Why I'm Switching From Gamecube Controllers

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[@l3ff3n]

I'm hosting tournaments every week for twitch subs btw, and tomorrow's the second edition! Has both pro and amateur bracket for beginners : smash.gg/lffnw It'll all be streamed on my channel twitch.tv/leffen

[@Velereonics]

Good thing I'm working from home tomorrow to watch :)

[@sean-jz8jk]

are you an asian swedish person

[@TheNyion912]

So I get to clap you and everyone else

[@joey5745]

Hey Leffen I finally subscribed! You should make an outro for your videos,

[@jahsukejonfry8552]

Is the box hungry leffen?

[@100apples5]

Loses a couple slippi matches "Why I am dropping the boxx."

[@happycamperds9917]

Marth is 65-35 on BOXX

[@Diispaceyone]

😂

[@marsieg8394]

LMFAO let's bet on this

[@ThisisCitrus]

Whats the hate on the boxx for? Wasn't it smashbox who started the drama and hax just left to make a ergonomic controller that smashbox stole the design of?

[@jaspercochran1535]

Imagine your 8 year old cousin says he’s the best smash player and then you whip this out when he challenges you

[@aprfinancing481]

and then he whips out his own

[@marisanya]

2040 Melee be like

[@agneskennicott7851]

Then he smirks, adjusts his glasses, utters "Pathetic" and takes out his own, newer version.

[@untzuntz1216]

@@agneskennicott7851 the one with the wii nunchuck

[@leaffinite2001]

Pulling out the box + gc hybrid momstrosity

[@lapulga3180]

I thought he'd switch for the ultimate controller : Donkey Kong Bongo's

[@squeebosh8525]

I'll do you one better, The Super Scope

[@grenin6497]

@Christian Lee ill do you one better stering wheel

[@SUPERLINKX2]

We all know the ultimate controller is the kinect

[@jerryrice1690]

You mean the controller with the most possibilities the nes controller

[@ChristerOsorioHoyos]

ah yes, the gamecube controller. The best unit of measurement.

[@ChristerOsorioHoyos]

also I'm old, so please do the hand care vid

[@rohan5564]

imperial system: our battle will be legendary

[@drewbabe]

melee's version of the cubit

[@PrinceSamTV]

I too wish to acquire the gods hands!

[@12apidxHDxGamerx]

Does this mean we’ll get to see you throw a massive box instead of a little controller?! 😃

[@addysonchaknis1306]

"Sanford Kelly has entered the chat"

[@Edoeren]

Underrated

[@RvSZamos]

@@Parpeing and it looks like Genesis 9 is over, congratulations to aMSa, your-... wait, is that Leffen with a steel frame1?

[@brafy2981]

As long as it hits hungrybox

[@SIMIFU]

@@brafy2981 damn man...so violent

[@dls1960]

Me who doesn’t play melee: Interesting.

[@TuxRacing69]

Why did you title your acc melee fox then

[@frakeyjones1336]

Why is ur pfp fox then?

[@MuchoManRP]

but why did you use a picture of fox mccloud from super smash brothers melee for your account tho

[@tylers7381]

For what course of action did you choose to use Fox McCloud of the storied franchise Starfox to represent your profile?

[@dls1960]

@@tylers7381 I just like terminal montage

[@papbio1535]

Frankenstein ass controller is 200% being confiscated at the airport

[@kenyenmusic7548]

What’s an airport?

[@jonathanc3001]

“One of the biggest problems with the GameCube controller is they are inconsistent and you need to mod them” *wants to mod the boxx controller by making a Frankenstein controller with a GameCube half*

[@reddabos]

To be fair, Hitbox has a fight stick like that.

[@wittyjester]

Please, PLEASE let that be its official name. The FRANKENSTEIN.

[@gtyb9283]

@@Parpeing YES we shall call it the leffenstien

[@AwareWolf14]

It’s the Leffroller

[@LyokoSyon]

call it the framenstien

[@futurefox128]

We need a Lefftroller: Press 1 to waveshine-turnaround-upSmash your foes. Press 2 to post it on twitter. Press smaller than 3 to like. Hold 4 I don't know what for. Trigger 5 for my b. Press 6 for this miss-input. Release 7 on frame 7. Press 8 when it's too late.

[@nonsugarnoki]

He gonna throw the b0xx :(

[@ty-phoon]

No, the Wii fit board is the best controller for melee obviously!

[@5hyguy42]

Yes

[@zaarongaming8174]

@@shoyupacket5572 *Bananas controller has entered the chat*

[@juddis956]

Can’t wait for someone to win a major with the power glove

[@l3ff3n]

comment for the algorithm

[@l_o-n_k2411]

Ok

[@alabamii]

no

[@LLsunflower]

reply for the algorithm

[@Ahakqnqkanjssnsh]

Ok

[@SerperiorWeeb]

lffnHappy

[@SocknessMonster]

apolgy for bad english where were u wen laughing swith controlr i was at house eating dorito when phone ring " laffin switch controller" "no"

[@Diana-Derivative]

This comment is a trainwreck and I love it

[@shine-ub6eb]

LMAO this is so funny

[@jaidsalgado]

LOL this makes little sense but that's what makes it funny af 😂

[@SocknessMonster]

@@jaidsalgado thesm laughing

[@godspeed809]

Dude you didn't spell leffen right.

[@SIMIFU]

Alternate title: Leffen embraces a certain box that could also be hungry.

[@Wadosan]

Honestly I think it’s a shame Hbox hasn’t taken the opportunity to eat a meal while playing using a box controller.

[@chrispo7610]

@Base Bass Forte lol

[@largenaq2935]

@Base Bass Forte huh

[@fma0420]

@Base Bass Forte But casuals don't need any of the benefits that Leffen gave as reasons why he is switching. They can just use GC controllers.

[@AkramSaheb]

Its for tendinitis issues

[@monosean1443]

i think leffen is trying to say that he wants to play on a wii u gamepad

[@beauharding55]

Literally my first comment in ten years watching youtube (in my memory) is asking for a leffen hand care video. LEFF PLEASE SHOW ME HOW TO NOT HAVE HAND PAIN ALL DAY LIKE I ALREADY DO

[@Section8dc]

Tbh there really isn't much you can do. Take long breaks in between playing, try to address what specifically causes the pain when you play, stretch you hands and warm them up first before playing, use ice and heat if you have pain after you are done, and lastly maybe think about switching what controller you play on. A smashbox might give you less pain for instance. Hand pain is mostly genetic unfortunately, two guys can both play on the same controller the same way and one have it and one not.

[@wh3elson]

Stop using the controller

[@grovestreet1520]

Good for you man. I really hope more of the community embraces these things for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I'll be rooting for you to have continued success throughout the transition. Seems like a real challenge but if anyone can do it, you can

[@MaxCoplan]

My favorite part is when Leffen is going over his biases and potential conflicts of interest. That's always in the back of my mind when watching a review, so seeing him get it out in the open from the start made the whole rest of the review much more convincing.

[@BURRDAWG_]

If only he knew what he was talking about

[@Ray-mj5mj]

My favorite part was him using the controller designed by someone he is actively trying to keep out of the scene, Hax$.

[@takoinche]

you know the game has really evolved when leffen says "the gamecube controller is not made for melee".

[@sandwich5985]

Next episode: “Why Im switching from boxx controllers.” He tries out an arcade stick. Next episode after that: “Why Im switching from arcade sticks.” He then uses a PS4 controller. Then lastly: “Why Im switching from PS4 controllers” He ends up using a GameCube controller.

[@gi5897]

Then he switches to DK bongos

[@andymondragon7093]

Then he switches to guitar hero controller

[@elitecombine5373]

Then switch to a Banana

[@hypertech116]

Then Leffen switches to a mind control headset

[@ilydyce]

whats next? VR???

[@michaeliedon6557]

i would love a vid on how to take care of your hands. as someone who loves smash but has joint pain

[@finge3786]

I just noticed that Leffen has a Christmas Tree in the backround in the middle of January

[@timothyhall4794]

It's Sweden. They're like 3 weeks behind.

[@LosEspookys]

Psh. Who takes down their Christmas tree so soon? Do you hate joy or something

[@NeZCheese]

In Sweden, holiday season lasts til January 13th with the traditional "Kasta ut granen" which means "to throw out the tree".

[@Drippy9000]

Interesting video, really looking forward to seeing you competing back!

[@stradeup207]

aged like milk

[@nintendope8837]

Ngl that meme interpretation was a mood

[@WoahItsGurenge]

the thumbnail is amazing XD btw love the video Leffen!!

[@jakob.conrad]

The stream today was great, I’m glad I caught it!

[@WatermelonFarmer36]

Im all about the hand health video!

[@jarroddobben]

No way Hax is giving Leff a free Boxx lmao

[@Cashmoneez]

do they have recent beef i've been pretty ootl

[@wondliii9046]

@@Cashmoneez i wouldn't call it recent lol

[@musicbox7601]

Lol frame1 really gave him a boxx for comparison

[@EEEEEE1337]

interesting topic! would love to see much more of it!

[@timfinn6042]

Can't wait for tournies to come back to see you get the number 1 spot!

[@EmptyHand49]

Yo is that Overcooked music? You know Leffen might not be so bad after all.

[@yarakharam5343]

he's a bit like vegeta, from villain to favourite.

[@ana4rae]

*depressive song begins to play*

[@cooperchance7720]

Thought this was gonna be clickbait. Was pleasantly surprised.

[@Blighted_Ashes]

Stand up!

[@necro9541]

@@Blighted_Ashes what

[@Blighted_Ashes]

@@necro9541 noone knows bout vanguard

[@isaiahdaniels5643]

I hit the like button, I subscribed. PLEASE make that hand care vid bro. Coming from you, techniques that you use to mitigate hand cramping mean a lot, and I want the secrets bro.

[@fluentcoding]

plups face was legendary LMAO

[@ivoalejandro1997]

I thought it was to smoothen the transistion from smasher to asmr streamer

[@robo-rex0239]

Is he doing this just to beat hax at his own game

[@AdxmRL]

the thumbnail IS SO GOOOOOOOOOOD

[@lanexyz]

Goomwave: allow me to introduce myself

[@moonshoes8931]

honestly, I kind of want that gc analog + fightstick face buttons thing

[@Windkiller]

*watching an entire video about controller switching* me: that hoodie looks super good what is that

[@osmiridium]

That hoodie does look super fucking cozy actually yeah.

[@Windkiller]

@@osmiridium fashion king leffen

[@blazemkds]

Good luck on learning it. I just cannot imagine losing the 360 degree motions you get from a normal stick, but combining both seems like a great idea.

[@Minwu325]

can't wait to hear about the smash stick

[@lambmaster27]

Make the “take care of your hands” video!

[@velerosarchive1098]

You seem like the target audience for the Smash Stick.

[@cameronmason4452]

The stick on the smash stick is horrible, can never replace the gamecube controller. That's why boxxes are better.

[@velerosarchive1098]

@@cameronmason4452 Do you own the latest iteration of the Smash Stick?

[@CosmosProvider]

Fine choice of background music my good sir

[@coolpikachufan01]

Welcome to the rectangle club! Stickless controllers are badass in Melee and FGC games, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself!

[@zachariahanderson4203]

An arcade stick style for melee I think would be the best. You can get traditional fighting game players into it and stop the poor hand health pandemic

[@Omareko]

I wanna know how I can take care of my hands

[@TheInfectous]

there are like tons of videos on hand stretches and hand health, you can adopt leffens strats later as well but that's no reason to wait.

[@mello_2586]

Awesome video! We need accessible reviews to compliment the really in depth ones!

[@filippoye609]

Did not expect an Overcooked soundtrack in a Leffen video lmao

[@zososteven64]

Lol it starts with my comment on the screen "leffen is a very cute gamer"

[@shivangpatel4640]

IM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE, MAKE A "Taking Care of Your Hands" VIDEO

[@jeffersonb2379]

Cranes review was super solid and informative 👍

[@ninoflorido9805]

Respect the change

[@dieklachst1675]

can’t wait for him to switch back when the panda global controller comes out

[@bugcatcherharold5315]

I would like to see how you're mapping the buttons (if that's something you can do).

[@osmiridium]

Also curious about this.

[@jetcrude]

Leffen don’t miss🎯🐐

[@thewaffleman7441]

Inb4 the PG controller changes your mind again :)

[@z_khas5819]

Hey william i have 2 questions: 1 how do you do things that requieres especific angles like a perfect wavedash, or fire fox angles? 2: how does the control recognize when you want to walk or run?

[@osmiridium]

Seconded!

[@finmin2k]

please william cheese answer us

[@jasonstroude1414]

Modifier buttons, search it up

[@wh3elson]

I tried one of these boxes before but quickly didn’t like it for that reason. So the boxes have these “modifier buttons” which you can hold that then changes what the certain buttons do. For example, let’s say one of the buttons is smash attack, by holding the modifier button that same button is now a tilt attack. Similar for running/dashing and all that. That’s one of the biggest reason why I think the box isn’t super amazing is that now you have to almost think of 2 inputs to do a single output, which is not impossible but takes a shit ton of time to get used to, so I think leffens idea of slowly going to the box will be a bad one. To get good at the box you have to go 100% at it or you’ll just get frustrated and go back to what you’re used.

[@seand2100]

Fire editing

[@fatalbert135]

Dude's only biased against the Boxx because he has beef with Hax$

[@lightbrand_]

Well, yes

[@danieldelagarzaarreguin4833]

That but also think part of it has to do with Boxx making setting up macros or coding extra behavior more accessible. He thinks all inputs should still done manually one at a time and doesn't think that sort of modding with macros should be tournament legal. Don't take my word for it, but remember reading something along those lines.

[@SnyderChips07]

Not really. Frame 1 light has similar specs to the b0xx at half the price. No reason to buy a b0xx over f1s in 2021

[@-8h-]

It's a sign: We're getting old.

[@wilsonjustwilson5680]

can’t wait to see your custom controller cuz I imagine those old chainsaw controllers with how you describe it lmao

[@andymondragon7093]

You ain't slick leffen. Pulling the drake meme on the thumbnail.

[@Celia_Dawn]

"Biased against the boxx for reason I will not get into here" damn, the hax$ drama is still going strong it seems

[@michael13849]

Can you fill me in. I stopped using twitter

[@awryri]

@@michael13849 hax is a part of the production of b0xx, leffen and hax have been in drama for years. He was the original writer of evidence.zip. A bunch of shit between them

[@ColossalM]

@@awryri I'm pretty sure Armada wrote up evidence.zip

[@NessKwik0]

@@ColossalM armada just witnessed a large part of the stuff and told hax about it. Hax had way more info outside of that as well which he put into evidence.zip

[@Amplifymagic]

Thanks to Zackray I’ve been a Pro Controller user since the beginning of Ultimate. It was hard to create new muscle memory from melee but it was worth it

[@renatus_7773]

I think he uses a gc controller now too lol

[@Pal0maSama]

My guy, Zackray switched to Gamecube controller

[@TheManaLord]

One of the biggest L's I've seen lmao

[@Amplifymagic]

@@TheManaLord lul you wannabes probably can’t even win a local tournament, I don’t care about your opinions

[@SinfulCadence]

@@Amplifymagic exactly. Imagine thinking being inspired to use a pro controller is an L just because the inspiration went GC. What a bunch of crabs in a barrel. Clearly Don't know what an L is.

[@viceroi9332]

Great stuff, can’t wait to see more F1 Leffen

[@nkirmath8621]

I need a hands care video, I've been getting into the FGC lately and I find that my hands can only get so much muscle memory at a time, I imagine it's because I don't take very good care of my hands so I'd love to see a video to teach me how to do this. Also congrats on winning evo, I was rooting for you the whole time.

[@patrickmcgrainor9407]

Anyone have a link to the hoodie hes wearing in the vid?

[@midchicken6599]

Porter robinson mirror hoodie, that's what he called it in a previous videos description

[@koelee]

Wait, why am I subscribed to this Leffen guy? What happened to William?

[@zviedelman9015]

Heh... that's amusing.

[@Leo98pm]

Now to wait for Leffen yeeting the boxx clips

[@Force95042]

This is so leffen I'm surprised he didn't do it sooner

[@jamonesbaratoskim8039]

i got a gamecube controller for last christmas and the adapter, so watching this make´s me feel kinda sad

[@BluuSkyz]

I have about 1800 hours of smash on my gamecube controller.. still going.

[@juliuscaesar9756]

Dont feel sad the vast majority of melee players use GCC, even pros

[@pleasestay24]

that asmr video awoke something in leff

[@bramchowder]

a full control scheme video would be sick in the future!

[@TRENTSINCLAIRE]

give him like a month and his fox is gonna be cracked the fuck out even more than on gcc

[@Alex-vm6ef]

i realize this is a joke but in 8-12 months it will be real

[@TRENTSINCLAIRE]

@@Alex-vm6ef nah no joke. i think people overestimate how long it takes to get used to these style controllers from the gamecube controller. granted i’m no leffen but it took me about a month to get up to snuff when i first started using a box style controller.

[@NessKwik0]

@@TRENTSINCLAIRE yeah BOXX is kinda fucked up. Used it for like 2 weeks of practice for a money match against a guy who told me boxx was harder then GCC and its the best i have ever played and probably ever will play with fox.

[@inchrist752]

30 dollars for a ground breaking controller with an even better system, while i get charged 70 bucks for 1 ps5 controller.

[@oliverrepp131]

*that also is very cheaply made and has constant quality issues, which leffen extensively talked about, while a PS5 controller is of really high quality with extremely luxorious features, like the insane rumble and the triggers.

[@russiangenome9643]

30 dollars in 2002 is 70 dollars today

[@kalebwrenchey]

They were selling for $20-30 brand new when the Smash 4 and Ult controllers first came out too lmao

[@galex3992]

@@russiangenome9643 Not even close, $30 in 2002 would be about $43 now.

[@aron1089]

@@galex3992 $43.44 to be exact, so yeah gamecube controllers cheap.

[@hechno9080]

The thought of Leffen someday losing in a tourney and spiking this kind of controller is honestly hilarious

[@YoumuKompaku]

I know it's been quite some time, and there's little chance this makes any difference, but I just found this video and I'm definitely looking forward to a comparison video. Regardless, thanks for all the great FGC content, wish you the best.

[@blason56]

Yeah sure, how about when you switched to Roy as your main for Ultimate, or when Young Link was your new main...

[@danieldelagarzaarreguin4833]

He's going to swap to mele puff. The reason he needs a box is all the extra inputs puff uses.

[@IanZWhite00]

lmao what the fuck is this comment

[@sakcto9893]

Those two or three people in chat are so toxic tho

[@ScoobyShooby]

The nunchuck is completely fine for the left stick. You can fit in all the sticks you can put in a GCC and the short digital only press of L is what people try to emulate with plugs. Ive used all these boards and the B0xx is the most comfortable. It's not immediately noticeable, but after really spending time with these box style controllers, it does comeout to the most action with least awkward movements.

[@AniKhang]

Leffen thumbnail game is on point

[@TheLuxma]

Does somebody know what he has against the b0xx/hax$?

[@philippeaspirot8138]

They've hated each others guts for the longuest time, hax and leffen are always arguing on twitter etc. and I also believe (?) Hax was the guy who wrote down evidence.zip for the EU scene or something

[@SocknessMonster]

Me typing why I should be promoted to server owner: 11:35

[@scMarth]

Perfect gamer ergonomics =O

[@kevinbaizan8244]

im here for the thumbnail👍

[@beansfebreeze]

For the algorithm: Leffen has a terrible take on KH3

[@jordannelson1910]

To be fair tho, kh3 had a lot of potential, and it kinda feels like they didn't take advantage of it. And this is coming from a diehard kh fan

[@jordannelson1910]

Oof

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

ITS BEEN LIKE 20 YEARS, WHERE IS THE SHITTY STORY GOING BROOOOO KH SUCKS

[@brae9119]

YOU’VE ABANDONED THE OLD WAYS!!! The harvest will be poor this year and the well will run dry!

[@heyitsmort7744]

Would love a full explanation vid (directions, etc) at some point!

[@kevincassidy2175]

Everyone Else: *discusses controllers* Me: IS THAT A PR NUTURE HOODIE??

[@dillpicklestudios4319]

This is a tragedy can we get an F in the chat

[@BloodyYTNamingNonsense]

F

[@firelifeblizzard8782]

I hope Leffen's okay, he seems so weirdly angry in this video

[@MartyrLoserKing]

I can’t believe you’ve done this

[@peksacola]

would love to see a smash stick review!

[@LS-td4yf]

Claim your here after stream ticket

[@discreet6951]

Isn’t leffen the one who complained about lazy TO’s letting them use the box? I love you bruh but can you stop the being complete epitome of hypocrisy 😂

[@linvega671]

TIL changing your opinion means you're a hypocrite

[@discreet6951]

Ian Eisaman changing your opinion is an ALRIGHT thing to do. Maybe you haven’t been around the smash scene long enough to see all “these moments”, and I’m not belittling you or trying to downplay your knowledge/experience (feel like I needed to clarify that since it’s the internet and people read comments the wrong way sometimes lol), but to go off on a spree of critiquing TO’s and tourney runners calling them “retarded”/overall insulting their intelligence and gamesmanship for allowing style boxes..... and then finding out how much you enjoy/perform better when using, change your “opinion” on the subject without addressing old comments made to others about the subject. It’s just genuine leffen and I love him and his personality to death but this is CAP😂😂😂

[@Ins0mnia]

Trying to be transparent about sources of bias is pretty sick, good vid.