everyone can use it. Know the difference.

[@FocalResonance-1997]

Agreed both games are copy that used BOTW as a blueprint but I guess Genshin did it first but that doesn't give them the credit of originality since they basically ripped of everything from BOTW.

[@REDENCIS]

@@FocalResonance-1997 WuWa is more like Nier automata not BOTW, Kuro is die hard fan of nier

[@SyLuX636]

Wuwa fixed one of the most diassapointing aspects of BotW and Genshin, the Combat.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Botw is shit​@@SyLuX636

[@Anna-sd4zl]

​@@SyLuX636 meanwhile introducing it's own host of own problem that will plague later wuwa is by no means a well adjusted perfect game

[@rdmtc]

good job on creating this video! this must've taken a good effort to make, so props to you you made some good points, but i'm getting the idea that you only explored how "mobility" works in "open world exploration", not the act of "exploration" itself i think it was the wrong move to title your video this way when all you were talking about is how mobility works between these two games, and not even diving deep about the other aspects of "exploration": landmarks, discovering and getting to know the people each region, actually doing quests to find out different histories of that said region... i think you could've even expanded on why the stamina for Genshin mobility work that way, and how that stamina connects with how climbing works: you're supposed to look around and look for a better route... and that's not to mention how dishes help your movements option and stamina usage! it is a missed opportunity and i think this title does not suit the message you were making

[@Listenandchillzz]

after playing them both,I can say that you don't have to compare genshin to wuwa. just play what you like or play them both because they both good game

[@thatskyshu]

they want me to hate a game because they don't like "THAT" game? nah i'll pass, i've loved both and enjoy both! the gatcha addicts under this comment section are wild

[@buga_on_tha_run9515]

Random fun tech with Jiyan: jump > plunge attack > jump cancel > plunge attack > grapple > skill > plunge attack (plunge gets cancelled mid air) > glide That plunge attack cancel might not mean much, but for a game with cool movement, pulling off the whole string feels so satisfying and I'm surprised no one has talked about it.

[@claire98]

I really wish they added that speed boost in Natlan to all the characters. And then make it so you have it in all regions. But they didn't. So WuWa still ftw

[@cartoonvideos5]

The numbers say differently Mason, Wuthering Waves is on the decline. Can't wait for that shorekeeper though.

[@AAAAnca]

not my funky anime game from a multibillion dollar company locking QoL behind a paid gacha!!! if everyone has access to the same basic QoL, then some characters won't feel as special as they are nonoonononoooo we cant have that i want each and every character to feel special because i deserve it because i won them from the gacha!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!

[@MagisterialVoyager]

😂😂😂

[@thatrandomguy7944]

I really couldn't care less. So what if they paid for yelan? I want to explore faster.

[@AAAAnca]

@@thatrandomguy7944 oh yeah the devs are just capitalizing on basic QoL. it's on the players if they miss out on the characters that unlocks faster movement options. definitely nothing wrong with that practice mhm

[@thatrandomguy7944]

@AAAAnca There is? Like fym are you gonna lock away basic QoL behind a paywall? Let's say that having it on a 4 star given 4 free durin playtime would be fine. Like idk, being given a free sayu after doing that inazuma quest. They can do that, but they are scummy.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@thatrandomguy7944 👆

[@nikkoflores920]

Man I just comeback to play 5.0 after 2weeks Exploring/Travelling on genshin is such a hassel No wall running, grapling or double jump I have to put Kazuha and Yelan just to make my travel a lil bit easier Playing WuWa really makes you compare the QoL on both games

[@Proxy606]

“(Insert title of video here cuz I’m lazy)” Because one game lets you run up walls and glide without stamina while the other takes open world and leaves it for walking

[@harukazi5154]

Looking at the comments, when you like Genshin, WuWa fans will start to insult you. They can't fathom why some people prefer other games 😅. Right now I'm playing both games and for me Genshin exploration is much more enjoyable. Fast is not equal to better experience for everyone. But haters will be haters so I understand 😅

[@brago900]

You can use the mounts outside of Natlan, their only limitation is that the red bar is exclusive to Natlan (I do not rule out that Mavuika's exploration passive is to enable this bar outside of Natlan, they could even link Maviuka's fiery hair to this bar) and that you cannot use the mount change.

[@TheMissvipTH]

Can we please compain a little about Natlan update? They made all those updates for better exploration and its still SLOOOW

[@bakutie]

maybe in 4 more years they'll finally stop putting all their effort into systems carefully designed to waste your time who am I kidding they'll just find new ways to do so while still making people think they're playing the greatest game ever made that's the only thing mihoyo is good at

[@p4ntom87]

i want wuwa to be as good as titles like eldenring, i hope devs should stop aiming the same standards as genshin

[@MarionFR]

Very good point. Unfortunately Kuro was aiming too much at creating a 'better Genshin', when they should just develop their own ideas. A lot of stuff in WuWa is similar to Genshin despite it's not good at all in the first place or doesn't even fit their original ideas and approach. At the same time they haven't taken some aspects that are very good in Genshin. WuWa is a very good game, but could be even better and I'm rather concerned about it's future. I see no depth in mechanics which could keep the game fresh and interesting in the long term.

[@FocalResonance-1997]

@@MarionFR 1.3 is going to change that with Black Shores, if you heard the leaks their music and the overall aesthetic of the map has changed, it's more mature and ominous.

[@p4ntom87]

@@MarionFR mechanics are fine, but i think the open world experience is a bit too similar to genshin, i hope they can design future maps and stories that feel more post apocalyptic like in their previous game punishing grey raven. but i do have high hopes for 1.3 after taking a little peak on the leaks

[@MarionFR]

@@p4ntom87 No, mechanics are not fine. Not for the game to stay fresh and interesting for many months, not mentioning for longer. Combat mechanics are very fun, but it's way too little to keep creating new great and innovative characters, teams and enemies.

[@yuu23163]

Tbf, wuwa'a direction tuned 180 when player feedback hit the game during CBT's. The game was post apocalyptic theme. But players/testers want it to be more genshin like for brainrot and competition.

[@Bullminator]

Its still crap with free Kachina. (oh and she only works for new zone .... new players will hate that in old zones)

[@BladeSerph]

That really gonna hit harder for those that basically skipped numerous regions in the game since donno what the requirements to enter nathlan will be, but if its another fontaine situation, that already means the story has to be 2/3rds not have any prior references to other regions (cept monstadt for obvious reasons) and the rest of the region can not do any real information to connect the dots with other regions. Hell, they are forced to where if they dont make snezneyaha require ALL OTHER SIX REGIONS to be completed first, then its gonna be another rinse and repeat despite the `main antagonist force` of a season 1 type story has to act like a beeg dummy and instantly waifu-bait cause banner tradition gags. Essentially its Digimon Ghost game `plot logic` all over again, where they want each region to be untethered as much from other regions story-wise yet try and have some random inclusion `continuity story` which amounts to jack-shite. AKA, they basically want to make open world frustrating to not simply speed run the entire thing with some monstadt+liyue national 4 star team combination. Which got especially notice`able now with nathlan and had large chunks of that problem design in fontaine and technically sumeru and inazuma had that a smidge, even liyue too due to `geo units` getting an advantage to breaking particular things like making `geo constructs` or something.

[@Bullminator]

@@BladeSerph I mean, i tried the new domain today for book materials and mobs there are tanky as hell. Pretty much any dungeon my free to play c4 yae miko can 1KO everything with Q ability. But those fire elementals, holy shit hp sponges. I dont even want to lvl up my world now as its gona be just more pain in ass (and also lol rewards)

[@BladeSerph]

@@Bullminator Ah yes, a fair reminder why even early on in the first year of genshin, somehow my future self probably was screeching at me in the past to bail out before i dealt with HP sponges with 10 times or more the Effective health of bosses from the previous region, in spades. Cause when you have tanky mofo bosses that not only have invulnerability phases way too damn often (refer to the Elemental cubes, the rock snek and moar) and no means to `force them into a sizable vulnerability` that doesnt demand hyper specific elements (refer to Dendro Cube boss & Rock snek boss) todo so, then you know the game company cant design bosses worth shite. Probably why in Wuthering waves i havent hit that annoyance factor yet because my PTSD factor with it is tactical holograms tier IV~VI can straight up obliterate some characters in one shot without being fully leveled and food buffs in place... Even more so that because when you look into the specifics of genshin reaction system, you only having to level the `Reaction trigger unit` to actually trigger the damage multipliers, kind of makes developing other units far less important. Welp, heres to hoping in WuWa, now that im pushing talent levels of my DPS units from 6 & 7 up to 10 out of 10 now, i can enjoy that sizable jump in DPS value... Granted, i likely felt that annoyance in Genshin as soon as Fatui agents with stupid elemental shields you need specific elements to `cancel them out` or the stupid abyss mages constantly freezing/bubbling yourself like trolls...

[@Bullminator]

@@BladeSerph Oh yeah....this is why i got Siegwinne.... for revenge :D

[@RiverSong-px9yg]

@BladeSerph anyone can explore all the regions except Inazuma. The requirements to get Kachina is to skip from Liyue to Natlan.

[@zavoxd7604]

Yesterday i played genshin after playing wuwa for 2 months++, exploration feels like shit 😂

[@Someone45356]

You mentioned you didnt want to trivialize the game by using wanderer yet make a point about mountains taking 2 minutes? If there’s any character that can deal with unwalkable slopes its gotta be wanderer. By just floating onto slopes you dont get slided off like all the other characters meaning that you can essentially walk your way up mountains a lot of the time. And honestly i think thats like the highlight of the use for wanderer, because you’re completely right that the game would be so insufferable without him in my team to make that task quick and simple

[@WhoamI-td2fq]

I didn't even know that using Jue helps you with upward wind push when gliding.

[@sssocker]

no game made for everyone this video can be alot shorter by saying "i like faster exploration" thats it. i mean i get it tho ur enjoyment of "exploring" is easy to explore, u dont want mechanics that lock to its world but to a player control like wuwa. its just funny to me genshin is fantasy game but their stamina is limited but the world can interact with element such burning grass, electric in the water etc and wuwa is sci-fi game but their stamina is "unlimited" outside the combat but the world not interact with element hey good video tho so u like wuwa more i get it

[@rboygamer6668]

And guess what there's another new premium character to solve your exploration by walking/running on the wall seriously mihoyo really to stop this stupid habit.

[@KZt-Ksh]

Blonde Dehya look alike is what you talking about i suppose

[@RiverSong-px9yg]

Rollerblading with Xilonen

[@CzDelta92]

they gave kachina for free to everyone and she powercreeps many 5*s in exploration letting you climb in any angle destroy rocks instantly and other things, theres no excuse for not having her lmao

[@KZt-Ksh]

@@CzDelta92 does it last longer though outside natlan?

[@rboygamer6668]

@@CzDelta92 I know what you talking about but I don't want to play a character that I don't like.

[@svenwalter4293]

Glad i clicked on this vid its actually insightful, I initially dismissed it as genshin bad wuwa good with the thumbnail

[@Aibadenshi]

Exploration wise, for me Wuwa only win the mobility and utilities portion of exploration. Despite the ability to run up wall and very useful gadget, i feel like i don`t the doing actual exploration and the feeling increases with after getting the Lootmapper where the exploration is like opening the interactive map look at where to goes and run straight to that chest and that is pretty much my exploration experience with Wuwa. While Genshin win the actual exploration despite it doesn`t have the increase mobility and utilities like Wuwa. (and genshin really needed the infinite stamina outside for combat and faster moving up wall ability) Because i have to actually do the exploration myself for chest and secret, find quickest way to get to a point and because the Compass is longer to obtain i have to legitimate goes around search for chest for decent amount of time before it turn into the mundane point A to B. Like use finding a way up mountain for example. In Wuwa i would just run straight up with only stamina being the only concern, time save and everything. While in Genshin i have find a way to get as high as possible before climbing to conserve stamina or don`t as all due to i there path you can just use to walk up the mountain.

[@yuunarukami8622]

so yeah you are just maso that like to spend indefinite times on games. Not everyone have free times like you, that qol in wuwa is for helping people that only can spend their times on free day like sunday. but yeah you go enjoy your times in the genshin exploration. I would just eating good with the qol that gonna makes my day easier in the games

[@Aibadenshi]

@@yuunarukami8622 My only real free time is my only day off since i have an 10-12 hours job and other stuff irl on top of a 3 other Gacha besisde from Wuwa and Genshin. I said i feel Genshin Exploration felt like actual Exploration, while Wuwa i just get straight to the point

[@Aibadenshi]

@@yuunarukami8622 I don`t spend alot of time in game. Due to life and work. I just said due to Genshin felt more like actual exploring due to it slower pace of movement byproduct make it felt you actually exploring.

[@yuunarukami8622]

@@Aibadenshi ahh thats your opinion, for me myself i enjoy quick and ditch exploration, its better to enjoy that short times of exploration compared forcing myself to think to much when in the end its the same result.

[@Atmo-sp]

@@Aibadenshi Guess what, there is somethigng called option, you don't have to use the lootmapper, you can explore the same way that you do in Genshin but YOU made the choice to not do it, why ? Maybe because it was more conveniente ? It seems you don't realy like exploring without help or like to be forced to it. Oh and you can also not run on wall, but apparently you also choose to do it. Saying you prefere Genshin way but the moment you are offered an alternative you jump on it without questioning yourself.

[@yuyuaru]

If only they can remove that red bar in Natlan so I don't have to interact with red shrine something.

[@elimgarak1127]

There's nothing to really explore, you just aren't stopped by walls most of the time.

[@Evgenia00]

better and faster movement, but boring exploration. painful and slower movement, but world exploration are actually fun. take your pill and shut up.

[@Evgenia00]

@@playermasterfun7334 exploration it's not only how fast your character run, or how advanced gameplay is. The WORLD itself should be interesting. Both game lack of something. That's why is stupid to go barsek on each other with "nah, my game better then yours" Just play whatever you want to play. Now it makes sense to you?

[@highstudentproduction8195]

Can't forget the Inferno Rider, i got Changli and the main Echo is Inferno. Man it was really fun! cant forget you need to do Parkour to 100% some map.

[@Averageguy1221]

I have 2 experiences when trying to climb in both games and ran out of stamina Genshin: Accepts falling to your death or do a Kazuha Skill Clutch Wuwa: Zhezhi saving us by her floating attacks and a 5-10 seconds mid-air interval to charge your stamina

[@_butter.cup_]

plunge attacks (even really high ones) don't drain HP in wuwa

[@Averageguy1221]

@@_butter.cup_ yes but in Genshin it does drain your HP Not as much as falling cuz it deals more than that

[@maestroguru96]

The amount of pure hate to Genshin is just mind-boggling.

[@Royal_R3GALIA]

Nah it's expected especially from old players that are tired of hoyo bs

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Small pp syndrome, can't like a game without obsessing over the other. Especially if the other is more succesvol.

[@cantanuh]

I think you severely misinterpret what the words "failure" and "success" mean. Just because you like a game more than another does not impact the overall success of the game at all 😭

[@grymns]

Why would hoyo make useful gadgets, they won't be able to sell you QoL in they characters anymore

[@david_ace]

6:55 oh BTW you can actualy drown at fontaine, yes u read it right. that was at the far right station i started to swim in the water at the right side(near the end of the map border) and when i noticed that my stamina was empty it was too late

[@MarionFR]

Because you were outside. You were swimming in the sea. It goes far from Fontaine, right? You can only dive in the Fontaine's lake. Yes, it is a lake.

[@david_ace]

@@MarionFR it was still in the fontaine zone, like the left of the station was a swimming water, so the right should also be but that was not the case despite even have a challenge there lol

[@Saberdud]

is like patrick once said "life's an enigma"

[@ShibaInu-xb4lx]

Genshin is just boring. Natlan character design is bad, the new abilities are also nothing special. And what once was kinda dark with playfull Jiang or god of salt story. It turned into children show. I was just trying to enter natlan and instandly throw into a wall of text and pamper dialogs. After the wall of text I wanted to port out and of course I had end the quest what makes me instandly close the game. I just can't play it anymore...

[@kip4993]

after playing wuwa I can't go back to genshit lack of parkour

[@lionearth3190]

Tried Natlan today. Pulled for Mualani. Tried the pokemons. It still suck so bad. It feels like scraping my balls on broken glass when exploring.

[@Shraz0108]

yeah first is exploration, next is the skip button. While i don't skip for main event with playable character(as the thanks for Kuro for adding skip button), i don't want to hear npc talking forever. like the world quest and exploration quest .

[@Xeresnider]

hif I can recall land surfing and water surfing was done by tower of fantasy first so i don't think genshin is first as for useful gadgets it also exist in tof.

[@hehuho890]

my expectations for genshite is low, but what the F? now they locked the exploration behind limited gacha characters and we still don't know if it's constellation locked... and i assumed their passives are still the same (double the amount of crafting, reduced stamina when doing etc.) wuwa has like a shooting hoverdrone which helps in shooting puzzles without relying on gunners (pray for 5* gunner in the future) also some echoes have abilities to help in traveling (cyan heron dash, inferno rider etc.) felt sorry for those hoyo-bootlickers stuck in abusive relationship... i broke up since 2022 and felt better with blue archive and wuwa... may rng have mercy on your souls...

[@krosingu]

idk i think both are good in their way and im having fun playing both game without spending money. i dont know if this happened to old gacha game but is it gacha player and cc's always doing something like this? "which game is better?" type thing. is it normal? or this is just internet thing? bcs when i play PS1 (at least games that im not interacted with internet) my friend just told me if they dont like they gonna said "i dont like it" without comparing

[@Fluskar]

i still dont know why genshin punishes us for exploring, fxcking stupid ass stamina system

[@doriansz3130]

Almost every open world game has stamina for sprinting. Thats not a genshin thing

[@Fluskar]

@@doriansz3130 No shit man, Im talking about how the stamina runs out way to quickly to do anything WuWa movement doesnt consume stamina outside of combat, so u can basically run or climb infinitely

[@ninjatoad89]

whats crazy ia why do these games need to have a stamina system when they want us to explore the world???

[@dficwriter]

Don’t forget mandatory element of each region for puzzles! And an archer too. And water walk. This is RIDICULOUS. You basically will never see your new char, god forbid if he wants some special comp. My team used to be Ayaka, Kazuha, Barbara for res and passive heals + whatever char is best for current region puzzles. Recently got Furina so my Ayaka could finally rest and Clorinde was able to get the free spot from Barbara. No one talks about how shit element based puzzles are yet this is a stupid mechanic that forces you to switch team constantly or select chars even more strictly.

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Oh I used to despise elemental puzzles and switching out characters took like a minute because for some god damm reason the party loader has to load up. That always made changing party members a chore in itself to me

[@_butter.cup_]

I love all kinds of puzzles but really hated genshin's restrictive nature of it

[@SoulHydron]

I really liked the movement in wuwa, my problem is that I just found the map and environment less interesting to explore, and the world/lore less compelling. Mt. firmament was a little better though as the lore and background story was actually pretty cool, but the main story quest didnt really focus on the town and its people so it still felt kind of artificial to just boost the focus on jinshi. Injust dont care about the world in wuwa that much compared to the chars

[@Imjustme1943]

Im trying to get back into genshin but the exploration is so slow and gameplay is just not as fun. The story seems ok though.

[@sherlocksvp5537]

Wanderer was a must pull for damage and open world in 1

[@CaptainArdalas]

Genshit yapping is unbearable. No skip button is pain. That’s why I don’t play it

[@terrycornelius4]

Ever since WuWa first released they kinda just killed any semblance of joy I had with Genshin exploration (if I even had any left when I left). Their traversal is just that much more fluid and enjoyable. Going back to Genshin to try out Natlan just feels like a chore to explore. Even if they did add new traversal mechanics in Natlan the fact that you have to specifically possess a Saurian to gain access to such a mechanic just kills all the flow. The moment you need to utilize a different mechanic you have to pop out and possess another Saurian just to get over gaps. I practically gave up any hope I have left for Genshin within one patch. Don't even get me started on the paywalled character traversal abilities that are massively nerfed outside of Natlan - domains included.

[@terrycornelius4]

Next thing you know they'll release Mavuika with all the available traversal abilities. Only for her to be massively nerfed outside of Natlan again.

[@Mr_DE_0395]

Genshin has become basically a pay to play game without telling you it's a pay to play game. Every fix to any problem in the exploration, which, is the only thing they offer for the past 4 years that is consistent, they tied it all to characters, hell the whole natlan roster is exploration QoL that get split and put into characters. One coincidence about anyone that say they enjoy new region or new content in the game, they all have the new character, and the one that don't, not enjoying it. if you don't have new character, you basically having a patch of nothing. Or having a sub optimal patch that is very uncomfortable to play without new character, aka, the current natlan

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

64 million people playing Natlan right now, less than 20 million baught Kinich or Mualanie. You saying that everyone who did not by Mualanie is not enjoying Natlan is hillariously stupid when more than half of the playerbase does not have her and is still enjoying Natlan like me.

[@Randommtf]

i changed my mind, just enjoy whatever game you want to enjoy because you can't have an opinion and express it without being called coping these day Edit: the hoyoverse boycott in this fandom is crazy

[@MarionFR]

cope

[@LightningXIII6366]

True I really can't understand gamers nowadays sticking to only one game and bringing down other games and gamers that are not playing their favorite game

[@ironclad-m3q]

When you express your opinion to the public, that public has the right to express their response. It's not rocket science.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@ironclad-m3q 💯

[@Randommtf]

@@ironclad-m3q a response to an opinion that is not a constructive response is either another opinion or just an insult, sure you have the right to express to someone else response but i had too high of a hope for yall when i though we was gonna have some actual constructive game talk but instead i got bombarded with people don't even tryna understand my perspective and just spam coping

[@Mortal_Indeed]

I just has this feeling when playing both games Wuwa: Designed a world first as they want, then give you the tools to traverse comfortably Natlan: Designed the skill for new char first, then match the tranversal difficulty to their skill forcing you to pull, and give you inferior version of the skill in the form of dragons in case anyone complains

[@WanshiLucidDreamer]

I'm kinda bored of Genshin vs WuWa content or any other gacha games content now😔. Moving to BR games once again. Enjoy your war in comment section keyboard warriors (If you are one)

[@WyvernLord11th]

As long as everyone of us enjoy the games we played i guess?

[@TopTOBiiiii]

Y'all should learn to tell the difference between discussions and war

[@WanshiLucidDreamer]

@@TopTOBiiiii Wait for a month bro. This comment section will be converted into a battlefield within that time period. Just wait n watch 😂👍

[@TopTOBiiiii]

@@WanshiLucidDreamer I'm talking about the video bro 😭 No matter what the content is you can make chaos in the comments easily by ragebaits but the point of the video is opening a discussion based on our experiences and you can see people doing that in the comments. Only if the point of the video was starting war your comment would've been understandable

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@TopTOBiiiiiGod forbid we actually debate and compare points. 😂

[@williancandidodesouza5030]

And not tô say If natlan exploration is to good what will the next region do to not drop the ball and live up to it

[@Arizya27]

I would honestly would love to play gi again if they will improve their exploration and not lock those features from limited characters and regions

[@herbertcoxe3601]

You actually only need 2 characters Xianyun, C1 if you have, Yelan, C1 if you have, that’s the best way in my opinion anything else is overkill.