Why Is Everyone Buying This CPU?

[@Lemoncit0]

AMD has been at the top for years but the Steam Survey won't change that much because there's millions of old machines that might only get replaced every 5-10 years

[@Tranquillow2]

Then, there are laptops, which Intel still has a foothold for some reason

[@mastroitek]

Indeed. Like my second machine has a 7700k and it will stay so for another half decade at minimum.

[@sporemaster97]

@@Tranquillow2 AMD powered laptops are slowly gaining ground

[@chadbizeau5997]

​@@Tranquillow2supply. AMD aren't able to supply enough chips because TSMC

[@nupagagyi]

Also people who upgrade from 1600 to 5600, or am5.

[@mechtechpotato4249]

My guess is the intel dominance on the steam hardware survey is old systems and laptops.

[@t.r.2283]

Yes. I don't see a reason to upgrade.

[@iHazMuffinz]

true but give milionaire linus a break, he sounds more and more out of touch with how much normal people actually upgrade and/or can afford.

[@XDRosenheim]

And prebuilds.

[@michaelbong8509]

I can attest to that. I’m still using my 7 year old gaming laptop intel core i5 that I’ve had since grade 7

[@corey2232]

Which is why I roll my eyes when people say "the majority of gamers are still gaming at 1080p according to the Steam Survey!" Sure, if you account for alllllllll the old systems & budget laptops, and people who login once a year or play a single old game. But if you could isolate the actual daily/frequent users who buy & play new games consistently, I highly doubt the majority are still at 1080p.

[@JohnHoggard_aka_DaddyHoggy]

Last month I upgraded from my ancient i7-4770 PC to a 5700X3D build - blown away by this £180 CPU. No regrets going AM4.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Yeah, Am4 is still the budget king. As long as people still buy Raptor lake, Am4 will still be a valid option.

[@brainpaulino]

i have 7 5700x3d+ rx 7800xt 💥💪

[@Andrey543100]

@@brainpaulino r7 5700x3d+ rtx 4070 ti super, for qhd gaming.

[@LeonardTavast]

I upgraded to the 5700X3D literally an hour ago.

[@heatnup]

Anything would have blown your mind at that point

[@BBROPHOTO]

It's purely because of the 7700K / 1080Ti era. It's still good enough for 99% of 1080P gaming... and thus look at what the average res / refresh rate is on Steam. I'm aware it's obviously influenced by every computer with Steam (like low end notebooks at 15 year old computers)

[@cestus4186]

It’s true I just last week replaced my old intel 1080 system

[@TheThirdTwin]

I still have a 7700k so I can at least vouch for that.

[@lsq7833]

I only replaced my 5820k system with a 7800X3D a few weeks ago. Most people's CPU's last them at least 4 or 5 years... if not close to 10 years like me.

[@sporemaster97]

I'm still running my R5 1600 (not f) from almost the same time as the 7700k. Those 1080s definitely swaying the GPU side, but AMD has been common since the same time as the 7700k (January '17 for 7700k, April '17 for R5 1600)

[@EruAnor]

I'm still rocking a 6700k in my old computer that my wife uses now. Current build has a 13700k but I wish I had gone AMD instead.

[@12_Feet_Up]

Most consumers don't build their own PCs. Looking at which CPUs are selling on Amazon doesn't tell us which CPUs are going into all those prebuilt PCs

[@jonhattanrai]

And the biggest buyers are companies, and they buy directly from a sales person from the brand instead of Amazon 😅

[@SWOTHDRA]

Truth

[@o0shad0oo]

Yup, and Intel is doing a bang-up job marketing to commercial PC producers. Roughly 2/3 of prebuilt gaming PCs I'm seeing use Intel (and often not great Intel CPUs either).

[@ZeroUm_]

5800X3D owners are only going to change when the second CPU in AM6 launches. It's that amazing.

[@BeavisVolg]

well im on a 5700X3D that I got for Black Friday coming off a R5 3600 and I think I'll change when AM6 launches because AM5 will drop in price and I will be able to rebuild a pc with the higher end components of the AM5 socket which seems like it works the best moneywise to do. I could've upgraded to AM5 this black friday but it would've cost me at the very least 300-400 usd more so I kept it AM4 until AM5 becomes current AM4 price. I decided to use the AM5 upgrade money on a RX 7800XT since the 3060 12gb OC that im using now is not good for my 1440p 144hz monitors

[@EkiToji]

I upgraded to a 5600 from a 1600 and was tempted to get the 5800X3D instead but by that point my motherboard was already old enough already. It was a nice little stopgap measure of an upgrade but within the next year I'll likely go to a 9800X3D mostly to get more and faster M.2 slots. Plus that whole USB-C thing.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Truth

[@ShirosCh]

Well, I temporarily upgraded my 3600x to 5700x3d so cpu can handle my new 4080s, but thinking of moving on am5 cuz of new usb4 and pcie 5. (I don't think I will upgrade gpu in 3-4 years for sure).

[@GiulianoMazzina]

I have a 5800x and that is actually my intent. AM6 after the growing pains.

[@pouriyamehr]

The 7800X3D even hit €329 before the 9800X3D launched where I live; now it starts at €499.

[@ArtisChronicles]

Seems like someone trying to clear some stock before the new product launched lol

[@muckelchen7327]

Got mine for 350€ back in march. It's insane how expensive it got in just a few months.

[@DerSattler]

i paid 355€ in April for my 7800x3d

[@worldzealot]

I got my 7800X3D about 2 weeks before they announced the 9800X3D for $325.00 US. Guess i got it before everyone started raising the price. I did get it in a bundle from Microcenter and i actually got it 1 day before it completely sold out. Upgraded from a 3700X which is still very good and never had any issues but the 7800X3D is by far better for gaming. Plus i gave my 3700X and 2080 Super to my 9 year old Nephew which will be good enough for 5-10 years especially for the games he currently plays.

[@drasticscene]

7800X3D at 15th sep 2024 - €414. less than ~1month later it went up to 430-€450 and nowadays it's at 490-€513.. while 9800X3D starting at €560 .

[@Jzwiz]

Never forget folks, if you live in the us and have a microcenter by you, the cpu will be even cheaper. At one point in bundles the 7800x3d was like $200

[@cz5836]

Only a handful of cities have one, so this is mostly non advice for the majority. Respectfully, speaking.

[@tancar2004]

And just checking my local microcenter. They have the 9800x3d in stock. Though they don't have a bundle for it. They do have a 7800x3d bundle for $600

[@Kingdom533]

@@tancar2004 Not online, but they do offer 9800x3D bundle in-store (at least my nearest one did) with either a B650 or X670E MB + FlareX-6000 mem.

[@jackbro655]

Yeah, i don't but i think Micro Center has an exclusive r5 5600x3d and it performs amazingly.

[@Jzwiz]

@@cz5836 it wasnt intended for the majority, it was intended for the few americans in reach of one.

[@QuickQuips]

Yeah. It's remarkable how nice the 3d cache improved things. Came from a 1700.

[@matthewcane0]

@@QuickQuips I just upgraded from a 1600 to a 5700X3D, the difference is incredible

[@MeaadTheSavage]

Which 3D chip did you pick up? @QuickQuips

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Same here.

[@hughjassstudios9688]

It's also the speed boost. I came from a 2950x to a 7950x and got double the single core performance with a smaller cooler

[@itsmilan4069]

0:56 well people don't usually have a yearly upgrade for cpu like their phone

[@TheLinkhawkins]

Most people do not update their phone year over year.

[@pannekoekcom4147]

These are only desktop CPU's, laptops might still be even playing field

[@hananas2]

No one upgrades their phone yearly anymore. And if they do, they shouldn't anymore.

[@paradebu1603]

we dont upgrade our phone for 3-4 years

[@w0lfgm]

And even a phone is something that lasts 2 years

[@ClamChowder95]

I scored a 7600x3D on Black Friday. Its nice. Whatever the current x3D chip ends up being down the road will be a valid upgrade path too. Intel has a lot of work to do win me back.

[@zayam5401]

@@ClamChowder95 for how much?

[@ClamChowder95]

@@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about any potential tariffs.

[@ClamChowder95]

@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about potential price hikes with the future presidential administrations coming in.

[@benjiro8793]

Hate to tell ya, but its really overpriced for the fps your getting on that one (if we compare it to the actual MSRP prices of all the CPUs, and not the inflated stuff of now). Those black Friday deals at 289 euro are not really deals. Basically buy a 5700X3D + MB + Cooler, is the same (often cheaper) price, for a slightly lower FPS.

[@AnEagle]

​@@benjiro8793but the fact that you're on a modern platform means that he won't need a new motherboard and ram next upgrade, so we'll see

[@TAINCER_]

I’m someone from that Intel chart. Been on 6th gen intel for a while now, considered upgrading some times now, but it’s just not worth it. All modern games I play (real 3d games, and not LoL, etc) are giving me 100+ frames, which is still plenty for me. Windows 11 also works great on it. (Slightly overclocked)

[@jackbro655]

Fair enough but I'm curious what do you usually play?

[@HardWhereHero]

My kiddo runs my old 7700K and I can tell you there is a huge difference. If you play over 60 FPS that is. I upgraded to a 12700KF for less than $220 and I love this chip its fuckin fast. I don't care what the AMD guys say, Intel 12th gen is an amazing platform. If Intel didn't try to use silicon from 70 years ago maybe 13th and 14th gen would have been decent.

[@zjunk4877]

@@HardWhereHero 12th gen is hands down the best value you can buy today. Probably why I've built like 5 of them recently. AMD can't even come close to the performance per dollar for gaming or production. Hell, even 13th and 14th gen have seen some solid price cuts and the 14900k is approaching $400, plus the instability issues have been fixed. (I guess that's one upside to 15th gen's release.) The AMD fanboys are just really loud bragging about gaming performance at a resolution no enthusiast plays at with a graphics card no one owns. Ironic all the years AMD fans cried about Intel prices for having the gaming win, but magically it's OK if AMD charges far more for the exact same reason? 🤣 AMD was the value king then. Intel is the value king now.

[@Morrodin182]

@@HardWhereHero The thing is, yes AMD chips are beating intel however at a certain point it doesn't matter. 200+ frames on a display with 170 hz refresh rate is meaningless... the monitor isn't going to refresh faster magically. On top of that as soon as you value quality of graphics over pure framerate your GPU becomes much more important than your CPU. So yeah, in all fairness to AMD... they are the better option at this moment, however it actually doesn't matter for the average user. Also, the whole Intel is bad vibe on KZbin is overdramatization. Yes, Intel dropped the ball with 13th and 14th gen I7/I9 CPUs. The issue is also resolved by now. On top of that 12th gen, like what you rock, is perfectly fine. Heck I upgraded earlier this year from a 7th gen I7 and the problem of that PC wasn't really the CPU but actually the GPU and the fact it rocked an obsolete HDD instead of SSD.

[@selim_ct]

Everyone should want a good and balanced competition between AMD and intel. The only way to drive innovation and actually give these giant corporations a reason to try to cater to their customers is for there to be a viable alternative.

[@fujinshu]

And if that can’t happen, make that happen with regulation.

[@danortiz]

You might not be old enough but AMD had unlockable cores on CPUs

[@fujinshu]

@@danortiz And Intel was bigger than AMD anyway because of collusion with Microsoft and pretty much every Windows OEM at the time. Which the EU did sue over, but then Intel just had to pay the cost of doing business and their karma has come back to bite them in the ass.

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

Intel just doesn't want to be the Viable Alternative though

[@ChIMeRaTeX]

This blackfriday I upgraded my old AM4 build from a R5 2600X + GTX 1060 6GB to a 5700X3D + RX 7900XT, and I haven't regretted staying on AM4 and spending more on the GPU a single second so far.

[@jajssblue]

Little sibling effect. Lots of hand me downs and secondary market entry level systems.

[@rivo8774]

As someone who keeps up with what's going on in the CPU world, AMD does look like the most promising buy to me right now. That being said,I bought an i7-9700 five years ago, and upgrading will take a new motherboard and likely new ram as well which makes the process of switching to a new cpu (let alone AMD) a significant hassle. Combine ppl like me with prebuilts and laptops and it makes sense how intel is still on top, though as you said they'll likely continue to bleed in the steamcharts

[@Jupex]

Gonna switch my i7-8700k to Ryzen CPU soon, when I do a full system upgrade. He's been through a lot i think he deserves the rest o7

[@priceless073]

this is literally only reason im still on a intel

[@naam_loos]

I'm on an i7 6700 and the cpu is starting to go below the minimum requirements on steam, so I'm considering an upgrade to everything except GPU

[@calebpipet]

I just swapped my 8700k for a 5700x3d and I've gained over a 50% increase in 1440p. 3060ti

[@Yurk2]

I recently upgraded my I7 8700 to the 9800X3D. Night and day difference

[@PontiacKid2]

@@calebpipet That's similar to where I came from. 8600K to 5800X3D

[@donwanthemagicma]

Crazy thing about that processor as well is if you have a micro center they have the bundle that is literally the same price as the processor by itself and you get a motherboard processor and RAM

[@G4naD]

AMD CPU and Intel GPU being the ideal setup, what a time to be alive

[@ryankurtz5144]

I’m just excited to see the 7600X3D introduced to the broader market outside of Micro Center.

[@kazuviking]

12100/400F overclocked is still the goat of budget cpus in the EU.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Outside the US Intel is still king. Most businesses love Intel CPUs for productivity tasks.

[@BobTheChainsawMan]

But aren't they locked chips? I thought you couldn't OC them.

[@kazuviking]

@@BobTheChainsawMan Some motherboards can do BCLK overclock. The 12400F at 5.2GHz matches the 7500F in 90% of games.

[@kazuviking]

@@quisqueyanguy120 12100F 70€ or 12400F 120€ + B760M PG Riptide 115€ + CL30 6000 32gig ram 100€. This budget combo can give you a really good upgrade. The 12100F at 5.1GHz matches the 5600X overclocked while the 12400F at 5.3GHz the 7500F in 90% games.

[@jean-charlesweyland129]

@@kazuviking ASRock B760m PG Riptide is the cheapest one to allow BCLK OC (only on 12th gen btw). A 12490F at 4.6GHz all cores matches and even beats a 7500F at 1440p.

[@Sharan25]

old Intel was goated

[@ZettabyteGamer]

They became fat, lazy, and greedy. They got what they deserved and so will AMD if they follow the same path.Competition works.

[@DuvarcdanCaldmGuzelmi]

@@Sharan25 same CPUs in every Gen

[@BrendanGeormer]

How old? Fairchild-killing Intel? DRAM-era Intel? 8086 Intel? Hitting 1Ghz and carrying Moore's Law Intel? lol

[@gamerybits7480]

Old here hints to pre-2010s intel.

[@g1mmedatdome284]

Yeah okay... they were lazy and released lazy, barely updated tech year after year, because there was almost no competition. Clocks have gone up like 40% in the 8 years they've had some real competition.

[@raediantz3192]

I quite literally bought a 5700X3D earlier this week to keep my AM4 system chugging along. It's replacing a 2700X. I only game at 1080p (until my monitor dies at least...), and upgrading to a whole new PC would be pretty pointless.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

You are set for 4 more years. And then whatever happens right?

[@avtips4779]

1:14 your sponsor for a video about intel losing market share, is a pc equipped with an intel cpu

[@TheFTPchannel]

@@avtips4779 its almost like thats what marketing is made for

[@MrXaniss]

Lots of people just haven't upgraded for a while or cannot affoed newer stuff, and of course, 5-6 years ago intel was mostly ahead still. And before that they were WAY ahead.

[@Celatra]

@@MrXaniss 5 years ago was 2019. they were barely ahead.

[@MrXaniss]

​@Celatra in gaming performance Zen 2 was still like 10% behind, but they were cheaper and top end ones had way more cores. In 2020 with Zen 3 is when they took the lead. Edit: Love it when KZbin fucks up the reply.

[@fujinshu]

Thanks, Wintel cartel!

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

You Mean before 2018?

[@agamersinsanity]

it took me 8 years before I upgraded but i doubt i will buy a new PC in the future.

[@jovyflow007]

5:24 $121 for shipping on those ram sticks is crazy!

[@sharktooh76]

Steam survey is not correct bacause it includes everything...including notebooks without discrete GPUs

[@NightSyndicate]

​@@sharktooh76 bingo 👍 is also random.

[@6hughmungus9]

That doesn't make it inaccurate in any way whatsoever. What even is your point here? That only high end gaming PCs should be considered valid for a hardware survey?

[@EduardoSantiagoDev]

that's how it should be. It should include every kind of user and be random...

[@TheGamingNorwegian]

@@6hughmungus9 It does tho, because here were talking about desktop CPU`s. Laptop CPU`s are still quite different, and cant be upgraded like a desktop.

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

@@6hughmungus9 It should at least be filterable. 'show only systems with discrete GPUs' and such.

[@scrambyeggs1000]

Bought my 7800x3d for 370 during summer. Wasn’t mad at all when the 9800x3d came out.

[@bagofsunshine3916]

yea, i spend €355,- on a 7800X3d in february. Stil very very happy with that purchase.

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

Back during Prime Day 2, the 5700X3D was on sale for $180-$190. At that price range, LGA 1700’s price advantage (w/ a DDR4 board) erodes somewhat especially now that both sockets are “dead platforms”, and that only applies to 12th gen since everyone’s afraid to buy a 13th/“14th gen” intel because of CPU-dying-issues 7800X3D I remember at 1 point as low as $350 several months ago, but I think AMD pulled a RTX4090 hence the high price now for the 7800X3D

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Am4 is not dead yet, AMD just launched 2 more CPUs for Am4 on October, that was a month ago.

[@Flying_Jorts]

I just built my girlfriend a PC with a i712700KF and a 6750XT for Christmas. I love how quick it is just in normal windows use. It will be perfect for her. I put an 9800x3D in my rig.

[@DevilChowder]

You completely forgot about the huge sale that the 7800x3d went on for. About 250 dollars for one of the best gaming cpus on the market. Im so lucky i boutht mine then

[@EvilTony2012]

wait what

[@Steamrick]

I don't think it ever went below $350? Did you typo?

[@mateusbmedeiros]

Yikes? What do you mean yikes? Things are shifting in a big way and my body is ready for it. One of the biggest pleasures in life is witnessing a company getting complacent because of dominance and having that dominance finally snatched away from it because of a less complacent competitor.

[@MiriaJiyuu]

Yep, right now AMD is holding it in new systems, but it does seem like they might be getting to the end of the road on the Ryzen architecture and Intel's core series is new. I'm excited to see what will happen as these are usually the best times for hardware.

[@bcraftr]

People who got the 7800x3d like a year ago are the real winners

[@Bottlecapy]

I did a gaming upgrade to a 5700X3D from a 5900X. It’s been a nice improvement!

[@shadowman2469]

From a ryzen 9 5900x to a 5700x3d was an improvement how and where?

[@jackbro655]

Both CPUs are amazing i don't think it was a necessary upgrade lol, but I'm glad you are enjoying that CPU, I ordered mine and it'll arrive on the 20th Dec (r7 5700x3d)

[@LatvianVideo]

@@shadowman2469 x3d cache power

[@Bottlecapy]

5700X3D gets a gaming improvement of up to 30 percent compared to a 5900X. The 3D V cache is a game changer. Mainly noticeable is the better 1 percent lows which smooths out the frame rates considerably.

[@drackar]

Steam hardware survey is based on any system that has a steam account that gets random selected for the thing. Lots of older systems, pre-builts, and laptops. DIY PC having a higher adoption rate of higher end/ non intel/NVIDIA parts isn't going to touch that market, because the _vast majority_ of gamers aren't gaming on DIY hardware. Until Dell and HP start prioritizing better parts instead of their brand partners... well, we're stuck in a monoculture.

[@andrewachkar]

7800x3d here with 32GB DDR5 RAM and 4070ti Super, im running any game @ 1440p at high/ultra settings at 150+fps, the 7800x3d is very much worth the money

[@lancerlancesnafon2048]

i Have a 7950 x3d with my build we nearly the exact same build

[@vilotarian]

Have the exact same build. Couldn't be happier with the thing.

[@Greedy-Allay]

nobody cares really

[@definitelyfunatparties]

I have a 5700X and a 4080 because I didn't waste money on a 7800X3D, so I'm running any game except Cyberpunk, and Wukong (I haven't played Alan Wake but I'm sure it'll be the third one) @4K at max settings at 100+ FPS *shrug*

[@joshdudeck2163]

I'm glad I saw your reply on this. Was going back and forth between am4 or upgrading to am5. Sounding like 5700x3d and spend the savings on 4080

[@kwedl]

Makes sense that Intel has a big userbase since lot of people have laptops with intel chips without even knowing or use an older system. It's same with 1366x768 resolution being high up until recently. It doesn't mean that everyone specifically went out to buy a 1366x768 screen. It would be nice to have a desktop CPU only filter for the survey.

[@TechDunk]

Steam doesn't use sales data tho It uses what people currently use, and many gamers aren't on a brand new PC

[@akula9713]

My PC is 10 years old. Plays the games I like. It has an Intel processor. It’s had a new graphics card, water cooler, psu, and an SSD. The original parts are the case, RAM, processor and motherboard. Might upgrade new year. Might treat myself.

[@notCAMD]

Why would you be a fanboy of a chip company?

[@opticalsalt2306]

When the chips are in your favor…

[@just_2swift]

@@opticalsalt2306 or flavor.... Doritos all day!

[@danielgriffith8911]

Intel were basstids for many years... I think its more anti-Intel than AMD fanboi

[@CoreStarter]

Amd is legit better in every way right now, with how dogshit the last 2 Intel gens are, especially since everyone who doesn't keep up with the latest Intel blog posts is going to have a dead 13/14th gen in a year or 2 because of the vmin shift bug and with how badly arrow lake is bombing, as someone whose owned oy Intel chips willingly since the 2400k and used Intel core and core duos while growing up Intel is kind of a dogshit company in terms of it's newest products

[@levi7581]

I have everything for my first build but my CPU (7700x) which went out of stock the day I set out for buying everything. That was nearly two weeks ago, it has been out of stock on every European Amazon since then, nowhere else is comparable in price to that deal and I hope it gets back in stock soon so I can get it and test out all the components before the 30 day amazon return period ends...

[@Adisian-b1m]

Can't wait for the i8 15450ke 🔥🗣️

[@vereybowring]

I got a 5700X3D as an upgrade for my 3700X not long after launch. Well worth it if you want to stick with AM4 for now.

[@pringals]

I just got home from Microcenter where the 5700x3d was on sale for $180. I had a $50 gift card, so no brainer! I'm also replacing a 3700x. Can't wait to get this put in! Was budgeting an upgrade to AM5, but seen this deal and now I think I can wait until AM6 comes out. Excited!

[@reindeerdashie]

3700X user here considering the same upgrade. Did you notice any temperature increase considering the higher power consumption of the 5700X3D? Thanks ❤

[@itsmenotjames]

This will get lost in a sea of comments

[@chopa9019]

@@itsmenotjames real

[@newaccount877]

what happens if it doesn't?

[@danaa-]

Nah.

[@Dinik-x9r]

nuh uh

[@Some_Random_Teen]

Nah it won’t

[@ZypherGames]

I'm probably one of the intel results in the steam survey. I just upgraded from an i7-7700k system to a ryzen 7 9700x system. People upgrade their CPU's so infrequently that a lot of intel's previous market share is still using those platforms. But my 7700k was definitely showing it's age in games like BG3 and the newest CoD. Definitely made the games playable but the upgrade gave me massive gains, i didnt realise how crippled my system was by that generation of CPU until upgrading.

[@FoureyesZero]

The steam survey is completely unreliable because people in Asia go to internet cafes to play games and so a lot of people log into steam on the same machines which means the same machines gets logged many times in the survey making it useless.

[@letsgoooooo6628]

If you’re in a region outside the US, get a 7500f, no brainer. There’s no beating that price-performance, even within the US it’d be the best, but not sure how taxes and shipping chips from China works there today.

[@jonathanbrown1120]

still rocking my 8700k with 3090, high/ultra all games 180+fps

[@m3tz461]

good for you, now try to run rust with 400+ pop server, Lets see how many fps will the 8th can make :)

[@J.Wick.]

great combo. still have an 8700-2080 kicking around myself. If not for finding some killer deals, it'd still be my main. still runs everything at 2k med/high just fine.

[@felixarkang5414]

You are getting heavily bottlenecked you can most likely go down to 3070 and get similar fps.

[@BobTheChainsawMan]

Same, but I just bought a 9800x3d to finally replace my old 8700k! She's served me very well over the years.

[@nerolowell2320]

1440p

[@GTRMclaren722]

I have the 5700x, is the MVP, more than enough for 95% of any work or games.

[@blvk3]

intels number in the steam survey is heavily bloated by laptop users and pre-builts from people who have little knowledge about hardware. those people: 1) do not upgrade until their system is unusable 2) do not do much research and just buy whatever the shop told them to buy 3) buys outdated hardware without knowing due to brand recognition 4) they only play simple games that are not that demanding 5) kids that received a laptop that have little controls of what hardware they use because their parents are case 2 on this list, and they are not financially independent

or just playing obscure arcade games that REQUIRE intel cpu 💅

[@robertmusil1107]

That's not the point. Intel was superior for years.

[@benjiro8793]

Looks at people buying 500 ~ 800 Euro X3D CPU (and ONLY the CPU) ... Buy a brand new Minisforum 790i for 379 Euro = 7945HX (16 Core, 32 threads Zen 4) + ITX Motherboard with PCie 5.0, and heatsink, ... all in one package for 379 (389 launch price + coupon). Shakes head at people obsessing for X3D CPUs. Plays every game i own at 144fps 1440p (second hand 6800)... The moment you hit 1440p for gaming, your bottleneck is fast going to be your GPU ( if you do not shell out for a 700+ Euro GPU ). I do not understand people and their obsession with ignoring value buys because something can give then 5 to 40% more performance (depending heavily on the game, and the GPU or the resolution ). Unless a game is horrible optimized, its often not worth it. Here is a free FPS tip ... forget about DLSS/FSR/... Just go in your game settings, and remove some of those extensive and GPU eating filter effects that your barely going to notice on screenshots, let alone as your active game. Shadows ultra? F that, put them to medium if you really are not hitting your monitor max fps. Motion blur, off. AA, on 1440p, down the the lowest setting, you do not need X16!! Reality is, tons of performance for a bargain price if you shop smart! And are not the "I NEED THE LATEST OF THE LATEST BECAUSE MONEY BURNS A HOLE IN MY POCKET".

[@jhuh7770]

The reason the steam hardware survey is right because most gaming laptop or most laptops in general use Intel desktop is hosting amd

[@jhuh7770]

I misspelled mostly for some reason my autocorrect change it to hosting

[@Vas79]

@@jhuh7770 steam hardware survey keeps getting sampling Asian Internet cafe machines and those usually come with Intel/nvidia. It is largely misleading, that’s why you often see discontinued versions of windows getting market share here and there.

[@-ADHD]

Shoutout shahrad, he always struck me as someone who looks so cool and fly, but some how manages to always be so chill.

[@OliversTired]

Case hardened laptop? 0:49

[@ZboeC5]

It's a skin.

[@yassineatfi947]

i have R7 5700X and i'm happy with it😃😀

[@TimothyWhiteheadzm]

The steam hardware survey is based on people using steam. The sales of CPUs on amazon reflects mostly people building custom pcs. I don't know what percentage that is of people on steam but my guess is it would not be that high a percentage. At least in the past prebuilt systems were more common than custom ones. I myself custom choose my parts but get someone else to build it so I don't buy my parts off amazon but rather off the builder.

[@thexgamer8240]

Because it’s the most wonderful time of the year… to go shopping.

[@FlyingCIRCU175]

AMD graphics: I'm babey AMD CPU: I'm Superman

[@_LGD]

AMD graphics are really good, even their integrated graphics chips hold up well for small games

[@boltlighting]

​@_LGDThe problem is they are the king of second bananas when it comes to GPUs, they have been living under Nvidia's shadow for too long

[@_LGD]

@@boltlighting as soon as the get Ray Tracing good to go they'll probably best Nvidia out of the park with actual power, they also need to get their driver software to be as bug free as they can but that's not that big of a deal

[@itsmilan4069]

​@_LGDthey need to fix pricing first we started rooting for AMD against Intel and Nvidia because of pricing but low and behold they have become the very thing they were meant to replace hope the ARC card don't end up like that but at this point I won't count on them too

[@walberparker7111]

it's all marketing, ray tracing is the worst shit that has happened to gaming in a very long time and unless you 100% want dlss amd is just plain better in raw performance, and I say this as someone with an nvidia gpu

[@jarmusmusic]

The Core Ultra rebranding will go down as the worst rebranding in tech history.

[@krix-alexstrasza2526]

I still find it crazy, that in the time it took me to afford a 5800XD, we are now on Ryzen 9000 X3D chips :/ mostly cause GPU prices and a grand end to my EVGA GTX 1080 FTW due to the exploding VRM issue. This has been a shit show for me since that happened in 2019 and the shortage hit. I'm about ready to give up on this all. After over 10 years this is killing my hobby and largest talent.

[@SuperKendoman]

I recently bought an 5800x to build my new pc. This is going from a pc that I've had since 2012 though. Well worth the money to get 5800x/x3d

[@DeadshotXer0616]

I went from Intel 9900k to AM4 5900x a year ago. In fact both of my builds are now AM4 and very pleased with the price to performance.

[@DreamerINC324]

Am4 will never die

[@quisqueyanguy120]

It will die, but by the time it happens AM6 will be in its prime

[@retrofuturistJL]

@@quisqueyanguy120 which is why im waiting. 5800x3D and havent run into a game i cant play at 100+ 1440p

[@calebpipet]

Just upgraded from a 8700k too a 5700x3d. Mindblowing. 70% increase in cpu bound games, no frame drops

[@s4yto]

yeah the 3D cache can be insane in certain titles

[@CanadianBakin42O]

1st

[@Dodener]

congrats on first

[@lukefiggins6851]

Not everyone is a LTT employee who gets a free $5000 upgrade every year or two. Most of us upgrade only 1-2 times a decade, and while theres no doubt who's on top atm, 5-10 years ago, it was a very different story.

[@rokero171]

Just don't forget that old Xeons and refurbished RX580s are a really big part of the Steam hardware survey.

[@SachinNayegandhi-ox3yv]

Ryzen 18 14900fks🗣️🔥🔥 still the best

[@_ErrorCode_]

I just bought a Ryzen 7 5700x for 60% off to replace my Ryzen 5 3600

[@tadana]

Anyone in 2025?

[@Hitechboy]

Me

[@swagatrout3075]

15th December 😅

[@Tothemoonsafely]

2021 here 🙋‍♂️

[@cem_kaya]

That gpu transformation was great !

[@FuzzeeDee]

I just upgraded from amd 3900XT to a 5900XT (16 core). Benchmarks showed an over 25% increase in performance on Linux Mint 22. All the upgrade I need platform wise.

[@GreyMetalProd]

I have bout three intel this year with 0 issues. I7-14700k, I7-14700 non-k and the I5-13500. No issues, no crashes, no overvolting. All on a Gigabyte z790 ud ax.

[@Yamartim]

I built my first pc back in 2020 with an r5 2600, and (thanks to being in Brazil where building PCs is especially expensive) never upgraded it until this last black friday with the 5700x3d when it had a decent price, basically came at the perfect timing for me and I expect to be using it for at least 5 or so more years

[@TrapXvll354]

Im rocking the i5 9600K and Its still kickin it, so im happy with it

[@0errab0]

I love the fact that AMD4 CPUs can be had for a song these days. My current rig cost me just under 800.00. I'm currently running AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor, X570 AORUS ELITE Mother Board, AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT and 128GB of DDR4 Ram.

[@Dirtyz1234]

Yeah, I just built my brother in law a 5700x3d system. He had a strict budget and I wanted to bump the GPU up as much as possible.

[@Alias_Anybody]

I mean up until Ryzen Intel was the default and up until 12th Gen at least a legit and reasonable option. People don't throw out their PCs every 3 years or so, therefore you'll probably only see the current AMD Boom to its fullest towards the end of the decade.

[@_nikk0]

had a 5 yr old set up that needed upgrade and scored a ryzen 9 5900x for $260, kept my b450 and just bought more ram, 12 cores for under $300 running faster than anything else out there with similar cost im running this set up to the ground

[@Dennisamzocken]

The majority of the steam hardware survey did not build their own system. The sales trend for individual system parts AWAYS and ONLY tells you the situation with enthusiasts.

[@Jomonji]

I managed to order a 9800x3d at the beginning of the month but it won’t arrive until just after Christmas. While I wanted it before Christmas, I’m just happy to have snagged one

[@ejtaylor73]

I think the one factor in Steam's survey not accounted for is people generally upgrade PC's around a 5 year average, so those with Intel right now, may shift to AMD for their next upgrade, and it'll take a few years before the survey catches up, and may be see a big shift.

[@TypicalNerds]

4:12 All I'm going to say is that around November, the 7800x3d shot up in price significantly, likely to boost profits around the holidays

[@scoredbuffalo31]

5:06 if you find it on aliexpress from the right seller, you can go even lower to $130. Although, it is a tray processor and will not be honored by AMD's warranty.

[@LewisWhittingham-h8h]

Wow Elijah looking great!

[@f.hohmuth6950]

I got my Ryzen 7 9800C3D yesterday and finished building my PC today and I love it. I can finally play Throne and Liberty Sieges without lag. My first AMD CPU and I hope it will be still as awesome the loger I use it. :)

[@Youguyfhdudhr]

1:50 what is up with the sudden cut Edit: after some debating, I concluded that its probably a cut Segway to the sponsor

[@james2042]

The 3600 vs 3600x issue was not only the cost, but the 3600 came with a cooler that was completely sufficient for its lower tdp. The result was the chip costed more like 80-100 dollars more and at that point the 3700 was simply the better buy, as it also, once again, came with a completely adequate cooler. Id say their biggest fault was including coolers with the cheaper non x skus. Or they could have priced them the same or very similar, but having one not include a cooler while the other does.

[@cliftongardner4367]

Just got a Ryzen 5 5600X, 32GB DDR4, and an Intel Arc B50 for about $400 all in. It’s a good time to be a budget PC gamer.

[@SirRedd]

I Just bought a 7700 and the differences between 7700 and 7700x were so minimal that you can even get the same performance than 7700x with overcklocking. It's not about choosing the more popular CPU, it's about what fits you the most and what you can get for a better price

[@templetonpeck1084]

I got a 5700x3d on ali express for 115 after shipping with a coupon code a few months ago. I have been using it for a while and have had no problems at all. It's amazing!

[@FoolOfATuque]

I recently built a 7800X3D machine for a lady, because of the Microcenter bundle. I thought it would get her son through high school even if we have you upgrade the graphics card in a year it two when he gets interested in more complex games.

[@VenturePictures]

Heres me with no issues on my i9 14th gen lol

[@AleksandrPapeko]

I'm very happy with my 5700X3D. Best upgrade I got for $170. I have it paired with a 4070Ti. I don't see myself upgrade for a long time. Maybe when the RTX 6000 series comes out?

[@XxthemonkeyxX]

0:56 that’s actually a pretty crazy headline, the intel execs gotta be imagining who’s next on the chopping block

[@WeatherBoyDesign]

i'm still on 8700k (delid) Intel, and I wish to upgrade to AMD 9800x3d. Unfortunately, they are all sold until January next year :( This is still an ok chip and makes me second guess my purchase in the future.

[@peterjohnson5872]

Got a 5700x3D from China for £125 ($157). Cannot beat that price/performance.

[@psionx1]

what linus is forgetting is that the i7-12700k exists. it has 8p cores and none of the issues of 13th or 14th gen and it can easily hold it's own vs the 5800x3d and 7700x.

[@ChatBot1337]

Just built my first desktop in over a decade a few weeks ago. Intel was not considered for cpu, went 7600X. Nvidia was not considered for gpu, went 7800XT. Unfortunately, Intel probably would've been considered for gpu if I weren't an early overachiever.

[@juubilo1509]

I feel like contents been popping off lately, keep it up guys

[@temzaqueue]

8:55 Oof, you caught me off guard... Well played :)