Why Grievous HATED the Jedi

General Grievous is a butcher for the CIS, but also a tragic figure- today we're explaining his backstory
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[@mitwhitgaming7722]

I'm suprised no visual media have really dived into Grievous' backstory. It feels perfect for some powerful visual storytelling that mirrors Anakin's own transformation into Vader.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Why the need? Reading some text and seeing the Visionaries comics is good enough for me.

[@DeanmC261993]

One of my favorite star wars characters, thank you corey for covering his origin.

[@heavyarms55]

"A Star Wars theme: that hurt people, hurt people." Corey that lone line deserves a frakking award! I have never heard it so perfectly stated! I am 100% stealing that line.

[@arielsitooo1828]

Always love it when the good ol general gets a moment in the spotlight. This story adapted in a Tales of the Separatists would be great.

[@TrumanTheGrayMerchant]

I was thinking the same thing. Who would you choose as the other focus? The first two series have had characters with paralleled origins, but differing ultimate directions, so I guess you'd want a Separatist who isn't a maniac?

[@arielsitooo1828]

@@TrumanTheGrayMerchant Well it could delve inte fascinating home life of Viceroy Nute Gunray! But more seriously, Asajj Ventress has enough protagonism so i wouldn't go there. Dooku could be interesting, we last saw him leave the jedi order, so seeing him go into politics might be interesting. But given that there aren't too many prominent separatists that aren't members of the separatist council (and let be honest, on the more boring side) , maybe Jango Fett? The only audio-visual media we have with him is AotC, adapting how he was recruited by Dooku might be engaging. At the least it was in the old Bounty Hunter game.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

They won't be as awesome as the Legends iterations, though, and even then, I'd rather the Seppers not need more sympathetic screentime. They're scum and misguided felons, after all.

[@TrumanTheGrayMerchant]

@@michaelandreipalon359 the Legends version of his backstory wasn't even "told" for the most part. Most of it was in reference material, not narratives

[@123456gordon]

I used to be really intrigued about Grievous species, and then I saw more of them in SWTOR and they became one of my favorites. Sad they never really did much with them, I'd love to see something in an animated show covering this race a bit.

[@davidjones6661]

Tiny grammar note for 6:14 -- he abrogated his duty, abdication is when you give it to someone else, just letting it drop is abrogation.

[@JPOGers]

This would make a good movie. In fact if Disney wanted to finally bring Legends to the big screen, this would be a good “test run” movie

[@jacoblyman9441]

The biggest difference we know so far in Canon vs. Legends, is it is implied it wasn't an accident that made him become a cyborg; but voluntary cybernetic upgrades gradually escalating over time until Grievous was left as a machine. It still suggests a story of a man guided by revenge and hate, but it could make it more of a personal choice and less of a "Dooku bamboozled him" thing. Canon Grievous likely wasn't forced into becoming what he was, but he likely chose it to fuel his own desires. With that said, canon Grievous (especially the animated version in The Clone Wars 2008) is such a "Saturday Morning cartoon" bumbling villain who is foiled by the heroes regularly, I'm not sure any backstory they give him will hit quite the same as the terrifying 2003-2004 interpretation of the character we had in early media.

[@CoreysDatapad]

The implication that it was self-chosen came from a source which applies equally in canon as it did in Legends (The Clone Wars) so whether it's kept as the implication that he was lying to the droid or himself, there's still the same room for latitude there.

[@jacoblyman9441]

Fair point. I sort of mentally headcanon TCW 2008 as not part of Legends (seems simpler that way and I say that as a fan of TCW series), but yeah it was canon to the EU at the time and the EU didn't become well "Legends" until, what was it 2014 or so? So yeah somehow the self transformation story fits into Legends, somehow.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Either way, George Lucas has way too much nostalgia for the dated villains of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. Wonder if he's rewatched the stuff lately and started cringing on how the heck he once adored the stuff?

[@TheTb2364]

​@@CoreysDatapadTCW really doesn't fit in with the legends. In retrospect it feels much more like the first work of the new canon.

[@gabrielr7511]

"Anakin Skywalker, I was expecting someone with your reputation to like and subscribe"

[@josh-oo]

"Corey's Datapad... You're shorter than I expected."

[@jacobgordon7998]

The pre-Disney canon on the General Grievous character was very interesting. The species General Grievous came from, Kaleesh, also have an awesome aesthetic in its own right. But the way in which Tyranus was able to tame him specifically by destroying his body and turning him into a cyborg was genius and insidious. It just makes for a very rich story and era. Star Wars needs its imagination and magic back because that has been mostly missing since GL sold Lucasfilm and appointed KK to run it.

[@tTaseric]

Dave Filoni has been a (or the) creative lead for Clone Wars era content both before and after Lucasfilm was sold. It's not like Kathleen Kennedy waltzed into George Lucas' old office, took down his whimsical posters, and starting ordering Filoni to put less "imagination and magic" into his work. It's the same guy in charge with the same creative direction. Ever since we started getting canon stories, we see it takes them a while to 'get around to' prequel characters by giving them a big project focused on them. I just think they haven't gotten around to Grievous yet, that's all.

[@jacobgordon7998]

@@tTaseric Dave Filoni's lack of talent and imagination existed from the jump. Given that incredible liberties were taken in general, but especially with characters, in the Clone Wars (making them do things they would never have done, putting them in places they never would have been, and generally taking cartoonish to the Nth degree, etc.) I don't see the connection between the Episodic films and the Clone Wars. When I watch the prequel films nothing from the Clone Wars feels connected to the prequels. The novels which were released between prequel films were infinitely better. If Anakin were entrusted with a Padawan, that makes him a Master, and completely contradicts RotS.

[@tTaseric]

​@@jacobgordon7998​ Please could you actually pay attention to the lore if you're going to use it as a weapon against creatives. Being a Jedi Master and being a master of a padawan have no correlation. For example, Obi-Wan was only a Jedi Knight during the entire time Anakin was his padawan. Obi-Wan was only elevated to the rank of Master at some point between AOTC and TCW, after Anakin had 'graduated' from being a Padawan. And before you say that Obi-Wan and Anakin was a unique case and therefore doesn't count, Anakin and Ahsoka was also a unique case, as the TCW movie pointed out multiple times.

[@jacobgordon7998]

@@tTaseric From a certain point of view perhaps. But there you go with a perfect example of the liberties taken which has previously been referenced. In 2002, Obi-Wan was a master at the start of AOTC and Anakin a padawan at the end. Originally, Anakin began the CW as a padawan until being elevated to Knighthood, with no apprentice. Which was consistent with the films (and novels etc.) up to that time. Then, well after the fact, TCW (movie and series) blazed its own trail, markedly different from what was previously established about the characters up to its release. Brand new apprentice out of nowhere and Jabba has a "cute" little baby, the liberties snowballed from there. If people called Star Wars cartoonish before (I didn't), TCW bumped that up to 11. From the perspective where that was good, or that version of the lore it all works, and you are correct. When I watch AOTC and RotS, TCW seems so utterly out of place and pulls me out of the otherwise immersive atmosphere when I consider it. So, I don't.

[@ronjon7942]

Maul slipping his blade into Jinn’s ribs and walking away is such a signature Malgus/Ven Zallow move. Maul elevated it to an art. I’ve not seen TPM film, but clips of Maul’s swordplay has me rethinking that. It’d be cool watching Maul practice against training droids. Wonder if ChatGPT could crank out a video. 4:21 Grievous’ gun looks a bit like a Boys anti-tank rifle.

[@marshal8358]

I wanna see a Tales of the Sith mini season with 3 episodes centered around Grievous till the Clone Wars.

[@bearvanhelsing6035]

My favorite little guy. my buddy. No way in hell Disney would ever make like..... a grand military epic about a big lizard guy but it would be really cool..... Great video as always Corey! thank you!

[@engine4403]

Khaleesh are practically Kurds in Space

[@massmurdertron51]

Overssimplication by a lot

[@mayeuldelaunay4058]

Actually it was Grievous' grandmother who took part in the war against the Bitthaevrians, this war and Republic's manipulation of the Kaleesh happened before he was born apparently.

[@dmann5938]

I still wonder if the Kaleesh Warriors would join The Clone Wars under Grievous’s command and sicking them plus the Droid army against the Huks. That would make an interesting What If scenario

[@rebelfriend6759]

I always wanted to see him underneath that mask in Lair of Grievous

[@benjackson8731]

You ever hear the tragedy of Grevious the cyborg?

[@wedgeantillies66]

Basically Grevious hates the Jedi as he blames them for everything that happened to his world, due to them being duped by the invaders of his world in believing that grevious species was the one that needed stopping.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

It's side material and original origins like this that really make me think even the creator of a beloved work isn't flawless in case they have misguided camp nostalgia (sorry, George Lucas and kriff you, Flash Gordon), while being faithful to the source material of said creator and not being respectful of others' awesome, better contributions can be quite criminal (why so libertarian, Dave Filoni?).

[@WenceslasHolec]

I have depression. I will first like and subscribe and then I will try the 30 wifes and the ten children with each, it can wait till spring.

[@Крэйден_х]

Another tragedy of General Grievous after Clone Wars 2003 became laughing stock.

[@DarthVages]

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[@LastGoatKnight]

Don't. Please don't say that. As long as Disney owns the rights we'll never get a Grievous backstory fit for the character

[@CoreysDatapad]

Disney owning or not owning Lucasfilm has little impact on who actually works on these things. Most of the people actively working on Star Wars after the buyout were the exact same people working on it beforehand.

[@imbyron5356]

Of course the biggest tragedy is that Precious didn't like and subscribe