Why Grosjean's car was illegal at Monza - Chainbear explains

Chainbear delves into F1's incredibly complex technical regulations to explain the rules that were broken by Haas at the Italian Grand Prix, resulting in a protest from Renault that led to Romain Grosjean ultimately being excluded from the race.

[@StarryNightGazing]

If chainbear's in it, I always watch.

[@iandlv6835]

As ever perfectly explained in clear and concise language and graphics we can all understand. Well done and thanks Chain Bear.

[@robert7622]

shame he's got such an irritating voice

[@mickrofone]

Best way to thank him is to watch this video on his channel. He really needs it.

[@robertojoaquinleonetti2918]

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[@David-ud9ju]

It wasn't that well explained. The pictures of Haas' floor didn't make it clear what they'd done at all. I think Giorgio Piola would have been able to help us understand better with his graphics.

[@Formula1Madx]

I can't understand how Renault can get any criticism for this. Haas had already been told to change the floor or it would be deemed illegal. They didn't do the changes so it was guaranteed they would get disqualified. Renault, their main opposition, had no choice.

[@dylancotton2061]

Because Haas fans represent the team. Bad losers

[@illdeletethismusic]

the FIA let it pass inspection, but disqualified it after the race following the complaint. this is bizarre behaviour, something sadly to be expected from them

[@Formula1Madx]

@@illdeletethismusic Yes that does seem a bit strange. I wonder if it is something they would automatically be checking for. I'm not sure. It doesn't change the fact that Haas had previously been told that without the modification the car would be deemed illegal. I can't understand why they didn't just do it. It all seems strange to be honest 🤔

[@fuzzfizz]

if renault didn't protest first, i am sure force india will. if not, mclaren will. don't blame renault

[@NoMoStatic]

Cry baby French

[@kulkarniprabhanjan]

Loving this ChainBear Autosport collab.

[@dotcomsunny]

Collab or Copyright

[@jasonwoo9314]

Ikr

[@dylancotton2061]

@@dotcomsunny Collab fucking hell

[@shearerslegs]

Sun NY I would imagine he’s being paid for his contribution as they must recognise that he’s producing higher quality videos which are easily understood.

[@markturcotte663]

He straight up said it was a collab on his own channel

[@z33tanner]

More chain bear, adds a great amount of information to autosport.

[@mickrofone]

He has his own channel. Go subscribe, there are a lot more of content!

[@deadstock2452]

You guys need to pay chain bear big time

[@flyhighpizzapie]

You're assuming they're not already doing that?

[@KryzMasta]

5:07 "Produced by CHAIN BEAR F1" "for motorsport.com"

[@joelkumar2853]

Spread his channel to all F1 fans you know, that's the best way to repay him

[@dylancotton2061]

So you have his pay checks?

[@WoodLard]

Why does this ignorant comment have so many likes... what the hell are you thinking, that there's no arrangement?!

[@jackgriffiths7537]

Videos are great, even better when you show a real world reference

[@Cattactular]

Just wanted to say I love the amount of effort you went to in this video to provide quality and informative content, thank you

[@StevenYang506]

It is both fascinating and mundane at the same time the minute differences and detail that make or break F1 teams. Thanks for explaining this!

[@z0lid]

Chainbear is so good with these explanations! Really makes it easy to understand the complexities of certain areas. Keep it up!

[@h3nrymao]

At least it made Sergey getting his first point this season

[@tacomike262]

Halfway to Hartley

[@joelkumar2853]

Hey mate, can you do a video on engine modes and how they work? I know it sounds basic but who actually controls it? Do the respective teams choose when to turn them up or down remotely or is the driver able to turn it up from his cockpit? Mercedes and Ferrari seem to have a 'party mode' which the other teams don't seem to have. 🤔

[@AngusMcIntyre]

The car telemetry is one-way. The team cannot change anything remotely. Only the driver can change engine modes. This behaviour is guaranteed by the common ECU.

[@Ducksauce33]

You all should be glad Autosport is using fellow KZbinrs to create videos for the channel instead of demanding they be payed when you don't know if they are paying them or not. And that they should be allowed to post there videos anywhere when you don't know if they signed a contract for exclusivity. You don't want to scare away Autosport from giving KZbinrs jobs.

[@rockzs74r]

Yeah this commenter make it sound like Autosport is stole Chain Bear content

[@Ryan-zh9tz]

Ducksauce yeah, and for confirmation, chain bear said he had a deal with them, so all good

[@fastpace101]

So many people in the comment section who don't understand that chain bear is being fully compensated per agreement. This channel is really well done and doesn't deserve the hate.

[@valentinion7879]

Very nice video with precise description. Very professional! Thanks alot

[@Amit-kumar-gg]

At lest let chain bear upload it on his channel first smh

[@StarryNightGazing]

But... Why? I guess they have a contract.

[@Ducksauce33]

I'm sure they are paying him for it. He wouldn't be doing it if he had no incentive.

[@KryzMasta]

5:07 "Produced by CHAIN BEAR F1" "for motorsport.com"

[@SonicSP]

If you hear chain bear talking here but not see him upload it to his channel, what does that tell you? Unless they put secret speakers in his house, there’s only one other answer.

[@brod515]

why does your comment only have one like and people saying "Give Chain Bear Credit!" or "Pay Chain bear!" get far more thumbs are people really thinking. Would Autosport, in this day and age, just steal another KZbinr's content. C'mon Think...

[@timelliott3971]

Superbly clear; natural talent for communicating these things. Thank you v much Chainbear.

[@tomd6053]

Mad props for the research that went into this, cause i would have to watch about 3 times to fully understand lol

[@commentator232]

Possibly THE best F1 explainer. Simple words, yet they don lose their meaning. A man with some real knowledge.

[@Bryan-fg3ey]

Nice and clear explanation of a very technical problem. Well done.

[@ewanwhite4644]

Renault are still salty about the crash gate.

[@pawwl]

Excellent stuff, very succinct and to the point. Great use of real shots of the cars. : )

[@MaverickSpawn]

I have learned more by watching these types of vids than by reading the rules for F1. Thank you for your support and vids. I wish I could launch a crap ton of money your way. :( Keep it going. I hope you get all F1 fans to watch your vids.

[@beenaplumber8379]

I haven't had my morning coffee yet, so I had to slow it to .75 speed, but wow, when I could follow the words, this is some freaky technical stuff that you really explain well! (As always.)

[@gordonmccoy4537]

Thanks for bringing the nuances to light...! It's appreciated... Gordon in Maryland....

[@mopsnuf]

Very good video, compliments. I've recently gotten into F1 and can follow along perfectly, while I imagine it also works for more seasoned followers.

[@khalidmkhan]

'it's underneath, who's going to look there?' Well all your competitors and the hawk eyes that made the rule in the first place! Goes to show that this was a simple rookie mistake by Haas, when you compare what the 'big boys' get up to. No disqualification of races from them, just stupidly hefty fines that shows a glint in their eyes and a beaming smile back. Great video. Thanks for uploading.

[@moondo60]

thank you, thank youFor what is absolutely the finest textile F1 explanation channel there is, especially for those who want to dig deeper 　 I never miss one and I am intrigued on how fantastic your imagery is. 　 The auto sport guys could learn from you using the Giorgio Pioli (sp) images frequently which are as revealing as they are pretty. 　 Hope you never stop

[@MrJewripper]

People don't realise the amount of time this guy spends on these videos. Especially the research! Thumbs up chain bear!

[@rajeshkadupukotla1285]

Very very neat, clean n concise n to the point explanation.

[@SATO_FD2R]

Yay! CHAINBEAR!

[@Freeedy]

Excellent explanation. Thanks for the upload. Now I am very clear about why Haas were excluded

[@randommalegamer]

they should have just cut the piece off like how KMag cuts corners

[@UltimatumNo5]

@chainbearf1 did an amazing job. You guys must be sponsoring him so thanks. Great news for Force India!

[@AngelTiel]

Very informative, a complex subject explained succinctly with an array of interesting visual and technical aids. Thank-you!

[@grandmasterplank]

Superbly clear description of the issue. Great work......Right decision made by the FIA.

[@crabrc]

Get this guy on the Sky coverage. So clear and easy to understand!

[@ajlakanen]

Super Quality content from Chainbear, as always.

[@juha81P]

Rules are rules and they must be followed. Alltough its funny that FIA let Ferrari go when they had 5mm too wide car years ago..

[@EnraEnerato]

Suddenly I'm glad that in the Formula Student things are a bit less strict in such a way that most teams allmost allways can find ways to make their car legal even if that means throwing half of the car to the scrapyard and clumsy last minute actions over the course of days up to three weeks with almost no sleeptime.

[@veros9830]

Finally a quality video, now just needs some autosport branding - instead of using white square background use a nice clean one with autosport somewhere on it.

[@johndelgado3422]

Dude! Your explanations of complex ideas are awesome! Can you explain String Theory?

[@hippocratichippo6324]

Great content! I love your channel

[@dingrey]

Why can't one change the cookie settings on autosports website?

[@ahmaddanial9900]

Haasn’t

[@grandpapa2134]

Thanks. Great explanation. One of the best races this year.

[@GrumpyFelo]

Why only 1 Hass car and not both

[@Wrtvrxgvcf55]

Only grosjean scored points. Magnussen did not get any points so disqualifying magnussen as well would be redundant

[@R4M_Tommy]

@@djp3637 kmag car was already outside the parc fermè, as the two renaults, when renault made the move This is also why haas will get back in the finish order: they couldn't reply because both relault were already out of the parc fermè

[@williamstephens9945]

Magnussen's car was modified by Perez. :)

[@wingracer1614]

Because no one protested KMag.

[@johnhunter4465]

I just don’t get why if the FIA know the cars illegal why did it pass scrutineering, and even allowed to race. Does that mean there’s cars running which the FIA know don’t comply, but it’s down to the teams to somehow find out and protest?.

[@ThorinOakenshieldGSD2023]

Thanks for the explanation. If you are looking for subjects would love to see an explanation of what I will call the injury lights on top of the airbox? After Ericson's crash at Monza the TV feed here in the U.S. said that there were a set of lights atop the air box that would shine red if the driver were injured green if OK. I have never heard that before, and never seen it in practice, except for the TV coverage that showed an example on Bottas Mercedes in the garage. If this exists on all cars how is it activated? If the driver were unconscious does the team activate the lights or is there a system on board reading the bio-metrics of the driver?

[@PazLeBon]

Maybe they can drill holes straight through without changing the flatness. i.e add aero inside the plate

[@LarsAgerbk]

Very impressive rundown of the situation. HAAS has said that the FIA never replied to their response that they wouldn't be able to fix it before Monza and that they took that as an approval for them to keep it this way. Why would they make up something like that.

[@theunreadcomment9834]

Hmm I wonder... I suppose points and prize money have nothing to do with why someone would lie to try and stay in the competition rather than be DQd

[@TTB630]

But why does it need to be rounded at all? What's the reason behind that rule

[@JimUe1]

0:48 Why did the FIA leave it to another team to have to protest for the FIA to enforce its own rule?

[@SHenanegenz]

This isn't on Chain Bear's channel yet?

[@900108Chale]

Wonderful explanation! I bet someone at Sky is taking a serious look intro your work. If not, THEY SHOULD! Thank you

[@wernerheenop]

Great videos. Can you please explain the Plank. I understand that it not lose 10mm thickness from rubbing on the ground? But why does the plank not get rubbed off, since we see so many sparks coming from the bottom of the cars as they go down straights

[@tonicdb]

Titanium skid plate, bet there isn’t much left of the red bulls after a gp

[@h0ll1s]

Awesome, love the technical explanation!

[@OsmanLiban]

great vid and excellent explanation

[@racemylife1]

I think a disqualification is too harsh especially considering they requested 1 extra round, perhaps a 20 second time penalty would be more fair

[@christianbarnay2499]

What is harsh is that the FIA knew the complete situation way before and even made an official statement about it but never took responsibility to give them the right penalty before the race start. Their warning statement should have consisted in telling Haas what sanction they were facing in case they didn't pass the controls before the Monza race, not saying that they will be allowed in the race and depend on a protestation by another team and an after-race ruling.

[@fffffaris]

I clicked without even knowing this is Autosport channel.

[@Pal42_]

Me too

[@fastpace101]

They work together so you should sub to both. Great channels!

[@Ra1d_danois]

So how did Renault know of this?

[@utubedano]

Thank you chain bear for explaining all this to us.

[@larsgottlieb]

If I was writing race rules, the only rule I'd have would be that there had to be an actual driver on board piloting the car, a limit on the length of any actual flame coming from the rear end - in case of jet or rocket propelled vehicles - that it couldn't be wider than 30% of the track width at any given point, to allow overtaking, and no willfull destruction of track or opponents ... The rest is just pedantics.

[@f1matt]

Thanks for the explanation.

[@Chuck59ish]

Good explanation, still can't understand why Haas didn't give two guys the 50mm radius object, a router and a sander to fix the problem in an hour.

[@bowlerman13]

I'm confused why Magnusson didn't have the same floor as grosjean?

[@tmac20031]

This is why F1 has become boring. The regulations have become beyond rediculous. I understand having the cars be a basic shape but give me a break

[@theunreadcomment9834]

Nah, F1 has become boring because there's no characters any more. All drivers are drab monotone bores who believe they're entitled to be first, and will spit their dummy out if they finish second.

[@Chak29]

Nah dude. I dont think u realize how much haas broke the rules. As much as the FIA are shit sometimes, they arent in this case

[@IshoGT]

You say that now, but if these regulations were not implemented, you´d have an even bigger gap between the top teams and the rest.

[@RWoody1995]

The complexity of the rules isn't the problem really, it's kind of a necessary evil when such big money is involved and you also want to avoid becoming a spec series. The issue is more to do with the freedom teams have to create types of aero that disadvantage cars following them by creating the "dirty air" everyone talks about, hopefully 2019 regs have FINALLY made some headway into fixing that for the first time in a decade in the way they've banned aero that pushes turbulence outside the car.

[@wmahomet]

If they were allowed, they would implement strategy's that minimised the effect of dirty air on trailing cars. Active aero, active boost, stability control. The rules have become a mess of trying to fix problems that weren't there in the first place, but stifling innovation for the sake of making money.

[@Yamaha0VMaX]

I liked the explanation..... Thanks for the effort.

[@a.Hopeful]

Great and detailed explanation. Thanks a lot... :)

[@brandonryan9582]

This Dude should be a technical adviser for an F1 team, I've heard actual technicians F1 guys explain this and I still didn't understand

[@Blafard666]

Thank for this explanation !

[@theslimeylimey]

Very good clear explanation.

[@julespepper6691]

I wish they made F1 a bit more technical like this would make people go into being engineers and designers and make F1 more than just a race

[@TheRociCrew]

I didn't understand a thing, but I was fascinated nonetheless!

[@enetdax17]

Must you come here to show people how daft you are

[@TheRociCrew]

Agunna Ifeanyi Umeh oga why blast me oo? I'm just happy with the video na!

[@enetdax17]

Cool man 😂

[@0623kaboom]

basically haas .. messed with the lowest bit and didnt want to change it at the same time as the rest so they got caught and lost because they wanted to cheat some more

[@AMPJ08]

Well explained. So they simply went to the edge with the upper plane ! What a small detail.

[@vueloalslur]

Great explanation Thank you!

[@angelreyes81735]

So this video isn't on ChainBear's page. Did y'all just take him from his channel?

[@xXDoubleBounceXx]

Why wasn't Magnussen disqualified too?

[@abimaeljr1]

well done. Simple and clear!

[@tjcadotte37]

I love this deal between autosport and chainbear!!

[@ryanflood635]

If it must be a vertical line from the reference floor the Haas looks like it matches the rules. Obviously it isn't legal otherwise they wouldn't have DQ him but. I didn't see it say any aero parts must sit back. It just said no parts attached until the second plane which must be vertical 50mm. I can't see why the haas isn't legal tbh.

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

Didn't he say that the problem was stuff to close to the 50mm radius corners? Not the straight angle to next plane. That is how I understood it (but I may be wrong of course😁)

[@ryanflood635]

Yeh it needs to be smoothed, rounded edges when viewed from the bottom. but from that picture, to me id say it would look legit, plus it has the 50mm step before any body work. guess it is just bad pictures to use to explain. from what i can see the Ferrari actually looks less legit than Haas, but again the pictures are generic not really that helpful. oh well. its not like Teams are just going to say yeh feel free to snap all the pics you want from any and every angle.

[@MrKyle74]

Right; can anyone answer this question - Why do teams get penalised for changing engines or gearboxes if it's not deemed to be "the right time"? I mean, I understand the point of having a limited number of engines etc. but who gives a toss when a team uses their allocation? Maybe they have a couple of dodgy gearboxes that only last a race or two and then one lasts six races. I've been wondering about this for quite a while.

[@almeidaariel9]

The DSQ is a yoke!

[@sriharidesai7606]

And from that Sergey Sirotkin scored his first F1 points as was 11 th in Monza but after this incident he was 10th

[@andrewshitfield2513]

Was that just his car or Kevin's car as well

[@nikeshsraj]

So even Magnussen was disqualified from the race??

[@christianbarnay2499]

The FIA is the first we should blame here. They didn't do their regulatory job. They knew the car was illegal before the race and they did nothing. They waited for some other team to protest after the race. And of course the complaining team can only be a team that was suffering during the whole race because of that unfair advantage Haas had. So for the public this appears to be a poor performing team trying to get an unfair advantage by nitpicking on something the authority didn't care about. But their statement that Haas would open themselves to protestations by other teams at Monza if they failed to correct it clearly shows that they cared but refused to do their job before the race. They explicitly told everyone that the Monza race would be unfair and one of the teams would have to take responsibility for filing a protestation after the race to repair that.

[@ThePolaris87]

Thank you for this one!

[@paulsven7923]

Great vdeo and explanation

[@zzyzxyz5419]

HAHAHA didn't notice i wasn't on chainbear's channel until the end.

[@HJZ75driver]

Razor I was trying to work out what was going on too

[@hinavadchhedia6527]

Haas fans:- oh god Fia disqualified Gro fro not rounding corners. 😡😡

[@robbleeker4777]

I think the MOST important question is......HOW did Renault know about this.... ??? The cars are usually standing inside the garage.....I doubt Renault employees are allowed to enter the garage of Haas.... It does not look to obvious from a distance....

[@aidankeogh5350]

Presumably they knew about Haas being told to change it. The FIA said if they used the floor they would be open to protest, so they probably told other teams about it. Teams also have cameras taking pictures of every area of each car, so Renault would see from them as well.

[@custard131]

did Magnussen have a different floor? or did they just not bother disqualifying him because he wasnt in the points anyway?

[@aidankeogh5350]

Wasn't in the points anyway.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

Hard to believe they didn´t had time to reshape that small area that was outside the rules... they just played the "let´s see if nobody noticed it". Since the FIA was going to let them by if nobody protested, Renault did, they lost the points.

[@MRDK6969]

+Curious Cat No, they have to design a new "floor" and then send it of to Dallara for them to produce it, then get it home from Dallara to the factory, before they can install it, where other teams are producing there "floor" in house, and there by are faster, and that why HAAS ask for a one race extension, because of it couldn't be done until the Monza GP, the problem is that FIA have approved the way HAAS are building there car, and they should then be aware that it will take HAAS longer time, because a third party is involved... :-)

[@hipperdanjou]

Great video!

[@rddracing]

My question is why didn't they protest Magnussen as well? Is he's car the same?

[@aidankeogh5350]

He was out of the points, so noone cared.

[@Cynyr]

WOOO! more chainbear!

[@thomasteck5212]

why only grosjean? why didn’t magnussen get excluded?

[@Tammo1986]

subbed to you for a long time now, and this video didn't show up on my sub feed :( found it on reddit.. GJ youtube!! :(

[@6364928]

Good explanation..

[@mic6ard]

Been wondering about that. Thx