Why Germany Backs Israel | Hanno Hauenstein | TMR

[@ChristinaGerlach]

“My parents often wondered why I would grow so indignant at the falsification and exploitation of the Nazi genocide. The most obvious answer is that it has been used to justify criminal policies of the Israeli state and US support for these policies.” ― Norman G. Finkelstein

[@saad4447]

true

[@johnMcHale-j5s]

"Norman G. Finkelstein"...yabba dabba do - Fred Flinstone

[@hopfbifurcation1973]

Exactly!! Now that Israel has done the same thing to palestinians, who will blame someone again for haulocost? No one !! The answer is: jews did the same thing to palestinians !!

[@chuck6033]

@@johnMcHale-j5sOk. That’s a solid joke. But you do realize you’re sorta like John Demjankuk telling Dad jokes while shoveling Jews into the ovens, right? People who have never held office, picked up a weapon or even thrown a rock are dead because the Israeli Occupied Government is filled with psychopathic demons.

[@Thiscannotbetruebutitis]

Well said. And, the perpetrator Germany uses the holocaust to justify its indefensible complicity with Israel in yet another genocide.

[@dietwald]

Supporting Israel is the easiest way for Germans to prove to other Germans how totally not antisemitic they are. Got nothing to do with concern for the safety of the Jewish people.

[@burninghard]

Half right. It´s a political move. It´s not Germans that hammer the point into other Germans heads but it was and is politicians that always equal Israel with "the jews". When you live here you never come across teh thought that Israel and the Jewish people are not interchangable. It was a very easy way for politicians to restore their credibility on the world stage and evolved into deep economic ties with Israel and thus as always needs to be protected at any cost. Kind of the same dynamic as in the US.

[@goldbluetears]

it´s really like a mental condition, it is like a kind of sickness of the german psyche that actually reflects their past behaivour. The last couple of months have really revealed the level through which the whole society is propaganized and how all dissent is very methodically and effectively silenced.

[@Samaa-os7hx]

Germans love Jews so much that they expelled them out of Germany. Perhaps time to make reparations and give Jews Bavaria or some other region and stop supporting theft of Arab land. Germans are never taught that the moustache guy was Jewish zionist.

[@robin.stuart]

copy paste my comment here for dietwald I live in Germany. I don't really agree with this guy. The newspapers politicians etc. just reflect what the people want to hear. My experience among normal Germans "on the street" - many otherwise open minded Germans can't get their head around criticising Israel. It's a taboo. Germans feel guilty about what they did, this is especially so among older Germans, they learnt this guilt in school, they have believed it for 50-60 years... It's very hard for people to change. They arent Nazis, it's a tragic state of confusion. Its not the simple straightforward perversion of UK and USA politicians. dietwald comments: Supporting Israel is the easiest way for Germans to prove to other Germans how totally not antisemitic they are.Supporting Israel is the easiest way for Germans to prove to other Germans how totally not antisemitic they are.

[@jessicabosco3009]

Arab people are semetic. Anti semetic was only used by Jewish Zionists to shut down any criticism

[@jeremiasrobinson]

Germany, the US, the UK... all need to be held accountable as states for their part in this.

[@izee6036]

The French, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain , Portugal, Sweden all these nations are to held accountable to they are all genocide maniacs.

[@J.Radwan]

Particularly the Brits and their atrocious Balfour declaration.

[@carlomariaromano4320]

And France, Canada, Australia, etc.

[@johnMcHale-j5s]

"all need to be held accountable as states>///don't talk, DO!...why are you asking others to do YOUR work, lazy?

[@frankdunne-gp6oy]

​@carlomariaromano4320 All colonialists past and present.I watched a film recently 'Bones of crows'.About Canada mistreatment of the indigenous the people.Text copy of the industrial school system used in Ireland (see film magdalen laundries).They found buried,the remains of thousands of children, as in tuam, Ireland.

[@insu_na]

Most younger Germans understand what's really going on, but both Politics and our Media are controlled by old people. Old people generally think young people are idiots, so any objections younger people have are just ignored and called ignorant.

[@burninghard]

And don´t forget that the media and politicians have personal gains from their relations to Israel.

[@burninghard]

@celienat9369 Yes and no. The Israel lobby is indeed strong in Germany but they don´t have the financial leverage as in the US. Here it´s rather the moral pressure. If the "Zentralrat der Juden" comes out and says something is antisemetic politicians shit their pants. Plus it´s also economic pressure from domestic weapon manufacturers that plays into it.

[@prof_milki6989]

@celienat9369 Yep. There's one big lobby org, comparable to APAIC. But they're less into bribery. The slander coercion is significantly stronger over here in Germany. (Also due to insurmountable historical guilt.)

[@f1aziz]

@@prof_milki6989 Zionists have a hold over German conscious, they got you guys by the balls and Palestinians have to suffer for it. Germans should be very aware of the fact that their guilty conscious makes them stand with the oppressors. To the oppressed Palestinians, the Europeans and Americans really aren't that different from Israelis.

[@alletsnow]

The older gen, unlike the younger gen have more invested on the stock market than the younger gen, so they go where the money is; hence, they invest indiscriminately, making money from companies causing harm.

[@maryl8753]

Germany's Moral compass is still broken

[@leslieudvardi2748]

WoW! You are so right. It's very disappointing.

[@Sommer-xw8my]

So true, in every sense of this term and of all levels. This government is the worst I ever seen

[@JARV9701]

Germany: "Never again" World: "Thats the attitude " Germamy: "We will support Isrsel in ANYTHING!" World: Wait you idiot, that wasn't the point!

[@grennoin3108]

We are so efficient, we only ever needed to think once about our stance towards Isreal and never had to make any revisions.

[@Iskelderon]

Funny how people always conveniently forget the rest of Germany's "Never again.." line when it helps them to post proof of their stupidity online

[@Berlin36-fh8tf]

As a German I can say it's embarrassing how Germany is isolating itself together with Israel. All news is being censored but luckily we can watch foreign and independent news channels.

[@angh18]

I am in England, viewing Pro-Palestian marches, shown as 'Hamas Supporters', 'Freedom for Palestine' peaceful attendants arrested etc... And the 'Hate Muslims/Immigrants' sky-rocket. What a sad Zeitgiest we live with.

[@nahumhabte6210]

how many Germans do you think actually support Israel, percentage wise? i cant imagine it being alot

[@angh18]

@@nahumhabte6210 Nobody will know because Germany suppresses any pro-Palestinian voices from their own citizens, as the comment you replied to, informs.

[@hendrikbanhardt4700]

@@nahumhabte6210- really „support“ I would say ~40%-45%, being silent coz of „fear of legal issues“ maybe ~30-35%, really protesting AGAINST ISRAEL maybe ~25%-30%

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

​@@hendrikbanhardt4700 I'd say 30% support, 60% disinterested or not touching that (mostly paying very basic lip service to support for i-country), and 10% opposition. the more interesting matter than to what degree some support a fairy tale version of i-country is the very high acceptance rate of dehum°°ization of pal°°°nians and extreme devaluing of their lives in public perception, because that's very present in the full 90% who don't profess to take issue with i-country.

[@darklysparklingdownthestream]

Greetings from Germany. Thanks so much for covering this. It’s truly mortifying and disturbing what’s going on over here. He mentioned it briefly, but the strong tide of Islamophobia and anti migration sentiments on all sides of the political spectrum are also fitting it neatly with this whole story. Gross. 🤢

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

Germany being ashamed of the holocaust is right. Supporting a new genocide because of that shame is wrong.

[@Justme-rt4gj]

Well in that case basing the entirety of Germany national identity on Shame and self hate was an error from the left

[@prof_milki6989]

This. The holocaust didn't just happen because of the Nazi party, but because people looked the other way. No lessons learned. That being said, the Zionist lobby is much more encrusted over here. Even jewish Germans speaking out are silenced with the same habitual slander. Was kinda surprised that our foreign minister got away with speaking out (even if just the bare minimum: google://"Germany's Baerbock: Gaza 'on brink of collapse' without ceasefire")

[@Kreator-p6c]

Why should the Germans feel ashamed, it was Jewry that declared war on them! Israeli-Jews never feel ashamed for their crimes.

[@vsslsmchlks]

It’s not only wrong, it’s almost repeating one of the greatest crimes of the history of the world.

[@ZahidaAllieAllie]

Clearly Germany is not ashamed of anything… neither are the rest of the West! They believe in injustice, racism and colonisation! They believe I’m destroying black and brown countries for money and power!

[@Christian-ip3vz]

Germany pawned all its past sins to the suffering of the Palestinians.

[@nessunodorme3888]

Well said!

[@davidradovsky5354]

They are mud people, who cares about them.

[@Draxtor]

Greetings from Munich and thx so much for having Hanno on. I have a "Save Gaza" bracelet and a few times people in my neighborhood (all refugees from Syria actually) said THANK YOU when they noticed. I told them that I am ashamed of "my" country and that I felt I needed to signal in public life that there is still some pockets of humanity here. But alas as Hanno describes: the climate is INSANE!

[@sirusThu]

Israel should exist within Germany , if they feel that guilty. They just need to give them a piece of their land to make a country

[@davidka8345]

Where? In Bavaria?

[@Iskelderon]

The Soviets already stole a thind of Germany so they could give it to the Poles instead of giving back eastern Poland that they stole when they were buddies with Hitler, so Israel settle that shit with Poland and Russia.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@davidka8345 This would still be more logical than where Israel was set up in reality.

[@RexxyRobin]

Absolutely. And I say this as a german. I mean.. ideally I dont think there should be any ethno states and all countries should strife to be safe for jewisch people and all other demographics. But when the survivors or of the Holocaust (understandibly) wanted to establish their own autonomous space it should have been on land previously owned by germany. Some might say that post WW2 europe was too dangerous for jewish ppl, but so was the middle east. Everyone always talks about how israel is in a "dangerous neighbourhood" and in western Europe the nato would have had an easier time ensuring the safety of the jewish people.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@RexxyRobin I often think that Jews should have a right to return. To return to Europe if they're European and to return to wherever else they or their ancestors are from. For it to be a very official thing. "You or your ancestors were here during the Third Reich or somewhat shortly before? Okay, in this case, you can come live here and get citizenship."

[@PerceivedREALITY999]

Saying there are no nazis in Israel is like saying there are no nazis in the German parliament.

[@joeavreg2254]

I can't remember who it was that said it but about 10 years ago someone wrote about how many settlers were huge anti-semites because any Jew who chooses to not live in Israel is actually a secret betrayer. The fact that you can be vulnerable to the propaganda that targets you specifically is overlooked heavily by people. These "I'm one of the good ones" freaks are inherently dangerous people.

[@Argacyan]

or no nazis in US politics, etc

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

Saying israel has nazis is like saying the local slaughterhouse is run by vegetarians.

[@LilyJones-mu2cy]

​@@user-qr7ee2cp4y weird that some of the people who cooperated with the Nazis and sold out their communities so they could flee the holocaust ended up being senior figures in Israeli society?

[@chandelier6811]

@@user-qr7ee2cp4ySearch up Ezra Yachin and the history of the militia group he was in

[@heyyodude8637]

Germany backing up a genocidal country? Whoa what a surprised.

[@milakowalski4539]

Germany had the right to defend itself.

[@szczupack]

@@milakowalski4539 from them pesky poles!

[@burninghard]

Israel has kind of an extraordinary role here. Germans condemn a lot of genocidal acts and generally are more often on the right side of history than the other way around but on Israel they have a giant blind spot for political reasons. Some politicians back in the 80´s decided it was the easiest way to get rid of the Nazi label by supporting Israel no matter what. And that remained to this day.

[@tombrunner8181]

Germany has been occupied for 100 years. This is not a joke, the textbooks in Germany are prescribed by the Allies. Criticism of Israel is a crime and will be prosecuted

[@tombrunner8181]

The truth about WW1 is slowly coming to light after 100 years. Maybe also about the 2nd World War.

[@joshbates9015]

Haven't watched the video yet, but my guess is that they feel the need to overcompensate due to their history with regards to the Holocaust, and the prevalence of a pronounced cultural aversion to accusations of antisemitism, regardless of how flippant they are.

[@ENT756]

@@meetontheledge1380 Unfortunately, there is some truth in what you are stating.

[@Samaa-os7hx]

​@@meetontheledge1380Add to that that the wall and the nearby area is actually part of Gaza territory.

[@davidradovsky5354]

@@meetontheledge1380😂😂😂😂😂 loser

[@Hesham_963]

I don’t know why Germany is always on the wrong side of history…

[@mercomania]

And the US and UK is?

[@samsung40_media87]

they just can't help themselves the OGs (original genociders)

[@joeavreg2254]

@@mercomaniaYou'll find the same with the Dutch, French, Italians and generally any country with a colonial past. They will all freak the fuck out if they ever hear colonised people calling out their colonisers.

[@mercomania]

I think you will find the British Empire were the original genocider´s along with the US settlers. @@samsung40_media87

[@sureyyaekinci4630]

They are either racists or fascists or maybe both ! I mean the government not the people . They have had a lot of protests too even though they were banned

[@ChristinaGerlach]

The poor IDF are the real victims just ask them. Being so cruel to the helpless people takes a toll, don't you know. All that PTSD after ending the live of helpless women and children. Poor things can't sleep.

[@frizzl4]

on that note, I can only recommend the movie „Waltz with Bashir“, on exactly this topic

[@joeavreg2254]

Don't worry, a former IDF freak is the CEO and founder of BetterHelp that gives free counselling to them. Another in the long list of reasons to warn everyone you ever even meet away from that shit.

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

Well, you're sarcastic, but that was a concern for Nazi Germany in their brutal treatment of Jews and Slavic people in Eastern Europe also.

[@billking8843]

Seriously there will be thousands of IDF peeps who will be broken for life by intrusive memories of what they did. The worst of them will be proud but a lot will be haunted.

[@milakowalski4539]

LOL POOR, MY ARSE

[@highvolumepls]

I know many Germans and too often they sit on the fence😢

[@tmzz3609]

It's a country still run by the children of literal Nazis......... Most "boomers" in Germany were literally born to Nazi parents. In some cases they joined less than enthusiastically but Angela Merkels father grew up in Hitler Youth and served in the Wermacht

[@erikt1713]

Many simply do not care. Some pro-Palestinians are very loud. The majority stands with Israel, though.

[@skarbuskreska]

​@@erikt1713not the civilians, more like politics, media and policy. Many more people than just the protesters on the street are against what is happening in Gaza.

[@erikt1713]

@@skarbuskreska Some youngsters think it's cool to be against Israel. It gives them a sense of rebellion. They are the "useful idiots" that Hamas and their backers laugh about. It's also funny that many are in favor of trans rights and LGBTQIA+ but also support people who want to have a backward Islamic dictatorship in place of Israel.

[@mb37073]

This is a deep guilty feeling of the past, and nothing more. Remember, in your parliament sitting Nazis, how does it come?

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

That's a side effect of democracy.

[@asdoof4]

​@@charisma-hornum-fries Yeah but the point is he should be focusing on Germany, the nazis here are winning ground.

[@Iskelderon]

​@@charisma-hornum-friesSame way the US that prides itself with defeating the Nazis is in danger of re-electing a fascist right now.

[@Kreator-p6c]

One cannot be a Nazi and support Israel, that would be like someone who is a Christian who loves Satan.

[@DaleIsWigging]

​@@IskelderonRussia defeated them. Why doesnt US support Russia? US saved them with operation paperclip. US also funded ukrainian nazis with operation aerodynamic. Israel is mainly funded by US too. This makes it very unsuprising when you find out that the early zionists were allied with the nazis.

[@philb.1502]

Germany is being shamed into supporting Israel because of the Holocaust. Germany shouldn't assist Israel in carrying out a genocide against the Palestinians because of guilt.

[@hmgkt]

Overcompensating historical guilt.

[@Samaa-os7hx]

It's more they need to prove and demonstrate that which they are not.

[@camelopardalis84]

Overcompensating would be for them to genocide themselves so Germany can become a home land for Jews (and Sinti and Roma, and gay people, and mentally disabled people, and so on, let's not forget them). It would be horrific and wrong, but there would be logic to it. Helping genocide a different group of people isn't overcompensating for having genocided a group (several groups; see above) of people in any logical sense. Apart from being horrific and wrong.

[@DaleIsWigging]

this has nothing to do with guilt. this is just germany continuing to support their ww2 allies.

[@davidjacovelli5986]

Germany backs Israel because their Government signed them up to the IHRA and now their politico's are stuck. That's my view.

[@ENT756]

The IHRA definition and the adoption of its working definition plays a certain role in how Germany conflates anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism today. But the whole thing started much, much early when Jewish Zionists in what was then the British mandate of Palestine started to collaborate with Nazi Germany, in order to change the democraphics in Palestine, ideally shifting it towards a Jewish majority. In 1917 80% of the population in Palestine was Muslim, 10% Christian Palestine, and only 8% - 10% Jewish. So it started long before the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 and long before the adoption of the IHRA in1998.

[@Mydroid03]

Because Nazis support other Nazis

[@Samaa-os7hx]

Indeed. Zio/Nz same thing, and the moustache guy was both.

[@BlakeGeometrio]

Bingo!

[@maledettoartista9805]

And I guess terrorists support terrorists

[@Samaa-os7hx]

@@maledettoartista9805 yeah the IOF terrxxxxsts support their ISIS terrxxxxsts that they created.

[@TheBoussadra]

Vielen dank Hauno. Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar, das ist unser artikel 1 des Grundgesestzes

[@gkolivier8918]

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit... ehrenhafte Werte, die man allen Menschen wuenschen kann, auch denen in Gaza.

[@maledettoartista9805]

Ja und darum wurden die Demos verboten, da das Feiern von Terrorismus genau gegen diesen verstößt. Nachdenken hilft, wer Baklava verteilt und das töten von Menschen feiert, sollte sich vom Grundgesetz fern halten!

[@opreaveronica8613]

Shame on Germany , UK US and mainly on Israel.

[@RobinHerzig]

Oh Germany 😕 that ain't it

[@MomoBar91]

Like he said our government in germany is fighting anti- semitism, or what they at least perceive as such, with racism an discrimination and in some cases just blatant ignorance. Although I see a shift in our media in the last 2 weeks, but in more of the left wing media. The public is in most cases either ignorant to the whole topic or massivly uninformed about the last 75 years, the once that do know are for the most part people like me who care about the occupation for years. Our history lessons in school in regards to the jewish people end with the end of WWII and the Nuremberg trials, at least when I went to school. Our public funded TV stations, who were quite good before october on the issue, where you could often find documentories about the ocuppation and the human rights violations, are since then failing. They didn´t even bring in the evening news that Nicaragua brought a case against us in the ICJ.

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

Yes and even the biggest „left-wing“ press called taz, die Tageszeitung are openly supporting Israel and literally publishing IDF propaganda even after it’s been debunked as false, like the allegations of r@pe as a means of weapon. These are run by old-school editors in chief who identify as „anti-deutsche“ which means they unconditionally support Israel and silence Palestinians voices. It’s so delusional at this point to STILL push the condemn kkkkhamas narrative. But what can you expect of the typical bio deutsche. I just wish we would all protest more in Germany! This G side can’t go on

[@mudi2000a]

Also we should not forget that many Germans now also use “antisemitism “ to spread their anti Muslim hate propaganda.

[@bloodmoney12100]

Germany wanted to take a 180 degree turn from their Nazi identity but lost track, did a 360 turn and became one with the new Nazi identity

[@MeetYourBook]

WTF Germany calling Jewish " anti-Semitic". this is the world we live in now.

[@peegee2024]

Lots of Jewish artists and writers have been cancelled and even arrested for protesting or exercising pro-palestine views

[@Samaa-os7hx]

They mean antizionist (which is equal to antiNz). So, makes sense.

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

Yes they also de-funded cultural institution like Oyoun in Berlin for hosting debates over Gaza with members from Jewish Voice for peace. Imagine how the state acts on pro Palestinian protests. They kept arresting people for banners that read „as a Jew: stop the gen0side“. I saw people getting arrested for just looking middle-eastern. Every day there’s plenty of reports about alleged „anti-semitism“ but no one talks about people who get attacked or spat at in the subwAy and at protests for wearing a kuffiyah. It’s gotten a bit better the last month but it was at total rock bottom

[@ZoomOut-BiggerPictures]

''Germany'' does not support Israel, the current chancellor does.

[@rashafaqeh670]

And most of the current politicians

[@motab9981]

German loves being on the wrong side of history

[@iliketoast-q9b]

How so? German here, maybe you know something I don't...

[@ericp1139]

Germany never failing to be on the wrong side of history.

[@pixiedragon83]

nailed it...

[@burninghard]

Not true. Paris cliamte accord, Iraque war, Vietnam war, Iran deal, Brexit and much more. In contrast they are much more often on the right side than on the wrong side of history. This case though eclipses probably most of the good things.

[@iliketoast-q9b]

Goes to show how little you know about history.

[@ericp1139]

@@burninghard I think you know what I mean.

[@ericp1139]

@@iliketoast-q9b oh? Enlighten me.

[@adamjamal5611]

How can Germany be wrong both times.!!??

[@DaleIsWigging]

zionists were their allies. they both wanted jews out of europe. they arent wrong and trying to be right, they are just continuing their allyship

[@andile-mcn]

One of worst tragedies is that the people who actually need to hear things discussed on tmr don’t.

[@michaelfoley3777]

Why doesn't the Germans give the zionests, if they love them so much? Why?

[@GladysAlicea]

Recommend everyone watch Prof Nurit Peled-Elhanan's podcast on her book about Israeli Education on Palestine that's being taught in schools. She explains the Germany aspect as well as how Israelis view the Holocaust, affecting the way they're behaving now (macho attitude vs weak camp dwellers). Fascinating to hear her objective, factual views; she's Miko Peled's sister, who lost a daughter in the Fatah bombings.

[@jillgoldman447]

I work with a woman from Germany. I’ve tried to engage her in discussion about the Israeli genocide in Gaza. Her response is “ I’m German, and we don’t have a right to comment on Israeli behavior”. It must be ingrained in their psyche. But will the Israelis also adopt that stance toward the Palestinians someday? Somehow, I think not. So what does that say about the Israelis?

[@ahmeda.3198]

That’s an odd response, indeed, but like I guess it’s taboo for them to not support Israel.

[@seeibe]

Saying you don't have a right to comment on Israel while meanwhile your country with your taxpayer money is sending weapons to Israel which are used to kill children is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I say this as a German. Never in all my life was I so ashamed of my country as right now.

[@nessunodorme3888]

It's like others have said -- Germany purchases forgiveness for its treatment of the Jews, with its militant support for Zionism, which includes massive financial transfers. Israel is only to happy to oblige the Germans by selling them this modern day "indulgences" for obvious reasons. In the end they both play this game at the expense of the Palestinians. And, no, it's impossible to imagine Israel ever questioning, let alone regretting, the massive injustice and suffering they've inflicted on Palestine. But we should damn sure try to make that happen! Free Palestine!

[@Samaa-os7hx]

Did she ask you if you have read Ann frank? That's what Germans usually ask first, otherwise they won't be friends with you😂.

[@chickensoup9869]

So stupid. An action is bad not because of the identity of the perpetrator or the victim. An action remains bad even when the identities of the perpetrator and the victim change. Germans focus too much on the who part but not the act itself.

[@MissPwel]

"Historical shortcut" Very well put, with simple words

[@kassfischer5146]

What a stupid thing for Merkel to say!

[@richardhitchins6311]

Great guest Emma. Very enlightening

[@Hadef_11]

Appreciate the content you’re putting out!keep going

[@hurdygurdy1734]

Germany should've just stayed entirely out of it because they don't have the spine to stand up against injustice against an oppressed people. They wanted to be the strongest nation in the EU but turns out are actually just as weak.

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

This!!!

[@ChadOfAllChads]

Oh the Irony

[@tylerhackner9731]

Interesting convo

[@billhanna8838]

This whole horrendous killing going on by Israel makes one think a certain German gentleman might have definitely had a point on his attitude to this cult ?

[@Corndogg316]

Guilt, shame. Probably those two. It’s not a difficult concept to understand.

[@DaleIsWigging]

even simpler than that. zionists allied with ww2 germany. this is a continuation of allyships. if they truly felt guilt, they would give reparations to romanis and russians too

[@MaitreMoebius81]

Guter Mann, der Hanno! 👍

[@orooropaa1846]

Thank you for having Hanno Hauenstein onThe Majority Report channel

[@ahassancom]

Some also believe that the German politician didn’t want to miss the pleasure of another human suffering like the tanzanite, Nama, Hereo, Holocaust and now the Palestinian

[@aljalloh1]

It's in its Dna, first in Namabia, then its own country, now in Palestin. It has either committed or support genocide.

[@davidplane1462]

aww, looks like someone needs to do a little more research..

[@Heldarion]

"clapartheid" is such a dark joke, holy crap

[@Nonbd]

Germany has outsourced Redemption.

[@maledettoartista9805]

What kind of false journalism, hanno really? What kind of mouth piece are you? Get at least the easy facts right. The demonstration were forbidden due to terror support. If you celebrate the 7th of October and give out baclava to CELEBRATE, this ain't peaceful demonstrations

[@shroomrepublic]

So true, he makes his own facts as he goes

[@shroomrepublic]

it is so right and needed to silence hamas propaganda

[@PeaceForIsrael122]

Some demonstration were forbidden, bc there had been a lot of rioting, torching of cars and violent clashes with police during pro-hamas demonstrations in Berlin in October 2023. Peaceful demonstrations are allowed all over Germany.

[@stephendoherty981]

Germany. Always on the wrong side of history. Always.

[@burninghard]

Not true. Paris cliamte accord, Iraque war, Vietnam war, Iran deal, Brexit and much more. In contrast they are much more often on the right side than on the wrong side of history. This case though eclipses probably most of the good things.

[@stephendoherty981]

@@burninghard Namibia, Tanzania, WW1, WW2, Holocaust, Euro debacle, financial crash, austerity years, refugee crisis, Gaza....... to be continued.

[@burninghard]

@@stephendoherty981 Euro debacle? Financial crash? Austerity years? What are you even talking about. Nambia sure, WW1 debatable, WW2 sure, Holocaust sure, gaza sure but the rest is just nonsense. Especially the Euro debacle and refugee crisis made me laugh hard. If anything Germany was the one country in Europe to take in more refugees than all others. And the Euro up to this point has been a wild success. If you consider that to be on the wrong side of history I have a bridge to sell you.

[@lianecornils6603]

I’m not the type to leave a country like this in peace. I don’t believe the times call for peace.

[@timbookedtwo2375]

Meanwhile the German economy as a whole is tanking due to high energy prices. Households are struggling to pay for rents, energy and food. The Berlinale scandal is a diversion from these very real issues for Germans and diverts from finding the culprits who blew up the Nordstream Pipelines and holding them accountable.

[@photonquantum4863]

Germany always stands on the wrong side of history. It has become a tradition.

[@user3553-m9y]

Not sure it's just the guilt thing, looking at Germany's political class recent political and geopolitical démarches vis-à-vis Russia and others, one could suspect there is a presence of insidious neocon/neoliberal infiltration and indoctrination.

[@mohamedsalem6014]

Majority Report rocks

[@dakinayantv3245]

Germany doing a morality whitewashed.

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

It also has a lot to do with white supremacy. Here in Germany there’s so many rich people who only want to relate to white, financially well off people although they would never admit that. And you find a lot more of people who fit this in Israel than in Palestinians

[@maledettoartista9805]

I wish I had a simple mind like yours, must be amazing the vast emptiness between your ears

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

@@maledettoartista9805 I don’t understand

[@maledettoartista9805]

@@DRUNKBEATZ I know. Stupidity can be a gift, but best not to be shouted out loud

[@maledettoartista9805]

To start with it's an issue of white supremacy and then say Israelis are financially well off, gives a very deep look into your mind.

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

@@maledettoartista9805 I don't understand

[@lysbird]

It's just really hard to grapple with how so many ppl can misuse the label antisemitism and not see how so much of what I'd happening is going to do the opposite of protecting Jewish ppl let alone Palestinians. Whom are no less human than any other human. I guess if you're not looking at all this through a humanist lens first and foremost, then empathy becomes selective en mass.

[@rahmaabdijama7844]

Yes & the lowest is ignoring the fact that Palestinians / Arabs & Arameans are Semites too. The word was coined in Europe for anti Jews & shouldn't apply to Arabs or the Aramaic speaking ppl

[@thecedex]

My observation is that there seems to be a disconnect between the German Institutions and regular people in Germany on this issue. I live in Berlin and, while the government is firmly pro-Israel, my impression around the city and my neighborhood is that people are more on the side of Palestine. Do people living Germany have thst impression?

[@dalek604]

"Clap-partite" 😂

[@-bret]

The sound of one hand clapping

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Clapartheid? I might have heard it wrong.

[@SportsIncorporated]

I read the US didn't provide as much support as you think. That support was offered later on.

[@christopheklinger3217]

From one extremism to another

[@iliketoast-q9b]

Right, because Germany has been so extreme these last 75ish years. /s Please educate yourself, smh.

[@christopheklinger3217]

@@iliketoast-q9b Please educate yourself

[@iliketoast-q9b]

​@@christopheklinger3217 Wow, great retort there buddy. To suggest Germany's current government is extremist, is frankly ridiculous. The US and UK are, unfortunately, also strong supporters of Israel, so I guess that makes them extremists as well, right? I hope at least you're not comparing modern day Germany with the third Reich and what it did during the holocaust. I'm german btw, so dare I say I'm very well educated on the subject, unlike you.

[@christopheklinger3217]

@@iliketoast-q9b The US and the UK being extremist: evidently so ! they are supporting ethnic cleansing in the Gaza ghetto. Now, i am not saying that the government of Germany is extremist, (it’s more like the other way around), i am implying that the country, Germany, was not so long ago, extreme against the Israelis, and now they are extreme in supporting them. Germany should obviously not help Israel in any way when it comes to whats happening in Gaza like sending judges to invalidate the genocide case against Israel in LA HAYE, let’s not forget that Israel is a occupying nation, Palestine, belongs to the Palestinians. When it comes to to your superior education, my father was in the Luftwaffe in WW2, in Greece apparently, but not has a pilot, actually we never got to now what was is function. My family on the german side is issued from Oppeln, Silesia, went to Frankfurt am Main as refugees after the war. I live in France near Saarbrücken and i like Germany like the rest of Europe. That doesn’t prevent me from criticising.

[@terrancemanhoff-ly8zx]

They backed them then and now.

[@siminoof]

Germany' lost it's moral compass because of its never-ending guilt. IT decided to be on the wrong side of history once again. The Palestinian people are the victims of the victims.

[@trevaudio]

The problem is conflating all Jewish people with the state of Israel, which in itself is antisemitic

[@uwemai1925]

If all the facts are laid out on the table, palestine would be exposed as unreasonable and religiously blinded.

[@antoniom4099]

Germany is complicit in two genocides.

[@goliatdepalestein3898]

Only two? I think it's four now.😢

[@leonpaul9443]

3 Namibia there colony in southern africa

[@goliatdepalestein3898]

@@leonpaul9443 You are forgetting the Armenian genocide, they had a huge part in that one as well.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

what about the US and UK?...

[@goliatdepalestein3898]

@@andrewwalsh2755 The USA wiped out some 150 Indian tribes. The UK did sh*t in their Raj, Australia, Kenia etc.

[@andimayer1119]

Austria is the same, not see country back then and now.

[@davidplane1462]

Germany committed one of the greatest crimes in the history of the world..? Yeah, right..

[@veronicajade20]

Germany should pay European Jews reparations and move on. Germany excusing another genocide just b/c its perpetrators are European Jews is unacceptable.

[@darthmorbous]

I am German. I thought we stopped supporting Nazis, but there you go...

[@DennisNelson-ee2il]

Hmm,guilt may be.Thinking it'll atone for the past.

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

just wondering, does anyone know if Hanno prefers HauenstEEn or actually HauenstAYn, and just did not object to Emma? I was thinking as a german he'd tend to go with the latter, but it's possible the former is his preferred version and now I'm curious. Nevermind, he seems to be called both and just goes with it.

[@michaelfoley3777]

I thought that it was a democratic country?

[@Hermothersdaughter665]

After this, Germany would have transferred the Genocide torch.

[@levilandes1719]

Gee, I can't imagine why they'd be rabidly pro Israel. -_-

[@maledettoartista9805]

Maybe because of the horror caused by Hamas and the other offshoots of the Muslim brotherhood

[@levilandes1719]

@@maledettoartista9805 Not familiar with sarcastic or . . . . ?

[@Tychoxi]

never again was meant for _any_ genocide.

[@AsmaTauseef-t3v]

It's Germany, of course

[@mistym0rning]

I saw the title of the video, and before even clicking on it I thought “isn’t it obvious?” I’m German myself, and we do carry a lot of shame and collective guilt around the Holocaust still (which I think is fair). But unfortunately it’s led to this stupid notion that we should never criticize Israel lest we be seen as antisemitic again. 🤨

[@maledettoartista9805]

Great example of the failure of the educational system, to say obvious and then say something so unthoughtful like the " notion that we should never criticize Israel", don't take away their right of existence and don't have a biased standard towards Israel. You'll be fine

[@shroomrepublic]

the level of uneducation is shocking

[@derfret1365]

Something to note is that annual demonstrations in remembrance of the Nakba have been repeatedly forbidden in previous years, especially in the oh so progressive Berlin. So the denial of palestinean existence is nothing new in Germany, for the simple reason that it's a big inconvenience in the myth of jewish "independence"

[@PeaceForIsrael122]

The "palestinian people" was invented in the 1960ies by Nasser and the sowjets. "Nakba" translates "catastrophe" and refers to the arab league losing the war in 1948. If you wanne publicly celebrated the day that you lost the war, then i understand why the Germans think that is a silly idea.

[@derfret1365]

@@PeaceForIsrael122you do know that germans celebrate a day where they lost a war, right? are you a nazi?

[@hertswildlife]

Germany used to be a bit of a beacon in Europe...that's gone right down the shitter now.

[@maestoso47]

I get that Germany’s in a complicated position. There are many varying pressures at play.

[@hguner-iz9ku]

There is a lot of racism in Germany against people darker than themselves. The fast rise of the right wing extremist party AfD which now has 25% of the vote is extremely worrying! I know Germany very well and speak German fluently but as a Cypriot, I'd never live there because of the racism I experienced!

[@davidplane1462]

I know, White people wanting to defend themselves and their culture. Horrifying..

[@gabrielleann3932]

IMO Germany had a anti semantic past not an anti Zionist past.

[@Samaa-os7hx]

Well yeah, the moustache guy was a zio

[@konstantinkoch6114]

as a german im disgusted by the stance our politicians take, but its good to know that the statement of claudia roth was not by her .. must have missed that in the newspaper .. xD

[@Lynn-i2w]

Still not clear to me why? Guilt?

[@peegee2024]

It is pretend guilt. Like a disciplined child learning that saying sorry (though not necessarily feeling it). German guilt is very performative and not authentic

[@prof_milki6989]

@@peegee2024 Not sure. Some of it is clearly political/opportune charade. But any German ever having visited Auschwitz et al can easily accrue serious historic guilt. It's also noteworthy that W2/holocaust appraisal was handled quite differently in former east and west germany (education-wise) That being said, looking away in the face of genocide is generally not an indicator for lessons learned.

[@erikt1713]

We also came to like democracy and we admire what Israel built up in this once desolate part of the Ottoman Empire. Then there's the story of David and Goliath, the modern version, with all the Arabs attacking the young state, or when Israel knocked out the Egyptian air force before they could even take off. Most of all, we share their desire for peace. As a child in nursery we used to sing several songs about "shalom". We learned that Israel deserved peace after all those struggles. They beat the Arabs fair and square just like the allies had defeated us. It was now time to make peace. Alas, forty years on the so-called Palestinians still choose war.

[@staciasmith5162]

​@@erikt1713except that what you stated is built upon myth and not truth.100 years of war on Palestinians can no longer be hidden. We see who's doing what. Massacres were imperial land grabs that Zionists did and are still perpetrating. From 1881, when the Zionists decided Palestine and not Uganda was to be the Jewish state, the goal (see Herzel, Ben-Gurion, Meir, Begin, Netanyahu) has always been to take the lands of the Palestinians whilst transferring, removing them from it.

[@peegee2024]

@@erikt1713 Does it give you warm fuzzy feelings supporting an ethnocratic state pretending to be a democracy, and which imprisons children without due process and tries them in military prison? There are lots of Jews who are very traumatised by all of this being done in the name.

[@Tastybits995]

You have to understand the power that Axel Springer has in Germany, they basically have the same views on Israel/Palestine as the Likud party and guard Israel from criticism like watchdogs. What also didn't help Palestinians at all were the disgusting reactions of some people on October 7, who celebrated the slaughter, that shocked the public in Germany and made them support Israel even more.

[@wec66]

Germany then perpetrator supports the former victim at the genocide in Palestine Shame on Germany and Israel

[@waheedasonnie7825]

Is there an AIPAC version working in Germany?

[@ronancathor5388]

For historical responsibilities germany should push out its own population from their territory and create also another jewish state and also allow future settlements. Otherwise its antisemitic to not have the jews have more than one state.

[@davidka8345]

The sad thing is, the jews in the US live more savely than in Israel. You cannot live in peace, when you kill your neighbors...

[@steffen1405]

EV on MR is the best content on YT rn imho

[@ZayShinning]

My flatmate is german… she is not a bad person but she happens to be insensitive to the palestinian cause… I try to be bigger than this but I have a hard time seeing pass through this fact… I am nothing but nice obviously to her but someone who doesnt see humanity on my people and has not much empathy is just hard … thank for reading my venting 😂

[@carlomariaromano4320]

Show her clips from Owen Jones, Judge Napolitano, the Majority Report, breaking points, secular talk, and so on. If she is not completely heartless, she will reconsider her attitude and opinion.

[@edithputhy4948]

I'm German too and went from pro-Israel to pro-Palestinian, don't spare her feelings and give her all the smoke about the genocide, the apartheid, the war crimes, the deliberate blocking of humanitarian aid, food and water, the fake news about Oct 7th etc.

[@ZayShinning]

Thank you for the advice. ❤️

[@ryanforgo3500]

Emma, and majority report. you guys like seriously need to think critically here. why does germany support israel no matter what? guilt ? how about the fact that there are over 50 US military bases in germany. more than fking 50. and 35 thousend US troops. so you tell me, why does germany support israel to the same length as the US?

[@cosimawagner7831]

💯

[@staffy4389]

Germany is on the wrong side of humanity , AGAIN..

[@dennisabordo6043]

Why is the church so loudly silent?? There are 3 branches to the abrahamic faith. Why is the third branch in all this??

[@17_73]

Probaly historical collective guilt.

[@michaelfoley3777]

You simply must have Rabbi Yakov Shapiro on to get to the bottom of all your questions? Sincerely Michael Foley