Why Is the Serpent in Genesis Later Called Satan?

[@LakeGitcheGumee]

His teachings lead me to a deeper faith ❤

[@tubermind]

He makes so much sense of certain passages that are mysterious teasers..

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Heiser was great. Now all we have is the likes of Ehrman.

[@nfjbt]

Mic drop! Classic Michael Heiser using his intellect to explain facts! I miss him ❤

[@ianmontez4201]

That last couple of minutes was very impactful. The principalities and powers of the air still working now as their time gets shorter and shorter

[@Daniel-Baazov]

About a year ago I found Mr Heiser and I’m glad I did. What he says towards the end about mandatory religion classes that make the student expect the bible to have contradictions is something I can relate to. My current religion prof seems to talk a lot about questionable things in the bible that make it seem illegitimate but a few helpful videos online helped me stay on track. The education system is wicked and Religion professors really need to study the facts and not base claims on a hunch.

[@savedbygrace6853]

Right! There are no contradictions in the Bible, only a lack of knowledge. But that's not how these self described 'professors' , most of whom could not obtain a regular job and pray for tenure, operate. Students are indentured into their class because no one would sign up to enroll in them otherwise. This was the premise of the movie "God's not Dead."

[@marigh38]

So grateful for Dr. Heiser, his life, and life's work we can chew on as often as we want. Praise God for Dr.Heiser.

[@telleroftheone]

More great commentary from the Heiser. Miss him.

[@winniecash1654]

The Mike. One and only. The genuine article 😂

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

The Heiser is stronger in his absence than the Ehrman in his physical presence.

[@geoffmckenzie2608]

It is so good to hear Heiser again. He was no athlete, and we don't see him as a body-building stud. But, Mike was a man's man who was unafraid to speak truth, no matter the cost. "And Mike walked with God, and God took him." As much time as Mike spent on The Book of Enoch, it seems fitting to see his untimely departure as a reflection of Enoch.

[@CherylCrawford-qi4bw]

He is greatly missed especially in these days

[@ThePlagueGameing]

Agreed 💯!❤️

[@winniecash1654]

I miss Mike. ❤

[@Thoughtflux]

Would you know how he passed away? It was sudden and came as a shock to me.

[@winniecash1654]

@@Thoughtflux he passed from pancreatic cancer.

[@Tywaz.Longshadow]

FACTS...I often wonder and would like to know his thoughts on the events happening of these times.

[@KevinWBrown-cm6fr]

We miss you❤

[@scottonanski4173]

I might not agree with him on some details, but for me he's one of the most respected academics I've come across.

[@alexiswiftrock]

What is one example of a detail you diverge from his argument on ?

[@scottonanski4173]

​@@alexiswiftrockI'm Reformed in my soteriology.

[@Gutslinger]

​@@alexiswiftrock I think one thing that he said that stood out to me personally was him claiming that in the beginning of Genesis when God says "Let Us create man in out image", he claimed that "Us" was referring to God and His heavenly council. If I remember correctly. That's something that I disagree with him on.. I believe that only God creates.

[@sallylabhart2844]

So helpful, explains things so clearly for those of us who don't read Hebrew or Greek. Miss him greatly

[@mrarcade2504]

Thank you Dr Heiser ❤ 🙏🏽

[@ll77rre3]

WOW!!! That was GREAT!!! No one like Dr Heiser!!! He is so missed!!!

[@BaronStVon]

I wish I got to meet him before he passed

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

If you’re faithful you will see him again relatively soon. Memory Eternal!

[@BaronStVon]

@ Amen, brother

[@issacdhan]

Amazing. I just love his way of explaining.

[@johnbrown4568]

Brilliant exposition here by Dr. Heiser.

[@ImageBears]

Is there a full video of this?

[@betrion7]

For whatever reason someone decided to speed this up 🤦‍♂️ To combat this and get Heiser's normal voice back, play this on 0,75 speed (which you can set under settings for this video).

[@patriciajohn8196]

I like that I didn't have to speed it up😄

[@betrion7]

@patriciajohn8196 that's ok if such is your preference but it's quite weird (if not disrespectful) to do it by default - and do it without any notice. It misrepresents Heisers tone. People will sometimes do this when reacting to the video as to avoid copyright and also move along faster. This is however on Heiser's official channel, so hopefully whomever manages it just made a weird mistake.

[@CynthiaFlowers-tb6rq]

Ty, I like .75. 😊

[@rep3e4]

Can’t get enough of this!😊

[@davidjanbaz7728]

This totally puts Dan McClellan in his place.

[@torreyintahoe]

No it doesn't. Dan is right.

[@lW9497]

Years ago I was also tripped up in a religious studies class, but then I became a linguist and saw how languages work. We have many words for various things, each with their own nuance of meaning and usage.

[@rustneversleeps01]

You have to be willing to look at the languages God's Word was handed down to us in. Keep translations honest, so to speak.

[@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb]

Rom 8 : 7 is the serpent of old,the devil ... that than give power to execute things to 2nd Rom 8 : 8 There is no creature called the devil..You just need to gather all names and see what is the thing that connect those names Serpent / mouth / poison Devil / mouth / liar Dragon / mouth / fire Satan / mouth / adversary If you go to the beginning where God create,you see that God create everything by speaking,and it come to existence..So God create by the word..If someone missinterpret,and speak falsely,that one holding things not to be created...And if its a some creature,God would move it out of the way...But its our own mind that play trick with us...Didn't Jesus rebuke Peter by saying : But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” But He turned and said to Peter - not some imaginary creature For you are not MINDFUL of the things of God, but the things of men . You se how this verse demolish religion? Religion claim that satan hate man,but its quite opposite..Satan is mindful of things of man..Because its our own mind that sometimes reject the truth.. For example this about what Jesus say to Peter..I shows to many,but they dont want to receive..They rather believe pope and their pastors..

[@rustneversleeps01]

@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb You are only part right. Genesis 1.1-14 Paraphrased In the beginning, before there was a sun or moon, there was the Spirit of God, the Voice of God, and something Good being the Light of the World the Light of Life for three evenings(erev/night) and three mornings (yom/day) Reference Rev.1.16b, 1Jhn 5.7, Jhn 8.12, Jhn 1.1-5, Mark 10.18, Mat 12.40, Daniel 2.22 The darkness is the enemy. God doesn't decieve. God didnt make the tree of death. The parable of the wheat and tares. Wheat/Tree of life Tares/tree of death. Peace

[@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb]

rustneversleeps IN Beginning (and the End),IN Jesus/God created Heaven and Earth .. Not AT the beginning. Scripture is not time related. Col 1: 17 And He is before all things, and IN Him all things consist. Eph 1:4 just as He chose us IN Him / 1:7 IN Him we have redemption / 1: 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might GATHER together IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-in Him Jesus = God 1Jo 1:5 .......... that God is light and IN HIM is no darkness at all. Darkness = No light = No knowledge Hos 4 : 6 - d´troyed because of lack of knowledge. Pro 4 all about ask wisdom of God and you will live and never perish.. Eve just fell to carnal wisdom,and sell that to Adam who actually heard God . That´s the whole story. You want to be image of God,you need to have divine knowledge. And no man can give you that. I dont even read or study,just asked God to teach me...Quoting just to show people by not speaking in my words.. So Adam took earthly knowledge ,same as IL in Ex 20. In 19 God said if you hear my voice,they in Ex 20 said to Moses you speak to us,dont let God.....Same with sons of God / that fell into trap of daughters of man,same story now where the bride/Church speak while Scripture clearly say to be silent and ask Husband at home / Holy Spirit..Who said 7 times ,``Who have a ear let Him hear what the Bride say?`` I dont think so!

[@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb]

rustneversleeps IN Beginning God created Heaven and Earth. This verse does not point to time as beginning. Its say IN the Beginning,not AT the beginning. And we know who is Beginning and the End. Col 1: 17 And He is before all things, and IN Him all things consist. 1Jo 1: 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and IN Him is no darkness at all. 1Jo 2: 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining. So in Him self God created Heaven and Earth. Gen 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. / darkness = no knowledge And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. / but no one listen what the Spirit say..They rather listen to Eve's,Moses,Daughters of Man,the Brides,even tho its said that the woman is to be silenced in the Church.. Woman represent carnal people - religion Sons of God those that hear what the Spirit- God say.. But as always they get called heretic,false,of the devil..Just look at Jesus..He spoke to them all that He hear from God..They were mad.

[@Funkydood]

YESHUAH HA' MASSHIAH!!!

[@tprestonmarshall4195]

Thanx for the Video. ❤🙏🏻🇺🇸

[@stephentaylor2051]

Hit the Like button

[@solonkazos1379]

good commentary

[@missinglink_eth]

❤

[@j.m.4858]

Awesome 😎

[@panchovilla5186]

Excellent video

[@ElvisPressCompany]

noun: satin a smooth, glossy fabric produced by a weave in which the threads of the warp are caught and looped by the weft only at certain intervals.

[@Thoughtflux]

We miss you.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Those undergrad profs of biblical lit who want to destroy your faith by positing false dilemmas - that’s Bart Ehrman. Is there any recording of Heiser debating him? It would be EPIC.

[@rep3e4]

Awesome

[@rustneversleeps01]

Rev 12.9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. In Genesis the darkness is darkness, but it's also symbolic of life absent of God.

[@suzannedebusschere1607]

That was really good

[@1Chonn3]

FYI, you don’t have to speed the video up. We have speed controls on our end.

[@Gutslinger]

I can't really wrap my head around what he's saying here. I was following for roughly the first ¼ of it, and then got lost.. It doesn't help that whomever uploaded this sped up the playback speed.

[@pragmaticoptimist46]

A well reasoned argument. My only question is if the language became more elastic in the Hellenistic period, why couldn’t that mean that Satan is being described in Job 1-2. Especially in the Septuagint? I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the individual described as being allowed to test Job (and Christ in the wilderness for that matter) is someone other than Satan.

[@holdingpattern245]

Couldn't it be Satan though?

[@pragmaticoptimist46]

@@holdingpattern245 yes and I believe that’s what scripture implies. But in other media and his writings Dr. Heiser proposed that it was not Satan, but a Divine Council member assigned to be a prosecutor of sorts. Someone just doing the job God assigned them. He was a very intelligent guy and certainly knew the context of ancient Hebrew literature and the ancient near east in general. While I respect him, This is one of the toughest of his proposals to accept.

[@truthbebold4009]

​@@pragmaticoptimist46So glad to see when someone gets this. I cannot stand Heiser logic. I wanted to ask him who he thinks "the Messiah" is? His logic suggests that it could be someone other than Jesus 🤦‍♂️

[@RKay-ku1ni]

​@@truthbebold4009 he never claimed that THE Messiah is someone other than Jesus.

[@hannetjiedebeer9480]

​@@truthbebold4009 He never indicated that Jesus isn't the Messiah. Dr Michael Heiser did an in depth study of the Old Testament. His take on his studies of the Old Testament was that one has to know and understand the contents of the Old Testament to understand the New Testament. He also did indepth studies of material outside of the Bible. He had a gift to read between the lines as well. Only listening to videos here and there may cause confusion. He dedicated his life to teach and understand the scriptures. He was fluent in the Hebrew language and had a clear understanding of Greek. He was a humble dedicated man with flaws. We all have flaws. His take on Revelation (a difficult book, wide open for various interpretation) was a bit strange, but not enough to debunk al his material.

[@jeramy9787]

Evil defines themselves. To True Christians Evil is just Evil. No need to define.

[@spitfirered]

👍👍💯💯❤❤👏👏

[@radfordsmith2773]

I know that what I'm about to say has been discussed for centuries. However, The Book Of Genesis never talks about the creations of Hell or Angels. This, to me, needs no postmortem Revelations. God neither created these things or would need them. Ultimately, it is of man's design........(.)

[@alexamg9491]

Well the Celestial Rulers/lights created in Day for when we explore the cultural context can very well be understood as having real heavenly entities that they symbolized, and at the end of the Creation cycle it says in a nutshell and thus was completed the Heaven and the Earth and all their Heavenly hosts, the word host there is later used to talk about the assembly of Hosts which is made of those Angels. And you can't take Genesis in isolation of how the story developed Genesis is only the beginning of the story, it is normal that it is not packed with all the things that will be developed later in the Story, Genesis do not talk about the creation of earthly Kingdoms at least not by God too yet it doesn't mean God will not aim at creating a earthly Kingdom that precludes the merging of his Heavenly Kingdom and the Kingdom of men, finally the three-tier Cosmos basis already has its basis laid in Genesis, God's realm, human's realm and the realm of Chaos the waters even if at that moment the Chaos they represent is restrained and reshaped by God, later that Realm of Chaos develops to be symbolized by hell or sheol. So yea🤷‍♀️

[@radfordsmith2773]

@alexamg9491 Nonsense !!! You add to through men. God is a realization of thought. Prophets needed for nothing other than messengers. The New Testament is a realization of man. Never needed. He'll or Angels just a story made by delusional men of antiquity.........

[@alexamg9491]

@radfordsmith2773 habibi between Words study of the Original language, study of the writing of the speaker of the Original writing, the study of the Prophet's Writing before the New testament was even a project, i do not need a random guy on the internet being needlessly disrecpectful to study the Bible. You don't believe me? Simple go in the biblehub plateform and see for yourself, the host of heaven use the same word as human armies, and human congregation, of course if you want to interprete it as a personification suit you, but angels are also present in the OT, namely those with came with The Lord to Abraham and later went to Sodom and i don't even mention the Sheol which is very present in Hebrew cosmology, where do you think Samuel where before being summoned by spirit ? Sheol the realm of the dead is clearly spoken about in the OT, and strongly linked to the Chaos realm and Hell. Don't just spit out like a fake prophet, reason and give argument, it is useless to make accusations that you can't support, cite people, show the word study methodology you used, what aspect of ancient Hebrew culture are you referencing to. I also can say you just have been confused and misled by the Satan twisting the words to use you as a brainless pupet to cause others to stumble, everyone can do that, the difference is what is the reasoning behind your claim and does that hold to scrutiny, Now would you please not be disrecpectful towards people that have been martyred for the faith and just focus on the argument. By the way you have not refuted anything i said, my argument is not made out of the New testament

[@alexamg9491]

@radfordsmith2773 and i do not know what you mean by realisation of thoughts maybe i am misunderstanding you, if you are here as a skeptic or atheist/ agnostic this is not a video about the existence of God or the reliability of the Bible so it is useless to argue here. But nonetheless use argument, i can also just say space is just a thoughts, science a realisation of man made by anthropocentric silly modern men on a big rock in the middle of nowhere, see i can do like you😊 how much of it is relevant though it can be debated

[@radfordsmith2773]

@alexamg9491 Well , well ,well....As every decade passes man knows more of his world and the cosmos.Soon man will send powerful telescopes in orbit around the moon. Revealing alot. Here's a fact. Genesis 1 : 14 talks about 2 distinct and separate lights. Sun and moon. Interestingly , only one light was present. Which those that authored the Bible didn't know. Reflection was not known.........

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

I like Dr Heiser but here I think he's reaching. Where is the rule you have to use the same word to refer to the same thing? Well, it all depends on whether you want to be understood or not.

[@lanuto]

is this sped up?

[@googolplex1]

Yup. It sounds really weird.

[@betrion7]

Yes, listen to it on 0.75 speed

[@racksityentertainment]

I still learn things from this man… what a legacy ❤

[@BarbaraA.MertzRN-CCRN]

No, that is incorrect. "Eretz" in Hebrew does not typically mean "underworld"; it primarily translates to "land" or "earth," so it refers to the physical world we live on, not the realm of the dead which would be represented by "Sheol" in Jewish tradition.

[@R9500pro1]

You're correct, but keep in mind that Sheol was conceptualized by the ancient Israelites as being inside the "land" or "earth". "Eretz" would get the point across to a person of that time period.

[@BarbaraA.MertzRN-CCRN]

@@R9500pro1 That's why I used the word 'typically' and 'primarily' as opposed to 'never'. Keep in mind that the Jewish belief, unlike Christian interpretations of Hell, Sheol is not considered a place of unending torment. Remember, Judaism has a complex view of the afterlife which does not resemble that of the dualistic belief of Christianity.

[@cat22_a1]

I've never heard him speak so fast. I wonder if the video has been sped up.

[@sethhornaday5943]

Sounds like this whole scenario is complete Ludacris

[@Zazquatch1]

There actually are contradiction because of ttranslation errors (wether they were deliberate or not). If you check all gospels about the time of the Last Supper, the crucifiction and the Feast of Unlesvened Bread, you can se the only John has this correct (because of misstranslations and ignorrance of The Meodim = feasts/appointed times).

[@isahunnybee]

I can't wait to meet Mike in heaven ❤

[@DS-yo8dx]

Jesus is coming back soon guys! Everybody please get right with God now!

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Well this is actually probably the most misunderstood and complicated subjects in the Bible. (Partially because only half of the answers are within the "official" bible) And partially just misinterpretations over time.

[@Katrina.for_art]

I found him yesterday! And does or can anyone point me to more info on the 3 rebellions he mentioned in passing?

[@swiftlytilting5088]

I would recommend finding his Unseen Realm here on KZbin. It likely covers this. But I believe there was a reference in Revelations about defecting angels, might have happened long ago. Rebellion in Genesis 6 with the watchers leaving their domain to mate with humans, then there was a passage in Psalms 82 I believe where God called his host/council and berated them for abusing their power in their oversight of the nations/ human affairs. He says they were Sons of God but would now die like mortal men. Hope that helps give some bread crumbs!

[@Brandon-bm]

Is this sped up? Dr Mike doesn't speak this fast 😅

[@creightoncook5894]

Oh for sure 😂 I put it at 0.75x speed and he sounds normal again

[@FarbotBurunetNia]

TNX. The term S in Satan needs to be replaced by SH. S might also be applicable to different function and evil kind most likely have their members of SH in S rings.

[@PolishBehemoth]

I never heard of the figure on job being referred to as NOT the real devil. So then who was he if the titlae "the satan" is not the real true satan devil that we know??

[@0xGR13F]

He was in the beginning. And hell is is end.

[@FollowerOfChrist307]

amen

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

Yehovah is one God Yehovah has only one testimony

[@vsherrilyn2890]

Also, speech and vocabulary change 😂with generations and culture. The Bible was written over hundreds of years by individuals from various ethnicities and languages. So yes the names/titles can change depending on the region or time but it does not change the truth.

[@lonecar144]

Why didn’t/doesn’t/wouldn’t Satan read scripture the way the world does and NOT do what is prophesied of him and make God and his word unreliable? It is impossible to believe that an angel of high order and his untold number of followers (“1/3rd of the heavenly angels” as taught) are too stupid to realize the simplicity of this ploy that would make God and his word unreliable. It is also impossible to believe that God would risk his sovereignty on the whiles of an emotionally and/or mentally unstable being. It is impossible for Satan to be a fallen heavenly angel, because if he is all this angel must do is absolutely nothing to cause even just one of God’s prophesies to come about, and then the bible (KJV) becomes unreliable and false, do this and many more people would turn their backs on God than ever would because of any evil that satan could do. Also, what prevents another angel from rebelling in the eternal future, and another, and another, etc.? Satan is not a fallen angel; he is not a self-aware being. The bible (KJV) tells us he is a power and a principality. This fact proves that the world is not “rightly dividing the word of truth”. This fabled Satan that has considerable intelligence should know that all he must do is sit back and do nothing to bring about even just one of God’s prophecies, then at best God and his word become unreliable and then God is as fallible as man and no God. Or at worst God becomes the same as your fabled Satan “a liar” and is just a power hungry being. And this would leave 2 billion+ professing Christians without a leg to stand on, not mention those that are asleep in the lord. To “rightly divide (separate) the word of truth” you must separate fact from fable, truth from tale, and principle from parable. When you sincerely study the bible (KJV) the Holy Spirit will show you that Satan is a power and a principality in high places. In more than one instance in the bible (KJV) high places is referred to as governing seats and rulers, it is not some other dimension with literal ghouls and spirits floating around waiting for a vulnerable human to consume. Satan is not the only inanimate personified by the bible(KJV), Solomon personified wisdom and speaks for her, Prov 1:22-33 (KJV), Jesus personified the Word and speaks for it, John 17:1-5 (KJV) As for “prince of the power of the air”, when you enter a house with undisciplined and disobedient children you can feel the contention and strife in the air, when you go to a neighborhood ran by gangs you can feel the tension and fear in the air, and every day more and more you can feel the division and hate in this nation (U.S.A.) the great “liar”, “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”. When someone is tempted to do something that they know is wrong they have a little debate in their head and lie to themselves and make excuses to justify the action they want to take. Just like the story of Eve and the talking serpent. A talking serpent is a parable; 2 Tim 4:4 (KJV). A talking serpent symbolic of the lust of the flesh; is truth. The power of those that give into this serpent is what God calls Satan, or to be more specific, the power of those that use and abuse the laws of God “to steal, and to kill, and to destroy” the poor, fatherless, and widows, is what God calls Satan. A principality (a government). And any who support him, through lies or evil plans (mind), or with works (hands) are his angels. Hence the mark of the beast. All glory to God. Amen

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

The being in the garden was the first angel created, and the left hand of God, samael. And that is who most are referring to when they say "Satan". And the being which tempted jesus was one of the watchers, Azazel. Who is known as "the accuser of the brethren" aka "the devil". And the antichrist is of course the 3rd beast which has yet to be. And unless the antichrist is named Lucifer, then that is just a made up being and combination of the other two satans stories. I suppose we will find out soon enough tho.

[@Sacredwisdomoftorah]

Was not Satan created an angel? Do angels have free will? No there isn't. They are servant souls. Do animals have free will? No, there isn't, just like nature has no free will. So how can the devil, who has no free will right to choose to "rebel"? Of course he can't choose. Free will is only a gift given to mankind. So if God had told Adam and Eve to "choose" without offering any choice in Aden and without a "seductive", how could they be "rebels"? Satan is a spirit commissioned by God to test the free will of people. If there is no test, free will does not work, it will be meaningless. People today claim or say that Satan is at war with God and is even - may God forbid - superior to Him. It is written indisputably that God's glory and oneness is written everywhere in the Bible. You say that when Greek was first spoken in the world, an elasticity developed, but since they could not pronounce the name Joshua, they made up the name Jesus.

[@davidhenry-t8s]

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[@FortuneJessica-n9k]

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[@raphaeljoel-o5d]

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[@MathewLuke-m4y]

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[@FrederickLeon-t3b]

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[@KENCULVER]

A REAL DYPSYDOODLER OF THE SCRIPTURES

[@RichardBlake-n4c]

Dr. Heiser, please slow down your speech. You're talking so fast I can't keep up with what you're trying to say.

[@ShadowBanned-h7k]

He passed away, so... But you can slow the video playback speed, and use subtitles to help you follow along.

[@ringthembells143]

I don’t like the sped up video 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@frederickkneuss3367]

I think, when Peter cut the ear off the arresting officer, Jesus said to Peter, get behind me Satan. Maybe Satan is an action. A verb, and action against God. The spirit entity speaking from the tree acted against God and even called God a liar. Peter was taught, like the others, what was to happen to Jesus. He momentarily acted against that plan.

[@shockthetoast]

That's not when Jesus said that to Peter. When Jesus said that he was going to have to suffer and die and then rise again, Peter rebuked him and said that would never happen. That's when Jesus said "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

[@frederickkneuss3367]

@@shockthetoast Thank you for the correction. So greatly appreciated. Is it not festinating that even if the facts are a little skewed, the idea often remains. This might be wisdom. It is unlikely Peter is a creature called Satan at the story you mention. The stumbling block, beginning in the garden, which sought to interfere with the plan of heaven and human relationship. Humans that walk with God. Thank you again for your assistance.

[@underfire987]

Their is no relation yaweh is not the farther of christ the old Testament comes from the Torah which even several Jewish groups fight each other over it and much of it came from mesopotamia and that region of the world. Focus on Jesus's teachings not on the old Testament.

[@mkm9859]

I find this very weak. He uses the Bible (New Testament) to explain the Bible (Old Testment, or more appropriately, the TANAKH). He gets it right that Satan is not a name but a title, but that title is applied to many people in the TANAKH at various times, even God. But the character - the person - of Satan is only referenced twice in the OT. He's not the Lord of this world or the underworld. He's an agent of God. Sure, you can interpret prophecies and stories however you want to build your doctrine, but it's subjective at best: what does the text actually say is what's important. His point that the writers weren't bound by language is what I find most agregious: if they COULD mean it,then they could also NOT mean it. Again, weak. 'Not trying to be the turd in the punch bowl - I'm genuinely seeking answers on this topic. I don't think you can overlook the synthetic probability of this character in the scripture. It's the best explanation. I recommend KZbin channel ReligionForBreakfast's "Origins of Satan" for a better discussion on this topic

[@intfreemonkey]

Because he is a bad nammer jammer.

[@rustneversleeps01]

1¶And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. 3¶Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Dont you proclaim sunday as the Lords day and have forsaken Gods Ways, to walk in them. You have Grace and Prosperity?

[@lysdexic5205]

I think there are actually Two. The adversary in Revelation and in Job is cast down after Jesus' ascension. The serpent is cast down in Genesis. One seeks worship the other just misleads humans into being their own god. I suspect these are the two guardians that shield this world from God.

[@bohem5568]

Issue is religious people do not acknowledge the bias of their specific beliefs in interpreting the text.

[@Philip__325]

Baal is also Allah.

[@methylmike]

Heiser wouldve voted for trump Awesome

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

But long story short "Satan" is not a name, its a descriptive term. Which means adversary. However it its most original uses it was always used in plural form, satans , and referred to 3 satans(adversaries). And the being in the garden is not the same being which tempted Jesus in the wilderness nor are they the same being as the antichrist. (The beast which has yet to be)

[@Godspeed253actually]

Satan was his name before cast out. Serpent how he appeared to temp Eve and Adam, he had already lost his place because of pride.

[@Andrew-q3v6b]

Reptilians?? Snake couldn't talk he used sign language with his tongue to communicate lol ,, with eve

[@lonecar144]

The falling of a high ranking angel and a third of his angels speaks volumes against the sovereignty of the false God being preached by the world today. Not to mention the hypocrisy of that God creating evil angels in heaven and then telling his beloved creation (Man), 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev 21:27 (KJV). Mans falling was anticipated hence the patterned timeline of the 7 seals. And what does God say to do with incorrigibles? Deut 21:18-21 (KJV) Anyone in heaven that rebels and becomes incorrigible is judged immediately and destroyed, according to law, and the law (word) is eternal and spans the three heavens. If I lie to you or about you, you or another will suffer from misinformation. If I steal from you, you will suffer from lack or have to put out new effort to regain the loss, and all this while my family, friends and neighbors turn a [blind eye] or encourage my behavior. Now multiply that by the world population, then add in pride, greed, sloth, hate, etc, and you have suffering all around. Then stir the pot with the destructive force of three major wars and you have hell on earth (the pit). The evil and suffering in this world is man's doing not some fabled fallen angel. When someone is tempted to do something that they know is wrong they have a little debate in their head and lie to themselves and make excuses to justify the action they want to take. Just like the story of Eve and the talking serpent. A talking serpent is a fable; 2 Tim 4:4 (KJV). A talking serpent symbolic of the lust of the flesh; is truth. The power of those that give into this serpent is what God calls Satan, or to be more specific, the power of those that use and abuse the laws of God “to steal, and to kill, and to destroy” the poor, fatherless, and widows, is what God calls Satan, a principality (a government). And any who support him, through lies or evil plans (mind), or with works (hands) are his angels. Hence the mark of the beast. All glory to God. Amen

[@davidcloyd1296]

Read that story again,, you mixed two different events

[@kc0itf]

Maybe, just maybe, the Serpent in the Garden wasn't Satan at all, just a scapegoat! Don't you just love it when all these denominations "read between the lines"... THEN FORGET TO READ THE LINES! Where's the PROPER ID that the Serpent WAS Satan???

[@shockthetoast]

In Revelation 12:19

[@kc0itf]

@@shockthetoast and what exactly does it say? which translation are you using?

[@shockthetoast]

@@kc0itf You don't even need a translation, just look at the Greek. It says the great and ancient serpent (ὄφις, ophis, also used for the serpent in the garden of Eden in 2 Corinthians 3:11) was called the devil and satan (Σατανᾶς, Satanus) ...ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος, ὁ καλούμενος Διάβολος καὶ Ὁ Σατανᾶς... ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος the old/ancient (ἀρχαῖος) serpent (ὄφις) ὁ καλούμενος Διάβολος καὶ Ὁ Σατανᾶς he who is called (καλούμενος) the devil (Διάβολος) and Satan (Σατανᾶς)

[@kc0itf]

@@shockthetoast again, why is Satan never described as crawling on his belly? Are God's curses meaningless?

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

The Satan is not the Serpent. {:o:O:}

[@RKay-ku1ni]

If Satan is not the serpent the whole gospel does not make sense!

[@ijabbs143]

Greek was not the original new testament