Why Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Jews might soon have to serve in the military | DW News

Since Israel’s founding, ultra-Orthodox Jews in the country have been exempt from serving in the military so they can better devote themselves to religious study.
Today they number some 66,000 but last month, Israel's top court effectively lifted that exemption, triggering huge protests from the Orthodox community.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government has until the end of the month to agree on a new conscription plan.
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[@Mouse22Critical]

They are angry not because they have to serve in military but because this will shows that they are not special from the regular Israeli people.

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day. tODa rABa

[@dmblake4]

They are not special at all.

[@giraffeorganic]

Special ed

[@ChronicCraftsman]

They want the benefits of living in a civilised, decent country but don't want to contribute to it like every other citizen has to. Its unfair and disrespectful to the soldiers fighting and the ones that died fighting for Israel.

[@user-ry6uf5dp1l]

Three state legislators 😂😂❤everyone independent 😂

[@HakimOne]

This is hilarious. They are the most extremist group from the Israel side(Palestine side have too). Now that they are required to fight for what they always wanted, they are angy 😂

[@HKim0072]

Was thinking the same thing. This is the hard right group with the hawkish position.

[@magnobraga4619]

80% of their wives work to provide for them no study torah and pray. Why do you think they would like to serve in military?

[@hassanmeraj8037]

They follow the female tactics, get the benefit with no work 🤣😅😂

[@davidbenhaim751]

I can see why someone with a countertop understanding of Israeli society may say that. The reality is that the ultra orthodox are pacifists and the ultra orthodox parties, in the 90s, supported Oslo (two-state solution). You may be confusing the hareidi ultra-orthodox with the nationalist orthodox (some of whom call themselves nationist hareidi orthodox) who genrally take the extreme and hawkish positions you are thinking of.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

Yep, chickenhawks are what those people are called. They talk a BIG war game...as long as someone else is risking their life!

[@gfydrama]

Will not fight; but happily move into "settlements".

[@fritzstammen4535]

Some of the ultra orthodox in the settlements fight, they just don't fight for the IDF, they fight in militias

[@elgainus]

🧐

[@at9086]

Most of them just want to be left alone to study and live their life according to their traditions. Many don’t care what country it is. They don’t want to fight because they don’t care about secular Israel.

[@user-ze1em2ib6z]

Will not fight, but will learn "English" to cry about Sharia law

[@isaacgloc1542]

Exactly

[@Gabriel-dj3kf]

So, they want to live in the country, but don't want to defend it 🤔

[@A-B553]

Can you defend something stolen?

[@mlw_esq]

​@@A-B553You say stolen, but you mean conquered. Also the answer is obviously, yes.

[@tero9323]

They don't want Israel. They want to live in their land like palestinan.

[@kakashisensei9258]

I agree with them. I live in the US and I refuse to join the US military. Forced conscription sounds like fascism to me.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

@kakashisensei9258 ypu mean socialism

[@pevlez]

They don't want to serve but they want to keep goverment subsidies

[@billyponsonby]

These fellas don’t look like the guns and ammo humping type.

[@commandoslayer]

Will they be able to survive without those subsidies?

[@AjithKumar-ih6sz]

Its just like Israelis, they get American money but dont want to be questioned by Americans about the money being used for Genocide.

[@micholli]

Everyone on Israel is living off of American welfare

[@pevlez]

@@billyponsonby that's why there's boot camp...

[@jeremiah939]

ben shapiro can sign up first

[@bjolie78]

He's more of a cheerleader

[@Pou1gie1]

Or Netanyahu's sons, who are perpetually vacationing???

[@quellepls2568]

I love this. ​@@bjolie78

[@billyponsonby]

Speed talking chipmunk.

[@bobbenjy6426]

His intellect is a big problem for folks of your ilk. 😂

[@NestorMakhno1789]

You cannot have such a large chunk of the population sucking up resources from the state while contributing nothing. The selfishness and lack of logic here is confusing.

[@verynice5574]

Your ignorance is stunning.

[@awesomemike996]

@@verynice5574you must be one of them 😂

[@tt-hv8ux]

We have similar issue here in the States 😂 and that keeps growing.

[@artoffderidikulous3009]

Yeah, the billionaires!

[@tt-hv8ux]

@@artoffderidikulous3009 Contributing nothing? sucking up resources from the state? LOL. Obviously, you don't have a paycheck, or that paycheck comes from the state to say that. Only loser is jealous of other's success.

[@casewargaming6432]

So they support the war in Gaza but want others to do the fighting for them

[@Home4Facts]

Where did you get that? That they support it?

[@dneroaddiction]

@@Home4Factsthat hat boi couldn’t even answer the question of the reporter only dodging it

[@UB00F]

Welcome to Israel

[@bellar5390]

Stop giving them money, all they want is to live for free.

[@danpress7745]

Not only $ remove their defense as well. Thus, no soldier or police in their areas, if attackers come, oh well.

[@jmesa951]

Subsidized for reading old books and having kids... of course they don't want a change. Ludicrous

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day.

[@mashkanyc]

They’re really amazing haha what a life 😅

[@mike_d_melb_music_fan5229]

As I understand it, ultra orthodox scholars get a stipend from the government and don't have to work?

[@danielcaldwell1110]

This guy talks about change as if going abroad. It's war, you know what that is? Obviously not. Maybe you should try to be on the frontlines of a conflict. Thinking it's something cool like playing call of duty.

[@saltysocks1074]

​@@danielcaldwell1110 If your country's in existential danger and everybody else is getting drafted, why are you unique?

[@eccentricbeliever7]

Are these the same guys that don't work and depend fully on government support and have like 8 kids per couple

[@mashkanyc]

lol yes

[@susanohnhaus611]

Only 8? Slackers.

[@mattfontana]

at least not between cousins as in gaza , remember these families with around 30 members? wait maybe now they are just 3 left 🤣

[@lansvale28]

And also don’t have education and hate everyone (including other orthodox sects)

[@karlscher5170]

Stone age fanatics are the same, jevvish or musI im

[@angellee7329]

If women can fight, you can fight.

[@user-by3zf4ql4c]

Everyone knows that the chance of death is 99.9% if you go into the front line, they wont go , they will use illegal immigrants to go

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day.

[@rogermas6087]

Can

[@adrirod4603]

Exactly

[@Richard-ug4el]

Good chance a lot of them are cowardly draft dodgers. If you want to support the war, go fight on the front lines for a while. See if you're still in favor afterwards.

[@telanos2492]

These same people are among the most bloodthristy warmongers within Israeli politics. How convenient that they don't have to actually fight in the wars they all but demand. I'm guessing they might be a little less bloodthirsty if they were themselves required to go to the front lines of the same fights they so eagerly advocate for.

[@SinaZarin]

It has always been like that. Look at US politicians.

[@Crustymarine]

And this is not unique to Israel. The few pull the cart, while many ride in the cart.

[@Skakel2012]

Yep and America pays for it all.

[@christianx8494]

@@Skakel2012 And so do we.

[@danielrevach319]

No they are not... you're confusing them with the religious nationalist far right. The Ultra-Orthodox are quite disinterested and peaceful, even if their political representatives are quite corrupt and anti-establishment. Do your homework buddy why spread hate and misinformation.

[@eastern2western]

They should call up bibi's son, who is hiding in miami.

[@kreb7]

Bibi fought in the front lune when Israel was in peril hamas leader with his biliobs is in Oman

[@juancarlosalonso5664]

kreb7 Netanyahu, is that you?

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day.

[@jimwright1148]

I can imagine bibi on the phone to Schults singing,"anything you can do? We can do better!" 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇵🇸

[@solodad7999]

All 18-22 year old must serve. Male & females

[@chrismccartney8668]

Why should they be exempt and Make others die on their behalf !!

[@Randy-MacDonald]

They’ve been doing it for a LONG time. Part of their grift.

[@marcushawkins8490]

Don't be so anti-simetic

[@Randy-MacDonald]

@@marcushawkins8490 first off, it’s spelled Semitic, professor. I’m not anti anything,I’m pro truth.

[@JustAnotherYouTubeCommenter]

nobody should be dying in this war

[@jaybartgis5148]

​@@Randy-MacDonaldhe's obviously being sarcastic.

[@prabhdeepdhahan1147]

So they want free subsidies from the state to study the Torah but not have to serve in the military to defend their country?

[@jassimmudhaf234]

Funny thing is is that in the video they do not approve the legitimacy of the country😂😂

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

If I send Israel enough thoughts and prayers, maybe they'll mail me some of the money my government took from my paycheck to help fund their defenses.

[@amandacollyer645]

If you want a country, be prepared to defend it. If not, no one else needs to.

[@edinhusic8892]

I think they actually do NOT want the country now, but only once Messiah comes

[@user-em5wy8zx7o]

This applies to all religions, or all religious sects that have similar attitudes or their attitudes have the same effect: not wanting to fight in defense of the state on religious grounds (including the grounds that their religious teachings teach the principle of non-violence).

[@jlover2769]

How many countries do you own now...

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

exactly

[@RonaldRubinronaldrubinvs]

Let them believe in what they believe don’t oppress the minority its a not democratic

[@billyponsonby]

Astonishing what an extreme dogmatic view can get some people into.

[@teamTERF]

They've been in their extreme dogmatic views for thousands of years!😁😁😁

[@sampicano]

Trump 2024

[@juancarlosalonso5664]

sampicano Speaking of dogmatic views…

[@sampicano]

@@juancarlosalonso5664 "Astonishing what an extreme dogmatic view can get some people into." Me: Trump 2024 You: [joke goes over your head]

[@OrphicPolytheist]

Not wanting to kill people is "extremist" now? 🙄

[@otufemiotuyemi5877]

A good example of eating your cake and having it.

[@Clydeb_9994]

It should'nt be controversial at all. They should'nt be given any special treatment!

[@jasonbeatty831]

“That’s not the issue here”. Heh. Means he does support the war against Gaza

[@Christopher0632]

Of course he does.

[@alexbries3018]

It means the government is cracking down on anyone who speaks out

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

thats BS, what they said are they don't want to lose the privilege they had for so long.

[@gabedaxe477]

He wants a country but he can’t defend it?

[@HKim0072]

They are the hard right. And, the ones always causing trouble in the illegal settlements.

[@valendrawijaya7302]

Absolute coward

[@akoidau1836]

So is Israel fighting against arabs/Islam and now their own people

[@wrektlevel1491]

Lmao absolutely. He wouldn't say if he supports the war in Gaza. I'm assuming he does but is too much of a coward to serve. So he's hiding behind religion.

[@washuneluvhada7616]

You'll never see Russians forcing people to be conscripted like this of Ukraine and Israel, democracy my foot😂😂😂

[@gavinlenobel174]

Russia has conscription wth are you talking about. They had conscription before 2022

[@giod6266]

@@washuneluvhada7616 Oh, oh, oh, you are so funny.. This is heppaning bc of nessesety!!! Both Ukraine and Israel are MUCH smaller countries with smal populations, they need military, they need numbers! That is why!

[@chaosXP3RT]

Personally, I believe the most hawkish, Pro-War should have to join the military

[@Willowflat16]

If the children of every pro-war politician had to join the front lines, things would be very different, wouldn't they?

[@revolutionarydefeatism]

The most democratic and secular country in the Middle East (my finger!) is ruled by the most fundamentalist religious group!

[@colin8696908]

there's actually a really good quote in "legends of the galactic hero's" about this.

[@chengchiu957]

Its a democracy with apartheid state system that has settler violence, do you know anything about that barbaric country bro?

[@jackduane5555]

If this group 'ruled' Israel, and didn't want to be drafted, why are they being drafted? Clearly critical thinking is not your strong suit

[@vitorlopes2064]

Exactly

[@user-ct7mw9yu6n]

​@@chengchiu957wwo is the occupier the Ottoman or British empire

[@Christopher0632]

If they say they are the people of the Bible (which is highly questionable), the original Children of Israel in the scripture fought in battle. King David was a soldier.

[@MrJdsenior]

Boy, they aren't going to like your comment, not at all. WAYYY to much facts and logic sorts of things going on there,

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day.

[@abdurahmonyunusov7422]

They are indeed following the bible unlike you guys, i,e don't steal , don't kill etc

[@Christopher0632]

@@abdurahmonyunusov7422 They're living on stolen land and are some of the most shrewd politicians in Israel. They aren't against what's happening to the Palestinians at all, they just don't want to serve but keep receiving government welfare. GTFOH, lol.

[@Christopher0632]

@@abdurahmonyunusov7422 Yeah, Ok. You've obviously never checked the rate of child sexual abuse within this group. They're heavily involved in politics in Israel as well so the notion that they have no connection to society is patently false.

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

These clowns shouldn't get protection from IDF and other Israel security forces. If anything happen to them, IDF shouldn't even react.

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day.

[@tero9323]

IDF only brings war and terror.

[@TheAlbinoskunk]

Ironically, because the Ultra-Orthodox neighbourhoods of Jerusalem are close to the Green Line, the Haredim are disproportionately impacted by stabbings and shootings from Palestinians who come from the West Bank.

[@aravel5249]

"We want the protection of the IDF, we want the subsidies from the government to study and we want the right to vote and choose the government BUT we dont want to fight for these rights."

[@victorc4474]

no subsidies if refuse

[@brekerr]

Be interesting to see if this effects the orthodox attitude to military action and occupation.

[@VodkaPandas]

Ultra Orthodox always oppose Israel occupations, the one that wrong ist the settler comes from Europe, they want the country but doesn't wan to fight for it.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

it doesn't

[@AWriterWandering]

@@VodkaPandas they don’t necessarily want the country either. Many orthodox believe that Israel should not exist until after the Messiah actually comes.

[@VodkaPandas]

@@AWriterWandering That is what I was talking about, the Orthodox are read the torah, while the settler dosen't.

[@supernova7848]

@@VodkaPandas the Neturei Karta are the ones who oppose the occupation, these aren’t necessarily opposed to the occupation or the wa r, they just believe they have a g od given right not to take part in it .

[@Lifeisfakedreamsarereal-wb3lm]

Life isn’t free , nobody gets a free ride.

[@ChrisantusMachuka]

Yep,freedom ain't either!!

[@pisces89]

Why do they expect to be protected by everyone else?

[@Kay-ph1kb]

I suppose they were granted that privilege for such a long time that it is difficult to give it up. But give it up they must. I did read that some of the younger generation are voluntarily joining the IDF but a small minority.

[@GregBirkin]

Good, have Ben Shapiro serve next.

[@thesilverystars8888]

Ben Shapiro is American citizen

[@sulaimation6253]

@@thesilverystars8888 he is also Isreali citizen

[@suntzu94]

@@thesilverystars8888he’s Israeli first then American, but he’s a tough guy behind a camera. We all know Ben beta Shapiro would be the first to run away

[@007kingifrit]

@@suntzu94 he is morally correct in what he says he doesn't need to fight to prove it. we don't all need to fight if we think fighting is right. some fight so others don't have to

[@user-is9dg1iv3o]

​@@sulaimation6253 ben is not haredi if he needed to fight he would have already done it years ago

[@faridy92]

No worries, there will always be an American, British, and European soldiers to defend them 😅

[@marymay3343]

So far, there's no much use of UN forces which are meant to keep peace at Israeli-Lebanon border. They even can't make Hezbollah move back the Litani river according, which Hezbollah must do according to international agreements

[@cathyb46]

Check out videos at Horseguards in London they are very disrespectful to the guards (actual serving soldiers when not in ceremonial uniform to be found in tanks etc) Would like to know why they stand and stare at them for a very long time.

[@geeksworkshop]

Because it's a complete scapegoat out of the military.

[@MrTsiolkovsky]

thats...not what that word means...

[@geeksworkshop]

@@MrTsiolkovsky Yeah, thought that. but it seemed to work. What word would you use?

[@nicoresnik2943]

Notice how they too say they don’t care about the suffering in Gaza. They just want their special perks for reading

[@jonnyrondo507]

How did they ever get away with this? 'You go and fight and die, I don't have to because I'm reading a book' If I had to serve, I'd be beyond pissed!

[@patrick-po2lx]

Since they appear to be driving the political process in their country, the absolute least they can do is serve like the rest.

[@kevink3688]

You don’t want to serve in the military? Fine. No Iron Dome for you.

[@lintran3211]

they need to be sent OUTSIDE of the Iron Dome coverage, preferably cohabitate with the other Arabs......LOL

[@watercutterlan1401]

@@lintran3211 pls learn more

[@Super-og1ph]

No one should be enslaved by the military. Slavery should be abolished worldwide. People should have a right of self-determination. After all, they pay taxes for a reason.

[@okman9684]

​@@Super-og1phyou can't pay your way out of war. Money becomes useless during the time of anarchy

[@laithmughrabi8990]

​@@Super-og1ph then they should start getting a job instead of smashing their heads in the Torah.

[@elrondes1]

"They don't see themselves as Israeli" - So that means they would have no issue leaving the country of Israel then? They want to live there, enjoy Israeli protection and benefits, but are exempt because they're "Torah Scholars" lmao

[@azaharis]

They are leeches of the system but won’t serve the system. It’s about time that law was changed. For those who don’t know, they can live tax free in Israel as long as they study Orthodox Judaism and have children. Those children also live tax free. Over time this puts heavy stress on the system.

[@user-vi2dk1qz5f]

All should serve or move out of there.

[@watercutterlan1401]

learn more

[@dave84111]

yes all serve, but when attacked all claim to be innocent civilians.

[@gaborrajnai6213]

Why should they move out of their lands? Its their land not government property.

[@CowboyConan]

@@gaborrajnai6213 It’s not their land, they stole it. They are thieves.

[@genevieve4418]

And go where exactly? We don't want them!!!

[@takkie2089]

So those who pushed for this war the hardes refused to fight it themselfs... How nice

[@MrJdsenior]

Can I introduce you to some Congressmen I have known of, down through the years?

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

It's been like that for centuries. Of course, the wars they pushed for always cost European lives.

[@lemontek6897]

1:03 "Many of the men brought their holy books with them to the protest" ...reminds me of when I brought my collection of Harry Potter books to the Job Centre to show how busy I was that I simply couldn't work

[@JP-oe4ry]

66,000 people who offer nothing to their society. Studying the Bible full time has to be the most pointless endeavour in the universe.

[@theblackmindset2154]

Is her relatives and love one's in the army ? why netanyahu son is not part of the army yet ??😢😢

[@thorgodofhammers1556]

Why are you not part of the army ?! 😢

[@theblackmindset2154]

@@thorgodofhammers1556 I'm not israeli 😢 are they looking for foreigners to fight for them ?

[@hanilov]

Exactly, they are all safe and mother's have to loose their son's.

[@MakIyen]

​@@thorgodofhammers1556 r u 😂😂😂

[@user-bs9hm6gg9i]

he served in the army. not everyone in the idf or american army are on combatant service. not every single israeli who served in the idf was called on reserve. his younger son was field intelligence. cabinet member and former chief general of the idf gadi eizenkot lost a son fighting in gaza. its sure more than most of the islamists in the west who chant for gaza but find it sufficient to intimidate people critical of islam or "apostates" or hindus instead...

[@sundip8849]

They're forcing Wizards to equip swords and heavy armours ?

[@laithmughrabi8990]

No.. just give them magical wands and "AvraKadavra Khamas", those people contribute negative income to the economy.

[@Observerd.s]

The funniest comment I have ever seen 😂

[@AdamBechtol]

Lol

[@AdamBechtol]

@@Observerd.s It's SOOO FUNNNY lol. Just hidden out in the corner of the internet. Seemingly by a bot, but too clever to be.

[@datt5698]

That's messed up! They already put all their attribute points towards mana and life instead of strength and dexterity!!!

[@chiriematthieu]

If you don t want to serve and protect, to do your duty as a citizen, then you shouldn t have the same right. They shouldn t vote.

[@jessicayoung9670]

You expect others to fight and die to protect you, but you won't fight for them or yourselves?

[@LokiTheGodofMischief]

So they can't live off the meager earnings of their wives and the state?

[@MarcusLangbart]

I was schocked when my israeli friend told me that orthodox women have to work while males pray the entire day.

[@audreyberdugo4327]

I’m one of those people and am an attorney. Wouldn’t say it’s meager 😊

[@StevenKeery]

​@@audreyberdugo4327: So what do the women work at? Does that community receive a lot of social security subsidies? What about roles in the army such as medics, logistics?

[@MelonEsuk]

@@MarcusLangbart Why shocked Is that what feminist want right ?

[@Grimmes12]

@@MelonEsuk that's exactly what Im saying, if women can stay home why cant men?

[@smokeystover70]

They need to man up and serve their country that provides them with their security and freedom!

[@yvonnefurniss138]

Not their country they took it from the Palestinians.

[@marymay3343]

​@@yvonnefurniss138please, stop it

[@awesomemike996]

@@yvonnefurniss138I’ve found the Palestinian

[@mattsmith8929]

@@yvonnefurniss138pretty sure the brits gave it to the both of them, the brits took it from the ottomans so on and so forth since people lived there, Greeks and Roman’s had it long before Palestine did so does that mean Italy should invade too because it was theirs

[@chuckscott-cy7iq]

Imagine putting gun in the hands of someone who you Forced to be in your army. 😳

[@cesaravegah3787]

If you receive more money from the government than you pay on taxes you shouldnt vote, if you are not willing to fight on defense of your nation you shouldnt live there.

[@Wizard080]

Desmond Doss was a pacifist and he still served along side everyone as a unarmed field medic in WW2. In times of war, everyone has a duty to their home, if you don’t wanna kill people become a medic, engineer, mechanic, technician or some other non-combatant role.

[@Kay-ph1kb]

point well made.

[@gagamba9198]

And the Hutterites were so pacifistic that they saw all support roles as forbidden. They, like the Amish and Mennonites, don't even allow themselves self defence. Just about the only people who take the command to 'turn the other cheek' literally. They refused any role including home front ones such as forestry, refused to wear the uniform and drill, were sent to prison, and two were killed by their jailers.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@gagamba9198 why don't they refuse government money too?

[@gagamba9198]

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr Don't recall much 'government money', which I understand you to mean benefits, in the 1910s. Social security didn't exist. Nor did welfare, unemployment, etc. That said, are they required to pay tax? If so, then they are allowed to access the entitlements they paid for when they meet the requirements. Now, those who refuse to serve in the military exclude themselves to legs up given veterans, such as education (GI bill), small-business loans, and gov't employment.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

These aren't pacifists, though.

[@stevenm732]

They could serve in logistics or other non front line roles. Fact of the matter is those people get a lot of special treatment in Israel, not just not being required to serve but also financially and taxes status. At least that is my understanding and I could be wrong in that.

[@Ignazio_Avulso]

As far as I know, they constitute the poorest group in Israeli society. Their salaries are sometimes even lower than those of Palestinian workers who work in Israel.

[@billyponsonby]

@@Ignazio_Avulsounderstandable because they do no work.

[@ycplum7062]

@@Ignazio_Avulso Those are not "salaries". Salaries are payment for work. They are subsidies, hand-outs. Money given to them so they don't starve while they "study", although that one guy being interviewed looks like he isn't starving.

[@mashkanyc]

Yes, most of them don’t work. Often their wives do. Usually much better education for the women in those sects too.

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

Don’t even do that

[@dianemay7816]

I am Israeli women I served in the idf, I served during the Lebanon war with hezbulh it was mandatory it still is. This is so unfair for us secular Israelis we have to give years of ur lives, we start to work and study on university much years later. We get paid a ridiculous a mount of money...the orthodox Israelis don't go the army, start their lives sooner and get so much discounts in everything, they have no duties but have so much rights.

[@laithmughrabi8990]

Don't mention how fast they multiply.

[@CowboyConan]

Think about how unfair it is for Palestinians. Are you still complaining??? 🤦‍♀️

[@albertorg4085]

Well, you know what to do: keep protesting and complaining to end that unfair situation.

[@dianemay7816]

@cjones4891 did you watched this video? It's about how the orthodox are not drafting while secular Israelis do draft.....

[@dianemay7816]

@cjones4891 they actually started this war and still support hamas....did you saw the videos of them enjoying on the beach or beating Yarden Bibas? They have more food than before october 7th. You know that the beaches near otef aza are still close and people displaced from south and north...

[@chillymonkeys7772]

Bullies often don't like getting picked on

[@czahc0s176]

ALL OF ISRAEL XD

[@erickkisreal9398]

lol they want the land but they don't want to fight for it. Hypocrisy at its finest

[@philippemarcil2004]

The military exemptions are for orthodox who study at a yeshiva (a religious school). So the orthodox community leadership really liked the exemption as a way to help increase enrollment in religious study over any other field of learning or economic activities. Their fear with the military draft is not the violence or loosing their children, is that without that exemption, their youth may decide to pursue a laic education because religious study won't shield you from serving in the military anymore.

[@Kay-ph1kb]

well that makes sense from the leadership point of view - sounds like the leadership mindset will have to be worked on - perhaps as younger leadership comes through it might change - but not fast enough, the need is now.

[@lansvale28]

I’d disagree. I think two reasons. Firstly, a large percentage of them fundamentally don’t believe in the current Israeli state being legitimate, and secondly they are entitled and have been isolated and pampered their whole lives so they feel they are better than everyone else. Why should they fight? They are better than the secular fighters.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

the reason was because they had lost many rabis to the camps, but now their numbers are in the tens of thousands, this ins't about anti war, its because they don't want to be called to serve in the army, simple as that.

[@fnbuy]

In the 40s?

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@fnbuy yes

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day. tODa rABa

[@mashkanyc]

Good point

[@Kay-ph1kb]

well if they did not have other people fighting for them they would be losing rabbis again, and all their families. Don't they want to protect their families from the type of massacre seen 7/10. They must understand that you have to stick up for yourself and fight if you want Never Again.

[@Angry20Something]

No one should have an ounce of respect for this. They want to live there qnd collect subsidies but dont agree with it being a state. The want the wars but dont want to fight in them. And none of them have any inkling of how hypocritical they are. Stunning cognitive dissonance. Also, Israel seems quite desperate for soldiers. Maybe they should knock it off.

[@user-jc7jb3bu5s]

This is what cowards do.

[@harry-vt7ep]

Oh wait they don't have to fight no wonder they love war soo much

[@pandoraalberts5267]

Clearly a draft-dodger ruse, it should have been obvious what the outcome of this law would have been.

[@Kay-ph1kb]

yes, very hard to take it away now they are used to it for many years.

[@devapala879]

They don't want to be part of the country or participate in secular life....then why do they have two political parties that are helping to keep Netanyahu in power?

[@user-nz2oz3wb7z]

Because lapids party wants to secularize them not Netanyahu so all their doing is saving their own skin

[@Littlefool326]

If they aren’t pacifists and sent little kids to clash with the IDF. Then why can’t they enlist? Seems very cowardly. That one guy couldn’t even answer the interviewers question about being pro or against the war. Lock em up like he said if he’s really about it.

[@caty863]

I am usually not pro-army but I feel differently about this one.

[@dipanshuroy2011]

All citizens are the same.

[@enaslavnic7982]

If all residents are the same in Israel, I wonder what status the Palestinians living in Israel have? Are they IDF soldiers killing Palestinians in Gaza?

[@ThatJew]

Noooo they are special

[@LESTIFISA]

Im special

[@BenRamaMusic]

'The Ultra Orthodox are not pacifists' Yet they don't want to fight. Hmmmm

[@1988vikable]

They think they are too special to be in war.

[@ORO323]

Do you want to be conscripted or serve in the military? *_No._* Do you support the war in Gaza? *_"tHaT's NoT tHe IsSuE!"_*

[@conorredmond6217]

a lifetime to study one book.. they must be bright

[@MrJdsenior]

As he pointed out, at least one of them remembered to bring it with him, too!

[@growupjohnny9374]

Want to enjoy freedom without having to work for it.

[@josephhoward3558]

I think the army is exactly what they need.

[@user-fl3sr2kh5c]

IDF said they didn’t lose many soldiers but they need all able bodied men? 🤔

[@doujinflip]

Those on duty (especially reservists with civilian jobs) need to rotate out for recuperation.

[@MrJdsenior]

Seriously, have you LOOKED at what is going on in that area? You don't think that maybe they think they need to enlarge their military a bit, I guess? Nothing like an "if not A, then why B' sort of argument where A and B can very much have literally nothing to do with one another. That was a strange statement.

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

Seen how many countries are against them

[@007kingifrit]

it isn't about replacing soldiers, they have lost only a few dozen....but it is about optics and fairness

[@gargarmikejaphett.3840]

Probably because a certain terrorist group in their northern border is an Iranian proxy that's ready to escalate things.

[@DKLaw49]

So their entire existence is about getting paid to read a book? They're not men, sounds like your average 5 year old

[@ianmcmillan5887]

"THEYD RATHER DIE THEN SPARE THEIR TRADITION" immediately tries to defend not fighting lmao

[@FlexibleFlyer50]

They want the freedom to practice their religion, then they need to defend that freedom. Freedom always comes with some aspect of personal sacrifice. My dad and four of his brothers were in WW2. They were Catholics, and they prayed and attended Mass. They prayed in the trenches, in foxholes, in hospitals, on ships, in bombers, and in submarines. God hears prayers no matter where you are. You don't need a big hat and special subsidies to have God hear your prayers.

[@wilsonryan100]

Not the issue so what he’s trying to say is I want other people to die for me, but I’m not gonna do that for them.

[@johndoe-zf8kg]

imagine fighting your own country instead of fighting FOR your country

[@spiralflame88]

1:37 Guy supports the war and has no issues sending others to fight.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

The religious always the first to demand "righteous bloodshed" and the last to say "take me" They want all the benefits of living in a society while never having to risk anything to do it and happy to send others in their stead

[@mazibondahamika5857]

Ben Shapiro should be the general

[@cameo777]

These guys are funny. They say the state was not meant to be created until the messiah comes but they migrated to the state after creation 😂.

[@Alastair_Adana]

Their book of fairy tales calls for no violence. But look at what they’re doing

[@verynice5574]

The state was formed around them. They were already there.

[@mikicerise6250]

You're as smart as a pile of bricks.

[@cameo777]

@verynice5574 what's ur prove they were already. Can you stake ur reputation to state their was no migration at all?.

[@cameo777]

@@mikicerise6250 how smart are you?.

[@markmarkster]

Would the draft also apply to the daughters of the Haredi or are they currently compelled to serve (specifically in combat roles)?

[@mashkanyc]

That’s a good question now I’m also curious

[@l_kFF]

Most of them do not draft because they can say that this is against their religious views (legal reason to not be drafted) or have got married already, army do not draft married women.

[@4rch91]

Huh? What about the politicians & their sons, why are they not recruited to serve in the military?

[@abuanwp]

Do they even know that the other half of men are keeping them alive? lol!

[@mashkanyc]

Most of them don’t work either but their wives do! Haha very comfortable position they got themselves

[@l_kFF]

They believe that their prayers protects better. In general they say that if everyone had been prayed and obeyed religious rules, there would have been no need for the army because god will protect them

[@abuanwp]

@@l_kFF hahaha!

[@NuYoRican718]

They have 3 strongholds in Brooklyn. Williamsburg,Crown Heights & Borough Park. Whenever family or friends visit Brooklyn they always confuse them with Amish. But real New Yorkers know what’s up.

[@Kay-ph1kb]

Do they have to work in NY or do they get special exemption and government benefits to study?

[@gagamba9198]

There are more than 22,000 Amish living in New York, just not NYC.

[@user-ru3ql6ji4p]

You give Them a finger and soon They want a hand. You give Them a hand and soon They want an arm. You give Them an arm, and soon there's nothing left to give.

[@bavery6957]

I certainly wouldn't trust one to have my back - no way...!

[@selfiekroos1777]

They'd be better off drafting parrots 😅

[@1995beny]

Just look at them imagine giving them weapons 😂😂😂

[@Kay-ph1kb]

But they are very sprightly - I seen them dancing on KZbin - they would be very nifty in the field I reckon. Surely they can do something.

[@sygboe1]

How long does it take to read one book a few times?

[@mashkanyc]

What’s next?? Getting a job like their wives?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣

[@rzlnie]

I don't get it. Why need more soldiers instead of more talks?

[@Josh55907]

the religious ones are the ones starting the issues with the settlements. the secular israelis have to fight the problems they started so they want them to have to serve too and I bet they wouldnt act as crazy

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Book Of Enoch [Noah's Grandfather]: “Happy Is The Person Whom Opens His Lips, Praising The Lord God With His Whole Heart. Cursed Is Every Person Whom Opens His Heart For Insulting, The Poor And Slanders His Neighbour. Happy Is He Who Opens His lips, Both Blessing And Praising God. Cursed Is He Whom Opens His Lips For Cursing And Blasphemy. Happy Whom Blesses All The Works Of The LORD. Cursed Whom Despises Any Of The LORD’s Creatures. Happy Whom Looks Carefully To The Raising Up Of The Works Of His Own Hand. Cursed Whom Looks Sad And Is Jealous To Destroy Another. Happy Whom Preserves The Foundations Of His Most Ancestors, Cursed Whom Breaks Down The Institutions Of His Ancestors. Happy Whom Cultivates The Love Of Peace, Cursed Whom Disturbs Those Whom Are Peaceful, Full Of Love. Happy Is He, Whom Even Though He Does Not Speak Peace With His Tongue, Nevertheless In His Heart There Is Peace Towards All. Cursed whom With His Tongue Speaks Peace, But In His Heart There Is No Peace But A Sword. For All These Things (Will Be Weighed) In The Balances, And Exposed In The Books On The Great Judgment Day. GRACiAS

[@jerkyswiner2158]

Because Palestinians reject it every time, and Hamas are terrorists who break ceasefire every time

[@jerkyswiner2158]

When Hamas are gone, only then will Israelis "talk"

[@retrocat604]

No balls unlike those women who serve in the military for ages.

[@susannemontagnemslmtryt7885]

It seems like this group contributes the least while causing the most problems. Could they create special hasidic/haredi units to serve as reserves? That might be a good compromise.

[@Kay-ph1kb]

Good idea - but would they do it. They might if their leaders told them to.

[@etahhcumosevahi]

I was thinking maybe the unit serving as meat shields.

[@xirtam77]

FEMINIST COME AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS

[@zeken4413]

Man would I love to be an instructor when the yids arrive.

[@jeremytine]

Then move then to the gaza/isralei border and dont defend them 😂

[@mashkanyc]

lol imagine?!? 😅🙈

[@supa_cultured]

No one on the entire planet should be forced to fight for someone else.

[@ernestguzman4962]

I wonder what their mythic, legendary warrior-king, David, would make of this

[@Tom_Quixote]

Why are these called "ultra-orthodox" and not "fundamentalist"?

[@lansvale28]

They are. Just media bias.