Why Golden Era Bodybuilders Had Small Delts - Interview with Ken Waller

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Golden Era Bookworm

Golden Era Bookworm

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@NattyLifeYT
@NattyLifeYT Жыл бұрын
It's quite sad how bodybuilding traded aesthetics for mass. The modern delts have always looked out of proportion to me. Though I suppose as you said, with the amount of gear they blast and the disproportionate amount of receptors in the delts, the imbalance is probably somewhat inevitable.
@universalcrazy4889
@universalcrazy4889 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree. there's always something strange when I see most bodybuilders with disproportionate delts.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
@nattylife that's exactly why I call it the sweet spot. If anyone decides to use anabolic, then why surpass this level of development? Obtaining mass at all costs doesn't make any sense to me
@daxvax
@daxvax Жыл бұрын
i disagree somewhat. ARNOLD was a mass monster for his time. and his arms where freakishly huge. almost too big.
@robertarnold7187
@robertarnold7187 Жыл бұрын
Not sure about you, but I recall when I first started even in the 80's, flipping through magazines etc,,,,,I knew who was in the pics without even seeing their faces. You could identify certain guys just by their arms, legs etc,,,,Those days were great, and now, with a few exceptions, it's just genetic freaks with huge mass, but very difficult to identify without recognizing their face.
@fatt_yoshi5507
@fatt_yoshi5507 Жыл бұрын
bodybuilding was always about mass lol, even the golden era winners were always the biggest guys (Arnold, Sergio...) with the exception of frank zane who competed in a weaker era after arnold's depature from the sport. Guys werent as big cause insulin, GH and they simply werent eating as much food as now. Anabolics wise... lets not kid ourselves, some of these guys popped dbol like it was candy (Arnold). Their delts didnt look as big partly because when you dont lean down and dry out enough, your arms look puffy and that area between the medial delt and arm is blurred too. This reduces the "capped delts" look.
@theironforce3000
@theironforce3000 Жыл бұрын
Such a stunning observation - i have NEVER considered the delt size of the golden era to particularly 'stand out' . Not in terms of stating they are 'small'. I think the more prominent areas of their physique such as chest, tight waist, upper back , took more of the overall focus for me than to just isolate a single part such as delts .
@SnoopyReads
@SnoopyReads Жыл бұрын
They don't standout because they were aesthetically pleasing and equally proportioned unlike the freaks of today
@tomlucasrccrawlers9108
@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 Жыл бұрын
I disagree, Golden Era guys had perfect delts. Modern Pro's have over-developed delts, hamstrings, thighs, WAY too big glutes and under developed arms.
@NemeanLion-
@NemeanLion- Жыл бұрын
I think today’s bodybuilders number one overdeveloped body part is the inner thigh. It literally throws everything off, including making your quads look small.
@phoenixrisin2269
@phoenixrisin2269 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget weak backs and calves. Those take time and maturity
@ClassicTor
@ClassicTor Жыл бұрын
Agreed smaller delts looks waaay better
@GM-7777
@GM-7777 Жыл бұрын
@@phoenixrisin2269agree
@codywirth8190
@codywirth8190 Жыл бұрын
Right? That ugly hyperbolic, ogre shoulder look has killed BBING.
@dansmith9724
@dansmith9724 Жыл бұрын
Since the 90s, site enhancement injections have been common especially before shows. They will inject oil into lagging body parts or use substances that will inflame the area causing it to swell up. Its extremely common for them to do this in the side delts as this area is harder for many to build up. I think if you look at todays bbers, what many lack compared to golden age bbers are forearms. I think this is from relying on too many machines as well as straps on every exercise, so they miss out on all the grip work that builds thick strong forearms.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Truth on both...plus synthetic use sky rocketed...powered by oil 🛢 👌 😁
@will_rush2k
@will_rush2k Жыл бұрын
it's crazy how much forearms are overshadowed by upper arms. i have 16" arms so far but i also have 13.75" forearms and people tell me all the time "your arms are huge" it's all about the forearms baby💪
@chrisweidner4768
@chrisweidner4768 Жыл бұрын
That pic of Roelly. Deserved at least one Mr. Olympia.
@_JamesHowlett_
@_JamesHowlett_ Жыл бұрын
This, SEO is the answer.
@dansmith9724
@dansmith9724 Жыл бұрын
@Buldok88 I don't think its the right answer. They might get away with it a few times but eventually it looks obvious and looks ugly. They end up with no muscle definition/seperation in the body part they injected. In the end it's not Bodybuilding it's cosmetic surgery.
@harrydemkee3580
@harrydemkee3580 Жыл бұрын
Having lived through the golden era and present in the bodybuilding gyms of the times I can say we blasted delts just like any other body part. As Ken stated the standard was around 20 total set’s usually 4 different movements, that comes straight from Arnold’s own encyclopedia of bodybuilding . I agree, current bodybuilders are using more and different PED’s but as others have commented the use of site enhancing oils is very popular now and really are adding to the bulbous look of the delts in modern bodybuilders.
@emilpindur9400
@emilpindur9400 Жыл бұрын
This was such a good interview - well done Bookworm. The question at 4:24 was totally spot on. I've noticed as well that naturals like Joel Kellett don't have the massively capped shoulders. Just a really good aesthetic. Starting to think delt size/development is a key in seeing who is natty and who isn't.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Yes, this and other tell tale signs such as redness of the skin, excessive vascularity year round.
@astroman0500
@astroman0500 Жыл бұрын
Starting to think? Bruh, I've been into bodybuilding since I was like 12 years old, I'm currently 27, and I've known that massive and striated delts are a clear sign of steroids usage since like forever... This isn't news.
@emilpindur9400
@emilpindur9400 Жыл бұрын
@@astroman0500 Well done
@jonathanjimenez397
@jonathanjimenez397 Жыл бұрын
Joel kellet is not natural
@ryutenmen
@ryutenmen Жыл бұрын
Arnold for example had/has small bone structure in the shoulders. He also has the dropped shoulder type of physique(with relatively long neck and tall traps, totally opposed to Markus Ruhl with raised and wide shoulders, short neck and small traps. Very different from Arnold was Sergio Oliva with bigger shoulders and in between Arnold and Markus in terms of bone structure.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Yes, structure due to genetics is a great example of why this illusion played out
@EchoEcho-q4r
@EchoEcho-q4r Жыл бұрын
Serg the French dude had huge delts along with Franco
@s1ash1
@s1ash1 Жыл бұрын
@@EchoEcho-q4rafrican, not french
@odessafile75
@odessafile75 Жыл бұрын
​@s1ash1 He was born and raised in Guadalupe and moved to France. He was a French citizen and spoke French. Yes, obviously, he was black, and his ancestors came from the continent of Africa but he still was French.
@s1ash1
@s1ash1 Жыл бұрын
@@odessafile75 he’s not french. if you believe he is french you also support the replacement of europeans
@stevenroberts5741
@stevenroberts5741 Жыл бұрын
Another point is that since 1970 the human population has doubled and bodybuilding has become mainstream. To this end there is a much bigger genetic pool and also more people being exposed to bodybuilding, thus we will also see more people with high genetic potential coming through.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Love these points of discussion 👏
@Danny-uz9zb
@Danny-uz9zb Жыл бұрын
Total nonsense. Better gene pool?? Is that how you explain why bodybuilders have acquired ripped glutes and delts as smooth as a baby's ass in the rear double biceps pose??😂 Today's massive delts are the result of Synthol and site-enhancemant oils. It's that simple. You never wondered how Hadi has a ripped six pack, striated chest and quads, yet shapeless blobs for delts that are particularly noticeable in poses such as the front relaxed and rear double biceps?? You fanboys kill me with your excuses.
@majungasaurusaaaa
@majungasaurusaaaa Жыл бұрын
Bodybuilding is far less mainstream now than it used to be. Most people would be disgusted by modern men's open physiques. But lifting in general is more mainstream.
@alexchaisson2740
@alexchaisson2740 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive and respectable comment
@nedkelly2035
@nedkelly2035 8 ай бұрын
True in general, but also big prize money gets anyone with potential to stay in the game and do whatever is needed to win. 1st Olympia only paid $1000., and it was a couple of decades after that before the numbers started getting big. When a guy may win $250K in the O, and some pretty good money all the way down to 5th, lots of incentive to train and take risks.
@Ease54
@Ease54 Жыл бұрын
An old time axiom was that "there's no such thing as over developed shoulders". I recall reading that Steve Reeves mused about someday doing nothing BUT shoulder exercises.
@ibberman
@ibberman Жыл бұрын
He would have looked ridiculous with delts like todays bodybuilders.
@nikh7270
@nikh7270 Жыл бұрын
I would say the illusion of smaller delts during the golden era is because when people think golden era they think Arnold (and fairly so since he pretty much set the standard for the era). While Arnold might not have had particularly small delts in general, his chest and arms were so massive that they ridicously overpowered his delts.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Yes...I think Arnold is the perfect example. Influencing factors being his genetics and androgen receptor distribution, which may have been unusually high in chest and arms, his over emphasis in training chest and arms and gear use
@Npc1488-wc1kf
@Npc1488-wc1kf Жыл бұрын
Arnolds delts 'hang', so do mine. He mentioned this is interviews Ive read Compare delts from someone like Seth Feroce and youll see genetically, some peoples delts are higher up and some peoples delts kind of hang
@lionheart5078
@lionheart5078 Жыл бұрын
lol arnold has sloping delta, his delts were massive and fit his body really well. Guys today have over developed delts from the massive fear they are taking. They get a look like the rock and it looks awful.
@Arrogan28
@Arrogan28 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely without question, today's delts are too big. What bothers me is it makes this ugly proportion to their upper bodies, where their delts are literally bigger than their biceps, so you get this triangle shape going on with their arms. Where with the Golden Era you get this really aesthetically ideal small big small big going on whether you start from the hand going up, or from the shoulder going down. It's like you want that because it then emphasizes what we as humans notice, the chest, the biceps, and the forearms. By not having giant delts it makes the chest and biceps seem bigger, where the new look just feels like fat bellies, and giant delts and tiny forearms.. and this odd triangle shape to their arms starting from their enormous delts going down, it looks terrible. Here is to me the clincher. Take someone who is absolutely fit at a natural athletic sport or training. ie take someone who does parkour, or someone doing martial arts, and doing this constantly and compare and you can see their delts are smaller than their biceps. And even gymnasts who hang on the bloody rings, if you look at a gymnast, same thing, they have what looks like a scaled down version of Arnold's build. Nice delts, but their biceps(and even triceps) are always significantly bigger, so you get that nice emphasis on the chest sticking out, and the bicep emphasized aesthetically feeling natural to the eye. And again that small, big, small big, small(hand - forearm - elbow - bicep/tricep - delt) No matter which way your eye goes over it. Todays builders have these insane bellies as well because they are taking gear that cause everything to get bigger, and so there isn't any muscle(including their hearts) that doesnt' get overdeveloped even with light training of it), so they have no choice but to pretend that this is the preferred asthetic, when any woman off the street will 99.999% of the time will say they prefer Arnold, and golden era body building bodies over modern body builders... I feel for them because it isn't easy to try to get bigger than Arnold and try to say they have surpassed him, without facing a much harder time keeping that aesthetically pleasing look, that again is what works for your gymnast, martial arts, etc body... But this denial of what I think the general public has been saying, even Arnold's critic of the too big of belly, i think it's time for someone to come only and reset this bad direction modern body building has been going for decades now...
@adtjtjdjsj
@adtjtjdjsj 7 ай бұрын
​@@Arrogan28True, noticed that too. Delts that are too big let the bicep look smaller
@wade1419
@wade1419 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is the kind of gear they take. Not just the amount. Capped shoulders started showing up out of the blue in the mid-90s on the pro level with popularity of local enhancement. Today, most influencers have capped shoulders. A teenager with 6 months training experience, has capped shoulders. And so do Cross Fit girls, movie stars and everyone between them. Even my neighbor's Pitbull has them. So, yeah. It is definitely the kind of gear they're taking.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Neighbours pitbull..lol
@schmui
@schmui Жыл бұрын
My dog has trout shoulders but I love her anyway 😂
@wade1419
@wade1419 Жыл бұрын
@@schmui And I love her too 😀
@eustacebagge3869
@eustacebagge3869 Жыл бұрын
I think that it has to do with people taking shoulder development very seriously nowadays. There is the meme "spamming laterals" where they really emphasize the side delts from all angles with dumbbells, cables and machines. That makes a huge difference Imo. I like the big shoulders (on naturals) because it emphasizes masculinity to me, the shoulders and back are very masculine bodyparts and anyone that genuinely does weightlifting (not bodybuilding) has big shoulders. They are worked much more than muscles like chest even in athletic endeavours, like martial arts or even sprinting.
@MarkVrem
@MarkVrem Жыл бұрын
During the beginning of this discussion, I actually thought he was referring to like oils and stuff. Maybe today guys will inject oils into deltoids. But you guys focused on gear for the rest of the video.
@WithBACON
@WithBACON Жыл бұрын
Deltoids in particular are a target for "site enhancement" substances like Synthrol that did not exist in the Golden Era. I believe site enhancement (injecting oil or silicone or other fillers into a muscle to make it appear larger) was not practiced until the 1990s (Flex Wheeler was one of its pioneers).
@phoenixrisin2269
@phoenixrisin2269 Жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with that. The most steroid receptors are in the shoulders. More and stronger drugs, bigger shoulders
@WithBACON
@WithBACON Жыл бұрын
@@phoenixrisin2269 All of the anabolic steroids popular today were around in the 1970s-1980s and were pharmaceutical grade. While average dosages are certainly higher now, even back then there were bodybuilders taking multiple grams/week. Site injections have made quite a difference in certain muscle groups in the past three decades; obviously in terms of total muscle mass seen onstage the biggest changes since the golden era are due to the combo of HGH and insulin plus the tendency to stay on-cycle year-round.
@hotchowder
@hotchowder Жыл бұрын
@@phoenixrisin2269 Correct.
@tdane5017
@tdane5017 Жыл бұрын
@@phoenixrisin2269Rami , Hadi, abd cbum to name just a few absolutely inject their shoulders and it does have some carry over. Rami and Hadi look ridiculous.
@Npc1488-wc1kf
@Npc1488-wc1kf Жыл бұрын
I just target the delts with Humiston and Cavialieri's advice and skip the needles altogether
@fabinator420
@fabinator420 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I think what gives the look of that capped delt aside from a shit ton of gear is the development of the rear delt. It seems like back then only a few bodybuilders had that capped deltoid look for example Franco Colombo. I feel like shoulder training back then really emphasized the front and side delts and not so much the rear hence why their shoulders looked underdeveloped compared to the rest of their physique
@unbabunga229
@unbabunga229 Жыл бұрын
Hard to know for sure but Arny seemed to train his rear delts a lot. In fact, it was through him I found the best rear delt exercise I've ever tried
@Dakradom
@Dakradom Жыл бұрын
​@unbabunga229 which is?
@unbabunga229
@unbabunga229 Жыл бұрын
@@Dakradom Powell raise! Go light. Start on 1/2kg and work your way up! And do plenty of warm sets each time to feel your rear delt and make sure it's doing the work! If you're like me anyway, who struggles to feel their rear delt working on exercises
@Dakradom
@Dakradom Жыл бұрын
@@unbabunga229 thank you!
@MrJudo2go
@MrJudo2go Жыл бұрын
Very interesting subject and video. I have trained with or witnessed a few Mr. Olympia and Mr. Universe contestants and a couple of winners from the 70's and there was no shortage of hard work being done. The strength and weights being used by some of these guys was extreme. It's a wonder that all of them don't have shoulder problems from doing those seated behind the neck presses. I've read some articles that place the trap and delt growth on not just larger amounts of steroids but certain steroids that weren't the main drugs used in the 70's, like equipoise.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is exactly 💯 true. That is one of the points I made, without going into too much detail
@majungasaurusaaaa
@majungasaurusaaaa Жыл бұрын
If you have normal mobility, btn presses should never give problems. But most sedentary people are so deformed that normally safe movements could hurt them.
@johnathonlivingston7573
@johnathonlivingston7573 Жыл бұрын
Androgen receptors are disproportionately more abundant in delta and traps compared to the rest of the body. Bodybuilders today blast multiples more gear than the golden era guys and that’s why their traps and delta look like that. Plus synthol in many cases.
@johndrake3472
@johndrake3472 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@marcovarela6702
@marcovarela6702 Жыл бұрын
💯% agreed
@Hittdogg17
@Hittdogg17 Жыл бұрын
Nope
@Hittdogg17
@Hittdogg17 Жыл бұрын
Those same receptors are abundant in upper back and pecs as well. It’s about training
@starscream512
@starscream512 Жыл бұрын
Source for the claim about androgen receptors?
@biztranfsbo
@biztranfsbo Жыл бұрын
They had small delts because the rear delt was not an emphasis back then for one. They basically did endless lateral raises and front raises. They didn't train traps a whole lot either. So they were really missing that 3D delt look bc they basically only trained two parts of the delt with very little traps training. Personally, I like the older look. Id rather see a slim waist and smaller shoulders than a block waisted bubble gut and 3D delts.
@biztranfsbo
@biztranfsbo Жыл бұрын
@@Stanly-Stud Your momma
@snowiblind
@snowiblind 8 ай бұрын
@@biztranfsbo thanks
@arthuronyejekwe2146
@arthuronyejekwe2146 3 ай бұрын
A
@476429
@476429 9 ай бұрын
You touched on one factor that plays a role. Bodybuilding exploded in popularity in the 1980s and became much more mainstream. With Arnold in the movies, more people were exposed to it and more likely to get involved. With more people getting involved, the quality of the genetic pool in bodybuilding got better. More popularity brings in more people raising the quality of the genetic pool in the sport. That could be a contributing factor to the high quality of bodybuilders witnessed in the 1990s and beyond. The best genetics rise to the top and part of those genetics are anabolic/androgenic response. So more people with better genetics get involved, and they're taking different and more gear. The combination of those two factors could account for the change in shoulder development. Then, once those genetically gifted people display incredible shoulders, others go after the look in unnatural ways (implants, synthol, etc.) and it begins to look as if everyone who trains shoulders automatically gets amazing-looking shoulders. I came to this understanding in a conversation with Dr. Stone at lunch one day. When asked why Europe had so many high quality Olympic weightlifters compared to the U.S., he said, "Because our great Olympic weightlifters are playing football instead." [American football.] He went on to explain that in the U.S., the same people with genetic talents for Olympic weightlifting can use those talents in a more popular sport to potentially make more money. Therefore, the genetic pool that enters Olympic weightlifting in the U.S. is smaller. The people with the best genetics for Olympic weightlifting in Europe don't have American football competing for their attention.
@Jhg812
@Jhg812 Жыл бұрын
Keep these videos coming! This is such an informative series.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@bradreid6057
@bradreid6057 Жыл бұрын
Pretty solid review. One rule that will never change is "one can NEVER overdevelop the deltoids." Just in general since Steve Reeves, what has gone on to be timeless is the bodybuilder trifecta: broad shoulder carriage (a big chest box, too) to hang a lot of meat on, a vespine (wasp-like) waist, and shapely naturally muscular calves. If you look at early influencers, say Vince Gironda, you'll see all of his disciples tried to enhance their appearance, to appear much larger than they really were by stressing these points in their training. Arnold S. would be a classic example of a kid who hit 250 lbs very early on but then began sculpting himself with a special emphasis on his calves. He looked larger when he was lighter. And, Arnold is NOT particularly naturally broad shouldered say like Don Howorth, Dennis Tinerino or Pete Grymkowski were. ***Just a personal observation that at least some of the current best bodybuilders seem to be really enhanced by all of the modern "gear" as you call it. Some of these contemporary guys looked rather normal pre-bodybuilding but they really are genetic outliers in their response to drugs. Often, the old timers were already sort of naturally muscular before they began training. Sandow and Grimek are good examples of this. So, would be the late actor, Charles Bronson, a natural mesomorph.
@leepretorius4869
@leepretorius4869 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic response, much appreciated.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Excellent points. Thank you for your thoughts
@billkeyes4707
@billkeyes4707 Жыл бұрын
@@GoldenEraBookwormDo you include synthol under the category of ‘gear’? Appears to be a regular product these last few years and used by almost everyone. No longer limited to a handful of misguided individuals.
@RedPillVegan
@RedPillVegan Жыл бұрын
i subscribed because i like the topic of the the channel! thanks for covering the old school golden era
@DigitalNomad765
@DigitalNomad765 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the post 😊😊
@universalcrazy4889
@universalcrazy4889 Жыл бұрын
a great question with a great answer. Can't wait to see the next video were you interview Arnold.
@markoveral1149
@markoveral1149 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos Your the man Look forward to every single video Always honest always entertaining Love you your the bomb
@belok177
@belok177 Жыл бұрын
When someone starts taking gear, the first thing noticed is that shoulders become wider, more round and full almost immediately. That's a pretty weird suggestion that they "intentionally neglected shoulder training to not have them big". Not a single bodybuilder would want some bodypart to NOT to grow. And BTW, delts actually were not small, they just had enormous chests and arms so delts looked relatively smaller. Just the idea of perfect body was different back then and in their opinion 50 years ago their delts were not "small" but perfectly sized
@jumbothompson
@jumbothompson Жыл бұрын
And the traps grow too. That's something naturals almost never achieve. They can't grow side delts or big traps.
@wyattb6066
@wyattb6066 Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t work exactly like that, when you first start it takes multiple weeks to actually start feeling juiced. You’re physique as a whole will have a much more full, round appearance. Not just the deltoids. Also, alot of bodybuilders today pin their delts wayyy to much and makes them look goofy.
@wyattb6066
@wyattb6066 Жыл бұрын
*Your
@gregpettis1113
@gregpettis1113 Жыл бұрын
They avoided big traps intentionally
@Isaiah-ft5nx
@Isaiah-ft5nx Жыл бұрын
Had a buddy that took a short cycle when we were out to sea for 10.5 months. His delts and traps exploded. He didn’t change his training or his diet. They shrank back down afterwards, but it had me low key jealous even though I knew it wasn’t permanent. He may have kept a small percentage of it, but not enough to justify the cycle.
@charlo8664
@charlo8664 Жыл бұрын
Golden Era of Bodybuilding with the slim waist and tapered look are the best physics. Starting with Dorian Yates it went down hill. Yates black and white photos of himself at his peak, were mind blowing.
@stephanM5
@stephanM5 Жыл бұрын
Golden era bodybuilders' physiques are much more pleasing than the freaks we see today.
@AnabolicCoachMR
@AnabolicCoachMR Жыл бұрын
Because that didn’t train properly, especially Arnold didn’t know how to do shoulders, especially with rear delt, he used to lie down in the bench, going against gravity, ruin the rotator cup without getting any engagement with the muscle?
@leespencer8990
@leespencer8990 Жыл бұрын
My personal opinion might be the fact that the delts didn’t get a chance to grow due to the amount of frequency that the delts were being used….delts back then were being used 4-6 times a week…
@harrydemkee3580
@harrydemkee3580 Жыл бұрын
This is actually a good point and I’m a life long bodybuilder so when you define the word “use” yes delts get activated in both push and pull workouts ie when working out lats it’s not intended to be a delt day. This issue still exists to this day. Some pros are blessed with genetics and taking great gear they can hit body parts just once a week and reduce delt involvement but for me using a 6 day routine i hit each body part twice a week and delts do get activated 4 times just to a lessor extent on pull days. There is just no way around it for some of us
@5446moto
@5446moto Жыл бұрын
While I agree with theory about increased androgen receptor density in shoulders and traps I genuinely also believe there is a training method here being highly overlooked. Watch this video or any video from bodybuilding previous eras the OHP (considered the most closely approximated “compound” movement back then was performed with FULL range of movement, ie they were lowering the bar into the weakest area for the shoulder. This full range of movement pattern does not allow to load the shoulder with nearly as much weight (resistance) as half repping a much larger weight. Don’t believe me go look at how anyone with really big shoulders they are doing some shoulder exercises with a much reduced range but loaded with substantially more load. I’m not saying this applies to everyone obviously but as a general rule bodybuilders that really look the part and have been at it a while tend to load much heavier and reduce range of motion. Agree with note that Zane’s shoulders were not lacking even by todays standards.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the full press trains the triceps as much as the deltoids with full ROM motions
@joshuatucker2521
@joshuatucker2521 Жыл бұрын
This has been answered many times by several body builders. This guy sounds like he's almost trying to claim they were natural or close to it. The greats from the Golden era weren't taking any less steroids and were taking many of the same compounds that are used today. The most truthful answer to this question is simply that the aesthetic of the time was more focused on having large arms and having massive delts detracts from the biceps in a back double pose. The training is similar yes, but there isna lot more emphasis on delts now. I don't believe for one second that it has to do with using less steroids. Especially considering this is the first guy I have heard saying it's anything other than aesthetics.
@Ryan83728
@Ryan83728 Жыл бұрын
yeah its definately a boomer mentality
@argocomics
@argocomics Жыл бұрын
As a couple guys here already mentioned, there’s more receptors for modern gear in the traps and shoulders. Occasionally you’ll see a guy at a gym with those two body parts disproportionately ahead of their physique showing their efforts and commitment are not equal to their drug usage.
@DH-zp7bc
@DH-zp7bc Жыл бұрын
I agree there's guys in the gym now that are just delts and traps. Hideous.
@majicogarcia8417
@majicogarcia8417 Жыл бұрын
Yea bullshit. Its Synthol. Not more receptors for modern gear.
@andrewwelch1040
@andrewwelch1040 Жыл бұрын
@@majicogarcia8417 True.
@GoldenEraBookworm
@GoldenEraBookworm Жыл бұрын
@argocomics I agree 100% when the drugs surpass hard work, this modern Freak look becomes apparent
@lewisfruen5648
@lewisfruen5648 Жыл бұрын
Guys it's both, they're literally puttin tren in the shoulders, those who lack shoulder genetics, or have injuries more likely to use site injection like synthol there, or wherever they lack
@hjeb1986
@hjeb1986 Жыл бұрын
The golden era didn’t have small deltoids, those are small muscles, they were the right size according to the physique, now they are just way too big, even bigger than flutes sometimes
@igor4246
@igor4246 Жыл бұрын
I kind of disagree with the "over developed" term. The amount of gear might justify bigger shoulders, but it doesn't mean they look bad. 92-97 Kevin Levrone had big shoulders and he looked amazing.
@kingsize1182
@kingsize1182 Жыл бұрын
DAMMMMN, Ken is a REAL OG; LEGEND. This interview has me grown on this LEGEND. Like I stated before in a previous video, that man facial expressions use to make me feel a negative way 😂😂😂, but I always noticed in Pumping Iron and the mags he had a very STRONG camaraderie with his gym buddies (white, asian, or black). He seemed to me that he's very cognizant of who crosses his personal space but once he lets you in, he'd go to war with you. Great podcast, Carlos, you're a bad MOFO lol.
@charlotte3201
@charlotte3201 Жыл бұрын
I think the explanation is pretty simple. 1. Changes in gear usage 2. Better training (relying mkore on cables and machines which provide tension through the whole movement and a better contraction compared to free weights) 3. Simply more emphasis on delt training, with many people having a specific shoulder day or at least focusing heavily on the delts
@bhu3050
@bhu3050 Жыл бұрын
No. It’s no 3. Shoulders r a small body part that get hit on many other exercises so they trained them hard but kept them aesthetic. It was not given its own day as u correctly stated. It was usually trained b4 legs sedated press, side laterals , bent over laterals 3-5 sets each. This served to warm up the delts for squatting as delts take massive load during the barbell squat. A lot of people don’t realize that. U can tear or injure your shoulder performing a heavy squat. Ask a power lifter. The anabolic’s were of a superior standard and use was heavy but nothing like today. It was available over the counter at the pharmacy not ug. Intelligent use of anabolic’s , training , diet and an eye for aesthetics was key. This is y classic physique has become so popular. The super man v taper is appealing to the average person. The overdeveloped mass monsters is aesthetically grotesque.
@charlotte3201
@charlotte3201 Жыл бұрын
@@bhu3050 The delts are far the biggest muscle in the upper body in terms of total volume. Not a small muscle at all. Also inteligent use of anobolics? The way we understand gear use is massively different today and far superior.
@bhu3050
@bhu3050 Жыл бұрын
@@charlotte3201 No. and if u don’t even know that delts r a small muscle group that is overworked by it’s very nature and that all anabolic’s were well understood and legally available over the counter at the pharmacy being of a much higher potency then u have no clue. Reg Parks was my fathers training partner. I know a little bit about it.
@charlotte3201
@charlotte3201 Жыл бұрын
@@bhu3050 muscle imaging studies show clearly the delts are the biggest upper body muscle group, and by a wide margin. Also the potency of the anobolics they used is irrelevent. The knowlege and compound selection we have today massively outweighs what they had in the 70's
@bhu3050
@bhu3050 Жыл бұрын
@@charlotte3201 delts r a small muscle group so no amt of bs’ng can change that. The fact that u don’t know this shows u have zero clue and very little actual experience. Look it up. Small muscle group. Overworked muscle group. That’s y most people have shoulder issues. Anabolic’s have remained relatively unchanged , usage has increased and knowledge have declined as is indicated by the loss of aesthetics. Bodybuilding like powerlifting , motor bike racing and just about every sport and endeavor has in the last few decades lost its way. I told u it was no 3 of wht u said and gave u the reasons. Arguing with a state and national champion and current ifp and iffbb international judge who owned one of they top competitive gymnasiums of the era that had all the top names come thru on the circuit from Pearl to Arnold , Zane , Draper , Platz , Kazmaier and countless others and is still training top athletes today is asinine. Go to our mirror and look at your body and if your shoulders r a large muscle group get over to a university hospital and they can sturdy u as a new species because you’re unlike every human in or has ever been in existence.
@thehyborian
@thehyborian Жыл бұрын
I dont think it is an illusion. They haven't reached full potential of shoulder mass no matter what we think is or isn't aesthetic
@mmaterminator
@mmaterminator Жыл бұрын
The secret of large deltoid muscles in modern bodybuilders is synthol. There was no synthol in the Golden Era.
@MaxPower-zl1lc
@MaxPower-zl1lc Жыл бұрын
🎯
@eduardobatista329
@eduardobatista329 Жыл бұрын
Well I disagree with synthol being the reason why shoulders are.bigger now, we all know who uses synthol, the hard workers and gifted have grea shoulders, synthol is for those that can't do the hard workouts, then they cheat, but it.doesnt look natural, at times has pointy areas😅
@Jzav73
@Jzav73 Жыл бұрын
Training science has advanced. Golden era trained harder (over trained like a m’fer). The more mass, the less frequency and duration should be approached. Ped’s aside, yes, ped science is far more advanced as well but golden era believed more is better, at a certain point more is overtraining and hinders growth. You grow in a state of rest. They probably could have been bigger in the golden era knowing this.
@trashbasementproductions223
@trashbasementproductions223 Жыл бұрын
Not only because of stuff of the modern guys use but today they focus much more on delts than in the 70´s (obsessed on biceps and chest), the 80´s guys have a better delts and a better proportion than the 70´s guys.
@taylorwelch9209
@taylorwelch9209 Жыл бұрын
great vid, and i liked the analysis at the end
@QueensNativeNYC
@QueensNativeNYC Жыл бұрын
I always thought Arnold's Delts were slightly lacking.. The thickness in his chest and arms were overpowering his delts.. The size of his chest and arms made his delts look smothered in behind the rest of the muscles, this was really apparent early in his career when he was just all pecs and biceps .. If you look at Arnold's physique in 1980 his delts actually tend to look more pronounced, maybe because his chest and arms had thinned out some..
@renxu9
@renxu9 Жыл бұрын
Small felts looked good coupled with symmetry. Modern day shoulders are unbecoming.
@biztranfsbo
@biztranfsbo Жыл бұрын
I read somewhere, seemed to be a legit source at that time, IDK, but I read that Tren had an affinity to bind to the androgen receptors in the deltoids more than anywhere else in the body. I remember in the late 80's guys talking in the gym about melting down these "cow pellets" and it was apparently the first kind of Tren being used at that time. That was1988-1989. I had a buddy taking it. He would melt it down using a bunsen burner and some lab supplies he stole from a college lab. He said "it's just basic chemistry and free-basing basically" lol. He had big jacked delts too.
@biztranfsbo
@biztranfsbo Жыл бұрын
@@Stanly-Stud Yo momma love me
@dasglasperlenspiel10
@dasglasperlenspiel10 Жыл бұрын
tExcellent video as always. Thank you!
@DJCHURKLE
@DJCHURKLE Жыл бұрын
Surprised not to hear SEOs brought up specifically. So many guys have Jimmied up and watery delts these days.
@rickyt5179
@rickyt5179 Жыл бұрын
My shoulders are a bit underdeveloped. I didn’t really work them out compared to my biceps and triceps. But honestly, my biceps and triceps look bigger for now until I develop my delts more. I learned for me that I need high reps for a nice pump on my delts. And also i personally think overdeveloped delts take away from how great the triceps can look but for a front double bicep pose, the shoulders can really make the biceps pop.
@mikthe2004
@mikthe2004 Жыл бұрын
I've never considered Golden Era bodybuilders to have small delts!! But I can see your point.
@gregoriomiller8241
@gregoriomiller8241 Жыл бұрын
This was very interesting as always
@johnprink6293
@johnprink6293 5 ай бұрын
Well done, Sir!
@jolenedubois5043
@jolenedubois5043 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos and your channel, thank you for doing what you do :)
@davidward5225
@davidward5225 Жыл бұрын
Today, the shoulders often dwarf the chest, which looks all wrong to me.
@williamdrijver4141
@williamdrijver4141 Жыл бұрын
Rick Wayne is a bit underrated imo, he had a Shawn Ray quality level.
@Richard-xg1vv
@Richard-xg1vv Жыл бұрын
Another interesting video, I'm wondering not only the 'gear' they are using now but do you think that 'site injection oils' ie synthol have anything to do with that look the shoulders have now with modern day bodybuilders ?
@NemeanLion-
@NemeanLion- Жыл бұрын
100%. The photos of Big Ramy and Winklaar had oil for days.
@fritztheman749
@fritztheman749 Жыл бұрын
As a former natural bodybuilder, I would say the biggest inspiration for people I have known as been Frank Zane. I find it interesting that people think that Swartsneg is somewhat of a Golden Boy. In my humble opinion, aesthetically he looks like a bloated troglodyte.
@MrDominicharrison
@MrDominicharrison Жыл бұрын
Arnold did not have a ‘tiny waist’ the opposite in fact he was criticised for having ‘boxy’ hips
@ВасилийБелкин-ь1ь
@ВасилийБелкин-ь1ь Жыл бұрын
Above all, you need to forget about such exercises as the press from behind the head, which was the main exercise for the shoulders.
@NeilBraebaum-zq2pv
@NeilBraebaum-zq2pv Жыл бұрын
From the early 90s onwards you've also got to consider the prevalent use of SEOs, especially in the shoulders and arms. In my opinion that's the biggest significant difference between golden era shoulder development, and that in more contemporary bodybuilders from the 90s onwards. Many, many pros use SEOs, it's not all the idiots we see on social media videos with huge swelled up muscle areas filled with oil. Look at the shoulder and arm areas of a lot of huge bodybuilders in contemporary times. Their delts and upper arms always look pumped / semi-flexed, they never appear completely relaxed - compare that with the appearance of musculature in golden era bodybuilders. Any time a muscle looks like it can't properly be relaxed and always looks pumped / semi-flexed and that's because there's something in there.
@eqn4180
@eqn4180 Жыл бұрын
It isnt the general delt size, that is ok in relation with total size, it is the posterior delt size, that was relative small. And the photo in the miniature appears confirms this, because the chosen pose of the photo allows to see well this lack of size compared with triceps. Nowadays rounded posterior delts are common, but not so common 4 or more decades ago.
@MrAmericaHeart
@MrAmericaHeart Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I believe the Golden Era Bodybuilders, as Ken Waller just told us, trained their delts as much as any other bodypart (he actually said 20 sets for delts alone!) I contend that between the 20 sets they did for chest, 20 for back, plus using compound triceps moves like Dips and Close Grip Benches (again, for 20 sets), all combined to grossly overtrain their delts...they never reaped the benefit of all that hard delt work and were likely better off training them with just a few sets.
@pottacoola
@pottacoola Жыл бұрын
When i started training in a gym after training from home everyone said i had big shoulders but i never trained shoulders as i never had the equipment at home or knew many exercises for them and as i got bigger from training in the gym my shoulders was the main thing everyone talked about i didnt know why because is still didnt train them much. I know roelly winklaar was told by his trainer to stop training shoulders when he became a pro as his was out of proportion too.
@ArrowRozz
@ArrowRozz Жыл бұрын
If you delete Arnold's chest and Platz's quads from the equation, I will say all the body parts on modern body builders are bigger today. Equipment today can stimulate more muscle growth combined with the use of the newest drug combinations being used. I do feel like pros train less now than they did but we have learned a lot in the last 40 to 50 years. Two hours in the morning and two hours at night is not needed anymore.
@kiuk_kiks
@kiuk_kiks Жыл бұрын
The person who ushered in the era of massive deltoids is none other than Kevin Levrone. Before Kevin in 1991, everyone had underdeveloped deltoids, then he came with them and from then henceforth, big delts became the norm. Even the previous Mr. O, Lee Haney, had small delts. A perfect example of a similar situation is Tom Platz. Before him, bodybuilders had underdeveloped legs, he brought in the biggest legs and set the precedent. Another precedent/ example is shredded glutes, Rich Gaspari being the very first man to display them. Before him, they all covered up their bums and had soggy underdeveloped glutes.
@tommypizzo1677
@tommypizzo1677 Жыл бұрын
No way. Long before Levrone, there was Gary Strydom. He brought in the larger shoulder look and to this day arguably had the best delts ever.
@kiuk_kiks
@kiuk_kiks Жыл бұрын
@@tommypizzo1677 Gary Strydom can’t compete with anyone in the 90s and over when it comes to delts much less Kevin Levrone. Stop being a fanboy.
@tommypizzo1677
@tommypizzo1677 Жыл бұрын
@kikuyukiiru5666 tell me you're too young to even know who Gary Strydom is without telling me. I mean after all, Strydom is from the 90s. So what you said makes no sense. Plus he is known for his delts the way Tom Platz is known for his thighs. You make no sense man.
@kiuk_kiks
@kiuk_kiks Жыл бұрын
@@tommypizzo1677 He didn’t even place in the 90s anyway. He’s not comparable to Paul Dillet much less Kevin Levrone. Stop fanboying.
@tommypizzo1677
@tommypizzo1677 Жыл бұрын
@@kiuk_kiks he didn't place in the 90s? 🤣 Are you daft? You further show your lack of knowledge and ignorance there. I guess that's Bliss for some people 🤣 And honestly I was a bigger fan of Levrone and Dillett than I ever was Strydom. And I trained with Gaspari once in the early 90s. So again, no sense. But you don't know me and you definitely don't know what you're talking about, So there's that...
@christianbolt5761
@christianbolt5761 Жыл бұрын
I know people pin delts today too and higher gear dosages are associated with bigger delts as you mentioned
@brettduce5243
@brettduce5243 Жыл бұрын
You have forgotten the fact that there are now more cable exercises and machines used to the train the delts to put maximum tension on the muscle. Remember time under tension is important. If it was all about the androgen receptor density then today’s bodybuilder would have similar leg size as androgen receptor density is lower in the legs than shoulders, traps etc.
@stevenroberts5741
@stevenroberts5741 Жыл бұрын
Not sure their delts were ‘small it’s just that modern bodybuilders have absolutely huge delts, especially rear delts which is where the main difference is. I think some of it is just evolution of the size game, but also response to drugs are a key difference, as you see the real change in delts and traps when modern bodybuilders are on compared to when they retire and dial down the drugs. Those areas are high in androgenic receptors. So fully agree it’s mainly drug related in large part.
@SCCCC1
@SCCCC1 Жыл бұрын
I've heard this before and I think first came from plates and dates. I dont see how that makes any sense. If this were true, then these old school guys would also have oversized delts. I think it was just choice of exercises and anesthetics of the day. No one had oversized glutes or hamstrings back then either.
@ibberman
@ibberman Жыл бұрын
@@SCCCC1 Exactly right, KenWaller already said in a prior video, he was careful to not get his upper legs too large. And Arnold said he carefully balanced delts and forearms so the upper arm would appear larger. Bodybuilding was about creating an illusion of proper proportions.
@shades4313
@shades4313 5 ай бұрын
It’s a combo of site injections (with regular gear, ie injecting the delt) site ENHANCEMENTS, which are not steroids but just oil that is used to puff up the muscle and create inflammation (what people know as “synthol”) and lastly the types and amount of steroids used. In the golden era the main compound of choice was deca. Deca is not nearly as androgenic as testosterone. Which in turn, has less of an effect on the delts because the delts have a ton of androgen receptors
@Doug_Sweeney_
@Doug_Sweeney_ Жыл бұрын
Smaller delt to means more spotlight to the arm. Look at Bill Pearl for instance.
@Hittdogg17
@Hittdogg17 Жыл бұрын
Nope. The guys nowadays have delt specific day, make use of more cables and machines- this is why Larry Scott came up with the Scott press and Arnold turned it into his own. The reasons for those invented movements is to hit the side side with a pressing compound movements. They also used lower reps not much over 10-12 reps.. instead of 4 sets of 10-20 reps they did things like 6 sets of 6 reps… not great for slow twitch fibers in delts
@discernment8963
@discernment8963 Жыл бұрын
Just spitballing here. I'm 65, I started training "Correctly" about when Pumping Iron came out. I still train at Real Ironhead gym that opened about the time the 1st Conan movie came out. I've got a couple of theories on this. Yes there's a lot more stuff being used with guy's, and they're overall bigger, including being very aware their waist's are thicker. So they need their shoulders to (at least appear) wider. So they're more aware about blasting their delts in particular with the weights, but also for that reason I think there's much more site injection, along with Synthol etc in what are thought to be needed areas. Also I don't think I'd consider Delts small in the old days, as opposed to less Overdevelopment out of perceived necessity.
@stanhady5697
@stanhady5697 Жыл бұрын
I've been told some when I was starting, some 35 years ago, not to work traps too hard, because overdeveloped traps make shoulders look narrower.
@boringbanana6417
@boringbanana6417 Жыл бұрын
Plus, there is a lot of synthol being used today, and often injected into the shoulders too.
@Lionsmg
@Lionsmg Жыл бұрын
Awesome great great great video… noticed this too
@daveyboy_
@daveyboy_ Жыл бұрын
I think it was Steeve Reeves who said Overdeveloped chests took away from the delts & Vince Giroronda said that overdeveloped traps took away from the delts .
@lunch9113
@lunch9113 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@SonsOfThunder229
@SonsOfThunder229 Жыл бұрын
They are not small, they are proportioned.
@Neymar973
@Neymar973 6 ай бұрын
well proportioned doesn’t mean every part of the body gotta go big 💪🏻
@arthurblackhistoric
@arthurblackhistoric Жыл бұрын
One thing we're not seeing mentioned is the use of site enhancement oil. Big Ramy is the classic example of overuse of oil in his shoulders.
@majicogarcia8417
@majicogarcia8417 Жыл бұрын
Every single guy in the top 10 every year has a gallon of synthol in each shoulder. Not just Ramy.
@ironflint5475
@ironflint5475 Жыл бұрын
What a great discussion, thank you! Who is the bodybuilder at 7:30? Such a great aesthetic!
@sassyseansimpson8693
@sassyseansimpson8693 Жыл бұрын
George Eiferman
@ironflint5475
@ironflint5475 Жыл бұрын
@@sassyseansimpson8693 thank you!
@chrisweidner4768
@chrisweidner4768 Жыл бұрын
The pic of Roelly. He Deserved at least 1 Mr. Olympia. One year in particular, I remembered he’s the only competitor that drove me to be Vidal and leave my seat.
@williamrodriguez7551
@williamrodriguez7551 4 ай бұрын
The Bodybuilder of the old classic days They were the best. Back in the old days of bodybuilding They look good. They look like they were in shape. Today They are massive huge in size. Way too big. They look like freaks on stage. It's not the same. Sad It's all gone. Again the bodybuilding era in the 40s,50s 60s and 70s was the best. I You. We will never Ever see that again.
@CequalsRN
@CequalsRN Жыл бұрын
The chest/delt tie-in looks great
@lovesgibson
@lovesgibson Жыл бұрын
Substances are likely a huge component. But curious if training approach has some role. Maybe they focus more on heavy raises nowadays. Whereas it sounds like in the 70s they were more about making the muscles “burn”
@AffxctFPS
@AffxctFPS Жыл бұрын
I think the answer lies in a combination between PEDs and training. Although old school bodybuilders trained hard, if you watch golden era training videos, they don't really emphasize the negatives. During that era bodybuilders lifted heavy and hard, but unfortunately that doesn't always work. This we have only come to discover in the last 20-25 years maybe. I dunno when the paradigm shift occurred but I think it happened in the 90s. However, the widespread use of HGH and other peptides inherently increases the amount of muscle cells in certain areas of the body that would not typically have as many actual muscle cells. HGH helps a lot in rounding out one's physique because prolonged use will actually help you develop new tissue that you weren't initially genetically inclined to have. With that said, I don't think golden era bodybuilders had bad deltoids. I guess they were a bit undersized compared to their chests, but they were in parity with their legs in many cases. I think if there's any conclusion we can draw, it's that golden era training - heavy weight and relatively quick negatives - is conducive to arm, chest and back development. The legs require a lot of mind-muscle connection to develop in size, which is why you also see many people with small quads squatting a lot of weight. It's no less impressive to be strong AF with smaller muscles IMO, but if you want the modern day bodybuilder look, you pretty much need to apply a science to your training and your diet. Recent Nick Walker, Ben Pokolski and Milos Sarcev training clips are a good example of this.
@NemeanLion-
@NemeanLion- Жыл бұрын
Delts are also the number one target for site enhancement products like synthol. Even in my local gym, you couldn’t miss the endless “bee stings” in the shoulders on the stupid kids there.
@erfoo543
@erfoo543 Жыл бұрын
Most people are not aware of the usage of sight enhancement
@Anglagard1
@Anglagard1 Жыл бұрын
the picture at 47 seconds in is jaw-dropping.
@TheSpritz0
@TheSpritz0 Жыл бұрын
These days the competitors site-inject all 3 heads of their delts, PLUS also inject SYNTHOL (Site Enhancement Oil). I know a competitor here in Surrey B.C. who is only 190lb but has HUGE shoulders because of what I just described.
@Gilmourized
@Gilmourized Жыл бұрын
Arnold once explained easily why, he said so the arms looked bigger
@Billionaireben
@Billionaireben Жыл бұрын
2:22 note the surgical marks, he said he did waist training; here it's clear that he just had a tummy tuck or something.
@paulblake1164
@paulblake1164 Жыл бұрын
It's the aesthetics of that time; each person had a unique look. It's not seen today due to the 90s when every magazine stated 10 ways to build Mass! Lee Haney, in my opinion, was the last of the bodybuilders.
@BYGTraining
@BYGTraining Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the role of site enhancement oil. It's not just the "oil bags" that use it, they just overuse it. (I'm not totally sure when site enhancement oil became a thing, maybe the guys in the golden era used it, too, I dunno)
@retrobilly1719
@retrobilly1719 Жыл бұрын
I Don’t think Their Delts we’re Small per Se,in fact On Proportion with other parts,I think the Delts on Modern Bodybuilders are actually too Big
@barbellsandbowhunting
@barbellsandbowhunting Жыл бұрын
The androgen receptors are more prevalent in the shoulder and chest. If you up the juice then it's only reasonable that the delts will grow with it.
@algrundau9441
@algrundau9441 Жыл бұрын
Reg Park???....Ever see his Hercules pose? Where he has his hands on his hips doing a lat spread....THOSE are "small delts???"....Don Howorth?.....Larry Scott?.....Exactly what years are we talking about again?
@guitarskeepmesane4958
@guitarskeepmesane4958 Жыл бұрын
The androgenic effects of PEDS target the traps and delts more than any other body part, so with newer compounds and higher doseages you are bound to have freakishly large delts and traps compared to golden era guys, who generally had less potent compounds
@supremeenlightenedtramp1080
@supremeenlightenedtramp1080 Жыл бұрын
its bull saying the bodybuilders dont train as hard today, theres no way to know that, the bodybuiders of the nineties looked a lot better than golden era, thats just a fact. they are more coplete, without absent bodyparts .
@Joe-xo3xy
@Joe-xo3xy Жыл бұрын
i get smaller shoulders as a natural when I start increasing training frequency. Even though today's bodybuilders have high frequency, they also have more chemicals to help with anabolism and recovery. New school may train lower volume, I am not sure. Also, arm size from the golden era will make the shoulders also look smaller than they actually are. Also macros like protein is different today; It is down to a few factors
@jondealey3643
@jondealey3643 Жыл бұрын
I am not sure Delts where understood in the same way as they are now. Much like bronze era guys had no chest due to lack of benching
@gutsurfer
@gutsurfer 6 ай бұрын
Arnold's rear double bicep shows perfect balance between the arms, shoulders and back. It was about being as symmetric as possible.
@colonalklink14
@colonalklink14 Жыл бұрын
They were in perfect proportion to the rest of their physique. Today's bodybuilders have overdeveloped deltoids.
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