Why Martha Wayne's Joker Broke My Heart

[@IsaiahWayne2104]

Imagine if Bruce's Batman met Martha's Joker.

[@TheAntiBigwsly]

She’d kill herself just like how she killed herself after tom told her bruce would be batman

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@TheAntiBigwsly Though if she learned of the Death of the Family Joker she would likely try to kill him before he could harm her son and grandson before going out herself. Though that Joker is far more ruthlessly deceptive and maliciously cruel then her especially in how he critically thinks to outwit her.

[@stephenbang2749]

One word to quote Steven HE emotional damage!!!!!!!!

[@TheAntiBigwsly]

@@thorshammer7883 I mean the instant that she figured out that Bruce becomes batman, she went mad and killed herself. The same would happen if she saw Bruce as Batman

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@TheAntiBigwsly I'm talking about if she knew that Bruce has his own Joker as a adversary, what he was like, and how he was tormenting him.

[@deandredukes95]

If Bruce saw this version of his parents as Batman and Joker, he would be damaged beyond repair

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

How would you even recover from that?

[@TamaraLobel2000]

To see your alternative family fall apart all because that version of you died.

[@philipmagpantay1590]

He actually meets the Thomas Wayne version of batman in city of bane I think

[@theunknown479]

Imagine the version where your parents are finally alive is where you also die, and EVEN then they're also broken like you because of it That would cause some hella breakdown

[@trevor8726]

He meets thomas who kills alfred and he knows about martha

[@Jesse_Field_00]

The Wayne family doesn't get to be happy, no matter what happens.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Which is why we need a spin-off where Batman uses time travel to not only save his parents, but share his knowledge of future events, leading to them working together to create the Bat League in the new timeline, which is a non-lethal version of the League of Shadows run by a still surviving Wayne family. Not everything in the Batverse has to be grimdark. ;)

[@Samuel152]

​@@theguybehindyou4762 I had a DC alternate universe idea where only Thomas had died and Martha was paralyzed from Joe Chill. Bruce would still become Batman to avenge his parents, but this time around he still has his mother who can't walk again.

[@jacobhall4055]

@@theguybehindyou4762they did that I don’t know the name but Bruce in that world still became Batman inspired by the Batman that saved his parents as a kid

[@alexisislas-gonzalez5991]

@@theguybehindyou4762booster gold did go back and saved Bruce’s parents but it messed up things beyond repair that he had to undo it

[@theguybehindyou4762]

@@alexisislas-gonzalez5991 DC (and Marvel) won't let their stories progress, so everything gets undone for one reason or another. A spinoff would at least give us a separate timeline where things work out well.

[@TheEntertainmentKnight]

If Bruce met Martha's Joker he would fall on his knees and cry like a baby

[@elitehenrylegio]

I couldn't blame him

[@FarBeyondStrange]

​. Imagine her seeing her dead son alive and dressed like her husband.

[@dokuganryu1565]

@@FarBeyondStrange She'd throw herself off a dwell again.

[@maximumforce8275]

It would break the bat.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

Bruce's family line is too corrupt to understand its own actions. This is a genuine curse to rich families inflicted from the poor who were, let's be honest, SLAVES!

[@Xrfreedom13]

I share your sorrow for this woman. She's not like the other joker, she's different. She's not killing because she finds it funny, she's killing because she's grieving over the lost of the child she loved so dear and died in her arms. I'm guessing that in her mind, she's thinking that the world took something previous from her, so she's gonna strike back at the world.

[@rafskolnikov]

I mean... How is that different from the original joker? If we go with the mainline version of him, he also fell off the deep end after one bad day. While we may not know exactly what happened, he remembers it as being as traumatic as losing his pregnant wife. And it's not like he's just being silly and happy killing people. Isn't showing that life is just a cruel joke that makes no sense a way of striking back at a world that took everything you had?

[@Greenkitten45]

They are made different, but at the end of the day they're largely the same product with different packaging.

[@trickthemisfit3256]

I think the difference is the backstory. In Flashpoint, we know how Martha became the Clown Queen? Princess? of Crime, her breaking point is her son died. The Joker's breaking point is when first come face-to-face with Batman in the chemical factory, fell into a vat of chemical, got flushed and came out changed. Way back then, there's little backstory of the Joker and often times, whenever psychologist/therapist/doctors tries to psychoanalyze him, he goes "Oh pick one, my past is a multiple choices". I think only these recent comics the DC decided to give him a backstory... cause the only concrete backstory for the Joker is his first meeting with the Batman in the chemical factory.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Basically, her motivations are more similar to Mr. Freeze.

[@rafskolnikov]

@@trickthemisfit3256 yeah, that's a fair point! I don't actually want DC to give the joker a definite backstory, but that's also bc I don't think joker could continue existing if he (and us) knew what that was. I think fundamentally it's not the backstory itself that separates them, but the fact that Martha remembers it and Joker doesn't (and doesn't want to). And knowing her trauma makes her more sympathetic to us, of course, but my point is that that doesn't make her breaking and actions more justified than Joker's - our perception's different, but that doesn't make it true in-universe

[@leone_solaris]

What's sad is how dc ruined flashpoint batman and made him just a piece of crap who tried to mentally break his son to stop him from being batman.

[@cosmicghost811]

And to add insult to injury, titled the saga:"city of BANE" (despite the character barley being in the story).

[@jondrake1977]

you can blame loser Tom King for that. He is a pathetic writer and human being.

[@deviantartfemcel]

Tbf Flash Point and City of Bane was written by two different people and I heard the Flash Point writer wasn’t happy with what they did to his Thomas Wayne and pretty in a interview and they gave him more control over Flash Point Beyond 0 to try to fix Thomas’s character. So at least you know that the writer isn’t happy with what they did to his work either and he wasn’t responsible with what they did to his character and he wasn’t the one that ruined it but he did get to fix it.

[@vwin9112]

But then it got semi fixed with justice infinite(guardians of the multiverse dc) and flashpoint beyond

[@Rexer083]

I don't know, I kinda liked that idea.

[@roninkahn4033]

If she saw how bruce becomes a better and happier batman with a friends and children while protecting gotham although would break her heart at first but probably realize that hes not his father and be proud that hes a symbol of hope as well as vengeance unlike thomas

[@emieldegraauw5205]

If she dont doe the klif jump at seing him in the bat suite than jes

[@nightwolfnordberg9476]

I dont see batman as a symbol of hope. But a symbol of fear and vengeance that he crafted for the evil in gotham.

[@boushido1]

I think we sometimes forget that Martha is part of the Amadeus Arkham family tree, madness runs in there blood.

[@cristianadpr8779]

Not always, it depends on the universe.

[@Wolfbo1144]

Their

[@OvertheHedge06]

Honestly, I love how they added that to her character because it goes to show that Bruce is truly honest to god insane to do all of the shit he does.

[@josecuestas7246]

Batman: "Saves Martha." Joker: "WHY DID YOU SAID MY NAME?"

[@isaacgalicia8164]

Batman: Mom is that you. 😨😨😨

[@josecuestas7246]

Joker: "I am your mother." Batman: "No. NO. Thats not true. THATS ITS IMPOSSIBLE." Joker: "Search your bat-feelings, you know thats its true." Batman: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO."

[@isaacgalicia8164]

@@josecuestas7246 Owlman: Nothing care about me.

[@josecuestas7246]

Joker: "And i am your mother as well." Owlman: 😢😢😢

[@callmejacob3234]

Oh no please don't remind me of the Martha scene. That was a dark time to be a DC fan.

[@xiu16]

I think the reason she killed herself is because she believes Bruce becomes a killer because Thomas as Batman kills and knowing her son becomes batman she believes her son will grow up to be a killer like Thomas and not as the hero we know so she ends her own life.

[@Kingsaxxy3872]

Damn, if only she knew, imagine how she’d react to having a grandson.

[@basimali619]

The most interesting part about Martha cutting her face to make a smile… heath ledger joker’s second origin story is LITERALLY this but with the genders reversed, and with the omission of why he was sad in the first place.

[@Enter_Zoneless]

Yeah, someone who was exposed to heath first, I always thought the cuts were unique to his version, come to find its inspired by the gender swap version, neat!

[@kristenhlady4079]

​@Enter_Zoneless heath Inspired them not the other way around because he was always dead when it came out

[@MarcosAlexandre-no3qx]

i think is that here we can see that martha joker is really mentally unstable. She lost her son and everything is a moment of insanity for her, throwing her in arkham or any other insane treatment makes some sense, joker several times show that what he does doesn't have a motive, doesn't have a background, he just do it because batman exist and this is what makes readers want him dead.

[@K1NG0FW0LV35]

I just want Bruce's Batman to hug her....

[@dredgengam4610]

Damn... Me too honestly

[@Howlabunga]

The one time Batjokes is canon, and it's just tragic

[@fanofmediastuff269]

Most tragic thing I got out of this, there will always be a Batman, and there will always be a Joker. Even when the Dark Knight dies on that night

[@Zero0Zero0000]

And let this be a lesson, fellas Never tell a woman she should smile more

[@darknessmohag6181]

I mean.. the reason batman don't kill the joker does make sense, he is afraid that if he takes that first life.. that he will lose himself and kill every villain. so I do understand that. What I can't understand is why the court or the law execute the joker already.. like sure in the beginning they may have thought they can cure him.. but at this point the joker should be executed by the law and sent to death. Batman wouldn't save the joker if he got sentence to death by the law. So again.. not blaming batman for not killing the joker, I am blaming the world batman lives in the city and the law of the city.

[@dr.dreamer8914]

One comic showed how he saved Mr. Freeze I believe as Bruce Wayne on Jury Duty, or he was reasoning with the Jury.

[@GetWellSoonR.E.M.]

There is a due process to these things. But Joker always manages to escape. If they pushed for the death penalty for him, he’d get out of jail while he waits to be executed. He’s also got connections too to get himself out of anything. He’s even put plans into action while incarcerated. He’s even set up for chaos to occur after his death. It’s not the most realistic, but I mean seriously, it’s superhero cartoons lol. Joker always has a trick up his sleeve.

[@Mike-vz6xg]

When Martha started laughing with the blood smile 😨

[@Cyborg_Ninja_13]

Yeah. Chilling

[@zanderharvey357]

At least Marth has an adorable pouty face

[@serenitygarcia869]

How on earth did i catch a video that barley was uploaded on my recommendation. Like seriously this is a first for me

[@TheNiggler17]

Recently I’ve been getting a lot more of this, and recommendations of smaller channels

[@thorshammer7883]

It appears like there is a unseen force or a spirit of somesort with each individual DC reality that preys upon individuals who are very mentally compromised and unstable enough state in the right behavior and attitude traits and seeks to influence, afflect, and/or possess them to become a maddening Joker across the DC multiverse. Martha in this timeline's case would become it's host that it found desirable enough to be the Joker at the time whenever it targeted her in the Flashpoint paradox universe. For the original Joker it seemed like it took longer for it to find a suitable host to inhabit and afflict with it's criteria and wicked intentions of madness since that man became the Joker when Bruce was a young adult at the very least. It seems like who ever is the Joker can still have their own seperate personality traits, motivations, perspectives, and even dare I say valuing of a emotional attachment for something else then the other would. If Martha Joker still being horrified that Bruce would become the Batman means it so. I would imagine she would be extra horrified even in her insane state if she learned that her son would be force to fight a Joker even worse and far more creatively cruel then she is. The nightmarish terror the Death of the Family Joker would inflict upon not just her son but even her grandson Damian a kid who grew up in a organized cult of mountain dwelling terrorist ninjas and could take care of himself and yet would still be outwitted and scared by that Joker who cut his own face off would give her extreme horrific anxiety. Let's not forget about Emperor Joker who literally broke Bruce mentally. That would break a loving mother's heart to learn and see her son experience such a terrible suffering and him despite his strong will finally crack from it. Especially at the hands of a wicked person who has taken up the mantle you held and committed great evil with.

[@masido443]

If I'm not mistaken there's a modern story about Batman's enemy who is intentionally creating Joker's multiversally since he himself was supposed to be one but it didn't happen. .

[@chezumi7]

Aside from flashpoint joker, as for being sympathetic enough, I think the only other joker I can care about enough is the white knight one as he's just simply having an intense and extreme DID battle with himself 🤔

[@vegento_editx]

I believe the Adaptation of Joker from the 2019 film made me feel emotionally connected. This Joker we see a broken man who suffers from schizophrenia and is poor living with his elderly sick dying mother. In this universe or in Joker's head because at the end it is revealed that this is Joker retelling a story but because he suffers from schizophrenia, he is not a reliable narrator, it is believed that Joker's mother was one of Thomas Wayne's maids and that he cheated on his wife with her, and she ended up pregnant with who we see playing the Joker in this film, however in order to cover it up, he fires her leaving her to be poor and raise Joker on her own, Joker grows up and learns of this and attempts to confront Thomas Wayne and tries to talk to Bruce, but to no avail. Joker also worked at some locker room and would get picked on all the time, and beat up all the time. One time he had to hold up a sign for the shop he worked at, and some thugs took the sign and ran and when he caught up with them he got jumped. Of course throughout the entire film Joker is treated horribly, and his mother is dying. Joker also attended therapy consistently and had medicine he had to take. However eventually that therapy office got shut down, even tho he felt like it didn't help anyway. After this the downward spiral went even further. Joker became Joker, in one scene he kills his mother while she's in the hospital suffocating her, and then he win's a spot on the murray show, a show him and his mom used to enjoy watching it's like a midnight show similar to like trevor Noah or saturday night live or the tonight show. One day as he's getting ready, 2 of his co-workers come over to the apartment, and I don't remember what words were traded but he kills one of them a super tall guy, the other was a midget, and he let him go. Fast forward to the show everything is going normal however he peeped that Murray just wanted to invite him on the show just to make fun of him(which if u see the film I agree he only wanted to make fun of him) and then he ends up Killing Murray on live TV. Back track a little bit, 3 wallstreet boys were attacking Joker and he had a gun on him and killed them this was the talk of the town and Murray mentioned it on the show and Joker admitted to killing them. After the Murray show incident Joker Starts a riot, with a bunch of goons wearing Joker masks. now Joker from the murray show got arrested, and then the police car he got into got into an accident, and some of the goons pulled him from the car, and he was the center of the riot, before I get to the end here, I believe this moment spoke to me because through out the entire film Joker has an issue with being/feeling invisible society has never cared about him or his needs or his mother's needs, and people have ignored his cries and his problems when he did ask for help, and now he feels somewhat happy because now people finally see him, deep down I believe he had wished he didn't need to become a insane person to be noticed. So during the Riot we see Thomas Wayne, Bruce, and Martha, and this is where things get interesting because the same events we all know, take place in this movie, Martha and Thomas are killed by one of the Joker Goons from the riot. Now this storyline makes things interesting because this means that the Joker is Bruce wayne's half brother. But in this case Joker would be his much older half brother because at this point Joker is a fully grown adult looks between the ages 20 and 30, meanwhile Bruce was about 10 years old possibly slightly older. I believe this film truly showed that 2 people can both have tragic events happen to them but regardless you can always try to go down the right path. But I felt for this Joker because a lot of the same feelings he exhibited during this film I have felt as well and understand that the things that happened to him are very realistic and happens everyday to people.

[@Polskie573]

Damn, that's deep

[@matthewrosenthal753]

Martha Wayne becoming the Joker is tragic but as this video clearly shows, This is not written by the same people that wrote Flashpoint because She is clearly not catatonic after Bruce dies. She uses his blood to paint the smile on her face and is clearly laughing maniacally. And Thomas Wayne was not telling a story. He was telling her exactly what Barry Allen told him.

[@Gsmooth84]

I already knew about Martha Wayne (Joker). Seeing that thumbnail broke me all over again.

[@alexvaillustrations8689]

it really proves what joker says. anyone of use are just one bad day away from becoming as crazy as he is

[@Gamer88334]

Some people might be, but there are people who won’t break from just 1 bad day.

[@masido443]

Hey, if you're still taking suggestions, then how about this one: Harley Quinn's role in Injustice and did she redeemed herself or not. I personally think that yes, she did but I've also seen tons of people claiming otherwise.

[@reesestahl9493]

An example of another joker that you can emotionally connect to is the joker from telltales Batman series. It was the first time I actually cried for the joker because I felt bad for him.

[@Chosenone711]

The wounds on Martha's face in the comic is called a Glasgow Smile.

[@dazzlethestar151]

The story of the Wayne family in the Flashpoint timeline is so tragic, really breaks your heart seeing the pain Thomas and Martha go through.

[@manbeast222none4]

Man i wish we would have seen Martha's Joker in Flashpoint...it would have been soooo good, in a already great movie!

[@Werewolf914]

This was my favorite part of Flashpoint, when they announced a movie would be based off of Flashpoint years ago I was so excited to see Jeffery Dean Morgan as Thomas Batman and Lauren Cohan as Martha Joker, but of course as the years went by we ended up with what we got sadly

[@Justanidea5976]

Great video! I would also love to see more of her and how Bruce would react to seeing her. Another Joker that would be nice to see you breakdown would be Telltale's Joker. He's one of my favorite Joker's because of how naive but also scary smart he is. So, yeah, that would be great.

[@therandombats2579]

So, a few days ago, I posted a fan fiction comic on DeviantArt, teasing the Martha Wayne Joker as the main villain, and after learning a bit more about this Joker, knowing how tragic her life is in the Flashpoint Paradox storyline, I may have to do a bit of rewriting for my comic series.

[@Maria_1600]

What’s the name of the comic

[@mrkaji8913]

0:56 imagine a 2h cut

[@peachdoesart7175]

what i like about this too is that martha wayne actually gets to be a character outside of a pearl clutching mannequin that exists to be knocked over while her husband is a morally grey doctor working with the mob on and off and martha gets to BE something for once

[@karenramey2408]

I can't be the only one that wishes this alternate universe of Batman had it's own comic series, I would love to see more of this time line where Bruce Wayne died and his parents went down different paths in life after loosing their young son.

[@DawnWildFire]

It's interesting that martha joker paralyzed Selina Kyle like the original joke paralyzed Barbara

[@christophercarter2012]

I just realized the waynes are the Kennedy's of dc

[@sparkageddon3186]

I love how they redeem both Thomas and Martha Wayne in Flashpoint Beyond. Both of them especially Thomas didn't want the timeline to exist but thanks to Dexter the new Robin, it still does and the two made peace with other and they're preparing for the kyroptian invasion. I'm still waitin for the final sequel

[@dustedjotaro3078]

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[@volktol4432]

The Jack Napier version of Joker in I believe it was Batman White Knight or something similar to that, very good storyline for Joker, Bruce and Harley

[@mrkaji8913]

10:36 that’s exactly what happened

[@9791mij]

Also the reason why vigilantes shouldn’t kill can be found in the Justice League Gods and Monsters. It because forensics aka crime investigations can manipulated if a criminal knows what to do

[@vincentlucario5450]

Hero: witnesses a villain kill and torture someone with their own eyes. Also hero: must’ve been the wind

[@vincentlucario5450]

Hero: witnesses a villain kill and torture someone with their own eyes. Also hero: must’ve been the wind

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

it's a gray area I think vigilantes killing is fine as long as there's more heroes that don't.

[@SuperBatSpider]

Imagine a world where losing her husband made her Joker, Bruce saying he misses dad and her smile, and Bruce becomes Batman

[@shanejayell]

She, interestingle, comes back in the new Flashpoint Batman mini series....

[@Polskie573]

"after all, all it takes is one bad day" - Joker, the killing joke

[@taliawtf6944]

What any decide parent wants for their child is to have a better life than they had and I think knowing that Bruce would end up in such a way that he suffers just like his father with no hope of a joyful or peaceful life broke her more than losing Bruce. It's one thing to mourn the lost potential but it's something entirely different to see that potential ruined never to be used. In a sense it is worse than her son dying, he would live a dark, lonely life with no reward or happiness at any point in it. Which is the tragedy of Batman as a hero, he has no super powers so every wound or injury he just has to suffer with nor can he save everyone no matter how much he wants to along with the fact he will never be thanked or have time for a real family. The man for pathological reasons ends up sacrificing his life and happiness to try to stop two bullets he can never catch over and over until his body is too broken and old to do it anymore. That's why I think how Bruce ended up in Batman Beyond fits perfectly what being Batman cost him, alone in his home with everyone bitter over his need to be Batman just a physical shadow of what he once was still aching to stop those two bullets causing him pain that's as sharp in that moment as it was when he was 8 years old.

[@UrSammich]

While I Martha's joker is heartbreaking, I wonder now if Thomas was the Joker how different it would be. A Joker who kills everyone with no fucking care in the world. So mad to the point no only gets revenge on his son's killer, but kills anyone who tries and stops him only for Martha having to be the saving grace, taking on the mantle of Batwomen.

[@venom_spy_chaosgod]

Guess, there a third Joker I fell sorrow for. After the one from 2019 and the one from Killing Joke. To me, personally, The Killing Joke Joker has kind of......how to put that line...his story strikes some strings of my soul. Duo to......let`s say, some hard time and painful difficulties, I can imagine the misery he lived, while he was sane and the pain he gone through to lost it all, I can project it on myself, on my life.

[@McGooberBalls]

Imagine if Aslume's Man met Martha's Joker. or even better, Imagine if Martha's Joker met The Jonkler along with Officer Balls

[@Voodoomaria]

First of all, YES, an Original take on the Joker, and the MOST TRAGIC given her origin. Ignoring all the criticisms over gender swapping characters, THIS is a female Joker that makes 1000% sense. Now i AM going to disagree on one point here. We're not seeing a lot of the Martha Wayne Joker, this is VERY true, BUT it is in NO WAY lessening her impact. While much of the conflict between her and her Husband [Batman] is off screen or implied, it IS none the less very effectively felt. There's an old show business saying; "Always leave them [ the audience] wanting MORE". The Flashpoint take on Martha Wayne is doing that and doing it so successfully that a character who had only a couple of actual panels is PIVOTAL to the character and development of a main character. In the Novel "Dracula" The eponymous Vampire has very little "Screen time" yet his presence LOOMS over everything, his actions off screen or implied, and yet he utterly dominates the narrative. His presence is SO powerful it launched the character into legend status. Martha Wayne's Joker is in this same mould. She is DOMINATING the whole batman arc without appearing in more than a few token frames, yet her influence remains omnipresent. The LESS we see of her the MORE we want, and the MORE POWERFUL she becomes as a character. This kind of writing is what sets the medium of comic book writing head and shoulders above anything Hollywood could put out.

[@BabyGirlAnnHiedeman]

The Joker, The Riddler, and many others can never be truly killed, due to there mental illnesses or disfigurements can overtake anybody at any time even in real life, could this occur to someone.

[@Myuutantobasuta]

I would watch a movie of this.

[@rodcent9]

The only problem I have is they should be really old at this point. Like 70 or 80, they should be using the Lazarus pits

[@DaniG._.German]

When Thomas decided to work with Bane to break the Bat. I wonder why Thomas didn't tell Bruce about Martha's suicide.

[@Doxthefox]

The normal joker is good cuz even if you can’t relate to him from what he does but you can see the reason why he keeps doing those crazy stuff is because he wants to get Batman’s attention and to try getting him to his limits and even break his rule of not killing, and the joker also works for Batman is cuz he is almost the entire the opposite of Batman

[@ManserXD-0]

So how do you get a joker to live in a universe where batman kills, a person he could never kill

[@TodaysAnalysis]

I know it's a stupid question, but would she still love Bruce Wayne knowing that he's Batman in the main timeline?

[@mewletter]

She will be terrified by him, just like when she recognised that Bruce will end up like his father as Batman. 🙁

[@TodaysAnalysis]

But how would she react to being a grandma?

[@futurewario9591]

My favorite Joker of all time is Joaquin Phoenix Joker who is a tragic & sympathetic character.

[@karenramey2408]

I also think this version of Martha Wayne is heartbreaking, especially with how this insanity of hers comes from the heart break from her son's death.

[@TenlaCasual-sl8iv]

What does the joker look like in this world? The man from the non flashpoint joker? She becomes a/the joker alot sooner than the other if we look at the timeline of things. Does the "regular" joker ever show up?

[@JJnEverything]

His job was already taken, maybe he started working for the DMV

[@gronklben]

THE Jokers what is emotional connecting to me is John doe, from the Batman : The Enemy Within Telltale Sries, a Joker who is attached to Batman/Bruce Wayne as a twistet kind of friend, or Frenemy based on whatever choices you make within the game. Its Funny at times, Sad and realy realy tragic in a way.

[@doct1400]

When DID the Batman doesn't kill rule actually start?

[@9791mij]

Bruce has own batch of psychological problems Martha Joker mirror what could happen to Bruce if was to kill. Really someone who with authority should make that decision

[@Mysmarttelevision1989]

Now we need a sequel video about Flashpoint Beyond.

[@BrettKolb-o9n]

I think it could be an interesting story if this Joker was somehow able to be moved to the main DC universe, and when she figures out what Batman is, since she knows her son turns out to be Batman, and all the allies/enemies he has. And her crazed mission is to kill all the main enemies of Batman ending with this universe’s Joker, while making sure to never hurt any of the bat family, don’t cause her son more pain, leaving all of them perfectly fine and punish those who gave his son pain, since she couldn’t prevent it. Would be more interesting of an interesting story if it ends up with Bruce’s perspective, on how an alternate universes Joker, ends up killing only villains of his who have wronged him (knowing Comic books she will probably only be able to kill small villains that no one cares for), and when he finds this new Joker, he is shocked to find out it is his own mother. Would be an interested talk between the two, considering against killing Bruce is and how against this life Martha is.

[@BrettKolb-o9n]

Would love to see how a face down betweeen this Joker and main Joker would go down, especially if Batman is trying to stop them both from killing each other, but Martha is constantly trying to convince Bruce to just end this menace, and trying to use her motherly charm to just let this menace die

[@tysondennis1016]

I need to see Prime Batman vs. Marty Joker.

[@LivedWater]

Theres a great joker that is a man struggling to pay his bills, but everything else goes well for him. He does a gig at standup comedy but around that time his pregnant wife dies in a car accident or smth like that

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Who's the most fit actress to portray Flashpoint Joker and why?

[@Theunloved1738]

When you don’t go to couples therapy

[@ermacmacro7136]

The sad part is that Martha would never know that Bruce has a support system as Batman

[@Gerald3merald]

I feel bad for both Thomas Wayne Batman and Martha Wayne Joker because they are always fighting each other and their relationship has been completely broken over the death of their son which has Martha Wayne forever disfigured herself and Thomas Wayne has turned to alcoholism to cope over not only the loss of his son, but the loss of his wife's sanity and their loving relationship.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Me gusta que en the Batman martha fue encerrada en Arkham

[@BlackMoogle]

Did Martha fall in the same spot where Joker found the Dionesium?

[@thefrogthatknows5251]

If Joker found out that in another timeline the Joker and Batman were married, he would never let it go.

[@shrekisheck2856]

john doe joker from telltale always hurts me, the vigilante route hurts:(

[@thebessienessie836]

Ur videos are amazing

[@studentNEET319]

Thomas clapped clussy

[@BlackMoogle]

All it takes is one bad day.

[@IkamiyaBeloved]

Martha Wayne Joker is so interesting

[@whatifentertainment9547]

Is this golden WhatIf’s i think it is cause of the voice

[@Omnitrickster0207]

Recently I’ve been curious, where’s Jack Napier, he has to of existed in some way right?

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

Funny enough Jack Napier has now become a common alias, but I'm not sure if there ever was a separate Jack Napier

[@Omnitrickster0207]

@@dutchvanderlinde2002 If Martha become The Joker, where’s Jack Napier? Is he just a failed comedian in The Flashpoint world?

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

@@Omnitrickster0207 Honestly it depends on how different things are, but in all likelihood he's dead.

[@JJnEverything]

He started working for the DMV

[@Blackrunnerrising]

Soooo, what happened to the original joker in this timeline?

[@Gazz-BaaZnitch]

@video uploader, the point and wonder if Martha Wayne’s joker , the lack of panels and movie scenes, it’s call imagination, that is the best thing about Martha Wayne , it’s basically if we get what you want it’s a health ledger esk joker due to the non chemical causing smile, no matter what you say is bull and been done, I think you just wanto see her cause they haven’t done it, but as I said they did, it’s about what we do t see, it’s about making her scarier and all the post flashpoint writing of her is not good, the flashpoint movie did it great and so does the book

[@anthonythomas305]

Poor Bruce's Mom 😥😥😥

[@Mr.sosmog]

It’s kinda crazy how much wb hates fair use

[@josedarocha2949]

These interations were gold, better if they met alfred, dick and the whole family in a wholesome interaction ^^

[@JJnEverything]

So what happens to the actual joker. I mean he still exists in this timeline it’s not like he dies too

[@mathilda638]

Martha Wayne she is a best villain as the Joker....

[@meramz9903]

So saying that the Joker and Batman are married is Canon. First it was the LEGO movie and now this, the love of those two becomes more real every day. LOL

[@gyattfr]

What earth is the Flash Point Paradox

[@derpcat7195]

Dark night metal should had shown her in the comic

[@maxwhite8616]

Do jester owlmans nemesis

[@TheWizardsTales]

Why does Thomas Wayne look like Solomon Grundy in this?

[@Gsmooth84]

Imagine if Martha Wayne (Joker) met The Batman Who Laughs?

[@alexsolomon8127]

and then batman dumped his alt-universe dad and his insane alt-mom in a snowglobe and they lived as happily ever after as one can in a warped grimdark version of thier son's world. *facepalm*

[@JoJoDude1997]

Infinite crisis i think has a very unique Joker in that is the only good one Theres a couple of "good" jokers but there always is good BUT and then truns out they werent as good The Jokester whit his green suit and purple hair is a good person , insane but good at hard that batels an evill Bataman or rater The Owlman Is the total miror universe were things are the oposite yet shows that not all mentaly ill persons are killer psucophats Or thats what i got from that charcter, idk being loong since i reed it

[@madmcgrin9670]

Wait. Your mother's name is also Martha? My brother.😂

[@lukeg6017]

It’s funny because this story is proof that even the joker can change and have love in his heart but it’s filled with a Batman who kills and doesn’t have hope