Why I am no longer a Calvinist!

[@mackendylordeus1625]

Here's the Calvinist position on evangelism: we don't know who the elect are, only God knows. So we preach the gospel to everyone.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

Are you of the elect?

[@jasonashleyh]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 good question.

[@daddada2984]

Why need to preach if they will be save at all?

[@justinthrift9603]

@@daddada2984 Paul addresses this rhetorically in Romans 10. Romans 10:14-15 (NKJV): 14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

[@daddada2984]

@@justinthrift9603 in calvinism its doesn't matter if you give or hear the gospel, God will just save you.. & even if you hear the gospel if God destined you to hell you will go to hell.. The question in calvinism, why share.. just let God save them. Romans 10 is against calvinism.

[@pattube]

This clip is titled "Why I'm no longer a Calvinist" yet it doesn't give a single reason why he is no longer a Calvinist. 😵‍💫

[@oitpyc2965]

Try the longer video

[@pattube]

@@oitpyc2965 Well, I didn't have a problem with the longer video. My issue was why title a short clip "Why I am no longer a Calvinist" but then not give any reasons in the short clip for why he is no longer a Calvinist. In other words, even if he gives reasons why he's no longer a Calvinist in the longer video, it doesn't change the fact that the short clip has a misleading title.

[@Stanzi18]

With all due respect to the brother in the video, I believe he's no longer a Calvinist because he never understood limited atonement to begin with. That's just judging by what's been said in this video.

[@rawbingham]

@@Stanzi18 That says what I want to say--- (a lot nicer)...

[@thesurferdude13]

@@Stanzi18 amen… unfortunately those who don’t believe in limited atonement actually LIMIT the atonement more. No sincere Bible believing Christian can say they believe in “unlimited atonement” because that would mean that everyone is saved and therefore you are now a universalist… or that Jesus died in vain “hoping” people will come to the truth with him having no sovereign power over the believer. He ALWAYS fulfills his mission, we do not serve an impotent God… the Bible is full of Calvinistic doctrines “the doctrines of grace” in all 66 books, in every chapter. I pray that the Lord will open their eyes to what the scripture clearly teaches. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭44‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@daddada2984]

Stay away from calvinism. Stay away from fanaticism of men. Follow Jesus, become a Christian.

[@thizz707gr]

Amen bro. Calvanism is not the gospel

[@connorpusey5912]

Calvinism is not describable as “fanaticism of men”. It is a very Biblical doctrine that only got Calvin’s name tacked onto it because he taught on it during the reformation.

[@thelegendofneo]

@@connorpusey5912 it’s not biblical though. At all. Every single point of calvinism is anti biblical

[@connorpusey5912]

@@thelegendofneo Funny, because I can see scripture riddled with it’s concepts throughout.

[@thelegendofneo]

@@connorpusey5912 yeah and Muslims believe the Bible shows clearly Jesus was a Muslim and only a prophet. Mormons believe the bible clearly agrees with Joseph smith. People who say Jesus is not God say they see this concept through the whole bible. People who deny the trinity say the Bible shows this clearly. You can see whatever you want to see in the text. People genuinely say they see all over the Bible that homosexuality is not a sin. There’s only 1 truth though. And it’s not based on what you see based on ur own understanding. But what he shows. The Pharisees studies the scriptures more than anyone they couldn’t recognize who Jesus was. They taught about scriptures they didn’t even understand them. Without the Holy Spirit being the teacher and trusting in men and theologians you’ll see anything it’ll just take a convincing argument and some half truths and your sold. Men overestimate themselves. God reveals things to those like children. He hides them from the wise and learned.

[@innovationhq8230]

I thought this video would actually reference an actual reason for not being a Calvinist but I did not find that to be so.

[@oitpyc2965]

It's a short. Maybe it's worth looking at the longer video

[@luisquinones5795]

Lol, watch the full version like this wasn’t deceiving enough

[@Bombaycompany1776]

He was "fuzzy" about it.

[@jeremydean6210]

lol I agree

[@Rileyed]

Calvinism vs Arminianism “The truth does lie in one extreme; neither does it lie in the other extreme. Much less does it lie in the middle. The truth lies in both extremes held at the same time. Leaving those parallel lines without trying to join them saying,”they will never meet in my mind; parrallel lines meet only in infinity. Only an infinite all wise God can explain how he sovereignly chooses people and how he gives man free will to choose, I cannot explain it.”

[@Jonathanped]

I have literally never heard anyone, Calvinist or Arminian, say that it isn’t necessary to evangelize. Though I hear arminians accuse Calvinist’s of this claim regularly.

[@yellowcoat970]

It’s quite sad honestly I feel like debates between Calvinists and Arminians usually go down to becoming strawmen And then there’s sometimes one side saying that you have to hold their theological position to be saved You see that a lot with some Arminians all over this comment section alone saying that Calvinists are followers of Satan And high Calvinists also do the same thing Which that’d just be a violation of Galatians 1:6-9 Having a disagreement in theology doesn’t automatically make you anathema -_-

[@joshnestberg5717]

Well said

[@minorsingingairhead]

Calvinists literally have no gospel to proclaim. That's why there is merit in doubting the evangelism of Calvinists.

[@Jonathanped]

@@minorsingingairhead I don’t think history shows your claim to be true. Consider the reformation. If I understand correctly most of the reformers are Calvinistic in their theology. And many people today, myself included, thrive under that theology. Praise God that He saves rather than attempting to do so and failing. Blessings.

[@minorsingingairhead]

What is the gospel you, as a Calvinists, would proclaim to an unbeliever?

[@grod8888]

We just call a 4 point Calvinist an Arminian

[@mtac99]

Do you also require them to hate Jews - like John Calvin

[@froyvm7868]

You are right bro

[@SubmittingToGod]

👎

[@huntsman528]

So John Calvin was an Arminian???

[@eiontactics9056]

Arminianism is just Calvinism light. Both are false.

[@andje_izidor_music]

If the reason you refute Calvinism is because you think it undermine free will then you need to double check and take time to meditate on predestination and the sovereignty of God cause He'll eventually have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Many claim to be calvinists while they don't understand it therefore paint a bad picture of it that mislead those who reject it cause they don't understand it either and are heretics. The reason I will not call myself any word with the suffix "-ist" it's because mankind taught me a lesson throughout history. Words are often fine when it presents a positive ideology until they add the suffix "-ism" and "-ist". It's fine to be a human but at the second you embrace humanism and become a humanist believe it or not it is a problem. Becoming obsessed with a particular theology is a form of idolatry. If someone professes to be a follower of Christ he better not embrace any "ism".

[@JonathanGrandt]

I refute Calvinism because it teaches that people believe in order that they might perform good works which save them.

[@gigalad4191]

@@JonathanGrandt UMM... what? That is NOT what we mean. Ephesians is clear on this. Other verses make it clear that works are justified by grace, not the other way around. Good works are a result, not a factor. I know that you may have had a bad experience with Calvinism, but I would recommend that you review the acronym TULIP, understanding that this is simply talking about who is saved why we need salvation, and doesn't actively mention the Great Commission. Calvin was a whole-hearted believer in reaching out to people. Things to look up: TULIP Calvin's principles (might need to read a book about this one) Romans 1-10 (for best context) Please understand that Calvinism is not a good doctrine if used alone, but truly brings your faith to life when used with Confessions, which incorporate more beliefs. In the end, you can't replace the Bible, and daily immersion in God's word will provide the best answers. Don't just tell me that something is wrong because of someone else interpretation, but tel me it is wrong once you have been like the Bereans, and have come with an open mind to find God's answer to the question. Thank you, and have a nice day.

[@osasosas2982]

you calvinists are basically watching rc sproul and macarthur and piper and all those clowns and repeating them. if you read the bible and your proof texts in context, you will not agree with what calvinism teaches. hard headed dumb people who always go back running to the talking heads instead of actually reading the bible. pious, prideful, arrogant and acquiescent.

[@AlexisSustento]

1 Corinthians 3:1-8 3 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly-mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? 5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe-as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

[@IamGreatsword]

Thats not what calvin[ists] do, 'particular theology is a form of idolatry' strawman much? Go on and misrepresent what humble but confident ists do. go on Don quixote slay that windmill!

[@Anteater23]

Charles Spurgeon who was a Calvinist was not a hyper Calvinist. Listen to his sermon “struggles of conscience”.

[@KevinSmile]

Charles Spurgeon wanted it both ways. God called to you, and you rejected him, but also, you never could have accepted him because you weren't chosen. Rejection is meaningless if there is never an option to accept.

[@AnonymousTaco3472]

@@KevinSmile “Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭13‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ bible.com/bible/100/rom.9.13-23.NASB1995

[@AnonymousTaco3472]

@@KevinSmile you will say then, why does he find fault for who can resist Gods will. But who are you O man to answer back to God? God will have mercy on whom he has mercy and compassion on whom he has compassion

[@marshallsobin4879]

@@AnonymousTaco3472THE NEW TESTAMENT …… I think takes that concept further….. “I will harden the the hearts that I choose…. Here is the FIRE YOU MOCKED”…. wish I remembered the verse…. so call me a nut.

[@IamGreatsword]

@@KevinSmile Default is rejection, so...

[@friendyadvice2238]

"All my Father gives to me will come to me, and his will is I lose none". This is a difficult doctrine to understand but it is in the bible in black and white.

[@tonyo2195]

Not that difficult really, God justifies whoever believes in Jesus for the gift of eternal life.

[@friendyadvice2238]

@@tonyo2195 but that's not what the bible says. The bible says God chooses who he will save.

[@tonyo2195]

@@friendyadvice2238 Exactly! God chooses " whosoever " ( John 3:16 ) believes .

[@friendyadvice2238]

@@WarriorOfTheEnd indeed

[@IamGreatsword]

@@tonyo2195 You don't apparently know what whosoever means in context and misapply the meaning to fit your perspective

[@dustinsegers4534]

Wow, what kinds of Calvinists were you hanging around brother Bobby? I spent 20 years doing street evangelism and abortion clinic outreach work and 90+% of the street evangelists I worked with were Calvinistic.

[@justinthrift9603]

Yeah... I've never had the opportunity of meeting a "Hyper-Calvinist," despite hearing about their non-evangellical stance from many semi-Pelagians. I'm not saying that they don't exist, but I think it's a bogus position that hasn't really been in play since the 19th century. Just can't imagine how anyone could ever say that there's no need or reason to share the Gospel of Christ.

[@dustinsegers4534]

@@justinthrift9603 The only time I've ever run into true, bonafide modern hyper-Calvinists was when I interacted with some Primitive Baptists several years ago. That was it. Other than that, all other Calvinists I've interacted with were actually the most evangelistic Christians I've ever had the pleasure of being around.

[@thizz707gr]

@@koketsomzimba470 they are lost in many ways and preach a false depressing gospel. But yes, they are generally pretty knowledgeable about the word I'll give you that

[@Ghastly6890]

@@koketsomzimba470 🧢

[@brendanbrady1291]

​@@koketsomzimba470Amen brother I'm studying the tulip right and The Lord has been close to me.

[@stevenknapp2850]

“The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭16‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@maluill]

Why would God decree all men to fall so that he would decree some would be saved?

[@first3numbers]

@@maluill why would god value free will over saving all? In Calvinism God does not save all because the purpose of Jesus’ death was to save some(or a remnant), not all. This doesn’t diminish the power of Jesus’ death as the atonement could have been infinite, that was not God’s purpose. Throughout the OT God ALWAYS saves only a remnant. Think of Noah, if you read his story in Genesis you will see that God opened Noah’s heart and that before that ALL men of Noah’s day HATED God. God caused the flood causing all men, but Noah’s family to die. You cannot explain this from an Arminian perspective unless you argue that Noah chose God, and no one else did, and God can’t change their hearts because that violates their free will. To Arminians God values free will over saving everyone, I find that concept ridiculous.

[@maluill]

@@first3numbers God throughout scripture makes it known he doesn't desire any to perish but that all should know him. who desires ALL men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1-Timothy 2:4 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to ALL men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to ALL men. Romans 5:18 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to ALL men, Source: Titus 2:11 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance. 2-Peter 3:9

[@first3numbers]

@@maluill ALL in Titus 2 and Romans 5 does not literally mean every single man on earth, as you don’t believe yourself (I’m assuming) that all receive salvation. “All” in those verse simply means men from every single place (tribe, tongue, nation) not every man in existence. All men = men in all places not all men everywhere. This is basically true for all the verses you cite that say “all” God’s desire for all men to be saved does not mean that he will save all men, as he is a god of love and justice. "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" is how Peter’s book starts…he is clearly only addressing the elect/saved when writing this. “All” here means all of the elect/saved/christians, not all men everywhere, as again, if that were the case we would be universalists.

[@maluill]

@@first3numbers I think that's your interpretation of "All" which you are free to have, but that's not what it says, it just says "All" and many of the ancient churches like the catholic, orthodox and coptic churches agree. And also it doesn't say all men would be "saved" which is universalism( you're mosquoting scripture to attack Arminianism. It says God "desires" key word there "desire" meaning its his will that all men freely choose him but we also can freely reject him. I don't see any universalism in those verses. But you are free to believe what you want to believe

[@GhostBearCommander]

Hyper-Calvinism is basically "Honest Calvinism." If God does indeed Sovereignly decree whatsoever thing that comes to pass, and the Elect are saved no matter what, and the Reprobate are lost no matter what... then... well... In conclusion, Evangelism wouldn't even make any difference. It literally couldn't. And no human would ever truly be responsible for their own actions, good or bad, since God would essentially be the only one responsible for anything.

[@charliehoman9731]

God says to preach the gospel God has decreed it as the primary way people are to be saved But God isnt dependent on us preaching it

[@Zaloomination]

God has ordained the means that he uses to being about his ends. Your problem is you are dwelling on God's secret will, which belongs to him alone. Proper calvinists focus on the revealed will, i.e. his commandments, to go and preach the gospel to all, with the knowledge that God has called his lost sheep out of every tribe and place on earth. It is the power of the holy spirit and his gospel that we trust to do the miraculous work of regeneration, so we feel empowered to go and preach to anyone, no matter how lost they seem!

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Now you're just straight-up Lying! We know what Hyper-Calvinism in, and the difference between Reformed Orthodoxy and Hyper Calvinism. It's why there aren't many Hyper Calvinists today.

[@LordMicahBroch]

This is a just plain lying. There is no distinction between the elect and those who believe. So if you are elect, then you will believe. If you do not believe, then you are not elect.

[@tyhall11]

I like the part where he explains why he's no longer Calvinist

[@tomanderson6233]

Every video against calvinism is based off of fictitious calvinists I wouldn't even like myself!

[@KevinSmile]

Calvinism has its own brand of "That wasn't real communism" apparently

[@yohanneslong1970]

Or, brand of "fake ex Muslim"😂

[@imright489]

saying that stopping evangelism is “calvinistic” isn’t true because calvinist’s, like myself, believe in preservance of the saints- meaning that true christians will “preserve” and have the inner drive to evangelize to all.

[@Tweeza57]

Calvinists believe the words of John Calvin then interpret the words of God to fit a John Calvin perspective.

[@rudolfhitler5165]

I think it is the opposite, calvin dig in the bible, and it is hard for you to accept the truth of the bible!

[@jakecathey7061]

i think it’s pointless to argue about limited atonement because if God called us to bring others to him they would already be predestined to be elect

[@jakecathey7061]

@@Rogerprovy yeah it kinda is just like all those who my father gives I agree i’m not sure why people are so quick to reject it but from what i’ve read it’s universalism or limited atonement

[@yngwiemalmsteenparaguaio9887]

@@rudolfhitler5165 If he dig in the bible, why calvin burned alive hundreds of people because that they didnt want to accept his theology? Find a text on the new testment where you will see it as a practice.

[@tobuscusfoop]

@@rudolfhitler5165 that’s what the jehovahs witnesses say when they defend CT Russell lmao

[@JonathanGrandt]

No such thing as a 4 point Calvinist.

[@AnonymousTaco3472]

Not without being a walking contradiction

[@yellowcoat970]

I think that really only comes from not understanding the difference between the sufficiency of the Gospel, and the efficiency of the Gospel

[@mikegreene9137]

Actually I had a ministry partner very fluent in Greek and Hermaneutics had his doctorate in those fields. He considered himself a biblicist and he was a true 4 pointer. He affirmed TUIP.... just did not feel that there was sufficient (not none but just not sufficient enough) evidence for limited atonement. He felt like he couldn't adequately come to the L without involving philosophy and he didn't feel comfortable doing that. Also wasn't comfortable with what he called some of the seemingly universal passages of atonement or God's love. He was a great ministry partner and I did learn much from him even though I felt like I can adequately support limited atonement. I loved that he agreed with me that it was not a biblical approach to evangelism to just go around telling people that God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. He said even if it might be true he sees no examples of that sort of evangelism from Jesus or any of the apostles in Acts.

[@johnmyers3450]

This is not "why" he is no longer a Calvinist. This is him telling us that he started to question a part of Calvinism (limited atonement), then says that he rejects 4p Calvinism, 5p Calvinism, and hyper-Calvinism now. No actual substantive reasons are given TO reject it, other than simply saying that he thinks Calvinism is false. A huge waste of my time.

[@JonathanGrandt]

You wasted more time typing your comment than the time you wasted listening to the man speak. It’s a pretty short clip, Bro.

[@drakevane2663]

Loved when he talked about why he left Calvinism

[@deezynar]

You mean you are impressed by the complete lack of scripture quoted to support his current position. Me too.

[@justinthrift9603]

Yeah, about that...

[@rawbingham]

What did you like about it???

[@gigalad4191]

@@rawbingham A sarcastic comment.

[@AlexisSustento]

@@deezynar 1 Corinthians 3:1-8 3 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly-mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? 5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe-as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

[@sircassie891]

Fun fact brother, of every missionary I have ever met, and every missionary I have ever heard of, they have all held to the doctrines of Grace

[@BeNotMovedAway]

Not Satan's best Lieutenant: Paul Washer/Brainwasher

[@BeNotMovedAway]

Not Satan's top General: John MacArtur/MacSatan

[@rshreve735]

May I ask, please, I am very curious, why you associate Paul Washer with Satan? I won’t die on this hill, but I have not seen anything of him to draw me even close to the conclusion you seem to be drawing.

[@ThetennisDr]

@@rshreve735 I have and big time... Paul washer and McArthur.... All a deception that is coming to the world ...hence americas was invented not discovered to created this confusion on the word. For the rapture to come Satan needs all to leave the earth

[@ReubenDomingo1]

That’s a lot of slander right there. That’s more “satanic” if you ask me.

[@gunnyd8135]

Why don't we walk towards what the Bible clearly teaches, rather than reacting to how people view evangelism as a consequence of doctrine? The church dealt with this at the Synod of Dort.

[@KARMICHAEL11]

Walking “away” from something requires that you walk towards something else. However, based on this dude’s description of what he understood to be Calvinism, he actually never was, nor understood what he said he was. Lutheran Satire has a video perfectly describing this pseudo-theology ‘reconstruction’

[@SeanGrossICT]

“I’m no longer a Calvinist” - Someone who was never a Calvinist

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Exactly. Most don't do the study to actually find out what we're (Calvinists) actually saying the Bible teaches.

[@jwatson181]

Interesting view. That is a no true Scottsman fallacy.

[@jwatson181]

​@ryangallmeier6647 Let's be honest, Calvanism is frankly unbiblical. It is fine philosophical view but why deny the Bible? Why is that not your guide?

[@thisgeneration2894]

I am still one I dropped only limited Atonement, ans unconditional election. I hold to the rest.

[@daddada2984]

Hahhaha the gate keeper of calvinism says you never was a calvinist.. They have the list of members & can know you inside-out. Hahhahha

[@harrystred7350]

I’ve been a Calvinist for years and have never run into a hyper Calvinist in the wild. I say this because often times people that reject Calvinism throw the label out there without much qualification and it poisons the well for people leading them to think that there is a sizable subset of Calvinists who are hyper Calvinist which is not the case. It would be like me pointing out that classic Arminians reject the perseverance of the saints (belief that you can’t lose your salvation). Without any qualifications that could easily lead people to believe that many who reject Calvinism believe you can lose your salvation, even though that is not the case. Intentionally or unintentionally you can mislead people and cause misunderstandings. In theological discussion it is always important to be very clear.

[@BuffaloBill23]

This video does not include why he's no longer a calvinist other than "Feeling a little bit fuzzy." Oh, do I hope there's more to it than that. 😂

[@wessven]

I've been saying for a long time that Limited Atonement is the bedrock of the rest of Calvinism. Take that away, and really the rest collapse. I find four point Calvinism untenable.

[@orangepeel3465]

Exactly!!!

[@JonathanGrandt]

Technically it is Total Depravity which is the foundation.

[@andico050791]

Just read romans 9. 😆 Careful not to demean God's glory. We evangelize many people with whole dependence upon God's Sovereignty.

[@MyHome7_Carla]

Christ's death on the cross was essentially a gift to all. If one chooses not to accept that gift, then he is not a chosen elect!

[@aletheia8054]

I’m looking for the phrase “choose to believe“ or “choose to except“ in the Bible Can’t find it. Can you tell me where it is?

[@gigalad4191]

@@aletheia8054 all who believe. Put it in a Bible search engine, and see what comes up.

[@aletheia8054]

@@gigalad4191 There is no place in the Bible that says “choose to believe” or “choose to accept” it doesn’t exist.

[@harmonyngwamah711]

@@aletheia8054 we don’t find the word “trinity” anywhere in the Bible either. Does that mean that the word doesn’t represent a biblical doctrine? Let’s not get lost in semantics. The Bible talks about “whoever believes”. Believing is an intentional act, in other words, you are choosing to believe, choosing to accept.

[@aletheia8054]

@@harmonyngwamah711 The word Trinity didn’t exist. That’s why you don’t find it. The word free and the world will did. They’re both in the Bible.. and the word free is not an adjective ever used to describe the will in the Bible.

[@beautifulfeetpreachingsc]

Sorry sir you found that there are aspects of YAHWEH’S sovereignty that you do not like. It’s a humbling yet beautiful doctr that mercy was given to me when 1. I did not deserve it and 2. I could do nothing to earn it. 100%a miraculous work of YAHWEH.

[@djohnson3093]

That's pretty much everyone. Nobody denies that. That's not a calvinist doctrine.

[@IamGreatsword]

God will work just Fine in English no Yahweh or Yeshua or Jah or other non-English names that'd be great thanks sad unbelievers that think they are believers use those words, jus, sayin'

[@beautifulfeetpreachingsc]

@@IamGreatswordI didn’t realize GOD responded to my post since you seem to know my soul inside.

[@JesusSaviorJudge]

If Christ’s work is efficacious for all then why did those who don’t accept go to hell? Isn’t that double Jeopardy?

[@Zaloomination]

This. If Jesus paid the price for everyone's sins then why does anyone, regardless of if they repent, go to hell?? How can the debt be justly paid twice by the sinless son of God? This is a real problem Armenians need to deal with!

[@deonmixon]

​@Zaloomination Simple. Unbelievers didn't "receive" or "accept" the gift of God's payment. Ex: You committed a crime and have to pay for it. Jesus did your time and paid for it. All you have to do is accept the terms of His love for you. You're wondering how bond was posted, moving on but didn't give your savior credit. It's a receiving / accepting of who Jesus is and what He did. And this is when Holy Spirit enters you and compels you to do good works.

[@Zaloomination]

@@deonmixon if a stranger pays for your meal at a restaurant, your bill is paid for, is it not? doesn't matter if you "accept it" or not. And the owner would be absolutely unjust to accept payment from both sources.

[@deonmixon]

@Zaloomination that analogy doesn't work. Maybe mine wasn't good enough either. Takes a bit more to elaborate the actual plan

[@deonmixon]

@JesusSaviorJudge @Zaloomination "A common way for the Arminian/Wesleyan theologians to state their position is that the atonement is unlimited in its invitation but limited in its application. God offers the invitation to all; however, only those who respond in faith to the gospel message have the work of the atonement applied to their spiritual condition. (GotQuestions)

[@TheJpep2424]

Why you no longer understand the gospel and the sovereignty of God.

[@built4speed101]

In the view of Limited Atonement from the Calvinist position: The Calvinist limits it INTENT, not the POWER of Christ Jesus's Atonement. R.C. Sproul spoke on how people have difficulties in terms and words in dealing with Limited Atonement. So, the other term is called Particular Redemption, which still is in line with John 3:16-18.

[@JonathanGrandt]

It’s nonsense either way. Christ died for all. Only the Calvinist inserts “The Elect” according to his own folly.

[@gigalad4191]

@@JonathanGrandt All who believe. Find an online Bible, but this in the search engine, and see what comes up. Edit: *put

[@thomasc9036]

"I never knew Calvinism but I am not one". That's what this guys is saying.

[@cruzgomes5660]

"Never knew" yeah right

[@TheSouders101]

Well, that’s NOT what calvinists believe, that we are the frozen chosen and don’t have to evangelize. It’s quite the opposite- we know that the Spirit saves THROUGH the hearing of the Gospel, and therefore we have to share it with EVERYONE!

[@MasterKeyMagic]

how do you know what is and what isn't scripture?

[@rethinkdaily9321]

It wasn’t until I went to a “Calvinist” church that I saw a significant investment in missions and church planting. Now working with church networks I can say confidently reformed, church’s on a whole, seem to make a higher effort in international missions and domestic church planting. In the “Arminian church’s” I see much more effort and resources going to internal church programming, with a church planting and missions usually being “outsourced” and donated to at a lower clip. That’s just my experience, but I do find this argument against Calvinism to be more theoretical that based on reality.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

One their favorite phrases is "from the foundation of the world". In my videos I take 140+ of their favorite verses and study the context of each verse. Their version of sovereignty can easily be exposed simply by context.

[@pattube]

Since he brings up 4 point Calvinism and hyper Calvinism, what about simply Calvinism? Here's a basic theological definition of Calvinism which would obviously need detailed expansion and exegetical as well as philosophical theological defense but should be a good start: "Calvinism is the view that salvation is by grace alone. Sinners make no independent contribution to their salvation."

[@alekhinesgun9997]

So in other words sinners shouldn't change because they wont be saved anyways? What kind of logic is that?

[@pattube]

@@alekhinesgun9997 That's not traditional Calvinism. We believe sinners need to turn away from their sins (repent) and trust in Jesus alone for salvation (faith in Christ alone). And that assumes a changed life. Not to mention the process of sanctification which is a lifelong pursuit to become more like Christ etc. As the Puritan theologian and Calvinist John Owen once said: be killing sin or it will be killing you.

[@alekhinesgun9997]

@@pattube How is that even calvanism then? Your version of calvanism doesn't involve anyone not being saved due to predeterminism. What you mentioned is just basic Christianity.

[@pattube]

@@alekhinesgun9997 Well, yes, as most Calvinists have argued Calvinism *is* "just basic Christianity". For example, see Charles Spurgeon's chapter on Calvinism and why he is a Calvinist in his own autobiography. As far as who is elect and who isn't elect, Calvinists have always said we don't know who is and who isn't elect. Only God knows. From our perspective, we ought to tell everyone to repent and put their faith in Christ. But even from a simple empirical perspective, unless you're a universalist or similar, it's evident not all people are saved (eg Hitler).

[@alekhinesgun9997]

@@pattube What you previously mentioned was basic Christianity. What you just mentioned is now calvanism. What you just said contradicts your previous comment of "repent and believe in Christ and you will be saved" because it now turns into "repent and believe in Christ and you *might* be saved" It's not evident that all people are saved, agreed, but it's not evident that some people aren't either. We are not God and we should make that determination, that's the point. As for the Hitler part, that is so absurd. You're really going to compare Hitler to the average Christian and say they're not much different? Firstly I'd say Hitler isn't a Christian because he did nothing to practice Christianity. Secondly did it really look like he repented and turned away from sin and practiced what the Jesus preached? Pretty sure he didn't. Can't believe I even had to explain that

[@Zaloomination]

Yeah no one hated preaching the gospel more than the calvinist Spurgeon, the Prince of Preachers 🙄

[@jeanjacket4238]

Right !!! Good point brother !

[@JonathanGrandt]

Anytime someone calls that man the prince of preachers I throw up a little bit in my mouth

[@jeanjacket4238]

@@JonathanGrandt lol he dedicated his life to the Gospel and yet you hate him. Seems to me like your not in the body of Christ my friend.

[@Zaloomination]

@@JonathanGrandt why?

[@gigalad4191]

@@Zaloomination I disagree with this man's intent, but he does present a decent point. Man should not be exalted, and yet here we are. But that doesn't mean I retch at his name (he's one of my favorite authors on Biblical matters).

[@John3.36]

This video: "Predestination: It's Nothing like you were told" helped me.

[@geraval557]

Without putting names and labels to everything ,It’s absolutely clear that God elects . we don’t and can’t elect God , God has to do something first before and without deserving. Now, “the how” God elects in His counsel is completely unknown , Bible says his good pleasure , but we don’t know how God draws the line of what separates some and others , and we will never know. It’s impossible and inmoral for God to choose randomly, there has to be a mystery whereby everything works out nicely for the attributes of God to be equal. I respect every Christian on this matter because I know is difficult, as long as we can agree on some basics that are openly and clearly said.

[@michaelsowerby8198]

Notice, he doesn't point to the scriptures as the source of his doubts about Calvinism.

[@vanessaodey1202]

Guys, its a clip for heaven's sake....

[@williamstdog9]

DUMB. Thank you Dr. James White for helping me grasp Calvinism completely ♥️💪👍☺️

[@ronf968]

Scripture is clear that we proclaim the Gospel to all people regardless of your understanding of election and predestination. We do what is required by God and God will save whom He wills.

[@rawbingham]

Yeah. I'm not buying it. He learned just enough about it to decide what camp he wanted to identify with. Here's the thing. God IS fair and sovereign. Everyone has to deal with the fact that sometimes kids are born, suffer horribly and die before they are 3. Where do they go? They didn't "accept Jesus as their personal savior." Calvin and Arminius are not in the bible. But, if you haven't embraced reformed theology... you better be Catholic.

[@harveygitarista1600]

The Bible says that God is sovereign. The Bible also says that man has free will. God's sovereignty and man's free will both work at the same time. These two are not in contradiction. People should stop limiting God's power by trying to cage it and label them as Calvinism or Arminianism. We should all go out there and preach the Gospel. We should stop wasting our time trying to find sides in unnecessary divisions.

[@Bombaycompany1776]

It doesn't say freewill. It says human will, which is bound by sin and will choose only what is in line with it's sinful desires. There is no neutral position. You are either a slave to sin or a slave to Christ.

[@deezynar]

He exemplifies what happens to people when they play games with what they want to be true rather than simply relying on what the bible says. The bible says God chose who he would save before he created the universe, and it says that unbelievers are incapable of faith. God has to change people by putting his Spirit in them. As for evangelism, once more, we must look to the bible, it tells us to tell people about Jesus.

[@justinthrift9603]

Amen.

[@timothyschreiber8338]

I'm not sure which Bible you are reading... The Bible tells us to tell people about Jesus. None of the other stuff you said is in the Bible. Those are your ideas you are reading into the text. I say this as an ex Calvinist.

[@deezynar]

@@timothyschreiber8338 Ephesians chapter one states very clearly that God chose who he was going to save before he created the universe. Read it carefully. If you are honest, you will see that it does not say that God looked into the future and saw which people were going to choose him so he could say that he chose them. How the Arminian sees that: God: "I chose you before I created the world, little man." Man: "You only chose me because you saw that I was going to be smart enough to choose you, so your choosing me is actually pretty lame." First Corinthians chapter two explains how people must have the Holy Spirit in them before they can understand, or appreciate who God is and what the scriptures say. Verse 14 sums it up very clearly, people without the Holy Spirit mock God and his plans. But you believe that people without the Holy Spirit have the ability to cast aside the life of sin that they love, and embrace the God who they hate. The bible does not support that view. Jesus said that nobody comes to him without the Father drawing them. Modern people do not use the word "draw" very often and don't understand what it means. Horses draw wagons. Horses don't whisper to wagons, encouraging them to roll along the road behind them. Horses drag wagons because wagons can't decide to go anywhere. Buckets are drawn up out of wells by someone forcefully pulling on a rope. Nobody ever got a bucket of water out of a well by standing beside the hole and explaining all the benefits the bucket would receive if it brought water up to them. Nobody is whispered into the kingdom of God. God shoves them in against their will. Nicodemus told Jesus that he knew that God was with Jesus because of the miracles he had performed. Jesus jumped right in and explained what it takes for a person to enter the kingdom of God. Jesus said we must be born again. Jesus used the metaphor of birth because nobody chose to be born the first time. Notice that Jesus never mentioned that a person makes a decision. He said that you have to be born of the Spirit. The translation of verse 8 hides what Jesus meant because the word Jesus used is 'pneuma'; it is used for both 'spirit', and 'wind'. In verse 8, Jesus described how the Holy Spirit goes where he wants, and saves who he wants. The Holy Spirit actually saves those people who God chose before creation. If you are saved, God saved you against your will by changing your will so you would trust in him. You don't even know that God changed your heart about him. You can't see how it happened, you only see that you now trust in Jesus, and you assume that you made that change all on your own. You didn't because you couldn't.

[@timothyschreiber8338]

@@deezynar I used to be a Calvinist, but those exact same verses you read with a Calvinistic lense are what brought me out, along with the multitudes of scriptures that speak of God's desire for all men to be saved, and the fact that Jesus died not just our sins, but for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). Ephesians 1 doesn't state what you say it does by the way. It says God chose us who are in Christ (note how it's people who are in Christ, aka. believers) to be Holy and without blame before Him in love, and He predestinated us for adoption as sons. It's about His work of sanctification in our lives primarily! Something else important to note is that the book of Ephesians was written to Gentiles (read the entirety of chapter 1 and chapter 2), and Paul was explaining to them how they were also chosen along with the Jewish people (God's chosen people). Romans 9, 10 and 11 explain how you are only elect if you pursue righteousness by faith, not by working, or willing. There's no reason to assume based on any of these passages that God ever chose certain people arbitrarily for heaven, and some for hell, for no reason knowable to man. God doesn't choose against His will. The Bible makes it clear what His will is.

[@deezynar]

@@timothyschreiber8338 You bend the clear meaning of the passages to fit your belief. The passages which speak of the entire world are referencing the fact that Gentiles are now included in salvation.

[@armandosolis3222]

I’ve not met one Calvinist that says they follow John Calvin! I have however met many who say they follow Christ!

[@77ronboy]

There is a major caviot regarding Limited Atonement that cannot be denied. If Jesus died for everyone, then everyone would be saved.

[@stephengreater1689]

The non evangelist Calvinist is pretty much a straw man. Nothing he said in this clip discredits Calvinism.

[@joenelson5819]

Calvinist are full of pride. That’s their doctrine, pride.

[@Mermayydman]

You believe calvanists think they are wicked wretched sinners in need of salvation? Or do you have a different view of God's sovereignty?

[@mro9466]

😂

[@jgons]

No. You just haven’t actually studied the position from anyone that holds to it, only been told what to think about it by those who disagree. Read Lorraine boettner’s reformed doctrine of predestination. You won’t be able to refute it.

[@spencerhayes6815]

Started to “feel a little bit fuzzy about it” my god

[@kezr6379]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

[@JMcN76]

A 4 point Calvinist is not a Calvinist.

[@jaikee9477]

Sadly, too many Americans follow the teaching of Calvinists such as MacArthur and Piper rather than the teachings of Christ. Overhere in Europe only a tiny portion of believers follow that doctrine.

[@yellowcoat970]

Or there’s Europeans like John Calvin, John Knox, and John Owen Plus all of the theologians at the Westminster And the 39 articles And the council of Dort Not to mention Martin Luther who also affirmed the doctrine of Predestination

[@commonclayofthenewwest6045]

I'm not into anyone's denominations much but Knowing God is sovereign doesn't shut down the drive to try and be Christ like, it's just a humble realization that we don't have free will up to the point of salvation. That's scripture and it's all about context when we study. Try and exude love towards another, that's our real challenge.

[@tobyk.woodard2602]

Answer: "Because I quit taking the Bible on its own terms and simplest reading."

[@lynnewilley9464]

I am a NO POINT Calvinist!

[@vaksehund2]

Hallelujah, good you woke up ❤

[@rogervincent2092]

I always have to giggle at people who claim to be former Calvinists and the weakest arguments why?

[@pmgrogersanderson9426]

I clicked because i thought its Vergil

[@J316-18]

So can a man believe in Christ wothout the Holy Spirit?

[@simonbrown1486]

Man who claims he is no longer a Calvinist suddenly realizes that he was never a Christian at all.

[@TheBereanVoice]

The difference between the Calvinists' view of Jesus' redemptive work and the synergists view is that Calvinists believe Jesus secured the eternal salvation of a multitude no one can number and synergists don't believe His death, in itself, secured anyone's salvation. It is the intention of Jesus' redemptive work, not its abundant sufficiency to save any and every sinner who will believe and repent.

[@fvrjohn14]

4 point calvinism does not work... whats amazing about the 5 points is if you knock one out it all falls apart. The bible is clear that Christ died for his bride. Yes it says the world to, but what good is that if only the bride goes to heaven. By world the bible means from every people group. From every tribe nation and tongue(rev 7:9). I would rather believe a limited atonement that is efficacious for all men for whom it was intended, than a universal atonement that is not efficacious for anybody, except the will of men be joined with it. Some men cannot endure to hear the doctrine of election. I suppose they like to choose their own wives, but they are not willing that Christ should choose His own bride, the church. Charles Spurgeon

[@a.k.7840]

I disagree with his characterization of what is a hyper calvinist... a hyper calvinist is simply a calvinist on a caffeine high.

[@runeshark22]

Anyone who claims Calvinism and uses it to shut down evangelism has no idea what Calvin actually did. He literally had a school where refugees fleeing Roman persecution would be taught how to evangelize so they could go back home to preach the word knowing it almost certainly meant their death.

[@thetruthseekers316]

If you are a Calvinist and you believe that you have no control over who gets saved, then you’re no different from Muslims who believe the same.

[@maxcg1902]

This guy is clueless as to what Calvinism teaches clearly…

[@timothyfreeman97]

A Calvinist noblewoman was possessed by a demon. She exhibited many classic signs of genuine possession, including replying to questions in whatever language they were asked. The Calvinist ministers were unable to cure her, and so hesitantly approached the local Jesuits. The Jesuit rector replied to them: “Don’t you consider our ceremonies superstitious and our exorcisms meaningless? Why then do you come to us? Is it faith or necessity that brings you? Send your own ministers and your schismatic priests, and see what power they have over the Devil. Then come to us. For it’s only fair that the trial should be considered as a proof of the reality of the two religions.” The Calvinists said their ministers did not have the power to cast out the demons. So the rector agreed they would see the woman. The account continues: “After this, a visit was made by the Catholic authorities to the woman to see if she was really possessed, which they soon confirmed. As soon as the rector sprinkled her with holy water and touched her with a relic of St. Ignatius without her knowing it, she began to writhe and twist her body, saying that a bone of St. Ignatius tormented her. As the rector was even more eager to heal the souls of the Calvinists than the body of the woman, he instructed them to bring the book of Calvin’s ‘Institutes’ or some other book containing their own dogmas and give it to the woman. This was accordingly done, and the Devil began to kiss and caress it with great marks of joy. The rector then took it and hid a picture of St. Ignatius between the pages; then he presented it to her again. The demon drew back, screaming with anger, and would not even touch it. Being compelled to acknowledge what it was he feared, the unclean spirit answered, ‘The picture of St. Ignatius that you have placed there!’ The Calvinists were greatly confounded at this, and one of them said in anger, ‘You Papists have a good understanding with the Devil, so you can do whatever you want with them.’ One of the Jesuit fathers then said, ‘Since this evidence doesn’t satisfy you, let’s try this. I’ll pray to God that if yours is the true faith, the Devil may pass into my body and torment me, but if the Catholic faith is true, he may enter into you for one hour only. Will this satisfy you?’ Not one of them would consent, and all were silent. Then they earnestly begged the rector to assist the poor woman if he could. The rector promised and then went away.” Every time one of the Jesuit brothers came to the woman, “she flew into a passion. However, if a Calvinist presented himself, she called him her dear friend.” The woman was eventually exorcised after the brothers offered fasting and penance for her, the exorcist offered Holy Mass, and administered the rite of exorcism. After the demon went out of her, “right then and there, she solemnly renounced her errors and professed the Catholic faith.” It is one of the great evidences of the Catholic Faith that whenever someone needs help confronting the demonic, they often (not always) have to call a Catholic priest to do it. Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, who continues to cast out demons for the conversion of souls through the instrumentality of Your priests! ✨️ Source: Paul Thigpen (protestant convert), “Saints Who Battled Satan: Seventeen Holy Warriors Who Can Teach You How to Fight the Good Fight and Vanquish Your Ancient Enemy” (TAN Books, 2015), 116-19, which was quoting the words from the following book: Antonio Francesco Mariani, “The Life of St. Ignatius Loyola, Founder of the Jesuits, Vol. 2” (Thomas Richardson and Sons, 1849). Pax Christi ✝️ 🇻🇦

[@LukeWalstead]

Tell me you've never read Calvin without telling me you've never read Calvin.

[@aristhrottle999]

I can tell you were never a Calvinist..

[@curryreeves1369]

He legitimately says I can’t believe in limited atonement but I can beleive in unlimited atonement, but it’s now limited to who believes. What a dummy

[@jd-jw8hm]

GOD is absolutely sovereign.. whether one believes it or not.. In reference to Spiritual birth.. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, but of God." Man doesn't choose to be born, physically or spirituality.. God chooses..both.. according to Devine election..

[@TheFinalJigsaw]

Amen

[@mr.alfredo4177]

It is by the grace of god that we are all saved. God doesn’t pick and choose who is saved.

[@joeyandchristal3415]

Universalists aside, everyone limits the atonement.

[@tonyfair487]

We prefer "Reformed" over "Calvinist". Calvin never set out to start a new brand of Christianity.

[@Dilley_G45]

Who is that?

[@ThetennisDr]

John macarthur pope Calvinist??? Nuts

[@matthewklassen5055]

He didn’t even explain why he rejected the doctrines of grace. This video is titled wrongly, and simply wants to discredit the system without ever addressing any of the arguments.

[@jezbread8111]

I feel like calvinists just exist to talk about being calvinist

[@joshuashepard583]

From the point of view of a guy who didn’t grow up spiritually in Churchianity, all of these names people give themselves and names of divisions of belief sounds so stupid to my ears. It’s like saying “I believe most of what Tom says about the secular world, but I don’t agree with everything he says about it. Therefore, I’m a believer of anti-seculartomitarianism.”

[@soluscristus1]

Been a Calvinist my whole life and never met a hyper-Calvinist. Not sure they exist in present day.

[@jsherzog]

What video do you talk about this?

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

Watch it again.

[@bread.br7]

I believe that Jesus died for everyone, but the effectiveness of salvation only reached the elect, would that be Calvinist or Arminian?

[@douglas61920]

Either God is sovereign or He isn’t. Either we have ZERO autonomous goodness inside of us or we have just enough to choose Jesus. The first two options are Biblical and the last two show how prideful and idolatrous people, even saved people, are to our very core. Jesus said that we must be born again. We were all present at our birth but we had no control over anything that was acted upon us. John said that we are DEAD in our sins. Dead men do not grab that life preserver that the Arminian believes God throws in our general direction. There is ZERO autonomous goodness inside any of us. Our righteousness is like filthy rags in the sight of a righteous God. Even though their last chapter has not been written, God chose Israel. Jesus told the disciples that He chose them, they did not choose Him. While still in the womb, God said that He would love Jacob and hate Esau, before either one of them did anything good or bad. Jesus said that nobody comes to God unless the Spirit first draws them to Him. For those who still believe that it is unfair that God chooses some and not others, Paul writes in the 9th chapter of Romans to answer your objections. Lastly, has God ever corrected you? He has corrected me and 100% of the time, He did not have my permission but He did it anyways because He is sovereign and I am not. How much more important is my salvation and I’m thankful every day that God is not up in heaven waiting with His fingers crossed and hoping that I’ll have enough goodness inside of me to choose Him. If so, I’d be going to hell when I died since the only thing that any of us have ever contributed to our salvation is our sin. People who disagree with predestination, do not truly believe that God is sovereign and/or believe that they aren’t truly bad enough to deserve hell. That is idolatry.

[@user-iyyyy]

If you have resolutely fixed your opinion, though it be upon too slight and insufficient grounds, yet you will stand determined to renounce the strongest reason brought for the contrary opinion, and grow obstinate against the force of the clearest argument. Isaac Watts (Calvinist) I would suggest reading John Owen, "The Death of Death, In The Death of Christ" to better understand why "limited atonement" is a Biblical doctrine. (Romans 8: 30) Romans 9: 22 - 23 What if God, desiring to show His wrath and make known His power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction; and what if He has done so in order to make known the riches of His glory for the objects of mercy which He has prepared beforehand for glory.

[@jackcrow1204]

I find it funny that limited atonement is the big sticking point for a lot of people That one is more clear to most calvinists and don't have a problem Most Calvinists themselves admit that the hardest point to defend is irresistible grace Just an interesting observation

[@yellowcoat970]

I think it’s because a lot of people don’t understand what limited atonement actually means While irrestable Grace is the one that basically just encompasses predestination I think most Arminians agree with limited atonement They just don’t realize it yet 😅

[@jackcrow1204]

@yellowcoat970 interesting Would you please flesh that out more

[@yellowcoat970]

@@jackcrow1204 Well I know when I was a 4 point Calvinist I believed that limited atonement was that the Cross was unable to save the whole world Rather than how it actually is, that it’s not efficient for the whole world The Cross is sufficient for all, but not efficient for all As whoever does believe and repent will not be saved A friend of mine also had the same misunderstanding

[@yellowcoat970]

I’d think most Arminians could, and do agree with limited atonement They just don’t understand what it means It’s not like they’re universalists after all

[@mr.alfredo4177]

⁠@@yellowcoat970no, most Arminians don’t believe in limited atonement. It goes against the entire idea of our free will that has been bestowed on us. It makes God the creator of sin and evil and actively says that God creates evil.

[@jacobdavison4461]

Calvinism sounds more and more like Islam than Christian.

[@TheBereanVoice]

This guy claims to have been a Calvinist but doesn't even seem able to define so-called "limited atonement" correctly. You people truly need to learn what Calvinists believe. You should all read the Canons of Dort.

[@jacobfavret1729]

So what is your solution?

[@esaiah3344]

You sound like an independent Baptist,,thats not a bad thing

[@kiloknight3494]

i'm still trying to get my answers to things i have of calvinist/ calvinism but from the few things i have seen its almost like they follow a man named Calvin more than Christ

[@stormblessed4478]

Calvinism is a Biblically sound doctrine based on the scriptures. In no way are we “following” Calvin as a Christ figure. The name is only attached to him because he taught it and advanced it.

[@Scribeintheink]

No you weren’t. You just one day realized “oh wait my church teaches calvinism! Crap! Guess I better leave and be what I am and have been this whole time!”

[@paulhale3031]

his argument breaks down when you read the bible. Now please man instead of the Lord

[@patrolman602]

No such thing as a former Calvinist. No one would leave the true sovereign God of the Bible and return to a man centered theology. He never understood the Bible.

[@timhough9191]

Why would the persons of the trinity be at odds with one another? If God the father elects, the Spirit regenerates a particular people for himself how can you argue Christ died for all? You either limit the atonement by its scope or its power. We believe in a cross that actually saves. If he paid for all the sins of everyone everywhere wouldn’t this include the sin of unbelief? If God punished our sin on Jesus, we cannot be judged for it ourselves as well that would be double jeopardy and therefore unjust.

[@bruisedbanana1787]

But where are the hyper Calvinists? All Calvinists I know of agree that we must evangelize.

[@TheFinalJigsaw]

5 point Calvinism is true

[@azelenovic3005]

So as far as i see it, calvanists believe God created everyone, knew we are all damned without Jesus, yet God CHOOSES who to save? Damning others to hell? That makes God a evil monster if you ask me.

[@krisnoeldy3240]

Lord Jesus warns! His apostle Paul is one of the authors of the New Testament, not John Calvin. John Calvin founded once saved from hell, always saved from hell even into sinning deliberately and into evil/ iniquity. Christian Faith: Please believe! Hebrews 10:26-31 Ephesians 5 Galatians 5 1 Corinthians 6 Matthew 7

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

Describing yourself as a non-Calvinist? I find it very revealing when people describe themselves in terms of what they don’t believe lol which is taking a page straight out of the playbook of atheists.

[@JonathanGrandt]

Or maybe “Protestants”? Talk about being know for what you are against. Lol.