Why is the Atonement Necessary? (The Science of Salvation) // Cleon Skousen

[@shaneplummer37]

I have listened, read and studied this talk dozens of times over 25 years. This is an amazing video, thank you!

[@idawanagivittoya7585]

I hope to take advantage of this such as you have. Amazing!

[@establishingzion688]

Same here! One of my favorite talks ever!

[@tashaguinn9987]

Same here! This was beautiful with imagery and the scriptures! Thank you for this treasure.

[@ericraff629]

Well said Shane. I am in total agreement. Wonderfully put together and easier to share with others. Thank you so much for your dedication and time to putting this together.

[@alindalt2897]

I discovered it about ten years ago. I love this talk.

[@lightscenters111]

I am 66 years old now. When I was 19 at BYU. I took a religion class from Cleon Skousrn at BYU. I loved it so much that I took 2 more of his classes. In one of them he taught for a several classes in a row on this principle. He called it God Science. I was stunned. I marked every scripture and linked to the next scripture with notes in the margins. It changed me forever. So grateful bro Skousrn shared this with us. I soooo love Jesus the Christ. His great work of creation, loving us and then sacrificing His blood and life for us to atone forever for us. This is the most important thing that was ever done in our universe. I will love Him forever and our Father and His plan, that not only created us, but saved us and provided a way to exalt us if we but do our small part. Hallelujah to God and the Lamb.

[@carolswarbrick1722]

@@lightscenters111 oh you were in his class ...just magnificent... perfect

[@brucebooth4489]

I can't imagine being in his class, please share anything else you can think of.... WOW

[@MunroMurdock]

Blessed to have Cleon as my great Uncle. What a wise and kind man. So glad you were able to get a lot from his classes!

[@lightscenters111]

@@MunroMurdock He was amazing.. I sooooo loved his classes.. I would come early, get out my scriptures and his study books and then my pens for notes and get ready to zoom along with him.. He was quite a thinker.. and would stop and make comments as he went.. and chuckle a little here and there, with many antidotes to this and that story.. I remember him coming into the classroom.. and walking to the lectern and putting his books down and looking up at all of us 'kids' and smiling.. He was such a humble and great man at the same time. I had already read his whole 1000 year series in HS.. and knew how his mind worked a bit.. so I followed along with him easily.. some of the others didnt follow so easily.. but I was well primed and just LOVED his classes.. I can remember him talking of the prophets and their great power for good and a few other things.. But I deeply remember him talking of 'God Science" and the great power of our God and His great work for us. Bro Skousen spoke with such love for Jesus Christ, for our Constitution and for our leaders.. Very grateful memories here.

[@lightscenters111]

@@brucebooth4489 I wrote what I can remember below .. hope that helps.. :)

[@garywoodward8296]

I haven't heard this talk for 30 years plus years. It has more meaning to me now than it did then. Christ's atonement is the deep doctrine of this Church, it is the gospel. Thanks for bringing it to life again for me.

[@ProlineImagery]

I love this, how can I like it 1,000 times… 1 like is not enough for me. Well done. You are my new hero

[@jodie672]

I have never heard this talk! That was the best 25 minutes of my whole day! I love to study the science behind how things work. This video is hands down, the best I’ve seen, as it helped me to better understand God and the power I have through Him and my words. Thank you 🙏

[@nickhoward3040]

Beautiful video, thank you! Love this talk, so powerful!

[@lauriedewberry5378]

I'm speechless after watching this and the tears won't stop flowing. I've never heard this talk before. It's changed something in me, and I've recently taught three lessons on the Atonement of Jesus Christ in seminary. This was by far the best explanation for me to understand on a deeper level of what our Savior did for us, Thank you for your brilliant work in sharing truth in such a powerful way!

[@nathanking3910]

Question for you if you don’t mind. I’ve become quite curious of the Mormon religion. Something I don’t understand however is the fact that the atonement isn’t addressed in this video. He just says that Jesus died so that the intelligences would see how much we mean to him therefore they, the intelligences, allow us to go to Heavenly Father. Here is my question. Why worship Heavenly Father when he cannot actually save us according to this video? It is the permission of the intelligences. Why not worship those instead?

[@sukt00]

That’s a good question, and probably (I haven’t found a specific rebuttal yet) a reason why this isn’t doctrine. This is Skousen’s opinion on how the atonement functioned, but of the people I’ve asked about this talk, none have known it. Podcasters I’ve seen when this idea of the atonement is mentioned reply with a chuckle and an eyebrow raised “yeeeaah”. So take from that what you will. It’s a good idea, but the how and why Christ is the only one that can save is a mystery as far as I’ve found. Maybe the intelligences are more of a function than a thinking thing, but then why would they respond to mercy? There’s probably doctrinal issues I’m not even thinking of, maybe.

[@janeharbour853]

Thank you! As a convert I have never heard this talk. I listened on the way to sacrament meeting this morning and teary eyed before I even entered the building. I am so grateful you brought this to our attention and labored to add the beautiful video and audio content. You are very much appreciated.

[@ylwpaul]

I watched an old recording of Brother Skousen presenting this information to some missionaries. This production is very well done. Very powerful.

[@GamingLegend002]

Thank you for this insight into Jesus Christ & the Atonement. I was moved to tears after watching this. The Atonement is powerful & real.

[@nathanking3910]

I agree the atonement is powerful! Praise God for sending his Son who is also God to die on the cross for us to redeem us from our sin. He took our penalty so justice would be satisfied and we could still go to heaven. That isn’t what this man said though. He said that Jesus died so that the intelligences would be convinced that we mean a lot to Him and that mercy could be given because mercy trumps justice. I don’t think that’s the case at all! His example about Abe Lincoln isn’t mercy trumping justice. There was no justice done. Sure the mother gets her son. But what about the family of the other victims? They have no justice. No mercy. There is no justice according to this video. Jesus wasn’t punished because our sin required a sacrifice. Jesus was crucified so the intelligences would be convinced to allow us to heaven. According to this video at least

[@idawanagivittoya7585]

I am blown away by this talk! I have understood a lot of this in my life in bits and pieces but to have it articulated as such paints a powerful understanding of who we are and how the purposes of the universe are brought about. Thank you thank you thank you for this!

[@theresasoaft2201]

Oh my what a beautiful compilation of a talk and gospel teachings with artistry! Profoundly moving! What a incredible way to teach with the Spirit.

[@TheArmstrongWhanau]

Wow!! The power of visual and audio edited together with pure heart in righteous intentions is seriously beautifully mind blowing! Watching and listening to this…and I’ve stoped at 6mins..(because it’s sooo good).. has taken my mind to a deeper perspective of who I truly am because of him! Thank you!

[@wendyfoster5579]

Cloen Skousen was a great follower of Christ. You have a real gift for presentation.

[@shawnajones2038]

These truths are so amazing and after listening so many times I scarce can take it in! I still stand amazed

[@nathanking3910]

I’m curious about this video. He said that Heavenly Father created two things. Things to act and things to be acted upon. Those things that act are intelligences. He goes on to say that the intelligences are essentially more powerful than Heavenly Father because if they stop believing in him he loses his power. Why do you believe in something that can lose its power? Why believe in something that isn’t omnipotent?

[@thebeachhouse]

My favorite talk! I listen to it all the time! I'm so glad you made this video! ❤

[@dtmfilms]

"the lord talks to things..." my favorite line from this whole quote. Says so much about his character. Thanks Parker for another great video!

[@Surefoundation504]

Cleon Skousen was a faithful servant of God. He’s changed my perspective on many things!

[@pattyprovost9587]

This is so incredible! We are preparing for the second Christmas, peace on earth with our Savior! Understanding all He has done for us, His great atonement, and all He will do is so important. I love every word of this message and every video clip you add to give it greater meaning so it sinks deep in our hearts is awesome. You are blessing my life with the powerful messages you post! Bless you! Thank you! Keep up the great work! You are making a difference.

[@brendacrump8040]

Amen to the comments above. This video message has touched my heart I a way I can not express. I love knowing I'm not alone in waiting for the second Christmas and understanding the atonement much more deeply after this presentation of Brother Skousen's talk. Bless you for sharing this beautiful gift with all of us! As said above you are making a big difference in our lives❤️ Thank you

[@Aubergine1941]

My honor is my power - it just blew my mind to have that explained to me by this wonderful teacher

[@edinavn]

All your videos are great but this was another level. Thank you for blessing us with your amazing talent.

[@Sablespartan]

Man, what a fantastic talk! Love how you have presented it here.

[@millennialfalkon]

One of my favourite LDS intellects. And one of my favourite human beings of all time. Love him. Great choice on the music selection. Really suits the Spirit of it.

[@MunroMurdock]

Love Uncle Cleon! Thank you for compiling this. It's excellent and respectfully done. His words, teachings and scholarship have truly blessed countless lives and still do to this day. He's my grandma Rita Skousen Miller's brother, on my Mother's side of the fam. ❤

[@lightchild]

My favorite talk of all times!!!!

[@michaelballard7809]

I remember listening to this several years ago. It's great to be reintroduced to such a powerful talk on the need of the atonement.

[@hayleybell_author]

Absolutely stunning. I’ve never heard this talk before. And I sobbed through it. Thank you for creating such a beautiful video.

[@Aubergine1941]

The first time I heard this talk it went WAAAAY over my head. I've listened to it many times since. One of my very favourites. It makes things so understandable. Was so pleased to see that you've got it too. LOVE your channel!!

[@mage7603]

Beautifully done, more understanding received. Thank you for sharing your talents

[@jefferyprickett4443]

WOW! This has left me completely speechless! Everyone on Earth needs to hear this!

[@lisaoswald2467]

I’ve never heard this talk, thank you 😊 I love Jesus 🫶

[@michelleskousen9638]

It has been years since I heard this talk, but with your amazing incredible video and music attached to it it was even more impactful. Thank you so much for bringing this out again and for lending your incredible skills to helping us all draw closer to the savior. So grateful to have learned more about the atonement through this video and Brother Skousen’s great understanding of the atonement.

[@mariadan7]

Excellent message!!!! How much love, how much mercy has the eternal Father and Jesus Christ for all of us!!!!

[@celiamariamartinscardoso2432]

This is the first time i heard about this talking. The atonement always was so hard for me to comprehend and now makes so much sense to me. Thank you for sharing this video

[@friendsinthefold]

Thank you for creating such a beautiful backdrop to this talk. It made his brilliant, tender testimony all the richer and more evocative (if that is ppssible.) I love hearing his voice break when he thinks of Christ's majestic pain. I think that Christ overcame all because he focused on our eventual triumph, which He could see timelessly.

[@dannyrocket77]

What did i just listen to?? This talk was amazing! Thank you.

[@confusedwhynot]

Thank you so much for sharing this. It is so important for all of us to understand the purpose of The Atonement and love God with all our hearts. We have so much to be grateful for. This is such a beautiful message.

[@shawnbrigance3993]

I remember hearing this as a young Catholic convert, thank you for magnifying your gifts of presentation! 👍

[@TheTerrylwg]

OH, WOW!!! WOW, WOW, WOW!!! This is absolutely amazing!!! So incredibly deep, yet so plainly spoken so anyone can easily understand. Thank you for providing the visuals. This is a "keeper" that I will watch many times over.

[@bplionel2]

I listened to this so often on my mission.

[@2u43]

I too like many others here are familiar with this talk by Cleon Skousen but to hear it again after these many years and presented so eloquently was truly uplifting and inspiring. Thank you so very, very much.

[@BrenanKlain]

I’ve now listened to this and the full length talk multiple times. Soul expanding.

[@robynmills5534]

One of the best talks. Speaks to my soul. Thank you for reminding me of this talk and for the video you put together. Really good.

[@jonmcgookin1596]

What a wonderfully, informative, and spiritually insightful presentation! Thank you greatly!

[@JamesJohn-i3n]

It is great to hear something so wonderful about Jesus Christ and to know how important his atonement

[@BrytonLifts]

Thank you Parker for making this content. I showed your entire video to my young men’s class and they are always in awe of how meaningful you make the content with the quotes and footage. Thank you for what you do.

[@DebraBarber-wj2mw]

I have always loved the words of Cleon Skousen! Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful talk.

[@ZakCiotti]

Really love what you’re doing. Don’t stop.

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

I love Cleon Skousen! Thank you for this video. I always learn something new when i listen to this talk.❤

[@makwaphy]

One of my favorites has a new life! So many truths revealed that so many need to hear. Reading the comments is a little sad seeing members missing the gift of discernment or the use thereof. The hour is late. Wake up, my brothers and sisters. The maker of this film had no doubt of the truths contained, nor do I.

[@jodie672]

Yes, sad 😞

[@janal.h.9931]

Hey my fellow brothers and sisters, I guess you refer probably to my comment- so thanks for your care :) To be clear, it is not my intention to content or mock in anyway! I do really feel a concern and would appreciate your thoughts: When you listened to the talk would you say you felt the spirit? Is this talk popular in the church? Has any mission president, or other church leader talked about it before or discussed it in a group? (I am from europe, so I don't know how well this talk is generally known and talked about in the church) Also, this is not meant to be a debate, I am sincerely interested in your experience. Kind regards

[@makwaphy]

@janal.h.9931 It was a talk to missionaries given before they left. Obviously, it wouldn't be a group for just a radom teacher. It reminds me of the King Follett sermon. Some can handle deep doctrine. Some can't taste honey. Ask God for your truth. I can't give it to you.

[@chuckintexas]

@@janal.h.9931 - Such a fair question deserves a fair answer . This will NOT be taught in Sunday School or from the Pulput for a very good reason and CERTAIN Wisdom in God . We are commanded in our Church meetings to discuss and focus on the basic tenets of Christ , his Atonement , the Ressurection and Repentance . We rely on Scripture - the four STANDARD works , and The Teachings of The Prophets . Truths of this sort are for those who *_take_* these basic teachings , develop their testimonies AND THEIR UNDERSTANDINGS of the basic building-block elements of The Restore Gospel of Jesus Christ - The PRINCIPLES of LIFE and LIFE _ETERNAL_ - and as we master them we become more and more prepared to encounter these teachings , know what to DO with them , and through the POWER of The Spirit of God and Gift of Discernment , recognize them for the TRUTHS they contain, and how they come together to ANSWER the crucial and ETERNAL questions that arise . There is a deep and crucial FUNCTION for "questions as they arise" , one that relies on The Gift of Discernement and the POWER of Personal Revelation , and it is THIS : With EVERY Personal Revelation form God , *there was FIRST a QUESTION that arose* . "Ask an ye SHALL RECEIVE ... " _your_ DIRECT REVELATION from God ! The PROCESS for this is clearly laid out here , and is a DEEPLY _PERSONAL_ process and journey , one that does NOT fit into the mission of weekly instruction in groups in Sunday School and Sacrament meetings . In _short_ , then - EACH must _ready_ him or her _SELF_ to ask these questions and EACH must make him or her self READY to receive and DISCERN these TRUTHS OF *GOD* . In THIS way _comes_ personal REVELATION and the unfolding of The Mysteries of GOD !

[@brucebooth4489]

This talk was shared with me when I was 15, 40 plus years ago, it placed me on a path of appreciation for the saviour and the gospel, the first time I had the spirit identified to me as what it was. I was taught I don't have all the answers, but I have trust that they are available to us.

[@millennialfalkon]

Stunning production. The staff of life in content form.

[@teresawoodside4051]

Thank you Parker! I have loved this talk by Cleon Skousen for a long time! Very inspiring!

[@carolswarbrick1722]

This recording is like sitting in an endowment, itsso very powerful..it fills my bosom fir Christ 4:20 . 🇬🇧

[@timwrightfamily740]

My wife is a Skousen. I really appreciate you bringing this old talk to life. It took some real effort and it was beautifully done. I think there’s definitely some truth to what’s being said here about the idea of honor among the intelligences. Interestingly, Joseph Smith use the word intelligence and spirit interchangeably, we very well could’ve always been spirit not just intelligence , but without a chance to have a mortal experience and of course, having a resurrection and eternal life through the atonement of Jesus Christ.

[@lisaw.1601]

Thank you SO much for posting this! I have been asking this question for several years and have been listening and studying. Finally, it makes sense to me. I was previously unaware of this talk. The video scenes add to it beautifully.

[@jenniferwilkinson9340]

I love this talk by Elder Skousen.

[@deemoodz3448]

Love your work so much!!!You help me spread the Gospel! Thank you for all you do!! ❤❤❤

[@PennieGrant]

I have read many books by Cleon Skousen. I have this talk and have read it, but this video is amazing! Thank you so much. We all need this ❤

[@carolswarbrick1722]

I've loved this tape/ cover and over maybe 30_40 times, hey its tremendous. 🇬🇧 2:52

[@Jen_Fab]

Such an inspiring message. I don't think I've heard this talk before.

[@loveslife]

You made this talk come alive! I love Cleon Skousen.

[@ar.blooslie7040]

Absolutely 💯 Amazing!!! Thank you for taking the time of the many hours of putting this video together and sharing it with us. I appreciate you!!! ❤

[@emmagonzalez9815]

Wow, so amazing video ❤️keeping doing this work! Thank you🙏🏼

[@justbob2133]

Wonderful message and beautiful presentation😊 I will watch and listen again. Thank-you for posting it.

[@cherisespencer]

Wow! Another great video! Thank you so much for making it. I have never heard this talk.

[@miracleofamericamuseum4205]

I hadn't heard his voice since he spoke at our museum a couple of years before his passing. What a great friend and brother.

[@annepratt8260]

One of my all time favorite talks...

[@SmokyCharizard]

Dude, I love your work. You are doing a lot for the kingdom!

[@millennialfalkon]

Thank you, Parker. An iron rod through the mists of darkness.

[@maryfletcher9905]

WOW!💥 WHAT A PRESENTATION👍. HOW POWERFUL! 💪THANK YOU FOR THE WAY YOU PUT IT TOGETHER FOR US!! I'T LEFT ME TINGLING✨ SO FULL OF THE SPIRIT!!😂😊

[@audraforbes]

This was amazing. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤

[@patriciaklain8980]

There is a way for us to know the truth of all things… that is to ask, seek , study it out and pray. We can get our own answers . Confirmation on truth. Pray with real intent with humbleness. Search these same scriptures, ask God for understanding… Line upon line, whatever we are prepared to receive….. but prepare.. do the work… study and pray.. Thank you for your work and sharing with us… God loves us. Love is the key to this work. Jesus loves us, and we can become like him if we truly want to. But only because he made it possible through his sacrifice.

[@drewhanna9057]

I think the last part is to be humble and realize that the Holy Ghost will give you positive spiritual feelings even if you are getting closer and not fully to a true understanding. Too many people stop just because they get a confirmation and think they are done. The best part is that we are never done and the understanding always seems to go deeper.

[@establishingzion688]

Very well compiled and presented! Well done, and thank you! The whole talk is worth listening to over and over again.

[@sjstlaurent]

I’ve never heard this but love that from all the pondering and prayer that I’ve done on the topic has led me to some of the same conclusions. It’s nice to feel that same confirming spirit.

[@igoldenknight2169]

I’ve never heard this talk but knew these truths for years… it’s given me a needed spiritual lift and enlightenment. When I explained it to others I always started with “theory”, so to hear be spoken as actual doctrine is amazing to me. Tears flow as I listen to the beauty and power of these truths that have changed my life.

[@alicewongham3541]

Powerful and impactful video message as usual! Thank you so much for all that you do!

[@glennlewman4186]

I was lucky to have Cleo as a professor in 1973 Amazing man

[@CNStanza1]

I have been meditating on this exact topic for almost a year, thank you

[@kathleenwharton2139]

Jesus Loves me 🥰 I am Safe and Free 😇

[@janessahouston9596]

Absolutely incredible. Thank you for what you do and for sharing the truth

[@brendaprice4581]

Thank you for such an amazing video to help me gain deeper understanding of the atonement.❤️❤️

[@beckischreyer]

Loved this video. Thank you ❤

[@chrisgreen3764]

Thank you! Eternally

[@BIGDWH]

Excellent talk. Thank you!

[@Idaho27]

That was moving, thank you.

[@PahoransProtege]

Masterpiece. Thank you. First watch of many for me.

[@CatchTheBuzz1]

Excellent. Thank you

[@imsefa45]

Thanks for your work!

[@vandiwalker299]

Thank you so so much for this 🙏🏻❤️

[@sylviabushman8026]

Thank you! I’m already listening to this over and over. I weep over all that our Savior has done for us! The Mom asking for the life of her son!! I used this principle of asking intelligence of my knee to repair and practiced meditation and communication with the cells, and it healed! I must lack the faith to do it again because I’ve failed since then, but will try again as I believe all things. Why not practice this power? I’m just dumb enough to try.

[@Oknightling0225]

Thank you so much!!! This answered a question I was pondering about 😊

[@breadmasaniai9866]

Thank you for this! Thank you! 🙏🏼

[@danieldunbar2956]

Great video!

[@michaelphelan423]

Fine editing of visuals and a classic talk

[@Kathysfootprints]

Thanks!!! Can’t wait to dive in

[@tammy2844]

Beautiful. Thank you.

[@Whistlinwaves100]

I just want to say something I think this talk is amazing but guys for some weird reason I feel like this is just a little bit of the real action this is like a starter this talk is great and I want to study it but I also want to apply it like the prophet wants use to do is apply words like this to are lives the prophet talks about amazing things happening again well amazing things ain’t going to happen unless we strive to understand this and apply it and become worthy so that we can all be like Moses and the second Nephi and most importantly like Christ guys i ain’t saying you aren’t doing this but if you arnt let’s start now I hope non of y’all get offended by this but let’s get to work bros bringing miracles to past and testifying of Christ love this video think celestial

[@akaNJ814]

Love this 💞🙏

[@reneewalters6617]

Beautiful!