Why I converted from Atheism to Christianity (via Richard Dawkins)

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Hope you all enjoy this. If you want more from the show subscribe to our newsletter www.premier.org.uk/resource/unbelievable/ For those wanting more detail about the arguments and evidence that Peter found persuasive, we recommend checking out the recently made documentary "The Case for Christian Theism": kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHTEaoqHd9d0iMU Also, William Lane Craig's own website: www.reasonablefaith.org "Disillusioned with Dawkins" interview Peter gave to Solas in 2019: www.solas-cpc.org/disillusioned-with-dawkins-my-journey-from-atheism-to-christianity-peter-byrom/

[@tatjanataylor5666]

Thank you for testimony blessings in abundance 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@deeschoe1245]

Just typical garbage by death cult conmen. Sad really!

[@kleenex3000]

I commend you for leaving the commentary section open. As a born-again ATheist, my own counter-apologetics against the assertion of Gods, it founds on the assertion of NOMINALISM. Kind regards from GERMANY

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

@@kleenex3000 Your belief is called "Knowledge neglect leading to illusory truth" by clinical psychologists. It's not uncommon to see this on the journey to nihilism. Read more.

[@kleenex3000]

@@gavinhurlimann2910 knowledge, logic... iow the imaginary, it cannot be used, appreciated, denied, neglected... why is that? - What do you and I FACTUALLY use, appreciate or reject, accept or deny?

[@stuartforrest7610]

It’s amazing as I thought Richard Dawkins only led me to Jesus, I had no interest in God and watching Dawkins try and debate Prof John Lennox I realised how angry Dawkins was and how he had no point except that “ there is no God” while prof Lennox was coming out with a lot of arguments for God, after that I slowly started my journey to Christ… Thankyou so much Richard Dawkins for leading me out the darkness to Jesus.🙏🙏

[@Hoi4o]

John Lennox is amazing, an incredibly erudite and eloquent gentleman.

[@trumpbellend6717]

I think you will find that Dawkins is angry at he damage belief in imaginary beings has done and continues to cause the world. Crusades, holy wars, inquisitions, forced conversions of indigenous peoples, crashing planes into towers, denigration of people for their sexuality ect ect all done specifically for religious reasons. By people striving to attain their subjective Gods "moral perfection" and citing the moral imperfection of the victims as justification 🤮🤮🤮 You think Lennox has presented EVIDENCE of a sufficient quality to justify belief in a talking snake, tribes of giants, witches, magic, virgin births, zombies, Angel's ect all overseen by an invisible being that thinks it moral to *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"* Please present the best evidence that YOU think sufficient to justify the extrodinary biblical claims ( hint, science can't explain X or I don't understand Y does NOT constitute EVIDENCE )

[@stuartforrest7610]

@@trumpbellend6717 was it God who committed all these atrocities or was it man?

[@Aphex217Twin]

Was it God who created Mankind with an evil nature, or was it Mankind who created itself with an evil nature?

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@Aphex217Twin it was GOD that created *EVIL* in the first place. 👇👇👇👇 Isaiah 45:7 7 *"I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and create EVIL I the Lord do all these THINGS"*

[@jamalkhan3708]

Christianity is the only true religion, ex Muslim here from Pakistan and I am converted from Islam to Christianity. I saw so many hatred comments against Christianity but time is coming when every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

[@cmhardin37]

@Supernintendo Chalmers they can't

[@davidgraham2673]

Jamal Khan, Congratulations Brother! You now understand why the news is so good.

[@bobskane4353]

How do you explain that Islam is growing faster than Christianity?

[@michaelchosen8755]

Amen brother.

[@davebonar1]

@@bobskane4353 Why ? Everyone has a free will and to do what they want. It doesn't bother me , if you think that their religion is something you can believe in then go for it. Are you an adult or a why child ?

[@jonathanskeet5076]

I lived in Germany through the entire 90s and so was only vaguely aware of Dawkins, some Christian friends of mine in the UK would tell me some things about him and it all seemed a bit scary. Then I returned to the UK in the mid noughties and heard an interview with Dawkins on the radio. I remember thinking "Is this really THE Richard Dawkins that everyone has been so upset about"? The arguments he was putting forward in the interview were almost childish really, definitely an "Emperor has no clothes on" moment. I think he only got away with it for so long because so many people were desperate to believe him.

[@Vikingshop]

Well spoken @jonathanskeet!

[@cherkovision]

Yeah, the thinking at that time had a lot to do with 9/11. The thinking went: "these terrorists wouldn't be so dangerous without their religion. Let's put our religion down so that maybe they'll put their religion down."

[@rizdekd3912]

I guess I'm lucky to have never really paid much attention to Dawkins or any other of the supposedly well known atheists. My atheism seems well in tact. I've never read an atheist book at all. I've only ever read books that are pro theism such as by Swineburn, Marshall and Rauser...oh, and the Bible.

[@esq8]

@Jonathan Skeet It's his British accent that gives one the faux impression of intellect and sharpened by a snide condescension in his voice. When I heard his monkey and the typewriter analogy, I realized we were simply dealing with an angry man.

[@jonathanskeet5076]

@@esq8 Yes… I always think he sounds like a wasp stuck inside an empty beer can.

[@ChristianMotivationMedia]

“Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.”Daniel 12:3

[@Paine137]

I didn’t realize brainwashing is virtuous. How enlightening.

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

@@Paine137 How are you defining brainwashing?

[@Paine137]

@@EssenceofPureFlavor Corrupting the minds of children before they can think critically for themselves as adults, or being an adult who is incapable of making meaning for oneself and so relies on plagiarized religious fictions to dictate how to live: multiplied by billions of people over numerous generations.

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

@@Paine137 Ahh. In that case, it isn't brainwashing, anymore than teaching anything else.

[@IIrandhandleII]

Except stars don't shine forever..... Bible science

[@Dogstar78]

Years ago my church was packed on the night they showed a video of William Lane Craig debating Dawkins. Craig put Dawkins under the table. (,but not in a mean way). It would be good for Christians to pray for Dawkins because it would be wonderful for him to come to a saving knowledge of the Truth about God who created him and doesn't mind when people question His existance because whatever the reason, when you seek Him, you find Him.

[@jonathanskeet5076]

I didn’t think there had been a WLC debate with Dawkins. Is there a link you could put up, I’d be very interested to see it.

[@david77james]

The bible says that all know that God exists, but not all of them want to fellowship with Him for eternity. This whole system was made for those who WANT SO MUCH to live with Jesus Christ, in His magnificent kingdom for eternity. Still, we feel for the Dawkins' of the world, who hate God and reject fellowship with Him. Paul talks about this in Romans and other places, regarding election of the saints. It sounds cruel in ways, but it's really justice of God that condemns unrighteousness, and rewards those who have been IMPUTED with the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ, AND we have eternal life added to that! .

[@jonathanskeet5076]

@@david77james Would you say that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and for all people? Would you say that God wants everyone to come to a knowledge of the truth?

[@davidjames3359]

@@jonathanskeet5076 - Q#1) Absolutely yes. Of course, that is hardly the only thing that Jesus said, concerning God's word on His plan for salvation & eternal life for human- kind. God's plan of salvation involves God's reaching out to us with His OFFER of eternal life & forgiveness of sins. God's offer, like any offer, requires a response from whosoever seeks the benefits of His provision, as what you state in Q#1. More on the subject of God's provision for humankind, which includes the inseparable need for positive human response to His offer, as found in John 3:15-19. Q#2) Absolutely yes, as stated in Scripture. Of course, there are basic truths, which involve learning the exclusive manner of how ALL sinners can be saved, by receiving forgiveness for their sins & eternal life, through faith alone in Jesus Christ's provision of same, which is the everlasting, permanent Grace Gift of God. Only then, as a baby believer, can one begin to seek the "deep things (advanced knowledge of truth) of God", which involves a lifetime of study, which results in good works, but which works relate to eternal reward, & NOT salvation @ the believer's judgement -1Cor. 3:11-15). .

[@jonathanskeet5076]

@@davidjames3359 That's good... so you're evidently not a Calvinist or Reformed Christian then, it just sounded a little bit like that from your original response.

[@alger9003]

Richard Dawkins and the new atheists have in fact led me to strengthen my faith in Christ, as I started looking for arguments against the nonsense spread by these atheists and finding excellent reasonable evidence for believing and trusting Jesus Christ.

[@konyvnyelv.]

Gehenna is just a valley near Jerusalem where dead corpses were laid to burn, not a metaphysical hell. Isaiah 7 never predicted virgin birth but speaks of an already pregnant girl, Abiah wife of king Ahaz. Original sin was invented by Paul to justify Christianity but Adam and Eve were put out of eden for prevention not punishment. Read the passage in Genesis and compare Christian doctrine to Jewish exegesis

[@gladishilton9919]

Please tell us what evidence you found against the "nonsense spread by these Atheists". The fundamental position of Atheism is that Theists have not met their burden of proof for their god - which is to say that you don't have verifiable evidence that exclusively leads to the one conclusion that God exists. On this issue Atheists are quite obviously correct. To think you have debunked the Atheist position implies you think you have verifiable evidence that exclusively leads to the one conclusion that god exists. Would love to hear it.

[@olgakarpushina492]

@@gladishilton9919 well, the claim that there is no God is an extraordinary one, requiring, by your own standards, extraordinary proof. 😁 So, bring it on. What extraordinary proof of God's nonexistence do you have? Even some ordinary one will do, actually.

[@mauromacave2662]

@@olgakarpushina492 You can't prove the non-existence of something, lady.

[@jimurban5367]

@@olgakarpushina492 Prove that unicorns and leprechauns don’t exist; if you don’t do that, then it must be reasonable to assume they exist…. By this epistemology, you could be convinced of any number of things without evidence.

[@WhatAHorribleNight]

Same, more or less. I thought I might be an atheist at one point. A friend recommended I read some Hitchens and Dawkins. I read "God is Not Great" and "The Selfish Gene" - and I realized that I thought both men were full of nonsense. It was then that I understood: I wanted to be atheist simply so I could justify doing whatever I wanted to myself, not because I actually thought there was no God. So in a way, Hitchens and Dawkins were responsible for reconnecting me with my faith. 😅

[@david77james]

Awesome! Also, you may have sold yourself short, since your basic morality level included your demand on yourself to FIRST be honest about deciding the matter, as you were, REGARDLESS of which decision would be easier to live with in the short term. Honesty with one's self is very difficult to retain, especially when the hormones are raging inside one's body. I for one am so happy that you were honest in your approach to your decision. .

[@cassandra5516]

Reading 'The God Delusion' is what led me out of atheism and catapulted me into faith. When I finished the book I thought to myself if this is atheism, if this is a representation of how I should be thinking then I want absolutely nothing to do with it. Little did I know how painful and exhausting that journey could be but man it was worth it to get away from that hell.

[@owlnyc666]

I had a similar experience when I read the Bible. After I read it I came to the conclusion I did not want to have anything to do with it.

[@cassandra5516]

@@owlnyc666 at least you read it. Most atheists don't bother to read it before dishing out criticism.

[@owlnyc666]

@@cassandra5516 I could also make the claim that most Christians have not read the entire Bible before accepting it. I would also add that I read the Quran and I am not a Muslim. I read the Communist Manifesto and I was not convinced to be a Communist. I have heard Christians criticize both Communism and Islam and I am skeptical that they read the texts.

[@cassandra5516]

@@owlnyc666 ok.. congratulations on all your reading lol

[@owlnyc666]

@@cassandra5516 I have been told that most Christians have not read the entire Bible. And even fewer have read the Quran.

[@historian9484]

If being an atheist looks so angry like Dawkins,Christopher Hitchens,Bennett and depressed like Sam Harris,I don’t want it

[@DartNoobo]

Dawkins seems like annoyed person at worst. I actually came to respect the man after I looked into his other works and beliefs. He is still dead wrong about God, ofc.

[@diannhall7564]

I remember "stopping and starting again" too. Thank you both this discussion.

[@devilsadvocate701]

Why were you an Atheist, in the first place?

[@BibleResearchTools]

I was never foolish enough to be an atheist; but I was agnostic until my mid-20's when God found me and I became a Christian. Dan

[@lynkahaar9549]

A great interview with Peter. Thank you for sharing your journey.

[@Lordpraisethe]

This was super interesting

[@Indorm]

I'm sure Unbelievable and WilliamLane Craig have touched more lives than you will ever know.

[@holdontoyourwig]

Irrelevant.

[@cpt.kimintuitiondemon]

Both in bringing people to godbelief, and pushing (doubting) people away from theïsm ?

[@cherkovision]

I remember that Dawkins response! Ugh, he's "too busy" debating popes to debate someone who might actually beat him.

[@mizmera]

True. The point is, popes would be easy pickings, as they are not used to debates etc. Getting a debate with apolegetic christian debaters may end up with you getting knocked out of the whole game. So it is not as much "i am busy"... it is more I am afraid that I would lose face.

[@hhmaster789]

I guess the “I’m busy” caused a lot of disappointment among atheists, I was searching for his debate with William also, thank God he doesn’t dare

[@vladtheemailer3223]

Debates don't prove anything. There are nothing more than entertainment.

[@mizmera]

@@vladtheemailer3223 then why debate popes... Debates if you look at them clearly, can show you quite quickly which side has got unanswered questions, and who id evading questions.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

@Nico Vd Westhuizen debates are not between sides, they are between individuals. Both sides have unanswered questions. Debate is not the correct method to answer empirical questions

[@bryanoldenburg9870]

Funny how Dawkins said WLC's only claim to fame was being a professional debater, when Bill is, in fact, a world-renown philosopher and theologian (with an extensive knowledge of physics as well). He could nicely take over with Richard, where John Lennox left off.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

World renowned? Nope

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

Have you seen WLC debating Sean Carroll about cosmology? WLC has picked up some talking points from physics which fit into his worldview but he has no real understanding of the matter. And a nonchristian university would sack him as a teacher of philosophy for incompetence.

[@pavld335]

Honestly this could be one of the strangest things I've ever seen. Why is this guys conversion so focused on Richard Dawkins?

[@ramigilneas9274]

I am no psychologist… but it seems that he got angry because Atheism (or in this case the supposedly most famous Atheist of that time) couldn’t give him the satisfying answers to the questions that plagued him during his phase of doubt. It’s probably better when he stays a Christian… the existential Angst is too much for many people who didn’t learn how to deal with it.😅

[@joshua_wherley]

That's what the video is about, his induction, as it were, into an atheist worldview before deciding that it doesn't answer the deep-seated questions that many of us have.

[@pavld335]

@@joshua_wherley atheism only answers one question: do you believe in god? - that's it.

[@joshua_wherley]

@@pavld335 precisely. It offers nothing else, just the worldview of "I believe in no god(s)." Hard to win people over when other big questions like the justification of objective morality, meaning of life, question of evil/suffering, etc. are a matter of personal opinion and ultimately unanswered in any definitive way.

[@pavld335]

@@joshua_wherley just because your "worldview" has answers, doesn't mean the answers are right.

[@chriper77]

Watching this on Christmas day here in Australia. What a nice Christmas present to to have such an insightful and thoughtful conversation about his journey back to Jesus. I love what William Lane Craig's wife said to him - don't become a Christian if you don't plan to give your entire life to Him. Following Jesus really is a radical change! It can be really hard at times, it's not as if everything suddenly becomes great and you cease to have problems. You just have a new set of problems that you were unaware even existed in regard to 'fighting the flesh' and such. But becoming aware of who God is, understanding you are no longer alone in the world, the new sense of meaning, the beauty all around you, the love that often brings you to tears when you sense His presence and so much more. That's a worthwhile trade I would give my life for every time

[@tonyofmossley]

its like listening to an obsessed Michael Jackson fan...

[@frankvandermerwe1487]

I'm so happy I don't believe this dogmatic garbage anymore.

[@chriper77]

@@frankvandermerwe1487 Which dogma do you follow now?

[@frankvandermerwe1487]

@@chriper77 None.

[@chriper77]

@@frankvandermerwe1487 Sure you do. Every world-view has a set of dogma they believe in. So if you're an athiest, you'd follow the tenets of evolution, moral relativity... It comes in different flavours, so there'd be slight differences in dogmatic positions on things, just like Christian denominations

[@magicmark3309]

I feel like this title is really misleading…he was a young Christian, started questioning his faith when he was introduced to skeptics and the “new atheists”, which introduced him to Christian apologists and regained his faith. All within the span of his time at university. Even though you could stretch it to technically be the “truth”, I think manny from both sides of the isle would say that is completely normal for most people brought up religious. The big difference is that he went right back into Christianity and became heavily involved in apologetics.

[@piterpraker3399]

What's completely normal unfortunately, is for a "cultural christian" to ditch their beliefs at the nearest moment that it becomes convenient to do so - and that generally means through education. Frustratingly, but also very telling, is that they just need a passable theory of reasoning. Intense scrutiny is not the goal, merely distance from God. Christianity is not in our blood. As fallen creatures, God's message is alien to us; with this in mind, the title is fairly accurate.

[@buckjones4901]

Not really, almost the entire education system is run and controlled by atheistic far Left. Brainwashing kids into a socialist atheistic mindset. This is a designed plan and kids are most venerable.

[@doesnotexist305]

In a weird sort of way the Four Horsemen of New Atheism led me to Christ as well. I had only a brief fling with Christianity when I was about 13 or 14 because I got caught shoplifting and felt immensely guilty. So for a few months I read the Bible and then grow out of it. By it was about halfway through high school that I came across Hitchens and Dawkins and then Harris and Dennett. They’re the ones who got me into religion and I was a staunch atheist for so long because of them. Particularly Hitchens. Without them I wouldn’t have cared for this topic at all and I wouldn’t have found guys like Nabeel Qureshi, James White, Michael Brown, Jeff Durbin, John MacArthur and critically Jordan Peterson and Bishop Robert Barron. Also Trent Horn, Matt Fradd and others. Particularly the Catholics. They’re the ones who brought me home to Catholicism. But I must give credit to the Protestants I named too. They gave me a taste of the truth.

[@navarrodragon25]

how did you make it to catholicism in light of it's heresies according to the names like james white, John Mcarthur, Jeff Durbin etc ??

[@doesnotexist305]

@@navarrodragon25 simple. Because it is not Catholicism that is heretical, it is Protestantism. I appreciate White, MacArthur and Durbin for helping me come over to Christianity but I pray for them that they accept the fullness of truth that is the Catholic Church.

[@emmanuel8310]

@@doesnotexist305 😂🤣 What is heretic about protestantism though, I really want to hear what you'll say. 😁

[@dulls8475]

@@emmanuel8310 I am looking forward to his answer as well....

[@emmanuel8310]

@@dulls8475 Right. Thank you. I'm glad there are more people looking forward to his answer.

[@RobKlarmann]

Whether you believe any of this or not - one thing can be said for certain: I studied at university with Peter, and we both have had similar paths since then. Jesus transformed him and turned his life upside down (for the better, I believe). This is a sincere and truly unbelievable testimony, for which I'm grateful! Thank you for sharing your story. Your friendship still means the world to me and your heart for the gospel truth is inspirational.🙂

[@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475]

😂 😂 😂

[@allingtonmarakan6639]

Hahahahahaha, if the fairy stories in the bible changed him for the BETTER, goodness knows what kind of horrific mess the guy was before, lol.

[@david77james]

@@allingtonmarakan6639 - A mess like you & your simplistic thoughts? Now that's a mess, albeit a common mess, since you likely have "an intelligent mind", which is the most powerful instrument known to humankind, yet, it is invisible/ non-material, as are its thoughts, memories, plans, inventions, languages, intellect, etc. The mental mess in your mind, indeed, shows you to be shortsighted, undetermined to seek the true source of the miracle(s) of life, and so much more, despite the fact that no man can demonstrate first thing about how the human mind came to be.

[@allingtonmarakan6639]

@@david77james Hahahahaha, My mind/brain are not invisible. I can have an MRI scan and a CT scan to show my physical brain represented through that amazing technology. Scientists can now map our thoughts in various parts of our brains as they occur. Everything is being explained by science as time goes on. Less and less is being explained using 'the god of the gaps' bullshit. The god of the gaps used to explain pretty much everything in nature, from thunder storms to earthquakes, floods and eruptions, droughts and plagues. Now the god of the gaps has been reduced to explaining how our mind works and even that is being pushed aside. Of course we can explain how the human mind came to be, you ignorant buffoon. We have transitional fossils of our hominid ancestors that show a beautifully nested hierarchy of development from most ape-like to most human. The increase in brain capacity is there for all to see. Truly, there are non so blind as the willfully pig-ignorant who will not see.

[@david77james]

@@allingtonmarakan6639 - You need to learn a few basics allimar, including the brain (not mind) is biological, but it is the slave to the invisible mind, which is proof of the non-material spiritual realm. How do you decide what to eat, where to go, remember events & phone numbers? Does your brain store numbers? Where are they stored? I want to see an autopsy that shows this information? Is conscience & consciousness a biological asset? Where are calculations stored? What do these look like under microscope? Can you see them? Show me. Don't bother responding til you get a few basics, FREE, from many PhDs who discuss this info on the internet, & spend their lives learning more about it, including use of information discovered with people's NDEs & OBEs experiences. .

[@zachio69]

"The God Delusion" is a book written by Richard Dawkins that talks about religion and belief in God. Dawkins believes that religion can sometimes stop people from thinking logically and critically. He thinks that some religious beliefs go against science and can make people close-minded and unwilling to consider other ideas. However, not everyone agrees with this point of view. Some people think that religion can be a positive thing and can help people have a sense of purpose and community. The effects of religion on thinking are a subject of debate, and different people have different opinions.

[@Fubizz12345]

Richard Dawkins in interview with “Cosmic Skeptic” admitted that “He has never studied nor read the Bible nor plans to because it’s false and a waste of time.” How can something be false and therefore you refuse to learn anything about it to determine if it is false, that’s circular reasoning. That doesn’t sound like someone qualified to write a book about God not being logical. If you write a book without even studying the subject you are claiming to be false. That sounds very illogical. Christopher Hitchens is famous for saying “you nor I are physicists so you nor I are not qualified to talk on this subject nor give opinion.” By this logic Hitchens is not qualified to debate Christians because he doesn’t hold a degree in Christian theology, of course that’s absurd. He has every right to debate, because you can defer to authorities who have studied. But he can’t have it both ways, he can’t avoid science saying he doesn’t hold a degree so refuses to talk on it. But equally doesn’t hold a degree on what he is talking about. (Out of all of the new atheists or four horseman they hold 0 degrees in Christian theology or any Christian degree of any kind. So by their own logic they shouldn’t be writing these books.)

[@zachio69]

@@Fubizz12345 It is true that Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, along with other "New Atheists," do not hold degrees in Christian theology. However, this does not mean they are not qualified to write about the topic. The four horsemen, as they are sometimes called, are known for their critical views on religion and their arguments are based on philosophy, science, and critical thinking. It is also true that circular reasoning is not a sound argumentative technique. However, it is important to note that one person's refusal to study or read a certain text does not necessarily mean they are using circular reasoning. In the case of Dawkins, he has written many books and articles on religion, and his arguments are based on scientific evidence and reasoning. Ultimately, whether or not someone is qualified to write about a certain topic is a matter of interpretation. However, it is always important to consider the sources and evidence used in any argument and to be critical of any circular reasoning.

[@Merciless_au]

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[@zachio69]

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[@Merciless_au]

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[@neddiepotter2869]

I now understand why I felt such distaste for Dawkins from the first time I heard him speak. I am just now coming back to Yeshua..and so my thoughts on Dawkins are disrelated to my being a Christian. I just recall thinking "oh this man is empty and leading people into the void..like a kind of anti-Christ...he has zero evidence to the contrary nor will he. He has a different agenda, and is best left to the judgement of Yeshua....leading people into the void of darkness? That's quite evident in his busy work turning as many away from Christ as possible? I pray for all of those who listen to him as an "expert" ...

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

I think Richard Dawkins "saved" more people than a believe in an imaginary sky God ever has! They got their rational mind back!

[@aclark903]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Atheists are irrational. They believe there is no God.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

@@aclark903 Thats not what they believe at all Mr. Clark Sir. They just believe there is not sufficient evidence for a "God". Big difference. They are not ruling out that there could be a "God". Just that a "Gods" existence has never been proved. You need to get your nose out of that old book and learn about what others believe my man! Take care

[@aclark903]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Nope, that's agnosticism. Get a clue.

[@matswessling6600]

@@aclark903 no atheism just neans: not a theist.

[@deVeresd.Kfz.1515]

Now, atheists will call him an apostate of atheism

[@BibleResearchTools]

There is no doubt that atheism is a religion, complete with churches, a creation story (the big bang and evolution,) a holy spirit (natural selection,) and prophets (Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, etc.). Dan

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

@@BibleResearchTools Hell is missing. That's one hell of a difference (pardon the pun). It is evidence-based, so if you insist on calling that a religion, it still is an evidence-based religion. I'm fine with that. But it makes the conversion of Peter Byrom even less plausible.

[@BibleResearchTools]

Stefan Heinzmann wrote, "Hell is missing. That's one hell of a difference (pardon the pun)." I suppose there is enough hell in being an atheist, and having no hope. Stefan wrote, "It is evidence-based, so if you insist on calling that a religion, it still is an evidence-based religion. I'm fine with that." There is no verifiable evidence for atheism, or for evolution. Rather, all scientific evidence points to a supernatural creator. Stefan wrote, "But it makes the conversion of Peter Byrom even less plausible." LOL! It proves he is not easily brainwashed and knows how to think. Apparently his teachers failed to teach him what to think, like they do with most of their captive audiences. Dan

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

@@BibleResearchTools You don't believe that this piffle is going to convince anybody, do you? I know quite a lot of atheists, and if they all had no hope, I would have noticed. I guess you refer to one specific hope: That of an afterlife. We can all do just fine without that, particularly since there's no hell, either. On the contrary, we think that having to hope for an afterlife is a quite miserable state of affairs. Regarding evidence, I think you are just deliberately ignorant. I guess I can't do anything about that.

[@BibleResearchTools]

Stefan Heinzmann wrote, "You don't believe that this piffle is going to convince anybody, do you?" I am not expecting to convince everyone. Stefan wrote, "I know quite a lot of atheists, and if they all had no hope, I would have noticed." What is their hope? Becoming fertilizer? I guess in a bizarre sort of way one could categorize that as "hope." Stefan wrote, "I guess you refer to one specific hope: That of an afterlife. We can all do just fine without that, particularly since there's no hell, either." You hope there is no hell. Even Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg are fair-weather atheists when it comes to the matter of eternal judgment. Stefan wrote, "On the contrary, we think that having to hope for an afterlife is a quite miserable state of affairs." Atheists do seem to be rather miserable, vengeful, power-hungry people, whose sole purpose in life is to proselytize the world and teach as many people as possible to become as miserable as they are. Not surprisingly, 2000 years ago the Bible predicted that would happen. Stefan wrote, "Regarding evidence, I think you are just deliberately ignorant. I guess I can't do anything about that." You have been brainwashed, and I guess I cannot do anything about that. Dan

[@chouleanghak5085]

Good for you. Welcome to the family of great joy.

[@devilsadvocate701]

Yes, because your belief system is so joyful right? Let's hear your cherry picked reasons...

[@conandeckard3264]

@@devilsadvocate701 honestly no need to be jelly about the joy, it’s free for you too

[@devilsadvocate701]

@@conandeckard3264 I'm joyful... without god. So there.

[@conandeckard3264]

@@devilsadvocate701 well….certainly doesn’t ooze out of your comments 👌😅 enjoy that joy 😎

[@chouleanghak5085]

@@devilsadvocate701 There is no way I can bend your freewill. But remember this fact; all of us will die someday. And on that very day, as soon as the heart stops beating, the spirit of the dead will immediately leave the body and it will encounter a new reality - a very unfamiliar world. Whatever one's belief may be, it will certainly NOT change the truth whatever that truth may be. The strange encounter will come, and it is inescapable as our demise is also inescapable.

[@G_Ozare]

The core message of Jesus Christ & the 1st Century Apostles (Paul, Timothy, John, Peter,etc) : Love God with all your heart, Love your neighbor as yourself, Pray for your enemies, Love conquers all. “What can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.-Romans 1:18-23

[@adoulidji3537]

For the people that say that people that were raised in a Christian household and then become atheists and went back to Christianity weren't really atheist. What about the people that were raised in atheists household, who became Christians and then went back to atheism, would you say that they weren't really Christian? And how do you know for a fact that’s what happened?

[@stephenglasse9756]

You're being too logical there😏 and expecting too much fair play from atheists

[@ceceroxy2227]

How hard is to be an atheist or theist, I believe in God, I dont believe in God, thats all it means. I could turn into an atheist right now if I changed my mind on Gods existence.

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

@@stephenglasse9756 Well said.

[@THX-bz8bi]

Over the years i have read comments from athiest that range from strange to aggressive when people who start out as atheist then turn to religion. Its as if they want to deny that this could happen or that people change over time.

[@technicianbis5250]

@@ceceroxy2227 It's harder to be a Christian than atheist, it's more than just saying i believe or i don't believe.

[@Erik_Danley]

I’ve also had quite the journey in terms of faith. I find it so incredibly interesting that a common thing, it seems, for unbelievers, is they *want* to believe Christianity is false. And then when you read the Bible, this human sentiment is right there in the scripture. There are numerous passages, one being Romans 3:10-12

[@infamouscrusader2183]

I agree. When I decided to reject atheism (when I was an Agnostic) I came from it realizing that people believe what they WANT to believe, not necessarily what is true. It seems that unbelievers would rather that any religion is correct but Christianity which lead me to more questioning. As of now, been born again ever since. Amen.

[@Nimish204]

That passage doesn't prove anything

[@justin10292000]

@@Nimish204 That is your opinion.

[@rizdekd3912]

@@infamouscrusader2183 Do you want to believe you are born again? It would seem your view that 'people believe what they want to believe' undercuts all beliefs...not just those other people who don't believe what you believe.

[@Maji777111]

The price of being wrong for a atheist is risk of eternal suffering as a captive of devil because of sin, but price of a Christian being wrong is nothing but few years of life devoted to righteous cause. Which has the greater risk and in wisdom is better to put faith in and believe, for the Lord exists and now gives ye this message. Pride is the fall of many, for they say they know but do they, many seek to believe to feel comfortable in sin, than face the discomfort of knowing the truth.

[@GuitarDog_atx]

"The price of xtians being wrong is eternal suffering" -Muslims Thanks for pointing out why this theoloogy is disgusting and why I left it. You are fine with eternal torture for the only "sin" of not pleasing a petty, insecure and yet still inmipotent deity. This is sick. An infinite punishment for a finite 'crime'

[@LAdavidthompson]

@@GuitarDog_atx words like “disgusting” and “sick” don’t get used enough to describe just how putrid and evil Christianity is and how totally deranged Christians are for believing such epic garbage. The fact that apologists are given any respect is mind blowing.

[@justin10292000]

@@LAdavidthompson Wow. Are you going to sputter such hateful, blasphemous garbage on Judgment Day? Answer: nope.

[@justin10292000]

@@GuitarDog_atx You are spiritually blind and don't even realize it. God is Infinitely Holy, and every time you utter your horrific and blasphemous garbage, you are heaping more judgment on your head.

[@LAdavidthompson]

@@justin10292000 You're happy to live in fear of a god you can't even prove exists. Absolutely pitiful.

[@highlightoftheday7058]

Two books. The God delusion and the Bible. Why would any one want to read a book that offers nothing? Then you have the other book. That has stood the test of time. Changed many lives for the better. If I had the inclination to look I could come up with many more. But a book that denies the Bible but offers nothing positive in it's place.

[@thelionsshare6668]

I read the God Delusion because I had heard that Dawkins was the top atheist, and I like looking for new arguments on the other side. He offered nothing new--it's just a rehash of old atheist tropes.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@thelionsshare6668 Hmm, read Hitchens, Phillip Pullman, but especially Marcus Brigstocke, instead. Marcus is much more humane about it all. Certainly more, than 1 Kings 14:12, 1 Kings 20:37, and 2 Samuel 24, ever were! Hitchens is savage, often, but darkly funny, and points out much of the hypocrisy. Pullman wrote about how potentially simpler messages of Jesus got buried under 'doctrine' (but even the starting point wasn't super, arguably - see verses above!) And Brigstocke gets into his feelings on both sides of the debate, with remarkable candor and humour. Including his wish for there to be, more.

[@onetruthoneway7369]

It always amazes me how these important discussions receive merely 10s of thousands of views, whereas watching Gordan Ramsey eat chicken wings receives 100s of millions.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

Well I watched this once but I watched Gordon a million times. :p

[@rhrrtt]

As far as I'm concerned, it's NOT an important discussion. My assumption is that the Christian God doesn't exist. If he does exist he can go f----- himself!

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@@rhrrtt What is it that draws you into the discussion if it's not important? I'm sorry for your pain. If you want to talk about how you feel hurt by God or Christians then you can.

[@onetruthoneway7369]

@@rhrrtt What about God makes you so hateful toward Him?

[@rhrrtt]

@@onetruthoneway7369 Child cancer, natural disasters, animals that eat each other alive, God's sheer nastiness in the Old Testament, God punishing others for what Adam & Eve did, Hell (i.e. infinite punishment for finite sin), the unfair disadvantage for people born into a different religion, ... the list goes on. Any all-powerful God who would create such a world (when presented with an infinite choice of other possiblities) has to be a monster.

[@petersalazar1790]

Watching from India on Christmas Day too .Thank you Justin !

[@piratealeks6865]

I’m not an atheist anymore, and the arguments for gods existence resonate with me. What I DON’T understand is how you then make the leap to believing in the Bible/Christianity, specifically. Might be interesting to see some discussions between Christians and … I guess deists? Or any non religious people who still believe in a higher power. Either way I enjoy your channel, it’s interesting!

[@asamiyashin444]

Yeah, it is depressing to see people bouncing from one extreme to another of the false dichotomy like ping pong balls. For example, Native Americans could debate both sides of the dichotomy pretty well. They are neither atheists, nor Christians.

[@cyclqal]

Hi there! I love that you have the open mindedness to think about this subject and the life decisions that come with it. I have a (relatively) simplified syllogism + factually verifiable basis that is very good evidence for specifically Christianity. 1. Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus was (and continues to be) God, and he died and rose from the dead as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. 2. We have eyewitness testimony that Jesus did indeed perform miracles, claim to be God, and even go so far as to rise from the dead. 3. If 2 is true, then at least the basics of Christianity are true and worth following. A reasonable follow up considers the "eyewitness testimony" mentioned in 2. You may ask questions like "How do we know it is still accurate? How do we know the eyewitnesses didn't lie? How do we know the eyewitnesses were not deceived? How do we know they were even eyewitnesses?" Q1) We have extremely old manuscripts of the New Testament. In fact, we have a good few. We have manuscripts of varying age from all over the world. They are handwritten and transcribed over and over again. If people had made changes over time, these manuscripts would be wildly different from one another. But they're not--they have minor grammar or spelling errors, but not much else. They've been dutifully preserved. Q2) The eyewitnesses, the disciples of Jesus such as Matthew and Peter, had no motivation to lie. They faced immense hardships throughout their lives as a direct result of their incessant proclamations that Jesus is Lord and rose from the dead. Peter was crucified for his beliefs. The early believers were not given money, nor food, nor clothes, nor comfort for their beliefs. They had to reason to lie. Q3) The Gospels (eyewitness testimonies I refer to) all tell the same story. They have different idiosyncrasies and clearly explain Jesus' life from different perspectives, but they aren't contradictory. It is impossible that every disciple was deceived exactly into believing the same story. They couldn't have all hallucinated the same thing either (that's not how hallucinations work). Q4) Simple answer. The Gospels have many details that both line up with one another and show that the people writing them were actually in the places they claimed to be. Later on, archaeology and immense research continued to show that these details were as accurate as they were abundant. So we have 1) accurate, 2) honest, 3) undeceived, and 4) eyewitness testimony that the person claiming to be God did all that he claimed to be and fulfilled many extremely specific prophies from thousands of years before his time. There are MANY questions to be asked here, and I understand if you are not completely convinced by this evidence, but this at least partly explains why people make "the jump."

[@imamjimjamlawrence]

Jesus' life death and resurrection would be my first place to tell you to look. There's a fair bit of historical evidence outside the Bible to support His existence. Go through the Bible and try to prove it wrong. That's what I did. I've been a Christian for almost four years now haha. God bless you, my friend!

[@Nick-Nasti]

@@imamjimjamlawrencethe Bible is easily proven wrong on many, many points and while a person named Jesus likely existed, nothing about his divinity has any evidence.

[@imamjimjamlawrence]

@@Nick-Nasti "the Bible is easily proven wrong on many, many points" To the best of my ability, I'm willing to answer any discrepancies. Sounds like you're aware of many many. To say that there isn't any evidence isn't accurate. The Old Testament provides prophecies that Jesus fulfilled during His life. As well as His death and resurrection. So, to say that there isn't any evidence isn't true. You may not accept it, but it's still evidence.

[@Lakeslover1]

Thank you so much . Clear , very clear in highlighting Dawkins cleverly worded deceptions.

[@alexandjackieodell7001]

Very good interview! I’m too busy to debate the likes of Sir Dawkins but if I did I would suggest to him the Bible is not so much a text book as it is a manual. Unless one applies what it says one really knows nothing about the message any more than one who studies a manual on sky diving yet never jumps out of a plane. Many scriptures I could site here besides JN chapter 3, but PS 16:11 keeps me centered…’You make known the path to take. In Your presence is fullness of joy…’! Experiencing such truth is why I’m a Christ follower today. Used to be an atheist/agnostic. I have subscribed & will continue to seek you out.

[@captainzappbrannagan]

A book says a thing, and most things are fables, contradictions, and interpretations form anonymous authors. There are no gods mate, living in reality is freeing.

[@frankvandermerwe1487]

How cute, but deeply arrogant of you to suggest that you could go toe to toe with Dawkins in his prime. You first suggestion would get you laughed off stage anyway. "I'm too busy to debate the likes of Dawkins" - mmmmm yeees yes of course you are🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jeezus🙈

[@captainzappbrannagan]

@@frankvandermerwe1487 1000%

[@mullahosk585]

Fascinating podcast. Let's have more interviews of people that saw through the New Atheists

[@kennethmeeker6369]

It definitely takes a lot of faith to believe nothing created everything

[@kleenex3000]

I agree. the Christian god as well as any other being-asserted god, such as YHWH (without Christ!) and Allah, where Christ is reduced to a Profit - (peas be upon him), before the Profit (Mahommet, more peas on him) each is literally NO-thing.

[@trinitymatrix9719]

@@kleenex3000 Let me see.... u are not an atheist...🤣🤣

[@kleenex3000]

@@trinitymatrix9719 I am a born-again ATheist and a staunch NOMINALIST, dear friend.

[@ScotsThinker]

*Y U P*

[@jamesemerson4102]

Although I agree on giving all of your life to Jesus, I think it's also important to remember that we all have ups and downs with sin in our lives as Christians, and just because we make the decision doesn't mean we won't still struggle with sin. We need Gods help and It's a constant battle and a Journey to try and serve God throughout our lives.

[@DRayL_]

I'm glad you qualified it with the "as Christians" part,.....because I was going to say that I don't have "sin" in my life.

[@jamesemerson4102]

@@DRayL_ Wow it must be pretty amazing to be perfect. What is it like?

[@jamesemerson4102]

@@DRayL_ Sadly, many people just don't have the Holy Spirit, and it is only the Holy Spirit that can give you a conscience of sin. You don't have the Holy spirit, so you're not Conscious of your sin, but it's definitely there. You can ask for the Holy spirit to come into your life though and help you realise that you need a saviour. We all do.

[@allingtonmarakan6639]

@@jamesemerson4102 No one is perfect but the concept of 'sin' is illogical and based upon a set of values laid out two or three thousand years ago which are no longer relevant, (if they EVER were in the first place). The god of the buybull supposedly handed down about 600 'laws' detailing 'sins'. How many of those laws do you follow? How many do ANY theists follow? 'Sin' is ridiculous nonsense.

[@jamesemerson4102]

@@allingtonmarakan6639 You're very, very confused on your theology. Sin was not laid down by anybody. Sin has always existed since the creation of man. So, on your first point, your incorrect. If you're talking about Jesus, that was 2000 years ago, not 3000 years, and sin always existed before Jesus ever came.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i think that if religists are going to say that creationism ought to be taught in schools to provide balance, then satanism should be taught in churches for balance, right?

[@jaggedstarrPI]

I am a Christian who is NOT what I think you mean by creationist. I think, but could be wrong, you're referring to young earth creationism, which includes biblical literalism/fundamentalism. I do not think this "creationism" should be taught in high school science classes because, like the first five books of the Bible (i.e. the Torah) it is not, nor was it ever intended to be, science; nor does it include scientific descriptions. No need to rehash this tired old argument here. Your comment was interesting to me because of your reference to Satanism. I get the point you're going for, truly; but I don't think it works because orthodox Christianity is not a dualistic religion, like Zoroastrianism. Satan is not posited as the opposite to God. If anything, he would be opposite to the arch angel Michael. It's probably moot, because I agree that only science should be taught in science classes (crazy, right? Lol) but if you were to suggest another religious teaching, I would posit one with an independent creation story and god character (or gods). Maybe Hinduism? As a Christian, I would agree with you that if ...IF religious texts were to be introduced in high school biology classes, for example, then the Hindu Vedas (sp?) would need to be given equal time, assuming the presence of Hindu students. But hey, Mormons have a very different creation story; so that's even better for your point I think, since there are obviously plenty of Mormon students all over the US and the world for that matter. Sorry for the long winded comment but I was caught up/ interested by your comment. Peace.

[@Garrett-hp2mj]

it is, the story of satan is taught and thats why we side with god.

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

​@@Garrett-hp2mj last time i checked they didn't teach satanic bible. what you're being taught is how god describes satan not what satan says

[@Jayden-zq6fj]

I think the point that we live in a society that has already adopted christian values, morals and ethics points the reason why we should learn about where the beliefs we all share come from. I don't think many agree on the things that satanism teaches. I have yet to talk to an atheist who vehemently disagrees with the teachings of jesus.

[@martyduke3139]

Thank you, Sandra, Peter & Justin & my Friend who just called me!

[@grumpylibrarian]

First of all, thank you for your story, Peter, if i may call you that. I haven't been actively searching for "atheist to christian conversion story," but I get enough theology stuff in my algorithm that I will occasionally get one in my suggested videos. I've been watching some of them lately. What I'm looking for is A) what's your backstory (especially if christian->atheist->christian), B) what convinced you christianity is true, and C) do you think you have a compelling reason that other atheists should believe. The story you have here covered this in greater detail than most, and was quite interesting. If your reason for converting were simply "I read William Lane Craig and found his arguments to be compelling," then you and I could respectfully disagree. If we had the opportunity, perhaps you could say why you found any given argument compelling, and I could agree or disagree, and offer how i felt about that or other arguments. Perhaps a great time could be had by all, even if we left still on different pages. My concern is that the argument you present here, repeatedly and proudly, and even in the video title, is that Dawkins somehow had something to do with this. Dawkins is wrong, therefore christianity is true? I know that's not the precise argument you're offering, but it's pretty close to what you're insinuating. I can't comment much on Dawkins in particular. I became an atheist 18 years before "The God Delusion" was published, and I wasn't interested in the subject at all when the Four Horsemen were at their height of fame. I possibly had heard the name "Christopher Hitchens" before he died, but I I couldn't say for sure. I've watched some of Sam Harris and Lawrence Krauss, but I hardly agree with them on everything. Harris in particular, I think he's an awesome speaker, but I disagree with him far more often than I agree with him. I have atheists and atheistic professionals, as well as agnostic, theistic, and I-have-no-idea professionals that I respect greatly for their work, but nobody gets a free pass. Ideas stand or fall, not people. As for Dawkins, I've seen him every once in a while, but I'm not seeking out his content; his area of evolutionary biology is not one of interest to me, nor is his style of counter-apologetics. If Dawkins was willing to debate some people and not Craig, then I agree that it's a little crappy of him to not do so. I don't put much emphasis on debates to reach truth, just an opportunity for each to get some specific ideas into the discourse and perhaps some entertainment, but that doesn't do anything in defense of Dawkins if he were willing to debate other people. But other people I do respect have debated Craig. I found the Harris and Craig debate to be very entertaining, but almost entirely uninformative, because I agreed with neither of their positions. On the other hand, I found Sean Carroll's debate to be highly informative, though not as comprehensive as I would have liked. Whether it's Craig, Dawkins, or anybody else, any ideas they have is a good or a bad idea, whether they're a good person or not, and no matter how good or bad their other ideas are. I know that the Dawkins dig was to put asses in seats for the channel, but you have a stronger case without referencing him.

[@scottharrison812]

Great response… also intrigues me that atheists and Christians are in an endless tussle between two mutually exclusive polarities so often devoid if intellectual, psychological nuance. New Atheist vs Inerrantist/evangelical kinda dumbed down debates. Both Atheism AND Christianity are far richer than this. What of Pail Tillich or the De docta ignorantia of Nicolas of Cusa? What of the more tragic atheism of Nietzche or the current writings of Benjamin Cain? The conversations could be richer…

[@jbeiler55]

Minor nitpick, when Dawkins talks about debating cardinals etc, he's addressing the comment on the appearance of avoiding the strongest and best arguments from Christians not that he ONLY debates those people.

[@afsar_gunner5271]

Scrooge Richard Dawkins has written books based on total lies just to make some money !! Greedy old man. His attack on religious people is totally disgusting and unacceptable !

[@sethwilley9858]

I think for many atheists, the acceptance of god is not the issue; it's the God of the Bible they reject.

[@DeconvertedMan]

wrong. its lack of evidence for any god.

[@randomuser6306]

Wrong. It's accountability for their lives.

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@randomuser6306 no you just dont want it to be false because of (X). I wish you guys could read what you wrote from a different perspective, I really do.

[@ceceroxy2227]

Its that, plus they may not like religion, they dont like that they have to humble themselves to something greater, and they get lost in their own narcissism, selfishness, and hedonism

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@ceceroxy2227 no, its just that there is no evidence. you all keep up making reasons rather then asking us.

[@northernlight8857]

I still wonder why. What was the evidence that made him change his mind? I have seen tons of Lennox and Craig but i havent heard they give any earthshaking evidence. I am left curious and bewildered.

[@ifonlyone5645]

Some evidence could be tear drops, sexual intercourse can be had in a way where you can look into your spouses eyes while your doing it (my cows sure can’t). Having knees that Bend so we can squat to crap and it doesn’t have to run down our legs.. and the fact that your butt is on your backside easier to stand up and walk away from it and leave it behind, sounds sarcastic but consider it

[@Clodaghbob]

@@ifonlyone5645 Yeah, hmm. You know, we all have different talents. You might reconsider any plans for a career in apologetics. I feel your delivery may need a little tweaking. 🤪

[@rhrrtt]

@@ifonlyone5645 Given that God is supposed to be all powerful and pressumeably could have created the world any way he wanted to, you've got to ask yourself why he created shit in the first place! ... not to mention the fact that when you "look into your spouses eyes" during sex, you end up having to use the same organs you just peed with!

[@ifonlyone5645]

Y’all rough on here lol.. sorry just trying to give a perspective.. hope you guys the best merry Christmas

[@ifonlyone5645]

@ron Harrison sorry man forgot to reply, a perspective I have found on the “why did God make such a shit place” I know if I was Adam in the garden I would’ve made the same stupid choice to eat the apple, I have made a lot of stupid decisions that would turn this into a shit place on my own so maybe humans caused this… the other thing and I’m not trying to argue with you, I was diagnosed with cancer back in July just finished chemo and honestly im very thankful for it, definitely changed me for the better, My wife has had to do pretty much everything for our family and I realized one day the best thing about our relationship was trust , I trusted that she would be there for me through everything, and I can see where if God is truly good, and if we get to the end and find out he is who he says he is, then life has been about building trust and creating a relationship

[@MadderMel]

When I first started to experience social media I at first listened to and quite liked the New Atheists , it wasn't long before it dawned on me how arrogant , smug , conceited , condescending and even perhaps wrong they were , Dawkins for my money is one of the worst !

[@etchalaco9971]

irrelevant

[@etchalaco9971]

@@columbmurray even if it is arrogance, it is irrelevant to their argument. You can be arrogant and be right, you can be humble and be wrong. Logic does not care about those things.

[@Merciless_au]

@@columbmurray like what evidence? The virgin birth ? 😂 the noah’s ark? What evidence?

[@Hello-pz6hb]

It's the stench of chauvinism driven by sheer bigotry. Regardless of which side you're on, epistemic humility is key.

[@TheLegokick]

Very interesting interview! I've just recently found myself believing in, and committed to become a christian. I grew up with parents who were staunch atheists and regarded all religion as either fairytales or actively harmful superstitions. Dawkins was my introduction to academic debate and when I was around 12-14 years old that was all I cared about. Having studied philosophy for almost ten years now, in my discovery of the german romantics (Fichte, Goethe, and Schelling) I've found that I can no longer deny the existence of God and likewise that of the truth that lies in the bible and with Christ. Especially helpful has been this chanel as I had (by way of Dawkins and the New atheists) a view of christians as mainly being either literalists or dishonest cherry pickers.

[@captainzappbrannagan]

Lol you got some education yet you believe in magic. Jesus may not have even existed. Hit the books again you will see how books of fables are just people tryna get money and control like always.

[@yukonjack8103]

@@captainzappbrannagan Yikes! Agnostic/atheist biblical scholar Bart Ehrman, and his many sources, say Jesus most definitely existed. You're going to find it nearly impossible to make a logical case for Jesus never existing.

[@RealAtheology]

Since you say you've studied philosophy for nearly a decade, I'm curious about who some of the best Atheist Philosophers you've read are?

[@captainzappbrannagan]

@@yukonjack8103 Read better, I said may not. He most likely he didn't exist. Bart is not the best and misses a lot. If you want better scholarship look at Richard Carrier he debunks Bort very well.

[@captainzappbrannagan]

@@RealAtheology He lying and you caught him. He no true scottsman.

[@clarekuehn4372]

Thank you, both. Gloria in excelsis Deo 😍

[@manchestermission909]

Lovely bloke this peter.. he reminded me of my college years too and love for ppl wherever they're coming from, thanks 👍

[@sandracoombs2255]

What a charming, joyful and uplifting conversation! Thank you so much Peter and Justin. I’ve been a listener to Unbelievable for 10 years. I well remember watching elements of the William Lane Craig tour and the debates. And I remember seeing video of Peter’s great question to Richard Dawkins. It is so nice to see where Pete is now and to know he’s in the Unbelievable fold. I’m watching this in Australia very early on Christmas morning. What a beautiful fitting story to start Christmas Day!! 😊🙏🇦🇺 Blessings to you both.

[@martyduke3139]

I am watching this from Rochester, NY, as Christmas Eve (my favorite day of the year) ends & Christmas Day begins! I feel connected to you there in Australia, to these 2 men in the video & to my wonderful friend who just called me! What a wonderful Christmas! So many good tidings of great joy in my life, the greatest of which is the reality of Jesus Christ.

[@sandracoombs2255]

@@martyduke3139 Greetings from 🇦🇺🇦🇺 Marty. I hope you have a very happy Christmas. 😊 🎄

[@Aftershock416]

The atheist movement doesn't promise to deliver anything! I'm not an atheist, but even I can recognize that he utterly misrepresents and outright discards the majority of the arguments people such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitches make. Has he even seriously listened to these people in more than 10 second soundbites? I will further point out that Dawkins is a biologist and not a philosopher and while his work has gained mainstream popularity, he is hardly the authority on atheism. As apologetics go, William Lane Craig is hardly original, merely rephrasing arguments that have already been made by his far more intelligent forebears. This man did not go looking for answers. He already had a christian worldview and went looking for whatever he could find it justify it. "I grew up Christian, went to a few atheist talks and doubted religion for a while, and then I was a Christian again."

[@ericgreen3030]

Life is more serious then modern society leads us to believe. I'm a very loved father with 4 beautiful children. If they go TOO far out bounds they will not be suported. That is like God's judgment.

[@ericgreen3030]

I hear you. Just that God came to us in a familiar way so we could actually relate to his will. Father mother brother sister . When shit hits the fan. Don't say I didn't tell you. Keep inquisitive.

[@petermeyer6873]

"The atheist movement doesn't promise to deliver anything!" Exactly, because there isnt anything to be delivered! Stop searching for a free lunch.

[@tellingtruthexperiencingli9355]

I don't wish to be Justin, but I would love to take hold of his interviewing skills and disposition during the debates of his quests.

[@mystrength5640]

Peter., May our Lord God Bless you abundantly! Our married daughter and husband have just moved to London from Johannesburg… permanently.. They devoted Christians, We miss them terribly, but know God will use them to Spread his word! Many South African Christians took God with them to Australia over the last 30 years! And Now many are Taking God back to The Uk! It’s OUR loss, But God Wins! Thank you to you both for your wonderful vlogs! 🙏🏻✝️🦁🐑🇿🇦

[@Aftershock416]

South Africa is already an overwhelmingly Christian country unfortunately, we really don't need them here spreading anything.

[@garyviehe9365]

I'm not sure if it is relevant or not to anyone, but after I listened to the conversation the second time, (out of curiosity), I counted 64 times Peter said "You know." I could never understand why someone has to keep explaining what they believe the other person already "You know."

[@FaiaHalo]

@John Doe this was an actual question... Why are you so triggered by this person's statement and why make such a fuss about the comment?

[@johnsposato5632]

@@FaiaHalo He's not triggered. He has a fair and well-reasoned objection to the other person's "point." He stated it with a bit too much hot sauce for my liking, but he's not wrong. "You know", "uh", "so" are conversation fillers used while the speaker gropes for what he wants to say next. Some people who are extraordinarily fluent will not resort to their use as often as others, but their overuse does not necessarily point to a deficiency in one's logic or beliefs.

[@johnsposato5632]

And, please, can we henceforth restrict the use of the word "triggered" to conversations about guns and other similar weapons?

[@hhstark8663]

The work by Dawkins has been thoroughly DEBUNKED by the following works: - *"Answering Atheism"* by former agnostic Trent Horn - *"I don´t have enough faith to be an atheist"* by former agnostic Frank Turek - *"Is atheism dead?"* by Eric Metaxas - *"The Dawkins Delusion"* by former atheist scientist Alistair McGrath - *"The Devil´s Delusion"* by scientist David Berlinski - *"The last superstition: A refutation of new atheism"* by former atheist philosopher Edward Feser. - *"On Guard"* by former agnostic philosopher William Lane Craig - *"There is a god"* by former atheist philosopher Anthony Flew - *"Return of the god hypothesis"* by scientist Stephen Meyer - *"Stealing From God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case"* by Frank Turek - *"God´s Undertaker"* and *"Gunning for God"* by John Lennox _________________ In video-form, I recommend the former atheist channels *"inspiring philosophy"* (Michael Jones) and *"Testify"* (Erik Manning).

[@belfastboy7746]

Strange that you should list Anthony Flew in your list of debunkers given that Flew completely debunked the idea of the Christian God. Such is the desperation of believers that they are reduced to claiming people who firmly rejected the Christian God to support the Christian God’s existence.

[@hhstark8663]

@@belfastboy7746 You obviously has not read his book.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

@@hhstark8663 Stealing From God - Why Atheists Need God To Make Their Case, is one of my all time favorites! As for Antony Flew, his conversion from hard core Atheism, to belief in God (some sort of Deism to be specific, if I recall correctly) came unexpectedly, for many people. So perhaps some are still unaware of his later book: There IS A God - How The World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind. "Why do I believe this, after I had defended Atheism for more than a half century? The short answer is: this is the world picture, as I see it, that has emerged from modern science" (Antony Flew). Thanks for the great list of books, Harry Stark. (On Guard is another great one!)

[@rinzler9171]

Didn't Meyer also write "Darwin's Doubt?"

[@jeffphelps1355]

All those references are awesome but Inspiring Philosophy has really been a great inspiration.

[@felipeherrerasalinas9488]

This type of intellectually honest persons are amazing. Cheers and Merry Christmas!

[@stevehumphries4928]

God word in the Bible defines what faith is ... “Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the *evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.* 2 For by means of it, the men of ancient times had witness borne to them.” - Heb 11:1, 2

[@SpotterVideo]

Can we prove that Jesus is the Messiah promised in the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures? Prophecy Fulfillment 1. Born of Seed of the Woman Genesis 3:15 Galatians 4:4 2. Born of a Virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18, 24-25 3. Son of God Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17 4. Seed of Abraham Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1 5. Son of Isaac Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:23, 34 6. Son of Jacob Numbers 24:17 Luke 3:23, 34 7. Tribe of Judah Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:23, 34 8. Family line of Jesse Isaiah 11:1 Luke 3:23, 32 9. House of David Jeremiah 23:5 Luke 3:23, 31 10. Born at Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1 11. Presented with Gifts Psalm 72:10 Matthew 2:1, 11 12. Herod Kills Children Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16 13. His Pre-Existence Micah 5:2 Colossians 1:17 14. Shall Be Immanuel (God with Us) Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23 15. Preceded by Messenger Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:1-2 16. Entered Jerusalem on Donkey Zechariah 9:9 Luke 19:35-37 17. Sold for Thirty Pieces of Silver Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:15 18. Price Thrown for Potter’s field Zechariah 11:13 Matthew 27:5, 7 19. Silent Before Accusers Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 27:12 20. Wounded and Bruised Isaiah 53:5 Matthew 27:26 21. Crucified with Thieves Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38 22. Garments Parted and Lots Cast Psalm 22:14 John 19:23-24 23. His Forsaken Cry Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46 24. Bones Not Broken Psalm 34:20 John 19:33 25. His Side Pierced Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34-37 26. Fulfilled the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:31-34 Hebrews 8:6-13, 10:16-18, 12:22-24 27. Messiah killed Daniel 9:24-27 John 19:18-30 Adapted from the book… “The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell. Josh McDowell set out to prove that Christianity was false. Because of what he found in his research, he became a Christian. The same thing happened to C.S. Lewis, and Lee Stroebel. The probability of any man fulfilling just 8 of these is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. (17 zeros)

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Pray to him tonight

[@cobythomas6919]

Just commenting to find this again later

[@Subutai2024]

Do you understand what EVIDENCE is????? Obviously not. Just because something is written in a book, it doesn’t mean is true. Otherwise, Harry Potter is real, or The Lorda of the Rings is a real story. The Bible is just a bunch of books with fictitious stories. Nothing else. Prove me I’m wrong.

[@curiousgeorge555]

@@Subutai2024 You are completely missing the point. It isn't evidence simply because it is written in a book (i.e. it says in the Koran that Allah will give you 72 virgins if he lets you into heaven so it must be true). It is evidence because it predicts down to the detail many things that were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, hundreds to thousands of years prior to his birth.

[@beemer2869]

Great interview, thank you. God is moving in mysterious ways. I feel a much needed revival in the air.

[@matswessling6600]

No. peoples minds moves in mysterious ways and believs any weird shit...

[@jakeroberts6274]

Amazing interview. Thanks so much.

[@stevenumphlett6730]

Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. Hebrews 13:9 NKJV

[@rinzler9171]

The biggest problem with either atheists or believers is neither side throws all their cards on the table at an attempt to discover the truth together. They play power games to get the other side in a "gotcha" moment as if to debunk their cause, refusing to consider their side may in fact be incorrect.

[@kingcongie]

This is why people need to look at their arguments from the opposing side and do their absolute best to tear it apart. If you can't tear it apart, chances are it's a decent argument, if you can, then there you go, it's either wrong or unrefined. In any case, if you don't believe in Jesus, you should! He's the only way to get to Heaven! :D

[@DRayL_]

@@kingcongie True.....which is what I did....and have found agnosticism to be my most reasonable and honest position to hold.

[@kingcongie]

@@DRayL_ At least you're not an Atheist! :D I figured that I ought to just pick the religion that I found most convincing and logical instead of being agnostic.

[@DRayL_]

@@kingcongie In a very technical sort of way, I would tend to approach the atheist side more than the theist side....however, I remain at being agnostic because I don't have all the knowledge of the universe to make any viable claim that "no god type entities exist". It could be that none do...but I can't know that. But I do like to contemplate on what "supernatural entities" might exist...and even wrote a fiction novel that used this as a basis. It was a fun experience writing it.

[@silverltc2729]

Ex-atheist here. I got to hold on to the robe of Jesus Christ in a world more real than this one. My soul physically felt him place the whole universe into perfect order. I mean perfect. He was so pure, so holy and so majestic. Peace eminated off him. It was the best moment of my life. When I woke up, I cried hard for about 1 hour because I knew I had lived a lie. Jesus is real. The Temple was destroyed and rebuilt in 3 days.

[@sumo1203]

Sounds like one of my LSD trips

[@nisbenyricardo533]

Silver LTC amen my brother in Christ I’m so happy you got to meet GOD ALMIGHTY

[@davebonar1]

@@sumo1203 Yah, but it did it without a drug and it hasn't worn off, not comparable. A moment of clarity and revelation that brings your existence and a supreme creator who never changes in contrast to a selfish and hateful world that we are immersed in and spiraling downhill. People are looking to other people to give them meaning of existence is laughable and everyone's opinion is just that.

[@sumo1203]

@@davebonar1 really? It hasn’t worn off? That persons soul it still outside his body? Sure, if you say so. A creator who never changes? Have you read both testaments? Whatever you say. People looking to other people to give them meaning? Again not sure how you know that and also Who cares what gives other people meaning? Oh yeah, and how do you demonstrate any of that.

[@davebonar1]

@@sumo1203 Are you sure your not still on your LDS trip? Not going to try to respond to someone who tries to read their own meaning into something that is not there. We all have the ability and free will and conscience to believe anything we want to. Why does it bother you that someone believes in God and the bible ? Your life and your future in whatever you believe. I'm old enough to let people believe what they want to. Hope you are happy with trying to disprove what others believe .

[@gabrieldietz1866]

There sure are a lot of very rude people in this comment section, who all seem to believe they are smarter than the next person….. I suppose that’s to be expected when a channel deals with things like this, you’re bound to get an immense amount of hate and anger

[@babhag5481]

Gabby...chill

[@gabrieldietz1866]

@@babhag5481 I am, in fact, extremely chill lol but I can understand not letting the opportunity to use such a good meme pass you by. I respect that 😂😂😂

[@jeffpickens4467]

Gabby spitting fax, lol. Being the Internet it can be harder to love one another, cause ye aren't seeing a person.

[@pberggre]

Richard Dawkins book selfish gene was one of the major things I read that proved the Bible was true to me.

[@belfastboy7746]

A very easy claim to make without backing it up. So perhaps you can explain how the book proved to you that all 66 books of the bible were 100 true? Or perhaps you don’t think the entire Bible is true?

[@TheMichaelseymour]

@@belfastboy7746 why would that be so hard to believe that the entire bible is corrupted ....you may even say in a court of law that would deem it to be "inadmissible " -however , truth will resonate ....its that simple ...you can sense when it is not sincere or self serving ....basically , jesus new testament musings are simple , but beyond reproach .

[@pberggre]

@@belfastboy7746 ok thanks for attempting to correct my choice of words. A few million experiences led me to realize that the entire Bible is true (minus little inconsequential verses that are in-house debated by some scholars today) however when I began to realize certain parts of it were significantly real it was when I read the selfish gene. Because it was scientifically proving what the Bible describes as being after the flesh. Or the carnal mind… which is a theme through the entire Bible, that up until that point I just thought of as pseudo science or pseudo psychology. Years later I have now seen Christ on his throne more than once, seen many demons with my eyes and with my spirit, something you can’t even experience until you are born of the spirit, and have cast out demons from people who manifested with a different voice and personality and it left and the person experienced a level of freedom and clarity that they couldn’t before because of the understanding of authority given to me by God through scripture and experiencing his presence every single day. Since then God has told me many many things in the future that hadn’t happened yet that came to pass, and I have laid hands on people and healed the sick and they recovered instantly in Jesus name. Not to mention so many more things that you too could have your eyes open to if you would actually follow the recipe for the experiment of proving God. The way you are trying to find it is like taking detailed instructions of an experiment then deciding you need a different kind of evidence without ever performing the required steps to get the result. You’ll never find it that way

[@belfastboy7746]

@@pberggre You didn’t explain how the book The Selfish Gene proved to you the entire Bible is true. I suspect this is because there is no way that it could persuade any rationale person of that. This is another example if believers making bold statements to support their beliefs which they subsequently fail to back up. Truth stands up to scrutiny. Your statement doesn’t.

[@pberggre]

@@belfastboy7746 my goal was never to explain how the selfish gene proved that the entire Bible was true. My point was to say that many things in my life led to many questions. I got many many answers for many many things but each compartmentalized category did not quite line up totally. That is until one of the puzzle pieces that is the selfish gene entered the scene. It scientifically proved one theme throughout the Bible. Not that the whole thing was true at that time, but that the main theme of it was true. And this was a pivotal point for me I had gone from a theist at a young age to an atheist to an agnostic and then It wasn’t until this book that made me go from an agnostic to a possible theist. I read a few others, notably the drunkards walk, the genius within, the 6th and 7th book of Moses, the shock doctrine, the spirit molecule, 48 laws of power, a few pages of the satanic Bible, many many other books some about neuroplasticity, and all these healing techniques, a few self help books, and the Bible itself that I realized there was a whole world I didn’t understand and things in it that were right in from of everyone that we are missing. All these things were just proving different parts of the Bible in ways that most people gloss right over. Or they think it’s saying something different but the science is just saying they knew these things on a different level because of what was revealed. I Did a lot of hallucinogens, saw beings, saw scary things, felt and experienced things that all when put together made perfect sense and proved unequivocally that the entire Bible is true. That there is a spirit world governing everything, an eternal timeless realm. States of mind that are healing, and then others that are contradictory and how that affects the body. I tried dmt and fell into actual hell. Like the one described in different parts in the bible. And I cried out to God like the Bible said to do. God came to me and spoke to me in a peaceful still small voice just like the Bible says. Warned me about my friends, told me he loved me and that my friends were sent by the devil to destroy my life. I mind you I did not believe there was a devil at this point and did not care to believe there was one. When I looked at them I could see demons controlling them and I could hear them speaking to each other in the spirit saying oh no he knows. I was delivered from the hell realm by God and the whole trip went away instantly. Then I read the Bible. Then as I read the Bible I got healed of chronic pain just from reading it. And it was different than the meditation healing and psychological healing I had done through the other techniques I had learned. It was holy, and pure and I could sense it and understand it and know it. I had an abscess in my forehead with tremendous pressure and every time I read the Bible the pressure would release and I could feel my glands working better and emptying out all the fluid and it would heal. (Nothing else worked) reading other things or watching too much the would make my pain come back because of the patterns of influence and communication lacking truth. Then in contrast I would experience ecstasy and healing and supernatural peace when reading the Bible and connectivity in my whole body. If I did anything against what the Bible said I would experience splitting pain, or do what it said right perfect ecstasy. Then the future things God told me would come true. Then I actually started studying apologetics and what the scholarship actually says about the Bible. And all that is like ok and fine and dandy but it’s all week compared to my actual experiences of God and the supernatural and healing power of Jesus. I’ve had hundreds of supernatural experiences where I was being attacked by demons and only the name of Jesus could help and it would instantly work. Then I started finding others with the same experiences. A friend of mine who is not a believer actually had sleep paralysis, and he tried everything to make it stop and go away and one time it just came to him subconsciously that he should use the name of Jesus and he did and it went away he said it’s the only thing that worked. I have since experienced real visions of Jesus on a throne in the spirit realm while I was wide awake. I mean I was there. As there as I am here right now. Like straight up felt like I was in another dimension. Huge golden throne Jesus sitting next to the father God. And this huge demon guy next to me gripping my heart and God spoke and it shattered. Another time was worshipping in church and suddenly was in the throne room again but this time there were angels and Jesus looked bright like the sun. Shining, and he said look at me. And when I did I had perfect perfect peace. And his spirit was going into mine and healing me deeper. And anywhere there was pain in my body was a place I was ignoring him or turning from him and I realized that was true for everyone not just me. And Jesus is in a special position in a place where we don’t understand that is above everything in a timeless realm where he is the perfect image of who we are supposed to be and in him is hidden our purpose our abilities what a human really is, why a human really is, etc etc and we are all ignoring it because there is a dark side using disorder and lies and chaos to distract and confuse us, using every pattern every human always uses to get there way in a way that doesn’t include the whole eternal picture of their future. It’s so simple when you see it. But we have all been so far gone and programmed away from it we get to twisting things like you just tried to, into some irrelevant argument about the most relevant topic in the world. And I know you didn’t intentionally. You’re just looking for some intellectual consistency, I get it. I was there once. But you are designed for something that you don’t even know exists. And it’s like hidden in you. And faith is the key. But you can see it as some blind made up belief. It’s more like a position you take that causes the structure of your design to align with something timeless and light enters, and it is true substance. I’m not talking about some idea I heard about in the Bible. I’m talking about something tangible that literally gives you a knew part or being or upgrade or something there isn’t a way of saying it in layman’s terms other than it gives you the spirit of God, which is something that gives you a type of sense that you didn’t have through having his spirit. It’s literally like if you opened your eyes for the first time after not knowing you even had eyes. It would be like trying to describe what hearing sounds like to hellen keller. No offense I can now go in that throne room before Jesus any time and get advice and he always explains things perfectly in ways I couldn’t think of before and his recommendations always work and improve my life. I have been given authority to lay hands on people and I can feel power run though me and they can feel it too. I had a non believers whole left side of his body twitching and saying I did not expect that. God has healed people and raised them up off a bed they couldn’t get out of seconds before, and I could feel ecstasy leave me and go into them. And they could feel it too. All simply by commanding it in the name of Jesus because of the words I’ve read in the Bible coupled with experience. The list goes on and on. Literally every day proves God and Christ and the Holy Spirit and angels to me all over again. I feel like these guys in the Bible. You’re arguing against something that is eternal and will eventually be proven unequivocally true. So stop resisting God, it’s resisting reality itself and you are not strong enough for that trust me, I’ve tried.

[@lcunningham1776]

Merry Blessed Christmas!

[@seans5289]

What an emotional story. Rare to see such an emotional reason for religious conversion. Thank you

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Aren't all religious conversations based upon emotion?

[@seans5289]

@@theoskeptomai2535: But… but that would mean… but what about the arguments? Plus, the trees

[@hhstark8663]

I can recommend Edward Feser´s testimony, if you want to see someone who did NOT have an emotional reason.

[@seans5289]

@@hhstark8663: What non-emotional reasons prompted Feser’s conversion?

[@Xgy33]

do you need to detach yourself from all emotions in order to believe ? How can you do that?

[@steveweiss7191]

How did you select the brand of Christianity that you now support?

[@rizdekd3912]

Or even which god you're going to believe in. If this guy converted back TO Christianity and due to something Dawkins wrote/said, then I contend he was never an atheist. He may have thought of himself that way, but simply rejecting Christ as one's savior is NOT becoming an atheist. Someone who has actually become an atheist no longer has ANY concept of god to which he might return.

[@Fubizz12345]

Religions don’t have brands, they have people leaving the belief system and adapting in their own system. This is true even among atheists who try to redefine the word atheism to mean “I don’t know.” But that is diverging from Ancient Greek “a” meaning without and theos “god.” Only when the French came along did they add the T to athiesT. Christian’s follow and teach what Christ taught. Jesus said it in the most harsh of terms that If you do not obey my words you are not mine and I will deny you before the father and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (I summarize sermon on mount.) There are over a dozen times Jesus says that diverging away from the Bible and what He says and teaches means you are not His nor can claim to follow or know him. Jesus calls them “a thief who enters by a different way. My sheep enter by the gate and know my voice.”

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

At 50 I've watched the older faces of athiesm convert late in life many times and I have a feeling Dawkins himself may end up a death bed convert as well hes just been wrestling with God so much for so long .

[@pwoods100]

There are just as many people who are old that deconvert. It goes both ways. Don't pretend it doesn't.

[@hhstark8663]

You are correct. Even Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, Fred Hoyle, Anthony Flew, Allan Sandage, Sy Garte (and many others) *accepted god* . It´s detailed in the book *Is atheism dead?* by Eric Metaxas, and in Flew´s own book *"There is a god"* and his Garte´s book *"The works of his hands"* . ______________ In video-form, I can recommend the channels *"inspiring philosophy"* (Michael Jones) and *"Testify"* (Erik Manning).

[@belfastboy7746]

@@hhstark8663 Anthony Flew did not accept the Christian God and it is foolish to suggest that he did. Anyone who knows anything about Flew will know that he firmly rejected the idea of the Christian God. It is because of the extreme weakness of the arguments for the existence of the Christian God that believers are so desperate to claim people as believers in their God who most certainly aren’t.

[@hhstark8663]

@@belfastboy7746 Read the my comment again. You obviously didn´t read it clear enough. Anthony Flew arguably become a nominal cultural Christian.

[@belfastboy7746]

This is known as wishful thinking …. or a victory for hope over reality

[@normanthrelfall8313]

Evidence documented that Jesus lived Antiquities 18:63. The standard text of Flavius Josephus historian, reads as follows: At this time there was a wise man called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. Many people among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive. Accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have reported wonders. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day. Pliny the Younger is another valuable historical source for information on Jesus and the early Church. Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, located in Asia Minor. In the year 112 AD, he wrote to the Emperor Trajan, asking how he should deal with those in his region who have been accused of being Christians. Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature; his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men. These references to Jesus are embarrassing to many because of what Jesus said and did during his ministry like: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up; leave them alone, they are blind leaders of the blind, and if the blind lead the blind, shall they not both fall into the ditch. This is a good word for evolutionists and their blind faith, which has no substance in the fossil record of any micro-evolution or macro-evolution. We only have kinds within Species as part of their genetics. There are no transitional fossils as evidence. [The description above, agrees with the so-called Abgar description of Jesus as well as the description of Jesus given by Nicephorus Callistus, St. John Damascene, and the Book of Painters (of Mount Athos)[4]. God haters attack the teachings of Flavius Josephus as fake news, as if he had anything to gain as a secular historian for lying. Like scholars attack the claims of Marco Polo who commented that the Emperors of China used dragons to pull their chariots and that their eggs were considered a delicacy. What had Marco Polo got to gain by lying? Sir Richard Owen the Father of Paleontology, renamed dragons dinosaurs in 1841. I could talk about Dr Dennis Swift, but enough has been said-Kind Regards Norman

[@GuitarDog_atx]

Nope, those are weak. They only show that xtians existed at the end of the 1st century. They are quoting what xtians think about their deity. The Josephus quote is a known forgery, but it's not contributed to him but others What's embarrassing and inconvenient to believers is the lack of any contemporaneous historical mention of the most important person/event in history. ZERO. The Dead Sea Scrolls don't even mention him and they were being written at the time. The references to Lentulus is what's embarrassing. This was a mysterious letter of unknown origin. Shows how desparate believers are to find something, anything to support their theology.

[@5BBassist4Christ]

I've always seen Dawkin's "I'll debate any bishop, but not an apologist" as a terrible smoke-screen. Debating a bishop sounds top tier, but they're trained in theology, not defensiveness of the faith. In my own journey, I find I have to think very differently when considering apologetics VS how I have to think theologically. To think apologetically, I have to almost assume the Bible is not inerrant, I have to assume God does not exist, and I have to assume science and cognitive senses are the base of all reality. When I think theologically, the Bible needs to be my first source and God is my ultimate authority. Depending on what I'm studying, the Bible is the least credible source or the most. So saying "I'll debate any bishop" is just pulling a high rank figure out of their rank to humiliate them, while refusing to debate an apologist is keeping yourself safe from the same humiliation. It is terribly dishonest, and is now beginning to bite Dawkins in the butt.

[@kleenex3000]

Dawkins is imho a philosophical lightweight. Dawkins will never be able to assert that mass and energy are - PER SE - exactly as imaginary as are YHWH and Allah. I am dead serious. Before you even consider responding, study the assertion of NOMINALISM.

[@marc-julien6826]

@@kleenex3000 I agree, Dawkins is a relatively good debater, but not a strong thinker. Same holds true for the „moral landscaper“ Sam Harris, and unfortunately also for my beloved Cristopher Hitchens (albeit, the latter, I think, is much better still than the other two self-proclaimed „horsemen“).

[@kleenex3000]

@@marc-julien6826 C.Hitchens was, obviously, at a loss for a concise response, when he was asked: "Upon what standard do you assert [that eternal Hell fire *IS* bad] ?" by a certain Doug Wilson, THEN. This famous question [found this part of the discourse in the KZbin video : *Doug Wilson vs. Christopher Hitchens - ¿Cuál es tu criterio?* - with english subtitles - it CAN be answered as follows: Standards = properties = informednesses = informations = awarenesses = individual inside-brain effects *= truths =* opinions = imaginary = PSYCHE. IOW: Nobody can answer the question "what IS your standard?" = what IS your imaginary?" since the imaginary is labelled imiaginary for the reasomn that it NOT even "IS" All that you and I, Doug and Christopher CAN answer, it is the question: "What is/are your very real information-SOURCE/S?" (1) It is human beings (PHYSIS!) acting (2) it is assertions (LOGOI!) published by people. The most relevant LOGOI = manmade information-sources are: - law-books - science-books - holy-books ("scriptures") kind regards from GERMANY!

[@konroh2]

@@kleenex3000 Don't we need God as the basis for reality? It's why Jesus is proclaimed as the LOGOS. He is the Word became flesh.

[@kleenex3000]

@@konroh2 NT, John1? NOPE The basis of reality is the elements of the Periodic table. Research this for yourself. We should also DULY keep "in mind" (actually: in our evolved-primate brain) that the symbol "logos" λόγος is used throughout the Holy Scripture as "written or spoken word" 🚩 iow it symbolizes a material brain EFFECT rather than an immaterial CAUSE.

[@bobskane4353]

Not sure when Pete claims he was an atheist but it certainly was before 2009. The hostility in his voice when questioning Dawkins is palpable.

[@JohnSmith-fp8il]

Great point! Anyone who asks Dawkins a hard question and purports to expose his cowardice can’t be a true atheist. True atheists don’t do that. They idolize Dawkins. Thank you for pointing out this apostasy.

[@trinitymatrix9719]

Yep, true atheists deny to use a brain or ask critical questions.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@JohnSmith-fp8il Nah, his question was so dumb that I immediately thought that he must be a Christian.😂

[@petewalker6321]

Great interview and wonderful to hear about Peter's faith journey. Thanks guys!

[@larslover6559]

Peter Byron is hilarious! Great interview. Jesus is the truth! He is our righteousness, sanctification and blessing.

[@eddie1975utube]

So Dawkins doesn’t want to debate some fundamentalist and therefore this proves god exists?? Yeah right. Go learn more science.

[@glowmentor]

A E Wilder-Smith debated David Attenburgh at Oxford... the BBC lost the tapes.

[@glowmentor]

Interesting how many angry atheists are in the comments! Obviously can't keep away from the subject.

[@Andres64B]

How can something that is non physical and not within the realm of space and time exist? To not exist within the realm of space and time is to not exist.

[@Andres64B]

@@joefriday2275 Religion isn't science. Science is a method of doing things.

[@whitese7en448]

The person he speaks of who converted to atheism from Christianity, either still is a Christian or never was a Christian. My gut leads me to believe that he never was a Christian.

[@jamesatkinson7517]

So fantastic to see these young men discussing their journey. God is still calling people to himself in this world. It’s so encouraging. I have heard this saying before but worth mentioning here because it’s so true, if religion was man made as some atheists say, why would man make it go against his desires. Also why would he make it so we put someone else in charge ie, Christ. It’s a stupid argument. If man were to make up a religion I’m sure it would be like another type that allows multiple wives or better still concubines,with us as the controller. not God. Oh and yep no penalties.

[@jamesjones11301994]

Exactly. We’d make it to suit our desires!

[@darkeen42]

Doesn't it bother you the more people learn the less they believe it's almost like ignorance is always the defense of faith

[@darkeen42]

No I don't think they're saying why would we put somebody in charge like Christ atheists are saying why do you think you can pawn the responsibilities of your immoral actions off on Christ why do you not see that as the most memorable thing you can possibly believe.

[@hhstark8663]

Peter Byrom´s journey: (cultural) Christian -> hard-core atheist -> (confessional) Christian ______________________ Article: *"Disillusioned with Dawkins: My Journey from Atheism to Christianity"*

[@questionmark7045]

„My Journey from Christian to atheism and stoicism” by ME.

[@mizmera]

End of vid... The closer you get to God, the more you get attacked.

[@bearinasuithaha8417]

The more your beliefs stray from reality the more people can point it out

[@mizmera]

@@bearinasuithaha8417 The more you try to sound smart like you... the more you show your low IQ

[@bearinasuithaha8417]

@@mizmera hmm that sounds like an even pettier insult than the one I gave to you. Fair enough I guess. Keep on believing you make sense and I’ll keep on living in the demonstrable reality

[@mizmera]

@@bearinasuithaha8417 mmm. I dont care that you are lost. Enjoy it :p

[@adamgates1142]

Sad that God doesn't protect you from being "attacked" lol

[@carlpierce2486]

Absolutely nothing about what killer argument was said to 'convert' him back to the iron age cult.

[@ceceroxy2227]

just the evidence and argumensts convinced him, even though he didnt want it to be true.

[@beastumfan]

So why did he convert?

[@Notevenone]

“You become a Christian it’s the start not the end.” This is so very true. I had no idea what I was getting into. But truly I felt I had no choice. So here I am, from being completely indifferent for several decades to one day two years ago something happened to me and my journey began. Would I give God up now that I know the journey is hard? Not on my life, that narrow gate has called my name and I will happily walk through it.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

“You become a Christian it’s the start not the end. True, but also a kind of a banality. Becoming a scientist is also just a start. As is every serious endeaver.

[@paulduffield1785]

What a great watch. As a Christian it was when one of my best friends did a total U-turn on faith and became actively against it that it made me search deeper than ever about what I believed. But when you have a personal walk and relationship with God rather than just a philosophical one then digging deeper is nothing to be feared. For me it only propelled my faith and my life forward in many powerful ways.

[@braydynniewiadomski5454]

Great point about the necessity of a personal walk and relationship with God being more important than a mere philosophical belief. That trust, faith and God given patience and wisdom will support you through the valleys of doubt, those times where you don't have the answers or feel like the questions are too overwhelming, and will bring you to a more powerful and living faith than ever before. Digging deep is nothing to be feared. Amen. Lord bless you to keep shining your light. Colossians 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

[@thegreatcornholio7255]

He's right though, watching William Lane Craig at Oxford, lay into and just dismember Dawkins book, really showed that Dawkins literally has no idea what he's saying on the subject. Dawkins claims to be "logical" and seemingly has no idea what the subject is, or what a logical syllogism is, or what the logical rules of inference are. It was amazing to watch.

[@cpt.kimintuitiondemon]

What do you think was the best argument wlc made against dawkins ?

[@thegreatcornholio7255]

@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon I mean, for any person that remotely understands the subject, he just destroyed his entire book, and destroyed him as a person who can be taken seriously on the subject. I'd have to go watch it again, but I think there's one point that stands out (that Peter shortly explains here as well). I think it's the most striking example, only because Dawkins in his book reiterates that it is his "central argument" to his "entire book". He then goes on to list his entire argument, as analytic philosophers do, in syllogistic format. The problem is, he doesn't seem to understand that logical syllogisms must follow these mathematical rules called the "Logical Rules of Inference", and in the case of propositional logic are analysis of boolean propositions (statements that can be evaluated to true or false like "Ted is 6' tall"). Dawkins writes this logical syllogism, that doesn't remotely follow the logical rules of inference, claims it's the "central argument" to his book, and then the conclusion of his argument is "Therefore God probably doesn't exist" (or some stupid thing like that, as though he's like calculated the probability or something and can show us what it is lol). If you understand what the logical rules of inference are, what an "argument" is, and to have some armchair "philosopher" like Dawkins write a book as though he's some expert on the subject write out a long-winded argument that follows no rules of inference and then conclude "therefore God probably doesn't exist" LOL His argument may as well have been "1) All birds can fly", 2) "I like to soak in a bath on Saturday morning", 3) "Science is neat", 4) "I think life can come about through chemical processes but couldn't reproduce that if you gave me a billion dollars" 5) "Therefore God probably doesn't exist". I mean, he literally destroyed his book, and it's no wonder Dawkins would never debate a Christian Philosopher (he absolutely refused to debate any, because he was "too busy"). That's just the tip of the iceberg. The guy literally has no idea what he's saying.

[@cpt.kimintuitiondemon]

@@thegreatcornholio7255 I would love a timestamp!

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

Craig usually "wins" the debate for scientifically illiterate people who are more dependent on their intuition, while he loses it for the scientifically literate who notice when his arguments contain appeals to intuition rather than solid fact. That is why you are better off not debating WLC when your audience isn't a scientifically literate one. And when the debate is being recorded for KZbin and other ways of wide public dissemination, most of your audience invariably will be scientifically illiterate. Dawkins knew this. The organizers of the debate event in Oxford 2011 were disrespectful enough to stage the "debate" anyway, with Dawkins' seat empty, even though Dawkins never agreed. That shows once more that it isn't about a respectful dialog, but about battling something out. Not about who's right, but who's winning. One of Craig's arguments from this "debate" shall serve as an example for what I mean. Craig argued that if there is no beginning of time, i.e. there's an infinite past, it becomes inexplicable why now is now. Why this moment (2011 at the time he spoke) is now. He regards this as a reason why the past is finite. This may appear intuitively convincing, but it is pretty much the same as arguing that there can be no negative numbers up to negative infinity, because what would make Zero be Zero then? You can use the concept of an "infinite" for lots of sleight of hand tricks to fool the unwary, and Craig is very good at that. He basically plays a shell game with the infinite, at one point arguing against it, at another arguing for it, always with the aim of appealing to intuition. It is cleverly done, and hard to pick apart in the limited time of a debate. But it won't convince someone who is trained enough to see through the tricks.

[@stefanheinzmann7319]

@@thegreatcornholio7255 I find it remarkable that you refer to an alleged "striking example", which is the "central argument" of Dawkins, without even being able to name it. Instead, you are waffling about logical inference and how Dawkins allegedly gets it wrong, without ever referring concretely to anything Dawkins wrote. I think it is clear that you never read Dawkins' book in the first place. You think that WLC "destroyed" it purely from what you heard in this "non-debate". Otherwise you would have noticed that Dawkins does not even try to follow those winding ways of logic, and ridicules them instead. WLC in fact begins his talk by trying to draw the topic towards his favorite cosmological argument, which he has spent half his life honing. Dawkins on the other hand kills this fallacious argument in the "god delusion" with a single stone, almost in passing, by pointing out that it is merely an arbitrary way to terminate an infinite regress. In a book that aims to present an overview of various arguments for god to the general public, I find that quite sufficient. It would have been entirely inappropriate to descend into the labyrinth of sophistries surrounding the cosmological argument. If someone is interested, there's a number of references one may follow. That's disappointing for WLC, of course, because he is an expert in those sophistries. So he tries to make Dawkins look silly in return, by trying to convince the audience that the cosmological argument is a deep one that requires a lot of study and can't be dismissed so summarily. In a way that's understandable. The "god delusion" is a polemic against theism, so why shouldn't WLC pay back with the same coin? But at the end, he only reaches those who are on his side already. The "god delusion" is a broadside attack on theism, and therefore more successful than anyone's attempt at narrowing down the topic to a single argument like the cosmological one. That's why the "god delusion" is a bestseller on a scale even Craig's books aren't.

[@robertpreisser3547]

Faith ≠ blind faith. Biblical faith is evidence-based. That was one of the most effective lies that even too many Christians bought into: the lie that faith is stronger in the absence of evidence. I have even heard ignorant Christians say things like “you have facts, I have faith.” THAT is actually delusional. Thankfully that’s not at all what Christianity in general and the Bible in particular teaches about faith. The better word for Biblical faith is simply “trust.” And trust, after all, is earned. It is based on known past behavior, known facts about the person being trusted. And that is the exact picture the Bible paints about faith: trust in God based on everything that God has revealed about His nature and character and how faithful He has proven to be in the past. That is no more delusional than a husband trusting in his wife’s love, and vice versa, based on the entirety of their past actions in the relationship.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Perhaps you are alluding to how too many Christians use biblical jargon that doesn't travel well to the present. Christ taught in parables utilizing agricultural verbiage and components of the time which doesn't necessarily mean that someone raised in Suburbia now gets what He was going on about. It is entirely fine to translate a bit, and be creative in our own right, in bringing clarity and understanding to society today through our own kinds of parables that communicate the same truths Jesus taught and expounded upon. Maybe not so much about "Faith", but as you suggest, "Trust". Your analogy of the husband and wife is a good one.

[@Goettel]

The difference being wives are generally real.

[@robertpreisser3547]

@@Goettel Implying God is not, I assume, and yet you have no way to prove that statement true. I note the caveat “generally,” which I would actually agree with. Most gods are false gods, but that by itself doesn’t prove ALL gods must therefore be false. Most elements are not gold but that doesn’t prove gold doesn’t exist. Most planets are not habitable but that doesn’t prove no habitable planet exists. And so on.

[@Goettel]

@@robertpreisser3547 The claim is on the claimant. I claimed that wives are generally real, nothing more. Some I know wish they weren't ; - )

[@robertpreisser3547]

@@Goettel Nice try! Your actual claim was //The difference being wives are generally real// Not simply that wives are generally real, but that there is a difference between wives and…. what, if not God or gods?

[@violettebakom9770]

Wow!! Amazing praise the Lord!!

[@thompson7562]

folks God doesn't owe anyone an explanation for why He does what He does, He is Supreme, The Sovereign and rules over everyone and everything.. When the entire whole world in the time of Noah got drowned and all their eternal souls damned to hell, who later brought a legal charge against God?? Or summoned Him to a Law Court??? It's either you believe in Him or you don't, right? As God doesn't force His will on people..

[@DRayL_]

I don't expect anything from a fictional character in a book.

[@Apriluser]

Fabulous conversation!

[@traceyedson9652]

The Holy Spirit leads us along. We may not yet be able to “give it all” to Christ. It’s impossible all at once, anyway. The intention should be there. But full repentance is by grace, and, through prayer, church attendance and obedience God will reveal what further things need changing and when,

[@theoskeptomai2535]

And how did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists? Please include the data you analyzed and the methodolgies employed to reach such a conclusion. Or simply ignore this straightforward question as all theists have before you.

[@traceyedson9652]

@@theoskeptomai2535 😂😂😂 Good try, but the obvious baiting you’re doing is unhelpful and merely for your own amusement. If it’s an honest question, it wouldn’t be posed in a Comment section. You’d seek the answer in actual debates and presentations available aplenty on this site or other notable places. If you’re merely playing games, I wish you maturity. If you’re truly seeking, follow my advice. Either way, the God Who has revealed Himself to me in the lives of my family & many, many others past & present, in the stunning beauty of creation, in the unfathomable depths of human ingenuity & achievement despite our grave failures, in the testimony of those surprised by His great works in history over millennia, in the life, death & resurrection of one Jesus of Nazareth guide you to the fulfillment of your life’s potential & ultimate meaning.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@traceyedson9652 It certainly is an honest question, one which you cannot provide am honest answer. Here let's demonstrate your dishonesty. I will ask you straightforward questions that you will avoid answering. WATCH!! You have made a claim to truth, specifically that a god exists, have you not? Yes or no.

[@traceyedson9652]

@@theoskeptomai2535 I claim it but I made no such claim. You inferred it, which is jut the same. And I will not continue the game, and you may make whatever inferences, accusations & mockeries you like. I’ve avoided nothing except that I’m neither inclined nor qualified to answer your question. Have at your conclusions. I bid you merry Christmas.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@traceyedson9652 And as with all claims to truth, those making such a claim encumber a burden of evidence. Correct?

[@kimberlyo2037]

Salvation is of the Lord, it is Him that overcomes our hard hearts and doubts, "by grace you have been saved and not by works so that no one may boast" Ephesians Once a person comes to faith in Christ, then sanctification begins conforming us to the image of Christ is not going to be finished this side of eternity. "When we meet Him face to face we shall be like him" 🤗

[@theoskeptomai2535]

May I ask how you came to conclude this Jesus ever existed - was it an observation on your part?

[@lovethetruth7875]

Truly

[@coluccipat100]

A Christian is someone who has received Christ, salvation, and life in your human heart spiritual core, you are now alive in Christ. Basically, you're off the sinking Titanic and are now on solid land, been rescued. If as a Christian you start getting distracted by atheistic arguments, problem of suffering, God not intervening in the world, mistakes in biblical manuscripts ala Bart Erhman, etc., it does not change the core, only the focus, you are still on land, you still have spiritual life, even though your chemical thinking brain is directed in other ways. In Christian lingo, you are saved, but still learning and growing. Or, put another way, you are in Christ, but can either walk by the Spirit(as directed by the Holy Spirit in your heart core) or by the flesh(the ways you have learned to cope with life apart from God's leading; some flesh looks very good, some flesh looks very obviously destructive). Christians can know that God is real in their core life, and can also relax and enjoy life, be themselves. He won't leave, and you can't kick Him out of your heart/spirit.

[@martifingers]

Hi. Can non-Christians have a spiritual life?

[@coluccipat100]

@@martifingers Good question. In my understanding of biblical truth, you can definitely have a soulful life as a non-Christian, ie. meditation, prayer, fasting, yoga, experiences that bring joy, rules and principles of living that could bring the desired results, self-improvement, etc., charity giving out of concern for others, even psychic phenomenon, though I believe/know this encourages the demonic/dark side. I sleep on magnets and use devices that hopefully improve my brain and body health, and have definitely sensed many things using these. But these things involve our body and soul, not necessarily our human spirit. Our body and soul are very complicated, changeable, malleable, improvable, but also flawed because we have been born with the sin virus, into a sin/flawed world, hence the need for salvation, new life, spiritual rebirth, God's grace in Jesus' death and resurrection. Our human spirit is binary, either it is empty/dead, or full/alive in Christ/filled with the Holy Spirit. BTW This sin problem was caused by we created beings, both angels and humans, long ago because of God's gift of free will, which He chose to give us in addition to created life. I would highly recommend you search Andrew Farley, "Body Soul Spirit" sermons. Keep searching and asking these questions, I got my spiritual questions answered in spite of my religious/spiritual life...long story but happy ongoing "ending." Again, highly recommend Andrew Farley and his Grace Message ministry, have learned a lot about relaxing with God.

[@normaodenthal8009]

David Bentley Hart’s book Atheist Delusions does a wonderful demolition job on atheism. Would love to to see Dawkins debate David Bentley Hart, but I doubt he would take him on.

[@DRayL_]

What are some of the main key points in that book.....that it does such "a wonderful demolition job on atheism"? Just curious.

[@Mark-cd2wf]

Dawkins is too busy…🤔

[@normaodenthal8009]

@@Mark-cd2wf Being too busy is always a good way out of anything you’d rather not do. The honest response would be: “I don’t want to do that.”

[@normaodenthal8009]

@@DRayL_ David Bentley Hart’s ‘Atheist Delusion’ corrects the flawed and false narrative about faith being against reason, and other myths of modernity, while also exposing the philosophical illiteracy of the new atheists. Unlike the somewhat lacklustre efforts of these atheists, Hart’s book sparkles with erudite and eloquent expression, offering a challenge to the accepted perspective which goes largely unquestioned because it has become the intellectual water in which we are swimming that we now fail to see, or don’t want to see, let alone question, lest we’re then left high and dry amongst the ruins and rubble of our intellectual edifice. It is impossible to adequately do justice to this brilliant book; you will have to read it to enjoy the delightful demolition job, unless it presents too much of a challenge to an already fixed point of view that you wish to hold onto, and are not amenable to changing.

[@DRayL_]

@@normaodenthal8009 Just had to throw a little jab in there with your last line, I see. Wow are you theists arrogant. BTW, I'm agnostic. But, I would lean more towards atheism. I asked a simple question about some key points. I'm not going to read this book....which is why I asked for key points. Why? Because if some of these key points are what I think they might be, I'll have saved myself money [buying the book] and time [if the arguments have already been addressed].

[@tj6544]

I watched the whole thing waiting to hear his main argument for becoming a Christian so I can consider it. But i did not hear it. Anyone with a time stamp of his main argument for converting to christianity.

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

Watch harder.

[@20july1944]

Are you an atheist or of a different faith?

[@20july1944]

​@tito perez Are you an atheist? Are you suggesting theists are insane?

[@ramaraksha01]

It's the reward - these fools think God is some sort of Sugar Daddy, a Putin, Saddam - down on their knees, they beg & grovel, swear loyalty to him only and no one else and pleased, he will GIVE them a life of comfort for eternity I keep asking - what do you DO in Heaven? Any work? Can you describe a DAY in Heaven? They run away from such questions Death Cults really - which is why they had to put in an injunction against suicide

[@razoo282]

You saved me from expressing the same thought. I would also be interested in hearing what he considered persuasive evidence.

[@grantbartley483]

The real reason Dawkins won't debate WLC is because he's afraid, IMO

[@LASLAY13]

I respect your opinion

[@anthonyaduhene]

It would be catastrophic for Dawkins CV

[@mystery6411]

@@anthonyaduhene Yeah because it would be a big L

[@pwoods100]

Yeah, afraid of a guy who has been regurgitating the same arguments for decades. I think not.

[@grantbartley483]

@@pwoods100 How old the arguments are is irrelevant to anything. I bet you can't specify any of them anyway.

[@lulurosenkrantz3720]

Does Dawkins belief in aliens also require evidence ?

[@hhmaster789]

Dawkins believes in oxygen

[@revolucionar100]

The benefit of Christianity was that any pantheistic notions that adore nature itself are alien to it, and God is separated from his Creation (transcendence). As a result, things work according to the independent laws that the rational personal Creator put into them, and these laws are open to scrutiny by human reason. In other words, Christianity enabled the emergence of systematic scientific research by depersonalizing nature.

[@cpt.kimintuitiondemon]

Maybe the rise of systematic scientific research enabled christianity ?

[@thegreatcornholio7255]

@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon Uh no, read the history of the Scientific Method, and every single one of the founders of it were from a very particular branch of Christianity that had a view of Natural Theology and teleology, and that if God exists, God is an intelligent creator (as opposed to some mindless abstract creator) of all that exists, the motion of planets, the laws that describe them, mathematics etc. They strongly believed that if a mind ordered the universe, they predicted it could be intelligibly explained and understood, as opposed to pure chaos. They seem to have been correct.

[@cpt.kimintuitiondemon]

@@thegreatcornholio7255 At what time in history are you placing the founders of the scientific method ?

[@WhereWhatHuh]

@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon Roger Bacon is generally considered the first true scientist. 1219-1292.

[@outside1the1box1]

Indeed. What most naysayers don't realise is that they owe a huge debt to Christianity. Life would be much less developed in the West, without many modern helps, if not for our Christian Heritage. A book which illustrates this well is 'The book that made your world,' by Vishal Mangalwadi.

[@ldeanonmolina4077]

Glory to God our Lord Jesus Christ! 🙏❤️✝️🩸🔥🙌