'Why I Hold the LINE on the TRANS DEBATE!' - Kellie-Jay Keen

Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) is one of the most controversial voices in the Gender Critical movement. This is - therefore - one of my most controversial episodes. But a very important one.
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[@julesvis]

My favourite quote of KJK "I'm not a Vet but I know what a dog is " priceless !

[@MarciaMatthews]

And the way her voice rang out in the swimming pool enclosure.

[@richardrahl2685]

EPIC!

[@jonsmum5552]

@@MarciaMatthewsAnd he heard her. 😂

[@ce-ce-em]

Very brave woman. A real hero in my eyes. Just for speaking tje truth!

[@mickaparrish]

She's not just fighting for women she's fighting for decency, ALL right thinking people must back kellie all the way.

[@mikeadams8027]

It started with gays wanting to marry. I had no problem with that but I have a problem with sex in front of kids in "Pride" parades. yes. it happened. I would not want a male or a female either to dance in front of kids in a library. If you are interested in READING to kids, why do you have to dress up to do it? Oh, it is really not about the kids, it is about you, right?

[@patsyroberts3967]

So why did she get so few votes in the election?

[@bigvern3487]

Never surrender and don’t give any ground.

[@benshithero3037]

What's that, instructions how to die?

[@sbeasley1785]

Kellie is a REAL woman with a REAL BRAIN.

[@w.urlitzer1869]

REALly?

[@PastaSauce.]

Remember when she tried to run as MP and flopped? 😂😂😂😂

[@kelleygreengrass]

​@PastaSauce. Remember when some loser on KZbin who's done nothing with their life felt the need to attack women for being against rape.culture? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@PastaSauce.]

@@kelleygreengrass oh bore off.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@PastaSauce. do you even realise how hard it is to run as an MP with a fledgling party and win? It took the legendary Nigel Farage about 10 years, and he earned it. Kellie’s party served as a protest/cause. I don’t think she ever expected to win straight off the bat nor claimed she would.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

Exactly. Calling them she her, a type of woman, to be kind- is how we got into this mess.

[@fretbuzz59]

Well, yes and no. There used to be a very small percentage of people who transitioned to living as the opposite sex. It was acknowledged as a mental problem, and the numbers were so small that it was easy to accommodate them without it affecting the lives of most people. But the rise of gender ideology and the ridiculous notion that gender is a spectrum and so on, and the cause being aggressively advanced by advocacy groups, means it now has real consequences for many others. In the end it will backfire on them.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@fretbuzz59 there is absolutely no such thing as living as the opposite sex.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@fretbuzz59 if you want to posit that a male can live as female, or vice versa, the onus is on you to explain how. Female is not castrated male on estrogen wearing his best twinset.

[@fretbuzz59]

@@SheridanM-dc1nk Of course there is. There's no such thing as BEING the opposite sex. But lots of people have lived as the opposite sex. Some--perhaps most--have undergone medical treatments/procedures to try to take on certain characteristics. Obviously they haven't changed genders; it's a pretense.

[@kelleygreengrass]

​​@@fretbuzz59have lived sexist pantomimes of how they thought the other sex lived, you mean.

[@simonhadley8829]

She makes a solid argumentative point. "Please define trans rights."

[@randombsgo4367]

what a woman 😍

[@PastaSauce.]

Is she really a woman? Looks a bit manly to me

[@MrsW-o6w]

Kellie-Jay is the person who must be recognised for all her hard work. She is the hero.

[@PastaSauce.]

A hero to losers

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@PastaSauce. found the AGP!

[@PastaSauce.]

@@SheridanM-dc1nk Speak English

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@PastaSauce. I spoke in perfect English, it’s not my fault you don’t know what acronyms are.

[@janmargaret7972]

I really admire her. Such a determined lady.

[@sammemrys8195]

Neither medication nor surgery can change biological reality.

[@danielcarlsen9228]

Medication changes biology, but I know you refer to sex.

[@loulasher]

​@@danielcarlsen9228 does it? It takes advantage of biochemistry but it doesn't change it.

[@danielcarlsen9228]

@@loulasher It changes levels of chemicals in your blood stream, alters gene expression, how your cells operate, what they produce, how much and so on.

[@Johhubrauva]

@@danielcarlsen9228you can eat chicken all day but will you start clucking and laying eggs?

[@danielcarlsen9228]

@@Johhubrauva What does that have to do with anything? Hormones have targets in the human body on which they can exercise effect and change outcome. Eggs are just nutrition.

[@Wendyj55]

She's just been excluded from her GP practice because she objected to NHS staff sporting ideological messages. This was just yesterday.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

England's NHS is, as they say there, *not fit for purpose* .

[@mollyangel8966]

The rage was palpable in the live stream yesterday. You can say this is just a badge, NO, it's grooming in the biblical sense. People need to know that this is to protect women and children, end of 💟

[@not_ever]

@@mollyangel8966 If she directed any of that rage towards the NHS staff then I have no sympathy for her.

[@mollyangel8966]

@@not_ever she didn't. So you're okay now we have cleared that up for you.

[@not_ever]

@@mollyangel8966 Is this the royal we? Where you there? I said "if" because I wasn't there and don't know.

[@susanmartin6834]

You cannot change chromosones

[@benshithero3037]

Wow, sounds just so scientific. Interestingly, the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis is genetically sexually dimorphic

[@DK-yq5nx]

Kellie is a hero. Behind her 100%.

[@MalikontheMove]

As a biologist: 2 Categories in Humans (Almost 100%, Exceptions are genetic mutations) Fact Level 1: Chromosome based. XX = Female and XY = Male. Fact Level 2: Gender. "Wording/language" linked to Sex i.e. Woman (Adult Human Female) Man (Adult Human Male). Fact Level 3: Gender Presentation: Clothing, Body-mass (level of training), Makeup, Styling etc This is choice and as such a "social construct". In 4th place is Gender Identity. Not factual but based on feelings Can't change Sex therefore can't change Gender, ergo no such thing as Transgender. So called Transgenders are therefore "Trans-identifying Man" or "Trans-identifying Woman"

[@PastaSauce.]

Fell asleep after your first sentence.

[@loulasher]

​@@PastaSauce.You might be an npc from Idiocracy.

[@Showbizboy]

@@PastaSauce. what, you mean you didn’t like the truth!

[@LeftUgee-re6py]

KJK, Legend !

[@acc426]

Kellie-Jay’s interview on Triggernometry is the first one I watched on the channel and how I discovered it. Kellie-Jay definitely changed my perception on the subject, I was so impressed with how she constructed and delivered her arguments.

[@angelmessenger8240]

I remember reading about people with issues and what the root of them were. It was a psychologist describing interviewing people in high control prisons. It seemed that what happened to trigger them appeared to occur before they were 7 years old. Interesting. :/

[@Gingerblaze]

Tragic.

[@david1731048]

"Can you name me psychological condition that is treated by surgically removing healthy body parts?" Always a great question for trans activists.

[@notreal-duh]

that’s the treatment standard for dysphoria across the board, not just gender dysphoria. it’s also one of the treatments for BIID

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@notreal-duh no it isn’t. You’d have to find some rogue quack to remove your arms or blind you to “treat” BIID. It’s not celebrated and feted as “body affirming care” like the gender lunacy is.

[@nacho-mammy]

@@notreal-duhnot in places like sweden

[@notreal-duh]

@@nacho-mammy tf are you talking about?

[@david1731048]

@@notreal-duh so you think the NHS should fund limb removal for people with body dysmorphia who believe they are amputees? We should remove the sight of people who believe they should be blind?

[@MarciaMatthews]

These are interesting times, going from Tiberius to Caligula. I’ll be back when the world comes to its senses.

[@louiseb9416]

Research states people have differing levels of satisfaction post-plastic surgery depending on their expectations. Those who expect to be treated differently/occupy a different social role after surgery are much less happy afterwards than people who just wanted a smaller nose. Transgender people are mostly in that category of those with expectations expectations that others will see them differently and so have poor outcomes. This should be discussed with patients before they have surgery that's very invasive.

[@PRINCESS-zz3wq]

We need to stop going along with. Stop being nice. I know you it can be uncomfortable, especially when you meet a trans identifying person seems police and nice. You want to be nice too. Im tired of being of being too nice. Im a lesbian so some of yall know, i pay a price by being honest. Its infuriating i risk being SILENCED and not welcomed in what is supposed to be GAY spaces for honestly but it is what it is.

[@PastaSauce.]

So basically we just need to become A*rseholes like you then. Great advice 👍

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

That trans guy in the thumbnail has the Habsburg jaw.😮

[@littleogeechee223]

😂😂😂😂😂😂I was just thinking the same thing! He looks like Charles II of Spain!!

[@MajesticJoshua]

Ten years ago, I would have been extremely against Kellie-Jay Keen. While I am still willing to compromise on some things and Kellie-Jay is not, my opinions are becoming more and more in line with hers.

[@xenacats]

that's how it goes 🙂

[@CrystalShadow]

The consequences of going along pretending are very serious now. We are fighting for our basic rights again.

[@femalism1715]

There is only Ultra. Brava Kellie-Jay. Thank you for standing for women, and #LWS

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Excellent clip! For data on women who left these fetish-obsessed men, YT channel in the handle name here. 61 and counting trans widows' experiences.

[@rotbot4u]

I LOVE HER ! thanks for having her

[@creators10]

Autogynephilia (derived from Greek for "love of oneself as a woman" is a term coined by American-Canadian sexologist Ray Blanchard for "a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female", intending for the term to refer to "the full gamut of erotically arousing cross-gender behaviours and fantasies". As a 73 year old Autogynephilic (a ridiculously highfalutin psychobabble name) and fetishist I have never felt any desire to mutilate my body into the semblance of a womans. I have a pretty clear idea why my sexuality developed in this way, growing up without affection or any expressions of love, like hugging, and, come puberty, was deeply sexually confused for many years. The drive to cross dress and be turned on by that was an immense feeling of self pleasure in a hostile world and an intimate expression and focus of my innate sex drive. I had no desire to be female and without a penis and male orgasm I can't imagine what the point would have been. I had Trans friends and would never have dreamed of going through what they went through to transition. Plus, at 73, whilst I have lost the ability to have an erection, I still get turned on as a whole mind and body experience and my ability to fantasise is stronger in old age than ever before, yet I remain comfortable and happy with being a man and having a fiercely private and personal sexual identity. It's the ultimate consensual experience with ones inner self and which is no one else's business. Family and friends know about it as a thing and a significant part of me, but no more than that, the details are private and personal.

[@jujutrini8412]

It is rather odd that many people today seem to think that people should go around telling all and sundry about their fetishes. Why on earth would a complete stranger need to know this (or be in the least bit interested) if they are not embarking on an intimate relationship with another person? I don’t really get it.

[@hydraxisfrimon9785]

Exactly that, it is a highly personal thing that practiced in the privacy of one's own home keeps it contained, discreet and one's own business, for those living by themself. It becomes more complicated in a household of other people, and no-one should expect others to fall into line in order to further their own fetishistic ideas. This is always a source of relationship schism sooner or later and makes for extremely difficult dynamics, especially when children are involved. Your description of yourself as a child, lonely and without physical contact or comfort, is so common in the profile of people who develop this particular need, possibly why it occurs often in those sent off to board in single-sex schools at a very young age.

[@Gingerblaze]

Does this sexual proclivity lead you to appear in public presenting as your feminine self? To use womens private spaces, changerooms? Toilets? Etc?

[@priscillaroberts7945]

Blimey.

[@yvehooson9262]

@creators10 thank you for explaining that, and brave of you to be so honest in the online world (where people can be brutal whilst hiding behind a keyboard). I am all for people being themselves as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't have a problem with anyone Trans or with the majority of fetishes either, practiced alone or with consenting partners...(how is it any of my business?) but the Trans Movement seems to have been hijacked by some very vocal Incel-like outspoken Misogynists who are hell bent on spreading hatred toward women - whilst claiming they desire nothing more than to live their life AS women and be accepted as such. I sense Bull sh*t, and I do not understand why the community as a whole is standing for it when they must know it will lead to a backlash. Unfortunately, at that point I imagine the people stirring up the hate will suddenly ditch the lipstick, unfurl their penis's and scuttle off back into the male locker room.

[@femalism1715]

It is so very simple. There are two sexes. The end.

[@PastaSauce.]

What about intersex then?

[@Summer21.]

Intersex people are still either male or female.

[@Johhubrauva]

@@PastaSauce.still one or the other

[@VGPorage]

The only look altaring thing I would ever reccomend anyone is working out and eating healthier. Even for smaller thing like a nose job I would still always reccomend learning to embrace what nature has given you. Well at least outside of rare cases when it's due to an actual disease but thats the exception.

[@janet3782]

Love you Kellie. Keep up the amazing work advocating for women and children xx

[@PhilMacVee]

I don't see KJK as an heretic but as a realist. I would like to ask, "How many women/girls who "transitioned" under the surgeon's knife can say that their "downstairs" phalloplasty procedure was everything they had expected and the outcome was as promised? I hope for a future monumental class action against providers and their enablers for ruining their female lives." or is that heresy?

[@MarciaMatthews]

I like you when you’re angry! I printed out a transcript of the takedown on Owen Jones. 😂😂😂

[@notaclue822]

I must find that. How long ago?

[@DutchJoan]

What broke me recently is a conversation with a transgender man. He said to me that when it comes to an intimate partner he would fall in love with another man. In my brain I was like, but why did you become a man then? What part of a man are you? At that point his transition didn't make sense. Until I realised that he has a gay brother, and his brother has found his love. I don't know, it's just my thought that maybe subconsciously he thought he could find love as a man when he couldn't as a woman. Or maybe that the gay men pool will be more accepting than the straight men pool. It made me question the whole idea of gender dysphoria as a medical diagnosis and it shook me. I see it as an excrescence of the idea of the malleability of life.

[@mollyangel8966]

Good point. I go in circles of thought as to what this is all about. It always comes to mental health for me and not in a way that demeans, we all have our crosses to bear, it is easy to be confused in a sick society or if you have been in a situation you don't understand...that's my thoughts ❤

[@caissa222]

It makes it very confusing when you refer to a woman pretending to be a man as a he or a man.

[@DutchJoan]

@@caissa222 I've been saying 'he' for quite a few years. It isn't easy to break the habit. And up until recently I fully accepted this person truly was a man. Surgeries included, the whole shebang, which makes it difficult to say 'she'.

[@connor5669]

Have you considered that people's motivations for transition are not inherently sexual and that he happened to be attracted to men?

[@DutchJoan]

@@connor5669 I have considered a lot. And the question is indeed: why? How is this different from people like Oli London and how is this helpful? The point is that I don't know what to call this sexuality because it isn't homosexual. For someone who is born female it is impossible to experience male sexuality and vice versa. The original attraction is heterosexual, but no heterosexual man will be attracted to a transgender man. Likewise homosexual men aren't all that attracted to transgender men. A transgender male body may look somewhat similar like a biological male body, but it will never function alike. Especially sexually. It is nuts!

[@littleogeechee223]

Would love to see Kellie be PM one day!

[@scottanthony6269]

The Irish are never boring lol

[@kelleygreengrass]

They've become boring as of late

[@scottanthony6269]

@@kelleygreengrass how have they become boring of late !?

[@loulasher]

​@@kelleygreengrasshow so?

[@jasonwolfe5787]

​@@scottanthony6269 cucks but I believe they will over come

[@BlueFish-g5u]

Why is a grown man being so 'disingenuous' about fetish? This pretending ignorance is infantilising.

[@suzanneportch113]

Thisnjust stopped rather than finished...or is there a part 2 somewhere?

[@Dizzycow-Tina]

Kellie you are amazing … keep up the hard work 💖💖💖

[@connie_d]

shame some people might not have noticed that "skimmed" comment

[@samezidrovibes]

Grateful for KJK!

[@jannetteberends8730]

The first sentence of that woman told me already everything I need to know!

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

The story about a woman touching someone with her feet is fascinating. That's a remarkably direct cause and effect.

[@mikeford1273]

Good on you Kellie!.

[@samsonlovesyou]

The first migrants (we know about) to Britain were Iberian. They were the Celts and pre-Celts coming out of Iberia (look up "Celtiberian"). So there's a good chance you can trace your lineage back to the first/prehistoric Britons.

[@alanthecat59]

❤

[@theblackhand1]

That thumbnail should come with a trigger warning ⚠️

[@scouticuss2121]

The last sentence says it all.

[@brockreynolds870]

Many people have said he looks like a young Hugh Grant. I disagree. He looks much BETTER.

[@mattypallaristhedoomking5691]

This is a repost. I saw it a while back.

[@Sairfecht]

5% - skimmed milk man. She’s smart.

[@warwickpayne3338]

Only the Lord Jesus Christ can change these people's hearts and minds.

[@BoomerTelly]

I think there's a problem with perception, because for the happiest trans people, like me, we're just living our ordinary lives. We have zero desire to ruin that with being a public figure, with activism etc. I pass completely as a man, I make 6 figures in a male dominated industry. I'm currently working on starting my own business and starting a family. I have no interest in trying to change people's minds. And in my mind, my transition is over. And it's been over for 17 years. I didn't want to be trans. And I don't identify as anything. Not trans. Not a woman. Not a man. I don't believe in gender identities. I'm a female with severe dysphoria that makes me suffer without transition. Transition relieved that suffering. I don't even like taking a Tylenol when I have a headache. And I've been a vegetarian longer than I haven't. I'm a martial artist and very health conscious. I consider myself a female with a birth defect and gender identity disorder. Transition was the only thing to stop the pain. And really all I can do is minimize the pain and move on with my life. I really only had a practical decision to make. You can argue on the internet or call me whatever you like, but fact is I pass as a gorgeous man, I'm happy and probably make more money than you.

[@kelleygreengrass]

I doubt you pass as a gorgeous man lol Your play pretend doesn't mean anything

[@ApacheMagic]

‘Skimmed’ lol

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Flex that her husband is in the domesday book tbh 😲

[@ladyabstinencelevain8696]

hi i am a bialogical women a wk ago at the Drs i wont go into detail but the Dr thought i was trans even when i said im a biological woman he just didnt beleve me i have booked a smear test just so i haveit on my reasont medical history. should i take this further any advice from other uk women would be welcome

[@priscillaroberts7945]

@@ladyabstinencelevain8696 lie back, spread out and let the doctor figure it out for his or herself. Take a chaperone and record what happens .

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

​@@priscillaroberts7945but what if he's a dentist😅

[@priscillaroberts7945]

@@reapthewhirlwind4166 well dentists in the uk are as rare as hens teeth and very few offer smear tests. Of course he may not be a medic at all. He might be the bloke come to empty the bins.

[@kelleygreengrass]

I don't know if I believe you

[@priscillaroberts7945]

@@kelleygreengrass oh dear, but this is you tube, surely no one would stoop so low as to tell fibs? It just isn't the done thing. I need a strong cup of tea to abate the shock. Back soon.

[@sn4rff]

❤❤❤

[@ryanwatts1722]

No. now wear where at are u sitting down with posey parker referring to 😅

[@dcollins4679]

9:37 😂

[@MsMsmak]

Unfortunately science doesn't agree with her.

[@connor5669]

KJK just got banned from her doctor's office because she was so triggered by the trans receptionist that she started yelling. And she still thinks she's the victim

[@Gingerblaze]

No evidence of her "yelling" at anyone. Only of voicing her disagreement with opposite sex grammatcally incorrect pronoun badge use. Is anger no longer a valid emotional response to the imposition of a belief?

[@connor5669]

@@Gingerblaze lol. She recorded herself. KJK started raising her voice the moment that the doctor used he/him pronouns. KJK is the one attempting to impose her beliefs on others.

[@izoedyourbabydaddy7628]

She's afraid of transwoman im not surprised. I just wish she would accept that she's the one with the issue.

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

Anytime a woman speaks her mind men tend to interpret it as yelling or even witchcraft. How dare Kelly voice an opinion.

[@connor5669]

@@reapthewhirlwind4166 if a trans woman spoke like KJK did on that phone call, you would say she has "male aggression"

[@BritneyStinson]

she has no idea what she is talking about, just because youve read an article or two that confirms your biases does not mean its fact

[@benshithero3037]

Maybe she just feels she needs to stay within earshot range at about the issues, even if her views are a bit, Picasso?