Why Is Ram Getting Rid Of The Eco-Diesel? (The Truth)

[@raycalandra1887]

My 2020 3rd gen Ecodiesel has been great. It tows my 6800lb Travel Trailer with ease and averages around 14 mpg doing it. Love that it has 1730lbs of payload capacity, and that it gets around 30mpg on the highway when not towing.

[@bobr7867]

Gotta disagree with the statement that the EcoDiesel is not a good towing engine. I’ve had two and they are excellent trucks. Great mileage when towing (13 to 14 mpgs with ease) and the engine isn’t screaming when doing it. The listed towing capacity of the Hemi is unrealistic since the payload limits will be hit before you ever get to the listed towing capacity. We tow our 7000 lb travel trailer all over the country and love the diesel’s efficiency and lack of drama. Can’t say the same about past trucks with the Hemi.

[@cobra-he9xj]

What does payload have to do with towing? A (2022) 5.7L w/3.92 can tow just over 11k lbs. As long as the tongue limit can handle 10% of that (for conventional towing as an example) there's no issue. And the tongue limit is 1.1k lbs so that's fine. Maybe you can explain/educate us as to what is unrealistic about the stated figures? A big limitation of the ecodiesel is that even with a 3.92 it can't handle 10k lbs. 10k (or 9900 GVWR) trailers are common, so that likely limits sales. For example: I just have a compact tractor. With loaded tires and cab it weighs over 7k lbs. So I need a 10k trailer to take it anywhere. 7.5k tractor weight+2.5k trailer weight=10k. I'm right at trailer limit, but a hemi can tow it (whereas an ecodiesel can't). And that's just a tractor with no backhoe or other attachments. Of course if you only need 7k lbs (all-in trailer weight) then the ecodiesel seems like a good fit. No reason to get the hemi. This craziness with people over-buying truck capability is beyond me. Or even people buying trucks that just use them as commuting vehicles. I scratch my head.

[@bobr7867]

@@cobra-he9xj Payload has *everything* to do with towing, and you hit on the reason why. The Max Tow Hemi has a tow rating of around 12K pounds. Payload is around 1550. Optimal tongue weight is 12% which puts the tongue weight of that 12K tow total at 1440. Add a 200 pound passenger or some tools, a heavy hitch etc and you’re over payload. The EcoDiesel with 3.92’s has a 9900 pound tow rating and the only reason it isn’t rated higher by the NHTSA is the ability to maintain a particular speed on their uphill grade test. But the diesel only missed that figure by a mile-an-hour or two. The Hemi is bumping the rev limiter to maintain that speed while the diesel sits at 3000 RPM and passes semis on the way up. I know because I’ve done it. And like I said in my first post above, the diesel is getting 50% better fuel economy vs the Hemi while doing it. My EcoDiesel fits my needs and keeps me happy while your Hemi fits the bill for you. It’s all good brother 👍😎

[@cobra-he9xj]

@@bobr7867 Yes. Absolutely good points! The newer hemi's are not so shabby though. Payload on the 12.75k version is actually 1840. And the Ram towing spec sheet recommends 10% tongue weight (I always trust the OEM when it comes to suspension geometry). Of course in my many decades of towing I've never measured anyway 😳. Probably should have. 🤔 Run the daylights outta that diesel before they make us all tow with EVs! ✌️😁

[@bobr7867]

@@cobra-he9xj Right on! I put 187,000 miles on my 2014 EcoDiesel and a big chunk of those were towing across the country. I plan on doing the same with this one - and maybe even bigger trailers 😂 Thanks so much @cobra514 !

[@icare7151]

The eco diesel is superior in towing and fuel economy. It is superior over the Hemi. The eco diesel reliability is the only reason it was discontinued, too many warranty claims.

[@Mike-jq9jo]

47,000 miles on my 2020 Ram ED. I’ve been really pleased with the vehicle. Now if only diesel would come back down.

[@APEXAerial-51]

I have the 2022 Ram Rebel 3.0 L Eco Diesel. Love it! I am currently towing a 26 foot travel trailer with a slide out across Canada with my family and dog. This thing tows with no issues. I’m climbing and descending mountain roads on the west coast and getting 19L per 100 on average. Great videos, keep up the good work!

[@JasonGray-f7v]

Forget taking that trip in an electric truck!

[@michaelghilardi3398]

I have a 21 RAM Rebel Eco Diesel, I love it! Tows well and gets 15 - 16 mpg towing a inline 20’ trailer loaded.

[@Weatherby406]

I find it hilarious that people judge towing abilities on speed and performance. It’s an endurance and efficiency event not a drag race.

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

My business partner and I have two 4th GEN EDs used commercially towing Airstream TTs from plant to dealerships. 371k miles the first motor pushed a head gasket. The 2nd motor cracked a head at 423k miles. The 3rd & last motor is still in it. His had 452k when it puked the hi pressure fuel pump. His 2nd motor is still in it. My son also has an OTR business. He has 23k on his 5th gen truck a 22 ED. It’s a hands-down a better truck then the fourth GEN truck and motor. He just placed an order for another. I also recently bought a 22 2500 Cummins which I don’t regret for my needs but I wouldn’t hesitate to order one of the new fifth GEN EDs. Some of the 2020’s already over 100k miles very few issues.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

Why is that hilarious? Most people aren't rich layabouts who have an unlimited amount of time to spend on vacation, so the less time that you spend on the road, the more time you spend on vacation. You can't use the savings that you might get by driving a diesel to buy the hours of your life back.

[@kristophercrawford3483]

I own a 2016 Ram 1500 with the EcoDiesel, which I purchased immediately after having a 2018 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I also tow a 12x6 trailer DAILY, as a replacement door and window contractor. I absolutely LOVE my diesel OVER the Hemi, in pretty much every category. Mileage, both highway, and city, and while towing or not towing, the 3.0 gets about 85% better gas mileage in all situations. Also, it does not feel “sluggish” in the least. Yes, the 5.7 can rip from a dead start, and will accelerate faster, but not THAT much more so. Besides, I have no reason/need/desire to drive it that way. Even at its peak price of $6.00/gal for fuel, (Pittsburgh, PA), I saved a lot of money at the pump. I drive quite a bit, 16,500 miles from July 2022-January 2023, and the savings has been incredible. This is my personal experience, and opinion on this engine, and it’s a shame that it’s no longer being offered.

[@S.T.F.U.19084]

I 100% agree with you. I bought the ecodiesel on a whim after having the Hemi since I was 16. I will own this diesel for the life of the car. I moved from mostly country driving (hemi wasn't bad) to city and the 5.7 got 14mpg. The gen 3 eco diesel I get 21/22 (4x4)

[@wally81000]

I absolutely LOVE my EcoDiesel; Daily driver around town, tow when I need to and still get 22 city, 25 or so highway. Bought new in 2016 and other than the emissions 'fix' (which I did notice, dropped my acceleration a bit), and other random recalls, I've never had any engine, powertrain, or any other issues, ever (other than a tensioner pulley replacement - big whoop). Kinda sad to see this engine go, I felt it was nice for those average drivers who just wanted an affordable diesel (at the time), but didn't need 18-wheeler towing capacity or weight.

[@poorlivesmatter6882]

I've had one for 15 months, 3rd generation ecodoesel, it tows good better than my 5.7 hemi I had, 3.21 gears loaded and 33 gallon tank 4x4, I love it over 45000 miles hasn't had 1 problem yet! But I'm also averging 30-32 on highway trips ,75mph , I hate to see it go!

[@DavidMosby]

My RAM gets 26mpg at 75mph. It gets 30 at 60mph. I would like to believe you.

[@toodaloo8567]

I have /16 eco diesel with 180km on it and it has been perfect so far. Fingers crossed moving forward!

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

i have a 2016 with a 13,000 miles and no problems so far. i did have a delete done several years ago

[@philgersbach6735]

I purchased my 2022 ecodesiel in June. It is has a smooth ride and gets great fuel milage. Not my good old Cummins but is sufficient.

[@mrgbluecar]

Just passed 3k miles on my 2022 Rebel Ecodiesel. Towed 7000k camper for 2k miles of that and love it! I knew there were two things I wanted to do before I even purchased the truck and those were the install of the banks derringer tuner and pedal monster. Those completely changed the truck in terms of that terrible and inconsistent throttle lag from a start and the tuner really woke up the engine. I couldn't be happier with the ecodiesel. Towing is so easy even on stock power levels, none of the drama I had towing with my 2018 Grand Cherokee 5.7 . Sure the 5.7 has power but it seems like is always working hard with lots of shifts from the tranny. I much prefer the extremely quiet and torquey diesel. On the 2k mile towing trip , we averaged right at 13.5 mpg with the 7k lb trailer. That's a mix of 70-75mph on interstates and some city driving and high mountain passes. Oil and transmission temps stayed way below what the 5.7 sees. So far , we really like this truck.

[@l8tapex]

Cool I have the last year of the Daimler/Chrysler JGC 5.7. Been fine except the suspension system and the special headlights went out. Tows and 22ft boat fine. But.... I just bought a 2022 Rebel Eco. I'm already am looking at the EGR delete cause of issues. brand new with a tune should be very nice.My buddies with the v6 cummins chevy/GMC getting 17 MPG tow ( I am in car witness) and 34 MPG no load. I just wanted the Ram suspension and interior design.

[@adamsytsma1681]

How is the tuning set up holding up? Any added mileage when your foot is out of it? I have a 22 Limited 4x4 with the Ecodiesel & the standard gear, not the optional 3.92. To say that my truck is a crutch is an understatement. I knew this going I to it. But the mileage is wonderful! I've been curious to see how that set up did with real people giving real answers. So if you have a moment, can you let me know please? If it can help with the lag off the start & give it a little extra power & make it a little Quicker, plus help mileage further.... Heck, I'm in then!

[@tashingakeith5919]

I’m watching this from Zimbabwe… here in Africa, diesel trucks sell 9-1 compared to petrol because of torque and fuel economy. I would say it’s just fake government stats that were steered by Volkswagen that put a dirty name on diesel when modern diesel engines are actually very very clean!

[@johnwhitaker3382]

I have a 2020 ecodiesel I love my truck it has plenty of power use it for everyday driver. Drive two hours back and forth to work gets 29 mpg. Only problems ive had is service at the dealer breaking stuff and over filling it with oil on an oil change. I do my own now lol.

[@allenwiddows7631]

I purchased a used 2016 Ram 1500 with the Ecodiesel with almost 80,000 miles on it. Fortunately, I also purchased an extended warranty; within 3 weeks, the cam sensor malfunctioned, essentially trashing the engine. Fortunately, it was covered by the warranty, resulting in a brand new engine for $100. I love the performance of the engine; the truck is our family driver, due to cab size-lots of leg room front and back-and fuel mileage. Around town-we’re in rural Utah, so virtually no stop-and-go traffic-we get 23-24 mpg, and out on the open highway, we get 30 mpg easily. Hopefully the cam sensor defect has been taken care of, as it was a known defect; I know I have at least another 80,000 miles on it. I don’t tow huge loads, so the ~7600 lb towing capacity doesn’t really bother me. It does what I need it to do and it does it well…

[@nategamester]

do you still get 30 mpg on I-80 when your going 75-85mph? I just bought one should get it in a week and that has me curious, I drive a lot through Nevada and Utah.

[@allenwiddows7631]

@@nategamester Yeah, as long as you don’t hit too many passes, like along I-15; even the. It stays in the mid-20s going uphill. The best place is out on the 70 between Grand Junction and Green River…

[@Offthechartsoffroad]

I just bought a 2022 Ram (RED)Limited special edition with the Eco-diesel, air ride, etc. I just hit 125 miles this morning (so it's new, new) but I absolutely LOVE this truck even though out the door with extended warranties, add Ons, etc. it was as much as a slightly used Lamborghini and I have been a Chevy guy for my entire life (Chevy needs to fix the DOD/VVT). This truck is literally the definition of luxury!

[@davidporter7051]

You say GM needs to fix DOD and VVT. I've driven over 300K miles on AFM/DFM without issues knocking on wood. Being said in our fleet there isn't a GM V8 with any more issues than other engines.

[@kg0311]

@@davidporter7051 an anecdote doesn't necessarily prove an exception or the rule

[@davidporter7051]

@@kg0311=reading and comprehension problem. Just like 99% of trollbots on KZbin. Notice I stated fleet. What kind of laziness is calling yourself K G?

[@MrLuffyk]

I have a 21 limited eco diesel that just turned 36k. This is a solid luxury platform, though the city milage is closer to 19 highway remains a solid 30+

[@adamsytsma1681]

Isn't that crazy? I too came from a couple of Silverado's & my Ram is way more comfortable, quiter, superior mileage with the Ecodiesel & has more features than I could ever ask for. I love the eam boxes & the silly barn door style tailgate. I feel like I should be in a commercial for Ram because I speak so highly of it to anyone that asks. It's a shame they are discontinuing the ecodiesel, but maybe that will help our resale values skyrocket!

[@codygorman691]

I've owned a 5.7 and an ED, and by far the ED tows much better than the 5.7. the low end torque is far more usable than the gas truck and it uses a fraction of the fuel economy.

[@150zarf]

I have a 2022 big horn with the ecodiesel. Love it! Have about 6500 miles on it. I live in the mountains of Pa. The truck has plenty of power to pull my 5k travel trailer up and down the mountains. I get about 14mpg while towing and average 25mpg per tank. I’ve had a chevy and a ford and ram just feels the best when towing.

[@chefmerricktv]

what part of pa? im from wilkes barre? im looking at a ecodiesel this week. heard some scary strories.

[@150zarf]

@@chefmerricktvLarksville. I love mine. Only issue ive had so far was with getting the recall done. I took 6 months from when the parts became available till it was finally finished. The dealer ordered the parts in November. They didn’t come in till the middle of January. Dropped it off then they called me and said they needed more parts. Couldn’t drive it had a loaner till mid April. Knock on wood no issues since getting it back.

[@razortreadway]

My old work truck was an EcoDiesel, I miss that thing, it was fun

[@jrtruckltd]

150k miles on my 2016 now. Frequently tow a 28ft tt with it across country. No issues with engine yet. Only thing that was replaced on the engine was serpentine belt and tensioner.

[@deanweller5789]

3rd gen eco diesel is an amazing engine!

[@Samuel-uz9tm]

Had a 5.7 hemi in a 2019 Ram and it towed awesome. Loved that truck.

[@plrx760]

My RAM ED is great and I love it. If the 3.0 ED is not enough, buy a 2500 with a Cummins engine.

[@rommelgamboa3328]

I have a 15 2500 Cummins and a 22 1500 ecodiesel.

[@raywong5454]

Just bought a RAM 2022 Eco diesel Runs really strong 28 miles per gallon quite smooth lots of power.. Love my new ECO DIESEL!!

[@rev.redhand6205]

Me too I love my ecodiesel.

[@raywong5454]

@Watchman Soon Diesel fuel prices will begin to drop. Will make it less expensive to own. No reason why diesel is more per gallon than regular fuel. Diesel is refined from heavy crude oils which cost less to refine than unleaded fuels. I plan on changing the engine oil every 5k miles. It will be worth it for longevity.. use the oil recommended...

[@rev.redhand6205]

@@raywong5454 Yes that's right good maintenence is key to longevity to the ecodiesel. I just love diesel in general that's what I do for a living I'm a diesel tech for kenworth, so I'm a big fan of the ecodiesel. I live on our family farm we have a 3500 ram to haul hay and etc. But I wanted something a little cheaper on the wallet to fill up and not so bulky to drive around town. So the ecodiesel was kind of a no brainer for me.

[@raywong5454]

@Watchman Funny I retired as a auto tech 35 years. Working on many diesels during my 1st 10 years. I just love Diesels in general.. The RAM dealer recommended 10K between oil changes. I'm gonna change oil and filter. every 5K. You will have a piece of mind when you do that. I'll do it myself. I don't trust the quick lube guys athe the dealers. They are too occupied on their cell phone texting and no paying attention. I have seen too many drain plugs fall out over the years.. Don't want to have to have my new RAM needing a new Diesel engine. Lol

[@rev.redhand6205]

@@raywong5454 Yes sir that's no joke. Yes I'm not changing mine at 10k either it seems to drawn out for me to feel comfortable. The more maintenence you do the better off you are going to be, I've never heard of too many oil changes being an issue lol. I am truly impressed with the truck I know you hear a lot of guys on here doging the ecodiesel but what are they driving? I haven't ever heard of a make or model with a perfect record, that just doesn't exist...

[@BeagleBark]

Love my 2020 diesel, pulls my 6000 lb trailer nicely, can drive around town, road trips 32mpg, love it. Now chevy is the only small diesel. Bring back the 3.0!

[@jangofett5806]

Ram lost my business I was trying to buy a 22/23 rebel with the 3.0L Diesel. The fact that they made this decision last minute not allowing owners to get a order in for a Rebel. I’m going to GM. This is all about globalism, it’s power control. They don’t want us driving fossil fuel vehicles. But you have to get rid of the diesel option first. I wasn’t worried about the towing in a Rebel this was about off road long range endurance. Disagree with you Ben lots of us buy Ram Diesel. But bottom line you can’t order a Rebel Right now.

[@jemery3]

same, I was trying to order one also. Hell they it had it as an option for the rebel in their own press release a week prior! and now dealers are already being a pain for left over 22's

[@astonr007]

I Have a 2022 limited 4 X 4 eco-Diesel and love it. It has 19,000 miles on it and I average 29 to 30 mpg on the road and 27 in the city. It tows my 2360 Ranger boat with ease at 18 to 20 mpg and so far I have had no issues with the truck. Ride on the road is better than any previous truck I have owned, Ford or GMC. It's a shame the RAM has discounted this engine and I would never buy and electric truck.

[@nusudahwdo3181]

I love my eco diesel, 17k problem free miles. The only complaint I have is it’s not as zippy as the 5.7, it’s not slow but, it could be faster. but it is a diesel after all so remember it’s not designed to go that fast.

[@joshr961]

I completely disagree with this. I think it’s way beyond “reliability and the competition” absolutely not. Every lot I go to ford Chevy and ram every single one of them and I mean every one of them may have only had 1-2 diesels in there make. But for every 1 eco diesel I seen they’re was Atleast 100 hemis sitting on the lot unsold. It’s been this way since 2018 in my area of Florida. It’s as if they don’t want people owning them. I’ve been trying to find one I liked for YEARS. And here I am. Stuck with only 1 option. The 3.0 duramax and not 1 dealership has one in stock near me within a 50 mile radius.

[@timbrundrett5419]

I love my EcoDiesel it's a 15 and tows better than my hemi 15 I had.. no big issues got it at 22k miles in 19 and now have 85k miles for $22k out the door

[@bryanlewis8891]

I like the eco diesel in my Jeep. I wish it put out the 480 tq that the truck tuned motor does but the 442 tq is still pretty good.

[@kg0311]

You can get them tuned by Green Diesel pretty easily for that extra power. The engines can obviously handle it

[@danielsoutdoors]

I have an eco diesel and tow boats around everyday over 12 mpg. No issues 80k miles. I will get one more before they cancel it because the interior is nicer then anything else out there.

[@raywong5454]

They are dropping the ECO DIESEL Jan 2023. The newest version is really nice. You are correct the interiors are like luxury cars!!

[@markholifield2675]

I have a 2022 ecodiesel with the 3.92 rear end. I pull a farrier trailer which only weighs 2,800 lbs but rarely unhook from it. The truck pulls the trailer like it is not back there and get 20-22 mpg pulling it. I have a 34 ft camper that weighs 9,000 lb dry so loaded I’d guess 10,000. I have more than enough power to pull it with ease. I added air bags to the rear of the truck and with the farrier trailer I run 18 psi in the air bags and 80 psi with the camper. The truck suspension and tires are really not heavy enough for the camper but I only tow it 100 miles to and from a horse show 3 times a year so I can deal with that. I get around 13 pulling the camper which I live in Missouri and we have hills. I get 30-35 mpg without the trailer more on flat ground. I’ve had both the 6.4 and 5.7 hemi and loved them both, they just didn’t get the fuel mileage I get with the ecodiesel. The 5.7 I had I put a cold air intake and changed the exhaust and was a crotch rocket far as running and towing but the fuel mileage wouldn’t compare to the ecodiesel and with the camper the ecodiesel would it pull the 5.7 in my opinion. With fuel prices the way they are I figured the cost per mile and was saving $125- $150 per week in fuel savings with the miles I weekly run during peak season. The only trouble I have had is fuel quality in my area and the service engine light will sometimes come on when I get biodiesel at certain places. I put Hot Shots fuel and injector cleaner in the truck and run a tank of regular diesel and the light goes out, it never runs bad during any of the process. I service my own truck every 10,000 miles, I run Mobile 1 synthetic diesel engine oil and change the oil and fuel filter each time. It cost me around $102 to service the truck, at the dealership they want $300 which it is 2.5 qts more oil then changing a gas engine. I’m not paying them a jacked up price for service because it is a diesel when the oil is only $4/gal higher than the oil for gas as engine. All in all I’m very satisfied with the ecodiesel

[@djdentley]

I was hoping the Big 3 was going to start a performance war of light-duty diesels. 3-liters seems to be the right size, then adding hybrid tech to further boost fuel economy. Ford and now Ram both bowed out. Kinda sad.

[@raywong5454]

They want the EV trucks to get going. I don't think truck owners are ready for the inconvenience of charging the truck every night and on the road waiting in line off the freeway in sweltering heat or freezing cold. When you are towing or just a loaded bed. The battery charge will drop even faster. I think internal combustion engine including diesel are going to hold their value even more so. Since they will be cutting production of them. Stay tuned!!

[@kenmccune8843]

That's a shame dodge get rid of the eco-diesel

[@TramaineleDay5655]

I will say I really like my 3rd gen '20 ecodiesel. It is a great motor. Towing is always a catch 22, I have a Limited with a 10,800 towing. As for as the 3l dmax has its list of issues. That is part of why for '23 they have a version 2. Whe the 3l dmax came out its towing was low at 9300/9500lbs, but again stepping up to a ltz or high country you were looking at under 9k. I'm no brand loyalist and will say the dmax has better unloaded and loaded acceleration than the ecodiesel. I find that the short lived 3l powerstroke had better acceleration and just as good milage as the ecodiesel. I've driven all three but only have the ecodiesel. All in all it's sad to see it leave, the powerstroke leave, and I believe by 2025/26 the dmax will be gone as well.

[@Hard_7_Iron]

It wasn’t that popular because it was a $4000 option! I have a 2016 model, and it runs great. But I’m not towing 10,000 pounds everywhere I go. The greenies have been allowed to $hit on everything that runs on diesel or gas…. While they are enjoying blackouts and the inability to charge their “E” trucks….I’ll be driving down the road (560 miles plus per tank)… MY THOUGHTS would be KEEP making the diesel!

[@calcalahan2336]

Had a 2106 Ecodiesel. The engine failed at 96,000 km. FCA was very difficult about the warranty but eventually caved in and replaced the motor. That motor failed 26,000 km later.

[@hardtailnation3260]

I got to say my least favorite thing about my eco diesel is it’s payload capacity, I have a 2015 longhorn and it’s payload is 807 pounds.

[@chrisblackasr7095]

I had a 2016 1500 ecodiesel. It had no power and I found myself leaning forward when I pulled out onto the road. Very scary.. It had a major recall that dodge couldn't fix because of the backlog so I got rid of it

[@grillnanchilln]

Love my 22 eco diesel 20k so far and averaging 28-34mpg tows a car hauler trailer with two side by sides and two four wheelers just fine and still get 25mpg towing that setup in the foothills of the Ozarks

[@mikelemoine4267]

I have a 2014 Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel and it was great until they retuned it for the EPA. They increased the lag horribly (3 seconds from the time you hit the throttle and the time it moves) and it always felt like I had a camper trailer on the back of it. We had it dealer serviced since it came with a maintenance contract, changed oil every 5K miles (2x more often than FCA suggested), changed fuel filters every 15K and took really good care of it, but it locked up on me one day without warning 200 miles into a 225 mile road trip. This happened 4000 miles after the dealer changed the EGR cooler under recall along with the intake manifold, valve covers and turbo hoses due to them melting (1 step before engine fire, I was told). I had already had a front main seal leak fixed twice (1 warranty, 1 under ext. warranty 4K before it blew) a brake booster (my 21 year old F150 still has the original), windshield squirters disintegrated, the leather dash peeled 2x (1 under warranty), the windshield cowl strip fell apart at 5 years old and made farting sounds at highway speeds (never had one fall apart even on antiques). The rubber roof gutter strips are now coming loose because they used foam tape to hold them on. An engineer I know from FCA told me they knew these engines wouldn't work well in the USA due to the tolerances not being designed for the soot load of EGR systems, but Fiat forced them. My brand new $13K engine with only 25K on it has already had the front timing cover seal go bad and the thing consumes oil, about a quart every 500 miles (the original never did, at least until it puked all of it on the highway from the big hole in the block). It's been waiting for the fuel pump recall for over a year, I'm running some Hotshots in every tank and hoping for the best. This vehicle felt and performed like a very premium SUV when it was new but it has squeaks and rattles now. It stinks as it drives great, had decent power, towed well the couple of times I towed with it and got great fuel economy, but the quality is horrible. They used too much plastic under hood and went with the cheapest bidder on anything they could. My extended warranty expires October 14, 2024 and I'm trading it in October 13th. I've hear great things about the newer Ecos but would neve risk it again especially with all of the emissions complexity of diesels. I like the new Rams with the Hurricane or even the new electric/gas model, but it seems like it takes them 5+ years to address the design flaws. Not sure what I'll buy. Toyota sounds good for reliability (not lately, but they at least stand behind it), but they are boring. Might have to spruce up my 21 year old F150 Harley Edition and just use it as my DD again:-).

[@douglashardy177]

Hi Ben, I have a 2022 ram rebel eco-diesel with a 26 gallon fuel tank. I’ve been told you can get this exact model with a 33 gallon fuel tank. My question is why is it that I’m being told I cannot have a dealership switch my 26 gallon for 33 gallon without it costing me upwards of $15-$16,000.

[@BryanRojo]

2 3rd gen ecodiesels here moderate towing 1 is 130k trouble free (except fuel pump recall) 2,nd ,80k trouble free miles. Been running Schaeffer's oil in both recently started treating diesel with sacheffer carbon treat

[@matthewmorrow3378]

Not sure you have ever driven one if you thinks it sucks at towing , my 2019 pulls 10k on a regular basis as well as my 2001 cummins did stock

[@InLineDiesel6]

The title says the "truth" yet your video is made up of opinions without any statics, for example, actual sale numbers. Also, the ED is NOT a $4995 cost when compared to the Hemi given that the V6 gasser is the standard engine in most trims. The Hemi is a $2800 option and the ED is a $2200 cost over the Hemi. If you are going to bother making a video at least get the information you want to present correct and supported.

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Two weeks ago I bought an Ecodiesel Wrangler and so far I love it.

[@jameseroh6544]

I have a '16 Ecodiesel Quadcab 4wd with 3.92 Ratio. I was looking forward to buying a new truck in 2 years with this engine. But I understand the engine will continue in the Wrangler. I am a taller guy. With a taller son. My grandson may be taller too! A Wrangler or Gladiator are not roomy enough. My wife has an '18 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L Cummins. The Cummins is a beast! But the weight is 2,200# heavier than my Ecodiesel. The Ecodiesel is smoother to drive on ice or on snow. The Cummins would be okay with the 4cyl version and an 8-speed ZF transmission. Would absolutely be perfect in a Powerwagon. The Ecodiesel in a powerwagon with 4.56 gears, and 35" tires from the factory would have been a good option too!

[@rspencer9489]

In overseas markets it is very popular. In GC’s mainly and the market is really annoyed that they killed it. Like all turbo diesels these days it suffers from the particulate environmental issues. Shoving it back into the intake manifolds and ultimately the sump is crazy. Oil pickups block, as do inlet manifolds and exhausts, performance drops, engines fail. They improved this on last unit, but needed a retrofit to get their support story in order! The 3.0 ecodiesel pulls like a train for those loads that a 1500Ram or Grand Cherokee should have. It doesn’t compete with the Cummins in larger trucks.

[@harryrusby6877]

Just bought 2023 Laramie eco diesel, 26 gal tank local rural 630 mi range love it

[@icare7151]

They should have refined it and kept the eco diesel. ❤Ram 1500 with EcoDiesel. Great for towing.

[@clearcut6818]

The truth: it's a business decision. That's all.

[@kevingrover1925]

Totally stupid decision by ram. They were just starting to gain traction in market share. This is a going to hurt them badly

[@nathanpipes9363]

We have a 2021 with 33000 on it already we pull our gooseneck trailers with it and we love it 11680 lbs 0 to 80 1/2 mile and 17 miles to the gallon

[@Armyani]

As a light duty I will take Ram any day just for the ride. Diesel or gas.

[@James-bj2qv]

2018 Eco Diesel FAILED! EGR Failed twice, so I had Dodge do the delete. I was just about to change the front brake pads for the first time (I tow a heavy trailer once a week, but am slow to accelerate and brake, therefore gentle on my equipment) BUT at 135K kms, the bottom end went! Needless to say, I'm very disappointed in Dodge releasing an untested engine! Of course it's out of warranty. Dodge said they would have covered it under 'good will', but because an EGR delete was done (and by the Dodge dealership no less) they won't cover it! I only had the delete done because they released such a flawed engine that suffocates itself! I wanted the 'Eco' part of the name too! Dodge is harming relationships between clients and dealerships. Dealerships shouldn't need to cover the lack of support by Dodge.

[@CrumResearch]

yes yes, plug-in hybrid RAM truck would be great, with either large diesel or gas, just not a wimpy engine

[@moscty]

Maybe making room for the 3L hurricane engine while keeping the V8s???

[@lindaphillips4292]

I loved the efficiency of the 2016 EcoDiesel and all the features of the Laramie package until they said you got to get the update from the EPA I went from 31 Mi to gallon to 23, sluggish power, lack of power when going up a graded hill in the accelerate. It's was devastating to say the least! 😢

[@HoboHiney]

I got the 3rd generation in a Rubicon and it's Really Great ( so far)

[@DavidMosby]

My 2015 ECodiesel cratered when I tromped on the accelerator. Thank God the warranty covered it. I will NEVER do that again. I have looked at the Duramax and don't like it due to the belt which must be replaced. I learned on this video that RAM fixed problems with this engine. Maybe they will bring it back when they see Chevy's numbers. I loved I got19mpg towing a 6000lb boat. I was a feather foot on the pedal.

[@MrImanana]

This is crazy timing for me. I've been trying to decide between the ecodiesel and duramax for the past couple months. The overall truck I like the Ram better, but I enjoyed driving the Duramax engine more. More zip. I can't configure the truck I want with Chevy though . You cannot get a standard bed with a bench seat unless you go for the custom trail boss, which I don't want because of the lack of options in the trim. Ram scares me a little now because they are bailing on this engine. Not sure what to do.

[@nusudahwdo3181]

I have the 3rd gen eco diesel and the engine has been nothing but flawless. It only has 17k miles on it but, It has started up in -40c multiple times no problem, and I driven all day with it multiple times with no problems. it is an excellent engine, but I will admit, there is not as much power as the 5.7.

[@kg0311]

@@nusudahwdo3181 the 5.7 is just time proven

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

The EDs not dead it’s just coming out of the 1500s. The Hemi & Pentastar may follow by the end of 23. Instead of Three engines to meet our needs, The alternate of choice that they are going to let us looks to be three versions of the same new 3 L six cylinder gas motor. A single turbo, a TwinTurbo high output, and the base motor Plus battery and electric motor as a hybrid. The bean counters will win at least hypothetically on paper. Whether Ram continues to gain market share or lose market share with this strategy remains to be seen. As to the powertrains. The 10 speed still seems to be quirky & problematic in the trucks. I don’t like that the GMs cannot be tuned such as for improving the exhaust brake and cruise control operations EGR etc. That said I like the power; 305 HP 495 TQ. I see EOC’s dyno sheet for the Ram (with only the stage 1 tune) shows 50 HP and 30 ish torque at the wheels plus better mileage etc. Since Rams is rated 260 HP 480 TQ I suppose this would conservatively translate to 310 HP 510 TQ. Pretty comparable. Naturally you would not have to contend with EGR on a tuned truck. Still you would likely want the 3.92 gear to outperform the GM in acceleration or towing Or the 3.21 & tune to beat GMs fuel economy. My business partner and I have two 4th GEN EDs used commercially towing Airstream TTs from plant to dealerships. 371k miles the first motor pushed a head gasket. The 2nd motor cracked a head at 423k miles. The 3rd & last motor is still in it. His had 452k when it puked the hi pressure fuel pump. His 2nd motor is still in it. My son also has an OTR business. He has 23k on his 5th gen truck a 22 ED. It’s a hands-down better truck then the fourth GEN truck and motor. He just placed an order for another. I also recently bought a 22 2500 Cummins which I don’t regret for my needs but I wouldn’t hesitate to order one of the new fifth GEN EDs. Some of the 2020’s already over 100k miles very few issues.

[@icare7151]

The end of Ram & Jeep The EV WOKE “Green New Deal” movement is the biggest scam in power generation utilities and consumer automotive history; especially in the truck & large suv segment that require heavy payloads, medium to long rage towing, extended off road use and long distance travel applications. Do the math: “Diesel is the most efficient combustion engine fuel source, carrying 38 kilowatt hours of energy in every gallon - 27 times that of lithium ion batteries.” Dropping diesel, gas and then PHEV engines, totally nuts as everyone seems to forget about the limitations of todays power grid. Like diesel and gasoline, the energy density of coal and natural gas are superior to the best lithium batteries for power generation and “energy storage”. In fact, it may take up to 30 years and trillions of dollars in constant upgrades to provide reliable and affordable net zero green power generation & power energy storage just to attempt to keep up with the increasing EV charging demands, not to mention the massive growing illegal foreign migration being allowed into the USA at alarming rates. In fact, it is estimated that these undocumented, illegal immigrants will increase power grid utility demands over 25% yearly if the trend doesn’t stop immediately. Further, as coal and natural gas power plants are being replaced with wind, solar and costly battery storage required to balance the grid, states doing so on large scales are FAILING; resulting in both blackouts and consumers leaving the states by masses unable to afford the significant constant utility bill increases, required for net zero power generation / battery energy storage. In conclusion: It’s totally premature to delete natural gas & coal power generation, diesel, v8 gas and then PHEV engines being replaced by today’s unaffordable EV trucks and large SUVs that are also dysfunctional in many applications and green energy power generation all require expensive degrading toxic battery storage, the mathematical realities are already proving doing so at this point in time is absolutely nuts.

[@miketindall8585]

Never got to drive the eco diesel. Just the Duramax. Was impressed.

[@gabrylsisneros4791]

I've only ever seen one eco diesel and my buddy got rid of it when he had to take it back for the emissions update... I LOVE my LM2 though that thing is a beast

[@TRX2021]

I've had both Diesels from Chevy (2021) and Ram (2022) in 1500 series and IMO the Ram had a better motor let alone the Ram interior and exterior looks better and I'm not brand partial but better truck partial since I had both.

[@atvracin74]

Selling my hemi E-Torque hauled a dump trailer with 4 tons of rock with my buddy’s 3.0 duramax and then tried it with a ecodiesel… I actually just bought a ecodiesel to give you the conclusion. Ecodiesel got canceled due to the facts unrelated to the reliability of the engine itself trust me I dug deep here.

[@Genjoi236]

Isn't the maintenance on the ecodiesel stupidly expensive also?

[@briankulp9597]

no its a 100 to do and oil change in my wifes 3.6 jeep and i can do a oil change for about 120.00 when i do it myself in my truck

[@kg0311]

@@briankulp9597 if you do yourself. Not everyone does that, so for people who don't it's labor, typically 70-80 for '1 hour' (ofc they round up) which is 200 for them total. But I do encourage people to learn.

[@ahighervibe4086]

You clearly have never personally towed with an ecodiesel to say the 5.7 is better at towing!

[@warrengauthier4699]

Is there anyway to bulletproof the Eco-Diesel or is it just guaranteed to die?

[@yarrik701]

The oiling issue that led to the eco diesel engines grenading themselves, at least early on really hurt the engine. That, and unlike what you get with full size cummins diesel in a ram, the eco diesel looks like it is an absolute pain to work on.

[@vmxg8052]

The oiling issue was the EGR dumping too much dirty blowby into the engine and plugging up the oil journals for the main bearings. Disable the EGR and even after 4k miles, the oil still looks new. The EGR is contaminating and destroying the oil.

[@normanflint8757]

​@@vmxg8052change the oil muchly,,direct injection even in gas pots clump up the oil,, hence the new 6 designation on the oils that slows this,,it was, stopping lubrication of the timing chains..

[@adrianfigueroa630]

Current infrastructure can't support full electrification. Why can't people see that?

[@elibrown9442]

Would’ve been a better sell and outcome if ram would’ve went with the v8 Cummins that the Nissan titan had

[@Shofarman1]

Is the eco diesel going to be discontinued on jeep JL and JT also?

[@thebenhardyshow]

No news on that

[@jonathanalea]

I searched this before coming to the comments…

[@cardonaman]

Ram is just taking notes from taco bell....pulling the product people love just to bring it back

[@frederickflintstone9847]

I love the driving dynamics of the Ram 1500 (for a pickup). I would have purchased an Ecodiesel, but my reliability concerns with the engine and the almost comically low payload numbers for Ram trucks put it out of contention. The Duramax was awfully tempting, (I own a 3500HD Duramax), but the new GM trucks are so hideously ugly that that one dropped off the list as well. For a small diesel, I was left with a Colorado or and F-150. The Lion F-150 engine is not a stand-out, but it's does waht I need and it's reliable. So far I'm at 70,000 miles with no issues at all. A Titan fuel tank gives me 1200 miles of usable range. Finally, the aluminum body was one of the biggest factors in my purchasing decision. I would have loved to see an F-150 with a Duramax and coil spring suspension, but life is full of compromises.

[@tres311]

Dmax is Isuzu and is primarily owned by GM. Cummins is the route to go! Duramax are great too but stay away from the fords. These ecodiesels are Italian engines so I would stay away from a fix it again Tony

[@RCjunkie]

Eco-Diesel powertrain what is the best rear gear would you get?

[@jemery3]

just put a deposit on a 2022 sand dune metallic diesel yesterday!... after Ram not allowing the eco diesel on the rebels for 2023 rebels. Should have waited for the LZ0? probably but I wanted the truck now after not being able to get the 2023 Eco diesel rebel and dealers all of a sudden not wanting to make a deal on the 2022's after the announcement

[@henryhallock7463]

Pulls any thing I've put behind it,and I'm an old school farmer. Can't say what I would like to, would be considered disrespect

[@tritontransport]

I have a 2002 good old 5.9 CTDwith 155k mile, just dumped about 6k into it for a bunch of repairs so I plan on driving it until it falls apart from rust 🥺. I have no desire to buy any of these new fandango trucks and will avoid it as long as I can. I drove one for 3 weeks when mine was getting overhauled and I hated the idea that the gear shifter is a round knob on the dash 🤔 and for 4x4 you push a button. Too much electronics that will cost a fortunate to fix when they fail

[@jonathantackett1901]

Never bought mine to be a two rig the ecodiesel was designed for fuel economy never seen a VW Jetta with a 16 foot trailer behind it if you want towing rig buy a 3/4 ton in any make

[@madusmaxamus8670]

It is very common for the US car makers to produce something new and then let the buyers sort out the problems with them. I was in the auto repair industry for 45 years and seen it time after time with foul ups in engines, transmissions, and bodies of US built cars time and time again. That is why I won't purchase a US built car. I know better.

[@commonsensecitizen4797]

Hey Ben, thanks for the video. I have my eye on a 2021 Ram Rebel EcoDiesel - not sure its an early or late 2021. I just wanted it to drive to and from work and haul stuff when I move. Is this YEAR a good buy or should I stick with a gasoline Ram Rebel?

[@DavidMosby]

Diesels need to be driven til hot to burn off soot. It depends how far is your work. To and from the grocery store I drive my wife's Lexus.

[@stayfreenotsafe]

People need to be realistic about what they're towing with ANY 1/2 ton truck. I have a 2014 Longhorn ecodiesel with 200,000 miles and its still as strong and efficient as its always been. Bottom end torque is much better than hemi's I've owned. The "failure" of this engine, in my opinion, is first and foremost the government and their ridiculous "green" mandates and second, people that have no business owning a diesel. Too many people dont under how important the regular maintenance is for any diesel vehicle and the manufacturers suggested intervals are not good either.

[@midengineZ06]

The fact that Rams 3.0L V6 Ecodiesel and Fords Lion 3.0L V6 were never truck engines from initial design one was originally designed for a Cadillac SUV the other was designed for a Land Rover

[@proudcanadian67]

Eco Diesels engines are well known to blow up around 100K kilometres. That's why it was finished off. My engine was 109K when it blew. Dodge did nothing. Warranty over F U basically. Sad, I was a Dodge guy my whole life. Father and Grandfather before me. Done with them. There will be a class action organized someday for sure over this BS.

[@dano9176]

Which gen ED?

[@hrd4mud]

Strait six in Chevy vs v6 in dodge. One would have thought dodge learned from their cummins popularity a strait six is the best diesel platform. There is a reason semis are a strait six !

[@markodordevic3419]

Anyone who want the full size truck with great fuel mileage and great towing capacity there is no better choice, HOWEVER you have to chop it out aka delete the emissions if you want to see any mileage on this truck, emissions are notoriously bad on this truck, even with recall engine is a ticking time bomb.

[@icare7151]

The 3rd gen eco diesel is extremely popular here in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. It’s towing capability is second to none. Total lie saying it doesn’t have good towing capability.

[@TXghost74]

I have a 2016 Ecodiesel with 131,000 on it....I bought used with 80,000 already on and I have not had any issues. I did take it in and had re-flashed with updated software and I also added a small plug and play tuner to it. This little box ups the HP to 300 and I only get light turbo lag when it's cold. The turbo on these in my opinion is the only real part that could have been better.

[@citizentex5720]

I’d be glad if more people got electric vehicles. Maybe that will bring the price of fuel down.

[@bobbyray1985]

They should put it in the Wagoneer...

[@briankulp9597]

it would be nice there a big suv

[@kg0311]

Nah, they have the hurricane.

[@briankulp9597]

ive owned both a 2015 it was great just a little slow but my 2022 is so much better power sand wise just go and pull everything i own better and quiter then my 6.4 2500 but i do miss the payload of the 2500 and i have been averageing 23.5 to 24 mpg for the 11000 miles i have on it now

[@willsaccoccia166]

What year did the new version of eco diesel start?

[@rommelgamboa3328]

2020 3rd gen. I have a 22 ecodiesel. Fiat changed 80% of the engine.

[@chrisholifield8571]

People buying the 5.7 don't understand that the truck get 12mpg if you aren't towing... I can't afford a Ram if Biden is president and it isn't an ecodiesel

[@jamestarzia79]

I have a 22 1500 Limited w/ the Hemi. I get 11 mpg pulling my 21’ Bass boat. Without the trailer Highway 25 mpg and City 18 mpg. It’s not terrible. If I put an exhaust on it, those numbers will drop! Lol

[@threeraid]

The mpg you get on these diesels in the real world let’s say 25mpg does not make up for how expensive diesel is right now at the pump. If diesel was almost the same price as gasoline then it would be a no brainer.

[@PreciousAlpschindler]

Maybe the ecodiesel would last longer if they used Cummins ISF 2.8 or even B4.5 instead of a crappy VM Motori

[@btl4220]

Eco Diesel still available for Jeep ??

[@TomBarrio]

2021 Eco, is awsome, no issues.

[@nathanpipes9363]

And we have a Peterbuilt with 565-2050 in it and we think our 1500 pull's just as good as it does

[@PeymanSultan-wn6iw]

Maybe I should buy one BECAUSE it’s going out of manufacturing. Might be worth a lot some day.

[@abdullahalyusufi4]

I feel so sad about the ecodiesel so I'm gonna keep my Laxery truck longhorn ecodiesel 2020 So I'm lucky I have it , 79000km.