Why Is No One Talking About Vicky’s Redemption Episode?

[@anchorsaway9500]

This episode to me is tragic cause it showed Vicky had potential to be a good person if given the chance but no it had to revert back to the status quo. Imagine how different the show could have been if Timmy for the lack of better term melted that heart of ice

[@cjgamer6356]

He and Vicky would have been friends

[@Neku628]

Yeah and all of this because Vicky blamed Timmy for scaring her away from what turned out to be a "hot guy". Redemption foiled!

[@Jimpipecigarbear]

Part of it stems from some series take on the sitcom style instead of soaps.

[@StevenJones851]

​@@cjgamer6356they could of been really nice friends

[@StevenJones851]

​@@Neku628such wasted Potential

[@juanhaines7295]

In a alternate timeline Vicky becomes a dictator and enslaved the world. Plus in the true timeline she's still making kids lives a living nightmare. No way does this make up for anything.

[@borntoclimb7116]

You mean in that channel chaser episode

[@AngryKidaardman1998]

Exactly 🤦‍♂️

[@StevenJones851]

In the Sequel show she's still making kids miserable

[@PrettyGothBoi6085]

I think the idea is that the writers forgot about her redemption arc as well.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

An* alternate.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Always hated episodes like this in shows like this because the show is episodic and mostly non-linear and self-contained, so any interesting development is usually forgotten about by the next episode.

[@matityaloran9157]

This redemption doesn’t even last to the end of this episode

[@nunalunaberey_]

Fr, another example of this is Trixie, they made her so interesting at first with the secretly liking “boy” stuff episode but then never mentioned it again and just made her mean and crazy

[@xXYannuschXx]

Remember that episode where Timmie got turned into a girl and it showed that Trixie wasnt just the shallow "popular mean girl"?

[@oddish3022]

My favorite running gag on the show “Where did you get that?” “Internet”

[@lemmyspeaks]

He ain’t wrong now

[@dannybrezelhorner2715]

It's a joke that aged super well

[@Beyondthe5thPanel]

@@dannybrezelhorner2715aged well and unfortunately a huge issue

[@valleyard8674]

Well... The internet certainly has a lot of stuff... For example, ask me where I got my cellphone... Or this drill Or this snowball machine gun Or...

[@FarothFuin]

You mean the "world wide timmy network"

[@deandredukes95]

Wish there were more episodes exploring why Vicky is the way she is

[@cjgamer6356]

Me too

[@Neku628]

I hope a New Wish's second season explores redeeming Vicky.

[@cjgamer6356]

@@Neku628 Me too

[@loganbrony130]

Actually, we were given an answer to this already: There's an episode where Timmy goes back in time to discover why Mr.Crocker is the horrible teacher he is in his time, and eventually discovers he IS the reason. I think that's a sense of irony. Anyway, early in the episode, we see a babysitter similar to Vicky named Vic act the exact same as her to little Denzel, as that's the crazy teacher's first name. I think his name is short for Victor, like how Vicky is usually short for Victoria. Anyway, I think this guy is her grandfather, as Mr.Crocker says he's 53 during the series. Basically, Vicky's behavior is a combination of a lot of traumatizing things from when she was young and a genetic inheritance.

[@jakedebruin2246]

I feel like she might be related to Satan at this point…

[@RichardDong68]

Because she immediately turned back to what she already was, just because Timmy saved her from a supermodel.

[@McFrozenNuggets]

Honestly, how was he supposed to know? The dude was in a yeti costume.

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

Yup, the moment she changed back, the episodes lost all meaning.

[@AngryKidaardman1998]

Because it was pointless because she just goes back to being evil again…

[@mandychan727]

one small redemption will not change a view on the person it has to be more then one small act to really get a redemption

[@JazzyKitsune69]

She would need a Zuko level redemption arc at this point

[@comix999productions]

If this redemption arc was done right, Vicky and Timmy would have been less hateful of eachother, knowing what they did for one another. It wouldnt be perfect, but it would be a start. A sort if frenemyship, if you will. Vicky would still be mean to Timmy yes, but she would be nicer and more helpful when she needed to.

[@matityaloran9157]

2:42, Vicky’s redemption doesn’t even last to the end of this episode

[@sakura368]

well she did explain that it's just how she is

[@matityaloran9157]

@ An explanation like that only serves a purpose if it’s a prelude to an actual effort at self-improvement

[@CelestinaakaClonaClox9999]

Because it didn't stay. That's why.

[@jonkeiser6092]

Even though I don’t like Vicky’s behavior The beautiful legendary Grey Delisle nails her and I love how Grey uses her natural voice for every character she’s ever played.

[@hunterharkins6129]

One of the funniest lines she said was *after hearing Timmy scream at Tootie* “Hey,the twerp’s screaming and I’m not there to cause it” lol (2004s”Homewrecker” episode from season4) the line delivery got a chuckle out of me.

[@jonkeiser6092]

@@hunterharkins6129 That sounds kind of funny.

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

And yet she learned nothing

[@eeveefennecfox]

I loved this episode since this is the only time she's been genuine with her true feelings,this is my most favorite backstory of her to why she's evil and mean

[@kaylagaymon4873]

Even though Vicky is the worst and evil babysitter in the world, this is one of the rare times she was nice to Timmy and saved him 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🥹🥹🥹

[@PichuStardust]

Because she didn't redeem herself. She was nice for like what, half a day, then went back to being evil and horrible and just down right nightmare fuel

[@electrobob992]

Honestly makes me wish they had her redeemed in the end of the series. Maybe involving a WORSE babysitter trying to take her jobs and SUCCEEDING. Leading to her helping Timmy when his parents take the new girl's offer. Then possibly reveal the REAL reason Vicky didn't like her, was because of some repressed memories she had that get unlocked while helping timmy. Those memories being of HER bad babysitter. Not Timmy from that wish earlier on in the series, but another one. Though how would this cause Timmy to keep his fairies you may ask? Well reveal the big secret of the new babysitter, in that either she was that one evil fairy hunting teacher in disguise that woman one. OR another fairy hunter who Fairy World deem a massive threat, that by taking her down... Timmy gets a rule free wish to allow him to keep his fairies until he reaches a certain age instead of being based on happiness too. *So he can have a good babysitter, without losing his fairies*

[@davinmcdonald3989]

I wish Vicky being good was permanent.

[@ItsTickingTime]

My left ear enjoys the music, but my right ear feels left out and is now jealous.

[@xandan1668]

Redemption only counts if it sticks.

[@ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538]

I wish Vicky had redemption and learned to not be so abusive to kids she babysits

[@yusufesat-cc8lx]

I'm still wanting too see Vicky's backstory

[@codyflake3080]

I’ll try to be fair to Vicky and not go overboard but a tear-filled confession (which may or may not be sincere) and apologizing(once again maybe or maybe not sincere) isn’t enough to redeem for seasons of child abuse and other evil actions. Now I’ll give Vicky credit for going all the way, attempting to sacrifice herself to save Timmy because that’s something that I never believed I would see from her. I was moved by that until she reverted back to the status quo. So even if I was looking at all of Vicky’s actions through the series I’d say that it might be one of Vicky’s better moments. Complete redemption? No but at least worth acknowledging.

[@KatOwO2235]

I remember this episode as well as another episode where Vicky was searching for Timmy cause she knew she'd be in trouble if he was found missing

[@yunue904]

Because it got retconned at the end. If it didn't, Timmy would have lost his fairies.

[@maggie7794]

My one thought is that the reason we don't talk about this episode so much is just because Vicky was probably just acting out on being sad and nice to Timmy because she was so cold in that cave, people can act out differently like they haven't before and say random but either true or strange things if they are stuck somewhere outside that is just too hot or to cold

[@ChrissaTodd]

yeah but given she says she is mean cause it's how she is maybe tells me that is her still kid/teen brain not comprehending that she could be nice despite people claiming it's who she is

[@maggie7794]

@@ChrissaTodd I was saying that she was acting out differently in colder weather like everyone else dose, by just saying that a regular person with not her kind of personality would just act out in a more angry way wanting to get out of the cave because of hotter or colder weather and with her she just snaps thinking about how she acted and started being nice so you don't really know if she was saying just random stuff or not because she probably forgot some of it because of all that anger...

[@Nightstriker995]

in the end it didn't matter, she went right back to being mean. it didn't even last the entire episode. so the whole "redemption arc" was pointless. thats why no one talks about it.

[@shelbybayer200]

Momentary Act of Kindness. She said it herself, she's Irredeemable

[@isadoraapprobato9655]

Because when she finds out that the monster is actually a hunky guy she comes back to normal

[@FileStorage-dt5gq]

Try watching "A better schedule for Nickelodeon's main block" by Evan Rosman.

[@HonorJanas]

Because she’s still evil afterwards.

[@PhantomBones101]

Ill be honest this episode stuck with me just for the fact that we saw a different side of her. Last time we saw anything close to that was when Timmy wished for her to be younger than him and gave her a taste of her own medicine.

[@loganbrony130]

This definitely doesn't make up for what Vicky did. This redemption was short, and I doubt it'll happen again, since that series is now over.

[@loganbrony130]

@meta527II I still haven't seen it.

[@loganbrony130]

@meta527II I'll probably watch it at some point, since the first season is now on Netflix.

[@jelleluyten5017]

It just shows there's depth to her character, with therapy she could have been not evil, but she didn't get therapy

[@benjaminthemandmsgeneral5376]

Ski episode is when when stepped up for him im actually proud of her doing some good

[@Sojoboscribe]

I've wondered what would have happed if Timmy had tried "I wish Vicky knew how it felt to be abused by her" (like when he wished her younger than him, but no memory wipe at the end)

[@bigbunny5600]

I don’t think that Vicky deserves redemption at all however Denzel Crocker need a redemption.

[@joseph-pf5fr]

The reason no one talks about this is because it doesn't matter,crocker does get some real sweet moments and they went to the effort to give him a back story episode but vicky is just ment to the worst for no reason

[@stefanspelt3578]

Never watched that one episode, gtk her temporary redemption was not just based on a quote from Who framed roger rabbit, but explaining her franchise long behavior as well.

[@Keychan64]

shes evil because of an evil bug remeber that episode?

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

And it became the inevitable Rip Vicky

[@Luigicat11]

That bug was probably manifested from her evil when Timmy wished she was nice. Doesn't change the fact that he never wished the bug away, though. Maybe the reason she gets meaner and meaner as the seasons progress is that once it found a host it felt comfortable in, it began to reproduce.

[@sircrimsonwolf7492]

This episode is likely remembered, but probably ignored by everyone, including the show runners at the time because they thought it was easier to have a despicable person rather than an interesting person. It’s not like Timmy had any shortage of people making his life miserable. With neglectful parents Accrual faculty system in the school board Extensive bullying Likely some psychological issues Vicky and her torment is just adding fuel to the flame But imagine if she didn’t. Imagine if she was actually a decent person not as saint by any means but decent instead of cruel and abusive.

[@TheMasterBlaze]

Just remember her Evil is so primal that it cannot be destroyed and that a wish to make her not evil just makes somebody else as evil as her instead.

[@karasugatonom2020]

I feel that this is indicative of a lot of modern "redemptions". There is kind of a whole theory of morality that there arent bad people and no matter what, the true "wrong" is to not trust and accept and try your hardest to redeem people no matter what. I think its misguided and the best arguments against it are limited to "Maybe, but you cant be responsible for others. Sure, try if you can but its fine and moral to abandon people."

[@calvinbrown3034]

Nothing could redeem Vicky she was just that evil

[@Agentfoxman]

Honestly I think that a lot of people deserve a second chance to better themselves, I won’t argue that there’s some people that don’t because of stuff but some people do because of a messed up past or something similar happened and they don’t really know any other way to act. Now when it comes to vicky a part of me remembers this episode and can’t help but think what if. What if instead of going back to her old ways she took a look at herself and everything Timmy did and has done,now Timmy isn’t perfect but he’s a pretty good person and has helped out Vicky and all the other villains a few times. But what if Vicky took that and everything else that happened in that episode and decided to actually try to be a better person?

[@The_Endless_Now]

Oh she didn't mean to be bad, she's just a naturally evil person who can't bring herself to do good... What a tragic character, I really wishTimmy was more supportive of her throughout the show 🥺

[@rileyanthony]

I do like no one can do this to Timmy but me

[@mariomythes2807]

I imagine a alternate timeline/reality where Vicky IS a nice person all the time

[@jasonrandom372]

I think the so called redemption was tainted after Vicky smashed pizza on Timmy in the ski venue.

[@QueenMelody16]

I'm not sure if I've seen the episode the clip is from enough, but when Vicky is sharpening swords, the handles of the swords behind her spell "lid".

[@NightmareRex6]

and then theres the episode where shes turned into child and timmy torments her, and then when an evik bug is spawned out her donkey after rimmy wishes the evil gone out of her.

[@mettatonex7221]

"Now I know what you might be asking:" Me: How is the water staying in that fish bowl the entire time? "Isn't this supposed to be about Vicky redeeming herself?" Me: That doesn't seem as important.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Their wish granting faries that can defy physics by waving a magic stick with a star on it. Logic has left the room the moment you added magic to the equalization. He's already home by now, he left a couple hours ago

[@mettatonex7221]

@@youtubestudiosucks978 Then how were they frozen in stasis? That shouldn't be possible if they're that powerful.

[@MorganRussman-g1v]

You know, with the open wide episode, wouldn't Timmy's tonsils reappear in the back of his throat and and need to have them re-removed, possibly making his parents suspicious (if they do catch on, as utterly dumb as they were towards the end of the series) after his fairies are taken away at that one age? And, i do know there's the one episode where timmy does save Vicky and she is nice to him.

[@fluidwolf]

It's honestly a fun idea that ends up meaningless because she reverts back to entirely evil forever with basically no hints to it again.

[@sonicfan7643]

I actually noticed that nobody really talks about the episode, it’s also free on KZbin

[@UrSammich]

There are other episodes that show Vickey, in the right circumstances can be kind, nice and not evil. It's just that she never really had the best childhood. Like when Timmy turns her 5 years old, even though Timmy makes her miserable, we can see she was already in some form miserable. I guess as she got older that misery turned into rage and she took it out on everyone other than those cute, handsome, rich or famous in which she would try to use them for her gain. Honestly it seems weird considering her parents seem like the type to not wanna hurt Vickey, but I guess that one lie became the turn point. Sort of wonder if Vickey had fairly god parent(s) and what might have been the cause they disappeared.

[@krimsonkoolaid9755]

Vicky is mean to Timmy because she is secretly in love with him, and she's afraid that if she's nice to him, then they'll cross that line they shouldn't cross.

[@HarryGinn4Eva]

Um eew they're about six yrs apart and she knew him since he was at least three or four. Also i think there was an episode with her being nice while dressed like i believe snow white but like the mtn cave didn't last.

[@celoneal646]

Don’t blame Vicky 😂 blame the writers

[@delix787]

I want to see Vicky vs Mandy! 🎉

[@kiraboarthur-l7q]

I remember this when I was younger

[@trerchry]

Unfortunately, this doesn’t redeem her, at least not in my eyes. Not when she ends on still being mean to Timmy despite the two of them nearly dying back in that cave. She’s just an awful person, and being aware that she’s awful doesn’t make it any better.

[@matityaloran9157]

If anything it makes it worse

[@ChrissaTodd]

but it does tell me in her kid/teen mind she feels she has to be terrible cause people call her terrible it reminds me of when kids get villainized too much and just say "fine if you say that's who i am then so be it"

[@Criticmation]

Cool, I did a review on this episode last year.

[@sydneymullenix9071]

Let's remember that if Vicky isn't evil then Timmy would lose Cosmo and Wanda.

[@LaurenSherwood-n8i]

How could I forget about that moment. Poor Vicky being made out as the bad guy When really she’s just a lonely and sad woman

[@Rouseiryuu]

I talk about this episode all the time. Especially about that hunky delivery man.

[@bigmoe9856]

There was the episode where she was five. Frankly it shows how she used to or could've been a good kid if it werent for being bullied.

[@DICEBOY22]

I argue the parents are worse being enablers than Vicky herself.

[@BamaMophi]

This show is just a case study on how episodic story telling can hurt a story if stuck to too rigidly. This show had a lot of potential for character development for many side characters. But instead we immediately revert to their base designs, or they get written out of the show, or in cases like Timmy get character regression.

[@soulfullportrait147]

But they hugged! 😂

[@MrJomalley123]

Because she literally does more terrible things to not only Timmy but to the entire world proving again she's a horrible monster

[@summerrose7650]

While I can't say this is even slight redemption, she did drop a massive truth bomb on us that came into play later(?) How she's doesn't mean to be evil she just is, is due to the evil bug that twists the heart of anyone it latches onto.

[@Deadpool....]

i do see where people are coming from, if this redemption stuck & she improved overtime into her & timmy becoming friends, he wouldve lost his godparents. His parents may play a part but she 100% was the biggest catalyst into him being miserable enough to be given godparents in the first place

[@jcly96]

This video: "Vicky redeemed herself and nobody talks about it!!!" Vicky: **immediately goes back to being the same terrible person she's always been and that we've come to know after this episode**

[@Elipson52008]

...because it wasn't a redemption episode?

[@McFrozenNuggets]

This one episode is why I'm glad Yumi is never like Vicky. *Also voiced by Grey DeLisle. Yumi is what Vicky should've been like at times.

[@Wolfs0n]

Because not only does her "Redemption" not last even to the end of the episode. But she doubles down and continues to torture kids long after Timmy and his friends are all grown up. Rendering it beyond Moot

[@tstuart9148]

she is a bit diffrernt in th comics compared to the tv show

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

Probably because it doesn't matter after that one episode. It's not like she's suddenly nice to him after, right? It's a cheap nonsense done for an episode.

[@thecinnamonguy5127]

This doesn’t redeem jack. Vicky is still a monster

[@raspiankiado]

What redemption? She just, apologized and actively guilt tripped Timmy into comforting her, and then acted like an adult trying to "save" him.

[@ghostfantasy579]

Because in the end she reverted back to what she was and always will be. It’s not a redemption arc if she doesn’t change for the better by the end

[@zacharysheetz3701]

In the end, it was a breakthrough that didn't stick.

[@DarkonFullPower]

My left ear liked the song. ...Seriously why is it ONLY on the left side?

[@Endev_Prime]

Why? 1. Because it happened once. 2. Because it was not permanent. 3. Because if events would go in yet another way, she could become a dictator. 4. Because we dislike her.

[@robbiebloom7669]

Since this is the final episode yes it does because she was just annoyed not being evil anymore!

[@Rkay421]

Not a full redemption but she does get a few points saving her from evil incarnate and now just bad person

[@elderliddle2733]

Because it wasn’t a redemption. She immediately fell back on old habits as soon as the situation changed. A redemption has to be permanent to be considered valid. Look at DBZ for example. The reason Vegeta’s redemption was one of the best in fiction was because when he finally let go of his pride, he became a family man. He took trunks to the park like a normal father, he spent valuable time with his family, He didn’t want to fight in the Tournament of power because he would miss the birth of his daughter. That’s redemption. Vegeta permanently changed and didn’t go back, ever.

[@ldogg2488]

No Vicky is an irredeemable character. They're designed to be that way.

[@Charles-xe4ow]

Alpha Jay Show also covered on this topic, it's crazy to see how this unfolds.

[@DezAmmySel]

Answer: because she undid every good thing that was happening and reverted back to her old self within 5 minutes. *_LITERALLY._* I counted from the moment she starts crying to the moment that pizza box connected with Timmy's head. 4 minutes and 55 seconds. THAT is why nobody talks about it, it was pathetically short-lived and an utter disappointment since we only got that ONE line about the turtle in regards to why she even turned out this way (and it was nowhere near enough to actually EXPLAIN anything about her character.)

[@Jollyjose251]

Because she’s not a person who deserves a redemption

[@hopeonelove4703]

“Why is no one talking about Vicky‘s redemption episode?” Me: because it’s like the TV movies that tried to end the series… it doesn’t even matter.

[@Alewolf01]

I don't consider this a Redemption for Vicky because she goes right back to her mean ways after this episode as if this event trapped in a cave didn't happen.

[@SnowyWolborg]

No one talks about it because it's ultimately irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is, Vicky has simply caused way too much misery for Timmy and the other kids that she babysits for her to have any realistic chance of being seen as a likable character.

[@M567dk]

I wouldn't call it redemption, I rather call it series of circumstances in this case.

[@nightbane2889]

No one talks about a redemption episode, because there WASN'T a redemption episode. For someone to have redeemed themselves they must show a consistent positive change, even if they may backslide a bit. This was merely an episode where Vicky had a good moment, not a redemption.

[@LordBriareos]

While I don't think it redeemed her for what she's done prior, it does show that redemption is possible.

[@Agentfoxman]

Remind me what episode is this

[@GamergirlZ9084]

I wish they would make a fairy god parents movie where get to learn about how Vicky became that way in the first place and they would make Vicky’s grandmother the ultimate antagonist of the series As she becomes abusive towards Vicky and it will have every Kid that she has wrong during her babysitter career including Timmy all standing up to Vicky’s abusive grandmother Just defend Vicky And we get see tootie Vicky’s little sister heroically removed lose Pin on the lose door Vicky Holding on to trying to get away from her abusive grandmother witch causes the door fly off it’s Hinges letting Vicky’s horrible grandmother get What’s coming to her And the truth has finally set Vicky free

[@shishoka]

Cosmo and Wanda are the real villains here. If not for Vicki, they might get reassigned.