Why I'm NOT Buying the 40v. Makita 40v vs 36v vs Corded.

[@wittworks]

Full review of all three: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaTQoayHbq94n6Msi=gk3jp2M7Qw_9l8kr I can help you maximize your track saw or trim router set-up 👉 wittworks.shop

[@francocalcagni9323]

I read many of the comments, but not all of them, so not sure anyone mentioned this. The 36v and 40v are both 36v. The 40v, Makita decided to go with "max" power, like many of the 18v that call their tools 20v max or similar. The 18v vs 20v, or the 36v vs 40v; both are nominal voltage to peak voltage. (same with anything 12v is actually 10.8, and 60v is really 56v)

[@frenchyroastify]

I'm a professional millwork installer and I love the 40V platform. I use the 8 1/4 " cordless mitre saw with the festool vacuum via bluetooth startup unit. I will be buying more XGT tools that are power hungry (uses 2 batteries). Will be retiring my 18 V track saw. Instead of auto on, one could just buy the festool remote which is what I do. By the way, I'm done with Festool as my vac remote broke inside after 4 months and the response was no warranty for accessories! Spread the word and screw them!

[@chrisevans6293]

My .02 - I use the makita wired tracksaw plugged into a festool vacuum at work. Works great. Plugs into the vacuum, turns on when i start the saw. Love it. In a shop environment, the wire isn't the end of the world. On my own personal jobs/side jobs, I bought the 36V battery version of the saw. Since I dont have a festool vacuum and wasn't interested in the AWS model I went with that. I think if your mainly working in a shop, the wired/festool combo cant be beat for price comparisons. I work outside a lot as well so for me the 36V was a must, if im working indoors I plug it into any old vacuum and turn it off and on.

[@Aepek]

18:52 the 36v does work w/ 1 battery, but MUST be in slot № 1 position. Will run time and power be the same as 2 arteries, no but it WILL WORK W/ 1 BATTERY! Just an fyi…..

[@wittworks]

Didn’t know that!

[@michaelruss1742]

Thank you, thank you. You have helped me make my decision. I am looking for a track saw to break down plywood at the big box store and the 18v will work well.

[@brewsnoop]

I have the Makita 36 volt track saw and I love it. I transitioned from the Triton corded track saw and the Makita is a lot lighter, quieter and I love the electronic brake. I am also Team Teal and being able to stick with my 18 volt platform solidified my decision to go with this saw over the 40 volt saw. Paying more for a slower saw didn’t make sense to me either. On a side note, I had invested in several Triton tracks and they also work with the Makita saw (in addition to Festool and Dewalt). I have added one of your custom shroud covers as well…fit great, works great!

[@jeramibrigdencarpentry7716]

I stay cordless with every tool purchase I can because I do work on job sites with no power and do not want to run the generator. I was always a Dewalt guy and never had a track saw before. Watching all the reviews I decided to purchase the makita xgt 40volt saw over a dewlat and absolutely love it! For me I wasn't invested in any other battery line yet so it made sense and now there are a few more 40volt tools I'm looking at. Dust collection automation is a big downfall for sure but I can live with turning the vacuum on and off by hand for now. Great video by the way!

[@wittworks]

Thank you for sharing! Great perspective. You'll love the saw - and turning on the vacuum is easy

[@ashleycrofts3779]

This is the 2nd video I’ve watched of yours and can see why lots of people like it. I m trying to decide which on but your video has certainly helped. I m thinking of staying to the corded version after your video I can justify the cost when I’ve only got a drill and impact in 18v makita. Did and was going to the new Bluetooth 40v but some very useful information in your video has kinda put me off. So keeping it simple and cheaper with the corded. Did look at festool but again comes down to the cost. Great video 👍🏼

[@fugixi]

Great video! This is precisely why I love having both Festool dust extractor and track saw. Just works and in the end actually not more expensive than the Makita combo.

[@wittworks]

Thank you

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

Where are you located in the world that they are the same price ?

[@kennywilson6159]

This video was very helpful. I don't have any Makita but I have in the past. I love the brand but am mostly a DeWalt guy. I have made a living with Makita in the past but at some point it just became harder to find at a price point I'm comfortable with. I am now making my living a different way and am a hobbyist so the DeWalt fits me better. Of course the Makita track saw has become the gold standard (better value than Festool) and I have been trying to decide which one to go with. I was actually minutes away from pulling the trigger on the 40v largely because of the Bluetooth. The information you provided here has actually saved me a ton of money. I will be getting the corded version. I too work mostly in my shop/garage and have power available. Even outside the shop, I have not seen a hoseless vacuum so the addition of a power cord is not even an issue as I will run the cord along the vacuum hose. I will either get a dust collector that turns on with my saw or I can spend 40 or 50 bucks to get a remote start unit. This way I can buy more wood, or that 3M sander I have been eyeballing. Of course I will also order your dust port thingy. I have also subscribed, shared, commented on and saved your video. Thanks

[@wittworks]

Thank you! I agree that the corded makita is the standard. I still love it. I just wish the cord was longer…but…there’s a fix for that.

[@marlenen6130]

I’m a hobbiest, like I had a wild time making a frame for my Vermibag lil Mammoth, that could hold 500 lbs of worms, castings and bedding-that’s why I have a little shop in the garage. The thing is, even as a hobbyist. The dust and debris from my wormory, the massive amount of cardboard processing and everyday family life-I need better dust collection. Today I used wood bondo on a small vintage, homemade dresser that I’m refinishing. It’s just 3 narrow drawers with a fun leg design (whoever made it was having fun). Anyways I learned 1. Bondo with the hardener sets up fast and I shouldn’t have tackled the entire back seams all at once. 2. The dust is out of control. 3. Using the blower on the shop vac told me that someone sucked up liquids in the shop vac last year and never cleaned it 😱! Anyways, my husband smelled that and I think I can get any new system I want. I’m leaning toward the Festool because of the space saving, shockproof hose and appealing look verses rigging up a shop vac on the wall and getting a bunch of other accessories. What do you think?

[@solaris051]

Thanks for your honest opinion. Got mine 40v version yesterday for 378 Euro with BT in Makpack. Happy with the purchase so far.

[@justAnotherMike82]

you don't need to redo the pairing procedure, but you need to press the button on the transmitter to turn it on (you'll know because the blue light will blink). also the makita vc4210 +wut02 is less expensive than a similar-sized dust extractor from festool that has auto filter clean.

[@ryansimmons3818]

Love your channel, man. I have a very big feeling that you’re going to be a very popular channel in the years to come. Keep it up!

[@wittworks]

thank you Ryan! You're kind. Would you be interested in joining our brand new discord server?

[@chancecsmith]

I am also team teal. And very glad that you are calling Makita out on these compatibility issues. I know they’re not the only brand doing this sort of thing, but they are doing a massive disservice to their otherwise loyal customers. I also recently started buying other brands and just using adaptors to pair with my Makita batteries. Now I only buy the best value/quality on a tool by tool basis. All other factors being the same, I opt for the Makita.

[@wittworks]

Thank you Chance!

[@tagg8233]

It's actually amazingly shady that these Bluetooth capable tools don't talk to each other. The WHOLE POINT of Bluetooth is that it's universal. Apple airpods connect no problem with android phones. If Apple is doing better than you at walled garden products you know it's bad

[@horacionochetto8454]

Fantastic video. I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of power between the track saws?

[@RonGuilbault]

I have the 36 volt version, which I use with success. It was early on my woodworking journey that I purchased it. If I had to do it again, I would have gone corded as I now always use a corded dust extractor. Now which corded? I think it comes down to the Makita or Festool TS60. I just looked at Amazon, $369 for the Makita vs $799 for the Festool. If my 36v Makita died today, I would want the Festool and likely get a Makita corded. However, crazy as this sounds, the Festool has a 13' cord. Cord length is no small matter. I might pay extra for the easy of use of a longer cord. How long is the Markita cord?

[@VincheroKarpintero]

Great video. I went with the Makita 36v saw (luckily they had the bluetooth version over here) even after the 40v came out and BEFORE owning any other Makita 18v tool for 2 reasons: 1. Price - the 40v line is really pricey, and more importantly, 2. Range - the 18v line remains to have the wider line of tools. The 40v has a lot of catching up to do.

[@wittworks]

Thanks bro! Your decision is interesting and it makes sense to me. Lots of hype around the 40v. Thank you for sharing! I’d love to hear how the Bluetooth works for you and how you use it.

[@VincheroKarpintero]

@@wittworks haha. I don't use the bluetooth. I don't have the heart to splurge for that 36v vac just yet.

[@marknasia5293]

The blade on the 40V cuts better at slower RPM, because you get more torque out of the motor. Also, hard lesson i learned being an owner of multiple 36v twin battery Makita tools. Makita has a safety built in monitor that ensures when one of the 2 (18v batteries over heat or drain to 20%) the tool shuts off, even if there is still plenty of power in the opposite battery, so you become slave to the lesser battery. The Makita 40V battery does more cuts, last so much more longer. The blue tooth is nice if you have a makita vac with AWS. I am not getting rid of my 36V but have 2 x 40V Makita’s now the HS004 and the HS011 and big advantage is both these saws are already guide rail compatible, the only reason i don’t have the SP001 plunge 40V is they are constantly out of stock in my market. Team teal is never cheap, but the buy once cry one applies.

[@wittworks]

Great stuff. Thank you.

[@whiskeybluez]

Thanks for this. I was wondering what's wrong with my lawnmower and never figured it out. Until now :)

[@aproyaloak2852]

Great video. I have a Festool Midi dust extractor and use the Bluetooth remote to turn my dust extractor when I use my cordless mitre or track saw. I would like you to do a video of the Milwaukee M18 and Makita XGT 40V track saws.

[@Aethalops]

Super helpful review. I'm considering my first track saw, to augment or replace an old but reliable corded circular saw (and home-made guide). I'm heavily invested in Makita 18V tools and batteries already, so came here to decide between a new 36v vs. a new 40v saw. However, after watching this I'm inclined to say neither. Maybe later, I'll grab a 36v when they go on deep discount. Your complaints are spot on, and the times I'd need battery power for such operations aren't all that many. Maybe I'll just get a track to use with the trim router.

[@wittworks]

Sometimes Amazon has open box 36v without batteries for a good deal

[@stephenutley260]

Brilliant video, very thorough. I've owned the 36v track saw for a couple of years and it is awesome! ripping and crosscutting 18mm (3/4") all day long. There isn't anything that would make me want to move over to the 40v system, just as you said in your video. Totally agree with your Bluetooth rant, I'm happy to switch my dust extractor on & off by hand each time. Thanks for confirming what I was already thinking, keep up the great videos.

[@deviceone]

Just got the 18x2 and its my first teal cordless but I plan to get more 18v Makita, like the palm router so it felt convenient to start with two 5ah batteries

[@alanr745]

I’d go corded all the way. Some tools need batteries in my shop, but a track saw is not one of them. Great discussion, points, and a helpful review. Thanks Witt!

[@stepansavelyonok5532]

Hello! Glad to see your opinion on this new guy. Got my 36v for around 270$ with bluetooth chip. Spent around 150$ to get the vacuum plug adapter. Can't say I regret it. But I find more comfortable to attach my miter saw's dust bag and sometimes clean it with my shop vac. I use it more when cutting granite tiles or big slabs. But most of the time I do fully cordless. I want this 40v (yet to be avaliable in my country) for much slimmer profile and less weight. Already got a bunc of tools with batteries. My main tools already 40v, waiting gardening ewuipment and track saw to arrive. I'm thinking of getting corded festool to be stationed permanently in my shop, but I'm afraid I wont get my rails work with both saws and having two sets is kinda awkward. For bluetooth my tools find vacuum without manual reconnection after battery change. I tried it on my 40v tools too, but with my old chips. You can have different chips, same model can go with different catalogue numbers. When I work with aws it connects fairly quick, I don't need to wait for pairing. Sometimes it fails but reconnects quickly same way.

[@AshHalls]

The tracks work with both saws

[@stepansavelyonok5532]

@@AshHalls Indeed it does. But splinter guard would work only with one, almost impossible to get it work with both saws

[@wittworks]

Track works on all makita (and apparently Festool)

[@AshHalls]

I just bought a Makita 40v track saw. First use will be cutting down a solid core door.

[@AshHalls]

I was watching this video in the car park of the tool shop lol, couldn’t bring myself to buy the Bluetooth adapter tho

[@wildtwindad]

Depends on how you go at it. As a carpenter my tools work to pay for their replacements. Just a reality. That being said my makita sp6000 paid for itself in 2 jobs and then bought its festool hkc cousin and its makita 36v upgrade. These make my life easier, and make me money by making me more efficient. My back thanks me every time I do not have to manhandle a ¾" sheet of mdf onto a table saw to break things down. Also making factory finish edges every cut, thats dead nuts straight is an epic bonus.

[@wittworks]

That’s it! It’s fun having our business so our toys get us an roi!

[@wildtwindad]

@@wittworks The crazy part is some clients/customers don't understand how much I have invested in tools. Literally tens of thousands. It is only when DIY'rs are forced to tool up that they begin to understand the true cost of being "handy".

[@wittworks]

yep!

[@maisummarceneiroumdemuitos8037]

same here, I use my track saw to take smaller pieces of MDF since I work alone.

[@billycrowe4501]

Great video. Im basically outfitting all new tools since my wife and I just bought a house so Im basically looking at everything besides a couple screw drivers from ryobi. I'm thinking Festool: Vac Makita Mitre Dewalt Table Saw Makita,Bosch, or Dewalt Orbital Sander And a makita or festool but leaning makita track saw Not sure about jigsaw or bradnailer right now brand wise. Im curious how people manage their dust extraction since it seems like with a mitre the vac and tube is sorta locked away but if you wanna use something on the table you gotta take the vac and tub out of its cubby. Seems kinda cumbersome to do this each time you swap tools. What are your thoughts?

[@billycrowe4501]

I'm also looking at pricing and most people dont go green because its too expensive... fair. but I'm running the numbers and at least for the table saw the makita 40v kit with 1 battery and charger is $670 and the track is $103 so $773 in total vs what I'm looking at over at festool theirs is $879 for the saw, track and 2 18v batteries. So I feel like it would be better to go festool since the price really isnt that different and most people seem to like the festool vac and sander too for the vibration isolation. Just thinking what total system I wanna get into but I think I may still go teal for the mitre saw

[@AlfredoArizaleta]

Hi thanks for your recommendation. I found an offer in Amazon for the kit XPS01PTJ including the Boxing, the charger and a couple of 5Ah batteries. Not much price difference from the XPS6000J. The Amazon kit included a 55" Rail. As I have all the boxes of my tools, having these boxes to store the tool + charger is great. I put all the tools on their boxes when not in use (sometimes 🙂). In another video, you mentioned about a Kit from CENTEC to connect your Shop-Vac to the Makita. It happens that I have a Rigid Kit VT2534 (Car Detailing Kit, 1-1/4" hose) that I used to vacuum in my workshop. It is possible to connect it to other tools. As my Makita arrived yesterday, I was able to connect to the Makita dust port using a 1-1/4" to 1-1/4" rubber coupling (about $8 in a home store). Think about this solution...

[@george1gall]

I have the double 18v cordless, have done a lot of projects and I'm really happy with it. One thing I really like is having the double 18v charger that came with my track saw, this lets me use the same batteries singly to power my other Makita tools! (only had to buy the "bare tools") Great review, and very honest! Thank you

[@wittworks]

Thank you George

[@rickyperkins232]

@@wittworks I have a question, if you be neutral and had a choice and cost was not an issue which saw would you purchase, Mafell track or Mikita track and why?

[@wittworks]

Great question. I’d have to use the mafell to really know. I tried to get my hands on one but have been unsuccessful. My understanding is they have more powerful motors and are for beefier applications, but not totally sure. So far I think makita is best. I’ve touched a Festool but not run it. I’ve heard they have the same power but the motors die after a few years.

[@rickyperkins232]

@@wittworks I am so stuck on which one to purchase.

[@wittworks]

@@rickyperkins232 the mafell track seems to be better. check this one out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5zUppxnl5WGmLc

[@jonbarlow3542]

Great review, your speaking into my listening, I am after a Track Saw that will be predominantly work-shop orientated, it's the corded model for me! Same/more power & less weight & less $, it's an absolute NO Brainer!!! Thanks

[@adgieem1]

Great video. Well done.

[@muxulon4126]

I'm actually currently looking into buying a track saw. I am leaning hard toward the Makita kine as they have a great reputation, at a reasonable price. I've debated whether to go cordless or corded. All of my drills are cordless (but Dewalt), I recently changed my weed eater, my blower, and my smaller chainsaw over to battery power. But I honestly think I will remain corded on the track saw. I plan to use it in my shop only, I have AC power readily available at all of my work stations and tables, and the prices for replacement batteries just don't make sense to me. So I will be getting a Makita corded saw soon.

[@wittworks]

Great choice!

[@James-wk5mj]

I couldn’t recommend the wittworks cap piece more it’s amazing the fit is satisfying.

[@wittworks]

Thanks James!

[@joyuncovered]

This is such a great video! Thank you!

[@wittworks]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gg48gg]

Hi there. I was wondering if you could do a video on how to square the blade, and make adjustments to the Makita Track saw. I found the manual confusing and it was an awkward procedure. There also seems to be an extra set screw in the base that the manual neglects. It appears to be front and aft bevel angle stops and the manual just addresses one of them. A procedure for how to square it up and also to adjust (or check) that and the other bits (depth, 45, whatever) would be awesome!

[@gregkeeyako]

I think if you have a Home Automation hub you could write a routine that turns on the vac when the saw turns on.

[@indigophox]

They also make 3-4 larger sizes of XGT track saws. They don't plunge but they're track-compatible. I have the 40V saw in the mail right now. I own a farm so I have a lot of sheet goods work out and about, and when it's humid outside it's really nice to be able to do all my setup with the saw safely inside and then bring it out for a 30 second cut and put it safely back.

[@monkeyboysworkshop]

Great video dude! I have the Makita 36v 2x battery powered track saw and I don’t think I’d upgrade for 4 extra volts if I’m honest either, my current one does the job well enough for me, so I don’t see the need to upgrade, unless Makita decided send me one out of course 😝😂

[@wittworks]

Thank you! Totally agree.

[@MaxTSanches]

I have just purchased a corded Makita tracksaw with the 54" track, and I picked up a second 54" track and connector set. I decided to go corded as I will be using it in the shop. I will have a hose to the dust collector (shop vac), so i'm connected to that and I have put an auto-switch onto the shop vac. My next step is to tie-wrap the cord to the hose.

[@2greenify]

How is the wired makita track saw? Really debating buying it over a much more expensive one with two batteries with it.

[@bobbray9666]

I have the 40v Makita saw and had the cordless previously. I like the no cord concept but you better have several 4Ah batteries if your going to use the 40v for extended cuts. The 4Ah batteries are good for maybe 20-30 mins of runtime. I think the new 8Ah batteries is what I'll use going forward.

[@spilleradam]

I have the Mafell corded track saw it’s very good, the makita XGT tools look good but to expensive and the cost of the batteries, especially as you said you need several batteries, it gets very expensive.

[@ipick4fun27]

It's cordless but tethered to a hose on the back. 🤣

[@bobbray9666]

@@ipick4fun27 With no power cord to get tangled around your feet when cutting many boards or unplugging when plugged into my dust collector's power switch. Big difference then when I had the corded Makita.

[@wittworks]

I failed. What a wonderful mullet observation!

[@ipick4fun27]

@@bobbray9666 When I get rid of my rainbow color batteries, yellow wins me over due to quality and cost. Also my friend is yellow as well so it's easy to share tools. I don't mind the Mikita corded track saw. That's the only way for me to mix color.

[@oscartrain1151]

Yes, I will keep my 18volt line, but for mitre saw, track saw, and hopefully soon table saw, I will jump to 4O volt

[@ajdizzle4shizzle]

Excellent review and a great perspective!

[@wittworks]

Thank you Dizzle

[@lukebarlow8903]

Longer comment incoming, sorry for the paragraph. Love your channel. Happened to find your channel after I just happened to buy your dust cap for my wen 12amp track saw. Didn't even know who you were, but I liked your sticker and put it on my drill press. Also, dust cap works well, thanks, and thanks for getting it out quickly. I wanted to share one reason why cordless track saws could be a good idea, and possibly a video idea I haven't seen anyone else do. I have a mid-size SUV. Getting plywood home is a problem. I'm a tall guy so I can get it on my roof rack, I just kinda feel like I'm gonna die after getting a few sheets up there and ratchet strapped down, and just a hard pass on waiting for the panel saw guy at HD to eventually come help me and angrily make cuts on my way too expensive plywood. Enter my solution. I have expandable bora centipede work stand, 2500 watt power inverter, and a track saw. And yes, I break down the sheets in the parking lot. Yes, I wish I had a truck, or a trailer. And eventually will have a trailer. But right now, trying to grow my hobby/side hustle, I have to make do. And it just seems like an interesting video idea I haven't seen anyone else mention, "hey, use your track saw to get sheet goods home, and here let me show you what that looks like to do it." And since I haven't done an exhaustive search on every single channel, maybe this already exists out there. Anyways, thanks for your content. Thanks for the high production quality.

[@wittworks]

1) I’ve been chewing on this idea!! I have a bora and have thought about doing it in the parking lot and videoing peoples looks! 2) at angry panel saw guy. Come on! 3) we named our last son Luke. (Lucas) BRINGER OF LIGHT! Thank you 🙏

[@WaldFrys]

I put a 20 euro wireless receiver inside a Makita vacuum and strapped the remote to the end off the dust hose. I press the remote and the dust collector turns on. works great with my Makita 36v tracksaw

[@wittworks]

that's a great MakHack! Thank you for sharing

[@seanbrotherton542]

I have the 36v. I'm very happy with it and see no reason to change.

[@aliancemd]

As a software engineer that worked in embedded, I can tell you that the bluetooth chip with some plastic costs around 3$ to make

[@bent1208]

If that.

[@tonymoloney3223]

What a great video. I'm a carpenter in England and I have the 110v makita saw and I bought the 36v saw and their both great, I'm normally buy dewalt but I find makita are just that bit cheaper in price so also have 18v router I would not ever buy the Bluetooth system just because there taking the p iss with the price like you say so I just switch my bosch M class extractor on manually not a problem at all. Great nonsense videos 👍

[@Grumpyoldtwit]

I’m going to buy the corded kit tomorrow . (Comes with two 140mm tracks, two joiners, carry bag and two hold down clamps) All my work is in the workshop and if I’ve gotta run a dust hose to the saw, then running a cable makes no difference. Hooked up to an auto start shop vac with a dust deputy. I’ll be fine.

[@cobuck4007]

As one already who already has the 18v saw, the only meaningful benefit of the 40v to me is that it is narrower. When using the 18v with an MFT table, the lower battery cannot clear tall benchdogs if you are using them as a backstop for your track.

[@wittworks]

Great insight. I agree that the narrower footprint is nice. But, at what price!!?!?

[@julianweiser9985]

@@wittworks They will get cheaper eventually. Note that the cells in the batteries are about twice as expensive, so we already hit rock bottom. The tools may become cheaper one day.

[@OzChippie]

Depends where you are from. Different countries and regions have different rules. In Australia you need to regularly test and tag tools with cords. It's $50 and must be done at least twice a year. This adds up. It is also convenience. If you run a cord here it must be off the ground and supported. This takes time over just pulling out a battery tool.

[@longhuang5613]

Nice video！These three saws are similar in cutting quality. Most of my friends use 18Vx2 models, because most of their tools are makita 18v series, and few of them use 40v series, so they are unwilling to re adapt batteries and chargers for 40v track saw alone.

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

Great comparison of the three Makita tracksaw options. I own both the corded and the 36v cordless versions. Personally, I'm happy with both, and will not be moving up to the 40v platform. Which one you go for really depends, as you say, on what your normal work environment is. Outdoors, I'm happy to use the 36v with a dust bag. Indoors, however, I always use extraction. That being the case, there really isn't much benefit to going cordless, as you are already tethered to an extraction hose. Added to that, there is also the cost consideration. Corded tools are powerful and reasonably priced compared to their cordless counterparts. So, unless you are in construction, and working onsite where you might not have access to regular mains power, I'd say, save your money and go corded.

[@wittworks]

Thank you! I feel the same way.

[@altoidyoda]

@@whomadethatsaltysoup Is there any difference in terms of power? I have a cordless dewalt circular saw and it often struggles to make cuts. This is my main concern.

[@roybaker6970]

I got a Makita 36 volt chain saw kit with four 5ah batteries and a twin charger last year. So I it made sense later to add the bare 36 volt track saw. A $45 dollar Festool remote button on the hose activates my Festool Midi. Definitely no 40 volt upgrade is in my future. Loved your ranting about Marita's inept and excessively expensive implementation of Bluetooth. Do 40 volt batteries charge using existing 18 volt Makita chargers?

[@wittworks]

Thank you Roy. That Festool remote is great! The 40v use a different mount - naturally (of course they do!) and doesn’t fit with the 18v charger. I love makita…but…come on!

[@dionking8184]

I have other Makita tools, but none are cordless. All of my work takes place in my shop, and I always hook up dust collection. Therefore, since I'm dragging around a hose anyway, I'm going corded for my track saw.

[@jspearm1983]

Hey, your tracksaw videos have been some of the best reviews I’ve seen in all of KZbin, so I just came back here to leave this comment. Did you see Milwaukee will be releasing their long awaited tracksaw this Fall? (Fall of 2022)

[@wittworks]

Oh thank you! You’re too kind. I did see it. I’m saving up my pennys so I can buy one and review it. What intrigues you about the Milwaukee? Do you have any specific questions?

[@jspearm1983]

@@wittworks I’m already pretty deep into the M12 and M18 Milwaukee ecosystem of tools and batteries, so it just never made sense for me to buy a single, stand-alone, Makita tracksaw, even though it is an awesome tool by all accounts.

[@rui1863]

36v and 40v are both the same voltage; the are just marketed as nominal and max voltage respectively -- most likely to avoid confusion. I would go with the 40v as I would rather use a single battery than using two batteries.

[@wittworks]

Thank you for sharing. The two 18v is bulky

[@eharding4725]

When faced with replacing everything for a little extra bulk for a saw you use on a track I'm sticking with 18v. Consider this, What's more bulky, a 40v impact or an 18v?

[@rui1863]

@@eharding4725 They are basically the same size; the only different is that LTX (18v) has the option for a 2AH battery (5 cells) that is smaller (10 cells is min for 40v). The 3,5,6AH 18v batteries are only slightly smaller than the 2.5AH 40v (basically same size). I would recommend going with the 40v system without doubt; I have both systems and the 40v system is the best of two worlds; same size as LTX system but also with larger and more powerful tools. The future is XGT.

[@lesfreeman186]

Love the battrie stuff . But mainly for up on roofs, on the ground ,still stuck on 110v .. no charging

[@ChadKapper]

Only :50 seconds in… I love this channel!!

[@wittworks]

😊

[@rodneybosco7376]

Here’s my quandary. I have a battery operated Makita miter saw, so I’m already stocked with two 18v batteries. I do not have a track saw and I suspect I would be an occasional user at this point, as I have a 11 X 16 shop (but I will eventually have a two car garage). Do I go for the 36v unit sans batteries or go corded? I do like the electronic brake on the battery unit but the extra weight and bulkiness can’t be fun. Any thoughts? Oh, and I’m probably only going to use it to break down plywood and MDF. Thanks!

[@DAZ-wo6vx]

Thank you You broke that down so well 🙌🏼 God bless

[@Kahoy91]

Still have my corded tracksaw after 5 years, and probably will continue to use it for another year or two, might get a cordless version in the future, but for now im just good with the corded, works perfectly with a festool dust extractor

[@bartfoster1311]

I have the 36v saw but it's not the bluetooth capable version anyways. I didn't think I would even get into the XGT line but I now have both the rear handles, the band saw, and the sds plus hammer drill from auctions. I also have the 36v backpack hepa vac I am going to try out next with the saws! I have a feeling it will fill up fast.

[@johanneso6083]

Great video and review but I have to make some remarks: 1: The 18x2=36V system has the same volts as the 40V has, it is just sematics (marketing). As the 18V batteries are marked nominal voltage and the 40V batteries is marked max. It´s the same as Dewalt names their US tools 20V max but are 18V in other parts of the world and the same goes for the small Bosch-tools that started as 10,8V and just changed name to 12V to match the competition that already named their tools 12V (even if they also were 12V max or 10,8V nominal) There is no 4V difference. 2: I was thinking the same as you regarding corded vs battery powered but as I was going to do some decks and of grid projects I went for the 36V as I already was on LXT-plattform and I have to say that was the right decision. You are totally correct about the dust extractor problem but the fact is that this saw preforms better than I would guess with just a dustbag and that opens up a whole lot of more usecases. I hardly never use the extractor, even if I´m in my shop. But, ofc, if you never, ever use your saw outside the shop and don´t want to fiddle with batteries and chargeing and use the saw extensively, then corded is the way to go.

[@jeffdeluca1153]

Question.. seems you'd usually use a vac attached to the saw. Which needs to be plugged in. Where's the advantage to the cordless saw? Just curious to help me decide

[@tladoux]

The only thing appealing about the 36V is its assuming blade speed, however, do they compromise for less torque. I have a love-hate relationship with Makita. I have all 18V now so to jump to another battery platform makes me consider other brands, Festool for one.

[@jamescrockett6887]

Hi, I prefer Makita tools, primarily is the ergonomics of their tools. I have bern rebuilding my batteries for years, and they are easily 50 percent stronger than new as i use a much higher quality replacement battery. A few tools to buy, 100.00 or so, mainly a small spot welder for the nickel strips. A little charge board goes bad but not very often. Cost 60.00 for the best batteries and make my 5ah battery a 9.0 ah for the same weight, a few ounces more, but the charge last forever. My trick is to get old 2.5 ah batteries, rebuild then to 4.5 ah batteries for 30.00

[@bryanharness1122]

I want the corded version. Was looking at this or the kreg

[@wittworks]

I have both. I prefer the makita corded (although the cord is short). The kreg has a longer cord, but its bulkier and heavier. Also comes with a soft case instead of a hard systainer like makita. It also uses a different style track from makita/festool/Milwaukee so aftermarket accessories are limited (but TSO is releasing more). That said, the kreg is a good saw.

[@bryanharness1122]

@Wittworks very interesting. Appreciate the info. I'll try to find a makita corded then so I can use all the extras . Thanks 😊

[@donalrodgers123]

There is now two xgt cordless vacuums that have Bluetooth a 40v one and a 80v one. I am pretty sure they both come with the chips. Here in the in Ireland and the UK the saws come with the Bluetooth chips and the saws are not that more expensive than the 18/36v ones. It's a new platform you need to give Makita a bit of time to get the new tools out. Like the owner of the channel said if you don't need a cordless track saw the go for the cordless one. But if you want cordless go for the 40v you won't be disappointed 👍

[@bobnicholas1088]

Great video! Considering a track saw, old fashion still using my circular saw and a jig( track). The battery saws are very convenient, however buying multiple batteries😢. The auto brake is why I am leaning to the 36 volt.

[@wittworks]

Thank you! I still love my corded, but sometimes wish I had the battery because it would save me 30 sec of finding a cord...the 36v is a good saw

[@Joeshmofoshoyo]

I install a lot of new door slabs in old openings, the new slabs need to be trimmed to fit almost every time. The cordless 36v Makita has been a game changer for me, not having to deal with a cord on the long cuts is soooo satisfying. Battery life holds up very well, for the work I do it's precise enough. I highly recommend it. Thank you for your review. Too bad about the bluetooth, in this day and age should be flawless.

[@wittworks]

Good info! Thank you for sharing. I’ve trimmed 4 doors in my house with that saw!

[@Grumpyoldtwit]

I like the idea of cutting the sheets down in the carpark, but I’ve convinced myself to go corded. (Buying a kit tomorrow) I DO already have a cordless circular saw, so the idea you’ve given me is to take my two 55” tracks and cordless circular saw and use the back side of the tracks as a regular fence…

[@mrsrx47]

That’s true on the blade mine is about 5years old still cuts like new don’t use it daily but still going strong

[@luisc1748]

You are absolutely correct on being piss at Makita for not including the bluetooth transmitter with the saw, but the 18v model has, like you pointed out, two different versions, one with AWS and one without, the overall majority of my cordless are Makita, and the model without AWS would work perfectly when using a dust collector. I use a Wireless Remote Control Outdoor Electrical Outlet Switch with my dust collector or vacuum and i start the vac with the remote and after I finish ripping, using the same remote, i turn off the vac. Oh, by the way, this Wireless Remote Control Outdoor Electrical Outlet Switch runs about $15

[@MorningNapalm]

I just bought the SP001 in Germany, and the Bluetooth module was included, FWIW.

[@diegoubago4482]

I find this video really funny. I went through the exact same thing a few years ago when I started buying Makita. Most of my tools are AWS ready, but I've never got the dust extractor because I consider it really expensive and the whole adapter/chip thing is clearly a cash grab. I finally opted for a set of RF enabled plugs that I control with a remote in my apron. A bit inconvenient, but it works for me and is (almost) the next best thing

[@wittworks]

CASH GRAB. Exactly what it is. Truly disappointed.

[@chrisevans6293]

Remote start for the vacuum is a great alternative. Thanks for sharing, when I get dust extraction for myself I will be going this way. Cheers!

[@robcaseyjensen3342]

I was about to get the Bosch corded kit from Axminster (UK) and replace the plug after importing to the US (UK and US versions had identical parts lists except the power cord and the scale/ruler for plunge measurements...), but they sold out and then I found a too-good to pass up opportunity to get a used-only-once corded Makita and couldnt be happier (for the most part - I still like Bosch's rail system more, but its not worth the price increase over what i spent.) Like others in the corded world, ive never felt that the power cord is in the way - that title belongs to the hose. I also hope that my track saw lasts longer than however Makita continues to producw the 18v line of batterirs - my fear with the cordless saws is that all of the manufacturers will eventually change their battery platforms, and then what can you do?

[@georgeharper6034]

So is the corded version still a good option when you have power and invested in other brands for cordless?

[@wittworks]

I believe so. I’m still happy with mine.

[@JohnLee-vl8qk]

I picked up the 36v kit for $499, first time I wondered why I didn’t buy it earlier. It’s awesome.

[@jameswestii454]

Love my 18volt track saw. No desire for the 40volt even if I did not have either one. Still the only frustrating thing is trimming the rubber on my single 55” guide rail and not being able to trim the first and last 3-4” without the saw coming off the track. Hope more people realize the importance of that step if you truly want straight cuts along with the fact that you need to remove as much play from saw in track with the 2 tensioning knobs and make sure the blade is square to the bottom plate of saw since mine was off by a noticeable amount.

[@wittworks]

Thank you James for sharing! I have one track and have the same issue. Been thinking about getting the powertec pair…

[@chrisevans6293]

DUDE. I literally bought a 36V tracksaw same as you, and when i went to do a demo cut to get rid of excess rubber the same thing happened! I was pissed! Now I have to spend time lining up the end of the saw if it doesn't overhang. FOr most jobs its fine, since you will just adjust further up, but if you need every inch then its really a piss off and overlooked part of the set up. I was already considering buying 2 new strips of rubber for the 2 55:" tracks. Like you said only the first 3/4" of the rubber is more of less useless.. its not the end of the world but is a bit annoying when things dont line up the same.

[@JN2023]

I attached another rail and could trim the last bit.

[@earlfinn5489]

I’m in the same boat, and on top of that, when connecting another track, I noticed the guide rail width is slightly different. Enough difference that when I tune the saw for one track and cross the connection to the new track, my guide binds. Which of course forces you to loosen the saw guide slightly and sacrifice a small amount of accuracy, which then cascades to a less accurate splinter guard. It seems the only true solution is to buy the big track…

[@Ziflinz]

I was looking at getting the corded Makita track saw with their 11 gallon (VC4210L) extractor. Sadly, the outlet on the extractor is only rated up to 4.8 amps, so you can't plug their 12 amp track saw into it which is pretty dumb. I may have to just go with the Festool MIDI extractor (same price as Makita's) which makes me want to just get a Festool TS 55.

[@wittworks]

Festool!

[@tmwoodcraft]

Great breakdown! If i did it over again I would buy the cordless instead of the corded. Just would making dealing with dust collection only so much easier. Side Note: I can't get the discount code to work for etsy?

[@wittworks]

Try now. I extended it to end of January (originally expired on 12/31) but the settings didn’t take in Etsy.

[@kaptain_zero623]

If you are buying the 40v saw for the additional 4 volts.... DON'T. Both the new 40V battery and the two 18V batteries are identical in voltage. 18V batteries have 5 cells (or in higher capacity packs can have 5 parallel wired pairs of 18650 lithium Ion cells wired in series) which gives you 18v nominal. A Lithium Ion 18650 cell has a nominal voltage of 3.6v, but when fully charged will have approximately 4.2v, which means the marketing guys can slap a 20v sticker on their batteries (I'm looking at YOU Dewalt). The same applies to Makita's 40v packs. they have 10 cells wired in series, giving it 36v nominal and 40v when freshly charged. So two 5 cell 18v packs are exactly the same as a 10 cell pack marketed as 40v. In my mind, the overpriced Bluetooth system would be the primary reason to want the 40v saw.... well, that and only needing to use 1 pack. I have lots of 18v packs in the shop, so I'll stick with the 36v unit.

[@wittworks]

Great info. Thank you for sharing. MARKETING tricks 🙄

[@maestro8986]

Your calculation is correct *in theory* due to different structure and core of the battery technology you can definitely pull out more from the 40v batteries conpared to 2 x18v. Been there and done that with tracksaw, leaf blower, lawnmover and big rotary hammer. In addition, there are already 2x 40v makita tools as well as 40v 8ah batteries = you can never replace those with 2x 18v even *in theory*.

[@maestro8986]

As an comment to the videos topic, i think hs001g (the 270mm circular saw) has all the benefits as tracksaw and on top of that massive cutting capacity. I freaking love that thing.

[@rulowth4815]

Well, ive seen head to head and most 40v look more powerful. And there’s new high capacity batteries now

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Also... which is what I just bought, there is a 2×18v version that has AWS as well. Less common, but i like that I can keep running my existing batteries because, as you said, same voltage. Also, two separate 18v batteries will arguably cool better than one 40v.

[@mohamedalmasry7577]

Thank you ! you said everything I wanted to say !!!

[@justavian]

I bought a Shop Fox track saw a few years back. Saw and two 55" tracks together were $280. There were a few simple mods to improve dust collection on it, and it's been very effective and an amazing value. I'd love to get something cordless, but it's hard to justify spending almost as much as i did on my table saw when it seems every brand has various cons.

[@BType13X2]

anything you connect dust collection to stops being cordless, so I don't see a point in a cordless tracksaw with dust collection.

[@diamondbracelette]

@@BType13X2 One less cord obviously but great point. Had the same dilemma when sizing up some cordless compact router options while still wanting dust collection to be attached.

[@geneskobkariov]

BTW I modified my 36v to be able to take a 7 1/4 blade which gives me a deeper cut with having the blade spin faster it gives me a cleaner cut.

[@jimrosson6702]

Wow Drew r That crazy that they don’t include the oh, Bluetooth chip with the saw, and then you have to buy the adapter for the dust collector . that would turn me away from it for sure. I have to do all that I would just go with the corded one.

[@w9jim]

Preach it! LOL! I'm actually in the market for my first track saw. I'll probably go with the corded version. Way cheaper and I no longer work as a carpenter for a living (retired).

[@wittworks]

Awesome! You'll like the corded.

[@julianweiser9985]

The xgt line has a tool deal in germany. You can get a free battery with a purchase.

[@1959mikel]

Thanks for the video, was looking for this exact info. For me the corded version makes most sense because the whole idea for cordless tools is not to be tethered, but if I attach a dust collector to the tool I’m more tethered than the power cord! The extra cost of cordless pays for my dust collection. I do want the safety of the electronic brake system so I’m hoping that’s available in the corded makita.

[@chorps88]

Great video. The only minor quibble is that the new battery system voltage really isn’t 4V more than the dual battery (18V x2), it’s more marketing than anything. Makita 18V is basically the same as DeWalt 20V or Metabo 18V, and Makita 40V is the same voltage as Metabo 36V.

[@RonKillian]

It's like Makita is now pulling a Dewalt. :)

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

@@RonKillian fact

[@wittworks]

Hopefully they’ll hear our cries.

[@ofloo9661]

most of my aws tools came with the extra bluetooth dongle, and you can buy a bluetooth remote which has a cord plugs into any vacuum and starts the vacuum as it would a corded saw. One didn't include it. btw I bought the 36v with bluetooth, just because I've got like 20 18v batteries. And almost all of my tools are cordless 18v and they work.

[@rickypope9016]

I'm looking for a track saw to rip live edge slabs up to 12 ft and over 2 1/2" thick. The Makita 9 1/4 blade looks like my only option now. Not being a plunge saw how much longer does the track need to be? The Festool 75 can't find now.

[@wittworks]

I was going to recommend the TS75 🤦‍♂️ A cheap cheap option may be the wen 1272 - it does 2.6” but probably isn’t enough and I wouldn’t trust the motor. It’s fisher price compared to makita or Festool. I like my tracks to be at least twice the length of the saw base. That way it can sit on the base completely before and after each cut.

[@hamishgrant-fargie7589]

Great vid! I’ve got the corded version but don’t run the team teal 18v or 40v systems. I wouldn’t go cordless given the costs involved. Out of curiosity, has anyone had any issues with the different kerf of the CMT blades changing/affecting the effectiveness of the rubber splinter guard from how it operates with the factory Makita blade?

[@wittworks]

Thanks! When I installed my CMT, it buzzed a very small off my splinter guard and gave me a fresh line. Only noticed when I saw a small amount of black saw dust. I haven't noticed anything else beyond that.

[@geoffreywheatley7711]

I am on the 18 Volt system I have over 10 various cordless tools, as much as I like the idea of the 40 Volt system I am not going to change.

[@awl_in_woodworks]

great message. genuine

[@wittworks]

Thank you

[@masontejera506]

I have the 36v, and honestly I’m thinking of trading it in for the festool corded. My thought process is if it produces a lot of dust, I want it hooked up to my dust processor, which has a festool power cord attached. Only time I don’t need dust collection is when I’m on a job where dust doesn’t matter, and accuracy probably matters less, so I’ll just use a standard circ.

[@wittworks]

That’s how I think of it! What is appealing in the Festool corded that the makita corded doesn’t have? Besides customer service

[@masontejera506]

@@wittworks A proprietary plug that plugs in at the tool, not the wall 😂😂

[@csimet]

Here in March 2023, I went with the 2x 18V myself and added a Powertec dual 55" track system (that came with a nice bag) and pair of Acofuns clamps. All in the cost was $725. I debated the 40V version, but the extra cost and fact that the batteries do not work with a few other Makita cordless tools was the deal breaker. The corded version was a no-go, as I need this thing to be portable, mostly to break down sheet goods in my garage before taking them down to the basement shop table saw. I got sick of using my simple aluminum straight edge and 6-1/2" Dewalt 20V to do this. I rarely got straight cuts, as the saw would drift because of the straight edge. The Dewalt is fine, but it is a basic framing saw and not really meant for this task.

[@michaelnichols7669]

I really wanted the 40v saw, in general I hate corded tools aside from stationary ones. I decided to buy the corded Makita track saw, it was roughly $500 more once you factor in an extra battery for 40v (I have no makita cordless), plus the whole dust extraction deal. While I'm sure there will be times the cord will annoy me, I think I'll get on just fine.

[@wittworks]

Thank you for sharing. Same. I want cordless, but the cord is fine. I’m already tethered with a vacuum hose anyway…

[@aaronoconnor606]

If you are only using the saw I a shop corded makes sense if you are using on job sites or outdoors the 40v is worth the investment. I bought into the 40v system but also received free battery's with a deal from a local vendor.

[@michaelnichols7669]

@@aaronoconnor606 Im happy with my corded at the moment. Im actually glad I didn’t get the 40v, as Milwaukee’s new track saw looks great, and I already have some Milwaukee tools, where as Makita 40v would be a 4th platform for me.

[@1975oldschool]

Really interesting finds on the 40v saw. To have to repair it each time you take the battery off is just a horrible design flaw.

[@Good-Citizen]

I'm now buying the red track saw. Thanks my friend

[@SophthilifeYT58]

Bosch or Mafell, nicer rails, better comfort, better dust extraction I think

[@jimbok2492]

I have 36v miter saw,cic saw and track saw and every other makita. I work on site but I must say with or without power the battery saws are so much more efficient. Luckily I've been buying batteries for years so I have a dozen or so.