Why Guardians of the Galaxy Ruined The MCU

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[@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818]

You forgot to mention about an important pharse 4 mcu movie SPIDERMAN NO WAY HOME

[@redyeezy7383]

Hey Alex Webb what would you rate the guardians of the galaxy vol.3?

[@Isaacs-Comics]

How about you make a video about Guardians of the galaxy game from Square Enix. It looks like a masterpiece compared to the Avengers game.

[@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818]

@@Isaacs-Comics but the irony here is both games are going to be outshined by a superhero single player game of 2023

[@redyeezy7383]

@@Isaacs-Comics I don’t have a KZbin video bro.

[@Alex_From_Florida]

Guardians 1: brought comedy when comic book movies were trying to be mature Guardians 3: brought maturity when comic book movies were trying to be comedies

[@petestone6327]

And it goes with the theme of Peter Quill being more mature every next GoTG movie.

[@danieldeitrick7947]

While still being very funny.

[@SamJust]

Sure? Maybe I'm blind, but saw no maturity there

[@Morfe02]

and the parents want to "ban" the movie because cgi animal sad or something yeah better take your kid to watch Avengers politic conflict 4 and Avengers racial war 5 (i mean the Ultron movie was kindaaaaaaa serious and Civil War a little about politics, etc)

[@Dikbeeg]

​@@SamJust u are blind

[@BrickFighter13]

Moral of the story: everyone wanted to be like James Gunn

[@DEATHFLAME246]

Even DC

[@mathiaslienafa789]

@@DEATHFLAME246 this is why suicide squad (2016) and the suicide squad (2021) existe

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Correction, people wanted to be like James Gunn AND Joss Whedon after the first Avengers movie.

[@LushOffiziell]

No

[@electricfeverx976]

@@comixproviderftw_02 the style of Gunn with the writing Whedon, without understanding how either worked is a great recipe for Chaos.

[@Anijah2001]

So, in conclusion, the Guardian's movies were so good that the other movies tried to copy what they did right but failed miserably

[@Dikbeeg]

Dont copy .moral of the story

[@The_MEMEphis]

The first avengers is what introduced most of what he was talking about

[@KrahYT]

@@blightedgrounds what guardians did you watch

[@ThyBigCheddar]

​@@KrahYT I don't he's watched it at all

[@marc7248]

What's your channel banner from?

[@sprice2344]

Gotg ruined the MCU the same way Watchmen 'ruined' comics in the 90s. The problem was people taking all the wrong messages from it and not having enough media literacy to see what was really important - the poor imitateors took all the wrong things forward, they only took the surface level stuff without digging deeper into what actually worked

[@GamersHolyArmy]

Another good example is Madoka Magica to magical girl anime.

[@ALIEN-DUDE]

Yeah, take all the easy to replicate parts of a popular thing and make your own thing but without what made the first thing so special in the first place, the fact that the original was made by an artist who wanted to tell a story they'd enjoy themselves.

[@sprice2344]

@@ALIEN-DUDE also without reading into any subtext

[@sprice2344]

@@GamersHolyArmy not an example I can relate to personally, but I'm sure it's spot on. My anime knowledge is spotty

[@ryxrr7207]

​@@GamersHolyArmy Jesus Christ yes! I liked to watch some of them before, even watched a few with my little sister. They were good fun, a cute counterpart of the "cooler" side (these being monster catchers, fighting shounens etc) Now you actually need to spoil the story, because maybe you turn on a cute looking show to watch and clean your mundane daily life problems for a bit. Then BAM, FLYING HEADS AND/OR SE**AL ASSAULT.

[@Varfair]

Gotg ruined the MCU for me because it reminded me that these Marvel movies can actually be amazing if they really tried.

[@Dikbeeg]

Marvels gonna get wrecked by fans now 🤣

[@ne3856]

So when Marvel made the first Avengers, they weren't trying with that?

[@tfk2328]

​@@ne3856 "Reminded"

[@elliottpak]

you got me in the first half, not gonna lie

[@dylansharp8471]

They do try.

[@ruggiebuggie3195]

I love the part in the first movie where they all join hands to LITERALLY share their pain to make it hurt less.

[@Dikbeeg]

And peter sees his mom .its beautiful how the movie connects everything at the end

[@rhetiq9989]

I get the meaning behind it and all but I always love to view it as their beating the bad guy with the power of friendship

[@DanielGonzalez-iz2zg]

​@@rhetiq9989 I mean, they did

[@ruggiebuggie3195]

@@rhetiq9989 That’s what I mean.

[@michaelmurley487]

And all of a sudden... I understand that entire scene!

[@r.e.z9428]

I think the writers of Phase 4 ruined the MCU, I want to go back to when Age of Ultron was considered the worst movie in the MCU. We didn’t know how good we had it.

[@Gannoh]

Phase 4 writers really said "let's make every movie and TV show except No Way Home abysmal"

[@r.e.z9428]

@@Gannoh Agreed

[@Kdkjdjewerdnxa]

Age of Ultron is still pretty bad. Whedon’s writing and directing were among the worst in the MCU and his absence made infinity war and endgame much stronger than the first two avengers movies. No doubt modern MCU is super lackluster but I still absolutely feel Age of Ultron, Hulk and Thor 2 are among the worst sitting alongside all of the Ant Man films. It’s a shame what they did to Ant Man, Paul Rudd was perfect casting and Edgar Wright was supposed to write and direct which would’ve been excellent but even early marvel was averse to keeping around directors who want creative control.

[@r.e.z9428]

@@Kdkjdjewerdnxa Worst in the MCU? Then are you saying the first Avengers was the worst as well? Did you watch MoM, Wakanda Forever? The Eternals? Age of Ultron plotwise had a fair amount of issues but the character work was on point. Id take Hulk and Thor 2 (which still werent good) over the slop we’ve gotten. I also agree that Edgar Wright should have gotten his chance, hes a great director, Id honestly wouldn’t mind if he made a Spiderman movie.

[@Gannoh]

@@Kdkjdjewerdnxa I don't know that I'd go so far as to say Endgame is better than the first Avengers or Age of Ultron given what it did to most of its characters and world building. Most of the issues prominent in Phase 4 existed first in Endgame.

[@BlackOwlMage]

My dad introduced me to Rocket Raccoon years before the first Guardians movie as a kid so I was initially just excited to see Rocket on the big screen but ended up loving the entire trilogy

[@LucasHopkins2006]

I guess Guardians 3 was quite a treat then since it was very much Rocket’s movie (even if he was on Death’s Door for most of it)

[@resof]

​@@LucasHopkins2006well it's my favorite one in trilogy because of rocket.

[@oa-san53]

Doctor Strange arc in his first movie wasn't really about responsability, it was about letting go his ego

[@puggietaur]

yeah it wasn't similar to peter's arc in sm2 at all

[@jasonsenter1646]

Peter Quill also had to let go of his ego.

[@oa-san53]

@@jasonsenter1646 In which of the GotG movies?

[@vashythewabbit8288]

@@oa-san53 GotG2 he meant literally with his dad

[@emilywenig4390]

I can see what you mean. They tried copying the Guardian's style of humor with Thor: Love and Thunder or even She Hulk, and it failed. They also copied the darker stuff from Guardians with Multiverse of Madness and Falcon & the Winter Soldier. Which I didn't care for, but it was less annoying than the forced humor. That's my take anyways. They missed the main reason the Guardians movies were all so loved.. They had HEART.

[@antogno4625]

They did it way before love and thunder and She Hulk. It started in phase 3.

[@dinocake9929]

Bro i totally agree with you...this morning i tried rewatching love and thunder and i had to stop because of the cringy jokes

[@snakevergil]

I agree with you other than Daredevil doing the walk of shame. That was fucking gold

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Bro what? MoM's darker stuff came from Raimi. What made it suffer was the corpo mandates and Waldron's Rick and Mortyism. Also, where the hell did you see GOTG influences on F&WS? That series was trying hard, too hard, in imitating CA: WS.

[@emilywenig4390]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Should've worded it better. Meant to say 'tried to be like' or 'wanted to get a similar audience reaction' rather than copy because yeah... None of these things are alike, Marvel's just trying to experiment with humor/dark themes because that's what sells. Guardians just happens to do it correctly and was most known for it.

[@StevenHe]

I LOVE this channel. PLEASE upload more videos than Internet historian

[@tytylerh]

ain’t no way steven just hopped in

[@zay2k539]

Wow, how's he just randomly here out of nowhere lmao!

[@Isaacthedank]

it's him

[@CashSwagg9374]

emOtIoNAL dAmaGE!!

[@noir-edits]

yooo where tf did u come from bro

[@armoured7201]

I find it funny how even with the amount of jokes, vol 1 manages to still not miss and ruin its emotional beats, the opening scene and the scene when Peter has a vision of his mother kill me every time

[@Dikbeeg]

Its james gunn .no matter how funny the movie is he always complete the emotional arc great

[@matti.8465]

There are also so many movie protagonists that try to be Peter Quill, but most of them miss what made him work, even ones also played by Chris Pratt

[@xavierwhitcraft1310]

i don't even blame chris pratt, he's just working with what he got. hes a terrific actor when given the chance to actually have some depth. I blame writers way more than i do actors.

[@kolossis8283]

You know Chris Pratt was and will always be a great actor when the reason why people hated him in the first place was because of Star Lord in Infinity Wars

[@Resonantkarma0]

Love that he doesn't even stop to defend his opinion of Spider-Man 3 being good, just says it with a straight face & moves on

[@jbard9892]

I'm gonna kick some dirt in your eye!

[@7666D]

I absolutely loved it as well cause it had venom,sandman and Spider-Man was my favourite superhero(I was a kid then) I still kinda love Spider-Man 3.

[@dannyboi4458]

Same with ant man. Both are statements i highly agree with that most people online don’t.

[@cryptidcloud]

it's a fact that's why

[@dtxspeaks268]

​@@dannyboi4458Antman is underrated because it does something different in the MCU (a heist plot) and stars a hero and villain that are unknown. It's sad that the Antman sequels decided to be generic instead of unique like the OG smh

[@koushikraja331]

James Gunn with Guardians: You see, you can include any crazy, weird character in the movie if you treat it with respect, reverence and put a little bit of your personal life into the story; you need not adapt it page per page, but man you can take the heart/essence of it and be passionate about the story; put your own spin on the characters while staying true to the core and make them interesting and engaging! They can be multi dimensional characters, who are both sad and happy and have both happy and sad moments in their lives like Taika:.......got it! Comics all suck! They're boring with pictures! So I turn all of the characters into comedians and undercut every emotional moment with a joke! because that's what these are! Fuck it, I'll even turn cancer into a joke, but not in a dark humor esque way that deals with existentialism, but into a quippy mess!

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Taika got it right in Ragnarok. And he had self control in Jojo Rabbit and nearly all his other works. The worst part of L&T wasn't that he didn't stay true to the comics, it's that he didn't stay true to the story to be told.

[@rickygforce4217]

​@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Idk, everybody loved Ragnarok when it came out, but in retrospect, a lot of the DNA in L&T that resulted in its failure is very much present in Ragnarok, just not to the same extent. There's a real lack of emotional sincerity and disinterest in Thor 3 (especially in scenes surrounding Odin and Loki), almost as if Taika looked at the Guardians, hyperfixated on the couple of irreverent scenes, and made the whole movie with that tone ...whilst forgetting that the Guardians movies are also incredibly earnest at times, which helped balance out the irreverence. It's a shame Vol. 2 wasn't as well received as Ragnarok, because outside of some bad jokes, I think its emotional core held up the best of any MCU film

[@michaelshahoe]

@@rickygforce4217 Bro, Taika isnt copying the Guardians lmaoo. Stop with this headcanon. Ragnarok worked because it was refreshing and something new with Thor and actually funny. Thor L&T wasnt even bad, it was just heavily MID. Bad is Batman vs Superman. Thor L&T just exists.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@rickygforce4217 I still love Ragnarok. In fact, it was the movie I used to wash the bad aftertaste of L&T. Ragnarok had setups and payoffs, and understands subtext; both which are nonexistent in L&T. I'll agree on this, GOTG 2 is better than Ragnarok and very underrated.

[@Asphyx12]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom No Taika probably thought "fuck disney im here for money and this is a lesson for disney."

[@katharina8963]

I had no interest in Guardians but i visited London and it was a rainy day so we went to the cinema. I watched Guardian three more times in cinema back in Germany. I fell in love with everything in Guardians and Vol 3 is my fav Marvel movie.

[@jthefox1019]

Same

[@jofri9932]

Yeah same

[@Vashkey]

I feel like the tonal shift in the MCU was inspired more by the first Avengers film and Joss Whedon than Guardians

[@Morfe02]

You forget how THOR 3 starts with the Guardians because haha good movie characters ??

[@Animaxx010]

Agreed, the first Avengers already started the “jokey” trend way before GOTG. Marvel movies have always had that joke thing since. GOTG just did it better while everyone else kept trying again and again.

[@JayFingers]

Yep.

[@The_MEMEphis]

​@@Morfe02 you mean Thor 4

[@reitakanashi532]

​@@Animaxx010 Iron Man 3, Cap 2, Thor 2 were still more serious, so I think GOTG really have more impact towards this shift

[@jimnicholls5215]

I honestly dont think its guardians’ fault. I think its the first avengers movie that was like this.

[@BAHG00M]

Yes exactly

[@adamgrogan1587]

It goes all the way back to Iron Man. It's a snowball effect

[@The_Hendrix]

Literally I agree and disagree with the vid lmfaooo. It’s a good video but misguided I feel

[@cameronjosephvideos5942]

@@adamgrogan1587 Idk, comedy has always been a big thing, but it tended to be natural. In fact, pretty much all the jokes in the first Iron Man came from Tony. Literally, nobody else appeared to have a comedic bone in their body. Fast forward and 90% of characters are all Tony Stark, or Star lord.

[@crystalcollision5432]

i would agree if it wasnt for the case of thor ragnarok. i remember people constantly comparing it to guardians of the galaxy in terms of aesthetics and comedy, and i think that movie irreparably destroyed thor's character as well as strongly cemented marvels idea of "funny movie means blanket appeal and money". i doubt that specific comedic tone wouldve been the direction they went with thor had guardians not done so well in the first place. yeah people thought thor was boring, but making it a comedy wasnt the only solution. if it was the first avengers fault then i dont think iron man 3 wouldve taken the trauma from new york so seriously, or thor dark world be so gloomy and serious, or winter soldier so character and action focused. comedy came in hard after guardians in my eyes.

[@supervideomaker9136]

I told myself GOTG3 would be marvel's last chance to keep me interested. Was hyped to watch it and after finishing it, was basically done with marvel. Not because the movie was bad, but because it was too good. It made me realize how much I loved the GOTG characters and how basically no other Marvel movie can compare. Such a satisfying ending that I don't see any reason to watch any of their other movies

[@Pineapple_and_Mango]

I agree. Honestly Marvel should definitely keep James Gun to direct and create more of their movies because the 3 he made were INCREDIBLE. It’s the perfect balance of funny, emotional, and interesting. Also the characters have amazingly written development.

[@whytfuneedanameinYT]

@@Pineapple_and_Mango james is in DC , they cant keep him . Hope james fixes DC and give us a great universe

[@Pineapple_and_Mango]

@@whytfuneedanameinYT I didn’t mean it that way. Disney fired him in the past and rehired him. I just mean I would like to see more guardians of some other similar films directed by him to do with those characters because they are SO well written and there’s so many more possibilities of stories to be told!

[@damianotin8417]

The problem is that the producers force James Gunn's writing style to directors that don't understand it or don't want to do it. Multiverse of madness has some great moments, then there's gotta be out of place comedy and formulas that restrain Sam Raimi to make something unique. I'm glad Guardians 3 came out amazing with the perfect balance between seriousness and comedy. Who could have guess that James Gunn knew how to make James Gunn's movies? Can't wait to see what he comes up next

[@FireStriker_]

i know, and looking fwd for what comes next ;) But DC movies are gonna be GOAT again

[@orihiho2978]

@@FireStriker_the flash 💀

[@BestOneEver247]

@@orihiho2978 you don't understand

[@elliottpak]

Honestly GOTG movies just do a great job at balancing seriousness and comedy, that's why I love them so much.

[@MarvinMartinez2001]

Guardians of the Galaxy and Werewolf by Night are proof that Directors should be given more creative freedom!!!

[@100navy8]

Sam Raimi had a creative freedom, and the movie has weird transitions, and over the place horror

[@lordraiden7397]

​@@100navy8Sam raimi also had 50 trillion rewrites and barely a script because of Disney constantly diarheaing everything.

[@Thefamilychannel723]

She-Hulk disagrees…

[@user-gl2nw4sx1m]

Love n Thunder and She-Hulk entered chat

[@uhobme2028]

It's wild how much happened to the team between Guardians 2 and 3.

[@Kaiyanwang82]

Arguably too much. They removed Gunn's agency with what happened in Infinity War. It cannot stand as a proper trilogy because something fundamental happens in other 2 movies, especially one.

[@claytonrios1]

A bold statement. But every movie afterwards tried to be like Guardians for a while so I can't say you're wrong. Not every Marvel franchise needs to have quips every 5 seconds after all.

[@boxtupos7718]

They don't get that the only quippy one in the GOTG cast is Peter; He's the only one who makes pop culture references. And when they do make pop culture refrences it's because Peter is there. The humor from the characters stems from different reasons: Mantis' naivety Drax's struggle in understanding subtext Nebula and Gamora are the straightmen; They're comedy lies in their reactions to the crew. Rocket is the "professional asshole"; He's sarcastic and insults people. Also is quick to anger. That's why the comedy works for the Guardians

[@uchihabomber1296]

@@boxtupos7718This is a great way to describe it honestly

[@dylansharp8471]

"quips every 5 seconds" Oh fuck that.

[@mochii813]

​@@dylansharp8471everyone is suddenly spider man

[@IKIGAIofficial]

Guardians 2 is my favorite MCU film. Seriously go rewatch it.

[@justinh4576]

I think while we love the guardians movies it’s very clear that marvel learned all the wrong lessons from them. They worked because they were made by a director who knew how he wanted to tell his stories but they tried to reduce it down to some template to apply to all their characters under other directors who clearly didn’t have a passion to tell the stories any particular way.

[@spikyowl107]

The game made me realize what the movies failed at, then somehow with Vol. 3, Gunn sorta understood what made the game better

[@Melkac]

That being?

[@spikyowl107]

@@Melkac first thing that comes to mind is how to properly blend moments of humour and seriousness.

[@uchihabomber1296]

@@spikyowl107I agree James Gunn really properly blended the humor and Seriousness more effectively somehow

[@Dikbeeg]

Game wasnt funny im sorry

[@spikyowl107]

@@Dikbeeg good for you

[@alec2000]

This is why I love your content, Alex. Your clever naming and thumbnails, your amazing sense of humor, all the great memes you put, it’s no wonder why you’re one of the best on this platform.😁

[@onesaucynougat7471]

He’s alright but I swear it’s like he’ll die if doesn’t have a meme every 2 seconds of the video and it gets annoying, to me anyways.

[@jowardgamer2708]

I think the humor in endgame works because of the five-year jump where the blip has been established, and everyone has gotten used to it and excepted it and moved on with their normal lives, which is why they’re cracking jokes because I mean it’s been five years just accept it and enjoy your life

[@JacksonLane02]

Feel like it kinda did. It added more comedy to the MCU and is responsible for comedy in the future of the MCU it showed the MCU doesn't all the time have to be this serious dark and gritty movie universe which is where I feel like the DCEU failed woth it being too serious. The Guardians is funny but definitely is serious at times. And most projects should follow it one moment be funny and for the like rest of the film be serious. Heck Guardians 3 made me wonder this is the same film trilogy from Guardians 1 and 2 right and I'm still trying to emotionally recover. Feel like Guardians showed comedy can work but probably should be like few jokes. As for the quanity over quality it seems to be done for and back to quality over quantity considering Bob Chapek the Disney CEO who wanted more projects less polished got fired and majority of projects got delayed

[@Dikbeeg]

Guardians while being funny always had their themes and arcs consistent .they always get to the beautiful end somehow thats why they are great .others missed the mark

[@harlannguyen4048]

Blame Chepek all you want, but he's the one who greenlit Deadpool 3 when his predecessor, Bob Iger, wouldn't.

[@Mitriscool]

I'm so happy that there's finally someone that actually liked Iron Man 3 and the Mandarin Plot

[@noname768397]

Same.. at the time of Iron Man 3 came out everything feels grounded and believeable, like the dark knights rises, they made changes to make this believable, no muscle serum, just a really competent terrorist. So being novice to comic books i felt no problem for the changes, having iron man fights a sorcerer with ten rings sound riddiculous at that time for me

[@boxtupos7718]

​@@noname768397 Kinda awkward to put the most stereotypical Asian villain called Mandarin in a movie. Specially because if people find out the origin of the character (Guy who wrote the character Mandarin was before Marvel got it, made the character because he was racist). I love how Shang-Chi actually calls this out, an asian villain named after a Chinese dish.

[@JayFingers]

I love Iron Man 3. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@puggietaur]

@@boxtupos7718 Mandarin has more meanings than just the dishes, it also just means a bureaucrat and is the name of, you know, one of the most common languages in the world. that joke doesn't make any sense and it's even worse because it blatantly contradicts the "All Hail the King" one shot where Trevor is told that he stole the Mandarin's name and the Mandarin wants it back, the Mandarin now doesn't like his name and never would have wanted it back so he goes by Wenwu instead

[@GodaBoham]

I saw the title and had to see how he justified making such a claim

[@balsasjekloca9308]

With facts, logic, and truth, obviously.

[@antogno4625]

He is correct.

[@OfficialBillC]

@@antogno4625it didn’t exactly ruin the mcu

[@killjoy30011]

I honestly would not Blame Guardians I would blame the writers and Directors who see a great writer and Director and instead of trying to do their own thing to be creative and instead try to do the same as the writer and director who who knows what hes doing

[@dylansharp8471]

They do tho.

[@Real_DvD]

@@dylansharp8471 god fucking damn bruh shut the fuck up. We get it. You like gagging on the mcu’s meat

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I didn't watch the first Guardians film until 2019. Yes, I know...shame on me... However, watch it was a breath of fresh air because of how well the comedy just landed and felt so natural compared to the non-Guradian movies between Guardians 1 and Endgame...geez...this video of yours was ON POINT!

[@danielgeronimo5538]

It's also kinda funny because, Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy were probably more of a parody of a superhero film yet, it is the only one that kinda works realistically as one. The guardians were almost always out of touch (maybe also out of time), always were misfits, and by the time the sequel rolls in, it is implied they are somewhat kind of troubled helpers, and trusting them was unfathomably a questionable move for a rational mind. Yet their own individual issues and efforts to resolve them, as either their own or as a group is what makes the heart of the films. Also I feel like people don't take much credit at how Star Lord is a good protagonist, and how he always struggles with dissociation from his current place in the universe and where he is from. James Gunn was right, he would never make such a dumb mistake as to punch Thanos in a critical moment.

[@ConnorLockhartYGO]

"My heart hurts." Mine too, buddy. Mine too.

[@abdelali9279]

4:47 you know you've been bamboozled when James Gunn hid the greatest "we are family" drop of the fast saga, in a MCU movie, no wonder VinDi was born for this role!

[@orionjustmelted]

Same reasons that animated movies have been somewhat fringed since the days of Shrek and early Pixar. People take the wrong aspects of them and exemplify them. Gross-out humor, the basic 3-arc structure, and adult jokes remain, but the deeper themes, creative leaps and decent writing are lost.

[@rocket009able]

This channel is genuinely one of my most favourites and I get excited whenever your notifs pop up, keep up the awesome work!!

[@manzington]

This is the first video of yours I’ve seen, and I have to say, great job! The editing is absolutely amazing and the writing is concise and easy to follow. Keep up the great work!

[@StevenHe]

Yo If you wanna do a Ginormo Collab.... I'm down to share some easter eggs and stories no one knows

[@AlexWebb101]

Collab you say?

[@AceXyrder]

🤔🤔🤔

[@PurooRoy]

Whoa I just found an Easter egg comment while scrolling by New!

[@ghostraptor2068]

Nice

[@TheSoulGage]

It really sucks cause what made Guardians stand out was it's comedy and how the characters flowed with it. Now its the average comedy for the MCU. Its worked at times like the Guardians meeting Tony, Strange, & Peter in Infinity War, but they were few and far between. Because what some writers didn't understand is tone, restraint, the point of it, or even the fact that not every character works with comedy.

[@dylansharp8471]

Bullcrap. I don't see it like that.

[@mrarcade2504]

Only groot could make a man like Billy Butcher cry

[@aaronjohnson8490]

Was just searching for something on this exact topic! Thank you for this! Don’t know who would or could do this, but I’d love like a 3 hr video on the evolution of Marvel humor, especially post Guardians

[@meee_5155]

For the anime fans out there, the argument here is that guardians did to superhero movies what madoka magica did to magical girl shows, or what mushoku tensei did to isekai. It itself was very good, but other movies copied all the wrong things and led to a decline across the whole genre

[@nerfret]

The thing about GOTG is that the humor hits at the right moments and the it's not overly corny like the rest of the MCU movies. Spider-man 2 is an amazing movie, I loved that movie as a kid and looking back at it it's excellently paced with the right humor, redemption, and good plot. When Quill was listening to 10cc with his mother on her deathbed that was some deep stuff. His Mom making those Awesome Mixtapes Vol 1 & 2 is such a sentimental and amazing idea. Absolutely amazing idea to put into a movie. Not only can the audience see and understand how much music meant to Quill, but they can listen to it all too. Every single one of those songs has meaning to Quill, the rest of the Guardians, and the movies. Brandy, Come and Get Your Love, Father & Son, Ain't No Mountain High Enough, The Chain, etc... All those songs go perfectly with the scenes and the story and overall vibe. It's awesome. When Quill's Mom and Dad are driving in that fast car and Brandy plays in the background and they get to that super retro 80s Dairy Queen that just pumps you with awesome nostalgia and an overall happy and cool mood. It's very well done and gives me the same feelings that Stranger Things does with that old retro nostalgia. The other MCU movies don't even come close to that kind of stuff. GOTG makes a lasting impact. It gives you music and a story with fleshed out characters that grow throughout the movies. It gives you a meaningful soundtrack that you can take with you for the rest of your life. I always listen to the soundtracks, I have fond memories tied with them. It's a complete experience and they will always be my favorite Marvel movies. Some of my favorite movies period.

[@tonyg3644]

I couldn’t agree more with you! All the GOTG movies have made an impact on me. I love them all! 🤙🏻🚀

[@eikrzatarra7867]

Totally agree. Every movie that came after the first GOTG tried so hard to evoke the same charm and success that Gunn had accomplished with his group of misfits. Hopefully with the newest GOTG pushing the boundries with it's latest movie; Marvel will learn once again that it doesn't have to underestimate it's audience.

[@dylansharp8471]

False for the first part.

[@Hepheat75]

Keep up the good work, I enjoy these videos.

[@Robman92]

First time seeing your channel and I love the Internet Historian-inspired clip art editing! Very fun and well made! Great video!

[@seqka711]

I binged all the MCU (up to Endgame) a few months ago, and I could see the downward shift in trajectory. The funny thing works with some characters and doesn’t with others. I had zero expectations for Guardians of the Galaxy but it was so much better than the rest of the movies (except maybe Iron Man 1) that it was shocking. I even watched the Christmas special and vol 3 in theatres despite not being fully caught up because these characters are so good

[@thatkiddanny]

Guardians of the Galaxy sets the bar so high that it's impossible to beat it lmao.

[@glassystudio]

What makes guardian of galaxy great is their characters and their relationship with each other.. They give sense of togetherness and family

[@Guat231]

I broke out in laughter when spider man tripped and said my back💀💀

[@requiemagent3014]

You are not wrong that the MCU still makes money but mainly in the foreign market now. Aka china. Domestically those movies have tanked and only make a fraction nowadays.

[@adamgrogan1587]

They only got back in China earlier this year.

[@da-be-ju]

No Marvel movies were released in China between Endgame and Wakanda Forever & Quantumania.

[@JayFingers]

This is incorrect.

[@Lidoe]

I’m genuinely confused by how the russos were able to fail so horribly with the comedy when they came off of community and gunn came off of scooby doo 🤣

[@Dikbeeg]

Scooby doo funny asf

[@pr0xi_zura.]

4:49 Swear to God I thought you were going to do the “We are Family” edit. Still the funniest Bit ever and got me to subscribe

[@Shift_Salt]

And then the MCU ruined James Gunn's ideas for Guardians of The Galaxy with Infinity War

[@loganfisher3431]

And he STILL made it work

[@JayFingers]

I don’t disagree about the humor - but I think it’s more Whedon’s influence from the first “Avengers” (the real Patient Zero) than the first “Guardians.”

[@anthonysmurthwaite6258]

The only issue I have with guardians 1 is that Ronin is a very mediocre villain

[@rogueguardian]

That was probably intentional since technically the first guardians film is establishing them as a team.

[@OfficialBillC]

@@rogueguardianexactly, that’s what people don’t understand

[@beedawgg7304]

man, that spiderman 2 transition you did gave me chills

[@kwestionablplus]

The suicide squad was so damn good, it made me rewatch james gunns other super hero movies in GTG 1-3, all of them so good!!

[@RealmJD]

My personal term for this phenomenon is "franchise-ruiningly good." Thanks for the vid, man. Always a fun ride.

[@lillipton8838]

Guardians ruined the MCU by being the only good movies in the MCU

[@NobleRaider]

Lmao ok How can someone be so wrong

[@2000sancho]

Guardians is funny but also serious thats what the other movies lack

[@Gentlemenpickleesq.]

Couldn't agree more! It was like, right after gotg EVERY MARVEL movie had to have 80s classic rock music...! It works for gotg because that was Gunn's style and Star Lord literally carries a Walkman.

[@Rampy]

I'd honestly pretty much watch anything you upload Alex. Can't imagine the hours of editing each of thes videos must take, even if it's only for a tiny gag. Massive props to you!

[@ReadytoDiveIn]

HOLD ON THIS IS A GREAT MOVIE

[@bomberman9296]

9:00 the music its taking me to heaven

[@dcrawley507]

When the original movie came out I had no interest in seeing it because I had no idea who they were but I went with my brothers and ended up loving it

[@jim-es8qk]

I used to love marvel comics when i was young, the best ones were special. They had the ability to transport you to a completely different time and space. Guardians of the galaxy is unique, it managed to recreate that feeling in a 2 hour film. No other comic film has achieved this.

[@DanteYewToob]

What made Guardians and phase 1 funny is that certain characters like Peter and Tony are loveable assholes who don’t take anything seriously and clash with the personalities of the other characters. It doesn’t work when everyone is the funny guy. Peter is funny because Gamora isn’t, Tony is funny because he makes inappropriate jokes at inappropriate times, but when you have Thor and Hulk, and everyone else throwing out jokes… it kinda ruins the dynamic of the original funny characters. Other writers failed to notice that a character can be funny without being a jokester. Groot is funny because he’s so earnest and straightforward, Drax is funny because he’s struggling to find himself and understand new things, Nebula is funny because she’s so goddamn serious and angry… they don’t all just blurt out jokes… they make the whole situation funny by being themselves. When Drax does something hilarious it’s not because he just made a quippy one liner, but because he did a weird thing and we know that Rocket probably tricked him into doing and we laugh because we know Rocket is a little tricksy asshole and Drax is gullible enough to believe he can be so still he’s invisible because why would his friend lie?! That’s what makes it funny. Character development = Comedy. The jokes all have extra layers because of how well developed the other characters are! You don’t need 6 comedians if the characters are well written. Like the “Language” scene.. that’s a prime example of the Avengers being funny because of character. It’s a very Cap thing to do, and everyone picks on him for it. They should have stuck to that sort of comedy.

[@blue1133]

10:26 I'm honestly surprised people still mistake Mr. Electric from Sharkboy and Lavagirl with Spy Kids lol

[@MerpyJoe]

Guardians of the Galaxy also undercuts one of the most emotional moment in the entire film with a joke. After the Guardians decide to fight Ronan and Drax says a line that never fails to make me cry Rocket undercuts the emotional moment with a joke. How is this any different from what Doctor Strange does?

[@da-be-ju]

Cherrypicking.

[@da-be-ju]

The video cherrypicks to fit the argument.

[@RayneLovesMovies]

Exactly, that's the thing - it worked in this very specific case because all of the Guardians are basically so far gone when it comes to personal issues that they shouldn't even work as a team. Rocket uses a lot of his humor to keep everyone at arms length just to not get hurt, so it worked in that specific scene, making him deliberately ruin that moment just so he could get himself to even do something this insane because if that moment isn't taken seriously, it can't kill you, right? Flawed thinking, of course, but sometimes humor is the only thing that keeps you going through trauma. The rest of the screenwriters saw that that specific scene struck a cord with a lot of movie goers and tried to replicate it only to fail miserably because it wasn't the fact that the serious scene was undercut that made it work - it was by who it was undercut which made it make sense from a character writing standpoint. Therefore, the very specific humor that is used in GOTG works ONLY for GOTG and if applied to the rest of the MCU without care - well, phase 4 happens.

[@mattthestormtrooper3239]

2:20 Finally, i'm not the only one who supports Iron Man 3 being good

[@Real_DvD]

Fr

[@Kankerpatient123]

That spiderman 2 edit with the music gave me goosebumps bro. The nostalgia

[@gerrymanderson557]

Do you edit all of these on your own? How do you do it?

[@TheSirAzzur]

Completely agree. Well thought out explanation. I would only say this... The films need better writing, and less identity politics.

[@Person-wz6iy]

0:51, 4:34. I like to think that during the Blip, Rocket spent his days hanging out with James Blackwood, the Racoon Whisperer 10:07.

[@venw.3655]

"Infinite War has the best villain in the entire franchise." Gaurdians 3's High Evolutionary: "Wanna run that by me again?"

[@l_a_n_k_y]

Hey, that HMV within the first 40 seconds was my local one in Coventry haha.

[@Celtic1020]

Is anybody gonna tell him that Spider-Man 2 goes from him getting his powers back to him falling on a car as a gag?

[@Nonamearisto]

Honestly, I cannot agree. The only post GoTG movies to try to be like Guardians were Thors 3 and 4. Ragnarok did a decent job of integrating that type of humor, but Love And Thunder fell flat on its face, despite actually having the Guardians in it early on.

[@Assassinboy8084fun]

All three of the guardians movies still make me cry. Not even the sad scenes, but even the scenes where it’s happy/bittersweet. - Vol. 1 where Peter opens his mom’s final gift and tears up to “Aint No Mountain High Enough” - Vol. 2 Yondu’s ravager funeral - Vol. 3 everyone on knowhere dancing and the movie ending with rocket

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Am I going to be murdered if I ever get into Marvel and DC?

[@jolyproductions]

that was actually a really good video, was hooked the entire time! well done

[@CraigLim-oc3vi]

That's how successes happens. People just try to bee that thing without thinking why it works. Honestly they could take inspiration as long as they write what feels right for their projects especially for visionaries or people passionate about their work.

[@Molockyy]

Make a vid abt the 2021 gotg game, or just any video tbh (you make top tier content)

[@zacky1312]

It never fails to make me chuckle over how most marvel movie video essays always begin with the creator prevents the audience to hit the dislike button on the beginning of every video.

[@_knucklehead]

8:42 actually gave me chills. Also, great editing skills! This was very entertaining to watch!

[@piero19595]

didn't disliked for the title, disliked for the bait

[@leviettri3576]

3:16 Ayy didn't expect the Akibaranger clip in this video, nice

[@txt5220]

Your editing and humor is impeccable

[@themimsy]

When are you gonna do a video on the gotg video game

[@heypal8072]

I will be the first to admit I didn't think much of GOTG at first as I had barely heard of their franchice as a casual 13 year old comic fan. And the only thing that came to my mind when hearing the name James Gunn was the already forgotten game 'Lollipop Chainsaw'. The first(and follow ups) had so much heart and creativity. Was fun to watch instead of the usual formula of: action, dialogue, dialogue, action, dialogue, action, end. We witnessed what a superhero movie could be. Now it seems thats all a superhero movie tries to be.

[@petrahalbur476]

I was hoping you'd mention GotG vol 3 and then at the last second ....... 👌

[@VascovanZeller]

While I agree with the central argument, it's odd to me that you pin the blame on gotg, when for me this issue was always present since avengers, being often described as "wheedonesque" dialog often. Also if you've seen taika wakiki movies before you know that Thor 3 would always end up the way it did - that's just what taika does. So really this was more or less alyays present in the mcu and gotg is just a data point in an existing trend. Baller video, though. Cheers

[@lankerator]

I kinda agree since after guardians most mcu movies follow that same formula but the quippyness from i video i saw talked about how it started with the avengers and every character being a joss whedon character

[@turtleninja16tn66]

The callback to the what are those meme was pretty funny though.

[@zekro9794]

being honest though, if peter tripped after accepting being spiderman, it wouldve been pretty funny.

[@Taraku43]

Guardians 1 was meant to make you understand the characters by laughing with them, Guardians 2 is there to make you feel for them, tho Guardians 3 is there to make you cry with them. They have fully earned the right to be funny, as they won't undermine some serious moment with comedy, and if they do, it still leads to something greater. Spoiler warning for Guardians 3 but I am just gonna name an example. Like the end of Guardians 3 before the big hallway fight scene, it was built up as "Save Mantis, Drax and Nebula", and not much aside from that. But as they freed themselfs, it was both a funny yet still serious moment, as right after it leads to "Save the kids". And even then, they kept going further by leading to the one of the most emotional scenes of the movie where Rocket finds the animal's, all of that still has some comedic shots in between sure, but you won't get taken out of the scene during that. You are still glued to the scene and are tensed up from head to toe. The comedy isn't the focus of the scene, the emotion is