Why I'm Done with the Alien Franchise

[@badger.phipps]

*Hey, guys. I have three quick things to say to both the trolls and supporters.* *1.* Remember that I do not "hate" Romulus and I'm very glad most people enjoy it so much. If you like it, then this is your franchise now. Have fun! *2.* I recently lost a good friend of mine in a motorcycle crash. It was really hard working on this video whilst dealing with that, so thank you for the lovely comments. It was worth all of the work to read them! *3.* I want to thank the trolls for all of the dehumanizing comments insulting me and my dead friend. I have no clue how a stranger not sharing your opinion on a movie can make you react that way, but I'm grateful for you! Not only do you prove my point (when I said that the Alien fanbase has become toxic like the Star Wars fanbase), but you're also helping my algorithm. *Please keep hating!* 😎

[@katiew3022]

I'm sorry for your friend. It's vile that people would use that against you over an opinion on movies x

[@racenturtlez]

@@badger.phipps plenty of people you've labeled trolls (some who seem to just disagree with you) have had their own loved ones die on them, yet have felt no need to bring up those who've passed away while talking online about a science fiction movie franchise. I'm think your friend would likely not appreciate having their business injected into these youtube comments, because I know all of those I've lost would also not want this. That said, I'm sorry for your loss. It sounds like it was a really sudden and painful surprise. But assuming that these "trolls" haven't had even more personal losses than you have with your friend here is just wrong. Some people have just lost loved ones who were hoping to survive long enough to catch the latest Alien flick but didn't. As your own personal losses pile up over the coming years, I hope they teach you, as mine taught me, that reality is too bleak to be overly cynical about the make-believe.

[@badger.phipps]

​@@racenturtlez Interesting points. For the record, the people I've labeled "trolls" are not "some who seem to just disagree", they directly made fun of my dead friend and I had to delete some of those comments. I have no issues with people disagreeing with me (hence why I'm not labelling you a troll). But I appreciate you taking the time to say all of that. Maybe you're right about me bringing it up, maybe you're wrong. Either way, I'm still learning what to publicly share and what not to. I'll get there in the end. This is still a small channel, after all. Thank you for your thoughts. They challenged me and inspired self-reflection (which is more than most comments on the make-believe do).

[@racenturtlez]

@@badger.phipps absolutely f*ck those people, they've either not yet experienced what you have and will eventually regret their behavior or are truly depraved. i'm sorry for you having to deal with them and for my mistaking who you're writing off as trolls. i looked through and found some of these comments and yeah wow, sincerely my bad there. but, also sincerely, maybe give romulus another chance! i personally found watching it immediately after rewatching alien resurrection to be interesting. it's obviously no alien/aliens (btw any thoughts on the aliens AI-enhanced 4k release?) but I think it's fun, albeit with flaws.

[@racenturtlez]

@@badger.phipps I've attempted to reply back here but I think my colorful language I had for those people harassing you for your loss made youtube auto-delete them. In short f those people, they'll regret their behavior one day or are truly depraved. I'm sorry you've had to deal with them and am sorry I was mistaken on who you've written off as trolls. I sincerely hope you've got some better times ahead. I also hope you'll one day give alien romulus, and this franchise, another chance (watching it right after rewatching resurrection was a particularly good time)

[@seanmeadows129]

For me the Alien series stops at 3. 1& 2 are awesome and have never been bettered. 3 I like because it does look like it fits with 1 & 2 , I really love its environment however it is greatly flawed. I have never understood how anyone could proceed with the story when there was no way an egg could be on the Sulaco after the way Aliens ends. Every film after 3 I left the cinema in a foul mood with the rubbish I had paid to watch. After 3 every film is not really the Alien but the dna experiments of scientists. I just don't want to bother with Alien films anymore. Maybe we might get better in the future but I doubt it.

[@enocescalona]

Am sorry about the passed away buddy. I hope you feeling better now. Reviews like these make me wonder if Ridley is genuinely a hack by this point. Him saying "more interesting," when the more "interesting" aspect by his warped standard is that the Aliens aren't alien anymore. They are indirectly made by mankind. That kills the mystique. Now by his ideas, the Xeno is basically a Resident Evil bioweapon. Unrelated, but i really hope you can play and review the Thing video game remaster. I am excited to see your thoughts as i loved, loved your review of the original, unpatched version. I couldn't ask further as YT keeps deleting my comments on your Thing review, but i recommend looking at NightDive's videos on the Thing game remaster. Like your thoughts on the game team being ambivalent about redoing the infection system.

[@badger.phipps]

Bloody wonderful points! Thank you for the candid comment. Also, I really appreciate the kind words on that video. I will absolutely do a review of the remaster!! :D

[@enocescalona]

​@@badger.phipps i am uncertain if you'd be able to see this message, but i genuinely wonder what you think about the Thing's game apparent controversy, so at least one or two people on the discord of the ND Studios have said it should have been remade from the infection aspect. While i, encourage the game devs to allow people to be able to mod the game to do the version they want. I really hope you can do some digging around this aspect, as it seems to be what break or makes this Thing game.

[@badger.phipps]

@@enocescalona I've heard. i will see how i feel when playing it ;)

[@Spartan_803]

Handsome Squidward and his stupid soy sauce should stay far from the Alien franchise.

[@lautaroasis60]

I just wanted to say, i had never felt so represented in a video before this, the "its not canon to me, so it doesn't bother me" angle to Prometheus and Covenant; the "Didn't like them but through not thinking of them as canon i appreciated the themes and ideas"; thinking the black goo represents the writers and producers; reading the novelizations and realizing Ridley Scott lived long enough to become the villain; and the star wars comparison: everything I have felt and the way it changed 2 weeks or so ago, you have put into words in ways i just couldn't do it. The problem is, I have now become toxic after too many disappointments. Im 25, I watched Aliens when I was 5. Knowing I might go most of my life without a good alien movie straight up hurts. While I realized whats to come for the franchise, people were celebrating Romulus and ut really feels like someone celebrating during a funeral. But you reminded me of something I decided myself years ago and somehow forgot after Romulus. I feel dumb for forgetting it now when I had come to this conclusion at 17: I am the one watching, im the one consuming the products/stories, and I decide whats canon. Ridley can be disrespectful to James Cameron's story, and James to the concept of Aluens ever fighting Predators, but I can just ignore what I don't like and move on with only the good. No one can force me to watch Romulus or think any of it makes sense and no one will, there is no need to consider it ever again. I don't need a good alien movie, Cold Forge and Into Charybdis exist. Alien Phalanx exists. And more good novels and comics will be made sooner or later, definitely faster than a movie. Thanks for this. I think I can move on now.

[@badger.phipps]

Well...I am flattered. This is easily the kindest comment I've had in a long time. "People were celebrating Romulus and it really feels like someone celebrating during a funeral" - I wish I thought of that analogy when making the video, I would've used it 😎 I want to say something to you real quick. The past few week have been quite rough because a young friend of mine recently died in a motorbike crash. It's been quite hard to deal with that WHILST working on a long video like this. Going through all of that pain and effort to get a layered, candid comment like is BEYOND a reward for me. It was definitely worth the work to read your comment. Damn. I'm glad I could help you understand your own feelings and I'm sorry you feel just as crushed as I do. From the VERY bottom of my heart, thank you for the flattering words.

[@racenturtlez]

@@badger.phipps i'll go watch it a fourth time for you. objectively it's the best this franchise has been since Aliens. edit: i've watched it several times now and it has only gotten better, but if you're reading this in attempt to validate yourself being an ass to badger.phipps, you need to f off

[@richardtingler4798]

Keep crying 😢

[@lautaroasis60]

​​@@badger.phippsIm sorry for not replying sooner, yt literally hid this from me, as soon as i commented, it just disappeared (which is beyond annoying as i like to edit to correct mistakes) and i didn't get notifications until now. I hope everything is at least a bit better now about your friend. About Alien, at least Isolation now has a chance to have a good sequel. It's been confirmed. Now lets pray its as good or else Romulus would have spent my time in vain. Also its nice seeing a lot more of good comments since i watched this the last time. ❤

[@badger.phipps]

@@lautaroasis60 Bless you heart. thank you. And I will; post a review of Isolation sometime next year so stay tuned! I'll be going into detail about things most people seem to have skipped ;)

[@danielkinney3286]

Ridley is so pissed that Cameron made the Queen. He’s mad because his xenomorph was like a piranha and Cameron’s Queen is a great white shark 🦈 And we are all supposed to forget the shark exists and just be scared of the piranha. Fuckin Diva. And Ridley didn’t create the franchise like he claims. I won’t watch anything Scott is involved in anymore.

[@Hashpotato]

Amen. Can't stand his arrogance. The sooner he retires the better off cinema will be.

[@muppetmate5510]

At 28:37, you completely nailed it. Like, completely. Right on the head. I've never seen anyone make that comparison before. Star Wars lmfao Fantastic video, Badger.

[@badger.phipps]

That's wonderful to hear haha thank you!

[@Alex89484-c]

24:50 I laughed! :-) At any rate, good video! I agree with your opinions. Ridley Scott unfortunately seems to be one of those directors who hasn't improved with age, and it's clear he has no real interest in the Alien franchise per se. Rather, he seems obsessed with the concept of artificial intelligence, creationism and general science fiction, rather than anything that deals with "space horror".

[@badger.phipps]

Well, I'm glad I could make you laugh! Thanks for the support and for sharing your thoughts.

[@Laestrygonianz]

I agree with so much of this and your reasoning. Well put sir. Thanks for the content 👾

[@badger.phipps]

@@Laestrygonianz that’s very kind of you to say! Thank you 🙏

[@scottishgeekguy]

Quality video mate.... I kinda enjoyed romulus... And I reckon prometheus is a highly underrated movie (covenant less so).... I like the black goo evolution stuff in prometheus... But DO Not vibe with the ret conning done in Covenant. (I would like to see a conclusion to David's story tho....)

[@badger.phipps]

Thank you very much, Jimmy! I dig your thoughts. I'd like a conclusion too. SMH.

[@kiloomelow4269]

One of the few ppl who think about prometheus and covenant the way I do or see it. Prometheus is underrated minus having a few brain dead characters I appreciate what they were trying to do with giving more insight about the engineers and the black goo and what might of happened with the aliens on the particular planet etc.. Then covenant came along and had more stupid characters,making David the creator or playing a pivotal role in the creation of the aliens taking away the mystery and mystique of them and we got no more development or insight into the engineers also they killed shaw off screen to be experimented on. That movie could of destroyed the franchise and might still do because I was hoping they would acknowledge the black goo stuff slightly going forward and incorporate it into the universe better and discard the elements of covenant that really didn't work or took away the mystery of the aliens but once that fool ridley Scott is involved he will push this black goo more than the actual aliens. Another issue I have with ridley Scott is he hates the idea of the alien queen and any movie that he has been involved in he doesn't acknowledge the presence of the queen in the universe or I should say the queen doesn't exist once he is involved which is ridiculous because most of us were introduced into the alien universe through aliens and the queen is such a cool and bad ass addiction yet because one man doesn't like it, it's ignored...unbelievable. To add to the queen being sidelined by ridley Scott is in covenant its shown David made eggs without the queen,yes there was egg morphing in the first movie but again ridley tries to drive home no queen is needed by showing us David made his own eggs with no queen smh. Out of all the alien movies covenant is the worse,I hate that movies because it's the movie thay could and might kill this franchise if going forward events from that movie has to tie in to the grand story.. Because it's one thing to get a bad movie but when ideas or lore is introduced as cannon that was totally rejected by fans but now it's jus there going forward and has to be worked in..how are the movies going forward suppose to escape this

[@SmokeNGunsBBQ]

Ridley Scott smh. Insert John Hammond meme; "I really hate that man".

[@LUCKO2022]

First of all, Cameron is what brought us the Queen. In the original film there was a deleted scene that got put back in with the new cut of the film they did for 2010 that has Ripley find Dallas and Brett. Brett is almost turned completely into a egg with Dallas beginning the process. There was music cues meant to be in the first film like when Kane went into the egg chamber that hinted that is what happened to the rest of the Jockey crew got turned into eggs by the creature. But Ridley changed all the music and sounds that Jerry Goldsmith had specifically wrote for the original film around and that hint was lost and with the scene taken out it left room for Cameron to create the queen. 2nd, it was Alverez who decided to bring Iam Holm (his likeless anyway) back. He said it in many interviews. He said it was not fair David and Bishop got to come back but Ash never did. So it was him who decided to put Iam Holm likeness into the film. Apparently Ridely was kinda against it thinking it was morbid. But Alverz insisted apparently from the interviews I read.

[@badger.phipps]

Interesting thoughts, but I read VARIOUS sources stating that Ridley Scott was the one who forced Ian Holm into the film. Who knows. I could be wrong.

[@beestingza]

Turning a human (or other animal) into an egg has no precedent in nature. It doesn't make any sense. They can be used as a host of a parasite, in the way the face huggers work, but not to transmogrify the whole body into an egg-machine.

[@LUCKO2022]

@badger.phipps It was Alverz. There has been numerous video interviews where he said it wasn't fair that Bishop and David got to come back but Ash didn't. So he reached out to Holm estate and got them to put his likeness in Romulus.

[@badger.phipps]

@@LUCKO2022 I see. All of the info is so contradicting! But if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'm only human :P

[@SmokeNGunsBBQ]

Really sit and think about the Romulus story and its flow.. it's made for an ADHD generation. From one absurd scene to the next like a video game.

[@hendrsb33]

Late response here... this video just came up on my feed and I felt compelled to watch because I'm in agreement with your statement. Along with STAR WARS, ALIEN is one of my absolute favorite movies, and I'm not even a horror fan. I'm a sci-fi fan who was attracted by the art and concept. Hell, these movies inspired me to become a professional illustrator, they're both that pivotal in my life. But, after so many years, I feel as if I've outgrown these movies, like having favorite clothes I can longer fit. I keep them out of a desire to be able to fit them again but after a while I concede that's never going to happen and I have to toss them into the garbage or donate them to someone else. I will always treasure the original movies, but I see little reason to continue supporting Hollywood with my bucks if I keep feeling like I'm being played ad nauseum, walking out of theaters in disappointment and confusion. If something no longer serves me, I let it go. And about the trolls, I've been getting that too and I don't understand why people have to be that way.

[@badger.phipps]

Damn. I'm sorry you share my pain. But I love the analogy of comparing these flicks to clothes! Thank you for the kind words!

[@hendrsb33]

@@badger.phipps Actually, no need to be sorry. I'm constructively disappointed but not devastated by it. I think it's an inevitability that we give up what we've outgrown and I've been working on creating my own stories. I figure if I don't like what I've been seeing in movies, I'd better put up or shut up and create my own stories based on what I like to see. I'm not sure yet how I will release them or if I will. If I do, I would do it online. I think we've let personal creativity get away from us and we increasingly have to rely on the creativity of others. In this case, the movies we're seeing are what the filmmakers and producers think audiences want (fan service) or they give us what they like in a story and it doesn't satisfy us. Either way, many of us feel cheated and not everyone understands or are able to articulate why. They just know they feel cheated. I know I did. With each sequel, I felt I had lost Luke and Leia and Ripley and Indy and the Ghostbusters and all these other characters I've loved since childhood. But I do own copies of all the original movies that introduced them to me, so I go back to them occasionally to feel as least some of the original thrill I felt when I first saw them. I've come to understand filmmakers are human; they can't be expected to please everyone and the industry they work in is a powerful economic force that constantly has to feed itself from the movies they grind out. I've worked in comics, commercials, gaming and animation, so I very well have been there and understand what it's about. We can't all make movies, but I think we can learn to write and create in our own unique ways. I've finally come to terms with that having to be my path. So far, it ain't easy but it's been fun. What you and others do in the form of these videos is creativity in action, so I take heart from that. Thanks for putting this out, man! You seem like a guy who'd be cool to hang out in a coffee shop or a pub and talk with about movies for hours. Subscribed. P.S. Does anyone compliment you on your buttery James Earl Jones (R.I.P.) / Barry White voice? I sat through the whole video wondering that!

[@badger.phipps]

​@@hendrsb33 What wonderful rhetoric! Fantastic, candid way of putting that! I myself write my own stories too, hence why I study films and stories on this channel. Helps me improve! Thanks again for the kind words and for subbing! And yes, I get comments on my voice quite a lot, mainly on my voice acting videos on here. 😝

[@petervlcko4858]

I think that alien franchise should go similar direction like scorn game did. That would be better to see.

[@hazzanafrika]

I told myself the same thing!

[@calypsis]

Hi, so I'm quite new to the franchise but I wanted to say, I took it as the black "goo" substance in Romulus, as well as the offspring looking vaguely engineer-like, was more of a "call back" to Prometheus in the same sense that the film also referred back to the original 4 films as well, whether it be dialog or visuals. There's even the "save" phones from Isolation on the wall. Something tells me Romulus was never intended to be a permanent hitch to the Alien canon, but more of a "let's take the most memorable aspects of the previous films and intertwine them into one while giving the audience one hell of a thrill ride". Equal balance of nostalgia and newness. I feel it was a pretty good film as it is. I *fully* understand your frustration with not just returning to franchise roots and answering long standing questions, I myself feel this way about my favorite franchise Tomb Raider, constantly getting rebooted into something worse every 3 games. But I think there's enough incentive behind Romulus to sense that it was just supposed to be a fun Alien film and that's all. Lore aside, it really did go back to its roots and played out what we all wanted to see, a crew on a spaceship getting picked off by a xeno lol. Of course there are right and wrong ways to do it, but there's so much effort behind keeping the retro-futuristic tech aesthetic, and the effort that went into using practical effects. As a new viewer, it holds up as the most similar to the original, despite Ripley not being there. The formula and setting feels quite proper for the franchise. Just wanted to throw my few pennies out there to see how you feel about my views of it. But really great video, thank you for taking the time to discuss the topic and pointing out the very obvious issues in timeline and canon consistency!

[@badger.phipps]

Wonderful comment, thank you! Yes, I heard about the "save" phones from Isolation. I think that detail is mad, considering how much I love that game! I agree that the practical effects and retro look were wonderful! And although I see where you're coming from, I definitely can't see the offspring as just a "call back". All the people behind the scenes have explained it and it just makes no sense to me. But I'm glad you enjoyed the movie so much and stuck with the video! Much appreciated! PS Interesting comparison to Tomb Raider!

[@SmokeNGunsBBQ]

All you need to know is the only movies that exist are Alien and Aliens. Period. Paragraph.

[@eleanortalbot1316]

Great analysis. As always, your insight is well thought out and fairly reviewed. Great job!

[@badger.phipps]

Thank you, Eleanor. As per usual, you are bloody lovely!

[@RageMachete]

The ending of this film was so disappointing. It didn’t feel like a Fede Alvarez film. The ash variant should have been a random actor that scurried away after he jump scared rain. He should have been the main antagonist that splits them up and manipulates Andy into “upgrading” himself. Would have made the film more creepy if the android was locking some doors and opening others leading them straight down to the hive.

[@badger.phipps]

That...is a bloody good idea. Damn. You made me even more annoyed at the film lol I try not to encourage the "everyone is an expert" notion, but bloody hell, your simple idea is so much better than what we got lol Thanks for the comment, bud!

[@RageMachete]

@@badger.phipps no problem bro! Much love from the states!

[@badger.phipps]

@@RageMachete YAY! My vids have reached across the pond! 🤗woop!

[@stuarth6153]

I like the xenomorph how it is in parts 1-4. Just an independent species that requires a host. Alien 3 did something interesting with the host being a dog/ox however it still looked (mostly) and acted like a xenomorph. The introduction of the goo and hybrids offsprings and engineers the franchise lost me. Most of romulus was okay I got excited seeing wreckage of nostromo and seeing big chap but then nothing was done with that on film. The ending made my eyes roll. I completely agree with everything you bring up I'm 100% on the same boat.

[@betasnail3034]

Epic analysis, Mr. Badger.

[@badger.phipps]

Nuff love, buddy!

[@tommygunner222]

Savage man making a meal out of the Alien movies. 🍽 I love a Badger rant🤣 Savage

[@badger.phipps]

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[@tampakmurni]

I completely agree with a lot of what you said. But I am also one to consider the "we want xenomorphs" critique of prometheus is an oversimplification of the real problems. It also got way too much attention, overshadowing everything else. Prometheus was a problem because there is barely any of the DNA from the originals. The tech and visuals feels too different, the retconned space jockey, the missing biomechanical aesthetics, the overall lore building turned a cosmic horror into alien fantasy cliches (grey-aliens angry at humans for destroying nature etc). This lead to covenant, where none of these problems are given attention. Instead they slap in xenomorphs in the sequel, and applied the problems I mentioned on them. (I laughed when I saw a behind the scene video where the VFX team of Covenant told Adam Savage that the organic design of the xenomorph is more "evolved". Seriously? the biomechanical aesthetic that inspired countless copycats and became a staple in anime creature designs, is visually less evolved? Is this Ridley's "instruction" or just the VFX team misunderstanding of the franchise?

[@badger.phipps]

A powerful comment indeed! Respect for the passion and respect for the support!

[@LUCKO2022]

The problem with Prometheus is that it was not intended to be part of the Alien series. It was meant to take place in the same universe but be a completely side series spin off. It was the studio that messed with the film demanding it connect to Alien and that is why it is a mess. Then when it when it came time for the sequel the studio really stepped in and made it more of a Alien film. If they would have let Ridley do what he wanted it would have turned out so much better. But it was the studios dime and boardroom exec on think with numbers and aren't creatives.

[@LukeLovesRose]

I will never understand the blind praise im hearing for Romulus. Everyone is praising Romulus for exact same issues that they constantly trash Prometheus and Covenant. The characters are flat and forgettable. The writing for them is nonexistent most of the time. The acting is completely dispassionate... or talentless, however you want to look at it. I can remember Ripley obviously, Newt, Hicks, Parker, Dallas, Hudson, Lambert, Vasquez, Ash and Bishop. I can even remember Clemens, Morris and 85, i LOATHE Alien 3. I can remember Call and Johner from Resurrection. I can remember Shaw, Vickers, Daniels and Tennessee. But i cant remember any of the s*** characters in Romulus. The fan service is completely inappropriate for a serious Alien film. Not even Resurrection stooped so low as to directly quote better, better movies in the franchise. As a fan, the "Get away from her you b****" line was completely insulting. How or why would they try to cheapen Ripleys glorious moment in Aliens?? This is how i rank the franchise: Aliens 10/10 Alien 9.5/10 Prometheus 8/10 Alien Covenant 7/10 Alien Resurrection 6.5/10 AVP 6/10 Alien Romulus 6/10 Alien 3 2/10 AVP: Requiem 1/10

[@kiloomelow4269]

Aliens 10/10(one of my favorite movies ever) Alien 9.5/10 Alien 3 7.5/10(killing hicks and newt was such a bad idea but Alien 3 has aged wel for me and appreciate more especially knowing studio interference held it back from being better) Romulus 7/10(besides the ending and black goo reminder really enjoyed the movie and adds to the franchise) Prometheus 6.5/10(would be higher if some of the characters wasn't written so stupid but I understood the new lore they brought in and it was intriguing) AvP 6/10(guilty pleasure) Resurrection 5/10(meh) Avp requiem 2/10(only saving grace is a badass predator and predalien everything else is total garbage) Alien covenant 0/10 (this movie almost killed the franchise with David most likely being the creator of the aliens,killing shaw,characters being overly stupid,this movie destroyed ALOT of the mystery and mystique the franchise had because with ridley Scott he hates the idea if the alien queen so he keeps trying to insert into the lore the queen isn't relevant because David made the eggs) So because of how covenant set the franchise back and may still destroy it because now romulus director was mandated most likely to incorporate the black goo nonesense to link to prometheus(don't mind much) but covenant jus went off the rails!!!

[@Hashpotato]

Resurrection is the third best Alien film. From that take what you will

[@physicalmediaodyssey]

Great video, though it seems I did enjoy Alien: Romulus more than you 😂. Alien & Aliens are absolute classics. Alien 3, in particular the assembly cut, while back to basics in its approach I did enjoy it and think it made for an alright end to the trilogy. Everything after is a mess. Alien: Romulus started great, with some awesome world building, atmosphere and aesthetics serving as connective tissue to the first two films. The annoying things for me were repeating lines verbatim and copying scenes with reactions from a slight groan to WTF come the last act. Overall though I am quite forgiving of it and it brings the horror back. I’d love to see Machiko Noguchi from the AvP books/graphic novels make a live action debut if Fede pursues making a film of it.

[@badger.phipps]

Yeah, I didn't know about Machiko until you showed me her. So interesting. I'd like to see her too. I'd also be intrigued to see a Batman v Predator film lol Thank you for the kind words and candid comment!

[@ElectricGeek]

Great video 'big chap' 😂 great deep dive dissection of the lore and ridley scott impressions! lol Though you've ruined it for me now 😩 You've pointed out just how much of a mess they've got it in. Great comparison with the star wars sequel trilogy too 👌I think the black goo must have brought 'Palpy' back from the dead too 🤦🏻‍♂😂

[@badger.phipps]

"Palpy", you know 😆 I'm sorry I ruined it lol but sod it. Anyone who enjoys it can enjoy it for me. Thank you very much, Andy!

[@GoranKlintenheim]

Question: How do you “quit a franchise”? 🤷‍♂️ It’s not like quitting smoking or alcohol. That’s explainable how one would quit one of those things. Smoker will simply quit smoking, something they’re probably doing every day and just stop doing that. Drinker will just stop drinking. But when you quit the Alien-franchise, what does that mean? Stop watching the movies? Even the first two? Never watch them again? Never talk about them? Because they’re a part of the franchise you’re “quitting”… Or do you mean that you won’t watch any of the coming movies or the coming TV-series? Don’t know why, but I have a hard time believing that. For someone to make a video like this the love for the franchise has to be pretty strong. Even though some of the last movies failed you, I’m guessing you still have a lot of love for the franchise. And I have a hard time believing that someone that makes a video like this won’t watch the coming movies or the TV-series 🤷‍♂️ So I’m guessing you won’t quit the franchise. But save this comment and correct me if I’m wrong in a couple of years 👍

[@badger.phipps]

i appreciate the candid comment, sir. And you challenging me! 1. I meant that I will always love/rewatch the old stuff but I'm not interested in the future instalments. This franchise is for the real fans of Romulus etc and I'm very happy for them! It's not for me :) 2. As I stated toward the end of the video, I highly doubt I'll be checking out the future movies and TV shows. But if I ever do and I review them, it will only be out of morbid curiosity. My heart will not be in it. 3. You may doubt I won't watch the upcoming stuff, but trust me, I've done this before. I've barely touched new Star Wars stuff after Rise of Skywalker! Only watched Obi-Wan season one and never bothered with the other shows, or even the Solo movie. I'll most likely be the same with Alien (but I hope not!)

[@RoadRallyWales]

​@@badger.phipps 3. Watch Andor. It's the only good series to come out of Disney SW.

[@LUCKO2022]

You just stop watching the new films and stuff. I have done it with Star Wars. I refuse to touch anything past Return of the Jedi outside of Force Awakens (not because I wanted to with that film, I only saw it due to circumstances way beyond my control. It is a long story). There IS no sequel trilogy. Rogue One does not exist for me. Mandalorian, Ashoka, Obi Wan, Acolyte and anything else Disney does with it, I don't accept their existence and refuse to participate. I have had people try and get me to watch modern Star Wars and I refuse. There is 6 episodes and that is it. I don't even want to touch on Clone Wars either despite me having no choice but to accept their canon (as Lucas was involved with the show, sadly). I am done with Star Wars. Been done since 2005 when Episode 3 finished the saga.

[@GoranKlintenheim]

@@LUCKO2022 ​​⁠I get what you mean, but my point is: Since you like six of the movies in the franchise, you still like a majority of the movies that are included in the franchise. Therefor, if you’d say that you’re gonna quit the franchise, and the movies that you like are still in the franchise (and you’re gonna keep watching those) then I’m just saying that you can’t say that you quit the franchise. Then you’d be quitting the franchise entirely, and everything in it 🤷‍♂️

[@GoranKlintenheim]

@@badger.phipps I understand, and thank you for taking the time to explain 😊👍 Great video 🔥

[@totalmovierecall]

😂😂 *whispers* "then David didn't really create the fucking Xenomorph's did he" - that killed me haha. All fair points mate, but literally out of all of disney's content right now, for me there doing a good job with the alien and predator franchise. I thought they were going to be left to rot after disney bought the rights. Totally can see where your coming from here though, well explained video mate. The goo is poo. Great video mate 👍

[@muppetmate5510]

IKR. Mr Phipps can be a total knob and I love it 😅😅😅

[@badger.phipps]

Thank you, Ellis. Glad I could make you giggle. I agree that Disney nailed Predator, but for me, they're yet to impress me with Alien. Here's hoping!

[@badger.phipps]

@@muppetmate5510 Screw you 😜 fs haha

[@racenturtlez]

people who just call it "black goo" when it is clearly a synthetically generated accelerated recombinant DNA polymerase really ought to go retake their primary school biology 🤷‍♂️

[@totalmovierecall]

@@racenturtlez 😂... please tell me this was a joke?

[@benparker2522]

Solid analysis, I keep looking back to the alien life cycle, with longing for an internally consistent universe

[@badger.phipps]

🙏

[@Boxcar808]

I kind of agree with you...and then not, i don't think its wise to take any "franchise" too seriously. Romulus was a hoot...its head and shoulders above the brainless AvP trash.

[@Vaderduder]

It could be retconned that the engineers were not the creators but only paying homage to their deities, the space jockeys! Also, David only created his variant of the Xenomorph, not the same one we all know and love!

[@scallywag0088]

It gets even worse because the new Alien earth TV series coming next year takes place 30 before the original Alien 1979. It will also retcon both Prometheus and covenant apparently. They have totally dismantled the lore established in first and second classic movies. The idea of the xenomorph and fossilised alien on LV-426 origins being ancient, unknowable and mysterious added so much to the mythos and that is gone forever. RiP Alien franchise 1979-1986. Excellent video by the way and echoes my sentiments exactly. I am pretty much done with this franchise as well.

[@badger.phipps]

@@scallywag0088 thank you for the kind words and I’m sorry you share my pain! I won’t lie. If the show retcons Prometheus etc, I might have some hope for it lol We shall see ;)

[@scallywag0088]

@@badger.phipps a small glimmer of hope with covenant and Prometheus being jettisoned i agree. Can they just flush the black goo idea along with it? Oh and your very welcome by the way. 👍

[@badger.phipps]

@@scallywag0088 Yes. Yes, they can. They can DOUBLE flush, just to be on the safe side. With the strongest bleach known to man. Appreciate ya 🤠

[@kristopherjon6496]

I got two words for you: Damon Lindelof. I struggle to think of a screenwriter I despise more. Not because he’s universally horrible, but because he’s good at creating interesting concepts, and quite terrible at developing those concepts in a truly satisfying way. To me, his involvement, combined with Ridley Scott losing just about all of his edge, explains entirely how Prometheus shit the bed so badly, and how the subsequent attempts to make it make sense are totally hollow and fall flat. The original concept was never properly developed, so none of the retroactive explanations work. Edit: I do want to say, that despite the similarities, Romulus is a much, MUCH more competent film than Rise of Skywalker. However, your observation of the parallels is dead on, very eye opening.

[@badger.phipps]

I actually wish I mentioned him when talking about Prometheus. My issues with it were EXACTLY the same as my issues with Lost. Lindelof is good at starting mysteries with no clear direction in mind. Oh, well. Thank you for the kind words and YES, I totally agree that Romulus is more competent that RoS.

[@Boxcar808]

Slightly disagree, when you watch all the Prometheus documentary material, it was all Scott's show, he was leading all these writers in circles while simultaneously trying to design. There has to be a solid starting idea, Chariots of the Gods isnt it.

[@Endless_search_]

While not perfect, I still had a blast watching and enjoyed the movies despite the flaws. This includes Prometheus and covenant

[@Paul_Tambs]

What came first..the Queen or The Egg? 😅 I think they will move away from the black goo stuff in later movies. I do like the way they just cherry picked the parts that worked about the black goo from those prequels. (It's a substance that is pulled from the xenos that can change human dna) that's all it needs to be. I am nervous about this alien earth for the reasons you stated. Hopefully in the future they can pull you back but I totally get your problems with the franchise. Great video mate,was highly anticipating it and it didn't disappoint 👏

[@badger.phipps]

Appreciate the kind words, sir. I hope so too!

[@kilgoretrout413]

I couldn’t agree more- and yet I know I’ll keep going back for more like a sucker 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@badger.phipps]

😅 thank you lol

[@randallbesch2424]

The intelligent mutagen was used by the Engineers to design replacements for the black Xenomorphs who they failed at. Though not as weapons as adjustments. The Manu should have been untouched but I'm not writing this garbage and getting paid for it. They are. The material must be programmed before use and have limited effects instead of a horror trope. The last 3 films I ignore including the programmable mutagen.

[@leightonbate7516]

I have to say I really enjoyed it but understand it's not classic cinema like the first 2 or a bold experiment like 3 or weird like 4,at least it wasn't Prometheus which didn't know what it wanted to be and should have stuck to being what it started out as a direct Alien prequel,my main problem was with the Engineers.

[@r.babylon2885]

While I liked Romulus well enough, I can fully understand where you're standing. I had the same thing happen with Terminator. The best Terminator 3 is honestly the show Sarah Connor Chronicles. It's also how I feel about the majority of modern gaming. But, the brighter side of that, is that with the dissatisfaction you feel, you are ready to seek out new love and new franchises. You can boldly go enjoy independent media. This is your new enterprise.

[@badger.phipps]

Respect for that! That's exactly right! I haven't seen Sarah Connor Chronicles, but I will check it out one day. Even though I do enjoy T3 and Salvation, it all ends for me after T2. Out of curiosity, what modern games make you feel this way?

[@r.babylon2885]

@@badger.phipps It's difficult to explain exactly, but it started around the era of PS3 and X Box 360. Everything seemed to just be first person shooters. I had a harder time finding 2 things: engaging stories, and replayability. I love beat 'em ups, RPG's, and character action. But I find it difficult to enjoy first person shooters, with the exception of Borderlands 1&2, and Titanfall. But mostly, I think it's primarily the shift to online play only. Many of my best memories of gaming involved ordering pizza, drinking beer, and playing something all night with a friend.

[@badger.phipps]

@@r.babylon2885 I can dig that fully. Not entirely onboard with you, but I do get you. Alien Isolation was a brilliant first person game IMO.

[@r.babylon2885]

@@badger.phipps Sadly, I missed out on that one. Heard nothing but good things

[@badger.phipps]

@@r.babylon2885 It hasn't aged badly at all. Still just as good today. Promise. Check it if you don't mind a horror stealth game.

[@darknoob1894]

I have to agree on these takes. i remember when david said they where more ships and he studied the space engineers then that was just threw out the window 🤦🏻‍♂️i gave up after that😅 just alien's 1/2 will do me

[@badger.phipps]

@@darknoob1894 😅

[@clustermuck7992]

I used to love these recent movies, Badger. Unsubbing from you now. PSML! 🤕😂 I love how you used that Matrix clip at 16:25 whilst you give us the red pill. Great irony there. Was it intended?

[@badger.phipps]

No, it was not! But good spotting! I appreciate you watching that closely! :)

[@LukeLovesRose]

As far as the goo is concerned, its godlike in its ability to create. I take it you don't understand or like the monolith in 2001...? Its supposed to be ambiguous. Ambiguity can be a good thing, especiallyif youre going for more of a cerebral feel as opposed to a visceral feel. Sometimes leaving all of the answers to the audience is a good thing

[@Boxcar808]

Knowing Hawley's TV series work, I'm betting Alien Earth will be a quirky but effective series, he knows how to build characters and tension...I'm one of those weirdos who actually kind of loves Resurrection, mainly because it's such a mess, and the lab of Ripley horrors is worth the price of admission, let alone the crazy cast and very slimy Aliens. Jeunet at least had a fresh vision. The downside was the hybrid, much like in Romulus, is it's weakest moment...in fact i dont think ANYONE, in or outside comic books has EVER expanded the original Giger vision as effectively and convincingly as Cameron did with the Queen. The designs all lack a fundamental imagination, something Giger had in bucketloads. His art was never afraid to confront and astonish. That's the miracle of Alien, and something Hollywood is completely incapable of embracing...well apart from Cameron

[@aidanquinn2282]

I see what u mean with the disney comparison. Theres no point in scrapping everything the last movie set up but this franchise wasnt like disney at the time now it is but its harder to compare it to star wars. Star wars, they knew they wanted a trilogy that would come out pretty fast. The alien franchise was on the edge of being put on hypersleep after each movie came out and no one i know in real life talks much about alien. With each new entry it made me feel lucky the franchise was still relevant. I liked prometheus but even though it was pretty successful they tried to please the fans with covenant, a more run of the mill horror but i got excited to see what david would do, he was so fun to watch. The offspring was sopposed to evovle into an normal xeno but stopping at the offsping engineer form works for me. I would have a lot less excitement for the black goo if it turned full xeno. So it keeps it vague and it is a silly plot device that is getting old but i wouldnt mind if we got a bunch of answers and wrapped up the black goo saga once and for all or maybe they will just stop using it in future movies. Plus hickman is writing aliens vs avengers right now nd its pretty good so far. Theres no black goo so far, they're using queens.

[@beestingza]

When did the original Alien xenomorph come to be known as "Big Chap"? I love it, but I've never heard of it before. Was that some affectionate term for the African actor who played the monster?

[@Xenomorph.fan24]

I liked Romulus but I agree with your flaws but it didn’t make me frustrated or confused.

[@badger.phipps]

I'm really glad to hear :)

[@Xenomorph.fan24]

@@badger.phipps appreciate it

[@Xenomorph.fan24]

@@badger.phipps here’s how I would fix the franchise 1. Remove Prometheus, covenant, and ressurection 2. Have alien earth be a proper origin for the xenomorphs than what Prometheus was 3. Alien is fine nothing needs to be changed 4. Aliens is also in need of no changes 5. Have Romulus take place a few years after aliens with the queen in the movie alive and remove the black goo and the cgi ash model 6. Keep alien 3 expect have it be better and be a proper conclusion for the alien franchise.

[@badger.phipps]

@@Xenomorph.fan24 I agree with with all except Alien Earth origins. I much prefer the idea of them existing for thousands to millions of years - (hence the space jockey corpse). But I concur with the rest in every way!

[@Xenomorph.fan24]

@@badger.phippsmakes sense. I am still excited for alien earth I just hope that the black goo doesn’t return. Please god don’t let it return again.

[@kiloomelow4269]

Prometheus is underrated minus having a few brain dead characters I appreciate what they were trying to do with giving more insight about the engineers and the black goo and what might of happened with the aliens on the particular planet etc.. Then covenant came along and had more stupid characters,making David the creator or playing a pivotal role in the creation of the aliens taking away the mystery and mystique of them and we got no more development or insight into the engineers also they killed shaw off screen to be experimented on. That movie could of destroyed the franchise and might still do because I was hoping they would acknowledge the black goo stuff slightly going forward and incorporate it into the universe better and discard the elements of covenant that really didn't work or took away the mystery of the aliens but once that fool ridley Scott is involved he will push this black goo more than the actual aliens. Another issue I have with ridley Scott is he hates the idea of the alien queen and any movie that he has been involved in he doesn't acknowledge the presence of the queen in the universe or I should say the queen doesn't exist once he is involved which is ridiculous because most of us were introduced into the alien universe through aliens and the queen is such a cool and bad ass addiction yet because one man doesn't like it, it's ignored...unbelievable. To add to the queen being sidelined by ridley Scott is in covenant its shown David made eggs without the queen,yes there was egg morphing in the first movie but again ridley tries to drive home no queen is needed by showing us David made his own eggs with no queen smh. Out of all the alien movies covenant is the worse,I hate that movies because it's the movie thay could and might kill this franchise if going forward events from that movie has to tie in to the grand story.. Because it's one thing to get a bad movie but when ideas or lore is introduced as cannon that was totally rejected by fans but now it's jus there going forward and has to be worked in..how are the movies going forward suppose to escape this

[@badger.phipps]

I'm sorry you share my pain 😅

[@thechosenones4375]

Biological warfare. At some point, maybe they should expand upon this "war" we're supposed to be worried about. Oh wait, I think I'm done with the franchise as well 😂

[@badger.phipps]

🤣

[@philyeary8809]

This is a perfect summation of the pros and cons..... When Ridley is on, he makes Alien, and Blade Runner, when hes off, we get Ripley lines missapplied, and fucking with the Alien Queen makes AVP better than Prometheus and Covenshit.

[@badger.phipps]

OOF! Harsh burn. But I like it haha thanks for the comment, bud!

[@philyeary8809]

@@badger.phipps all.good my friend. Subbed.

[@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984]

There was never a need for the backstory of where the Aliens originated. This whole smoke screen has been developed and driven by Fox and short arse Scott. The beginning was the start of this travesty with Romulus, and the end was the death.... Disney wanted another reset, just like the lame and dreadful The Force Awakens, which served as a vomit induced plate of sick. Romulus will do exactly the same. Serve up the same slop so Fox/Disney can finish off the franchise and run it into the ground. The only people turned on by Romulus are those who just want 'another alien film' that might look flashy but is significantly bland and devoid of anything remotely identifiable of the past and the production design looks asthestically pleasing. For me, Alien ended in 1992. As much as I don't like Alien 3, the movie has a downbeat ending that satisfies my thoughts, even though Blomkamp's Alien 5 had the possible ending that the Alien franchise probably needed, but the studio executive's didn't want, because Fox were more interested in prolonging the franchise for nefarious reasons....

[@LUCKO2022]

Scott didn't want to do another Alien film. Prometheus was supposed to be a spin off film set in the same universe but explore different themes and explore the Space Jockey. The sequels to Prometheus was suppose to go even further away from Alien. The studio interfered and that is how we got to this point. Look at The Thing prequel and how shit it turned out to be. It started with good intentions, but studio meddling, like with Alien 3 as well also ruined those films. It is a tale as old as Hollywood itself. This is why Lucas funded each of the 5 other Star Wars films himself as then he could do whatever he wanted with no interference.

[@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984]

@LUCKO2022 Yes, I know. Quite honestly, these days, I couldn't give a shit about what came before. Hollywood has spun enough spells and ruined past franchises for either identity driven plot devices or used prequels to mess up the structure of what went before. It's all about destroying the old to bring in the new. The new is about pushing social agendas to the forefront and wrecking what went before... I'm happy with just Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 The same is true with the Terminator up to the third film, and also starwars with prequels and the original trilogy. You just imagine what came after never existed.... Problem solved... 😆

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

I don't see it being that dividing. Some find it quite alright, and others find it mid?

[@r.babylon2885]

I didn't know Alien Earth was a thing. That's frustrating

[@Boxcar808]

I'd be optimistic, Noah Hawley is one of the best writers and producers working in the biz for decades...his Fargo and True Detective series are outstanding, creepy and quirky. It might not be to everyone's taste's but the franchise could be in infinitely worse hands.

[@Soils9000]

Read the old dark horse comics, it’ll make you love the aliens franchise again. Some of the best alien/aliens content out there. Btw I really liked Romulus.

[@badger.phipps]

I'm glad you like it! And thank you, I just might try them one day. I do intend to!

[@beestingza]

I couldn't agree more. By the end, it will be determined that the Engineers seeded life on Earth only to give birth to the imagination of HR Giger, and then they used his artwork as inspiration for their nightmarish bio-weapons.

[@trippydippy-j5n]

In complete agreement with you. There is only Alien 1-3. Birth-Life-Death. Sorry about your friend 🧡

[@badger.phipps]

Wow. Thank you for the lovely words and for the support! 🥰 Also, I'm sorry you share my pain for the franchise 😆

[@trippydippy-j5n]

​@badger.phipps your welcome mate ❤ what did you think of "Prey" ? That is if you're a predator fan ?😊

[@badger.phipps]

@@trippydippy-j5n Check out my review of it ;) #selfpromotion

[@GRYFX02]

Nice analysis

[@badger.phipps]

I appreciate that!

[@PhilH-L]

You're right with that!

[@deathismycolor]

I can weirdly see how this “can” fuck over most “fans .” If you’re going to fuck up a franchise while still making “it very interesting” , this franchise is how you do it . ( Not Star Wars )

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

Honestly at this point I went into Romulus with no other expectations other than to be entertained and I was so I'll have to give it a pass I mean it wasn't mind-blowing or anything but you know it wasn't lame either.

[@Sci-Fi_Quizshow]

Right! As Bret would have interjected! LOL :D As far as I am concerned the Alien franchise ended in a trilogy, and Alien 3 was the last. It's been a fast downhill slide ever since. R. Scott had fouled the franchise beyond recognition. He should never have come back to it after he turned his back on it in 1979. The worst part was not just the mediocrity of what had followed, but the unashamed copy-and-paste bullshit about human origins (copied from 2001:A Space Odyssey); and the black goo? Did you think this was original? No, it was another shameless copy-and-paste from the X-Files. Sure, the Alien was 'cooked'. But he should have hired halfdecent Sci-Fi authors and script writers if he wanted to 'expand the lore' of the Alien in his prequels. The genre definition of Sci-Fi is Science Fiction. None of the trash we got since qualifies as either relating to science or fiction as we know it, let a lone as a science fiction movie! It's an insult to the Alien fandome and an insult to the genre. What an utter waste of a good IP.

[@scannaunderscore1]

A Promethecrap future

[@roachdog5795]

I kinda gave up after… ya know… alien 3

[@citizenVader]

Hmm, that's not how petrification works. It takes sediment to fill the cavities, and that is non-existent.

[@nephilim3090]

i get why the last 3 have gotten hate but alot of the people that really cry about them being different (not you, you have brain cells lol)have never read the comics and it shows the comics constantly did weird and different things

[@badger.phipps]

😆 why thank you! I have not read the comics but I do intend to! I don't think the comics would be too offensive though because they're a different media from the original source. The same as the video games. But I see what you mean! I'll check them out one day.

[@ABHorrorMovies]

Valid points here! Prometheus is a fantastic film, even with its flaws. I love it too. Lots of plot holes and unanswered questions throughout. Beautiful mess, indeed. Ha. Incredible video! I’m not sure I’m done with the franchise entirely, but it is the first time I’ve ever considered it. I wanted to like Romulus… 👍🏻 -Aaron

[@badger.phipps]

Jiggy stuff. Thank you! Yes. I wish you disagreed with me because it is not fun feeling like this haha But I'm glad you still have hope for the future!

[@ABHorrorMovies]

@@badger.phipps Right on! Yes, I will remain optimistic. We’ll see. Cheers, man.

[@LUCKO2022]

The problem with Prometheus is that Ridley fully intended to answer all the questions and eventually link it to Alien. It was meant to be more of a spin off series kinda like how Cobra Kai is to the Karate Kid films. The problem is the studio aka Fox and the boardroom execs don't think like creatives. They just think numbers. They saw the backlash from Prometheus (which was their fault as the Alien stuff was forced into the film by them in the first place) and panicked so they tried to course correct thus fucking up Ridley true vision of where he wanted to go with the series. Hollywood is just like that.

[@heilong79]

I agree with most of what you say, I hated that they make the black goo canon. Lore is important and consitancy matters. Lindeloff screwed the Alien universe with his additions to the script.

[@badger.phipps]

Thank you and A bloody MEN.

[@roady1710]

It was a piece of garbage it just relived every portion of all the other movies. There was no imagination at all in this movie horrible.

[@my2randomcents]

I honestly find Scotts take on the lore unbearably boring. It's like Lovecraft suddenly going"oh Cthulu was created by the cultists, and his spit can create random human adjacent creatures"

[@richardtingler4798]

Womp womp

[@Hashpotato]

You're young and your brain is still developing. You'll get there. Or not. Mostly not. Mostly

[@phillipparsons3283]

Same feeling when my brother and myself had really messed the alien franchise up way more again

[@nicholasbennett7367]

The last 20 minutes were garbage

[@mattryan1999]

Took a really long time to say you have really bad taste

[@badger.phipps]

Took a really quick time to be a meanie beanie WAAAAAAAH! 👶😠

[@silence3178]

lol disables dislikes weak beta

[@alexmason8353]

We can't see the dislikes whether he left the likes on or off.

[@badger.phipps]

@@alexmason8353Thank you, Alex, but I don't need defending from a typical troll's comment😁 Plus, I didn't even know I had them disabled, so I'm grateful to this troll in particular 🤠

[@LUCKO2022]

The dislike button has been disabled by youtube for a few years now. They did it because companies like Lucasfilm and Disney asked them to because their garbage DEI junk was getting ratioed into oblivion. Google claimed it was to protect people. Hogwash.

[@racenturtlez]

86% of the movie's audience understands that Romulus is the best it's been since Aliens. one day you'll realize that too

[@LUCKO2022]

86% are dumb as bricks. I hated Romulus. It was too short. I hated the accents as sometimes it was hard to make out what they were saying. And it was just a glorified fan film that reused lines from the older movies. I wish they would stop doing that trend.

[@bookerlee4752]

It's like the modern equivalent of Alien Resurrection.

[@racenturtlez]

@@bookerlee4752 false, kiddo, you clearly weren't in the theater when resurrection came out or you'd realize how braindead this comparison is

[@bookerlee4752]

@racenturtlez I wasted money seeing it when it came out. Both films are just meh and breaks the canon of the first two films. And please stop assuming things.

[@racenturtlez]

@@bookerlee4752 I think you're the one making some assumptions about the reception here. I saw resurrection in theaters twice, once with each parent, although I was young so I didn't get to watch alone (free from subjective interference) and I have now seen romulus several times. both showings of resurrection I was present for had herds of people walking out of the theater (basketball and newborn scenes) and outright loudly mocking the film. many times now people have spontaneously broken out into applause for romulus at the theaters I've been to. obviously this is anecdotal evidence, however you can quickly find plenty more objective metrics to back it up. with resurrection there was a clear and immediate consensus that it was schlock (cuz it is), meanwhile romulus is largely being praised by all as the best it's been since Aliens, aside from a very specific and vocal minority that you belong to