How far are Israel's Ultra-Orthodox willing to go to avoid military service? | DW News

In a landmark decision the Supreme Court ruled that Haredim Jews, the ultra-orthodox part of Israeli society, cannot be exempt from military service. They’ve been excused for nearly 80 years. But now the court says laws must be made fairer. The prospect of ultra-orthodox Jews being conscripted into the army is stoking tensions both in society and the government coalition. DW’s senior international correspondent Fanny Facsar reports from within the ultra-orthodox community with a rare access to one of its neighbourhoods in Jerusalem.
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[@joshuas1960]

Their parents want the war but also want someone else's children to fight it.

[@KS-yn5zw]

Like netanyahu, they son stay at miami

[@edgarbarraca2885]

Miami means American and the father fighting in Israel for he was there 😮😮😮 while others were in Israel when this war happens every family of them served the IDF , like the others members of the country s societies 😅😅😅 dont be sitted and enjoy the show 😅😅😅 morally poor 😮😮

[@Imarida2]

They are happy to let women defend them while they sit around reading an old book

[@amitsunoko7270]

Their parents also orthodox? They only want peace.

[@frederikbjerre427]

Exactly, other parent's children. It's like the socialists idea about other people's money.

[@yanks030]

Imagine being the main supporters of a brutal and bloody war but refusing to participate in that exact war

[@riboh3324]

Ultraorthodox are against it

[@GhostOfBuscemi]

​@riboh3324 if you do nothing to oppose something except fail to participate you are complicit in that act. They are the most limp pathetic resistance to something happening around them I have ever seen. Ive watched clips of droves of ultra orthos spitting on Palestinians and basically jumping them. You seem to be too biased to see.

[@shlomkoi]

False​@@riboh3324

[@riboh3324]

@@shlomkoi look up Rabbi Dovid Welss

[@Jahemmorriey]

🧢 ​@@riboh3324

[@supersardonic1179]

If they don't want to fight, then they should oppose the war. It's that simple, but they won't do it.

[@custos3249]

Literally the only intelligent comment I've come across here

[@eldubayew1924]

A lot of the people in mea sheraim call themselves Palestinian, and wave the Palestinian flag, because they're antizionist. Many if their families were there before zionism and some of the people there are still antizionist

[@Starry_i_CPT]

They oppose zionism which is the war 😅

[@EnkiduShamesh]

Most of them do oppose the war, what are you talking about

[@kurolap7882]

most of them are against the state of Israel on religious ground, stating that it should not exist until the second coming of the messiah

[@georgesmith5201]

They're professional freeloaders. They don't accept Israel as a state, but they accept government benefits and protection from the IDF.

[@hsgame4088]

They are literally pro war lol but refuse to go and fight.

[@nickkerr6068]

They do support israel though.

[@views-kb6sv]

And? Do you want them to starve or live out on the street?

[@munchkin8019]

​@@views-kb6svnope but get a real job or smth

[@views-kb6sv]

@@munchkin8019 Job doesn't cover everything anymore

[@George-rw4cd]

Take away their free hand outs and benefits and see how they like it then

[@souljahroch2519]

But they have zero objections to taking a monthly salary from that secular government 😏

[@wearebecomedeathstar2658]

Well yes. That's generally what happens when you promise those conditions to a sect to get them to sign onto your nation building project. Generally people expect you to actually follow the deal and not alter it after the fact in an attempt destroy their culture and religious pacifisim.

[@paul-jr4kc]

Lol they are not pacifist they carry guns and it’s not against their religion to use them. 😂😂 they just don’t want to do their part for the country.

[@inmotionadvertising2276]

​@@paul-jr4kc Their part in a genocide?

[@WaveRider1989]

Pacifist don't go around and take over other people's land and create settlements, expect to be protected by the military, and funded by the people. ​@@wearebecomedeathstar2658

[@naturalbrnchillr]

​@@paul-jr4kc they who? You are just sitting there posting ignorant generalizations.

[@unclesven4515]

Don’t jails them, stop paying them welfare, housing and medical.

[@MrGlenspace]

Deny them voting rights.

[@joshuafeezor1304]

@@MrGlenspaceif a right can be denied, it is not a right

[@michaelblaes9847]

I agree. Take away the free stuff and prohibit them from ever receiving them again. If you want to survive, you have to protect your families and lands.

[@jweezy5490]

​@@joshuafeezor1304that's not true, that's what prison is, a denial of certain rights because of something you've done

[@robertduluth8994]

@@michaelblaes9847peotect from what?

[@AllHopeIsLost1134]

What they'll do to avoid any actual work isn't surprising.

[@prettypuff1]

this part

[@Arcaryon]

They are a cult and not the functional kind. Fanatics who exist in a bubble.

[@mohahaji3534]

Antisemitic

[@teegloo]

@@mohahaji3534boohoo cry about it the world still spins

[@thegrazingapprentice]

@H-jb4tfthis went over a lot of people’s heads lol. Still list

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

"We claim religious exemption from this war that is 100% over religion"

[@resonanttruth1]

It's actually 100% a land grab masquerading as a religious battle.

[@briarpatchson3039]

They CAN'T BE READING THE BIBLE ✡️🤔 IT'S TOO MANY WARRIOR'S FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE HOLY BIBLE 😤🕎😤✡️😤✝️ ✡️Judges 3:31 “And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, which slew of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox goad: and he also delivered Israel.”

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

It's not about religion though. It's about land and natural resources.

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

@@MargaritaMagdalena JFC 🙄

[@Priest_Of_Zebak]

​@briarpatchson3039 😂😂😂

[@alaakela]

When you are privileged equal treatment feels discrimination.

[@nunuabiznus]

Just stop giving the Unlta-Orthodox free money for doing nothing. . . They will volunteer when they get hungry enough.

[@Flickvids100]

I'm asuming this comment won't be flagged as antisemitism...but any critique to israel will...the absurdity.

[@a.maskil9073]

Lol, what on earth is antisemitic about it?

[@moeynola6747]

Are u being anti Semitic?

[@Serge-cm5my]

​@@moeynola6747Be quiet, and stop crying 🐺

[@user-wo8Iw9km4w]

Very democratic 😂

[@MuhamadNasrul-nf3we]

Meanwhile Benjamin Netanyahu son still hiding in Florida😇

[@okolona1]

What? No way

[@LucBylemans]

Hey muhamad, I think he is ultra orthodox but mileikovsky doesn´t know it.

[@IVR68]

​@@okolona1yes! It's true

[@billlynn8256]

@@LucBylemans is there such a thing as "kinda" orthodox..you know, I get the draft exemption but can wear trendier clothes and no mini dread locks??

[@bocagoodtimes1460]

Oh snap

[@geeksworkshop]

Bunch of cowards. Want all the benefits without any of the work.

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

Ghetto Queens

[@amitsunoko7270]

I don't think they signed up for this ethnic cleansing by Israel's government. Thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal rings hollow in Israel.

[@user-ki9iy7vs2q]

lol they don't even like the Government and it laws what do you mean??

[@HagenKocksch]

Work must mean murder, in Israel, right? 😂

[@geeksworkshop]

@@user-ki9iy7vs2q What do you think they do for money.

[@vincentray5226]

There is no worse a coward than someone who won't protect their own family.

[@EvilSmonker]

They are not supporters of the war. Historically they have defended their immediate communities even forming militias of sorts when directly threatened though.

[@MD-ef4ot]

Protect from who exactly ? Maybe if they strop stealing land and acting as a bully on innocent civilian first and they will be no war

[@KingRat71]

Yeah we have a problem in the US too with a draft dodger too. He talks tough but cries like the biggest cry baby and victim anytime he is held accountabel for his words or actions.

[@Ares-hi2hw]

​@@MD-ef4otstealing land? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@iiyyxxnn]

Invading and protecting are two totally different things.

[@shookieckookie]

They thought they'd already have the United States wrapped up in it by this point.

[@jewittm]

So they are pro war but anti serving?

[@johnc3525]

Not all, Mea sharim are against zionism.

[@howlinwulf]

Na they just want free stuff without lifting a finger. Work or labor is a sin. Jesus was a carpenter.

[@wendybird1824]

@@johnc3525 mea shearim are a crazy cult

[@oleggold]

​@johnc3525 Mea Shaarim are radicals who aren't the majority in the orthodox community. And the majority of the orthodox community don't want to serve as it is not in their culture and they got used to not serving. A decade of serving and that norm will change quickly.

[@James_300]

6:33

[@btbingo]

About a decade ago an orthodox man insisted that his sect was protecting the stare by studying holy texts. I said that so long as they studied along the border at their desks I saw nothing wrong with it. He was angry and said I was trying to get the seminary students killed. I asked why others need to be jeopardized and not the students. He said that God would protect everyone so long as the students kept studying. I said OK but let them study on the border. He became angrier.

[@PrometheanRising]

It's almost like he knew that his deity won't lift a finger to protect him.

[@horizonr639]

Then Let whole top israeli goverment official to do there work on border. You may not agree with his religious beliefs but your argument to refute his claim is nonsense.

[@oleeb]

Superstition has no place in the modern world.

[@Mer1912]

There are religious radicals everywhere, of all kinds. Beware and take care.

[@Buzzby4020]

@@horizonr639 All of those old men have done their military service. It has been manditory in Israel since 1948. Rabin didn't wear an eyepatch because he was cosplaying a pirate.

[@lil----lil]

It's amazing how fast people change when THEY HAVE to fight the war themselves instead of others. "Freedom isn't Free." Get that into your head.

[@takunveritas]

Seriously, can you imagine David or Joshua going like 'nah, I dont feel like fighting for the promised land'

[@louisvillaescusa]

They're showing themselves to be total cowards.

[@teresanieto959]

They might be wise, against the unjust and brutal attacks against inocent Palestinians. Their parents and families should be very proud of them.❤

[@chrispeters4042]

Even the women get conscripted.........calling these guys men is a stretch

[@richardmiddleton4634]

I think the ultra orthodox will start having a change of heart and not be so hawkish when their kids can die in combat too.

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@amitsunoko7270]

Hawkish?

[@kathibaba7665]

It isn't their kids so why discuss the hypotheticals.

[@lastsong7159]

​@@amitsunoko7270 war hawk

[@user-lf2jh2ru9f]

Combat? They just don't want their children to be war criminals.

[@ivanalvarado305]

They got too comfortable and they are acting like cowards

[@Mandrew_]

Not wanting to fight for an illegal apartheid states ongoing genocide against the real indigenous people of Syria Palestina.

[@krishurlburt7375]

Faith comes first to many. The bravest thing to do is reject the draft.

[@crazydawgman]

​@@krishurlburt7375 its not bravery to let someone else die to protect you and your family because you refuse to do it

[@krishurlburt7375]

@@crazydawgman it's brave to do what you believe is right.

[@crazydawgman]

@@krishurlburt7375 not in all cases and this is one of the exceptions. Wanting someone else to give up their lives and freedom to protect your people but not be willing to do it yourself is cowardly.

[@semprefidelis76]

I’m tired of these entitled people

[@boossersgarage3239]

they are annoying at best....

[@howlinwulf]

Everyone is

[@AZ-vu3wu]

Tired of this entitled country

[@GaiatheSage]

look in the god-damned mirror. 😂

[@semprefidelis76]

@@GaiatheSage I’m not J, I don’t walk around like I own everything, I am a Human, so I look at mirror just fine 😁

[@JojoJoget]

Meanwhile Netanyahu’s kid is in Miami

[@OathfLouve]

Wow.

[@frey439]

Probably doing drugs at the casino

[@rabbidcrazy787]

Any proof?

[@blakelevi4006]

​@@frey439wouldn't he be a primary target otherwise? Simplistic people shouldn't learn how to write

[@zia8248]

​@@rabbidcrazy787 dude, just google it, it aint a secret 🙄

[@nickjohnson1424]

Yeah let me leech off society and ask for all the benefits and refuse to fight for it

[@RenegadeElite101]

“60.000 students are willing to go to jail” Very bold words from one who is clearly not in the crosshairs of going to jail.

[@amitsunoko7270]

Bad things happen in Israel prisons, just ask innocent Palestinians.

[@paulfletcher3998]

​@@azcalon4690Was that meant to make any sense?

[@joannamariaochoa6830]

They will want to do nothing and be supported even in jail, put in in forced labor.

[@user-ki9iy7vs2q]

@@paulfletcher3998 asking the same question

[@RenegadeElite101]

@@paulfletcher3998 If it was please let me know. I got nothing. Unless the point was all Palestinians are Arabs and European Arabs which is….something. Then a random gun is mentioned (but not the older Al-47’s but the somewhat newer ak-74’s….which were sold by Russian and Chinese wielders?? So many questions.

[@bivvystridents3752]

The average Haredi man is in such poor physical shape. Half won't make it through boot camp Cut their entire family's welfare payments if they won't serve.

[@user-up9wo3nx7z]

If they are strong enough to riot they are strong enough for training.

[@CB-ke7eq]

I'm picturing Kyle's super-jewy cousin from South Park 😂

[@zackaryfrost]

a weak man is equivalent to a typical woman's strength. they are strong enough

[@giljua6191]

If their men are in such physical shape now imagine their women.

[@rosablume4346]

@@giljua6191well, they, the married ones, have to have kids all the time and work to earn their bread, at least to a degree, so I guess they are worn out but of a certain resilience

[@mikeprice5838]

It's an existential hypocrisy

[@iLLSHiNEz]

It's a disgrace that they won't serve their country but want to use all of its resources.

[@sandydog7449]

Yes,they want to live in Israel,but don’t want to fight for it

[@ayoobdulla8173]

Correction...The resources belong to Palestinians .

[@SalfRaettele]

​@@ayoobdulla8173 🤡

[@iLLSHiNEz]

@@ayoobdulla8173 the resources belong to GOD

[@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh]

@ayoobdulla8173 find Palestine on a map

[@monkeytimesmagazine3725]

So they want to start wars but not fight in them?

[@militarymoments]

Freeloaders

[@ostrich67]

"Schnorrers" in Yiddish.

[@CyborgZeta]

I don't understand. They don't accept the state of Israel, but they have politicians representing them in the Knesset, and they are able to live thanks to the security provided by the state of Israel. Can someone explain this to me?

[@Steven_Edwards]

They don't accept an Israel with a Palestinian State. Unless the Greater Israel of the Bible is what exists they consider it sinful idolatry.

[@wendybird1824]

cults be culting

[@annyjones7228]

It's just hypocrisy. They don't want to fight in a region where fighting is necessary to preserve the status quo. Simple as that

[@corriehordyk3342]

And money!!

[@GreenHotDogz]

As long as they can sit comfortably in their throne of sloth, greed, and lust.. then they'll do whatever they can to never get off their high chair.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

Many saw this coming. Not only are the Ultra-Orthodox the biggest supporters of war while being exempt from military service, they are also the fastest growing population group in Israel. This was always going to happen, if not Israel would have a smaller and smaller pool (proportionally) to draw from going into the future.

[@mariacamilaserranomelo6307]

Why do you say they are the biggest supporters of the war?

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

I don't think the ultra-orthodox are the biggest supporters of the war. They are mosty anti-sionistic. You may have mixed up the orthodox and the ultra-orthodox, the name can be similar, but they are very different from the political perspective, including the opinions about the war.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

​@@mariacamilaserranomelo6307 Look up any major Israeli polls on the subject, the results are pretty consistent throughout.

[@user-rawe]

Or...hear me out, maybe they don't support a one sided genocide as revenge for the terrorist attacks that btw, have only happened because Israel has been expanding their territory in a colonial manner for the last 60+ years.

[@yourdadsotherfamily3530]

@@leavesinautumn5959and after Covid and everything recently where governments just stopped caring to do even the most basic political theatre.. they have dropped the act. And you still trust their sociology? That’s crazyyyyyyyyYyyyyy oh well anyway.

[@farmsalot1233]

Hypocrites! They cheer at war and cower when its there turn to fight.

[@teresavarghese1177]

Netanyahu's son?

[@GotaComent]

IMAGINE being such a coward to hide behind faith, INSTEAD, of rallying the courage to defend your family and females ...

[@maryhildreth754]

They seem entitled, from what I can tell.

[@samueladler9752]

I just visited my cousin in May and he's in that community. He and his wife have 7 kids and the oldest is about 13 I think. They somehow pack all those kids into 2 small rooms in a run down apartment and they live on very little. I didn't notice any sense of entitlement. But there's definitely a lot of religious fervor in that house. I am still trying to understand their mindset and why they're so against serving in the military.

[@supporter2023]

@@samueladler9752 They afraid, that his children be less religious.

[@frey439]

The whole state is too just fyi.

[@third-eye2364]

They don't work also.. Govt should cancel their allowance

[@Imissnormal]

The Torah clearly advocates for work too.

[@werner.x]

This society is sick to the bone.

[@CJinMono]

No more sick than any other society that has religion at its core.

[@ErthaRizas]

@@CJinMonoHallelujah!! So true!!

[@amitsunoko7270]

​@@CJinMonoyou mean in the name of religion. Some are just pretend religious, but are killers in sheep clothing. Zionism was also in the name of religion.

[@gheller2261]

Your comment make no sense other than you wanted to say it as a display of your antisemitism.

[@JamesWilliams-gp6ek]

@@gheller2261 Nope stop right there with that meaningless and way overused victim card. You can't be a cult religion and a government and then use cult religion as a get out of jail free card. When a government is committing genocide on another people it is sick to the bone. And one more note Palestinians are sematic peoples too. Try harder than that gheller.

[@AK-wn5ri]

Met an Israeli soldier who was on break from his service and he was from ultra-orthodox community. When he joined Army, his family gave him ultimatum leave Army or the family. His family and friends broke contact with him, but he had support from social groups that helped him at initial stage. After 10years he is a respected member of Army and also civil society. Only family he misses is his younger brother who was very close to him but does not regret his decision.

[@laurarabon1844]

some are choosing to enlist

[@KsksnRaRas]

What about Netanyahu's Son enjoying his vacation in USA😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@richardshaw6819]

a good reason to end the war, when things get real for everyone.

[@NGBigfield]

I don't think so, since there will be other wars in the future, and they are gonna be a big majority in the future.

[@richardshaw6819]

@@gheller2261 why label a distant brother as thy enemy, then we should expect them to view us by the same lens which they do. We are and have been the chosen people, it is up to us to show the grace of the neighborly commandments. To set the example for our distant brother to live up to

[@user-ki9iy7vs2q]

@@gheller2261 come on the guy here is trying to promote peace

[@notme943]

everyone wants it to end. but how so when they hate each other so much, any truce is only temporarily.

[@Yesterdaywas17]

​@@notme943how about If one came to another state And then The one who lived there Gets small part of his country While the settler gets most parts of the country Isn't that at least Bad for you Or else You think God Chose A secular state That was founded by an atheistss who doesn't even believe in the creator But the creator chose them Cause of their ethnicity and their forefathers Who were prophets.

[@Memovox]

Netanyahu & Co. running out pawns.

[@Ptrocles]

They really aren’t they’ve lost less than 200 since the beginning of their elective civilian massacre in Gaza, a quarter of which were lost to friendly fire.

[@Memovox]

@@Ptrocles Less than 200 you claim..? The numbers game is pretty boring but if it brings you comfort, by all means carry on.

[@Ptrocles]

@@Memovox oh you got bored of counting the dead, I take it your family is safe from the IDF

[@Memovox]

@@Ptrocles No, most of us will hold the IDF to account for their crimes. So will history.

[@gunnarrundblad6846]

​@@MemovoxHistory will judge YOU. Severely!

[@JimJones-gd2jy]

Someone else do it ! 😂 “I have lots of reading and meditation to do“

[@jgp7414]

They dont agree with the war or war in general

[@galgrunfeld9954]

They agree with the war, it's just that they think they're helping by praying ​@@jgp7414

[@mikemainer3009]

​@@jgp7414 Oh, bit they damn well believe in violence. Just ask and Palestian

[@JamesJenkins-ce9wv]

You really think there meditating when 1,500 Hamas fighters with gliders invade their country😂 plus 3,000 has to draft….. ain’t no meditation💀

[@HaloWise-hu6rh]

​@@jgp7414 you agree or not. Sometimes war just knocks on your door...

[@ummshaikha1701]

Chaos will prevail because this land was stolen. PERIOD.

[@duncan.o-vic]

There is nothing secular about serving military and participating war. This is a question of ethics.

[@hhh-gtx]

Yeah, it is about ethics. Secular liberalism is the most genocidal ideology that ever existed.

[@warlockpaladin2261]

You hear that sound? That's the world's tiniest violin. 🎻

[@tidusfantasy]

other People fought for their religious belief but they don’t have to fight? Who r they ? They also need to serve!!

[@moali8434]

I know few accept islam to avoid force enlisting

[@Flickvids100]

They don't agree with the existence of israel. that rogue state is antisemitic.

[@karimjr28]

Nobody fought for their religious beliefs.. IOF is fighting to maintain its colonization of the land and ethnically cleanse the nativ population

[@wearebecomedeathstar2658]

Lol. If you make them serve when they're obligate passifists by religion you're not "fighting for their faith" you're destroying it.

[@wearebecomedeathstar2658]

​@@lu544man, it's almost like they wrote that-that sort of thing was allowed into the constitution in order to get orthodox support when founding the nation or something... oh wait. That's exactly what happened.

[@Uncommonsenses]

They have had free money for years, let them enjoy free housing, too.

[@gunnarrundblad6846]

They won't feel the difference.

[@corriehordyk3342]

They want all the benefits but do not want to pay for them.

[@cynymin6420]

Cancel their benefits. Tax payers shouldn’t be insulted like this. In normal times I understand why they were exempt, but these aren’t normal times and they are asking too much if everyone else and not giving enough back.

[@StarLight-sl9ok]

No more handouts until they serve. Once the money is gone, watch how fast they’ll sign up.

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JamesJenkins-ce9wv]

The handouts should’ve been over😂 Israeli defense is so weak and cheap. How do you let Hamas tear down a huge border (which took time) and kidnap 500 people

[@angelasoWA]

No military service then no voting allowed.

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

Service guarantees Citizenship

[@wolfsupernova-fv4jd]

They also get subsidies and stipends, so half of the ultra orthodox don't participate in the workforce, hence they don't pay taxes either.

[@takunveritas]

i wholeheartedly agree, women should be eligible for the draft.

[@annmariedeignan2596]

Wait, I thought that Israel was a "shining bastion of democracy." That doesn't sound very democratic. People's right to vote should not be contingent on the willingness to sacrafice their life for their country.

[@angelasoWA]

@@takunveritas women in Israel have mandatory service too.

[@theshadowofclouds]

so my taxes are being used for them to freeload? let them fight their own war over a lousy plot of land

[@DeepDeepSouthRecords]

You don't pay taxes

[@pakkacae4830]

​@@DeepDeepSouthRecords and you do?

[@TT-bn3db]

Ultra Orrhodox worried they'll also have to get real jobs 😂

[@MarqueMyWords2442]

If they don't want to take any responsibility for the security of Israel, they are welcome to leave. Then they should not receive any social funds whatsoever. This situation is unsustainable as it is with the Haredim not having to serve and contribute to the society while wanting the benefits of living in Israel.

[@nurrohmah2675]

Israel finally show their true colors, they want to live with someone else's expense.

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

And where are they supposed to go? Brooklyn??

[@TheSgtShade]

So they want other people to protect them and go into harms way for them, but they actually have the nerve to not pull their own weight.

[@antonvrb1510]

I am struggling so very, very hard not to judge them. I do know for sure though that I would go fight and die if it comes to it. I've risked my life for much less than than the survival of Israel. I'm 46 and reasonably fit. Hit me up IDF if you can use me.

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

It's not just that they want people to protect them. It's that they demand conflict.

[@elmodelo101]

That's a good question 😎👍. To answer that let me tell you something. They believe that studying (their holy books) and praying they protect their country, just like that 🤷‍♂️. So they believe that they are actually doing something and that's the reason they deserve to don't work and free money.

[@HKim0072]

Wait, so the same people that are aggressively militaristic are...against serving in the military? Hmm...

[@daghul4785]

Fighting against your own countrymen in order to avoid fighting alongside them is wild.

[@see-rious-ley]

Title Revision/Correction: 60,000 Cowards. Other people’s children have served your families for generations upon generations, it’s now YOUR children’s turn. It’s as simple as that.

[@reabetsweimanmoabi7911]

Hahahaha 😂 true!!

[@vanrozay8871]

They disdain the government, but their way of life depends on its protections. How do they claim to be citizens?

[@dizzyishere.]

Oh look a statist

[@ferperez1524]

those who have privilegies will NEVER be willing to lose it

[@Ripharamve]

Never thought about it like this wow

[@cowboybrooklyn]

If your war strategy depends on those guys, you've already lost the war.

[@IVR68]

😂

[@arturogonzalez6232]

My understanding is that up to this point they were very pro war because others were doing the fighting for them. They want to have their cake and eat it too

[@wendybird1824]

its not about depending on them to win. its about them participating in everyday life beyond the bubble of the cult they created.

[@OathfLouve]

Woooow.

[@bman3794]

There are plenty of non combat roles they can fill. It is still serving their country when it calls them to defend their homeland.

[@paxundpeace9970]

Then they should oppose the war and not approve of it blindly.

[@halil2867]

They are opposing the war already they demonstrated too many protest against the government for the war

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

They do. A lot of people in that area hang the PL flag from their windows

[@bluemanno7901]

​@@iwatchwithnoads7480 so they're agaisnt the occupation of land they're currently complicit in occupying? How does that make sense?

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

@@bluemanno7901 1. They have conscience in that particular area. 2. A lot of them have been there since before creation of isrrl so not occupying.

[@leticiaarbore2979]

Let me see if I understand… they can fight on a riot against the government but they won’t fight for their own land and people… 🤔

[@WRForTheLoveOfSalt]

I know, right?

[@elmodelo101]

That's because if they fight the government (peacefully) this time, then they can avoid going to a (deadly) war in the future. Plus, there's also the risk of losing all the free money the government gives them.

[@PD55_]

The majority of Israelis voted against ultra-orthodox dominance, which means a new non-Netanyahu government is necessary.

[@manubande]

What Israelis and Palestinians need is a one state solution with a secular democracy where everybody has the same rights and benefits no matter which religion...

[@jimjames4348]

@@manubande Like in Israel?

[@Styphon]

​@@jimjames4348They don't have that in Israel, other than superficially. Try being Palestinian with a non-citizen Arab spouse.

[@jimjames4348]

@@Styphon Well a non-citizen wouldn't have the same rights as a citizen in any country would they? Especially from hostile nations that are known for terrorist attacks. All citizens regardless of religion have equal rights. Don't play with semantics to make them look bad. Tell the truth.

[@josephhammen]

I would suggest they will not have a religion if they don't fight and preserve the Country!

[@hanilov]

Weren't these the same people who blocked aid?

[@franciscosoares2815]

No those were the people from colonys and not wvery ultra ortodox is pro genocide

[@BG-sj7zh]

If they don’t fight they should leave Israel

[@user-ru3ql6ji4p]

And protesting is not a secular way of life?🤔🤔

[@elishmuel1976]

what's funny is that they are violent protests, like we see in pro-palestinian protests around the world. Religion is a joke.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

No. No it is not.

[@freeheeler09]

Don’t want to serve their country or pay taxes? They should find a new country!

[@genevieve4418]

Home in Germany and Brooklyn.

[@muhammadm4582]

Eastern europe?

[@LunarSkittles]

Their families have been there since before Israel. Their country is Palestine.

[@muhammadm4582]

@@genevieve4418 🤣

[@JohnTan-j5h]

@@muhammadm4582 Palestine.

[@canadian97]

If their faith can stomach war, it can surely digest boot camp.

[@leadinvestor247]

Well said

[@OathfLouve]

Poignant, 💥💥💥

[@dorothymillay631]

Take away all their free benefits.

[@mauricew1769]

There is a lot of work to do where you don't have to carry a weapon. But they are afraid of work.

[@billyponsonby]

Talk about majority Israelis unhappy with ultra orthodox dominance seems odd. If you don’t like extra patriarchal theocracy then the Middle East is not a place for you.

[@frey439]

Lmao yes their society full of contradictions and cognitive dissonance.

[@elishmuel1976]

My friend's cousin came to visit in Canad from Israel. Said he was studying to be a rabbi so that he didn't have to go to the army. He drank, smoked and did drugs while he was here. He also suggested at one point that we jump a drug dealer to steal his drugs. 😆

[@DaveSmith-pm2yq]

I spent time there. There are certainly delinquent youth. But I saw clearly they were a tiny minority.

[@jacqueslee2592]

Are they not from Eastern Europe? Majority of them look Eastern European. They look from a different ethnic background from other Israelis who have darker complexion and look Middle Eastern.

[@coleengoodell7523]

Stealing seems to have become mainstream with them. I guess the Ten Commandments never really sunk in on any real level.

[@Tamarlane389]

Stealing is part of their culture

[@elishmuel1976]

@@Tamarlane389 Your racism is preventing you from seeing my point: Religion is a scam

[@bigd4561]

War is simply despicable. Do not blame them but you cannot benefit from a nation, expect it to protect you, and offer nothing.

[@octosalias5785]

They're okay with a draft until its their kids

[@aeoteng]

How ironic and selfish…appalling.

[@ehw8356]

Of course they want to keep it that way. Men pray and women work. What’s wrong with that lol? If they can violently protest then they are fighting so what’s the difference?

[@Derpherppington]

they're ok for little girls to protect their grown hairy men though

[@OathfLouve]

Wow. That was…. wow.

[@OathfLouve]

Wow. That was … wow.

[@lproth]

No service, no benefits

[@OathfLouve]

Sweetly stated, elegant symmetry and to the point.

[@christianreynolds1324]

I mean it seems fair. How do you use your neighbors as a privite army, with non of you willing to pitch in.

[@nassermj7671]

Peace is a better debate

[@marzinaahmad8335]

Peace not war

[@johnm.4947]

Why are they exempt in the first place?

[@Owl-of-Minerva]

In the US, they're exempt as well. Same with Jehovas Witnesses. It's all about how one interprets scripture, really.

[@Ripharamve]

Not just exempt, they get benefits for every kid from the government and have like 20 kods

[@michaelfisher7170]

@@Owl-of-Minerva this special treatment needs to end in the USA as well.

[@Owl-of-Minerva]

@michaelfisher7170 agreed. They're exempt from vaccinations as well. They're making Polio great again 🤣 The funny thing is scripture allows for scribes and priest to serve the military. King David rallied them to battle for Jerusalem.

[@seasea12]

They almost got wiped out in the second world war. Their culture was almost gone. They tend not to support ism anyway as some sects believe Messiah is supposed to establish their state and doing it yourself prevents Him from coming. They sometimes show up in the States at pro-Pa tine protests of all things.

[@gj1234567899999]

It’s like asking the Amish to be conscripted to fight in America but if the Amish were 20% of the population.

[@Steven_Edwards]

The Amish can be drafted for other services. Some of the greatest heros of WW2 refused to take up arms but were willing to enter combat to save their countrymen and drag them off the field of battle. Something tells me these guys are not even willing to go that far.

[@gj1234567899999]

@@Steven_Edwards your confusing the Amish with the story of 7th day Adventist Desmond Doss who had a pacifist religion but served overseas in combat as a medic in WW2 but refused to use any weapons. The Amish never went overseas but did do forestry and hospital work stateside. 7th day Adventist have pacifist beliefs like the Amish but do not shun technology in the manner of the Amish.

[@corriehordyk3342]

And on welfare!

[@TheAshleywiggins]

Amish are anti war.

[@EngineeringWizard11]

At least the Amish work hard and also don't take my tax money. I'm completely fine with them and leaving them alone.

[@vaterunser3879]

"We are different from anyone else that's why we all wear the same clothes"

[@ccrozz99]

Im so tired of this welfare state.

[@bzakaria8626]

Just close the welfare office. That might solve it

[@OathfLouve]

I can’t even… I’m on the floor. 😂😂😂😂

[@fromthepeanutgallery1084]

Finally people have figured the numbers game. If they all protest there will not be enough room for them in jail.

[@Flickvids100]

So...this is not antisemitism, but criticizing israel is...😂😂😂😂😂

[@kuiama23]

Well this is actually religious. The other is all about making US see them as the chosen people. Lol

[@lancelothogben1297]

End Zionism, free Palestinian AND Israel

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

BINGO

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

@@kuiama23That the Evangelicals actually hate them (for killing their boy J.C. weird that was the plan all along) and WANT Yahweh to punish them again (read the Old Testament Yahweh is kind of an abusive murdering father) they believe the nation of Israel will perform the abomination of desolation at the temple in Jerusalem, pissing Yahweh off so much he rolls in and wipes out all but 144,000 of em . Like he did to the tribe of Benjamin in 2Kings 19-21 . But hay what do I know. I don’t even worship Yahweh, I worship Ashirah (the Holy Spirit)

[@That-Guy-79]

Lol. They won't even fight for their survival.

[@malignustotalis331]

If you don't protect your country you don't deserve to live in it.🎉

[@zia8248]

It ain't their country tho

[@ashiau]

Extremists also exist in Israel 😨

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

Atleast they don't kill other people while shouting religious chants

[@laithmughrabi8990]

@@mabhodlelajj1195 they do. search "Wedding of hate", it's an example.

[@Ch0sen1NE776]

​@@mabhodlelajj1195You're right they tell other people to go do it🤣

[@countbenjamin1442]

Yeah every major religion has an extremist group.

[@Ahmed-oq3ug]

​@@mabhodlelajj1195 Baruch Goldstein says hi

[@chadjmoore]

Rulling a government with secular religious rules is contradictory to democracy and a functioning country. All religions are philosophies not fact, believe whatever you want, just keep it to yourself. You have no more right to tell anyone what to believe than anyone else does. You only have the right to decide for yourself. End religious power and you end wars. Fighting over a philosophy is pointless as anyone can make up a new one to contradict yours, so on and so on. Just look at our history. Let's grow up as a species.

[@jacqueslee2592]

Right. Nobody knows if there really is a heaven and God after the end of life.

[@jillybe1873]

UK, our Head of State is the Head of the Church. It keeps us humane.

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

What if religion is just a tool of power and it's centralised power itself which demands war?

[@OathfLouve]

Excellent.

[@chadjmoore]

@@whatilearnttoday5295 religion is a tool of power. It always has been. Make people fear a horrible torturous after life if you don't follow my rules (sorry gods rules). All the religious leaders know they are lying to you to keep you in line.

[@TitanMoon746]

If national religious yeshiva students go to the army, so can haredi yeshiva students.

[@OathfLouve]

True.

[@KellyK-il2bk]

Israel needs to stop the genocide in Gaza and leave Lebanon alone… I respect the ultra orthodox. I do not respect expansionist, colonialist Israel. God bless the ultra orthodox.

[@RaFortunate1Mo]

Draft Immediately !

[@sygboe1]

Or, the rest of Israel should turn orthodox. Not sure what would happen after that.

[@matejsmrekar1218]

Nobody should be forced to go to war.

[@kaxin1367]

Some are, other not, that's the issue.

[@jamiefagan9129]

I agree, but these guys are pro war and want hamas to be annihilated yet they think fighting a war is beneath them.

[@cassandratq9301]

Conscientious objector is ok, like in the U.S. - they can serve in the rear, but they need to serve.

[@IVR68]

I was looking for a comment like this! Thank you

[@cs0345]

Either everyone should be forced to go, or no one should

[@anderslunde861]

They should be forced like anyone else!!

[@tombranch2261]

Or perhaps nobody should be forced.

[@IVR68]

Maybe it's not worth fighting for what forces you

[@anderslunde861]

@@tombranch2261 when Palestinians are getting slaughtered daily, religion is no exuse in my opinion, but then again I think religion is nonsense.