How Post-Punk Saved Punk Rock

[@JukeboxHistory]

Hello All! Just wanted to correct something. In the video I state that the first Public Image album came out in 1979 when it in fact came out in 1978. I actually had it correct in my notes but must have misspoke. Metal Box did come out in 1979 however so that is correct.

[@vaporman442]

It might also be important to mention Pere Ubu was releasing singles in 1975-three years before their first album. Very influential pre-punk post punk.

[@nietzschescodes]

P.I.L.'s first album sounded totally like a Sex Pistols' album. The title song "Public Image" is a pure Sex Pistols' song.

[@PK-gi2qh]

And you dropped the ball by no mention of The Bunnymen. Rookie, young lad's mistake. Time to study up and read some more Son.

[@elroloLive10]

⁠​⁠@@PK-gi2qhExactly! How are you going to bring up U2 and not mention Echo and the Bunnymen, the band that U2 actually copied the most in their early days.

[@heathermuir75]

The Chameleons are highly underrated and have never gotten the credit they deserve.

[@josephcorso5081]

Was scrolling the comments to see if anyone would say the chameleons😊 the expanded editions of the first 3 LPS are amazing

[@JF80001]

HolyS$#%#$ another Chameleons fan dude totaly right , not even sarcasm

[@manhattenman6075]

One of my favourite bands ever

[@MusicMissionary]

Yup that was mine. Changed my life.

[@presence5426]

Because they kept changing. They were hard to rate.

[@theselector4733]

So many GREAT Bands, it's hard to pick one: The Stranglers, Go Betweens, Magazine, XTC, Joy Division etc.... etc..... The one band that brought it all together for me was ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN.

[@edwardduarte7393]

Echo!! Forever!

[@rolandowagner7775]

Agreed, Echo and the Bunnymen is/ was one of the best bands of all time (of all genres) and no question the best of post punk!

[@gracienofsinger7227]

Love this video! My only thing is, I just wish people talked more about The Damned and their impact in both the OG punk and goth/postpunk scene, not to mention Dave Vanian’s influence on goth fashion. They really helped create the bridge between punk and goth alongside and even before bands like Bauhaus. I think they’ve had one of the most musically diverse careers from 1976 to 1986 and I hope you’ll cover them in a future video! 💜

[@deplorabled1695]

The Damned are revered. this fella did a great job in this vid, but yeh The Damned was missed. They are in the canon in the Throne Room of the Punk Gods.

[@jaymz010]

The influence of Reggae in Punk can be traced back to one man - Don Letts ☝🏽 He was part of the Punk scene, was the videographer for The Clash. But also DJ’d the Reggae sound systems in South London. Punk was always upbeat, but when they wanted something to “chill” to, they’d listen to Reggae. This gave rise to Two Tone & Ska-Punk

[@XNobleX]

Thank you for adding this. This is important!

[@gavinreid2741]

He was also the DJ at The Roxy.

[@kurtwaldheim4048]

Letts was the man, no doubt.

[@JacobFeuhrer]

Paul Simonon had as much to do with it as Letts.

[@woody5831]

Fon let's was originally the DJ at first punk club the Roxy he used to play Reggae because until the Damned released New Rose single there was any punk records & Bob Marley was big punk fan hens song Punky Reggae Party

[@markflower8885]

By far the best Post Punk and maybe the most influential band was Killing Joke. Funnily enough the individual members were probably more Punk in their attitudes and day to day lives than any Punk band before them. RIP Raven and Geordie.

[@zackspaulding]

With KJ everything sounded like the last song....repetition.

[@DevvratSingh007]

The Wire exists.

[@MrEwanc]

Oh thank God, 🙏🏾 someone who knows what they are talking about..!✌🏽

[@MrEwanc]

@@zackspaulding you've not been listening or you haven't heard much Killing Joke. They were simply exceptional between 1978 and 1981...

[@kirablackstar6130]

​@@MrEwancThey also released their best album later in their career, 2003's crushing, masterful, self titled album. And even Jaz Coleman himself believes this.

[@amc7185]

Bauhaus. Daniel Ash is my all-time favorite guitarist. Love all of his work.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Ash is so prolific. I feel like he gets overshadowed by Murphy for obvious reasons but man…one of the best of all time

[@edwardduarte7393]

Love and rockets saw them at palladium in Hollywood

[@domdomdominique]

Daniel Ash also influenced my favorites from Japan: Buck-Tick, Imai on guitars and the late Acchan.

[@paravan2000]

No mention of KILLING JOKE? They were THE post-punk making a link between punk, goth, hardcore and metal.

[@J.X.Sanchez777]

Killing Joke transcends most rock genres, can't really pin point what they are which makes them so good

[@Kris_P._Bey_Ken]

They were in a league of their own. They are the true alternative to rock/pop music

[@rinkooo6006]

I def agree that they should’ve been included in this video, their music is really good

[@gavinbuck8130]

Thank you, was really surprised they were overlooked.

[@cejannuzi]

Alive at the time. We had post-punk before we even knew we had punk. That is to say, that what came to be called post-punk drew on influences that pre-dated punk or were already there in punk (but just didn't get that much commercial attention). Everything seemed so much more interesting than things are now. It was like the more things were repressed, suppressed, ignored, reviled, the more interesting the world actually was. You could even go back to the Residents as proto-post-punk, well before there was punk. I could really get into bands that tried to do more commercially--Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels, the Sound, the Chameleons, the Pixies, and Fugazi.

[@kelechi_77]

Post-punk is an arbitrary term, because you can go and listen to Brian Eno's Third Uncle from 1974 and Leejol by Red Krayola from 1968 and they both sound like bands like Gang of Four and Bauhaus were doing in the late 70s

[@robertbright947]

Santa Dog was a favorite Residents song in all its permutations

[@ttomgast1769]

The Gang of 4 and the Comsat Angels always hit that hard to reach sweet spot for me .

[@KravMagoo]

Gang of 4 were a big influence on D. Boon and the Minutemen.

[@dnbasstep1]

Siouxsie is my queen and joy division and the smiths are my go to favorites. Dammit almost forgot talking heads

[@woody5831]

Siouxsie(1st band I saw live 1978) Joy Division(saw them 4 times 79/80) & the Smiths 😂 good but they were what was called in the uk as Indi same way as Flock of Seagulls/ orange juice etc you mentioning the Smiths is really funny

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

​@@woody5831grow up.

[@fnafloreenthusiast]

goth and post punk is just so fun and eclectic. it definitely one of my personal favorite genres and on top of that it’s also super influential for a ton of bands. so glad that this umbrella of genres still has longevity in the current day

[@silvercrow2925]

my favourite post punk band is killing joke but I also love the smiths, the cure, bauhaus, joy division, the talking heads and half man half biscuit (most underrated band of all time)

[@JukeboxHistory]

I’ve never heard of half man half biscuit before but I’ll definitely keep them on my radar 😂 all great picks!

[@kylewoolsey6635]

@@JukeboxHistory Watch out or HMHB will put you "In a Suffolk Ditch". That's their most recent release, but If you love Eno, you'll get a laugh out or their "Eno Collaboration." Good video.

[@hazmatforhumanity7318]

Also yes I will die on this hill, U2's earlier work is iconic and very much belongs with the rest of these bands

[@jgcastro000]

Hell yeah “I will follow” and “out of control” are great examples of that.

[@hazmatforhumanity7318]

Great video. A couple of bands I was surprised to see overlooked were Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend who were both huge parts of starting the Bat Cave, whats known as the first goth club. Interesting thing I learned from Trash Theory's recent video about New Order (also a great watch) is that Bono offered to replaced Ian Curtis in Joy Division. But New Order wanted to start something completely different out of respect to Curtis

[@JukeboxHistory]

Yea I would love to cover them if I do a full video on Goth! I’m glad you brought up the Trash Theory video since I just watched it the other day 😂 I can’t imagine New Order fronted by Bono. I think both U2 and New Order benefitted from not having him in the group (By that I mean we got two awesome groups and great albums instead of just one)

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Shit yeah. Southern Death Cult. Too. The Bat cave was absolutely essential.

[@Queerpunx]

Really enjoyed this. Thank you for mentioning The Slits. The connection between punk and reggae are often overlooked, but it's critical. My favorite modern day post punk band is Home Front on LA VIDA ES UN MUS.

[@704commentkan]

My favorite modern post punk band is blind delon

[@joedonovan9960]

Two areas that were not addressed is the proto-Industrial stuff (Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Gary Numan, etc...) and what I refer to as 2nd wave Krautrock (Einstuzende Neubauten, Malaria, etc...).

[@JukeboxHistory]

Good chance of doing a proto-industrial and industrial video at one point. Good suggestions tho and thanks for watching!

[@erichimle1306]

Some reasons for punk and reggae connections is Don Letts. He was a DJ and the Clash’s videographer. He spun a lot of reggae records at clubs a lot of the punks went to. You also have skinhead culture coming from Jamaica being absorbed by punks and influencing oi and ska genres.

[@erichimle1306]

Also Don Letts and mick jones from the clash then made big audio dynamite.

[@rolandowagner7775]

Ska, Rocksteady and early Reggae were already in England for nearly 10 years when the Clash formed, and many of those songs were hugely popular on the charts. One of Clash members was from Brixton where that scene was especially potent. Joe Strummer saw The Specials early on (formed about the same time as The Clash) and was hooked. The Specials were two tone ska that incorporated some punk into their sound. The Specials then opened for The Clash at some shows. I think those elements came before Don Letts.

[@robwalsh9843]

What I find interesting is how in the 70's, punk rock was sometimes presented as the mortal enemy of progressive rock. And then post-punk in the 80's embraced the directions and musical innovations that progressive rock had inspired. Similar to punk's relationship with heavy metal, there is influence from the "hated" rival genre that is later embraced rather then scorned.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Same goes with Disco in New Wave. I think one of the reasons Punk splintered off into so many directions so quickly is because it was so limiting in its purest form. Granted, there were genre fusions depending on who the artist was (Patti Smith, The Clash etc) but Punk’s disciples’ desire to experiment is what gave it it’s longevity

[@robwalsh9843]

@@JukeboxHistory like how Blondie was popular in New York's punk circles, but their music was very funky and poppy which fit in fine with Disco that punks supposedly hated. Deep down, a lot of punks loved all kinds of music.

[@jacobharris5652]

One other reason for the attraction of punks in the UK to reggae music was because a lot of them had been young adolescents during the skinhead/suedehead/rude boy style cult era of the early 70s. These working class white kids listened almost exclusively to massive amounts of rocksteady and reggae from labels like Trojan, Studio One, and Blue Beat, and a lot of them went onto the punk scene half a decade later with reggae music already in their DNA. A great example is Don Letts, who had been a black skinhead in the early 70s (at this time skinhead ≠ neonazi), then during the punk era became the house DJ at The Roxy and was sort of a reggae liaison and tastemaker who produced for The Clash, and then by the post punk era played in both PIL and Big Audio Dynamite. Probably one of the most influential people you never heard of. Aaaaand now I’m a thousand miles away from what I meant to talk about.

[@goodmornncaptain7989]

Awesome work Mate, I grew up in a tiny town in NZ and love the fact that I was the first in that town to have Unknown Pleasures, had to import it as no record stores would stock it, including The Fall, Gang of Four, Wire and Clock DVA. The Birthday Party were also massive and "Sonnys Burning" (Bad Seeds) was why I bought drums with lawn mowing money at 13, Excellent video will tune in to more, and keep bringing more wise council to those whom may not realise these bands spawned some of what they listen to today, Cheers

[@JukeboxHistory]

That’s some dedication! Really cool that you worked so hard to listen to this music that wasn’t readily available. In the age of streaming we definitely take this stuff for granted but you can’t beat waiting forever to actually listen to an album and it delivering. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻

[@mkraulis]

During the height of the pandemic, my mind got captured by Durutti Column. Something about the ways some of the music painted a picture really transfixed my imagination. I bought as many albums as I could find. Good video.👍.

[@diananolascomondragon5639]

Loved the video! Would love to see The Chameleons mentioned in one of your videos.

[@AKR-lq1if]

dude! I love you contribution to the recording and compiling these under appreciated or under examined genres. Thanks so much, and please, keep it up. great work, and can't wait for the next one.

[@nonamethedude5051]

I want to say that this is the most in depth and well made video on the history of post-punk on KZbin. I know at this stage of your KZbin career it’s gonna be hard to finish this series. From the bottom of my heart please do not stop making videos, you have a talent that few do. Love ya man and stay handsome!

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thanks so much!

[@jstrandquist]

Great video! I'm surprised this isn't bigger than it is. It's well-researched and nicely summarizes and contextualizes a lot of connections I had made on my own. Funny story: I listened to U2 a lot in the early 2010s, having stolen my mom's greatest hits CD. I became thoroughly obsessed and collected all their early albums. Circa 2020 I got very into post-punk and goth, so imagine my shock when the lightbulb turned on and I realized that U2's first three albums were straight-ahead post-punk (albeit with the characteristic U2 flourishes of uncertain Christianity and political idealism). Also, maybe you talked about it in your previous video (which I haven't watched yet), but the Clash's London Calling feels like a very post-punk album to me. Sure, there's some straight-ahead punk, but also a lot more experimentation with different genres, classic post-punk nervous introspection on tracks like Lost in the Supermarket, and of course the title track's very foreboding tone and lyrics. I'm open to debate on this point, though.

[@theobjectivethinker64]

Stranglers Black and White arguably the first post punk album.

[@theobjectivethinker64]

The year of punk. 'Music is moving fast but there is one band that is ahead of the game the Stranglers. After the Sex Pistols they are the highest selling band in punk. It’s a scene they have an awkward relationship with as they have their own sound - a genuinely aggressive and totally original take on the form and oddly they never seem to get any credit for it. They are now about to invent post punk. The Stranglers are in Bear Shank Lodge in the snowbound Northants countryside writing songs for the third album. Their work ethic is astonishing. They have already released two two of the best selling albums over the last year and they are one of the biggest bands in the country. They have also been ostracised by the press who claim they are too old - despite the Clash front man Joe Strummer having two years on their bassist, JJ Burnel. They are the surly outsiders who gate crashed the party and instantly made a connection with Britain’s musically disaffected teens. The ‘experts’ had tried to deny their presence but the band were genuinely breaking all the rules and were getting the utmost respect for it from the new generation. They also had the sound, the songs and the look. They would become as influential as the Pistols or the Clash and paved the way for bands as diverse as Joy Division, the La’s or even the Stone Roses as well as signposting goth and , arguably, the ‘Black and White’ album they were working on that December was released in 1978 becoming the first post punk album. These days post punk has been re-examined and re-evaluated with certain bands like the Gang Of Four getting suddenly elevated to godlike status with new bands who sound nothing like them - it’s sometimes good to look back and see who got in there first. This was 1978 remember, punk was staggering and there was nothing else seemingly coming through. Joy Division were still in a formative stage, Public Image’s ‘Metal Box’ was not yet released it was the Stranglers that were leading the way. While bands like Wire and Joy Division rightly get credit for taking punk into new areas it seems strange that the Stranglers. who were a far bigger and, in real terms, a far more influential band get left out of all the histories'. John Robb

[@iwhoisheisi]

The first three PiL albums are some of my faves.

[@taliesinechoes4513]

Ok, 1st I wanna say really great job hitting most of the great notes of bands from the Post-Punk era. I use to know and hang out with members of Pere Ubu, who are from my hometown, as well as with Siouxsie Sioux and Budgie, Cocteau Twins, members of Bauhaus/Tones On Tail/Love & Rockets, and Gary Numan. Others that I would've place as important bands that either were Post-Punk or started as Post-Punk are Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark, John Foxx era Ultravox, Tubeway Army (Gary Numan's band), Dead Can Dance (and not just because my voice can be heard on one of their live albums), Killing Joke, and my all-time favorite band, Cocteau Twins (who I would've added to the Gothic list for their 1st album, Garlands). Having said that, you did an awesome job. And big-time kudos for referencing Pere Ubu.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Oh wow that’s really cool! Cocteau Twins are fantastic and I actually did an early video on them that I’ve since taken down. Dead Can Dance are also such an interesting group and I’d like to give them their own video at some point. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching 🤠

[@DepecheMoser]

If Punk was the Triasdic Post Punk was the Jurassic. Post Punk was about punk musicians who were actially able to play music!

[@kurtrizzo]

So good seeing Youn Marble Giants getting some spotlight. Colossal Youth is one of my fav albums ever, no doubt.

[@JohnMoseley]

There's a really concrete reason for the punk-reggae link: the DJ at one of the London punk clubs was Don Letts, a rasta who went on to make the documentary film 'Punk!' and finally formed Big Audio Dynamite with Mick Jones from The Clash. Letts said there were so few punk records in the early days that he'd play his reggae records a lot at punk gigs and found that the punks loved them.

[@AtZero138]

The History of Reggae and it's evolution,, It's Fans.. Mods to Skinhead... It's Roots are deep in U.K.. Original, Roots, not neo fascist or Bonehead.. Reggae music was the chosen sound of the original Skinhead music... So it's popularity continued afterwards and beyond.. eventually becoming the 2nd wave called Two Tone...

[@JohnMoseley]

@@AtZero138 Yes, all true too, but as I understand it was Letts's influence that led to the Slits and, to a lesser extent, the Clash, moving into reggae territory as they developed.

[@ishtarrak13]

Really difficult topic to try to cover (you will always leave out something - Killing Joke, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc.) but you did a really good job of including most major influences. Good call on including U2 - they were totally post-punk. Boy and October were absolute classics. When I was in college, Boy had just released and U2 was going to be booked at a local bar. Unfortunately, the bar refused to pay the $500 U2 was asking for the gig.

[@soulestialcarnival4473]

Omg! This is such a perfect channel!!! wishing you all the success in the world I’ll be here in your journey!!!

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words ❤️

[@bobcarr2649]

As an old fart of long standing and a music fan of even longer, I would like to congratulate you on a thoughtful, interesting and idiosyncratic video. As a Brit my interest was always more towards the homegrown talent...Television notwithstanding, but you left out a few I would have liked to seen in there...Elvis Costello for the immediate post punk genre, he tends to be lumped in with the new wave, despite having more ideas and talent than the whole of the new wave combined... The Jam, and possibly Blondie sit somewhere in the middle of the whole sorry affair, and The Sisters of Mercy for the tail end of the deal. I have subscribed to the channel and look forwards to more thoughtful, thought provoking material.

[@jonathanreich6360]

As I'm watching this, a previous documentary about the punk movement said that the reason that punk bands used reggae and ska beats is that there weren't any punk records that early and that Don Letts would be the dj at the clubs all of these mopes hung out at and his record collection was heavily reggae. So reggae was essentially their soundtrack.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Yea it seems Don Letts was an important DJ in the scene. Will definitely have to dive into his history a bit more. Thanks for watching!

[@jonathanreich6360]

Yeah, I love this stuff. I lived through this period in a town where there was a small music scene and I played in some bands highly influenced by pretty much all the bands you mention. The other thing is how different those bands sounded from the music at the time. They sound old hat now but, at the time, nothing playing on the radio was like it and it was exciting.@@JukeboxHistory

[@kins749]

I'm loving this series (watched out of order), having made my own playlists I could never decide how to categorise bands (new wave vs post punk in particular), makes a bit more sense now, thanks!

[@JukeboxHistory]

It’s really tough to draw the line with these groups sometimes and categorize them. As I’ve gotten into the series it’s become more apparent that these genres are difficult to pin down. Post Punk and New Wave are two that are notoriously tough to put in boxes but hopefully these videos did a decent job lol

[@UK-Rock-N-Roller]

Congrats on putting together a great program. I've heard so many people refer to the 2nd British Invasion as containing a lot of bands from the 70's, like Queen etc. I think that you hit the nail on the head with the early 80's New Wave / New romantics / Synth bands. That's what the 2nd always said to me. I'm a Brit that moved here many moons ago and remember visiting in the early 80's and seeing that the New Wave music was really big here.

[@bandcouver]

One of my favourite Post Punk bands is XTC. They tend to get overlooked as Swindon was hardly a musical hotbed in the Post punk era but they made highly enjoyable and inventive music,

[@JukeboxHistory]

XTC is great! I’ll be bringing them up in the New Wave video. Thanks for watching

[@mariochabot7972]

I'm 57 and, even if I was a "prog maniac" in the "end of the 70" /" begining of the 80", my week-end evening during tyhis time was to go to the goth bar of my little town in Québec (Saint-Hyacinthe) and dance on The Cure, Bauhaus, The Smith, PIL, Siouxies and the Banshees, Psychedelic furs or some etectro-goth hybrid like Skinny Puppy. Those were my best friday and saturday's evening of my life!

[@littlecatfeet9064]

Nice! My club (all ages) was Numbers in Houston, playing all the artists you mentioned plus a lot of iconic New Order, Nina Hagen, Cabaret Voltaire and even more poppy stuff like Berlin pre their huge song. Amazing times 🎵 🎶

[@kimberlyvespa]

@@littlecatfeet9064in Orlando, we had Electric Avenue…on Friday it was teen night! The Cure, Soft Cell, Ministry, PIL, Killing Joke, Vicious Pink, etc…

[@mariochabot7972]

Et 3AM, when the bar was closing, the last song was always La fête triste from the French band Tricomie 21 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJfbl2uGhs5oeJY

[@mariochabot7972]

During these years, and the 70 and the 60, it was permited to experiment, to try something defferent. Now, the musical industry only produce music like Burger King do food.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@mariochabot7972 Unfortunately you’re right. I want to be open minded re new music, but it’s not as melodic, poetic or even danceable as the bands you listened to back in Quebec. I’m 54 and loved all the same bands.

[@conorhealy5169]

Fantastic work my friend! I wanted to write you off as an American but you NAILED the history my brother! You may need to research Don Letts on the reggae and ska influence on punk 😎

[@bioluminescentlyunfolding5716]

I got into post punk because of The Police. People think of them as solidly new wave with their blending of punk and reggae influences and their catchier hits, but beyond the singles much of their stuff has that moody, ambivalent quality that made post punk so compelling. U2's "Boy" also helped me figure out what I liked musically so it's great to see it given its due in a post punk context here. The Cure and Depeche Mode helped too, but what really got me consciously exploring post punk was one of the new revival bands, Thus Love - I recommend their album "Memorial". But if there's one post punk band I want everyone to hear, it's The Sound, who heartbreakingly never got their due while singer/songwriter/guitarist Adrian Borland was alive. They appeal to the part of my brain that loves both the darker Police stuff and that band's tight musicianship and reggse influences, but they never found lasting fame in their native UK or the US. This month there's a book out about Borland and a bunch of other retrospective work going on, so it's a bit easier to find their music on CD, vinyl and mp3 than it was for many years, and I hope this leads to more people discovering them. Try 1981 album "From The Lion's Mouth"; I don't think you will be disappointed.

[@christopher959]

As I understand it, producer Martin Hannett was as much the driver behind the Joy Division sound as were the band themselves.

[@JukeboxHistory]

He absolutely was. From what I’ve read he was pretty difficult to get along with lol but he got results

[@CupofCloud]

sure bauhaus is goth, but all of their music considered, theyre avant-garde post-punk, same with bday party

[@presence5426]

Bauhaus are post avante guard dark-punk goth.

[@LuckyBastardProd]

Bauhaus got stuck with the goth label because of the theatrics, they weren’t Cristian Death.

[@presence5426]

@@LuckyBastardProd Right. They were Death Christian.

[@GAOL1986]

Bang fucking on.

[@donaldlamkin1305]

I accidentally discovered your channel today. Great video!

[@jelkel25]

It wasn't just Manchester that was bleak in the late 70s/early 80s, a lot of Britain was, those darker sounds made sense, they fit in with the environment, it felt relevant. You were even told in school you had no future, John Lydon wasn't just pulling those words out of the ether, he was probably told them. This made the Punk DIY culture so important right into the 90s. If you haven't got a future you have to make your own regardless. It was a huge creative dividend for society in general and a fantastic era musically to grow up in.

[@JukeboxHistory]

With that context it really makes sense why Punk was so important to so many people. I’m sure it was an exciting time but also filled with plenty of hardship. Thank you for sharing

[@inphanta]

A lot of information condensed into a small run time. Really well done. 👍 😊

[@RicONeill1964]

First timer; great job. My first gig was Siouxsie in 78, with McGeogh, the week they released “The Scream”. Big sis took her 13 year old little brother. Not what I would think of as a post-punk fan, I thought you did a great job, got the main players right with no mess. Props. Subbed.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Sounds like a great time! Thanks for watching

[@dacra9625]

Sounds a great show and I’m sure this is a typo - but John McKay Co-wrote and played on The Scream. Leaving the band in 1979.

[@duncangerrard6828]

I was at the Aberdeen gig where 2 members of Souxsie walked out, The Cure were the support band, Robert Smith joined siouxsie for the Lords prayer, john mcgeoch didnt play with siouxsie until 1980

[@chris.fyourman2648]

Great show. Well researched and presented. Will watch your other stuff soon. Please keep going with this.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thank you so much!

[@trytobec00l]

🎉 nice!!! Can’t wait for the next one and also especially stoked for the last one in the series!!! 🔥 lotta good music to check out in here that I didn’t know about THANK YOU 🖤🖤🖤

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thanks man 🤠 Glad you enjoyed the video!!

[@robvandenheuvel128]

As someone who’s new to your channel I really appreciate the time and effort that went into creating this wonderful trip down memory lane. Those of us who grew up listening to some of these bands often didn’t realise how influential many of them wound turn out to be. Knowing this as already a longish video, a part II maybe in order as there are a number of influential acts which did not make the cut on part I. I’m thinking of outfits like The Clash, Adam and The Ants and The Boomtown Rats to name but a few. Keep up the great work. Rock on!

[@JukeboxHistory]

It must have been something to grow up listening to these bands. They want on to do so many important things! Also the Clash I had put in the second video in the series and Adam and the Ants will be brought up in the New Wave video. Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching 🙏🏻

[@coreyphillips6153]

Favorites for me are: The Chameleons, The Sound & Killing Joke.

[@chrisspaight2955]

I started dipping my toes into post punk (I don’t remember ever calling it that) around 1981 and didn’t live in a big city so I was surprised that you caught a couple of early bands I never heard of. The first couple of sources were very dude-centric so the section on women was especially welcome. I remember The Slits but don’t know The Raincoats and Young Marble Giants. Yay for more music to get into from my favorite genre, thanks. Oh and yes, U2 absolutely started out in this genre. They haven’t always been bloated megalomaniacs. They didn’t truly hit mainstream til The Joshua Tree.

[@deadkennedy9140]

Re the Reggae influence on UK punk. A mate was one of the original punks and I asked him about it "We all hung out at the 100 Club in '77 when there was only like 4 punk singles released, so the dj had a choice of Reggae or ABBA and it wasn't going to be ABBA"

[@JukeboxHistory]

That’s hilarious 😂 love some ABBA but Reggae was probably the right choice

[@AtZero138]

The History of Reggae is also the History of Skinhead.. it's chosen music.. Songs dedicated directly to them... It's influence was still felt.. after the 1st wave.. later Two Tone..

[@KonradvanderHorst]

Can’t wait to see you videos on new wave and hardcore punk. Great job on this video. What a fantastic and innovative time for music. I was born in 1980 and the 90’s were my teen years but I really love this era right before I was born.

[@JukeboxHistory]

It’s such a good era of music. It seems like a lot of the groups in the 90’s took after this era too so I don’t think you’re alone! Thanks for watching

[@Aurora2097]

Postpunk = Art-Punk!

[@louisduarte8763]

You talked about Goth rock, but didn't mention The Sisters of Mercy?

[@RestrainingHollywood]

Killing Joke & Bauhaus are Peak Post Punk..🔥 those 2 bands are your favorite band's favorite bands. ...and Yes of course, Bowie's LOW & iggy's IDIOT are Major highlights❤

[@stilldisorder]

Whats funny is that when I used to get asked about Post-Punk (I fronted a Post-Punk band for almost 15 years), I tell them one of the biggest bands in the world started as a Post-Punk band (U2). It's an easy, 1-2 sentence answer to a question I used to get all the time.

[@ИванИванов-у8л9г]

A good overview and start of elaboration in further series of videos possibly 🙂 Thank you👍🏻 I did not hear/see mentioned, so, would also add The Sisters Of Mercy certainly, my personal favourite 🙂 Well-respected and very influential!☝🏻🙂 Keep it on going.

[@suiciniv14]

Dude... u2 is the first band I've started being a fan. What a great surprise seeing them in the video. And rule 1 for being a goth: you gotta always say you're not a goth. lol Nice video, man!

[@ericsilberstein667]

They started as punk then post-punk. Not just goth subgenre, but many other subgenres of alternative.

[@olab.4352]

Simon Reynolds is pretty much the most interesting and best writer/music journalist of our time. Nice vid! (although I miss The Sisters....)

[@JukeboxHistory]

He’s such a good writer. I appreciate how he’s able to write about these artists with an objective lens. He doesn’t excuse a lot of the *cough* “creative” choices they made early on. I was back and forth on including some of that in this video but decided to leave it to the music. Thanks for watching!

[@ThreadBomb]

I agree about the Sisters of Mercy. They are one of the core goth bands, though they started in 1980, a couple of years after the other big names. A massive influence on all later gothic rock.

[@olab.4352]

True @@ThreadBomb

[@jungatheart6359]

As someone old enough to say "I was there", I found this is an incredibly comprehensive and faithful summary, including most of my favourite bands. Magazine and The Banshees top that list, but I'm especially gratified my hometown band Young Marble Giants made your radar. I actually saw them a few years back playing what I think was a one-off revival gig in Cardiff, and Alison's voice was as pure and haunting as I remembered. Other notable female-fronted bands of the era were Penetration, the Mo-dettes and The Au Pairs. I'm not sure if you're covering this on separate videos, but the only possible omissions were the 'Postcard records' scene from Scotland (the likes of Orange Juice, the Fire Engines and my favourites Josef K), and the 'New Psychedelics' - Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Strawberry Switchblade etc. The Banshees were considered more a part of this genre than Goth from Kaleidoscope onwards (Juju notwithstanding).

[@JukeboxHistory]

Young Marble Giants are so good and I wish they got more recognition in online music circles. That’s super cool that you got to see them live a few years ago too! As for the latter groups I’ve recently found myself loving Orange Juice’s music and they may get brought up in the next video. Thank you for sharing and thanks for watching!

[@amc7185]

This is a truly stellar video! Concise, yet perfectly detailed.

[@vesuvius1968]

Great stuff. I'd love to see you do a deep dive on Steve Albini. Nobody in the last 40 years has done more to keep independent, original, non-commercial music alive

[@JukeboxHistory]

Albini is such a cool figure in music history. He would be a fun one to cover. Thanks for watching!

[@shiftybat7318]

Post punk not only gave me so many of my favorites but SO many that followed suit years or decades later, like Big Dipper, Bis, The Twilight Sad, Editors, The Veils, and Chvrches, not to mention the profound resonance found in Japanese acts like JILS, Buck-Tick, and Malice Mizer, who then went on to be most influential in their Own field. Jangly guitars and moody, poetic self-reflection never go out of style. It was fun, when recording my own music, to trace back the lineage of what made me Me.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Don't forget Twin Tribes and The Ghost of Bela Lugosi!

[@khogg3581]

Post Punk, New Wave, and Power Pop are my favorite rock genres, and all developed around the same time. It was also the time I was entering my teens and at my most impressionable when it came to consuming music. Great overview you’ve made; efficient and filled with the important stuff.👏

[@richardb9419]

Power pop actually emerged much earlier in the 70s…Raspberries, Badfinger, Rundgren…and grew out of late 60s sounds from Bands like the Who

[@JukeboxHistory]

Yea I can only imagine being a teenager around that time. Sounds like an exciting time! Thanks for watching

[@khogg3581]

@richardb9419 Yeah, there is a gap of 5 or so years between the nascent days of power pop in the early 70s and those of post punk and new wave in the mid to latter part of the decade. While power pop didn’t develop simultaneously with the others, in the grand timeline of rock n roll I consider the genres to have developed around the same time.

[@khogg3581]

With Glam, Punk, Hip Hop, and Disco as well, the 70s were an amazing decade for emerging genres of popular music.

[@RicONeill1964]

Me, too. Big sis took me to a Siouxsie gig the same week they released “The Scream” in 78. I was 13/14. Then I landed in 1983 Orange County, CA. 🤯🤯🤯

[@KillbotAndGorGorAttack]

This was really well done, great job!

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thank you!

[@zellah]

The Damned are the most exotic of the original ‘76 band. The album they released last year, “Darkadelic” is fab!

[@MrAladdino]

Yeah!!

[@kimberlyvespa]

Definitely! Always wonderful live!

[@Mandrake591]

The Smiths, Felt, Echo & The Bunnymen, Psychedelic Furs, Television, Blondie, The Church, Rain Parade, Go-Betweens, The Jam, many others, wonderful time for music!

[@aubriella958]

Pre-Bela Lugosi's Dead..."Ghost Rider" by Suicide. It's certainly not as evolved but the ambience and reverb are heavy. There's a slower, less defined version that seems like a super early "goth" track.

[@JukeboxHistory]

For sure. I’ll also be talking about Suicide in the No Wave video. They were really ahead of the curve on a lot of stuff!

[@aubriella958]

@JukeboxHistory Excellent! Really enjoyed this vid.

[@limitedtoonenyc]

great videos! congrats. wanted to add something, not sure if anyone mentioned this.. but one of the reasons that Reggae / Dub is so closely tied to the punk / post punk scene was that when the famous club in London started, in between the bands the DJ Don Letts (a famous punk figure) would play reggae and dub records. This was cause he had a huge collection of those records and there weren't enough punk records to play yet. Don Letts is responsible for introducing reggae to the Clash.

[@theoryfish3491]

Excellent, insightful review. I was actually there and I missed 95% of this. Thanks for filling me in on the outliers (well, my outliers!).

[@scalderiso]

Great video, I love how it's making a comeback via bands like molchat doma, and French police

[@AtZero138]

Modern Post Punk is Alive and well KRONSTADT LITOVSK NIGHT WATCHERS etc

[@slartyfretwerk3905]

The Damned, Sudden Death Cult, sisters of mercy to name but three from many. More akin to siouxsie and the banshees, and the Cure. This genre is a very deep ocean. It's well worth dipping a toe, but it drags you in.

[@richardjones4466]

Southern Death Cult.

[@AtZero138]

Modern Post Punk is awesome.. and growing.. my playlist has some bands and channels to check out... Titled, Moving in my Head.. cheers from Southern California

[@maryburke5423]

Really great work on this. Good to see someone putting sections of that densely packed info in Simon Benson’s ‘Rip it Up…’ into an easily digested video chat. It’s such an excellent resource on the bands of the era. I was there discovering all those bands in the late 70s early 80s, and it’s almost impossible to describe the sheer speed and volume of new music appearing. It was so exciting.

[@JukeboxHistory]

It must have been something to grow up during this time. Like you said I can only imagine how exciting it was! Thanks for watching

[@snappystettner]

This was really fun and informative. You should look into the history of 2-Tone if you don't know where the reggae influence came from. It's less reggae and more ska and some rocksteady. Basically, there was an influx of immigrants from the West Indies to the UK in the 1950s and 60s, and they brought their records with them. The kids shared their music with their neighbors, and some of those neighbors started punk bands. (The skin-head look came from white punks dressing like Jamaican kids, though that got twisted.) A racist movement called the National Front started in response to this migration, and some influential rock stars shared their talking points on stage, including Eric Clapton and Bowie (though Bowie had a change of heart.) An organization called Rock Against Racism combatted this by hosting fairs and tours featuring reggae, rock, punk, funk, and soul bands. From this, The Specials were formed, and punk and Jamaican pop music were forever intertwined.

[@JukeboxHistory]

This is all good info! If I continue with the series after part 4 I should probably do a 2-Tone video. The link between reggae and punk is so interesting I would love to dive more into it. Thanks for watching!

[@kimberlyvespa]

Skinhead started in the sixties. The original nickname of them was Peanuts. They were also actually a spin off from the mods when the mods split up between the hard mods and the more flowery mods. Working class kids of all races hung out together and danced to early ska, bluebeat, rocksteady and then reggae. A lot of these kids back then were also supporters/hooligans and went to a lot of the football games back in the day. The skins then started to become subcultures like the smoothies into the early seventies. Then, when punk rock came out, skinheads came out and about again and shaving short cropped hair once again, and then groups like the National Front started recruiting them as much as they could. This is where the 2tone movement came out of as a backlash to that, and there was tons of fights between these groups. Then from pub rock roots-there was Oi!…there was left wing bands, right wing bands, and even neutral bands with no politics. If you guys want to hear a really great band, listen to Cocksparrer.

[@kimberlyvespa]

There is a whole sub-genre called Skinhead Reggae, btw. All this was around way before punk rock.

[@dagerman7032]

The epitome and best band of the genre is of course THE FALL.

[@rovercats]

brilliant doc keep it up, born in 1965 t his is my era. Dont forget John Peels radio one show influence

[@phillipbeathard9659]

Robert Smith praised Siouxsie and the Banshees' first album The Scream, Kaleidoscope, A Kiss in the Dreamhouse - and besides the Cure opening for Siouxsie in "the early days", Smith has spoken of his Siouxsie and the Banshees' influence on him. Morrissey said, "None of them are as good as Siouxsie and the Banshees at full pelt. That's not dusty nostalgia, that's fact". (1994) The Edge said the reason Bono sounded like a girl on the first two U2 LPs was the great influence of Siouxsie and the Banshees on U2. Fortunately, Siouxsie and the Banshees never got "stuck" as punks or in Goth or any other genre - they are a genre all their own (like The Beatles).

[@ZetaReticuli_]

Wire's third album, 154, is easily one of my favorites. A Touching Display is easily my favorite track on that album. 154 is not only very well produced, but if you listen to it all the way through, it really illustrates the how punk became post-punk, IMO.

[@robertbright947]

The Damned in my opinion had the first Goth Album and first Goth single in 1977 - Damned, Damned, Damned.

[@laramullen6601]

The Chameleons🖤🖤🖤

[@blackgumball]

Killing Joke! Was waiting to see them in the vid. Oh well. Maybe you can do a whole video on them. Definitely the darkest and heaviest post punk band.

[@zackspaulding]

Bauhaus

[@gruntingskunk2237]

This channel is genuinely fantastic.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thank you!!

[@mariawesley7583]

I always love your videos! Looking forward to the new wave one.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thank you so much! Glad you’re enjoying the videos 🖤

[@averytherockgod9822]

Ngl one thing I find VERY interesting yet shocking that not many ppl talk about it is how post punk is legit hving a massive resurgence right now with bands like ThxSoMch and d4vd absolutely blowing up rn with their sorta “sadboi” trap influenced take on the genre, and despite songs coming outta this new wave of post punk being RLLY BIG (like Spit in My Face for example and Hate) I don’t see many ppl talking about this despite how massive these bands in this new wave of post punk r becoming, which is quite disappointing cause as someone who is a big fan of post punk (mainly the gothic stuff like The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees), I find it RLLY INTERESTING that this genre is hving a pretty mainstream resurgence.

[@ste.6026]

I had many favourites but The Only Ones & XTC are the fist that come to mind, probably because I still air them today... The Undertones, Stranglers, Blondie & the Buzzcocks still adorn my playlists too... This is not to forget two of my all timers The Cure & OMD... Great discussion, subbed swiftly & and looking forward to catching up on your content... 🙂😃😊

[@JukeboxHistory]

These are great picks! XTC will be coming in the next video but The Cure is one of my favorites too. Thanks for watching!

[@sadlantis]

This was great. Looking forward to checking out the rest of the series.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Glad to have you along for the ride! Thanks for watching

[@Mark_Mortis]

Great video! Glad to see someone reviewing this and related genres in the current era.

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thanks so much and thanks for watching!

[@jeffreycooley2032]

They included Gang of Four, who were the most important band of that Era.

[@KravMagoo]

Big influence on the Minutemen.

[@annedixon2528]

I was in college during this era loved Joy Division, The Smiths, The Slits, The Cure, and Souxie & the Banchees, and yes to U2-the War album especially, but what about Adam and the Ants?

[@kimberlyvespa]

Thought he was more a part of the New Romantic movement?

[@lbellis8516]

...also , The Au Pairs , The Pop Group and Mission Of Burma.

[@eliasandrinopoulos8746]

Thank you for the memories! Great sounds, great bands, great times! ❤️🙏🏻👍🏻

[@joesmith8725]

Post-punk, new wave, Goth, etc is basically punk music with better musicians, more artsy/refined, better instruments, more experimental, more rhythm, better song structure, at times darker, mysterious, eerie, ethereal/atmospheric (especially Gothic, darkwave, etc). The calmer and less angrier side of punk. . With better bass guitars too. Something you can dance to. lol You said it best too. Post punk is the artsy and calmer cousin that doesnt smell as bad and dresses up nicer than their older cousin, punk rock. . Thats a good one! You are right about the history of punks and ska/reggae, too. Those bands were similar in ideology and underground/non mainstream roots. They would play at same concerts and clubs. Shared the same audience and mixing. Also, there was a lot of migration of Caibbeans into the UK back then. Which brought over ska/reggae. There was also sharing and influences on each other's music. Fusions would form later on by other bands like ska-punk, reggae rock, etc.

[@Steve-d8s]

Where do you think the Specials and Madness fit into that time frame? I really liked the Specials.

[@joesmith8725]

@@Steve-d8s They are right there, too! Ska. Great fun bands. Same era. '70s and '80s

[@danielmukhlis5709]

A pretty good rundown of post-punk as a genre, but what are your thoughts on the recent renaissance of UK post punk scene (ie. the Windmill scene)? I know they're very recent and thus the history is still being written as we speak, but I believe the scene has produced some post punk essential records in the last few years that deserves to be alongside the classics you've covered here.

[@JukeboxHistory]

The Windmill scene is really interesting. If I progress the series I’ll have to do post punk revival first (the 2000’s bands) and then would probably do the Windmill bands as their own thing. They’ve absolutely produced some modern classics! It’s exciting to see where they’ll go next. Thanks for watching

[@Wulf425]

Interesting that you included U2. I saw them play when the second album came out, Bono and Edge came out after the show and chatted with people a bit. I asked Edge what guitarists had influenced him, he said American bands like Television.

[@andyatkinson1371]

The London nightclub, the Roxy, opened as a punk music venue. At the time, punk was still fresh and punk music recordings did not exist. Don Letts was the house DJ. He owned a large Reggae record collection and would play those records at the club when bands weren't performing. That is one of the major reasons so many punks also listened to Reggae.

[@ihavenoquarrelwithyou3249]

The only disappointing thing about this video is that it too a month to show up in my recommendations. A really sharp overview of the most exciting period of popular music. Do you have any interest in doing deep dives on specific artists? I am looking forward to your upcoming genre videos but curious if any artists are on your radar for their own videos. I am happy this video blew up, hopefully will motivate you to keep going. Subscribed

[@JukeboxHistory]

Thanks so much for the kind words! I don’t think I have anything coming down the pipe for an artist deep dive but if you’re interested the KZbin channel @MicTheSnare does deep dives on specific artists. Good suggestion tho and I could look into it. On my channel I have some older videos about specific records which is probably the closest thing (will do more of those at some point). Thanks again for checking out the video!