Why Isn't Everyone Painting White Like THIS?

[@trovarion]

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[@joshuabrowncrow]

I learned a lot from that term “pigment pushers” that you often use. I am getting better blends by “pushing” and releasing the brush where I want the color to land. My transition buildups are a lot stronger since I really applied this.

[@matthewlongmuir4537]

I’ve never been so keen to paint a white mini, as right now. Great lesson, mate. Cheers!

[@trovarion]

that is the best compliment anyone can give after watching a video, thanks!

[@namefinder]

When I started painting my White Scars, the realisation that made everything easier was that I'm mostly painting greys and shadows, and only use pure white for surprisingly few parts of the model (and usually on the top of the head, backpack and shouders).

[@robhubbard1]

Perfect timing! I was getting nervous about painting the space bishop from Blackstone Fortress but the second method you show here was like a lightbulb for me, as was the picture of the wolves. Love your work, keep it up

[@clobster9560]

Long time white scar painter here, saying thank you. Helpful as always, great tips for any painters taking on white armor, new or experienced.

[@saltedllama2759]

I watch so many of the newer painters around me struggle with white as well. Sometimes even with good advice, they still do the same thing: keep blobbing white on until they get an uneven and chalky mess, followed by complaining about white. The secret is to not paint white at all, but the illusion of white. Use off-white colors that coat well, alternate warm and cool if you want, and then save the true white for final glazes and edge highlights. It takes very little skill up front - though doing this is practice, and practicing will improve the skill - and yields a very "clean" and bright white (that you can later add damage and chipping to if you want). It is also easier than trying to layer white over and over again, and no chalky finish as you are using very little of the actual white pigment.

[@dungeontales8117]

having an an army of Sisters of Battle in white that I wanna complete, I appreciate this so much.

[@divado]

I hope the full guide makes its way to patreon soon.

[@willjones1696]

Not sure it ever did.

[@RanZZbert]

Dude the White Scar Space Marine looks insane. The perfection, everything is so precise, the non metallic metal. Having these skills is a dream.

[@adiebland9220]

Thank you so much for this video, an outstanding explanation, to de-mystify painting white, the community salutes you…..

[@es7614]

This is great instruction + demonstration, THANK YOU for sharing!

[@harrycaine394]

Wie immer souverän! Diese Kontrolle über die Konsistenz der Farbe sowie die Führung des Werkzeuges schrumpft mal wieder die Pinsel aller Hobbytreibenden. Wahnsinnig guter Content! Ich würde sehr gerne sehen, wie Du die neue kleine Skala der Horus Miniaturen angreifst. Kudos!

[@CaptainWwowW]

The explanation with examples of the wolf, car, etc. were incredible, really put it into perspective. Maybe deciding to paint my Necrons white won't be a disaster after all, now that it all makes do much more sense 👏

[@ovan2190]

This definitely makes painting white more understandable, I won't say easy because it takes practice, but it makes painting white feel less intimidating :)

[@crashingatom6755]

Didn’t think I’d get to see White Lantern Kyle Ratner from Darkest Night on a painting video. If anybody wants a cool and colorful read, Darkest Night by Geoff Johns is a great story and gorgeous art. Also, kind of wanting to paint a white kill team after this. 🤔

[@jamesatkinson702]

So much great info here. Always have to watch these videos several times... I'm still working on the blood angels 9th edition video. This is something I go back to often!

[@TheDevilMethod]

Einfach krank wie gut Du bist. Grüßle aus Thailand.

[@trovarion]

Danke!

[@Jab_wargames]

Excellent video, makes me more confident to paint white! Thankyou

[@TheWanderer_1]

I'd love to see how you'd approach the traitor legions, especially deathguard - thanks for leveling up my painting!

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

My cheat code for white is basecoat Kantor Blue and spray white from above. Easy ice cold white. You might get some speckleing but you can mitigate it by using white ink or a heavily thinned heavy body acrylic.

[@oleww50]

Nice! Great to see so many ways to paint white for all different purposes 🙏❤️

[@natehancock7882]

Nice techniques and instructions, thank you!

[@mattsurrey6138]

You are totally right! Great video. I didn't start enjoying painting white until I started by painting grey and understanding that process better. I could then switch from warm to cold tones using different base coats and shades.

[@trovarion]

It's the way to go!

[@Fateofmoose]

Controlled chaos pattern is the coolest thing I’ve ever heard

[@willjones1696]

2:07 Did it ever get posted to Patreon? I could never find it if it was.

[@haveguitar]

Great lesson with lotsa useful tips, thanks!

[@Felsworn5121]

Another amazing video! Always well edited.

[@carlstanford7607]

The line ‘Snowflakes themselves will be taking notes’ made me spit out my tea laughing. Great video

[@LeopoldZ]

I've been struggling with a warm satin white, this is just in time!

[@MiniDutchman]

Great video like always! Is there any chance you can do one about micro stippling? Been struggling with the whole concept and how to get the tiny dots to actually come together!

[@trovarion]

there already is one on my patreon/in the youtube members section.

[@MiniDutchman]

Ill check it out! Thanks!@@trovarion

[@chroniclesoftinybattles]

It makes me want to paint white now But it's still pretty intimidating The airbrushed version really came out exquisite

[@whitehat8420]

Why Isn't Everyone Painting White Like THIS? example 1: spend 10 hours blending from dark blue to white using 6 different colors with different mixes which will result in inconsistent miniatures and an eternity to paint 1 army. example 2: airbrush the reasons seem quite obvious, but the minis are beautiful

[@vatiti9573]

I got a bit of an artistic background (been having evening weekly drawing courses with an actual drawing teacher for a few years now, I'm still not very good at it for the time spent learning but I know a few things at least), so I already knew for the fact that pure white is never fully white. White has shadows of colors, but this apply to every color in fact: a colored surface will reflect a slightly different color where shadows are cast (like in the recesses) and another one where raised edges catch light. Also, a tip from personal observations: those colors are often slightly next to eachother on the color wheel (like an analogous colors pattern). Let's take for instance a golden armor: the base gold tone is something around a warm yellow. So, it wouldn't be surprising to see an orangey color (more orange than the base tone) in the recesses and a lemon yellow (more yellow than the base tone, opposite to the orange tone in the recesses) on the raised edges.

[@muliensito]

This marine is gorgeous 🤩

[@The_Warsmith]

I still can't decide if I'm going to paint my Leviathan Box as Blood Angels or White Scars. This guide might help me decide...... Thanks Trovarion

[@DaKdawg]

I think it's just a general lack of knowledge. We expect paint to work as we paint it on, but we forget all the various factors, such as pigment quality, thin/thickness, undercoat, etc. It's very easy to over think things and generally when I first started using white I desired a kind of chalkiness as it gave the red top coat colors a muddled disorganized colorization that looked good. At least for my painting skills back when I was a teen. Now having been away from the hobby for 10 years and having been through graphic design school, I have a much more matured approach for applying layers and color schemes that requires a bit of knowledge, a bit of experience, and most importantly patience. Thank you for the lessons.

[@thelonepainter4760]

Hey your back! 😊 Great content as always 👍🏽👍🏽👌

[@TheLongVigil]

This looks gorgeous, but I could not see doing a whole army like this in a timely fashion. x.x It'd kill my back to have that much painting time.

[@niallrichardcurran2466]

Think this would work for a white cloak? like on a stormcast?

[@trovarion]

Yes

[@woshstudios]

These look really good dude.

[@andraslibal]

Do you have a painting school where one gets to print or buy a mini and you teach step by step (in videos) how to paint it? I would be interested. I remember there being such a thing maybe from your previous videos.

[@trovarion]

I have a patreon that is built somewhat basic to advanced, you can find everything that is on there on this page: www.trovarion.com/painting-tutorials but it is not covering things like 3d printing.

[@andraslibal]

@@trovarion this is wonderful, thank you.

[@Chipnuts]

I'd love to know what red you're using on those pauldrons!

[@trovarion]

the basecolor is a mix of gory red and scarlet blood by vallejo game color

[@Chipnuts]

Thank you! I've been using Mephiston Red for years with a rather bright highlight but wanted something a little more bold this time around for my scars :)@@trovarion

[@Wijkert]

Is your favorite white still the Kimera one or have you moved onto something else like the AK 3r gen one you had in your hand at the end of the video?

[@trovarion]

i just use the ak third gen here, since I don't use a lot of white/just for the final highlights.

[@pbkobold]

It's the white _value_ that makes for chalkiness, not white _pigment_? 😅Is this interpretation correct @trovarion? I had always assumed the advice "don't use much white" was about titanium white itself making for chalkiness. I've tried to use non-white pigments for tinting my mini's main colors and avoid premixed colors with a ton of white, but it's always a bit awkward for the highest highlights. Thank you again for your videos, talent, and expertise!

[@trovarion]

not sure i understand your question, sorry. white pigment hast the brightest value. so both?

[@willam-dud]

I tend for my whites to be dirtyier and more grimdark ( i know that sounds like im trying to cope but i find it makes my life easier and makes a better standard across my army)

[@mattwall8830]

Just so happens I'm trying white armour for the first time and this is perfect already looking better got a sub for sure

[@tilo8812]

Could you tell me wich size brush you use for these layers?

[@trovarion]

Raphael 8404, size 2; it's all linked in the description.

[@tilo8812]

@@trovarion thanks 😊🙏 got the size two here, it always looks so big and looks insane to paint these Details with it 😂

[@christophwinkler9133]

Can you share some insights on the gloss varnish and the pin wash with oils? I tried it several times, but the gloss varnish did not work well or the consistency of the oil pinwash is wrong. The result is always a messed up oil pinwashing, where the oil do not only stays in the recesses, but also besides them. It mostly looks messy.

[@trovarion]

Get some of these small make up sponges on a stick and clean them up. That's what i do, when I have a little spill.

[@S.A.S.H.]

Nice job with the simile soup.

[@dimega98]

Hey! Great video but I have a question, on the WS jump pack captain, after you're done with the airbrush, you can see that the airbrushed lighter tones have left a "splatter" of paint over rhe darker parts, specially near the edges. Is there any way to avoid/hide that?

[@trovarion]

yes, get more experience with how much psi you use, how much dillution your psi demands, better trigger discipline, etc. Squidmar just released an awesome video about airbrushing that I can recommend watching.

[@dimega98]

@@trovarion I see, many thanks for the reply!

[@bat33.12]

@@trovarion Have you tried Daler Rowney FW white acrylic ink instead of acrylic paint? Thinned with Vallejo flow improver, as much as 50/50 is fine, it's so much smother than any white acrylic paint as the pigment in inks is far finer than paint

[@squallrulz20]

Do you ever airbrush straight white? I have a lot of trouble doing it so is there any advice because no matter how much I thin it it still wont flow smoothly.... and does the silver grey go through the airbrush more easily easily? My normal painting method is to prime grey, zenithal white, controlled wash over the model and then reapply white with a brush...

[@bat33.12]

pick up some white acrylic ink, Daler Rowney FW is ideal, and because it is so much finer pigment and a higher amount of pigment than any acrylic white paint it airbrushes easily. You can thin it with normal airbrush thinner or better still just thin it with vallejo flow improver. There's a bit of a learning process to using this but you can lay down very thin layers and still have good coverage without risk of pebble dash finish from course pigmented acrylic white paint.

[@magnushaglund5174]

I am now worried about my eyesight (or your camera). The wolf, car and whale looked white but the minis looks blueish. The hand on the commisar looks like a spacewolf and since I know you are much much much much better at painting and colors than I am it makes me worried. Do I need to see an eye doctor or do you need to fix the settings on your camera?

[@magnushaglund5174]

Hey @trovarion, I could use an ansver and also, may I send you a sci-fi hamster to paint?

[@joew8883]

I just do ulthuan grey - easier to work with and comes off as a muted, cold white

[@coldwheelsracing436]

Thank you!

[@Greyfox94]

That space marine, good lord 🤍

[@MrPeterPay]

came for the painting tips, stayed for the puns!

[@porpeangseller]

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[@triisgaard2699]

What are you listening to while paiting? Kingkiller Chronicles for me.

[@Off_White247]

You're telling me that dunking my minis in a vat of Corax white and then slapping it with a wall paintbrush full of super thined grey oil paints, ISN'T what I should have been doing?

[@Max-vp5sn]

I always see people losing it about painting white but I feel like an airbrush makes the argument completely pointless because it makes it trivial and you get amazing results with it.

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

Grimdark white armor when!?

[@Half_of_The_World]

considerring my sister also watched this, I can confirm, a snowflake is indeed taking notes lmfao, great video

[@Assichicken]

your script is hillarious this time, freaking pigment pusher ;D

[@RoboticDragon]

Very nice, but so long to achieve any of these 3 haha

[@Lavendeer201]

That commissar looks like cgi when you show the display shot lol

[@storyofdayz5874]

long time bro

[@Chipnuts]

....did he just call me a pigment pusher?

[@tilo8812]

Do you always Paint with these kind of magnifying glasses on?

[@alexwhitehead3494]

Makes it easier to see your brushstrokes on tiny models and with tiny brushes

[@trovarion]

Yes. Nearsight not that good anymore, but even before that it always was just a lot more convienient.

[@tilo8812]

Thanks a Lot 🙏 i just started painting and i realized its difficult to get to the edges and see all the Details

[@Tabletop_Hobbies]

@@trovarion do you know what brand they are? I’m looking into getting some to try out but looking for advice on what is good. Excellent tutorial, perfect for my Apothecary who is in the queue!

[@trovarion]

@@Tabletop_Hobbies check the video description, there is a link some where it says "magnifying glasses, exactly the ones i have"

[@ghost19knight]

Saw it being painted in the streams 😊

[@thomasbickerdike5753]

How to paint white: Paint it blue instead.

[@zeed54]

so the secret of painting white is not using white

[@themainman2827]

The secret to paint white is not use white.

[@MrSteelface96]

wasd

[@G_Signer]

for me its a mystery why would anyone paint these minis in the first place, they should be painted if you pay for them, painted as they come in the box, so this is a scam basicly, you guys buy unfinished products and pay more to paint them... this is insane lol

[@infctdppt]

It's a hobby with alot of different aspects, some People like making them, painting them, playing with them. But I will not argue the tiny plastic is overpriced lol

[@16011160]

I never understand how people use vallejo silver grey. every bottle has weird white debris in it

[@trovarion]

It's from AK interactive. I need to add the colors to the description.

[@16011160]

yes every video maker DEF needs to do that but even the AK paints have weird debris in the silver grey :( I have that too@@trovarion