Why HDR Zones Matter: 1196 Zones vs 96 Zones vs Edge Lit Dimming

[@fVNzO]

I honestly cannot believe that this content doesn't already exist. This is the exact monitor content that we need and it just doesn't really exist. There are so many monitors being produced for different markets with non existent spec sheets, with utterly misleading specs or none at all. It's borderline impossible for a newcomer to find a monitor that's available locally, at a good price, with the features you need AND has an proper review attached somewhere. Making it borderline impossible to recommend monitors to anyone in my experience. I would just like a full response time matrix included with every monitor for like 5 different refresh rates. Where and how many zones there are, pixel layout and color accuracy. For starters. On every box.

[@maikatase]

I'm pretty sure LTT did a video like this a long time ago where they simply compared the results in games/movies, but not nearly as technical as this though.

[@fVNzO]

@@maikatase M8 it is damn near impossible to explain "normal" people how backlighting works and this is as simple as it gets. I have not been able to found content like this.

[@gavinderulo12]

I agree. This channel is basically Hdtvtest but for monitors.

[@desmondbrown5508]

Yeah, I agree. One of my biggest concerns with mini-LED displays is how many dimming zones they have... because no algorithm can really resolve the inherent issues of too few dimming zones. Some algorithms can "mask it" to some extent. But it will always either be black crush (Samsung's approach) or blooming (most other brand's approach).

[@MrDvneil]

wow, the contrast with the 1196 lit zones is impresive!! watching with my 13 y/o IPS

[@hariskhan01]

I was 2 when that LCD was made, and certainly got the money's worth out of it.

[@N0N0111]

Both of you should buy new high resolution monitors, the sharpness and pixel density is so much better on the latest monitors.

[@irun2sanaxox]

new 4k 27 inch 144hz 5k zone display incoming ;D

[@alvarg]

@@N0N0111 32 inch 4k is still pretty good for pixel density

[@hariskhan01]

They just made this channel and they are "in the zone" and growing quickly already.😂 I always turn to Hardware unboxed for their extensive and reliable benchmarking

[@iseeu-fp9po]

It has basically become my nr. 1 go-to for anything computer-related. I love those aussies!

[@gaurd3]

hmm I would think it would be bigger considering HU has close to 900K subs. A hint on how hard it is to start a YT channel today.

[@iseeu-fp9po]

@@gaurd3 I agree but give it time.

[@hariskhan01]

@@gaurd3 I mean it's growing pretty fast despite being focused on monitors, while their main channel covers a much wider range of tech.

[@Yellowswift3]

Like the 'HDR Battle: 96 Zone FALD vs Edge Lit Dimming' video you produced earlier, I really enjoyed this demonstration. I recall coming away from the previous video thinking that the 96 Zone Sony screen did well, all considered. However, this just goes to show how much of a difference there is when getting a suitable level of dimming zones in an HDR screen. Great video. :)

[@brutlern]

Here's a weird thing. Monitors with no dimming at all, look better than the ones with few edge dimming zones because even though you don't get any sections of the monitor turned off, and thus you get gray instead of black, at least it's a uniform gray all the way round, which you can than tweak a bit with settings, rather than a band of gray where the edge dimming cannot turn of that section, which you cannot tweak, since it's not uniform across the screen.

[@oliver24x]

I have a TV with dimming zones and it looks stupid as fuck, everything has a glow to it.

[@Slay1337pl]

@@oliver24x On the other hand, as someone with astigmatism, everything has a glow to it IRL as well.

[@davidyang9902]

@@Slay1337pl haha I think I have a tiny bit of that as well, and that's why I think 1000+ zones is not far off from OLED because my eyes will make the objects bloom anyways

[@Nelthalin]

Yeah edge dimming is quite horrible it switched it off on all screens and tv's if they had it. The only TV had had edge dimming that was any good was the Sony X930E but that was a quite advanced edged lid backlight. No where near as good as the ZD9 (master backlight drive FALD) or the X940E with 288 Zone FALD

[@JuztBillz]

Definitely agree

[@jaymacpherson8167]

Excellent content Tim. I greatly appreciate the side-by-side comparisons and the context…and now I know what blooming is!

[@hughjazz44]

I'd be curious to see this comparison with a 4th monitor: a regular VA panel with no local dimming. Since VA panels have better contrast even without local dimming, I'd like to see how it would fare against an IPS panel with weak local dimming.

[@damir791]

How do you think VA panels are dimmed?

[@PetrisonRocha]

I suspect VA without dimming would fare better. The blooming is just too much significant on an IPS panel with low zone count. Exception for the black bars on 21:9 content.

[@damir791]

@@PetrisonRocha is there are blooming at SDR content on IPS or VA? Nope, it's became a problem at 600 nits+

[@PetrisonRocha]

@@damir791 What are you talking about? Of course there is, especially on IPS

[@damir791]

@@PetrisonRocha of course there are no “true black” on VA/IPS, but bloom isn’t as visible as on 600+ nits

[@PvMLad]

3:08 I'm sitting outside in the sunlight viewing from my phone screen and they all look the same to me.

[@Wellibob68]

Tim has a very pleasant voice over manner/tone. Very relaxing. Good video obviously.

[@freazyknight]

Ah yes another video i needed to see. I didn't know about dimming zones till i started reading about 4k HDR specs and comparing the better ones.

[@paelimination]

I have the neo G7 and really like it, the high end VA + high zone count is a real winner and a true alternative for those who want a brighter colour HDR experience over OLED without worrying about burn in or the dimmer brightness of OLEDs over time. That being said, there are clear points where the OLED just does it better, a good example was the mouse pointer being dimmed on the mini LED in pure black areas where as the OLED doesnt, unless you turn the mini LED local dimming to "high" which does make the smaller bright spots like this pop a bit more, the down side is it gets some interesting issues with dark mode reddit on greys and stuff, this is reall the ONLY area where OLED wins out clearly on these high array VA's, otherwise to be honest, the mini LED array VA's actually come out on top imo. Overall the G7 looks and feels incredible with videos and games, but probably isn't something i'd use as a work monitor, though I can say the same for the OLED really due to the burn in risks over time. Personally I prefer to go non-OLED for now for my monitors until I see burn in realistically not be an issue though. If people think burn in isnt an issue anymore, they should check out the Linus video where he shows the clear burn in on his LG c2 after 8 months of use, despite LG's claims burn in doesnt happen anymore.

[@mercurysteam04]

Hey Tim, great video as always. I think you guys should make a video on the different panel technologies that we're starting to see on desktop monitors, e.g. nano IPS, QD-OLED and mini-LED. Might be a good video idea for the future. Keep up the great content.

[@Alvin853]

2:35 I'm pretty sure the fact that you can see the edge of the screen on the M9 is because it's an IPS-Panel with backlight bleed, it has nothing to do with the zone count. There is clearly no backlight close to the edge of the panel, but backlight from the center is bleeding through, which would also happen if the M9 had a much higher zone count.

[@spaghettilocomotive]

Goes to show why I'm never buying an IPS panel in the future 😂 My eyes have been opened since I bought the 65" qn95a and the G7 which I returned for a Neo G8 once they became available here.

[@branchprediction9923]

@@spaghettilocomotive same, never been an ips guy, horrible contrast ratios togheter with bleed and glow. Utter trash for dark content. But i guess everyone is a pro gamer nowadays and will not be able to play well on a va with its slow dark transitions : )

[@psychorzr]

@@branchprediction9923 Well too sad for those "pro" gamers cause VA panels are much faster than IPS panels in general :D

[@hiddenspirit9180]

@@psychorzr with free ghosting 😸

[@psychorzr]

@@hiddenspirit9180 If you count cheap VA panels then yes. Good VA panels have less ghosting than most IPS panels.

[@DavidFregoli]

My Monitor Doctor called, diagnosis: blooming around the balls 💀

[@atomicskis5]

Awesome work! The detail and effort put into these videos is amazing! Next one include an oled as well to have the full gambit(almost a control of sorts as well). So surprised to see the edge and 96 zone basically trade blows depending on the content. Not even in the market for a new monitor but this is great content! Cheer!

[@m_sedziwoj]

I think you should always add OLED to comparisons, so people would see what it should look like (minus max brightness) EDIT: oh, you mention about about this at end, can't wait to see it

[@TuanHoang-zy7of]

I would love to see a Neo G7 and LG C2 side-by-side comparison like this. See how close Samsung VA tech is to the OLED tech.

[@jinx20001]

that is something you would really need to experience in person, i dont have a C2 i have a C1 but have had a couple of monitors with varying degrees of HDR (not a g7 though), none really come close to an OLED, its hard to describe really what makes it so good on an OLED, looking at a C1 in person compared to my wifes alienware aw3821dw ultrawide its night and day, there is no bloom or i like to think of it as bleeding between light and dark, there is a line of contrast there that makes the image crystal clear, its almost like its a higher resolution effect, having more zones of led helps but it cant match pixel perfect precision.

[@TuanHoang-zy7of]

@@jinx20001 That's amazing. I actually was gonna get a C2 42" for my desktop but the burn-in issue is a real concern for me since I do actually plan to work on the monitor. Have u experienced any problem with burn in?

[@socialreport999]

@@jinx20001 Of course, in darj scenes OLED/QD-OLED is a winner and more pleasently looking because of no blooming but in bright scenes vice versa OLED/QD-OLED look much dimmer and colours are paler compared to mini leds (in such scenes blacks aren't so important as in dark scenes), so it depends on a content you watch.

[@jinx20001]

​@@socialreport999 it does not depend on the content you watch, it depends on the environment you watch in, in darker environments the brightness of the display OLED or not will typically be enough, OLED displays and their brightness only really becomes a problem in bright environments you cant control... and that's the crucial part, only a problem in an environment you cant control. luckily most people can take control of their viewing environment, if the sun is shining on your screen you draw the blinds or curtains right, if you want to sit and watch a movie at night you would turn off the lights for the best experience etc. It has nothing to do with the content you watch. Ive never watched anything where i wish the display of my OLED was brighter, i really haven't, its always been bright enough, but that is because i can control my viewing environment, if you cant stop sunlight blasting onto your TV then an OLED might not be the best choice, If you are buying a TV for outdoor viewing then again an OLED might not be the best choice, its like a mobile phone right, difficult to see outdoors, perfectly fine indoors because artificial light really isn't that bad so most owners of OLEDs just dont have the mythical brightness problem, its more than bright enough, especially using HDR. on a side note, you said in brighter scenes black levels are not so important, that is completely untrue, if anything the black levels are EVEN MORE important in bright scenes because you want the difference between that brightness and darkness to be more pronounced, the sun looks brighter if the surrounding areas can look dimmer right, that's the power of contrast.

[@jinx20001]

@@TuanHoang-zy7of ive owned a C1 for around a year and not had any burn in at all, but i do notice temporary retention more now than i did when it was new, like if i watch a few videos on youtube not full screen and then i leave youtube ill see a darker shadow down the right hand side of the screen where the list of youtube videos was for a short amount of time, like 10 seconds or so before i cant notice it anymore, this is more noticeable now for some reason than when it was new. i play a LOT of games with static elements on screen aswell and none of that has caused any burn in (burn in is permanent), i play a lot of sim racing and stuff like speedo's and leaderboards have left no impressions on the screen. (checked using online burn in color checkers) the only flaw on the screen i have noticed is 1 single dead pixel down in the bottom left, not a big deal but when you notice it and you know its there...well its annoying, but that can happen with any screen. i should point out i dont typically go out of my way to protect the screen either because when i purchased it i took out 5 years extra cover which protects against burn in so check for that if you want to buy, for example john lewis in the UK offers a 5 year protection on the display for a fee, this covers accidental damage also so any problems and you are covered one way or another. this is peace of mind so you dont stress about the TV i guess. i do use the TV's built in protection features though like auto dimming and pixel shift just to give it some chance to protect itself.

[@Owenzzz777]

Even though KZbin HDR is crap, it’s still probably worth trying uploading these monitor comparison videos in HDR. It would be a lot more obvious on HDR capable monitors, especially iPhones

[@mohamedahmed1023]

Great content. Would like to add that Sony usually likes to maximize shadow detail at the cost of blooming- that is their philosophy when it comes to local dimming. Samsung likes to minimize blooming. One reason why in real content, the X95K is brighter (when calibrated) than a Samsung QN90B (when calibrated). I've found in real content, a Sony HDR LED with ~60 zones and high local contrast is closer to an OLED in my subjective experience than an edge lit display that is 1000:1. The blooming is clear when there are large subtitles and with fast moving bright objects in a dark screen, but beyond that, it performs surprisingly well. But I'm someone who prioritizes brightness and color volume over minimal blooming.

[@towb0at]

This comparison was really helpful! Don't know if I could really see a significant difference between OLED and 1000+ zones on my crappy 8 year old laptop display though

[@douglaspianta4187]

Best way is to go into an electronics store and watch the store hdr videos on an OLED. They really are as good as they are made out to be. I wish there was a general 32" oled.

[@branchprediction9923]

Oled phone? Watch in on that.

[@99Ctube]

Watch the video on an AMOLED phone or so.

[@AhmedMohamed-mq2xz]

Can't wait for the alienware AW3423DW comparison

[@tyr8338]

That`s extremally informative video, I`m having a blast with my new neo g7.

[@YeOldeTraveller]

Thanks for this. I've heard you mentioning blooming in previous content, but I never understood fully what you were referring to.

[@gregwakolbinger4131]

So excited when a new video comes up here. I’ll be following for a while. I want a 28 or 32 flat screen with at least 1,000 zones that costs less than 2K

[@m8hackr60]

Extremely helpful explanation of exactly what you refer to in your reviews.

[@brucethen]

With this sort of content, I would suggest that you recommend that it is best viewed on a tablet or smartphone ( or other OLED display) in a dark room, to help highlight the blooming differences. Watching on my 96 zone TV, sometimes the 1000+ dimming zones were over ridden by my far smaller zone count

[@spaghettilocomotive]

I have no such problems seeing every bit of bloom on my 65" samsung qn95a, even when local dimming is on low. I did turn off the light in the ceiling however. Can't imagine needing to watch it on my phone.

[@Kansika]

I'm watching this on my One+ 6 on a park bench wishing I were at home watching this on a my 35" VA or 32" IPS for comparison. The display you use affects the way you see all this. U can't watch a review of an IPS panels color range on a VA panel, or see the refresh time of a VA on an IPS.

[@Lishtenbird]

Bold of you to assume that our "tablets or smartphones" got to have OLED screens...

[@brucethen]

@@Lishtenbird true. I have no idea which ones aren't

[@gmaxsfoodfitness3035]

@@brucethen Most smartphones don't have OLED screens. You have to pay extra for that.

[@spacechannelfiver]

Would love to see this content actually HDR encoded, am viewing on a Macbook Pro which has pretty good support for HDR but am looking for a HDR screen for my main PC. Without going into silly money the Inzone looks like the best fit for me (productivity, daylight usage, gaming) - but it doesn't have enough dimming zones and the 4k resolution is too high to sustain high refresh without a chonky GPU and some upscaling

[@spaghettilocomotive]

Sadly your options are severely limited, but instead of buying the fastest gpu you could always just render at 1800p, they say it barely affects the image quality.

[@IdeoDLaw]

also 27 ...

[@rodrigoferreiramaciel4815]

what a GREAT video!!! I'd love to see some comparison in the future between high xone count ips, va and oled :)

[@jjdizz1l]

This was a great review and perfect demonstration in depth.

[@Saturn2888]

I thought this was some knockoff channel, but man is this good content! I learned a ton about backlight dimming; thanks!

[@YassirHafce]

Thank you so much these videos, they are very helpful, keep up the great work 👍 👌 I was always fan of the Chanel and i always will be.

[@Nick_Kearney]

Monitors Unboxed needs an intro and outro.

[@desmondbrown5508]

I'm still of the mindset that 5000 - 6000 dimming zones (somewhere in there) is going to be the sweet spot for VA mini LED. Anything over that will be heavily diminishing returns and thus not worth the extra cost. Anything too far below that amount of dimming zones will likely suffer quite a bit of blooming still. I'm honestly waiting for that moment. That's the point at which I think mini LED will truly take over OLED because otherwise mini LED just doesn't suffer almost any of the issues of OLED. The only other possible issue is of course pixel response, but that's resolved with IPS screens... and again if we bump that dimming zone count up about another 1000 from the VA displays (maybe 1500) we'll have that resolved as well.

[@libertyprime9307]

This type of content is why you guys are the best Techtubers.

[@tommymohlen8919]

Pleasure as always Sir! Keep up the awesome work, you really are filling a void for us in my humble opinion Thank you

[@Jeriks]

The inzone is actually $50 more expensive than the neo g7 in Norway, at approx $1350 and $1300

[@LEGnewTube]

Massively appreciate these comparisons. Thank you!

[@_bubblefart_]

Why no word about black crush? At 19:33 you can clearly see a loss of detail with the Neo G7 at the bottom of the tree. This is why I'm considering either a monitor with less dimming zones or ips. In my opinion, not seeing detail is worse than raised blacks..

[@shahrukhwolfmann6824]

Thanks a lot Tim, this is great content. NEO G7 rules in HDR content and there are no burn-in issues to worry about either. Woohoo! :)

[@pekuja]

This was really useful! Makes the differences really clear. Right now the Neo G7 looks quite nice, though I'm not sure if I want to go for that curved format, so I might still wait, especially since I would hope 4K QD-OLEDs are around the corner, not to mention competing IPS and VA panels with 1k+ FALD zones.

[@branchprediction9923]

Why not go with the qd oled alienware? In my experience a 21:9 1440p monitor is way more immersive than a 16:9 4k monitor. I agree tho, a curved 16:9 monitor is not the way to go.

[@pekuja]

For just gaming I'd probably go with it, but I would prefer a taller monitor for productivity use. Could possibly go for 3840x1600 but that's not very common.

[@_sneer_]

Tim, 5:26 the one in the row below, on the left shows that halo effect much clearer. At least it is much more noticeable on my monitor. 7:21 I can see no major difference between G7 & M9, as both bloom half way down the screen, the M9 maybe looks better in this regard. On the Spectrum the whole thing is lit up a small bit but at least it is consistent. I was considering G7 and an oled LG when I was shoppping for a monitor, but oled is too dark for my liking in a well lit/sunny room and VA tends to ghost too much. Got an IPS, so I can use it during the day as well.

[@Lazarosaliths]

Amazing demonstration

[@graemelarter2829]

Tim is doing a good job , from selling Tv s 3 things are key first is making a true black , second making a true red both are the hardest to define and is at person discretion and third motion flow and noting motion tarring.

[@MarceloTezza]

Superb content! Mission acomplished Sir!

[@xicofir3737]

Well the LG TV I have in the living room, has a full section in the marketing page, explaining why full array local dimming is way better than edge dimming or no local dimming. You scroll to the spec section, and states that the screen uses edge dimming. The uniformity on the panel is awful.

[@jakekeele]

Purchased this monitor when it was released and am using it with my PS5 and M1 MacBook Pro. So far I’m loving it except for some parts of the HDR. I say some parts because when watching movies and gaming in HDR, I notice the local dimming (when set to high) causing the image to exhibit haloing that looks different from what I’ve seen in other Sony LED backlight displays. This only happens in a pitch black room with no bias lighting but it’s actually kinda distracting. To the point where I feel like turning local dimming to low is a better option with HDR content. I find it’s most noticeable with contrasty HDR movie scenes but when you know what to look for it’s noticeable with pretty much all HDR content. You get haloing in the form of squiggly white lines that move around frame depending where highlighted objects/subjects are in the frame. Not sure if it’s just my panel but given that the monitor has none of the screen defects people have been posting online about, I want to say I have a solid panel. Just wondering if anyone can add to this discussion. I love this monitor and if this is a normal backlight consequence on a 27 inch screen, I’m willing to put up with it. But if it’s a defect, then I feel like I should swap it out while the return window is still good. Thanks all 🤘🏼

[@Silveraga]

Would've love for you to compare those 3 with the AW34 from dell too. To see the difference with QD-OLED.

[@lupagodlajka]

Awesome video. Got exactly what I was looking for. Im interested in buying 2300 zones monitor and wanted to check how many is enough. Thanks!

[@ligh7foo7]

Thanks Excellent video I never saw or understood the difference until today 😃

[@ligh7foo7]

I have been watching for the last 5 - 10 years 👍

[@iseeu-fp9po]

Tim, I love your content. Please continue!

[@JohnDoe-yv8yn]

Great video, i understand it all alot better now!

[@SoundJudgment]

FANTASTIC Coverage! This is a Review Channel one can proudly Subscribe to... as well as recommend to others. Bravo!!

[@DETERMINOLOGY]

Neo G7 looks clear with mostly little to no blooming but to i can see why people would go for the other 2 as it may appear brighter.

[@paulcox2447]

Coming from the TV space one thing I will say is that Sony does a better job with local dimming than other companies in regards that they use less zones and tend to get a good result.

[@shycreation9418]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of the raised blacks simply due to ips contrast vs va? The 96 zone and the edge lit look generally the same since neither can effectively show black anyways. I'd like to see this same comparison between zones but with all va panels

[@anonnomnom3282]

8:47 Why does that pink stuff look so strange on the Neo G7, is that supposed to look like that?

[@VaMpiRe-xo8er]

3:49 Samsung G8 at second line box weird Flickering!

[@ninjaslash52_98]

it stands to reason a 2000 dimming zone would be better if only slightly noticeable but are there any concerns when it comes to 2000 dimming zones like issues with blooming on moving objects at least compared to 1000(1196)

[@nightstorm10]

Would have loved to see how the 384 zone panels compare

[@kerenton5897]

I would never go less than 1000, they used to sell 576 and even that was bad blooming in gaming.

[@ricardolmendes]

Godlike content as always. Steve, give Tim a raise xD

[@hamzashaikh9310]

Does anyone know where i can find that night scene park\garden with lights video used at 16min mark to show contrast ratio by reviewers ?

[@doctorfresh3856]

What about Monitors that have no dimming? How would that show on backlight when explosions and stuff happen? Does the whole screen brighten up when an explosion happens on a monitor with no Dimming Zones?

[@Lishtenbird]

Then it depends on if you have Dynamic Contrast (or whatever similar feature) turned on or not (assuming the display has that feature at all). Without it, nothing happens; everythings stays as is all the time. (Arguably, this is better because it's not as distracting; the picture just isn't "as good", but it is at least consistently "not as good".) With it, you essentially have 1 dimming zone, so yes, the whole display shifts in brightness - lower at darker images, higher at brighter images. (Arguably, this is bad because it's distracting, but not as bad as edge-lit dimming because it's consistently distracting. TVs love that feature though and often have it set by default, because most TV users don't care, while bigger fake numbers sell better.)

[@denisruskin348]

This is the video I needed. G7 Neo is my next monitor. The price jump from the Sony is so justfied, provided you really want HDR gaming.

[@branchprediction9923]

I agree

[@magottyk]

Really should be using edge lit VA panel for comparison. 16:18 where you point out that the VA technology allows for very fine detail in a zone that should be affected by blooming in the 1196 zone monitor as it is in the 96 zone IPS monitor. This seems to be a case where the panel technology is doing more for black levels than the number of FALD zones. Being an owner of a 144Hz 43" Display HDR 1000 VA edge lit monitor (AOC G4309VX/D), I don't see the horrible black levels and blooming that is shown inherent to IPS based HDR panels. While undoubtedly the ideal combination for viewing HDR content is a combination of a high quality VA panel with lots of FALD zones, there's the little fact that here in Australia it cost me $1100 for my 43" edge lit, whilst the 32" neo G7 is $700 more @$1799. Having watched numerous 4K HDR blu ray movies on this monitor, I only recall ever seeing noticeable edge lit blooming on test videos with high black content with small super bright flashy bits streaming across the monitor (designed to look great on OLED) and not on actual movies which tend to be letterboxed and blooming would show through on the black bars from edge lit, which it doesn't. So sorry Tim, but if the objective is to highlight the advantages of FALD and lots of zones over the other options, you really need to eliminate the panel technology variable. Comparing VA HDR to IPS HDR black levels, is like comparing TN to IPS for colour accuracy.

[@slartibartfast2649]

Do you think LCD will still be competitive in 10 years or so or do you think it will have been mostly displaced by OLED? Will strobing, response times and local dimming ever be able to match OLED's clarity and black levels and will OLED ever overcome burn-in, brightness issues and power consumption?

[@hariskhan01]

I think Mini LED with lots of zones is good enough for most.

[@sojirou]

OLED is likely a stop gap measure till we get affordable >100,000 zone microLED. OLED suffer brightness limitations (mostly non-issue now) and longevity issues with permanent burn-in. Even QD-OLED suffers burn-in and my 4 month old AW3423DW already has the taskbar burnt-in which remains even after running panel refresh.

[@AdamH7]

OLED is looking like it's going to replace it. Should have started sooner tbh.

[@hariskhan01]

@@sojirou Yeah Mini LED FTW👍👍

[@cl4ster17]

@@sojirou microLED is the subpixels themselves being individual LEDs just like OLED.

[@ligh7foo7]

I think I can add blueming to my vocabulary as I have struggled to explain to some people how the night is not dark. They imagine night time to be like the 1196 VA monitor whereas I see it in 96 zone mode and edge lit mode. 3:40 I have seen the sky and surrounding environment in all these shades of black, grey and white. Tonight with a half moon I could see how it created a blueming effect in the sky so I would describe the sky as a 96 zone HDR sky 😜

[@GraveUypo]

it's blooming, not blueming.

[@charaznable8072]

I love videos like these unlike the ones throwing around "oh this is 1000nits so you will get the best HDR quality" but say nothing about only having only 28 zones as if it would make no difference in how the HDR picture would look. IMO contrast matters maybe even more than brightness itself which is why OLED is so popular. Oh also dimming latency is also a big thing which is why their AI processing needs alot of work TV's aren't even there yet will definitely be a few more years to see monitor hit it.

[@rrrrexx]

18:37 I'd prefer to see more details. Even on my non HDR monitor i set Mac gamma, it's much better than default, especially with some extra light in room

[@PokeKaza]

Upcoming monitors with around 500 will be interesting to add when they are out

[@ricco123tube]

I have a 58" full array backlit Panasonic tv, a tv which has pretty much the most zones of any tv. It is blooming awesome for an LCD screen using led backlights. It is not as good as the 55" LG oled we also have, no surprise really, but it does perform well for tv and moveies, but not so well with games. On its own it's good, but when you jump on to the oled it just feels so much more responsive, hard to describe unless you experience it yourself. Anyway, great video. I concur with the great explanation.

[@just_some_guy3687]

please make a review on the nzxt canvas 27q and 32q i think it would be really interesting as nzxt (to my knowledge) has not made a monitor ever and im also considering this for my pc bulid

[@realizewave1513]

is it possible to have 1000+ fald zones on screen with low input lag and fast response times (with the zones enabled)?

[@daemonwhite3740]

I'd still really like to see these comparisons with an SDR monitor in the mix

[@Slay1337pl]

I'd like to see a comparison of a non-FALD VA panel, and a 96 zone IPS. Although setting the doubtful value of such a comparison aside, finding the monitors for this may be difficult.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Tim, Thanks so much for taking the time to make these Explanative Videos for Monitors, even watching on my 1080p 75hz IPS I could see a big difference in the side by side images I'll Definitely not be thinking about HDR for my PC until I can afford a 1000+ FALD or OLED Monitor as I will be disappointed compared to my LG C1 Tv.

[@VeritronX]

I watched this on my phone with an oled screen.. could barely notice the difference most of the time. the vignette effect on th g7 bothers me more than the lack of dimming from the edge lit display

[@peterscott2662]

Kind of bummer that the one with the most zones is also the VA panels with much better native contrast which is a significant confounding factor.

[@AliHassan-gu7op]

does this stuff matter in SDR as much. I never found OLED that mind blowing on the monitor considering you end up cutting the full pannel brightness in half. and if you double your monnitor for work and play it just dosent feel as good.

[@cheater00]

On the tree demo with black bars, the Neo G7 shows the bottom left side of the tree as very dark. Don't you feel that this is way darker than intended? Looks like some sort of bug to be honest.

[@Cloudcrof7]

I will wait for CES 2023 and see the new Monitor/ TV and decide which ones I will buy for mainly use on Playstation 5/ Nintendo Switch/PC.

[@Maxwell1725P]

I got the Neo G8, which is very similar to the new G7. it's a lovely monitor, except for the aggressive monitor curve... I'd prefer it had less curve or not at all. also, for productivity I turn off dimming. It makes small images in screen to be dimmed.

[@alexandru3788]

Just a a thought but in real world there is never an absolute black scene, so in this sense spectrum or inzone are the most realistic since even a little bit of light is diffused around and spread out in the area. Pure black separated from bright lights is then unnatural. Is this making sense?

[@dgdev69]

This is mind-blowing

[@Gabu_Dono]

Very informative, thank you.

[@mrxcs]

I would like to see G7 vs G7 Neo, both VA.

[@thevisi0naryy]

Would really like to see 500-/+ zones vs 1100-/+ zones.

[@Lishtenbird]

3:30 Wait... is that PWM dimming on Neo G7?

[@Lishtenbird]

Ah, Tim mentions that at 5:31. TBH, could be a real dealbreaker for people sensitive to flicker; depending on actual Hz, of course, but that being visible on camera doesn't inspire confidence.

[@Swiglr]

Would It be posible to get links to the available KZbin videos. I'm trying to stroke my ego about buying a oled without having a g7 next to it.

[@4mb127]

If you clip the highs and lows when taking pictures, you can just take HDR images on the camera, you know, right? Then compress it down to sRGB the way that is most demonstrative of the technology in the monitors.

[@Navhkrin]

I made a python application that basically tries to simulate effect and quality of local dimming based on user-entered number of zones. Results was basically this: When we can have 64K zones it is basically indistinguishable from OLED

[@stevenfries7032]

and at that point, might as well go micro led.

[@2709rahulravindran]

One more thing to revisit is how good windows hdr is at this point of time. Is it better than the last time I checked was full of display bugs on an application basis where the hdr wouldn't work properly

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

what about monitor with minimal dimming and without it

[@bob-pv1zp]

Why does Tim keep saying 1000 zones on neo g7 when 1200 is much closer to the real amount of zones? Hmmmm. The 196 zones that he leaves out is more than the other two monitors combined.

[@j3poysy]

Thanks for this

[@animegeek6118]

I’m currently using a 55in C1 but I’m looking to downsize but after playing on oled I’m not sure what would be a good alternative.

[@john_enx]

Does VA black smearing affect Qled or QDled monitors?

[@Adgale]

Does local dimming work in non HDR content?

[@iwanwirawardhana]

INNOCN M2U (USD480). Its a 4K miniLED with HDR1000 and almost 99% adobe rgb, dci-p3, srgb. Now it is priced at about USD480. Only downside is its 60hz. Would you mind doing this monitor review? Thank you.

[@nejihiashi]

Excellent video can you do another with top TVs like Samsung qn90b vs top monitors like neo g7 and neo g9

[@TechLevelUpOfficial]

Thanks for the video Tim, now instead of wasting a lot of time explaining this to people i will just end up sharing this video with them. this should be common knowledge to force manufacturers to be honest and stop misleading consumers.