Why is Farming so Important in FGO

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[@canaldecasta]

That 120 10/10/10 won't build themselves.

[@fishy977]

wise words

[@GS_CCC]

The harder parts of 120 are the coins and grails tbh

[@scares3859]

I'll be farming for tsukihime

[@canaldecasta]

@GS_CCC more farm more quartz from bond ez coins

[@eslamatef8442]

​@@GS_CCC grails is literly the easist part after qp Hardest parts are the coins and the insane amount of exp it needs You farm 2 hours just to use them in a 4 minutes

[@rudcol8164]

i wish they would give us a better rate for secret gems

[@Truck-kun11]

It's quite simple, 90% of the game is farming with the other 10% being Bosses and CQ which are either from limited time events or you only do it once and then never again. If we had something like Weekly or Monthly Bosses that drop materials similar to Raids, I'm sure servants incapable of farming would be much better regarded.

[@GS_CCC]

We got with ordeal call 1T nodes with 1M hp servants you can do up to 3 times a day. It is still farming but you get to use STs that were previously useless most of the year. To fix the CQ only servants they would need to add like at least 3 weekly CQs with no revives/sup list with real rewards, and now way they are doing thatm

[@ToeSama]

The issue with farming that makes it such a huge chunk of the game's content is the abysmal drop rates. Sure you have things like the drop boosting CEs from the Advance Quests and stuff like that, but those are a bandaid over a gaping chainsaw wound really. It doesn't even begin to address the problem in any genuineness. I've looked at Servants in 4 different lights; Farmer, Boss Killer, Support and Complex. Complex is individuals who have niches they excel at, but that niche is so limited in scope you don't think about using them very often. Primarily because leveling them for these tasks feels like a waste of mats, or requires you to farm for hours and hours and hours in order to make them serviceable for those goals. Something I think they should do is like a bi-monthly rerun of older challenge quest content in the Chaldea Gate. Maybe as a way to get Lores we might have missed, or perhaps have them drop a Rare Prism or something else helpful if we've already gotten the Lore from it before. How to fix farming is simply to boost drop rates so that you can get at least 1 of the mats a node has to offer that isn't QP with each run. Burning AP with 1-2 (if lucky) drops out of like four runs is important, but dull. The game doesn't respect my time outside of the monthly events it feels like, which is why people bitch about downtime in the first place. Of course, I doubt the devs will want to make it super easy to farm up materials, but when some people need like 200+ of certain bronze mats, it's not like it will be quick even if they give us 6 a day...

[@pokemaniacqolem6495]

just a small thing to add onto this... with the 4 "lights", one big issue that also comes up... Farmer with Supports is also a Boss Killer, in effectively 99% of content. I've been "farming" CQs for a long time now, usually entering blind into them with "aoe with advantage", and it just kinda works. The game does a poor job at promoting "non-farmers" for any content. Grail fronts were nice, but how often do we get those? :p

[@zhanglee4707]

As a veteran FGO player, I don't need any more farming servants. Already got NP5 LV120 Space Ishtar for arts farming. NP5 Lv120 Melusine for buster farming and challenge quests. Working on NP5 Lv120 for Arash and Habetrot for a big grenade. I only use them to farm during lotto or lotto-like events. Using random teams to slowly bring everyone to at least bond 9. Looking for supports or challenge quest killers.

[@Uglybuttuglysister0]

I’m with you too , I’ll the meta farmers and supports(as of right now ) if I get my Arjuna later to NP4 to NP5 and get lady Avalon and ruler skadi I’m good. That 120 Arash is a cannon ; a nuke +plugsuit

[@abarr2951]

My only issue is that some Servants require an insane number of a certain type of material that has lousy drop rate; or just lousy luck for supposed good drop rate

[@mikyeediaz120]

Me when realized some units just want to have 30 mats of certain things and I just smile :') That's like 90 for 3 skill for that level x_x

[@GS_CCC]

Its not that insane if you do the math, most times you just need to farm some days of natural AP to get it.

[@RomanticSwordsman249]

Something Pokemon Masters has that I really like is the weekly Champion Stadium, a rotating boss gauntlet that has different types each week and gives some minor rewards for doing it once a week and the gauntlet works like a knockout where you can't use units you used in the previous round in any other, plus it allows you to work for a high score for more rewards by modulating certain conditions or buffs into the fight so you get to use a good variety of your units on a relatively consistent basis, a lot of their challenge events work like that where they encourage you to use as many different units as possible and I think that'd be neat for FGO instead of relying on the player using the same farmer over and over until they get bored and want to try something new

[@neves783001]

So, kinda like the Tower Events and the ORT raid, except on a fairly casual level? I'm all in for that. I'd like to bring my less-used Servants into battle every now and then.

[@RomanticSwordsman249]

@@neves783001 Yeah, they're a little harder than that at max level but there's usually only 5-10 stages per week and the difficulty is very customizable, Masters has struck a good balance where having more units means you win more and have more options rather than powercreep locking you out of content like some games which is nice

[@mikyeediaz120]

I understand that farming is important. But since I prefer to enjoy the game at my own pace, I tend to farm only when there are lottos or events so I could clear everything from the shops. Farming whenever outside of events can be tiring for me. I salute to others who continue of course. This is just my opinion and how I play the game in the end. I prefer not to get burnt out or tired too fast just by farming all the time.

[@wat146]

I am only 3 turning during lottos and natural AP free quest farming. Event quests I actually brawl more often than not until the best node opens up, especially if it is beneficial to use the event servants and CEs.

[@ryan7337]

Farming is important only because the community has pushed the importance of farming (and specifically min-turn farming) so much, and for so long. And look, that isn't to say farming has no importance in the game. For new players, getting a core base/toolkit/set of servants up and running is a good thing to do. The game is balanced around servant base and skill levels (that's why they lower the CD of skills at ranks 6 and 10; the real power balancing aspect of servants). But... farming falls off. Over time, you're collecting more materials than you're spending. Certain materials stop being required. You've powered up all the servants you want to power up. The whole "farming is 90% of the game" is a fallacy, for two reasons: for one, you never have to do it, but more seriously, it stops being something you need to do as time goes on. Eventually, farming will become only 70% of what you do, then 50%, 30%, all the way down to some single digit percentage (when you get that brand new servant you wanted). I know this is my endgame mind analyzing this; my account is 2000+ days old, I have all the servants I want), and all the servants I would ever think of even using 1% of the time are maxed out. For all intents and purposes, I'm done "farming" FGO. It's as much of a percentage of the game as I want it to be. New players aren't going to be there, I know that. But in time, they will be. There's only so many servants you can use at once, and for the people who want to max everything for everyone, go for it, but that's not a realistic representation of the player base. That said, even before my account hit endgame, all the way back when I first started playing FGO, I didn't farm shit. It was simply never needed. The second Nerofest came out when my account was roughly 5 months old; I full cleared it, no CS used. I had six servants built: Mash, FSN Cu, Emiya, Herc, Saberlot, and Drake. Those six would be the same six I cleared all of FGO 1.0 with; I didn't start leveling Hans, my 7th servant, until Shinjuku released. Sure, there's the friend support Waver in all of that (we ain't had shit like Castoria back then), but that's always been something new players can readily access; they're the FP generators for older accounts, after all. Certainly, the game wasn't easy, playing it this way. Trying to squeeze the value out of servants like old Emiya and Drake in some boss fights and CQs? Not something I'd necessarily recommend to most players. But it was doable. I learned A LOT about actually playing the game. And really, that's what I see farming in FGO being; the more you do it, the less you need to learn about playing the game, because you have the raw firepower to turn your brain off, and win. Especially if you use CS or the revive cubes (nothing wrong with that though; they're there for a reason, use them if you want, no judgement from me). I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with focusing on farming. If that's what you want to do, go for it. It will absolutely make your time easier. It absolutely has it's place. But I can say I've never cleared an event shop fully in my life. I've never farmed more than 50 boxes in a lotto before I got so bored I couldn't do it no more, even with min-turning. I've never needed to; no one ever needs to in this game. I don't think how I went about playing the game is the "right" way to do it, nor do I think people should go about playing the game as I did. I wouldn't, if I had to redo it all over again (trying to clear some CQs before events ended were cutting it close, to say the least). What I do think, however, is that the community has zeroed in on farming to the point it's become a brain rot, and a detriment. An AOE servant being unable to min-turn farm is not inherently bad and an automatic skip. 90% of the content that comes out for FGO might be meant for farming, but farming is only however much of the game you make it. Farming isn't relevant forever, and really, it's not relevant at all, if you don't want it to be.

[@sirsquiggles1584]

The happiest moments in the game are when your 45% 3-turn farm goes off. The saddest moments are when your 95% 3-turn farm misses

[@shauqiharris2772]

Yes farming is important but you should also make sure you rest and take a break from FGO to avoid burnout from FGO.

[@muhammadharisarrahman153]

I'm currently in the state of fine with materials, but low on exp and Qp. Trying to max skill all good servants is hella expensive

[@tsonic73]

The 5star ember farms is best for gathering embers, it's the highest lvl node and it's thanks to this being added almost all of my servants are maxed lvled, but the qp drain is crazy lol

[@Darkmagician84]

Single target servants are not very useful because you cant farm with them which is 90% or more of the game. Then even if you do have a challenge quest you will only use the correct class to fight the boss, so that actually makes single target servants useless in more than 99% of the fights. Then...some AoE servants can also be used for challenge quest anyway. For example you wouldn't bring single target Andromeda to fight a berserker boss, I would rather use my AoE Hokusai.

[@GS_CCC]

They already added ST nodes with Ordeal call on JP. They are the easiest to 6-slot/get the best comp variation there, so worth farming.

[@fishy977]

I think it's sad when players start judging servants based on their farming capabilities even though they were not designed for that. Tbh, me too. Just cos of how convenient a battery can be.

[@GS_CCC]

Problem is that the game was designed around farming 99.9% of the time. Even if the servants is better for CQs/bosses you will judge them on the job they will be doing the most. Especially when you have follow/sup list and free team revives with commands and blue cubes to skip the challenge.

[@blaneonthemoon2507]

I think its nice that you make videos that invite different opinions even if theyre controversial. It invites conversation.

[@ZTL]

I love getting different takes from different players with different experiences.

[@figurecollector5796]

Good video. Thanks! I'd love to see a video of your suggestions to improve FGO. There is so many areas where they could improve. One thing that FGO suffers from, like all games this old, is how to make older servants still relevant when most have been power-crept and skill-crept. That's why I enjoy Tower and Grail Front events because I tend to use servants I don't use the other 90% of time. Grail Front even got me to level up skills on some 1, 2 and 3 star servants just because they are handy in Grail Front. Otherwise, there is no point in leveling up skills at all for most servants (partially due to cost and partially due to the fact that many are rarely used.) Further, there is no point in getting many new servants if they are don't bring something new to your roster so lots of people like me skip 75-80% of new servants in any given year. It is a strange dynamic if you want players to build good/large rosters. Maybe FGO needs to have more battles where certain (1, 2, and 3-star) servants get buffs and/or increase drop rates if they are in the starting line-up (not back row). If FGO doesn't want to do many more rank-up quests for these servants to buff them, then the alternative is to give them temporary buffs during most quests. I'm also a proponent of us getting more Grail Fronts. Handing out grails a bit more often with more grail fronts can't be that bad IMHO because it facilitates level-up your servants and spending resources on them. So, I feel like it is a net positive for the game insomuch as enhancing a player's ability to sink more resources into a given servant and being more interested in the game (since right now, it can take years of playing to get your first level 120 servant).

[@Therealkingk909]

I really appreciated this vid 🙌🏾 definitely looking forward to more discussion videos as well. I also really appreciated you saying that you might have overreacted with shingen because i feel like the community has been really harsh towards pretty much every quick and crit based unit that has dropped for the last two years and most of the time people will say it’s because they struggle to 3t

[@ZTL]

If I feel like I had a bad take or felt I overreacted to something, I never have an issue biting the bullet to say I was wrong. I do hope as the game goes on servants like Shingen and Andromeda will have more places to use their niches.

[@VetoShizu]

I have a friend who actually only play FGO for the story and to pull for servants he likes lol. The man borderline refuses to farm since he's not in the mood to do it. Keep in mind that before FGO was available in more countries, he would read fan translations for FGO when JP had their new stories out. Besides the meta supports I never really paid attention as to which servant was the best for farming. I pulled for Nitocris, Okita Alter and Ereshkigal because I thought they were hot so I wanted them lol. I'll mostly likely continue to play this way until EOS as well so I'm down whoever Lasagna wanna release . I think Andromeda is hot too btw so I'll go for her too whenever she drops in NA, I didn't pay attention to her kit too much besides knowing she's a tank.

[@ZTL]

What a mad lad lol

[@wiritpollapcharoenporn3168]

Yeah, farming is important to get the resource stock up, but nothing beat love. People is at their maximum power when they Servant they love (I myself want every team for Morgan. The only reason I get Koyan Dark is to use her when my inevitable Morgan summer arrive)

[@Marcosantoniothebluecreator]

isn't the "G" standind for that? fate Grind order?

[@Rainos62]

I think some of the problem is also single target units. to me whenever i see a new to me there is very little use for them to me whenever we get a new single target im confused as to why we have enough good ones why do we need more and i shouldnt be thinking that and i should be thinking can i bring this to more stages. I think they should completely re-adjust the farming idea. I think we need single target farming stages. I think we should have normal farming stages where you have more chances to get the item but with smaller percentages and single target harder farming stages where you have a higher chance to get the item but the fight is harder. example: normal stage has 9 chances to get pages but you get a 40% chance but in the ST target stages you get 60% chance for it to drop but its harder. a good way to do this is to bring back all the bosses in FGO story as repeatable fights.

[@GS_CCC]

They already added ST stages on JP with Ordeal call, you get 3 nodes a day to do there. There are 90++ nodes with 1t and a 90* node with 2 turns of single enemies. They are the best to get bond and reward the new mat for the class score system so always worth doing.

[@ZTL]

At least they did give some ST units more viability with the 90++ nodes but I can also see how that would make some people frustrated that they would now need to also focus on getting "additional farmers" for their already finished setups.

[@Luis27377]

I do want a bond farming video for 2024 for Na and JP like where the best place to farm Bond points and what events that are coming up that give a lot of bond points.

[@tsonic73]

😮‍💨all you DO IS FARMMMM!! yes you need the skill materials and ascension materials, but it's the ridiculous RNG drop rates for the materials that is whack, don't get me wrong cause when you have the required amount you can lvl and skill up your servant, but it's tedious and a drag to get them, we have events that give you drops by 1-2 per amount(mlb) yet this can't be put in the base game? I've said this before the 5star ember farming is the best farming system in the game cause you get the drops you need, why can't this be done for skill and ascension material farming too? Don't just increase the enemy level😮‍💨

[@GS_CCC]

If mat drops were 100% they would just ramp up the cost for skills and ascencion to match it. % is probably the best with how it is right now, so when events have lottos or raids with guaranteed mats you profit more than if it was always 100%

[@tsonic73]

@GS_CCC i get what your saying, but at the same time how many raids or lottos run monthly? Or daily? Sure when they come around you benefit but ONLY when they come around, i did a 20 free quest run on the same node 20!! And the mat i wanted dropped 7 times😮‍💨 that was time i could've used for something else, and i believe you at some point encountered this in someway playing this game?

[@GS_CCC]

@@tsonic73 not really, I mostly just let it sit there and click from time to time instead of actually playing it like I would with a normal game. It sucks when you get unlucky but in the long run getting 100 of a mat will take the correct time, even if you got unlucky at some point since it is % base.

[@tsonic73]

@GS_CCC 😅your the passive player type then, kool👍🏽, I'll be honest with you i only have one servant maxed skilled 10,10,10 and a few others with only the skill i want on them at max 10, but when i noticed the addtion of the 5 star ember node where every enemy drops embers and the last enemy drops the highest for that sevant class i was like "why not do this for the material farms too" but I'm just trying to passively save up whatever i get nowadays

[@GS_CCC]

@@tsonic73 i have like 45-50 10/10/10 and pratically all the mats I want for the next 2 years, but I also have this account since the first Kara no Kyoukai event.

[@lurkersmind6461]

I'm lucky that my favorite servant Avenger Kama is a farming servant and I could get all her skill materials during her event. Plus a great arts ce.

[@Atz888]

Perhaps people harping on 3 turn min maxing and looping is he reason why most new servants have aoe of an np hmmm

[@kazushiyasuragi7921]

Coud you do a Guide/ tierlist for the most efficient servants for: farming /CQ/ ST/AOE? (with some side notes if they gonna get powercrep by 2025 servants) please?

[@ZTL]

Sure, I can definitely do something like that.

[@Uglybuttuglysister0]

@@ZTL dude I loved when you didn’t eh bronze , silver servants , I think the newer fgo players should know that it doesn’t take a five star to nuke the game

[@Tofinochris]

I slow played this game so much that I never want for mats so I've farmed for X mat very rarely. Suppose if I had a bigger roster I'd worry about it more, but I'm sitting with Berzsashi, Castoria, Oberon, Melly and AA, Koyan, and that's all I need for farming, at least until 90++ so go go Ibuki summon vibes I guess. But yeah story and event/lotto mats pretty much have me covered. Ngl I have a couple 5 and few 4 stars not fully invested but I'll throw mats at them when I need to, because the prospect of farming one node for a week to pop a skill from 7 to 8 seems like absolute pain.

[@WayofORO]

Astolfos big battery🤨

[@pokemaniacqolem6495]

the thing with "farming is 90% of the game" is also about... you do CQ once, you do FQ 50 times, if not more.

[@MergedAmigo]

Most of my servants are at skill level 6 or 7, mainly because farming those high tier skill up material is so brutal and time consuming that I've found it just wouldn't be worth killing my enjoyment of this game just to make my servants more "meta" or whatever.

[@comicsans8994]

Wishing if they add the auto farming but it cost 50AP instead of 40 or limit the number of auto farming, like 10 times a day

[@Truck-kun11]

I feel like Lasagna would rather die than add an Auto-Battle, but something like the option to spend double or triple AP to get more drops in a single run would be a good compromise.

[@comicsans8994]

@@Truck-kun11 Actually this is cool idea that i never thought of it

[@tsonic73]

​@Truck-kun11 this is something i can get behind👍🏽, fgo refuses to give you any form of auto play function so you have to drag through everything manually, i just want the farming to become actually worth it while doing it

[@Uglybuttuglysister0]

Geez , 😂 I remember when I really started playing FGO I was on the stair master just trying to farm , this was before castoria came out . Positive light was the fact I had been hoarding just from logging on so I had a majillion of apples .

[@figurecollector5796]

Auto-play is a two-edged sword. I've seen it in other games where it existence helps justify low drop rates. Like @Truck-kun11 suggests, I'd rather see drop rates increase even if it costs more AP.

[@timogul]

Farming is the only thing worth doing in FGO, since non-farming content is just awful.

[@basheeros5814]

Yeah... that's why I quit this boring game.

[@ZTL]

I mean I get it, the grind can get super tedious at times but I think the story generally makes up for it, whether it be main story or event story.

[@basheeros5814]

@@ZTL Before quitting, I gradually starting skipping event stories and skip straight ahead to farming... the game is not inventing anything new, instead they made farming even harder and you still can't skip the NP animation! It's clear the devs don't respect people's time. About the story, I agree that it's good but the long dialogues made it really boring for me, so I stopped after LB5.

[@figurecollector5796]

There are games that are a lot more grindy than FGO. I quit Epic Seven because basically the drop rates for the best stuff were so low that you had to grind for 100 hours per week for months and months just to get the better stuff. Epic Seven even had auto-mode but auto-mode simply facilitated the low drop rates. The thing about FGO is that you only have to grind if you want to. Once you have a core set of servants leveled up and with the free stuff you get, you are able to clear 98-100% of the content and get/level up a few new servants to keep your roster fresh. FGO farming isn't a must, at least in terms of grinding for hours and hours each day.

[@basheeros5814]

The only gacha game I play these days, comfortably too, is Nikke. Good gacha rates, never have to worry about repeatedly farming events and staring through animations because I can turn them off.

[@Rosemaryalter2711]

I miss Nusa channel everything he predicted was 70% correct much better than this crap and biased channel

[@hollowficate]

Because this game is a farming simulator. Trash.