Why He Doesn't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist, with Frank Turek

[@thebeatagp]

Love both of these KZbinrs right here! Great job!

[@peacefuldoves]

You're included too Allen! Hi dear Sir, Brother in Christ. What a great interview right!? The three reasons for a conspiracy was gooooooood! ❤

[@paulinhisprime8440]

Hey it's Allen. Looking forward to tomorrow live stream!!

[@paulinhisprime8440]

I love how frank is always wearing safety glasses

[@peacefuldoves]

Hehe. That tickled me 🇬🇧

[@justbobshalfhourshow695]

Thanks for pointing that out. Now all I need is for Norm Abrams to show up with his biscuit cutter.

[@holyhoff8521]

Such clarity. Thank you both

[@darrenmiller6927]

I absolutely love Alisa Childers! What a great interview. Another great guest. Another relevant, provocative, and thoughtful topic. More great questions. She and Dr Sean McDowell are often my angels. They make learning truth fun and exciting. We get to know some unusual, intelligent, and colorful people along the way. Thank God for Alisa Childers. Much love from California.

[@angietorok8389]

These conversations with atheist gets so old. They ask the same questions over and over again but none of them ever goes to seek the answer for themselves. The most basic questions refuting Christianity have been beaten to death through apologetics. Why can't they just look a few things up?

[@kelly91313]

I love this Q & A! Fantastic conversation about important topics every Christian should be thinking about. I’m wondering what you would say to how you should share your faith with non Christian friends? I have some friends that I would like to share some of this information with, but I’m just not sure how to go about it? It seems like everyone today tends to be more surface level and I find that most people don’t like to get deep into beliefs. Any advice would be helpful.

[@davidlafleche1142]

The existence of Jerusalem proves the existence of God. There's a lot of other ways to get the point across.

[@rodkoehler]

@@davidlafleche1142 Balogna.

[@davidlafleche1142]

@@rodkoehler Why?

[@calummacritchie7840]

I've known someone who said the Bible is sexist. Having learned more about the Bible, I wish I'd have said 'Have you read Proverbs 31?'

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

If you don't agree with God, does that mean he doesn't exist?

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Do you know Alisa is NOT ALLOWED to be a pastor ?? 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. LOL

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@sanjeevgig8918 She's not assuming authority over a man. In a church setting, if she preached instead of men then yes I agree. The over a man part is the important part I think.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Glad to see you agree that the Bible is sexist.. LOL

[@calummacritchie7840]

@@sanjeevgig8918 By what standard is any kind of sexism wrong?

[@christinafulkerson8649]

Thank you for this interview! May the Lord continue to bless these avenues of helping the average believer grow in clarity and understanding! 🙏🏻🕊

[@ourtexasjourney1850]

Can’t wait to watch this! I’ve been watching all his videos.

[@jordangray4613]

Hey Frank you are amazing 👏 your explanations are just too too good. Love to keep on listening to you. God bless you abundantly and use you mightily.

[@snoopycharlie8718]

Commenting at the introduction - looking forward to next few episodes! 👍🏻

[@prico3358]

My questions is: Early church forsake everything secular and were defined by selfless traditions, then came the martyrs, after the martyrs came the monks and the órders of the monks who literaly forsake everything. I asume a theme were traditions stray away from selfless traditions to join the world.. then it comes back to a theme of "leave everything behind and follow Jesús". I Guess My question is, How does are modern Christian traditions compare to early church traditions? And are we keeping their initial intentions for our traditions today?

[@ameliaportman7046]

Keep up the good work Alisa.

[@frankalbertyap9132]

Praise God for His works! Bless these people who commit their lives to spread the Good News.

[@donnaross7531]

For the moral argument they said it's only to have our society thrive for survival.

[@godscowboyswrvcc518]

I’m on a satellite so every time there’s a commercial my system has to buffer for awhile before the video resumes It took me almost 2 hours to get through this video because ever 5 minutes there was another commercial Can you maybe back the retail advertising off to maybe 15 minutes

[@joshbeard9809]

Even adults struggle with trying to fit in. The last 3 years is evident of peer approval is most Americans desire. Not seeking truth or holiness.

[@smattt]

Re: the NT writers being conspiracy theorists, Frank made a great point about what they stood to gain. As he explained and we know, they got neither money nor power nor women; so they stood to gain absolutely nothing. In fact they got the opposite of power and money when they were persecuted and killed. Like a detective ought to ask the question "Who stands to benefit the most from this event?" when dealing with a homicide investigation, we should do the same here. When you look at Christianity and the NT writers, the only folks who stood to benefit were the people who listened to them (having their eyes opened to the 'mystery'). If you ask that same question of say, Islam, the answer is quite revealing. Muhammad went from being a nobody to suddenly wielding money, power and women (girls even).

[@tarp-grommet]

Ten minutes of investigation would reveal to you that the source documents for the NT date to 350 AD and the authors are still a mystery. Speculating on who gained what is a bit silly.

[@aeasthouse316]

@@tarp-grommet you come to your conclusions because you spent 10min on your research. Take more time and Kuno you will learn that your statement is clearly not true. There is so much proof out there showing that the gospels were written by the original apostles. Much written before the fall of Jerusalem.

[@tarp-grommet]

@@aeasthouse316 "There is so much proof out there showing that the gospels were written by the original apostles." No there is not and you can't bring any that is credible. The only solution is to pray to your god and tell him it's time to come out of hiding so apologists don't have to make stuff up.

[@aeasthouse316]

@@tarp-grommet do some research, you'll find it - I'm going out on a limb that you are going on hearsay. Ask any historic scholar (Christian or none Christian) and you'll find that as far as a historic document its as good as any we have for historic accuracy 2000 years ago. There are many doctorate thesis's done by none Christians with regards to the historic accuracy of the written data used in the Bible and collaborated by none biblical text. There are very few academics that debate the contrary. What you are questioning is historic empirical evidence and this leads to historic accuracy. As to proving divinity thats a another matter but you were claiming that the gospels were written 350AD is completely unsubstantiated. I have tones of text books and academic papers on this matter.

[@tarp-grommet]

​@@aeasthouse316 Like I said, there is no proof that the gospels were written by the original apostles and you cannot provide any because it simply does not exist. And yes, the oldest known version of the new testament is the Codex Sinaiticus which dates to 350AD. Fragments of some of the books have been found that date to as early as 150AD. If you think that the apostles got together and wrote the new testament then you have been drinking the evangelical Kool Aid.

[@AR-rz3tk]

Question: I have seen clips of Andy Stanley disregarding scripture, in particular the Torah( Old Testament). So hearing what your explanations on presupposition, etc. Is A.S. being misrepresented? I hope this question makes sense. Personally, I am sensitive about misunderstanding a person's position on these matters. I loved that you drew out Frank's thoughts on that more to avoid misrepresentation. Thank you. ❤

[@urbanusadhikari6722]

I humbly request to discuss on Baptism and Lord supper... Waiting for the topic...

[@Oreo_the_CattleDog]

Great video

[@TheBravedave87]

loved this! :)

[@loribarnard5354]

Most importantly, God must give us the faith to even believe the truth of the Gospel!!

[@DRayL_]

...illusory....

[@estherjohnson253]

Can you create a short clip on his response to the question about Job? I love to pass this along.

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍

[@hondotheology]

here's a question for Frank: if the bible says, "We walk by faith and not by sight," contrasting faith against what we see and understand, why do you say that faith isn't blind, and that faith depends on reason and evidence, completely contradicting what the verse says?

[@benitaalmond3991]

Because there is evidence for an unseen God! It is also written: Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

[@hondotheology]

@@benitaalmond3991 read the rest of the verse BENITA. _because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them._ God has already revealed this to men not "men understand the evidence of Creation." Turek is a fraud

[@UpriseMusic]

If the goal is just to promote yourself and the work of your friends - get back into music. Infomercials like this don’t help people reach God. I shut it off at 24:04

[@angietorok8389]

I hate to have to do this, but I'm going to play devil's advocate. Around the 40-minute mark, Frank discusses the implausibility of creating a narrative that will get you killed. I am a believer and I fully accept what Frank is saying, but I can think of an argument. What came to my mind was first Jim Jones, and secondly, the Islamic faith.

[@angietorok8389]

The problem now with the moral argument is that people are willing to go so far as to say "Ok. So there's no morality. Nothing is right or wrong." Then they quickly follow up with, "I mean, I would never torture a baby for fun, but I guess that means someone else can do it if they want to." People are THAT compromised. Their consciences are seared, and soon they will be torturing babies for fun too.

[@jonatand2045]

It has always been posible to torture babies and some might have gotten away with it, religion or not. That you don't like the fact doesn't mean objective morality exists. It also doesn't mean people are going to disobey their values, just like knowing taste is subjective isn't going to make you abandon your favorite food.

[@angietorok8389]

@@jonatand2045 You have a complete misunderstanding of human nature, which means you are lying to yourself about your own nature as well. That's why propoganda, advertising and mind control work so well. The powers that be count on people like you to push their agendas.

[@jonatand2045]

@@angietorok8389 Now that took a conspiratorial turn, you can't even say what exactly you disagree with and why. What is supposed to be my nature? What agenda am i pushing? How is that relevant to my points?

[@angietorok8389]

@@jonatand2045 our disagreement is on the nature of human beings. Period. If you can't see that there is much evil in the world, and that for each person to follow their every whim only plays into that, there's not much else I can say. You haven't really thought through the consequences.

[@jonatand2045]

@@angietorok8389 It's almost as if you are admitting a fallacy from consequences. I disagree with the consequences too, people don't necessarily follow their every whim by knowing the truth and those whims aren't all harmful.

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

Again, video after video on these kinds of good discussions there is a presumption that the average Christian adult is knowledgeable and well taught. The teaching in the average congregation is shallow at best, not all adults but probably most. Parents are the ones that should be teaching their own children, not so called youth ministers. The average congregation cannot even look among its own men for Elders. They are hardly even qualified to interview any man when looking for an Elder, especially one they do not know, which is critical according to 1 Timothy 3. Many who are Pastors today are all over the place concerning their beliefs, including the fact that Pastors, in private, will admit they are not even teachers of scripture. I'm speaking from first hand knowledge of several I know personally. I advised them to immediately resign because they are not qualified to be an Elder. They all remained Pastor and I would nolonger attend there. The lack of integrity in congregations today is glaring. Apologetics are absolutely necessary: Creation of the universe; fine-tuning of the universe; the fossil records importance; the irreducible complexity found in the single living cell with the nano machinery, billions of bits of information and operating systems, etc.; Foresight, in all creation by a mind and power outside of time and space. Textual Criticism of the Greek New Testament manuscripts, Hebrew and Greek Old Testament; and more, but first, the teaching of God's breathed words need to be known and understood by Christian adults, especially those who have been born again for many years. By the way, people before Christ were not given that name for salvation. The command to repent today includes the Gospel of our salvation. People, for some strange reason, seem to forget that the Holy Spirit is working, bringing conviction, drawing all to Jesus as Jesus claimed in John 12:32. Frank is right about this: it should be clear that if one wants to know about God he will by his Spirit reveal the Gospel of their salvation.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

The Universe is 14 BILLION years old. So, god created the universe 14 BILLION years ago and then sat around for 13.999999 BILLION years. lol

[@The_Revealer_7]

I had this desire to know the true gospel of the new testament. Later it was revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. I also felt my power of thinking was increased. I am forever grateful for this enlightenment. We owe our lives and salvation to God.

[@reality1958]

@@sanjeevgig8918 its a silly doctrine if you think about it

[@jeffphelps1355]

Your theology is very weak. What seems like billions of yrs to humans is like a day to God. If your going to be skeptical you could educate yourself before you make silly comments

[@skippy675]

@@jeffphelps1355 well said. All the evidence you need to be assured that humans are indeed created in the image and likeness of God are farts. These prove beyond any doubt that we have souls, are above other earthly animals, and were created with a purpose to seek out a relationship with our creator.

[@clm3436]

Can't even use the term evil if there is no God 🤔

[@PauliePizza]

Bad, wrong, wrongful, foul, vile,base,ignoble, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenrate, villainous , nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, diabolical, fiendish, dark blackhearted, odious, contemptable, horrible,warped, egregious, can we use one of these instead?

[@prico3358]

Guys it's 2 AM

[@darrylelam256]

The earth is a globe. meaning that just because its 2am where you are that doesn't mean its 2am where other people are.

[@gmlr]

I never felt the moral argument is a very good one. In my opinion it doesn't hold much weight. But I think Alisa is almost too honest in spelling out why some Apologists love it so much at 00:17:47: "At that point they're basically saying that you can't say that it's not objectively wrong to torture a child for fun - and nobody wants to be THAT guy." It's built around the shock value of thinking of tortured children and around backing your opponent into a corner with that. Not around an intellectually compelling argument.

[@downenout8705]

Anyone who believes that morality is grounded in the Christian God needs to read the following examples of Yahweh/Jesus slaughtering babies and the unborn: by drowning in (Genesis 7: 22); burning to death in (Genesis 19: 24 ); putting to the sword in (1 Samuel 15:3 & Numbers 31: 17) and putting to death just to show off in (Exodus 11:5), before they question any atheists secular morality. I personally refuse to be lectured on the subject by anyone who has sacrificed their humanity on the alter of such a barbaric deity. I call the slaughter of babies and the unborn objectively immoral and if that condemns me to eternal torture then so be it.

[@gmlr]

@@downenout8705 I guess it proves the fallen nature of this world that you fail to recognize the personified, absolute and good moral standard that stands behind all the examples that you gave... As you see, my problem is rather that nobody seems to give good evidence that an objective standard exists other than intuition and emotional manipulation - but you've got a point as well.

[@downenout8705]

@@gmlr I have read Psalm 14 but it is you who is the fool if you think for one moment that I don't recognise the personified absolute and good moral standard that lies behind all the examples I gave. It's called secular humanism and is grounded in wellbeing and human flourishing. By that standard I can objectively determine that the slaughter of babies and the unborn is objectively immoral. I know however, that by your moral standard, that is based on a collection of ancient writings, you determine that slaughtering babies and the unborn is objectively morally good. I, as a nuero typical, empathic human who believes that babies need tender loving care not being drowned, burnt alive and put to the sword, find your moral standards to be utterly depraved and sickening to my very core.

[@morlewen7218]

@@downenout8705 Whenever you bring up this argument Christians throw moral absolutism out of the window and switch to moral relativism. They jump to special pleading in the case of Jesus and you have to take the circumstances into account.

[@downenout8705]

@@morlewen7218 Yep, or alternatively, as with gmlr, they defecate all over 1 Peter 3: 15 and run away and hide.

[@snoopycharlie8718]

Alisa is so threatening 1:14:15 🤭

[@tarp-grommet]

We have civil and criminal law to deal with the wrongdoers. Anything they don't deal with falls into the realm of thought crimes or trivial mistakes. Any god that would consign a person to eternal capital punishment for those must be a monster. Don't you agree?

[@andywinger4197]

Right. God loves us sooo much, and if we don't believe that we spend eternity in hell. Laughable nonsense.

[@andywinger4197]

I can say that it doesn't take much faith to be an atheist. As an atheist who listens to Christian radio (I'm fascinated by the herding of humans) I'm just wondering how many others are like me. I mean, who is his audience? Based on comments here I'd say his audience is Christians. So he's preaching to the choir? Yesterday I heard Frank talk about abortion. I have to say, at least he's consistent. Whenever I see comments equating abortion to murder I always ask what they would tell the 14 year old girl who was raped by her uncle. If they tell her not to "murder her baby" she might just be in a state of mind to off herself. But that's precisely what Frank would tell her. Ok, to be fair, he'd prefer the state government tell her that.

[@aeasthouse316]

why would a university professor present to students. We all learn from others, so not "perching to the choir", rather educating fellow Christians and none Christians. As to abortions, you were a foetus as well. A living human being in the womb. Thanks to the wisdom of your and my parents we are now able to have this discussion. There are yearly over 800,000 children in the USA alone being deprived from life due to bad decisions from their parents. Only 5% of these are conceived due to rape or incest or potential medical complications. only 5%. the other 95% are due to poor decisions and the inability to take responsibility for peoples actions and the willingness to kill to get rid of poor decisions. Thats 760,000 babies being denied every year.....

[@dahelmang]

Yeah I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. There are too many questions atheists can't answer. And what does the word murder mean? Taking an innocent life. Who is more innocent than a baby? Even if the baby's father is a rapist the baby is innocent. So from the definition of the word it would be murder. Now legally speaking there is room for compromise there because the girl did not consent to the sex so she did not consent to becoming pregnant. But you didn't make a very good case for that.

[@andywinger4197]

@@dahelmang I'm not going to make a good case for abortions to relieve inconvenience either but I'm 100% in favor of that. I'm not in favor of murdering babies. I'm fine with terminating unwanted pregnancies for any reason or no reason. I'm assuming a woman won't arbitrarily decide to do that after 7 or 8 months of pregnancy but problems arise that make termination the best option.

[@dahelmang]

@@andywinger4197 so you aren't in favor of murdering babies but you are in favor of murdering babies if they have not been born yet? Why? On what basis do you assume the mother has a good reason? At the very least taking a human life should have some sort of oversight other than the doctor being paid to kill the baby.

[@andywinger4197]

@@dahelmang We could argue over terminology forever and that's what we're doing. You say it's murder; I and about 2/3 or more of Americans say its terminating an unwanted pregnancy. Life begins at inception, and often ends soon after because it wasn't viable for whatever reason. To me, a fetus in a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant should be considered unviable.

[@jeffphelps1355]

Frank has demonstrated that atheism is not based on lack of belief or evidence. It's based on personal opinion and feelings. Just because you can't "convince" an individual atheist on the evidence for God that doesn't mean it's not valid.

[@DRayL_]

Turek hasn't demonstrated this at all. Atheism is a response. A response to the claim "a god exists". Without corroborated and credible evidence, there's no reason to accept the claim. It's no different than any "god claim" from other religions that you don't have a reason to accept.

[@reesepieces92]

Why is this book so awful and daunting to read? I can't be the only 1 that thinks this right?

[@chardo24]

He believes in God but he has no faith.

[@tarp-grommet]

No Frank, atheists do not "argue against the existence of god". Why? For the same reason you don't argue against the Invaders From Mars.

[@andywinger4197]

Right. I'm an atheist but I'll admit to the possibility of a god. The evidence is strong that if there is a god he/she/it/they care nothing about what humans do to each other or the planet. But I don't argue against the existence because I don't care what others believe, as long as those beliefs are benign. I do care about Christians being manipulated for political and financial benefits to the major donors.

[@dahelmang]

If you believe God might exist that makes you an agnostic, not an atheist. Atheists believe God cannot exist so that statement requires evidence.

[@dharmadefender3932]

He doesn't have enough brain power to be an atheist. He has plenty of faith.

[@reality1958]

I don't have enough evidence to be a Christian

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

So you have a default that you need proved false. The default is atheism. The only reason it's your default is because that's the model you grew up around. If you grew up around Christianity, your default would be God. Either way, it's very hard to break out of what you were indoctrinated with as a child. I didn't have enough evidence to be Christian either until I discovered the earth is flat and stationary. KZbin DITRH, Rob Skiba, and Glen Mustian (in order from most secular to most Christian)

[@reality1958]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr it never ceases to amaze the chutzpah that Christians exercise. The arrogance of telling someone they know what they think, how they grew up, etc. And they are almost always wrong. Not a good track record. So I will correct your mistake. I was raised in a Christian family, as so many atheists were, but we weren't very religious. I went into the Navy in 1977 and was born again in 1978. I've read the bible cover to cover and was heavily into apologetics. It was this study that compelled my deconversion. My atheism is driven by the logic of a lack of verifiable evidence for any gods. My rejection of the bible/Christianity is driven by the extreme immorality within.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@reality1958 As you sit over there saying the bible is definitely not the Word of God. It's either true or it's not!

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@reality1958 You should reject Christian in name only people who are immoral. God will reject them too. That doesn't mean it's not true.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@reality1958 "lack of verifiable evidence for any gods." You must mean in your lifetime or in the last few centuries. There's actually quite a bit of evidence for gods before then. If God has chosen to not be obvious in the last couple thousand years, does that mean he never existed ever?

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Remember people: god loves you so much, he created hell, just in case you don't love him back. lol

[@bengochea64]

Just because you have daddy issues doesn't mean your Spiritual Father isn't there for you. 🙏

[@skippy675]

@@bengochea64 how do we know that we are created in the image and likeness of God? How do we know that we are not mere byproducts of evolution? That we are set apart from other beasts that roam the earth? That we have a purpose to seek out a relationship with he who has created us? Farts. I fart, therefore there is no doubt that I am a divinely inspired child of God! Amen!

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@bengochea64 Your Spiritual Father Yaheweh/Jesus commanded babies be drowned in the flood, the Amalekites babies be killed, the Canaanite babies be killed, the Midianites boy babies be killed, the Egyptian firstborn babies be killed and the babies in Sodom and Gomorrah be killed.

[@pinklavender12]

Just remember God loves you so much He's given you freewill. Free to choose not to love Him back. 😑

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@pinklavender12 So, god* knew that he will have to send son-of-god* and kill him for a day and half to save god's* creation from god's* wrath. LOL

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

When I was agnostic, it was a compelling argument to me that given billions of stars, billions of planets, and if that's not enough, throw in infinite universes, you don't need a God. So I'd already thought through that and it was a wall for me. Call me crazy, but until I found out the earth was flat, I didn't know there was a God. Now a flat earth universe has to be created! There aren't billions of solar systems. There is just one earth and lights in the firmament.

[@downenout8705]

Lmao

[@mimishella4915]

You can't disallow the law of physics by a child-like view of a universe that doesn't exist and is contrary to all know facts.

[@downenout8705]

@@mimishella4915 Mimi, I am fairly certain that Romans is being sarcastic.

[@downenout8705]

@@mimishella4915 I see that you are a Christian. I suggest that you read Matthew 7: 1-5 before you dismiss Romans nonsense. Have you not read 1 Corinthians 15: 14, as you seem to have conveniently forgotten that "contrary to all known facts" you profess to believe that a dead multicellular eucaryote magically came back to life after rotting in the heat of the Levant for a couple of days some two thousand years.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@mimishella4915 The only law of physics that I don't believe exists is the theory of gravity. I fail to see modern experiments done showing objects being attracted to other objects except for magnetism. An experiment was done in a shed in the 1700s and they have just assumed it was perfection ever since. The rest of just interpreting the data in a different way.

[@maluwa6957]

Frank believes that Jesus was born of a virgin 🤣

[@PauliePizza]

he aslo believes that the bible is real because the bible says its real. and that god is into raping young virgins the same thing he supposedly cast down fallen angels. how does that work?????

[@maluwa6957]

@@PauliePizza He's one of those Christians who has given Christianity and the bible a bad name. Fundamentalists who read the bible as if it was yesterdays newspaper news fail to realize that the bible is an ancient epic which reminds us of how people back in those times lived and what they believed. And at the same time they fail to realize that been a Christian means living by the message Jesus preached, a message of peace, love and forgiveness. If more people were to heed that message, this world will turn out to be a far better place for all.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Remember people: every creation needs a creator ... EXCEPT god ... he is special - invisible, spaceless, massless, timeless all-powerful, all-knowing, all-in-all. lol

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

You're right that SOMETHING has to be uncreated. But is it this universe? I don't think this universe has the power to create everything. What's beyond this universe we don't know. So maybe. Because evolution is definitely wrong. Millions of years is not God Almighty. It can't create everything. Time creates deformities, not superpowers. And they don't get passed on to every animal in a species either. I've never seen it work even once in a tiny scale, and you think it created all the complexity we see? Utterly ridiculous.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr YES! The millions of Scientists and Archeologists and Biologists are part of a global CONSPIRACY to promote Evolution - because they hate Jesus. LOL

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@sanjeevgig8918 You probably believe in evolution. Are you part of a conspiracy? I don't think so. But you are still wrong!

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@sanjeevgig8918 The facts are true, the interpretations are not.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr YES! When I want scientific explanations I depend upon a book written by goat herders of 2000 years ago. HA HA HA

[@chardo24]

Women were not viewed as equally valuable to men in the Bible. In fact, Jesus did no chose women as disciples. To say that God is a perfect being is wrong. For to what standard of perfection you know to judge God to be perfect? What Christianity are you talking about? There were no Christians during the time Paul was writing there was not New Testament. There was no Christian religion. They were a bunch of Jews arguing that the Messiah has come. Believe has no place where truth is concern. Paul view on salvation is that Jesus Christ saves as long as you do it yourself "Make of yourself a living sacrifice. Paul and Jesus would not agree with your belief that Christ our Lord is going to do it for you.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

You're holding God up to the perfection of yourself. What you think is perfect is that women and men have no different roles. You're right! God created men and women to be different! It's modern society that's wrong, not God. Tell me if this makes sense: 2 working people, and outsourcing childcare. OR 1 working person and 1 person raising up the children. Seems to make more sense to me! You need 2 male roles and then to bring in a third party? Bizarre.

[@chardo24]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr You are holding God to a superficial or sinful level of yourself. Stop playing with words and go deep into yourself to find out what it means to be one in Christ. As Paul puts it in Galatians 3:28 when we are one in Christ we are not a woman or a man, we are human beings living together beyond gender roles, race, sexual orientation, culture etc. Beyond the self, there is our common ground. The bigger picture.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@chardo24 Yeah I'm sure what Jesus meant was non binary. LGBT is the new testament all right lol. But in all seriousness, please read the new testament if you're serious.

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@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr You fool don't you understand!