Why Is It Impossible To Make A Good Venom Movie?

[@IsaiahWayne2104]

The Venom series should've been Rated R like the Deadpool series and Joker.

[@Watch-0w1]

Y? What purpose it serve? Deadpool r rated help it for comedy .

[@zsoltbartus169]

​​@@Watch-0w1 what purpose it served to make it ridiculous and childish?

[@LostHorizons0]

The “joker “ is dawgschit

[@zsoltbartus169]

@@LostHorizons0 Logan, Blade, The Boys... r rate does NOT make content immediately trash.

[@Watch-0w1]

@@zsoltbartus169 your right, I not defending this movie. But you don't need r rating to make good movies

[@BaithNa]

It's not impossible, Venom has been a hero longer than he was a villain and he's had tons of great solo comics. Sony is just a trashy studio that sees Venom as an easy cash grab rather than an IP that can built upon.

[@bricknfilms3132]

Agreed

[@mbower9641]

Maybe if u read spiderman and see venom instead of read venom solo runs venom lethal protector is old school

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

Yep I'm not opposed to Venom stories without Spider-Man. Just maybe don't have the current team at Sony do it.

[@BM-sg1sl]

Sony should have let marvel do Venom first with Spider-Man and tTHEN do a spin-off. Venom should start with Spider-Man not the other way around

[@mbower9641]

@@BM-sg1sl false they already did venom with spiderman a venom solo run should be on venom solo comic run venom lethal protector 1993 was venom first solo run and funny enough thats what we got .. again casual venom fans only know venom from spiderman animated tv show or spiderman comics ..dont read venom stand alone comics 💀

[@condutchak]

The character is an alien parasite with abandonment issues that turns its host into a 7 foot tall musclebound monster with several rows of angler fish-like teeth, a borderline prehensile tongue, massive claws that allow it to climb up the sides of buildings and a hunger for humam flesh...and they have yet to make the character scary in a film

[@BaithNa]

The worst part about these garbage movies is that they'll leave an entire generation of fans with a completely wrong impression of who and what Venom is.

[@marcen12]

I dunno. I think that a fair share of people will look into the comics and see what the movie does not include. I watched the movies first before I read into the backstory of Venom. Just because people get a wrong first impression doesn't mean that they can't learn the way forward.

[@REIDSRAPS]

@@marcen12BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[@marcen12]

@@REIDSRAPS How?

[@MovieNerdStudios]

There not garbage, there just dumb fun movies and it’s about time that people like you accept what this movie tries to do and it succeeds

[@TheSwordsman100]

Its actually the opposite, these movies adapt Venom's original 90s run of mini-series after mini series. Eddie's version of Venom did not stay a villain and has actually spent most of his life as a character on the side of good. (Eddie even being given the honor of being worthy of not only Thor's hammer but Captain Universe) He was also quite goofy till Donny Cates got ahold of him. Especially when written by Larry Hama. The adaptions are so obsessed with keeping Venom a one note villain they have utterly warped the perception of the characters.

[@KyleJWest-vn9kn]

Because Sony wanted Venom to be Deadpool. That is a big reason why the movies suck.

[@FireJach]

EDDIEEEEEE

[@DrCOZMIK]

I like the venom trilogy. You expect way too much. I'd rate them all a solid 6.5

[@elmono6299]

More importantly they're half-assed with rushed development, bad acting, terrible plots, wasted talent, and inappropriate soundtrack that's out of character for him. Venom should have featured Rock and Heavy Metal, not pop & rap. More importantly tone it down to a PG-13 rating instead of R.

[@johndevin1193]

@@elmono6299 Terrible plots? What plot would be better than this one? Bad Acting? From who? Hardy?

[@hthrun]

@@johndevin1193 I watched another video that laid out what the plot of the Dolph Lundrgen movie would have been. It included Carnage and I thought it was better than the Carnage plot we got.

[@superjlk_9538]

He needs to be a villain first.

[@barney7822]

AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Venom: Last Dance * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Kraven the Hunter * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope

[@Freebiekiller]

I liked spiderman 3 it’s my most rewatched spiderman movie

[@Jetthawkunlimited]

He has nothing to do with Zelda you know that right? Same with Naruto

[@ito2789]

@@Jetthawkunlimiteddoesn’t mean he didn’t ruin the rest.

[@superbolt-fr6nr]

Are you going to write this comment in every single video and community post involving an Avi Arad movie? Because if so I respect the dedication

[@Ax-xN]

Average Israeli dumbass no culture in their own country so they ruin others

[@anthonyhardy96]

The first mistake was making a Venom origin story and trilogy without Spider-Man. His style and power set just don’t make any sense without establishing the connection to Peter.

[@TadserPainchaultRealtor]

Venom had much more of a connection to Eddie then he did to Peter in most of the comics.

[@zillax9026]

@@TadserPainchaultRealtorI think What Hardy meant was that Without venom having any connection to Peter , it’s wired to see venom without the spider on his chest or shooting web out of his wrist . And his design as he is the darker version of what Spider-Man would look like

[@bearpoop720]

Venom isn't just a spider man villain. You people keep acting for comic accuracy and then show no signs that you have even read a comic in your life.

[@Orice11]

I say this all the time. The Symbiote and Eddie's mutual hatred of both Spiderman and Peter Parker is key to the birth of the character. It's like making Batman without dead parents. In my opinion, it just doesnt work.

[@BM-sg1sl]

@@Orice11well said

[@Web-Slinger42]

I can't wait for Venom: Folie à Deux where it becomes a musical between Eddie and Venom.

[@redbearddan2000]

The 3rd movie already featured a musical number with these two)

[@JurassicRod]

@@redbearddan2000 But were they gang graped?

[@redbearddan2000]

@@JurassicRod I don't want to spoil)

[@doctore4243]

In the end, Raimi's version was the closest we get.

[@magdalenamatuszczyk6717]

Not really. Venom in the Spiderman 3 was just some evil goop. He besicaly had no personality and just made anybody bonded with him into an asshole.

[@doctore4243]

@magdalenamatuszczyk6717 in the original comics venom couldn't talk much and was more like an inner voice. And Brock was a psycho. Nothing like the goofy spidermanless thing in the new movies.

[@magdalenamatuszczyk6717]

​@@doctore4243Yeah but Venom evolved into real character and bewn like that for very long time. If you wanted a movie about Venom then you have to make Symbiote talk

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Marvel fans: "We want VENOM to be R-Rated." Avi Arad: "VENOM will be PG-13, so everyone can bring their children to watch it. It will be fun for the whole family." Me: "þussy"

[@johnsmith-jq1uc]

bussy? now you've got me interested.

[@13rockwarrior]

Bro when we got kids sneaking into Terrifier 3 might as well venom can be r too

[@TheSwordsman100]

Are seriously copy pasting this to every single Venom video? Venom comics never reached that rating to begin with its never going to happen.

[@God-k5b]

They do it cause the studio knows the movie will be trash and adults won’t buy enough tickets so they do pg-13 so those younger audiences will view it. Contrast that with Deadpool 3 where Disney knew it will make a boatload of money from adults with the hype.

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@God-k5b Do you not see the flaw in your own logic? That would mean Disney also had no faith in any of the main MCU movies including Endgame or Sony with Into the Spider-Verse. A R rating is not some instant quality increaser button. The real reason Deadpool is R, while Venom isn't is the comics the movies were adapted from. Asking Venom to be R is like asking for Miles to be R. The Spider-Corner of Marvel Universe doesn't have those characters.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Avi Arad doesn't give a shit about comic accuracy, only Sony's bottom line.

[@Wired4Life2]

There are 2 good _Venom_ films-2018’s _Upgrade_ and 2021’s _Malignant._

[@Spike-ex5bp]

Upgrade will always be a superior venom movie to me

[@mr101aaa]

Came here to make this exact comment. Upgrade came out a handful of months ahead of Venom 1, featured an actor that was like a B-movie version of Tom Hardy and a story that was basically a B-movie version of Venom's normal story progression, but ended being an A+ film and an incredible movie about Venom going on a rampage, especially compared to the Sony movies. Wish more and more fans of the character would check this film out.

[@iamdanielmonroe]

This!!! Upgrade was everything Venom should've been. It was fairly serious (with elements of dark humor), gruesomely violent(reasonable with the plot and tone), well acted, and had genuine stakes with a interesting sci-fi subplot.

[@Jonathancastrob1236]

​@@iamdanielmonroesame here Upgrade is now ione of my favorite Sci fi movie ever, I watched it on Netflix and man that movie surprised me it's clever great cyberpunk thriller and great dark humor also very well done serous tone.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Malignant was awesome. I definitely think James Wan should do a Blade movie or a solo Gambit movie

[@TheJtyork420]

Cause they made him so goofy and corny in his own movies and that killed it. Venom is my favorite spiderman character but I hate the venom movies.

[@GIMMETHELOOTNOW]

No lies told😂

[@Nerdstalgic]

agreed

[@SirsasthNigam.]

They can't even say the line properly "They made us spit Venom Then WE ARE VENOM"

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@Nerdstalgic Eddie's version of Venom was goofy up till Donny Cates got a hold of him. Especially under the pen of Larry Hama. The only thing these movies do really wrong is having Eddie!Venom eat people, as while Eddie did use threats, he actively refused to do so and ate chocolate instead. That whole detail was taken from Mac Gargan aka the Scorpion's version of Venom. Seriously these movies are mostly one big adaption of Venom's original "run" of miniseries after miniseries when they became anti-heroes.

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[@benjaminwatt2436]

Saying Venom was ruined because it got a pg-13 rating is ignorant at best. Good movies rely on good writing, story cohesion, theme and such. if those things are not intact blood, profainity and s$x will not save it.

[@LightningAdrian]

Right.

[@michaelaka6842]

It wasn't ruined for being PG-13 although being Rated R could've gave the character something interesting to work with

[@LightningAdrian]

@@michaelaka6842 That’s makes a little more sense.

[@GearsofCoss]

It's just one part of what ruined it, same with Carnage being in a movie not rated R. Yes, a rating shouldn't determine whether or not a movie is good, but when the characters the movie is based on are fundamentally violent at their core (Carnage especially), you are distancing the adaptation more from the source material simply by depriving them of that violence and just giving more reasons why it's bad. Venom doesn't necessarily NEED to be over the top violent, but once Carnage came into the mix, that argument goes out the window... like it's literally his name lol

[@LightningAdrian]

@@GearsofCoss While you do have a valid point about that, it can still end up being bad if that’s the ONLY thing you change about Venom 2 and nothing else. In summary, if you change only the rating of the movie to rated R and nothing else, it can still end up being pretty bad. Also, Carnage has literally appeared in cartoons that are mainly for young audiences. Just thought I might remind you of that.

[@narcissus.poeticus]

I honestly don't get why a pg-13 is a problem. The 90s animated Venom was good. If something is well made, it doesn't have to be OTT in your face violence - look at films like Jurassic Park. Nonetheless, it's a shame that no-one seems to have the talent and interest in the character, in combo with a studio willing to take a risk to make a good Venom film/ appearance.

[@michaelaka6842]

Venom being Rated R is totally different than Venom being PG-13. The thing is Venom can work under both he can be PG-13 while fighing Spider-Man and other Spider-Man related characters while in his solo adventures he can go all out. I mean he's an alien for christ sake most aliens are violent in nature

[@Smiley_Boi76]

“If something is well made” You answered your own question. Venom movies are ass. I thi k Tom Hardy was a great choice but this antihero buddy cop wannabe deadpool “I wanna be the good guy and not let you eat people” noise is hot steaming ass.

[@ADjustinG2013]

From the 1st Venom movie, Sony immediately struggled understanding the "i" and "we" aspects of the symbiote bond. Even the most basics were misconstrued.

[@Blingbling496]

Spiderman 3 isn't a good movie, but it gave some of the best memes ever. That is something.

[@ДимчоДимов-ж7е]

Spider-Man 3 is a good movie.

[@Blingbling496]

@@ДимчоДимов-ж7е good for you, for me is hard to watch.

[@michaelaka6842]

Spider-Man 3 is a good film with some issues here and there but overall a satisfying movie and better than the entite sony verse and even some of the newer CBM films

[@Blingbling496]

@@michaelaka6842 I don't know what CBM movies are, but yeah the amazing Spiderman movies are way worse. Still, I watched it 2 time and for me it's a hard to watch movie.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Spiderman 3 is a good movie. With everything they tasked Raimi with including, he actually did a good job.

[@sofarsogood8680]

Venom character is defined on how determine it is to overtake Spidey . The rivalry between both of them is important in its early narrative.

[@kmdreacts]

This!! There's a reason why fans of the Spidey universe see Venom as 2nd or 3rd favourite Spidey 'Villain' of all time.

[@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421]

The fan film "Venom: Truth in Journalism" (2013) by Joe Lynch and Adi Shankar still stands as the only good live-action portrayal of Eddie Brock / Venom. 6:03 - Also, today I learned that in 1997 after Marvel went bankrupt and sold the rights of their characters to various movie studios, David S. Goyer wrote a script for a Venom movie that New Line Cinema was making that was going to focus on Eddie Brock and Cletus Cassidy's rivalry without Peter Parker / Spider-Man in it at all because New Line Cinema only had the rights to Venom and Carnage and it would've starred Dolph "Ivan Drago" Lundgren as Eddie Brock / Venom, but it got cancelled because New Line Cinema did not like David S. Goyer's script and probably also because of the middling reception "Spawn" (1997) movie got and so New Line Cinema eventually sold the Venom movie rights to Sony Pictures who would use Venom in "Spider-Man 3" (2007) movie and Tom Hardy's Venom movies...

[@TylerLong-x7h]

I prefer venom as a villain.

[@DarshawnDriggins_1999]

Me too 0:58

[@slothboi7131]

Most people do

[@thebatmanwholaughs]

Because he’s owned by Sony. :(

[@Nerdstalgic]

so true

[@robertoperez2843]

Amen but Sony has made the banger that is the Miles Morales Spiderverse animated movies. They are hit or miss but it's just writers, directors and intention to cash grab

[@thebatmanwholaughs]

@@robertoperez2843 true. Their animations are bangers.

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

​@@robertoperez2843to be honest, the reason they did all these live action movies so that they can keep the rights as long as possible.

[@jordanMJK]

I agree with a couple of your points. But saying topher grace venom was 3 feet to small is off in my opinion. People in modern media are conditioned for venom to be this 9ft hulking behemoth. And in doing so lessons the person inside the suit. Venom was big because eddie brock was big. Making venom the size of the hulk takes away so much of the host. In my opinion making venom roughly the same big athletic build of eddie brock would be perfect. Making him 6ft3 260lbs like his original how Todd original made him in his debut. But unfortunately no one will bulk up to play a modern eddie brock when you could just CGI the whole thing. No practical suit to where like topher did. No need to put on muscle and get more in tune with the character . Just CGI the whole damn thing and call it a day. I'd rather have a smaller more personalized venom on the big screen one day than this goofy god forsaken, poorly written slap that we have now. It does no justice for the character of venom when you boil him down to his basic traits of being a big-muscular-jokey-alien-goofball, that looks the same no matter who weres the suit. There is so much story potential for this character, but unfortunately this is what is going to be in the minds of modern fans when they think of venom. Just another big goofy roided out alien idiot. VENOM WAS AND IS MORE THAN THAT. Hopefully one day, he will be adapted properly

[@SirsasthNigam.]

They cannot even say the line properly- "They made us spit Venom Then WE ARE VENOM"

[@oscarangel2989]

This trilogy was lucky to have someone as charismatic as Tom Hardy. He must have a back Pain because he basically carried this thing.

[@saprious5273]

You cant blame Hardy, he did great with a bad script. If you put that venom into the MCU with MCU writers, it would likely be well loved.But yeah, its been an uphill battle on a good Venom movie. I liked the first Venom movie but the second was good at best. I still need to watch 3.

[@radrno7]

Nah, he got more creative control after the first one and still decided to go on with the goofyness. He's just as guilty, if not more, for these movies being as bad as they are. He's an A-list actor, he should've known better than to waste his talents on such a terrible franchise.

[@RickBerman-iv2il]

Why are American audiences obsessed with films with rated R? Being gory? As if it’s impossible to make an incredible film rated PG. Look what Jaws, Star Wars and LOTR managed. They didn’t seem sanitised to me.

[@magdalenamatuszczyk6717]

Becouse people have this weird idea that Venom is normaly this dark and evil character. Sure Venom has scary elements like eating people but most of his existance he shown up in pg 13 media. Venom never was this super mature character that only shown up in 18+ comics. The same with Carnage, sure he is an evil murderer that kills for fun but most of his important storylines were put in the spiderman comic books which are not 18+

[@SPcamert]

After watching Last Dance and its (un-earned) emotional ending all I could think was "This would be more impactful if any of the movies had been done better." Venom could be amazing, you could even do it with off-screen references to the violence to keep it PG-13 (silhouettes, blood splashes on the walls, screams, etc) but the problem for me was that Eddie Brock stopped being a character. In the first movie, the main parts of it had Eddie trying to deal with this impossible to control power while also still trying to maintain a loving relationship and his life in general. The buddy comedy stuff worked for the most part and it felt like a real struggle that any person suddenly finding themselves in this position would have. By the time Carnage rolled around though, much like Tom Hardy in real life, Eddie Brock had just...given up. He realized he couldn't control this creature so there was no point in trying. His movements, his choices, and Tom Hardy's acting became lifeless. In Last Dance Hardy moves across the screen like a puppet, a man not in control, because he isn't. He's simply a vessel to get Venom to his next step in the plot. It's not until the end where we see this change...and it's disappointing. Maybe we can get a good Venom movie eventually but...only time will tell.

[@VanillaBear9915]

I just saw the 3rd film and MY GOD... they butchered the characters and the story. It felt like the writers actively tried ruining Venom and his backstory.

[@Dontclickmychannellll]

Yeah bro I don’t understand why people think when we show criticism it means hating

[@marx7763]

To be fair, its not literally impossible. It's just the people behind it which is the problem

[@AndreJNick1]

Ummm... don't you have an entire video singing the praises of the first venom? What suddenly changed?

[@windandfireproductions5358]

Ran out of ideas

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Because we live in what I like to call, the complaining era. Where people will complain and won't ever seem to be happy

[@AndreJNick1]

@Bullboy_Adventures ok boomer

[@Carlisho]

While its not the Venom that we want I still consider these movie to be good and fun, Tom Hardy puts his soul into these movies and you can tell how much he cares.

[@Tigerheiress]

Not every character is a main character. A comic is different than a film esp a live action interpretation. Some things are better on pages. Not everything needs to be a stand alone movie honestly. Not everything reads properly from book to screen and that is ok. I feel this way about a lot of my favorite books

[@Gumshoe08]

They should just return and make him a villain again. Thats what he was, but they made him a big baby in the films

[@Nerdstalgic]

agreed!

[@bricknfilms3132]

Venom works well as anti hero as well if written well (like king in black), and he's been antihero since nineties.

[@pleaseandthankyou708]

​@@Nerdstalgic​you sound like you don't read comics and only watch movies. I thought otherwise.

[@Priestradamus]

He is not just a villain bruh, y’all want him to be a one note Spider-Man villain so bad and he’s more than that

[@uchihabomber1296]

@@PriestradamusExactly most of these complaints are just people that just don’t read those comics

[@delbertvasquez176]

Venom in the ultimate spiderman cartoon was never faithfully rendered GTFO with that shit. Instead of Brock being the host just like in the comics, for some reason they used Harry Osborn, and the same dam mistake was made in the insomniac game.

[@Blast2224]

Easy Answer: SONY doesn’t know how to make movies. Sam Raimi did all the work and they got greedy when the reboot universe failed to compete with Disney.

[@WarriorsforInfoTV]

First Venom movie was great!

[@BBC_guy]

We got three sh*t venom without a spider man crossover

[@CrzYbaDmutha2245]

Would've been cooler R rated.

[@Nerdstalgic]

agreed

[@milkiassamuel780]

While the Venom movies are very goofy and silly, they can at least be earnestly fun and entertaining nonetheless however, I do wish we could get a genuine Venom movie that dives into Eddie Brock's psychology as this lucky Catholic guy who has the worst luck and resentment for Peter Parker that bonds with he symbiote becoming the black alien menace Venom himself and that interwoven hatred for Peter Parker is what makes Eddie and the symbiote into the perfect bond thus becoming Spiderman's poison, aka Venom. Venom is the personification of Peter's dark ambitions/mistakes, and one thing I always liked about him is that he actually was immune to Peter's Spidey Sense; thus, Peter can never know when Venom is going to attack him, as he could be watching him wherever he goes or jump him when he least expects it and that legitimately scares Peter as it puts both him and his loved ones in danger, and that makes Venom a great villain. Over time, Venom and Eddie Brock have grown to become heroes/anti-heroes. In the comics, it feels more naturally earned as Eddie sees how he lies to himself and is self-destroying to the point where he finds common ground with the symbiote. The two learn to become better people and now Eddie is a father and good friend to Peter which feels satisfying to see how far he's come. It's a shame how much missed potential there was with Venom movies, even if the films are somewhat fun, and the way Sony is insistent on using Venom without establishing Spiderman just felt lacking sometimes when we really could've gotten something a bit more fascinating and psychologically complex in tone and horror. Personally, some of my favourite takes on Venom include Spectacular Spiderman, 90's show and I think Tony Todd was a phenomenal choice to voice Venom in Insomniac Spiderman's 2 game (even though Venom's characterisation in the game was fairly generic and underwhelming)

[@Nerdstalgic]

I would love a REAL Venom movie

[@TheSwordsman100]

But what made Venom interesting if you HAVE to stick to the 80s as a villain is they DIDN'T harm Peter's loved ones because they were "innocent". Spectacular's adaption gets so many things wrong about Venom that the 90s show got right.

[@VorticieFilms]

You know it's bad when Spiderman 3's Venom starts to look kinda good, at least that Eddie Brock had goals/aspirations and the symbiote had less fluid and more arachnid-like movements.

[@DonavanWeaverOfficial]

Spiderman 3 is awesome, and the black suit is perfect

[@AhkymBrizzy]

It’s crazy that people actually continued to go see each one of these films.

[@Grassdia]

Because the hate isn’t warranted and these movies are still fun to watch. They don’t need to be some deep psychological thriller that decontextualises the fabric of your being.

[@LightningAdrian]

@@Grassdia Right. I actually find these films to be fun to watch.

[@magdalenamatuszczyk6717]

​@@Grassdiaits crazy how people are quick to get angry when somebody enjoys something they see as trash. I mean there is 8 bilion people on this planet so there should be at least some people who really like these movies right?

[@SebMan121]

It is possible if it was made by a different studio, had spider man, an interesting plot, different writers, and approved by kevin feige.

[@TheJames1579]

Movies were too short, not rated r, and obviously no Spider-Man. Absolute dealbreakers imo

[@TheSwordsman100]

Venom comics are not R rated and don't have Spidey always in them. Seriously they're their own Marvel hero.

[@christianalexander579]

Comics don't get movie ratings 🙄

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@christianalexander579 They do get ratings, just like everything else. The R is shorthand.

[@bearpoop720]

Have you even read comics? Venom does not fulfill any of the things you asked for in the comics. He isn't solely just a spider man villain though dumbass games like spider man 2 might make you think that. He is portrayed pretty well in these movies, I doubt anything you are saying here is original.

[@Xspyro-v12]

Venom solo movies should have been r rated and dark even horror fits or just make it into a tv shows if you wanted to tell a venom story but i guess they didn't so

[@Y2Jerms]

What was wrong with these movies? I haven't seen the 3rd one, but the first 2 were great.

[@TheSwordsman100]

Guy is only familiar with the adaptions and so thinks Venom is just a villain instead of the goofy anti-hero they were in the comics until Donny gave them a more serious storyline a upgrade to full heroes.

[@Y2Jerms]

@@TheSwordsman100 Plus, if the comics have different interpretations, why not the movies as well?

[@hexagonshorts2186]

3:02 Venom's appearance in Spectacular Spiderman is forever burnt in my heart. I swear that episode of Spectacular Spiderman was something. I will NEVER ever forget Eddie opening his stomach using Venom and grabbing a test tube with the toungue

[@jainttt]

these movies could be 100x better but i also think they’re hilariously bad and wish we had dozens of them so really who’s to say

[@Magdalena8008s]

Meh. I like all 3. For the absurdity they are. I get a chuckle from them.

[@willpoweramv]

based

[@EpicHelios83]

Honestly, I enjoyed the first two Venom movies for what they were. They definitely were far from great and not comic accurate. But they were entertaining and did well with the tone they were going for. But I do hope we get an accurate live action depiction of Venom, and it needs to have Spiderman involved.

[@TheSwordsman100]

They actually are far more comic accurate then most adaptions, the issue is that they adapt Venom's original 90 "run" which is not normally adapted.

[@Mictecacihuatl-198]

I’m a huge Venom fan, I remember being introduced to the character when I was ten and he completely changed my life. (I’m autistic he was special interest for years straight) I was obsessed with Venom and the movies and I bought every venom comic I could. As I got older I saw how the movies didn’t take the characters seriously and was very disappointed by venom 2 and its villains to the point of a near breakdown, I saw venom three last night and although it was bad, I cried so hard at the end because it was like my whole journey with venom from when I was little came rushing back to me at once. I know the movies are not good and as a reader of the comics I do get frustrated with how they portray the character but the first movie will forever be iconic to me no matter how bad it technically is, but I love Venom in any medium he’s in, the movies had an effect on me that will last for the rest of my life

[@TheSwordsman100]

While they shouldn't adapt Knull considering what era they were adapting normally. Were you not able to get the orginal 90s run that they are adapting? Those were really goofy especially when written by Larry.

[@Watch-0w1]

@@Mictecacihuatl-198 venom is God like now in comic.

[@Jamal-bl7yh]

I Have Similar Feelings On The Godfather Trilogy debuting In Mario Puzo's 1969 novel and first adapted In 1972 by Francis Ford Coppola becoming a Iconic and heavily parodied film property up there with Psycho, Planet Of The Apes, The Birds and Terminator but I just for the life of me cannot enjoy these movies It's like someone not me trying to enjoy The Lion King (1994) but not having the highest regard for Animation which Is alot of people and The Godfather Trilogy does that to me and I still have to watch The Godfather Coda The Death Of Michael Corleone now Michael Corleone as a character Al Pacino acts his heart out but his character was kinda mid In my opinion but that's just me though

[@kmdreacts]

Number 1: you CAN'T make a Venom movie without Spider-Man, and I'm NOT going to listen to any contrived arguments as to why they can. Number 2: Eddie Brock ISN'T a bumbling idiot comic relief guy.. He's a beefcake with serious anger issues and an inflated ego of himself that is only amplified when the symbiote consumes him. 3rd: Venom the character isn't a dad-joke spewing, annoying fat jonah hill type friend, scaredy cat that he is portrayed as in those dreadful movies either. I suffered through the 1st movie.. Struggled to wrap my head around Why there was a 2nd movie (and didn't watch).. And was completely gobsmacked when I randomly saw a trailer for a 3rd movie of this character assassination. People's taste in movies are weird... I've seen people say Deadpool & Wolverine was terrible while saying Multiverse of Madness was a good movie or The Marvels wasn't that bad 😒🤦🏿‍♂️

[@michaelaka6842]

DP3 was a good a film, MoM wasn't a terrible film but more like a miss opportunity to do alot of things and the Marvels is 50/50 depending on who you are

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Ive also seen idiots who think Joker 2 is the worst movie of the year even tho Madame Web & Borderlands exist too

[@kmdreacts]

@noobmasterruben5167 luckily I haven't seen either... I avoid dreadful movies like spiders.

[@kmdreacts]

@@michaelaka6842 MoM, to me, was a bloody disappointment.. I thought we'd be getting something similar to D3 but instead we got Doc crashing through a few verses, chilling in one of them, then disposing of the cameos within 5mins, while being sidelined by the B characters. D3 with its cameos gave us what we wanted from the title and So Much More.

[@theflash9767]

Venom as a character deserves a thoughtful and mature adaptation, one that fully captures the depth, horror, and complexity of Eddie Brock and his symbiotic alter ego. To achieve this, a shift toward an R-rated format-be it a film or a TV series-is not only ideal but necessary. The darker themes inherent in Venom's origin and storylines require a more mature exploration, especially if the character is to stay true to his comic roots. A key aspect of Eddie Brock’s Venom is Spider-Man’s pivotal role in his origin story. Spider-Man is central to Eddie's downfall and transformation, as their intertwined destinies drive Venom's rage and purpose. The symbiote, originally bonding with Peter Parker, amplifies Peter’s darker tendencies before being rejected and finding a host in Eddie, who shares a deep hatred for Peter. This narrative not only builds Eddie's character but also provides the emotional and thematic foundation for Venom. Omitting Spider-Man diminishes the character’s depth and reduces him to a standalone antihero without the necessary layers of motivation. Leaning into horror elements would elevate Venom’s story, particularly through body horror. The visceral transformation that Eddie undergoes while bonding with the symbiote-a fusion of man and alien-lends itself perfectly to terrifying and unsettling visuals. The psychological horror of losing control to a parasitic entity adds another layer of fear, as Eddie struggles with his identity and battles the symbiote’s influence. This approach was hinted at in *Spider-Man 3* but should be expanded upon and logically fleshed out. A proper exploration of Eddie’s descent, his rage, and his eventual bond with the symbiote can create a haunting yet compelling character study. To do justice to Venom, Sony must avoid rushing his story, as they did with *Spider-Man 3*. The symbiote’s journey-from Peter Parker’s initial bond and transformation, to his rejection of it, to Eddie’s eventual bond-requires patient storytelling. Developing Eddie’s character before the symbiote comes into play is essential to make his downfall and subsequent transformation into Venom both meaningful and impactful. Similarly, Peter Parker’s experience with the symbiote, including its effects on his personality and his struggle to rid himself of it, needs to be fully realized to set the stage for Eddie’s journey. An R-rated TV series would be an excellent format for this story, as it allows for the detailed character development that Venom and Eddie Brock deserve. A series could explore Eddie's personal struggles, his professional downfall, and his complex relationship with Spider-Man, all while delving into the symbiote’s horror-inducing influence. If a TV series isn’t feasible, Sony should follow a well-structured film template that carefully builds both Peter and Eddie’s arcs, culminating in Eddie’s transformation into Venom and his evolution from villain to antihero. Lastly, Sony must avoid making Venom a goofy or comedic character. While Venom has moments of dark humor in the comics, his personality is far from comedic. The character should be treated with the seriousness he deserves, leaning into his terrifying and morally complex nature. By embracing an R-rated approach and committing to thoughtful storytelling, Sony can finally do justice to Venom, creating a version that is both true to the source material and resonant with audiences.

[@PatrickDaFrog]

great vid as always was wondering if you'd ever make a video on the 2008 Speed Racer film one that i feel has been so overlooked in the grand scheme from movies of that year considering the likes of Iron Man,TDK,Twilight,Tropic Thunder and other successful films came out that year

[@mohdsalmand1385]

The thing is there no need for a Venom movie we want Venom but either as a Spider-Man Villain or in a Spider-Man team up movie like Maximum Carnage or King in Black.

[@markortiz3666]

I've been waiting for nerd stalgic to come put with yhis videos since the first venom movie

[@imdefinitelynotjesus]

Legit I thought the movies were alright. Not sure why you’re upset with this when end game was the real start of the trash we have today.

[@TheGeekzNetwork]

It’s impossible to make a good Venom movie without Spider-Man. I wish The Amazing Spider-Man 3 should’ve been released in the fall of 2016. From there we should’ve have Tom Hardy as Venom and by the end of ASM3, they would say that Garfield’s Spidey is taking a break from crime fighting (or by production studios’ case that Garfield’s Peter Parker is out because Spider-Man now appears in the MCU) and now Venom is the one who will continue that path for him.

[@iamFSRL]

It’s like having Joker with Batman, Silver Surfer without Galactus, Wolverine without the X-Men, Thanos without the Avengers - nobody cares about origin stories that can’t tell the actual origin story. I don’t need a story on the actual Joker if there’s no Batman to balance the scales. Don’t need a Silver Surfer story if he’s not tied to Galactus. Don’t need a Wolverine story if he’s never met the X-Men, and don’t need a Thanos story if he’s not fighting the Avengers. The problem with Sony is they’re taking all these characters that simply don’t work without Spider-Man, and trying to create universes around them when the star has and always will be Spider-Man.

[@Zanimator360]

They had a Rated r Venom film back in the 200's. But due to a writers strike it was canceled.

[@jameydunne3920]

Venom's problem is that other than Blade and Deadpool, the comic industry thinks R rated/ adult comics just have more sex, violence and swearing. Most 'mature' comic adaptations rarely capture the complexity that the character works. Blade worked because Snipes fought for it and no exec cared about it until it became a hit, and Deadpool works (mostly) because Reynolds fights for the character and there character already has jester qualities.

[@Mudnag]

Venom is probably one of the best Marvel characters ever created. And my favorite. But his connection to Peter Parker is obligatory. Even Insomniac, who didn’t make Venom being Eddie Brock, understood that Peter needs to have it, in order for "Venom" to be created. Venom isn’t a talking parasite. Venom is the bonding between Eddie Brock and the symbiote. Both of them are Venom. There’s no "loser coming from space", that’s a goofy storyline made for the extremely underwhelming films. Peter Parker has to be corrupted by the alien’s power, like a metaphor to drug abuse. We need to see the descent of the character, for when he removes it, an enraged Eddie can, then, bond with an enraged alien. That’s a recipe for an extremely powerful and dark story. Not a comedic one, at all. While Topher Grace’s Venom may not be anyone’s favorite portrayal of the character, it’s still the most truthful. Simply put, Spider-Man 3 should have ended with the black suit being removed, for a 4th film to be entirely dedicated to Venom, because the character deserved more than 10 minutes of screen time. I even found the design to be interesting, with the webbing mimicking Peter’s suit. But yes, physically, Venom should have been bigger and more menacing. As Venom was created in the 90’s, oldschool readers took more time to get accustomed to the character, and many comic book authors still don’t like him much. However, this ‘newer’ generation that grew up in a time where Venom was everywhere, we know the character is obligatory in a good Spider-Man story. We just want the scary, menacing, big, murderous, definitely R-Rated Venom we deserve, on the big screen.

[@avnmech]

Venom is awesome, and I love the first Venom movie. The humor is great, and the banter is hilarious. I enjoyed it.

[@randomnessltd]

OMFG! The problem is mainly that the Venom films forget their ties to Spider-Man! Venom is, and always has been, a Spidey villain. Some nod to those ties would be appreciated. But Sony just went and did their own thing, and the character fans loved suffered for it.

[@cinephilia1252]

"we'll all get the Venom we deserve" The line's as cool as Venom itself lol

[@sonic...8083]

as someones opinion, i comepletly disagree with this, i liked all the venom movies. the only problem i have is it the rating, should have ben rated R

[@Muford]

because no matter how much people like it or not venom started out as a villain and his whole thing was hating peter, it would be much better if he was an antagonist and was later fleshed out to be an anti hero just like in the comics.

[@JonathanCute-e4f]

Honestly i think giving venom his own stand alone movie is a mistake should have just been reintroduced in tom hollands trilogy

[@hthrun]

The first Venom is one of my favorite comic book movies. The sequels were a bit disappointing.

[@squishyazalea9970]

I don’t like that they made venoms voice more goofy for the second and especially the third movie. The first movie his voice was much deeper and more gutteral

[@ensatske]

The closest Tom HARDY came to making a good Venom was when Logan Marshall-Green starred in Upgrade (2018)

[@geelwashandje131]

It's impossible because Venom has such a intricate backstory. It´s like trying to cram the Phoenix saga in one movie. For the solo movie they skipped his villain origin and make him a hero, but then it doesn´t make sense why he looks like a monster. I find it off putting Venom murders every opponent he meets, it's such a contrast with the silly antics Eddie Brock/Venom do. I don't mind him killing the big bad, but eating the guy who extorts Mrs Chen is a bit much. It's not what movie Eddie Brock would do. I can't imagine this in rating R where Eddie Brock is so nice that he gives a homeless woman 20 dollars but will also tear off the arm of a SWAT agent.

[@dive107]

The pain of not seeing Spectacular Spiderman in the list of Venom adaptations...

[@NPC-30]

They turned Venom into a comic relief for the kids.

[@yankiroalba2318]

It is not even impossible, he is such a versatile and moldable character that masterpieces can be made with him, even with the concept of "Symbiote". Now, there are some people who have taken over not only this character, but each and every one of them, and they have a very disoriented and closed vision of them, trying to make things different, but worse. Is it easy for them to do something good? Yes, but the creative team doesn't know how to listen, and doesn't know where they come from or what the characters are like. Too bad, because we had the best actor and the best Venom design. You can see even in the marketing of this third one that they didn't even put any love in it, and not to mention what they did to Carnage...

[@TheN1ghtwalker]

Everything is impossible without a talent

[@blehblehblehhaha]

I really don't understand why these spiderman spin off from sony couldn't just be part of the MCU with it's own narrative plot all connected by Spiderman. Marvel did it before with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. Those shows were in the mcu but was following it's own narrative plotline, existing in their own part of the world.

[@reverierift]

Venom works with Spiderman. More so in live action and yes I know the Venom comics have been great

[@riotron1026]

I think the character of Eddie Brock and the black symbiote are too tied to Spider-Man to not be able to appear together on the big screen. If they could exist in the same cinematic universe where they could interact with one another as well as Venom to be able to do his own thing it would help flesh him out as his own character while still being able to feel like Eddie Brock and at least have some retention of what defined the character in the comics.

[@TrevorCopter]

1:09 The Black Suit properly debuted in Secret Wars issue 8, then made its ASM debut in Issue 252

[@DCUOMultiverse]

ASM 252 was published First. Secret Wars issue 8 was published like 7 months later.

[@beltontisdale1019]

Venom without Spiderman is like something important without something even more important.

[@davidchittick6783]

They should've made these Venom films rated R & put Spider-Man in the story because he is the reason of Venom's existence & Eddie Brock becoming Venom.

[@That1GuyUDontKnow]

I don't care what anybody says the Venom movies are awesome. All this fan service and pandering for a perfect 1:1 adaptation is really ruining everything. The Venom movie is as good as the Sylvester Stallone Judge Dredd movie. It's stupid terrible and cheesy in the best possible way like Mortal Kombat.

[@BigFatMonkey9629]

Completely agree, funny enough these movies are kind of accurate when it comes to venoms personality, if a marvel movie isn’t in the mcu or features cameos it’s deemed terrible, i liked this as much as no way home

[@Moshuun]

They shouldn’t exist without Spiderman.

[@UhDewSea]

crazy part is marvel spider-man 2 on ps5 is already the best version of venom thats been on screen or game

[@SKippySounds]

If they were gonna stick to this story, they should've a) kept it in the MCU and b) make it so that over time, Eddie becomes more and more villainous because of Venom, hence the need to fight Spider-Man

[@theoneandonlyZef]

i like the venom movies, i feel like they're a hit or miss depending on the kind of person you are and what kinda movies you enjoy

[@God_emperor_Doom]

Best part about venom movies were they all took place in San Francisco and they could have easily integrated Andrew Garfield's Spidey easily

[@drewmanchu360]

If marvel made a film with a venom kinda like the one from the insomniac video games but with a more violent, r rated tone, I bet a million bucks it would be better then most modern venom projects

[@jamesmurphy9660]

Parasite the Maxim does a good job of the symbiotic horror trope, the relationship between host and symbiote is compelling

[@IstanaAnginWorldwide]

The first and second one whats fine. What you talking bout...

[@zsoltbartus169]

Another vid that totally missed the point. Its not venom itself that makes the mpvies trash. It's because SONY makes trash movies.

[@MikeMJPMUNCH]

There was a film released around the same time as the first Venom movie that in my opinion would be the perfect Venom film and that was Upgrade the lead actor in it Logan Marshall-Green even looks abit like Tom Hardy

[@ShockyD]

Great video! I think one of the biggest issues we've seen so far in these adaptations is them not wanting to give Eddie Brock is due; they just take a few elements but don't look at his, admittedly messy history and use any of his depth. Since I was a kid in the 90s, one thing that kept me interested in Brock was his messy, flexible morals; he'd curse Spidey in one breath & then turn to Johnny Storm & say he & his family are amazing heroes. There's always been some level of humour in the books, but I feel the Hardy movies focus too much on the goofy, married couple aspect & not enough on the horror, despair, & potential toxicity of their union. Also, Eddie Brock is just a schlub but not a man who NEEDS redemption in the movies. I ultimately think Eddie Brock's story is one of messy redemption & finally, like Peter, accepting responsibility. The movies don't ever get us there, in Raimi's he's an entitled douchebag to Gwen & wants revenge on Pete. In the Sony movies, he's a guy who fell backwards into cosmic weirdness, but ultimately is trying to be good; there's no ugliness to them. It's beyond removing Spider-man from their shared origin; he's hollow. Venom villains that always stood out to me were the Jury. Orwell Taylor & his friends hate Eddie Brock because in one of his first appearances, you get Eddie killing a nameless guard at the Vault prison and saying it's unfortunate, but part of his "holy mission against Spider-man. The guard was Hugh Taylor, a beloved Guardsman and son. This was one of those moments where Eddie was confronted with the occasional evil he did; sure he would make sure to go out of his way not to hurt innocent people when fighting Spidey or Carnage, but that didn't change the fact that he's killed, traumatized & maimed people who meant no threat to him. Over the years, things like that haunted him and he stopped hiding behind the idea that the symbiote did it, Donny Cates' run REALLY has him face his past & evolve into a hero. This is getting long, sorry hah, but yeah, Eddie Brock has so many aspects that are left out of these movies & suffer as a result. Eddie's a guy who had a rough start to his life: mom died right after he was born, father abused him so he put everything he had into academics & sports, but still that wasn't enough, so when he started to break the Sin Eater story, his father paid attention & he saw the potential for happiness. I think that was the core of why he ignored journalistic integrity and didn't do his due diligence. From there he would constantly fall, even after thinking the symbiote was the key to happiness, they would have fights and concerns over who's corrupting who, then guy seemingly gets cancer, gives up the symbiote, in his dying days goes to work with Aunt May at F.E.A.S.T., gets turned into Anti-Venom & gets a new lease on life, loses Anti-Venom to stop Spider Island, etc. The guy's led one hell of a life and there's tons to pull from, but the movies only pick and choose & are missing too much of the core, so it fails. That's just my opinion hah.

[@tophat2115]

I like Venom better as a villain for Spidey. Superman has Lex Luthor and Doomsday, Batman has the Joker and Bane, Spidey has Green Goblin/Doc Oc and, well for a while, Venom. A brain and a brute makes the hero become resourceful in different ways either to outsmart or outfight a superior foe.

[@N_L_23]

Simple answer: you can’t have venom without Spider-Man

[@Vazo999]

The best recent rendition of Venom was in Spiderman 2 for ps5

[@WarioSaysSo]

Why Is It Impossible To Make A Good Venom Movie? Geraneral problems with adaptions: 1. Studios always disrespect the original source material and ignores its most important details. 2. Studios always want to rush things with the plot and skipp important development parts from its source material. 3. Studios always want to rush things so they can fork in major characters- and story events that requires a proper build-up for. 4. Studios want money at all cost, and even when they have guaranteed R-rated material that will sell, they bring it down so they can fork in PG-13 audience = butcher its original intention. 5. PG-13 audience have no patience, nor understand enough its source material so a R-rated source material gets wasted- and/or ruined by them for there quick fix. Venom movie problems: 1. Venom as a character is BUILT around the existence of Spider-Man. For Venom to have his powers and abilities, the symbiote must have been attached to Peter Parker aka. Spider-Man for some time and then after Parker gets rid off it, the symbiote finds Eddie Brock and there shared hatred for Peter Parker aka. Spider-Man grows there ambitions. 2. Venom and Eddie Brock works in a union - the battle for control combined with compromission. Eddie Brock is strong enough to hold his own for the control as long as he feeds the symbiote once-in-a-while and does so by taking out low-life thugs and evil doers = The Punisher's anti-hero style, witch works for the angry, butter Brock who found new purpose as a crime fighting anti-hero with opposite nature of Spider-Man's save-all-at-all-cost code. 3. Venom's greatest rival is Spider-Man, but his greatest foe is Cletus Kassidy aka. Carnage and established early on as unlike Eddie Brock & Cenom who works in a union - Kassidy with Venom's offspring Carnage works as a single-mind with the sole interest in bloody murdering sprees, chaos and cruel suffering as only motivation. While Brock & Venom at times- are in need of dealing with conflicts of interest, Carnage is out of such problems and with Carnage being the offspring of Venom, his powers and resistance is strenghted = further makes Carnage a most evil foe where Brock & Venom develops a shared contempt for Carnage's existance. 4. The Venom comics beside his fights with Spider-Man, are either focused on his many fights with Carnage, or taking on enemies from the Life Foundation OR dangerous murdering criminals like Sin-Eater OR fighting other known Marvel giants like Juggernaut, Rhino, Morbius etc. Or teaming up for a common cause with anti-heroes; The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Hulk etc.

[@GearsofCoss]

It shouldn't be impossible but Sony MADE it impossible when they started a series about Venom without the reason Venom even came to be in the first place. Hell, even his name wouldn't have existed without Spider-Man, he wasn't a random alien that came down and just said, "Hey venom sounds like a cool name, i'll pick that!" His ENTIRE character and reason for being is centered around Spider-Man and the shared hatred of both Eddie and the Symbiote, scrapping all of that from the start means you are fundamentally failing at depicting this character correctly, and it shows throughout the trilogy.