Why MacBooks Aren’t Selling Anymore 📉

[@ZachsTechTurf]

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[@harshkithani9734]

hah hater, run gay cars lover

[@playliveproductionsplp5713]

My dad has a 2017 13 inch macbook pro

[@playliveproductionsplp5713]

@@harshkithani9734bro why

[@kishascape]

ARM architecture is stupid in a laptop. That's why no one is buying, usb-c charging a laptop is also stupid.

[@flitai]

Zach its because laptops are a waste of mmmey and grenade themselves eventually. old apple laptops hold up better than new ones.

[@vijayakumarikumar3920]

Because during pandemic everyone needed one for classes and work, so they bought a laptop but now everyone are using the same and have less need also

[@riccardomilos8873]

You are right, the people who buy macbooks are youtubers or someone that needs a good laptop

[@totosa2713]

​@@riccardomilos8873 good laptop? Mac book?

[@totosa2713]

Nvm i kinda forgot that even tho i hate macbook on performance side it a lot better on editing/media side

[@riccardomilos8873]

​@TOTOSA, of course, a macbook is better for doing editing and video stuff they are more a type of only hard work machine but who needs more power when an m1 is better for price and performance

[@riccardomilos8873]

@@totosa2713 everyone hates them for the past when apple used intels for macb9oks and the price was 1300€/$ and the performance was worse than a good windows laptop. And everyone hates the apple why to choose prices like the ipad 9 was 329€/$ base 64gb and now the 10 gen is 530€/$ base 64gb

[@febrianadji5758]

Used market does exist And it's much larger than I was expecting

[@h_ass_an]

I bought a used thinkpad t470 for 200$ and it works just fine, I might even upgrade the ram to 16gb

[@Benjamin_exe]

I bought a used acer nitro 5 2019 for $500 in "like new" condition. It worked hecka good

[@azizinanc]

Used market for apple products in EU is insane (overpriced)

[@Nenemon]

I got a Mid 2010 MacBook (polycarbonate) for £25 in the UK a year and a half ago and so far it’s done a great job of getting me through my College years. I upgraded it to 6GB RAM and installed a Crucial MX500 512GB SSD to make a big difference in system responsiveness (I’m well aware of the SATA 2 limitations). Cost something like £75 in the end seeing that the RAM was already lying around in my household

[@interistaa21]

Used market is great - Big FU to the retail stores that won’t lower their prices.

[@POLAR_BAR]

Nobody upgrades MacBooks every year that’s the problem.

[@pk-so1mj]

I’m still using my 2018 MacBook Pro and it’s awesome. Can’t justify the update yet.

[@a7kilr]

@@pk-so1mjI was going to upgrade yet but my 2018 15” MacBook Pro broke last week, it just randomly turned off and never came back on, the repair price was going to be £800 (GBP)

[@funnyduck4568]

@@pk-so1mjI upgraded from 2018 MacBook Pro cuz it was super slow and loud and bad battery plus my new MacBook has more ports

[@funnyduck4568]

@@a7kilrapple are thieves with the prices they charge

[@Leandro-nx7ij]

​@@pk-so1mj i use a 2011 macbook pro😅 works like a charm just not on apples os

[@Thatpilotdakota]

The issue isn’t the economy. The issue is that Apple keeps raising their prices. The actual value of a MacBook is much lower than the price tag that they sell it for.

[@cb2738]

AGREED! and most people buy Apple for exclusivity rather the performance. That is A very interesting perspective

[@neonlithium]

Finally, someone acknowledges their greed

[@guyman1570]

Always has been 😂

[@Hahahhahahahhah]

Makes no sense ,you guys are always like “oH aPPle iS SO eXpeNsive”

[@SliceOfLife93]

@@HahahhahahahhahApple *is* expensive for no reason.

[@azreal4062]

So now apples gonna send them all an update and reduce their speed so that they buy new one .

[@videoeventjakarta]

huh??

[@hoven-lh8wq]

Apple standard

[@WITCHCRAFT_TV]

😂 right

[@majormindsbeats7740]

Wow didn't thunk of this now that you mentioned it😢😢😢😢

[@isaiahtaylor5736]

Yea they literally have been sued for this and they still do it😂

[@Maxime_K-G]

Those companies really think that laptops are a consumer good and you should buy a new one every two years.

[@micgames46]

Don’t give em ideias

[@roboteen]

Thats just apple.... Pc users just upgrade ram and put in a newer ssd.

[@Jordansklar0698]

I have a dell optiplex 7010 from 2011 i upgraded the psu the ram to 32gb to a 256gb ssd and 2tb of storage hdd and a core i7 3770 cpu and a nvidia gtx 1050ti runs all my games fine the gpu is from 2016 i should upgrade probs but it runs what i need just fine and i game on linux

[@PWingert1966]

My IBM T61 is 15 years old should I consider buying a new one now that I can't install windows 11 on it?

[@Not_interestEd-]

​@@PWingert1966 if you have the money, Framework is your friend. Otherwise, probably not if your laptop still runs good enough for what you do.

[@jeremyh4180]

Also their prices for adding necessary parts such as more Ram and storage are fundamentally outrageous.

[@1manec]

It’ll generally last a lot longer than a Windows PC I’ve got a 2011 MacBook Pro that albeit really slow by today’s standards compared to the M1 I just got it’s still alive😂

[@MS7.7]

@@1manec I have M1 MB Air and its great! but I also have 2007 Acer Aspire and 2012 Sony Vaio and 2009 Toshiba Satellite. They just needed SSD upgrade just like your Mac after that they run flawlessly. Your argument is invalid.

[@NOTONtechsx]

@@1manec noicee logic 😂😂 Go touch some grass!

[@NOTONtechsx]

@@1manec I remember my cousin asked me to let him borrow my MacBook for sometime as he wanted to flex in front of his friends. My MacBook felt so disrespectful that it didn't work for the next 2 days 🤣🤣... The last sentence was a joke lmao... Nothing happened to the MacBook but it's true that my cousin asked for it to flex lol~

[@NeonLine1982]

Yeah, 200 bucks for each upgrade of ram or storage is outrageous

[@sobasically2299]

You know selling a comically expensive laptop in the middle of a struggling economy is maybe not a smart idea

[@YD_.]

It’s pretty reasonably priced, I mean look at the Dell XPS

[@sobasically2299]

@@YD_. problem is you could get a good gaming pc for its price

[@YD_.]

@@sobasically2299 last I checked I can’t fit a gaming pc in my backpack

[@sobasically2299]

@@YD_. did i ever mention the size

[@YD_.]

@@sobasically2299 you're comparing a gaming pc to a laptop. There's a cost that comes with putting a high performance workstation in the form factor of a laptop. It's comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended)

[@a_plus_luxe3426]

I remember as a kid in the 00s when you would use a 3 year old laptop you could feel see and hear the difference. New games would bug, downloads were slow, ram would get overloaded, etc. But nowadays, even 5 year old phones are still perfectly usable. My gaming PC I built in 2018 runs anything I throw at it and my work laptop from 2019 is still lightning quick in adobe. 16 gb of ram on a 4.8 ghz processor with a 2tb m.2 is as good then as it is now, so there’s no point in upgrading.

[@DarkAttack14]

I thought 16 gigs of ram was enough till I started using stable diffusion, 32 is now enough lol

[@superskiver3893]

Ol' Zach here needs some clicks, so they made a braindead short.

[@bsanchez3563]

But can it run both the ps2 emulation without a graphic synthesizer, emulate ps3/ps3 games, or "run crysis?"

[@PFnove]

Fun fact for you: your laptop from 2019 has better specs than most if not all base model MacBooks

[@dccd673]

My MacBook Pro is 9! Still works really great

[@jacoboreyes3160]

Because a 1k laptop that is unupgradable and unrepairable is outrageous.

[@gliderman9302]

No it is not

[@mika_cri]

​@@gliderman9302yes it is

[@andycollins1080]

​@@gliderman9302they are shite, we've had 4 pack up on us,never again

[@Ep2d957]

Yeah but still faster and more efficient than any of the competitors at that price point with better keyboard display trackpad etc.

[@ajddavid452]

​@@Ep2d957apple fanboy

[@Ram_i_]

That's when "battery problems" and "performance issues" start appearing in M1 macbooks

[@dokkwalk]

You know it.

[@Alexander-bo5sz]

Lmao no

[@nylotical]

Yeah no pal. Only SSD issues if you overexert the swap. Those slowing myths are solely caused by an old battery. You swap the battery and it will be as good as new.

[@RK800-re5lf]

​@@nyloticalit's a reference to how apple purposefully slows down older software to make people buy new ones, sheep

[@mouradak7ay185]

⁠@@RK800-re5lfu dumb or sum? they slow down so ur battery doesnt die fast since its old

[@S3XYdriver]

It’s because most of the MacBooks that have come out on the past few years have been so good nobody is upgrading to the new ones. M1 MacBook Air is the best Mac apple has made in a decade

[@DaughterofGaia1979]

Great, now they're gonna start making them shitty😅lol

[@hollownexus9316]

If you watched the whole video you'd know it ain't a M1 thing as other companies have also had this happen to them.

[@Chrisp707-]

@@hollownexus9316 in truth the comment still holds truth. Those companies saw a drop yes but apple saw the biggest drop out of anybody.

[@Aria_Dragonneel]

Or, you could have the issue of the M1 laptop being barely 2 years old and suddenly not showing the display - amongst other common issues. I hate the black screen of death.

[@bazzers]

Need a graph of last few years for context. Show surge of people buying M1 and M2 machines, who won't need another machine for a long time. New,desirable apps that are CPU/GPU starved would help drive sales -- games? Heavy duty dailly needs for majority of people may be in a different product: AR glasses would benefit from much more compute power than the current Apple Vision Pro ships with. When AR glasses are way less clunky and more powerful, "laptop" mode can be a glasses app, just like "iPod" mode became a phone app.

[@miguelramires2726]

Computers are just lasting a lot longer now, I'm still rocking my 2018 MacBook Pro i9 15-inch

[@essence2302]

I'm using a 2011 Mac Book Air for basic things like surfing the net and typing papers. It still works well.

[@adibchyy]

As a lifelong PC user, the M1 air was genuinely my favourite tech purchase. Amazing battery, good workhorse, super portable, and just as fast as the day I bought it. I probably won’t need a new one for years to come.

[@Tj-km7ps]

Wait until an update completely slows down your machine

[@marlo8850]

Meanwhile I’m still using my 5 year old Gaming Laptop, because I have the privilege of being able to use power outlets instead of praising a Laptop for its Battery life when everyone just sits at a desk with it plugged into a dock or a charger. Also my Laptop has 4TBs of SSDs that are faster than the ones shipped with the new M3 MBP and dont cost 2000$

[@AlexMint]

@@marlo8850 at least while out and about, a lot of places don't like it when you plug in, so having some flexibility is nice when your average laptop these days can barely last an hour of actual work off the charger before the battery starts to get ruined. While I think Apple's upcharges are asinine, 4tb is generally excessive and if you think you need that much storage, you're probably doing something that would be better suited to ruining portable drives.

[@Ishamv3]

@@marlo8850 Well said. Good battery-life is welcome, but it can't be your main feature. Unless you're working on-site, or in remote villages, I just don't see the point.

[@OzanG31]

​@@Tj-km7psapple doesn't do that to macs

[@anonymous_preferred7737]

Simple way to fix this. Decrease prices, allow upgradability. MacBooks were in their prime during the unibody era (2008-2012).

[@Networknukes]

macbooks are still good. If your broke and just wanna complain about the price be my guest. But macbooks are good if you know how to use one

[@rayyanshaikh5591]

lmao why would they decrease prices? there is no substitute for macbooks now. every laptop besides a macbook has shit battery life. apple knows people will buy macbooks regardless of price.

[@Networknukes]

@@rayyanshaikh5591 exactly macbooks are really good

[@anonymous_preferred7737]

@@Networknukes Many people I know rely on applications such as Logic Pro and Final Cut. These same people can’t afford to get the “new model” every year or two. It’s a lot easier to upgrade your preexisting Mac rather than upgrade to a new one. Lowering the price will also allow more MacBooks to sell. But I get it, you support higher prices so rich snobs such as yourself can brag about owning a high-end computer.

[@anonymous_preferred7737]

@@rayyanshaikh5591 well as he explained, people AREN’T buying them as much. MacBooks are NOT the only laptops with good battery life. The best way to increase sales is to lower prices and entice customers with user-upgradability. Simple supply and demand.

[@thomasross1702]

I literally just bought the M2 yesterday so excited to get it tomorrow. I never had an apple tablet at all my whole life I’m 31. Things were just more important then myself. Working non stop for 14 years straight for other people and not spending a dime on yourself for that long you learn to appreciate what you have and receive. Stay humble y’all

[@elliotta8391]

how are you finding it so far? :)

[@R1Originals]

​@@elliotta8391 I thought to ask but u asked. Like❤

[@R1Originals]

​@@elliotta8391 I thought to ask but u asked. Liked ❤

[@CleanBeginnings]

❤

[@pancakelens75]

My M1 is a slow useless brick that I deeply regret wasting money on

[@Nenemon]

If the macbook pros were more affordable like I remember in 2012, they would definitely be more compelling to new and existing customers

[@zj7396]

lol I wish housing prices are affordable as 2012

[@MichaelGGarry]

In 2012 the 13" MBP started at US$1,199 and the 15" at US$2,199. Adjusting for inflation, those prices would be $1,576 and $2,890 in 2023 dollars. Meanwhile 2023 MBPs cost.....$1,299(M2 13"), $1,999 (M2 Pro 14") and $2,499 (M2 Pro 16"). So no, they were not more affordable in 2012 at all. In fact they are cheaper now.

[@mathewm3073]

@@MichaelGGarryppl forget inflation tbf the 13 inch is the really old design

[@Nenemon]

@@MichaelGGarryI was intending for that to be interpreted as ‘Priced exactly the same’ while ignoring inflation but yeah, bigger number scares people more

[@rayyanshaikh5591]

if the macbook pros were “more affordable” then they wouldn’t be macbook pros. macbook pros are meant for high computational work, not just browsing the web. there is no reason the average person needs a macbook pro. the air option exists, and is excellently priced. if you’re a professional then you know what you’re spending your money on.

[@thisaintart]

Still running a 2012 13” mbp that thing is a TANK!

[@DaddyFrosty]

Just wait until your discrete GPU dies, that won’t be fun…

[@MiracleWinchester]

Mine’s dying.

[@thankyouverymochi]

nice that's why I recommend buying macbooks to my relatives since they do last for at least 10 year.

[@garrylong2993]

@@DaddyFrosty even if it dies he probably doesn’t care, its 10 years old atp and the fact that it’s running is crazy

[@MsCocopuffy]

I have a 2012 and 2014 still using

[@RandomGuyonYouTube21]

One more thing people ignore is that, even in professional uses, a high-end gaming PC is now cheaper than a Mac Pro, you need Atleast 7000 USD for that but on the other hand, PCs with components like a threadripper and a 4090 cost Atleast a 1000 dollars less, which can compensate for the security difference in both systems

[@allstarsalmeida]

Because we’re all tired of the sales hype, they’ll do minor upgrades that is not even worth upgrading than slap a high price stamp and expect us to waist our hard earn money on it smh.

[@bsanchez3563]

Idk fwiw it is after a little while of getting ... used to the differnt style of mouse in hs for a 11th grade iirc. Digital yeah it was a 11th grade year that I was in at the time pre 20s era that digital film class had us usong imacs.. fwiw it felt so new and.. confusing or different but after a few times of foguring out how to browse fwiw.. I got the hang of well browsing.. change is suprisingly fwiw unfathomabke but with the right motives or people you can well imho one could be fairly blown away by the amount of... changes they can make or just plain seemingly have over a period of howeverl ong with given enough time and effort etc.. and the sometiems suddenly not necessarily for being that a sotuations changed but.. fwiw a new interest or person enters the life of an individual not limited to death is what I mean.. or moving away etc.. or otherwise but for what it is.. ig ftw somehow one can with the needed skill to do so.. even sell well fwiw idk but yeah like pretty much snow in the Canadian and Alaskan area citizens or bread to wait thats a bad example.. nvm but yeah with even unintent/unpurposeful/effortlessly somehow.. some way there is bound to sooner or later.. if ya live long enough I know.. or can say imho that eventually that situation or individual existence in ya knowledge crops up even if not via any other direct route or means of being a existing scenario vs mereky stumbling into them or said situations etc. Ig it is kind of like how research fwiw of the methods of marketing exist for many companies with vast budgets for sucj things. It really all just tends to happen so that it happens to be a thing with to the effect of which it makes a more mature etc and wiser or more aware ig.. so to speak and for the better afterall even with change *ehehe* no pun intended..an also let go of some of the unexplainably so strong of materials or wprdly objects that were seemingly oh so life destiny level of worth or goal worthy of spending time waiting for one to make a point of feasibly having/acquorong one day/someday.. pfft lol suddenly no longer seem to be exactly.. idk ig what one turns out to have that badly needed [er I mean wanted] Now albeit that is fine if fwiw say one finds themselves havign such item or goal of hteir former selves oh so much of the time occupied of thoughts an dreams of obtaining or buying. etc.. but pfft lols fwiw it just seens oh so.. idk clearer Anyays tldr.. well fwiw idk for I have not been looking specifically for I have no immeadiete forseeable need for a computer for sake of using as a pc or whatever or laptop or really letalone a desktop/tower if thsoe are terms sitll used if it makes sense fwiw.. but yeah idk why not say go for it if it suits fwiw checks off all yab oxes an is feasible go for it imho.. just reasearch before buying anything of a major purchase is my vibe/advice fwiw.. granted ianal nor an accredited or educated on finances for purposes of being an advisor so fwiw take what you will with a grain of salt but yeah, much like most or any of what one can find on the internet imho.

[@NPC-yearsago]

Well because if you want to upgrade 8ram to 16 ram about 200 buck man

[@chrstphrxmllr]

People complain about upgrade prices yet spend over 200 a month on Starbucks.

[@unkown34x33]

I don't think 16ram cost that much... Let me guess. Apple think another engineers from other brands are not as good as their garbage genius:/ yeah..

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

@@chrstphrxmllr That logic doesn't even hold water... What would comparaable beverages cost from another company? Odds are quite similar. For memory, I can tell you prices. I'm looking at a 2x16 gb kit of DDR5 that you can pick up for a list price of US$150 plus any applicable taxes. For 75% of what apple charges to upgrade to just 16 gigs you can have double that.

[@chrstphrxmllr]

@@ZeldagigafanMatthew what I was trying to say more was people waste money on coffee and that’s why they are broke. If you didn’t want a Mac you wouldn’t be complaining about the price. Maybe save that coffee money so you can buy things that you actually want. Therefore people complaining about the price want a Mac but because they waste so much money it’s out of their reach. Say no to things so you can make room for things that actually matter to you. I have a windows desktop with 64 GB I know ram isn’t as expensive as Apple charges, but I prefer a Unix environment and don’t mind paying the Apple tax. I can pay the Apple tax because I don’t waste money on take out and coffee. I used to get a few coffees a day that can add up to a few hundred a month. And that’s a few grand each year. Again if you didn’t want a Mac you wouldn’t even complain about the price so I was just trying to help people that want a Mac see that it’s not nearly as expensive as their bad spending habits are. I’d rather have something tangible like a computer than waste money on consumables that don’t last more than 10 minutes.

[@Dylan20579]

€80-90 for 16gb of normal DDR5 memory no way should you be getting charged more than an extra 50 because don’t forget, it just straight soldered onto the mb and it’s not it’s own product on laptops

[@sierraguru6942]

Your phone fills lots of niches that used to require a standalone computer.

[@marcellachine5718]

I went completely mobile with my phone in 2017 and never looked back.

[@jasonmullis-x3r]

Facts!

[@RickRijuanaPro]

That's a great point.

[@SoosRamirez1]

@@marcellachine5718npc

[@byletheisner5006]

That is what I always says, outside gaming and the few people that use the PCs to work, almost no one needs a computer anymore

[@depressedwatermelon411]

Not only is everything expensive but the last gen MacBooks were super good. They were so powerful and good that there’s not a need for the upgrade except for a select few people

[@robbiet4028]

With all pc sales down, part of it is the economy, but another part of it is the mentality for most people to “just use my phone” to do daily tasks.

[@MCKornbred]

MacBooks (and Macs in general) typically last forever. My 2010 iMac still works perfectly fine (even though they cut support for some iCloud features with older versions of MacOS). The only reason I gave it to my mother (who’s well in her 80s and doesn’t need the latest and greatest) is because I needed the portability of a MacBook. Unfortunately the Touch Bar did go out on my early 2020 MBP but I don’t foresee any issues like that happening with my M3 Pro MBP so I’ll probably keep it for at least a good five years before I need to upgrade again

[@John.Doe42069]

I'd rather say this decline is also happening because of the saturation of home office laptop needs. In 2020 and 2021 many companies needed massive amounts of laptops to give them to their employees in home office. Then in 2022 the market got saturated and now the demand is plummeting. And yes, the general economic situation is a big factor as well.

[@carbb5760]

Yes this is the most reasonable answer here. I feel like most people don’t even need any type of PC anymore for personal use at least, can do everything from a smartphone

[@benravenhill484]

sounds reasonable enough bro

[@OShackHennessy]

I can’t wait until these laptops hit the used market. It’s going to be epic for a nerd like me who loves buying used machines for dirt cheap.

[@KILLOXY]

The performance has gotten good enough to meet the masses' needs for years to come. We are simply entering the territory with tech at which the vast majority of consumers do not need to upgrade because what they have is already overkill for their needs.

[@MoneyR236]

They’re not in serious trouble because Mac sales represent a small percentage of their total revenue

[@falloutfallout-er5vw]

back in the day a cellphone is considered an “extension of your laptop” now it’s the other way around

[@ganymedehedgehog371]

The problem is they made them too good. My m1 runs as well as when I bought it 4 years ago so I can’t justify an upgrade. Not asking for them to make a bad product but these are kinda too good

[@tge2102]

Everyone bought/upgraded laptops during the pandemic for work/school. Most people don't have the need or the money to buy one every year lol

[@floppa9415]

Two things. Most people don't buy 1000$ laptops in general. Second - there is no cheap entry machine. I personally would buy a 1000$+ Laptop but I am not gonna risk it on some OS i have almost no experience with. They need a sub 600$ Macbook SE Type device for people to try MacOS out without being super expensive.

[@BarcelonasHotCrowd]

I disagree. Apple doesn't do cheap. They fit top quality components which last. It's common for a MacBook to perform well for 10 years. Also Mac OS is just like using iOS on your iPhone or iPadOS on an iPad but better. You get what you pay for. Quality costs.

[@floppa9415]

@@BarcelonasHotCrowd I am pretty sure they could figure out a way to bring the cost down to a 600$ pricepoint. They did with the entry iPad. Only costs around 300$ and sold me on iPads. Now I upgraded to a 11" M1 iPad Pro.

[@dvisn11]

Well everyone I know spends over 1000$ on their laptops. I don't even know a single person who has a laptop for under 1K$. Maybe you are just around the wrong people...

[@photoniccannon2117]

​@@dvisn11 Ah, keeping up with the jones I see.

[@BoberKurwa0]

As a longtime Windows user, it took me only a week to get used to macOS.

[@debuniinnocent4491]

I've owned the same laptop for the past 3yrs I don't see the need to buy another when it's still functioning and serves the purpose

[@SirBoopBoop]

The one thing that irks me about MacBooks now is how modularity has absolutely gone out the window. You can't upgrade your RAM anymore, you can't upgrade your storage, nothing. If you buy a used one, you get what you get and that absolutely sucks IMO. The MacBook will only be as good as it came from the factory unless you pay exorbitant prices for a new one yourself.

[@jacksond7956]

Everyone at my college uses a Mac. People probably just aren’t buying the new ones every year because of how expensive they are

[@carlosux]

i got an m1 for school. this thing will probably last me another 10 years.

[@yomama6473]

​@@Ayghri I'm still using the macbook that I bought in 2017 and still hasn't slowed down at all

[@gary7851]

I'm still using my 2015 and it still works like a charm lol, recently upgraded to 2018 I9 edition for a good price.

[@skylovescars69420]

As you showed in the graph, most companies were down 20% while Apple was down 2%

[@Riyozsu]

Apple headlines is all media cares about.

[@Teluric2]

Apple cant go beyond 15% marketshare😅😅

[@mr.u8006]

@@Teluric2 but it earns 80% of the market

[@nov1st]

Honestly, macOS is one of the main reasons I don’t wanna get a new MacBook (besides the lack of io) the OS gets in my way sooo much that I just can’t deal with it anymore, it’s hard for me to imagine using it for anything other than light web browsing, not like it can do that much with barely any third party support (and I’m not paying 2000 for 8gbs of ram) if you really want macOS go for a used intel model

[@ArthropodSpidey]

That’s because you have no idea how to use it. If I can run multiple VMs and code on it, it means that you don’t know anything about it

[@gamingboi_7730]

Same

[@gamingboi_7730]

The MacBooks are powerful but they cant play videogames because of the shitty mac os

[@TechandTrainsChannel]

​​​@@ArthropodSpidey if you have to use a virtual machine to do your daily tasks (unless you work in security) there's literally no point paying for expensive hardware and wasting the performance with virtualisation (do people _really_ want to play games in virtual machines, etc)

[@nov1st]

@@ArthropodSpidey well, I have much more specific use cases, one of which requires me to zip files, so let’s say that I zipped multiple items into a .zip to upload onto a website, and the website denies the file due to “unknown files” these “files” are automatically created when zipping a file, specifically on macOS, so I usually have to use a third party app, or just use another computer/OS, All of these things are doable, but you just have to jump through hoops whereas other OS’ can do these out of the box

[@Visdemhvemduer]

I’m still using MacBook Pro from mid-2012 and this was one of the last MacBook Pro that was upgradable. It’s still working remarkably well, minus the fact that the battery no longer holds and it heats up quite quickly. I think a good 7-10 years use of a laptop is enough to justify the price. The idea of buying new one every year is absurd and how good is that laptop if you have to buy a new one every year 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@EmpolyIsHere]

Is it hot because it's working harder due to age, or is it an unchanged thermal paste? I'm just asking, not judging.

[@Visdemhvemduer]

@@EmpolyIsHere you could be absolutely right!

[@Visdemhvemduer]

@@EmpolyIsHere thanks to your comment and a bit of research. I changed the thermal paste (still hot) but then I research further and downloaded the Mac fans control apps, now at full blast setting and possibly with new thermal paste, my Mac runs a lot cooler now. So thank you.

[@EmpolyIsHere]

@@Visdemhvemduer I'm glad it helped, enjoy your fresh laptop!

[@khangvinh4656]

The M1 can do 90% of what the M2 and M3 does, which is watching KZbin and writing google docs. the MacBook best selling point is the speed of video editing, in which barely anyone whose owned a MacBook ever use it for.

[@siddhshah6629]

They are creating products that should last a decade. Obviously people are going to buy less if they’re lasting longer. It has nothing to do with it being bad

[@denisdev4793]

having a macbook means that you dont need to buy one in the next 10 years this is why i still have the same macbook since 2013

[@mercedesgalindo4277]

My MacBook Pro mid-2015 is a very sought after product on the used market and apart from my fans taking off when I’m gaming or doing video heavy tasks, it still runs fine. Though I may downgrade from MacOS Monterey though.

[@AjentIvVii]

@@mercedesgalindo4277 - any particular reason why are you thinking to downgrade. I am on Big Sur. It's sailing good. Early 2014 MBA.

[@hartoz]

The total lack of upgradability doesn't help. You can't even put a new SSD in it, when the SSD fails, the MacBook becomes e-waste.

[@RAHAnimated]

MacBooks are quite expensive. It’s better to just buy a PC. But if you need portability, you can just buy any other affordable laptop, That works just fine.

[@Hanzo25]

I know people that still use their 2015 MacBooks don’t know about the US but it’s Europe is it’s comparatively more expensive so if it works u keep it

[@lucasorourke7887]

MacBooks have such longevity too. I have had a 2017 MacBook Pro since new, and it runs the most current software and is perfect for uni work. I just think their laptops and other products have been that good and stay that good for a while that people don’t see the point in upgrading

[@LegoMaster5197]

2017 isn’t that old, a windows laptop would be able to do the same thing

[@chosenone7080]

@@LegoMaster5197 there is no windows laptop from 2017 that is running today

[@ritwikbanerjee4968]

​@@chosenone7080 I have seen windows laptops way before 2017 still working perfectly till now.

[@lucasorourke7887]

@@LegoMaster5197 nah not to the same standard. My dad has a windows laptop from the same year also with the I5 processor in it and it’s so slow and terrible. And I know a few mates who got similar laptops around the same time and they’ve ended up binning them for MacBooks cos they went so slow and unusable

[@LeoInterVir]

​​@@lucasorourke7887As someone who's not a beginner. Cheap laptops are cheap for a reason. If you expect same performance from a cheap laptop as one that is $1000 plus, you are not smart. Now given that, put an SSD in a laptop and upgrade the memory for less than $100 to breathe life back in it. As time goes on, memory and storage demand for apps goes up putting strain on older hardware. Also Apple should not be rewarded for anti consumer and anti repair practices.

[@thesupergamer5894]

As some others have pointed out, over the last 2 years the pandemic forced people to need laptops... most of that is gone now, so it makes sense that they'd see a decline

[@nnggghhaa3709]

you're acting like people just went out and bought 2k laptops for zoom calls, most of laptops bought were cheap school devices

[@lilyzelda]

My macbook pro with the touch bar i bought in 2019. It just stopped working in 2022. Tried getting it fixed from 3 different people and they said its fried. I legit didnt do anything but school work and use illustrator. After that i just bought an entire pc set up used for less than $500. Honestly like it better than the macbook I had.

[@technician006]

Yea. I had a Mac mini, 5 years old and it slowed down so bad. Fired up my old Dell, over 15 years old and still works faster. Jesus.

[@Keepitreal260]

Soldered components to keep you from upgrading after you buy it. Means you can’t upgrade or replace components

[@Big-H517]

Its because when it comes to almost any Apple repair without Apple care it costs around half of what you paid for meanwhile windows it’s like a $100 here and there

[@Yeen_Beans]

I think it is a good thing tho tbh, I think they've established that their m1 chip is powerful and long lasting, honestly looking to get one myself as most windows based laptops tend to fail fairly quickly

[@hkn125]

Changing my Windows PC to a MAC Studio

[@nnggghhaa3709]

time for apple to mess with the software then lol

[@DerDudelino]

Might be a hot take, but Apple should look at Gaming as their next big market. The M1 and M2 are ridiculously powerful laptop chips that don't get as hot as Intel or Nvidia - it's a huge pain to install games though and make them run. If they spend just a little bit more dev time on this, Apple could overtake a good chunk of the gaming laptop market.

[@krzychhoo]

I don't think this would really work out. Apple's new chips are ARM based so you need to deal with emulating x86. MacOS also doesn't have native Vulkan support. Apple's chips also aren't the best in terms of GPU performance. Not to mention that gamers care about bang for the buck a lot. Apple also has no brand around gaming.

[@JoeOrber]

There’s been a lot of rumors about Microsoft wanting to transition Windows to ARM architecture processors, they would shoot themselves on the foot if they do 😂

[@DerDudelino]

@@JoeOrber I wouldn't be surprised to be honest. Intel's CPU architecture is so far behind everything Apple builds, it's wild. When you look at an Intel i9, which gets so hot, it requires cooling almost from booting, while the M1 only activates their highest fan speed when you render something in 4K.

[@sohigh7433]

​@@JoeOrber they would shoot themselves in the foot if they didn't. The future is low power, high performance. If they lack behind on the ARM market nothing could save them.

[@MattLong101]

The new M chips will keep you right. I;m so pleased with the M1 i have no need for an m2

[@whateverinbetween9444]

Because the M1 family is so good, most people don’t have a need to upgrade. All my college friends switched to the M1 Air, and they have been using it since without any problems

[@ryderabner7320]

It’s because everything they sell costs 1,000+, and not everyone has the money.

[@josephwilliamson8840]

I have an i7 12700k and 4080 build for gaming and a 2022 13” MacBook Pro M2 for Lightroom and post processing. The M2 chip is outrageously powerful, especially considering it only has 8gb ram and I’m launching 61MP files (124mb +/-) through it. Apple did good with their silicone.

[@chrismansour5191]

It's almost as if no one is gonna buy the best of the best in a recession

[@TheB1nary]

The way influencers act, there is no economic downturn! 😂

[@moustaphadiallo600]

You think apple is the best of the best?

[@chrismansour5191]

@@moustaphadiallo600 No obviously not lmao, I meant the best of the best in terms of Apple's Mac offerings. Apple sell overpriced mediocre devices, yet people still buy their stuff.

[@Ibrandon3727]

Mac is not compatible with so much stuff especially if you have an M1 or M2

[@aymanmoustadrif7228]

not compatible with what for example ?

[@LunaticTheCat]

​@@aymanmoustadrif7228 It's true, my iZotope plug-ins Ozone 8 and Neutron 2 don't work yet on my M2 Macbook. iZotope is working on making them work with M1 and M2 Macs, but so far, they haven't been able to get it done yet.

[@andrei283]

​@@aymanmoustadrif7228 it isn't compatible with steam not compatible with chrome you're essentially forced to use safari like a neanderthal

[@Jordansklar0698]

@@aymanmoustadrif7228 any darn games for starters software for collages tons of thing dont work on dumb macs unless u do like me and put windows or linux on the thing

[@djmrnelson]

That’s because their laptops are over $3000 where you can get better specs on a PC laptop for half the price are better

[@jamesschneider6136]

It’s because the product is so good there is no need for a new one every year. 4-7 year use is what I shoot for.

[@muzzammil4869]

Apple : Time for a Software update

[@mezamatt2248]

I just bought an M1 MacBook Pro instead of an M2 because there is little to no performance increase and they can be found brand new for so much cheaper

[@aux1322]

You shouldve just built a computer. and your thinking, thats too much work and its too hard. Its not at all. and your gonna get something way better. Without a company always looking over your should of what your doing and how to destroy your performance or fuck you over when you need a warranty so you buy a new one 1 year later and spend more than you ever would have if you just build a PC INSTEAD.

[@aux1322]

i cant believe people still buy apple products.

[@mezamatt2248]

@@aux1322 already have, have a 3070ti and i7-12700k. That’s my gaming rig, MacBook is my school / productivity laptop. Did you also keep in mind that people need a laptop instead of a desktop? Really shouldn’t assume people’s reasoning to things.

[@mezamatt2248]

@@aux1322 stuck in the Apple Ecosystem because of school.

[@icneo9738]

​@@aux1322 "you shouldn't buy a laptop. Get a desktop computer, an entirely different class of product". Also I hate Apple as much as the next guy but there's a reason macbooks are popular (m1, screen, etc)

[@RowanBird779]

ARM is cool and all, but I don't think it will ever replace x86 like people seem to think. EDIT: Nobody refers to the PC/x86 platform as "Gaming PC"

[@UrmatG]

Interesting... Any examples that would support your proposition?

[@RowanBird779]

@@UrmatG At the moment x86 is just too common to be replaced with ARM, across hundreds of manufacturers and OEMs I just don't think it will happen. Like right now I'm writing this from my laptop, which uses an x86 processor. My original XBOX uses an x86 processor. My main desktop computer uses an x86 processor. The list goes on

[@guyman1570]

​@@UrmatG Because of compainablity

[@UrmatG]

@@RowanBird779 I see. Thanks for clarifying.

[@JacksonHoman]

It’s probably because MacBooks last a ridiculously long time so people don’t really need to buy a new one that often

[@godsmackssa]

watching the apple boy crying with the bad news

[@maximilianl4453]

I use a MacBook for work and a gaming PC in private. Best combination. Both are literally worlds apart. The MacBook is a absolute beast if it comes to workflow, productivity and speed. All in a light and small package. The gaming pc is good for gaming. But I wouldn’t want to use Windows or Linux for work. Psychology is also a factor. The mac just looks so clean and professional and I wouldn’t be tempted to play a game instead of work.

[@inva1iduser]

the last lines are perfect

[@andrei283]

The things is you can do both on a pc the term gaming pc is usually for "gaming" if you look at it as just a pc that can game you'd prefer it over a shitty macbook that can barely run programs that windows/linux can

[@garrylong2993]

@@andrei283 if you ever decide to touch grass and go somewhere, you will find that you can’t really carry a gaming PC with you

[@andrei283]

@@garrylong2993 if you touch mike hawk and saw my comment you'd know i'm not just talking about pc's i'm talkin laptops too laptops are mobile easy to use has more programs that it can run than a macbook can game(if wanted) macOS is simply worse than windows/linux quit playing "garry goofy ahh long"

[@garrylong2993]

@@andrei283 mans is talking about gaming laptops. Go outside with a gaming laptop and have the battery last more than 2 hours, have the fans not sound like a jet engine and not have it be as thick as a laptop from 2002

[@legelf]

personally, the closed ecosystem apple works in is a deal breaker, it shuts down so many possibilities for a laptop or even a phone

[@bruxi78230]

It just means you don't know what closed means. In tech it means they make their own OS and processors and no other company can buy either item. That's closed. A better word is integrated. Open simply means you are buying your processors from a company that sells to many companies and your OS is used by 200 competing companies like Android. That's open a better word is modular.

[@dan-tv1kp]

100%. The M1 is insane as it is. I use it for heavy workloads, and it absolutely cleans up. My M1 has never, ever lagged on me in more than a year and a half. It also uses like 0 Watts. The M1 is unlike anything else on the market, and has no competition beyond the M2 lol.

[@doublemusic6312]

Can you tell me what do you use your M1 Mac for?

[@holiestcrusader]

This actually makes me happy to see this statistic about apple 😊

[@RocketLR]

Why? Whats gotten you so invested? 😅

[@shoopthatoop]

they need to make a pc much like the ones that are used for gaming, but compacted. this would give amazing incentive to a new audience.

[@ZONATHEDIVISION]

I have a m1 Pro 14” and I don’t see any reason to upgrade. Final cut, logic and my photos editing softwares run perfectly fine. I work with 4k most of the time and its just awesome

[@mercedesgalindo4277]

How is the 14 inch MacBook Pro? I still have the 15inch one and when I raise the funds I am thinking it may be more versatile to get the 14inch MacBook prop as opposed to the 16 inch.

[@megavideopowermegavideopow8657]

It’s that little hard drive every MacBook should be 1tb

[@TreadTheDonutDuck]

I predicted this a few months ago and safe to say I was right. While the M1 chips were literally amazing, Apple kinda screwed themselves over with how good they were.

[@user-jq4im6rw5p]

The concept of "outperforming" yourself is very real. My laptop is a great example. It is an HP gaming laptop that I have used for games, work, and school for ~4 years. It's graphics card, RAM, and processor are TECHNICALLY poorer performers compared to the latest and greatest but I still have yet to encounter a task on my computer that would require updated hardware. If your business strategy requires you to make products that outperform your competition, you can potentially make a product that is so developed that it outperforms the needs of your customer much longer than simply a year when the newer product will release.

[@rowanyuh6326]

I think windows laptops caught up a lot in efficiency and people who bought m1 pro or whatever dont have a need to replace it

[@iamgooning]

Because I could get the cheaper steam deck, buy a laptop case and screen, put everything in and boom I have a cheaper gaming laptop

[@7oeseven793]

I’m sure it’s 40% down because people are using steam decks instead

[@asmeromabel]

when was a macbook ever a gaming laptop

[@whigmalwhim4760]

Mac laptops arent targeted towards the gaming crowd. Moreso the scientific community or professors that need a powerful Unix system that meets their needs

[@Mayuri.Kurotsuchi]

@@whigmalwhim4760 Most so artists and designers that "need" those things that "only apple can deliver", such as the right colour scheme, better support for Adobe and rendering due to the things you mentioned. 👀 I even bought in on that when I studied graphic design, damnit! ☹️ At the least it got me into programming a bit of Unix and using Ubuntu too, before moving to WSL and Raspberry Pi/Single board PCs.

[@rmselector]

they should care about their customers

[@Mushroom-3264]

Woohoo!!! Apple is finally failing at something for the longest time ever. This company is overrated as hell.

[@gn2b445]

hmm not good to fail because these efficient laptops are competing with extremely inefficient current windows laptops, so it tells the competitors to improve

[@sargonoshana2324]

Its called a great brand name.

[@krisvaras7801]

the used market is huge, i bought a 2013 air for my dad and that MacBook just flies, still a great performing mac

[@nampham6483]

Its because our hardware has evolved so much that its became so powerful for our daily tasks like web browsing or even gaming.. having more powerful hardware doesn’t give us a better experience..

[@bradyhill2136]

I think it’s due to a lot of work from home jobs not supporting the Mac OS

[@shadowslicer3845]

It’s because they replaced the old ports that you now need an adapter for and they took away the extremely useful Touch Bar

[@junzhengca]

The thing is, M1 Pro is so good that I don't see any reason to upgrade for the vast majority of people, including professionals. My company is still shipping M1 Macs with 32GB of RAM, which is plenty for almost everyone. Even for specialists we only offer more RAM, not M2/M3.

[@Mbabbb399]

Because they have made machines so much more powerful and each new generation is realistically a marginal improvement over the last

[@hackitmaster1505]

This is good in that apples quality lasts so long but also scary cause I am sure they will try and combat this with crappier products that need replacing more often

[@jwoods9659]

I have a macbook pro 2012... upgraded the ram and HD... folks it still works great. If you bought a M1 you DONT NEED TO UPGRADE for years

[@electrified0]

We've hit a general stagnation point in hardware where requirements have simply stopped climbing. PS5 and Xbox whatever shipped in 2020 with the capabilities of a mid-range PC at the time, and NVIDIA's 30 series immediately blew that out of the water so now you're able to play any game at high settings for at least 4 more years with a mid range PC. Smartphones passed the compute and memory threshold to do all reasonable multitasking with all day battery life several years ago. Macbooks had a lot of self inflicted issues with the touch bar, keyboard, and thermal throttling intel chips which were solved with the M1 1st generation. We're at the point where the only reason to spend on extra hardware is for professional and enthusiast applications, since consumers can get a mid range product from 1-2 generations ago for half the price and see little to no downside.

[@chrish6659]

I bought 20 for my graphic designers and will buy 25 or so in 2024. M3 is the best kept secret ever. Absolutely rocket ship - love that the masses don’t want them. More for me!

[@Destroyer38866]

I prefer my PC’s to A: run games, and B: Not blast their fans like they are running Doom when its on the homepage. C: A OS that supports more then 1% of games and apps. All 3 of these requirement are the fails horribly…

[@Raiya_ru17]

Tbh macbook is really a quality product. I never had major lag or slow down issue considering I use a lot of applications for work. I finally bought my macbook air 2020 intel because I was so frustrated with my Lenovo laptops that barely last me a year or two. My macbook is already 3 years old with almost 22 months being used as work laptop. The battery life just declined but I can still bring it outside for work without the need to worry about charging. You need to pay a hefty price for this but after having mine for so long, no wonder a lot of businesses that we support are also using this laptop for work because it’s really built to last and for work.

[@jtropp]

Or that their prior products were so good that there is no need to buy another. I’ve been using the same MacBook since 2018. Still works great. If I buy another it will be for fun, not need

[@Sodainspace]

The way Apple structures the pricing on MacBooks is beyond ridiculous, here in australia for extra 8GB ram and 512GB you’re looking at extra $1000, these should not cost more than $50 each. Unless youre buying the most baseline it’s just ridiculous to buy a MacBook or bother to upgrade

[@US-uk4ml]

Consumers aren't running out and buying new MacBooks every year. Apple makes a product that simply doesn't need replaced on a regular cadence due to its quality. I'm still heavily using my 2015 MacBook Pro that got me through undergrad and grad school, now I'm using it for both of my side businesses as well as for personal use. It still runs perfect and hasn't had any issues at all. I may replace it here soon simply for a WANT to upgrade to the M2, but it's not a NEED. That's almost a decade of use from 1 machine.

[@biblereadingmum1239]

Poor cooling, lack of upgradability, lack of repairability, the average person knowing more about computers so their marketing doesn’t work anymore etc

[@seanmma]

Maybe if they weren’t like 2 grand for a LAPTOP, I wouldn’t mind. I can’t deny that they’re quality products, that’s just a shit ton of money for a lot of people

[@DayvidDavis]

The problem with J.Lo’s new song is that it sounds like a reject from “A.K.A”. She needs to link back up with Rodney Jerkins and Corey Rooney. They were able to give her mass appeal with a touch of the Bronx.

[@alviahmed7388]

TLDW: Apple did too good a job with thier first M series chip

[@philbeckr]

The lack of innovation doesn’t fit with the rise of the pricing

[@johnmostlikely]

if they bring back the 12inch macbook but with a better keyboard, touch ID, and most importantly, apple silicon and have it at a decent price, like maybe a $1000, i believe they’d sell boatloads