Why Hardcore Punk was so important | The Underground

Hope you guys enjoy this new series that I’ve put together! Thank you all so much for watching!
DISCLAIMER this series/video is NOT intended to be a deep dive. If you would like to learn more about the punk/hardcore subculture - I would highly recommend you check out the channel Punk Rock MBA - whom makes fantastic videos (way more detailed than this one) about any and everything punk related.
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[@michaelwoodward5787]

Hardcore changed my life as a teen. Taught me to question everything.

[@sleepragent_]

im a teen and i have recently got into hc punk and its teaching me to turn the anger i have towards the system and how it treats ppl into compassion for those around me. i love hc so much and its helping me through the stuff im going thru rn

[@jmiller08]

I think it’s also good to control your anger. Some anger is good, but not to get upset at a lot of things (coming from another teen)

[@richmom]

@@sleepragent_ good luck to you my friend, you'll pull through!! 🙇‍♂🙇‍♂

[@infectedgoat7775]

“Now I know how it feels to fly My eyes are wide open and my soul's on fire All those years I was living a lie But last night Hardcore saved my life” -WISDOM IN CHAINS‘Chasing the Dragon’

[@Oliviux78]

@@sleepragent_ Yeah. The system (government) is definitely fucked right now. I can definitely see the rage at this point.

[@gavinshickle1814]

A friend of mine once said that hardcore taught him about compassion. This has stuck with me ever since.

[@superunknown2812]

Interesting.

[@andreaorofalo]

Jesus taught the same.

[@knutsenneundorf116]

I think this quote is from Ian Mackaye: Hardcore is about fighting bullshit.

[@notgoingdownwithoutafight1606]

I'm an old hardcore punk and still actively playing and writing music. It's amazing how many 20 somethings are into this stuff 40 years on

[@richmom]

we'll make sure the flame keeps going on! it's too important to fall into obscurity! cheers from ATL brotha 🤝🤝

[@Floral_Green]

I’m a 27-year-old from the UK and it’s been my favourite kind of music/scene since the age of 16. Funny to think that an ex getting me a copy of ‘American Hardcore: A Tribal History’ completely sealed the trajectory of my tastes from thenceforth. Will always have a place in my heart.

[@jeremypickett6610]

10-15 years ago, if you went to a show, say Black Flag, Circle Jerks, etc, it was only us old dudes there soaking up the nostalgia. A couple weeks ago at a Circle Jerks show, at least 25% of the crowd were under 30. I was caught off guard

[@gregc6072]

….im 58, been listening/go to shows/been loyal to the scene since the late 80’s 💪🏻😎

[@TheUnholyPosole]

​@@gregc6072...how, I've been in since the 90's, and all I see are larpers, playing dress up. Literally zero punk bands called out the Govt in 2021, and they won't even call out politics. It's all a joke. It's just entertainers, entertaining for money, pretending to be radical.

[@leohirsch5056]

my band is signing to alternative tentacles, so stoked to see the mention

[@richmom]

congratulations man! that's awesome for you guys!

[@bYtealiEnSzen]

Congrats! What's the name of the band?

[@akakizz]

No mention of Boston hardcore, SSD, DYS, Gang Green, Jerry’s Kids, and others! Otherwise, good little intro video to hc

[@CamBoone]

Jerry’s Kids is one of my favorite groups

[@Captain_Calcium]

Have you tried crying about it harder?

[@Damon0mania]

Watch it again for your SSD shot.

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

no doubt what Abt early FSU bands too? Mighty Mighty Boss tones had HC kids going to see them too back in the early/mid 90s. crazy as hell dude FSU went from being a hate-edge crew beating up kids who smoke cigs & stomping then robbing dope dealers, and NOW down in the southern states their chapters are the ones selling dope😅 and Elgin James is a Hollywood producer somehow? did he film/produce the Boston Beatdown DVD ???? I'm sure you've seen that if ur from that scene bro.

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

​@@Damon0maniaI caught that too lol

[@mr_ozzio5095]

The UK had hardcore as well from the late 70s, Discharge - GBH - Crass - The Varukers - Chaos UK - Napalm Death(81-83) Just to mention a few... Thatcher and Reagan were both pedalling the same rhetoric, the 1985 Brixton Riots in London are a perfect example!

[@willieluncheonette5843]

GBH, Crass, Varukers, Chaos UK are hardcore? To me they are pure punk

[@AndersPack]

@@willieluncheonette5843 Apart from Crass I agree with you, I'd call them HC personally, if you include GBH you should prob. include Exploited as HC and I doubt anyone claims they are. (easy way to determine would be if skins were allowed at the concert IMO.. :P )

[@willieluncheonette5843]

@@AndersPack Plus those bands are not from the late 70's....they are from the 80. There were VERY few HC songs from the 70's. Black Flag and Ter Middle Class come to mind here in USA .

[@AndersPack]

@@willieluncheonette5843 Exploited were late 70's but, yeah there weren't really much HC around back then, Oi! also grew quite a lot bigger and faster in the UK (that scene o/c included more than just pure music - here in Sweden we got Asta Kask and similar'ish as the second wave)

[@Aurora2097]

Jup. GBH, Discharge, Exploited and the lot were and are Hc Punk. Very different from 77 punk rock! But sometime near the late 80ies the scene split up into gutter and peacock Punks who were into the Mohawk bands and skinheaded jocks who were into the "New School". Only Hardcore, not Punk anymore.They hated Punks.

[@EncoreASMR]

Metalheads will never admit it, but hardcore punk influenced metal heavily

[@antondzajajurca7797]

As an old metalhead I can say - nonesense . Crossover, thrash, death metal and grindcore are "purest" expression of metal (with of course classical heavy metal ) :)

[@putridabomination]

"they'll never admit it" yeah sure people who know their stuff are more than aware of the genres roots, and the subgenres/microgenres that are full of punk influence

[@tracenewbolds2573]

As a metalhead that has been in 2 punk bands that fell in love with hardcore punk and just punk rock altogether,I can say that punk rock is a huge influence on my playing and music tastes. The "don't just settle with some shit" and DIY attitude got me really far in life. I have had many metalhead friends or just friends that think my music is just noise tell me "that shit sucks" then I even used to bring people to shows my old band would have mostly illegal shows or basements etc and then hear em tell me "man that was awesome and fun" 😂

[@Jmack7861]

@@antondzajajurca7797you listed two hxc genres when listing “purest expressions of metal” There’s no shame in admitting you like multiple genres or that other genres influenced your favorite genre.

[@ulfhednar9304]

Grindcore yes, but that's about it.

[@tomayres534]

heard ian mackaye in an interview recently talk about how the straight edge lyrics got massively misinterpreted and over done , like for example when he said ‘don’t drink don’t smoke don’t fuck’ he was really referencing excessive alcoholism/ smoking , and conquest sex rather than advocating for complete abstinence from those things and it was never an intention to start the straight edge movement

[@tomayres534]

the interview was on Joe Puggs podcast, don’t have the name off the top of my head but definitely have a look if you’re interested it’s a great interview

[@Aurora2097]

Still sxe maybe saved my life. I got into too muxh self-destructive drinking. I needed a complete cut and sxe provided a safe space to do that.

[@tomayres534]

@@Aurora2097absolutely, even tho it was an accidental movement , that doesn’t take away from the impact it had and especially the way it pulled a lot of people out of self destructive cycles. glad to hear it pulled you up dude

[@Cancel-Flip]

Me and my friends had a shitty hardcore band back in high school. We only wrote 5 songs, never recorded anything, and only played 3 shows in our small town. it was so much fun

[@grimetimes1]

I’m an Oxnard local and I’m glad to see NARDCORE getting some acknowledgment. It often gets overlooked when talking about Southern California HC. But the reach in the area is still felt to this day. When I knew it had a real impact is when Slayer decided to cover Dr. Know’s Mr. Freeze and put it on Undisputed Attitude album. The fact that a big thrash metal band was listening to a local HC band from Oxnard was awesome

[@KManLeos]

Ill Repute were dope!

[@PUNKROCKGREENY]

I found this interesting, well made and well paced. Good referencing in the description too. Similarly after the first wave in the UK, it was followed by a hardcore variation - Discharge for instance in 79. Great stuff. - I look forward to more.

[@bYtealiEnSzen]

Overlooked bands in NYC: Kraut, The Nihilistics, No Thanks, False Prophets, The Mob, Heart Attack (Jesse Malin's band). The skinhead element arrived a little later in the NYC scene. In Chicago Articles of Faith was an early punk hardcore fusion band. Punk Rock Saves Lives is a great organization today available at many shows. Met them at the Muddy Roots festival last year: Great People. Back in the 80's Rock Against Reagan was a rock and rolling Yippie force to be reckoned with, shows from the flatbed truck!!!. Maximum Rock and Roll out of San Fran was a pivotal in the scene. They had independent hardcore punk reports from all over the country (and then world) that would write in and talk about the bands in their city zines. It was every band managers bible for trying to get contacts in a webless world. I went to NYC on the "eve" of the arrival of The Clash. The anticipation was palpable. It was the beatlemanía for punk rockers!

[@IsmJism]

Yea - The Mob; Also - Big Apple: Rotten To The core comp

[@kai_plays_khomus]

HC saved my life. Twice. I expected a superficial cliché ridden Wikipedia entry summary when I clicked the thumbnail - and what I got instead was another realization of personal bias instead, something I thoroughly enjoy because HC made me strive for being a little less wrong in the evening than I had been in the morning. I don't think you could have made a better video about the origins of Hardcore within the given amount of time, not omitting the differences of the various local scenes while still not getting lost in specifics but putting your attention on the shared mindset, the underlying ethos making it one larger scene in spite of at times considerable differences on a local level. And though it carries a ton of aggression its underlying message is still empowering af - I don't even want to know how many suicides had been prevented because a desperate individual stumbled over Hatebreed's "Perseverance" LP..

[@richmom]

thank you so much!! long live HC & cheers from ATL!

[@gorefist3907]

Thank you for this. As a 50 year old who experienced the CBGE NYHC scene back in the day I never gave thought as a child outside my area. This has been educational. Please keep this going.

[@madzen112]

That international network hidden from view was the thing that really impressed me when I first encountered hardcore, a true parallel universe.

[@PatBrennan24]

Great video! Would love to see a deeper dive into the history of each region. The historical/political connection to hardcore is fascinating to me. I feel like we should be taking notes... history is echoing to us from the Reagan era right now!

[@richmom]

I would love to do a proper deep dive! Punk & hardcore is something that's shifted my life since a very young age, & once I have the proper budgeting, equipment & team I wouldn't mind throwing out a multi part miniseries going super deep into the history!!

[@durthed]

The most hardcore appearing punks, are often the least punk rock in their music and philosophy. And playing in a hc band is 2 jobs: 1 - paying for instruments, rehearsal space, hard copies of releases and self promotion. 2 - playing the gigs themselves. This is what I've learned being 60 and breaking into the scene in '79. Nothing more satisfying exists! OI OI OI Cheers!!

[@shoeshane6494]

The Germs needed to be mentioned. They were arguably the earliest hardcore punk band, and were highly influential to quintessential punk artists like Poison Idea.

[@kr-yh4nj]

Earliest? That would be the middle class then germs and bad brains with their black dots sessions

[@IsmJism]

Yea - PIdea w/Tiny Tim gunshot on cover

[@Leshiy.]

Thanks for making this 🤘🤘

[@hysterikole1]

I'm a hardcore kid from the '80's (yup, Im still a kid) . Decent vid. Brings back memories.

[@cornnflaek3271]

Phenomenal video man!

[@richmom]

thank you so much!!

[@poorboy59]

many thanks for this great video on HARDCORE PUNK...i'm italian and 65 years old...i search my old single of MIDDLE CLASS and i here... "WORLD UBER ALLES !"... Antonio

[@soundofhistory_]

Great video! I'm excited to see the rest of the series

[@richmom]

thank you very much!!

[@NicholasTanek]

Well done. It was important that you wrapped it up stating how influential the scene was.

[@richmom]

thank you!!

[@colonelkilling2425]

Great video!

[@obnoxious-cackle]

3:47 not even four minutes in, but as someone born and raised in Ventura County I LOVE that you brought up Nardcore 🤘🏻

[@richmom]

of course my brotha 🤝🤝

[@CamBoone]

I love 80’s hardcore so much, I’m almost positive there will be a reprise of the style on TikTok or whatever the big social media is in the next 10 years

[@sunnohh]

Been into diy hardcore for 20 years and it’s never been bigger…

[@richmom]

so true!! there's such a huge resurgence going on right now!

[@clstile]

Texas seems to be the new hub for the younger generation of hardcore right now

[@camdencantwell846]

I’d say we’re at least partially there! bands like scowl and jivebomb seem to be inspired by negative approach pretty hard

[@disbarge9862]

Scowl was on tour with negative approach last summer so..

[@MrMmnngghh]

Both the late seventies punk and early eighties hardcore style scenes are alive and well in Melbourne, Australia. Not only are they thriving, they're organising shows together as one scene. We played a DIY gig at an abandoned industrial facility with four bands half our age. Of course it depends at least a bit on where you or your scene happens to be on the globe. In our corner of the world, the current / next generation have got this.

[@richmom]

super sick! I only know about a couple few modern punk acts from Australia like Amyl & The Sniffers & The Chats, do you have any other recommendations?

[@danfurtado9158]

That's lit bro I listened to a lotta hardcore screamo and then the scene bands I grew up too. In USA idk in central California probably never was a scebe. In the Us for the most part underground rap kinda fills that role for people younger than me but I still rock with it

[@aotctd]

@@richmom They literally Cosplay us That is Imitation You all look like Wannabes

[@aotctd]

They literally imitate No Own Identity Culture Vultures

[@aotctd]

@@danfurtado9158 Stop attaching that Garbage to Our Cultures

[@themichael3105]

This is brilliant. Cheers

[@richmom]

thank you so much!!

[@UkY71]

Damn how do you only have 1k subs ?!! This was beautifully researched , well structured and nicely edited with your own style !!! Good job bro

[@richmom]

one day we'll be big!!

[@aotctd]

@@richmom You Imitators already are Hijacking People's Cultures You All Have Nothing To Do With You are the mainstream Cosplayers

[@LaurenOliviArt]

Great video dude!! ❤ subscribed

[@richmom]

thank you so much!!

[@stankosick4558]

Great 14 minute documentary! It was a great time to be alive. Hardcore (Punk in general) attracted me in 84 and my sister is still amazed that it is in my rotation 40 years later. However, if I may be permitted to add constructive criticism: the is premise is why hardcore was/is important so should spend less on time on the origins and particular bands and more how the music/scene demonstrated its inclusiveness, how indies could tour etc...

[@liluf0728]

NYHC for life ❤️ great video

[@SBpunx-el2bw]

Pretty cool video

[@Damon0mania]

I appreciate the way ya mentioned something I've been saying for over 25 years now, and that's the world we live in today never would have come to exist if not for the initial DIY HC scenes of the early 80's. Grammas are "zine editors" with their cool handles on social media now. Everyone's an "entrepreneur" in advertising with less commitment than a kid stealing a stack of flyers from a copy shop back in the day to promote a show, demo, or other pop up community event. Not sayin' it's any good. In fact, it seems the divisiveness has only gotten worse since the good ol' days of Reagan Era Hardcore. Where did we all go so wrong lol we were punks duh🎉🎉🎉

[@sanchovilla1342]

What about the San Diego scene? Don't leave us out. Acid Bath, Battalian of Saints, Manifest Destiny, Caustic Uproar and many many more

[@viniciuslima-sn5un]

great video

[@richmom]

thank you!!

[@ClaytonMacleod]

Barely mention DOA, which is where the term hardcore originated. (They played some shows just a few weeks back!)

[@johnchedsey1306]

Two of my BC friends are DOA's backing band now. It was a real highlight a couple years ago to have dinner with them and Joe Keithley, who is one of the coolest people ever.

[@ClaytonMacleod]

@@johnchedsey1306 Yeah, he's always pretty nice when I see them for their Vancouver Island shows. I recorded a few of them, which are on my channel somewhere.

[@bYtealiEnSzen]

Stret Marks were an early band from the Canada scene.

[@RyanGriswold-og7ey]

Dont forget michigan. Some of the earliest punk and hardcore punk bands came from michigsn. The fix,the meatmen,the latin dogs,necros,and many more were doing hardcore punk as early as 78 and 79 as well.

[@y_magaming9798]

Without hardcore there's no extreme metal, no thrash, no black metal, no cross over, no grindcore nothing. I wouldn't exist without hardcore. A lot of us wouldn't be here without hardcore.

[@mrnordyk1125]

👍G Video Hungry for more about😁 Part2 please. More about HC Punk subgenres and fusiongenres, from 80's too this times. And more about HC influences on independent scene. World wide. Thnx Mom😎

[@richmom]

no problem! can't wait to do more!!

[@mrnordyk1125]

@@richmom Awensome! 👍🤞🏻😎

[@aotctd]

Leave Our Cultures alone Just talk about the Imitators 😁

[@FlukeStarb]

missed boston hc a little bit, still nice vid...

[@Squad21Photography]

You should make a video highlighting Boston hardcore

[@sebastianHG__]

good shit man

[@richmom]

thank you brotha 🤝

[@DiabeI1312]

damn the editing is amazing

[@richmom]

thank you!!

[@varo2brazy]

Crazy how a Uber at 1am lead to me meeting a friend of bad brains

[@oso5812]

This was a good video 👍

[@richmom]

Thanks!

[@jimstanley7786]

Don't forget the UK hardcore scene!

[@Gonyos]

This need to be made

[@CarlosEduardo-mn4wj]

Nice video man, spread the word

[@richmom]

thank you!!

[@aotctd]

NO STOP ATTACHING TO OUR CULTURES TELL Y O U R O W N STORIES

[@Jeremy-in2px]

The MidWest and Texas had scenes with bands that contributed to the movement of the 80's as well,Underground Punk & Metal were typically intertwined with skateboarding...Glory Daze...

[@chrisbrown6642]

This makes a lot of great points and is totally cool but it's socal heavy leaving out the midwest entirely and most of the rest of the east coast as well, besides DC and NY. All that aside, a decent introduction to those learning about the past

[@promongopusher7515]

gr8 essay my fren

[@richmom]

thank you very much 🤝

[@danplaysguitar6706]

Greg Ginn professional waste man, I love it

[@ramiromares7617]

Texas had its own. Queercore skate rock bands like Big Boys, the Dicks, Butthole Surfers, the Huns. Just to name a few. All had an influence on the bands mentioned in the video.

[@richmom]

i know butthole surfers but I'll have to check out the rest!!

[@fuzzedout5324]

The Damned were initially signed to Stiff records, which were not a major record label

[@alejandrovasquez7871]

No mention of Boston straight edge HC it's a crime. But in general good video

[@brak54321]

Great video. Hardcore Punk is the most inspiring of genres. Keep it Rich Mom.

[@richmom]

thank you!!

[@livvyyyyyyyyyyy]

One of the main reasons I even learned or found out about punk and hardcore was because the 90s alternative rock I enjoy (mainly grunge and riot grrl) stemmed from punk (and some argue it was a form of punk in the decade). It seems pretty influential with how many alt rockers in the 90s seem to be inspired by punk rock, almost creating a new thing from it.

[@aotctd]

Grunge Generation is 80's Alt Generation 90s Was The Commercialisation

[@aotctd]

Also the Uploader Imitates Our styles Styles Also Tied To Our Parent's Cultures

[@richardbeatch6675]

No mention of D.O.A. (other than a passing reference)? WTF? Their debut album, Something Better Change, was recorded between 1977 and 1979, being released in early 1980. Clearly a hardcore release. The 1981 follow up, Hardcore '81, was one of, if not the first uses of "hardcore" in print and is, in many ways, a blueprint for much of the 80's hardcore that followed. They are credited by many, notably Rollins himself, as paving the way for the hardcore scene by pioneering the touring paradigm with flophouses and friendly basements across the continent.

[@55tranquility]

I love a bit of hardcore, i grew up skateboarding in the 80s and hardcore was linked particularly the DIY attitude. As a teen hardcore introduced me to anti racism, feminism, not eating animals etc and at the same time with a positive just get up and do it attitude. In the UK there was a kind of cross over with the leather and studs hardcore of Discharge, Napalm Death, Chaos UK etc and the more straight ahead hardcore of bands like The Stupids, False Face, No Way Out etc - i was into the second group. Although I also loved Crass and the SubHumans, it was the music inspired by Minor Threat, Black Flag and Fugazi that we loved.

[@livvyyyyyyyyyyy]

I think it’s really cool how punk influences were also really relevant in the 90s, with movements like grunge and riot grrl/women punk and alternative rock in general having heavy punk influences or almost creating a new wave of punk even though it overall sounded different from the OG hardcore from the 70s and 80s.

[@richmom]

this is fax! the 90's deserves a whole video on its own!

[@livvyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@richmom yes! Would love to see that

[@aotctd]

The Grunge Generation are the 80's alt generation

[@aotctd]

Keep Up

[@aotctd]

@@richmom I think all you Noobs need to stop acting like you are Our Generation or Cultures

[@HANGIN_in_PERRYDISE]

changed my life forever back in 1979 60 now and still hardcore thru and thru

[@JpBoudreaux]

Not a single mention. If Southern hardcore, which is a beast all its own.

[@TheDeathSquad]

Missed San Diego in the SoCal portion…. battalion of saints

[@KattMurr]

Troy Core was big in upstate New York...

[@nicholaslafond6662]

That was mostly in the '90s though.

[@devongiguere3721]

My first time watching any of your videos personally and I really like the idea of this series. I would love if you did make them a bit longer. I feel like there is so much to learn

[@FelonDeGeneres]

As someone who's been going to shows for almost twenty years, this was the greatest surface level representation of this history, and incredibly impressive that it achieves that in the length of this video (standard YT attention span length). I'd even venture to say this less then fifteen minute video does more justice for old Hardcore than the movie American Hardcore, which barely discusses the East Coast with way too much focus on the West Coast community, bands, and culture. Unfortunately, the NYHC scene would prove to be more conservative as opposed to their peers nearly everywhere else, and would adopt an "America first" attitude going into the 80s. Unfortunately other problematic matters would arise from NY going towards the 90s.

[@richmom]

thank you! it was incredibly tough to give equal space to the super deep history of the genre but I'm glad you enjoyed it!!

[@IsmJism]

I'm from NYC - Tell me about it - No mention of A7 Club where Bad Brains & countless others got their start

[@FelonDeGeneres]

@@IsmJism this was a brief once over. If this was a full on documentary, you wouldn't be wrong.

[@itsMrNoble]

Amazing to make a video about hardcore and mention Ian Mackaye and to get his name wrong.

[@user-mt2pb1uc5i]

great video . dude do more 😊

[@richmom]

more coming soon!!

[@user-mt2pb1uc5i]

@@richmom cant w8 . hardcore punker for life . greetings from greece . this genre of music it still is so influential all over the world

[@richmom]

@@user-mt2pb1uc5i in that case Γεια!! cheers from the States!

[@NSG27]

You never mentioned The Germs, Screamers, Weirdos etc for the LA scene.

[@Shadowbannddiscourse]

Cool video but there are 2 places you forgot even when mentioning LA county that were important, Hollywood and East LA . Bands likenthe Germs and the Bags ( hollywood) and East LA ( Stains ) were important .Also , Out of Vogue was released in 78. Ita crazy between 78-79 many bands started playing faster middle Class Bad Brains , the Hates etc. . The Damned was playing fast from the get go .which I'm sure had an influence. It was all punk rock back then I dig your Rod Serling Twilight zone intro

[@richmom]

🙌🙌🙌

[@aotctd]

@@richmom You weren't there

[@danplaysguitar6706]

id love to see a video on goth!

[@richmom]

will do!

[@aotctd]

Why is your generation rehashing ALL of Our $hit ? You are like the regurgitation Generation ?

[@maddog.mcewan]

YES YES YES YES !!!!!

[@maddog.mcewan]

also pay homage to UK and European Hardcore - it was not all USA

[@richmom]

@@maddog.mcewan this is fax! they deserve a whole video on their own!!

[@GotteHeavyMetalZamurai]

Blast - Damned Flame / Hope is the first hardcore punk release. 1973

[@yattmanntatt3360]

Hard Core and D-Beat like Romeo and Juliet

[@mikefarrell4742]

To the point. No frills…no fat. Efficient and interesting. Not to mention this is exactly how I recall it

[@tysonpowell9335]

How about The Stimulators being one of the originators of HC?

[@tristarperfecta1061]

Shoutout to Fugazi and Jawbox from DC

[@kmfdm5]

Technically post punk rose from the ashes of punk. Goth was just a byproduct of that movement combined with a more progressive movement of the glam rock movement known as the neoromantic movement which included artists like Adam and the ants

[@HikingHalfdead]

Great music a lot of it grew up on it now looking back at systems and how they work I realize it was just a pressure release valve for impotent rage which accomplished nothing.

[@herryhubert2706]

Nice video overall, but I do not agree with some of the statements in the beginning. First early british punk didn't go down, the way you say it. And it were only the biggest names who got signed to major labels. Also because the were unaware. They had to make way to a whole new concept of making music. There were quite a few smaller labels in britain as well. Even in the Netherlands, where I come from, there were independent labels. Usually the relied on the biggers companies for distribution. I think the main difference between old european punk and us hardcore is the fact that european punk was mainly working class. For as far as bands go, you mainly mention the bigger hardcore bands as well. We had even more independent hardcore bands coming over from the US to Europe, for whom it was a real gamble to (financially) make it. Having those dudes staying in our house, it became one big international network. Bands like Toxic Reasons, Crucifix, MDC, to name a few were more important for the underground scene, than bigger acts like Dead Kennedys or Bad Brains. Also, to me the first american hardcore album was "Make a Record" by the Suicide Commandos. Eventho it still sounded a bit fragile, the record had the intensity and the characteristics of the later bigger hardcore scene.

[@mghc7]

At 10:42 that is city gardens not LA

[@korymelchior799]

Really enjoyed the video! especially touching on the political aspects of hardcore I think is super important. Would be cool to see another video on modern hardcore acts like drain, turnstile and drug church. I feel there's a new wave of hardcore that lots of people are just discovering

[@richmom]

this is true!! I'd love to do a video on the modern scene one day

[@aotctd]

LoL The Culture Vultures How about you get your own Cultures And ideas ? Those people literally pretend to be Our Generation and Culture and How We Grew Up That is Culture Vulturism

[@nickp.2432]

Crass # 1..

[@anthonyrita4366]

Short to the point is the way to go.❤

[@bayareathrasher666]

Here in the Bay Area, Punks and Metalheads are one tribe

[@richmom]

as it should be! i never understood the hatred between the two sides

[@smakaap]

Doe Hét!

[@qazwer333]

Fun fact. A lot of southern california hardcore is traced back to the damned machine gun etiquette. You can hear it quite a bit in the bands that came after.

[@mramos1126]

I like Reagan

[@diamondsea5300]

HC is fun.

[@ronmelanson4657]

A band called Death. Check it out, from Detroit. Arguably the first punk band. No one talks about these guys. A documentary called just that, A Band Called Death.

[@richmom]

they deserve a whole video of their own

[@brianburt7868]

What happen to East Bay California...

[@williamhiscock4992]

I can't speak for everybody's experience. but I think this might be skewed in retrospective. Through late 70s 80s and probably until the early 90s hard-core wasn't a sub genre of punk. It just meant that you did it every day and you weren't who wore a polo shirt and khakis to school all week to pick on the freaks with your football friends, and then try to show up at the vert ramp with a black flag T-shirt on Saturday and go to the show. I seriously can't remember anybody using the word hard-core as a category prior to the straight edge youth movement.

[@CollapsingRealities]

The Ramones invented hardcore. Just listen to the '76-'77 live versions of 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue', 'I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You' or 'Loudmouth', to name a few. They're much faster than the studio versions. They're hardcore punk.

[@Aurora2097]

I had to get to know Hardcore from an ugly, not very appaling side. There were many competetive tribes in Hardcore, one was very street, very druggy, very anti-social, Hardcore-Punks, lots of Heroin, booze, crime, prison, violence. Most were older guys who looked pretty fucked up but somehow had their younger adepts. Second tribe was the political-hardcore tribe. Mostly student, very middle-class, very elitist, very intolerant and narrow-minded, very much into political correctness and canceling and ostracizing everybody who did not fit inntheir image. But they put up shows and did lots of organising and diy. Third was the popular, trendy tough guy crowd. Big athletic guys with baseball caps and baggy pants and skinhead haircuts and lots of tattoos. Very macho, basically jocks, very sexist, often more than borderline rightwing, into bands like Sick of it all and agmostic front and biohazard.But some of them alsomhad bands and did shows and embraced diy as well. All three tribes hated each other and were largely male. Not nice guys to be around. It was a fucked up scene. I tended to end up with the streetcore guys at first and the pc-core guys later. I got better on with the jock-core guys as they grew older and more relaxed and chill and dropped their sxe thing. The guttercore guys are mostly dead now, though there was a younger generation of crusty kids who pretty tookover that scene and mix it up with the pc-core stuff of the political scene.

[@garyrigby21]

NYC was kinda slow to get into Hardcore! check out my fave New York Hardcore band called No Thanks. none of that "Hard" core Skinhead nonsense . full on early HC

[@chrisbaldock5785]

this is amazing. it probably would have been to long to incorporate the english scene aswell

[@richmom]

this is true! the english scene deserves a whole video on its own

[@aotctd]

@@richmom Why are you attaching to All OUR Cultures ?

[@SpecimenX-9000]

The world will always need punks to challenge the establishment. The alternative is too horrifying to imagine.

[@gabereal917]

I love how involved this comment section is lol

[@aotctd]

Yeah, and without most being involved

[@BGTsoundandvision]

I know you can't get to them all but D.O.A. needs to be mentioned as they blazed the trail that Black Flag and others then followed. I had a front row view for all of it. I have a little problem with some of your conclusions being a little too simplistic but you are not making this video for me. Because I was living this life at the time for me "hardcore" was a much bigger tent than we seem to remember. Things like Husker Du, JG Ballard and Einstürzende Neubauten exist in tandem with so many other things like Survival Research Labs etc...

[@stayradbmx]

Dude, where’s Redd Kross?

[@richmom]

for sure in a future video!