Why Microsoft Keeps Beating Apple And Google With Windows

Microsoft Windows debuted in 1985 and for the past two decades it has been the dominant PC operating system worldwide. In 2020, Windows had almost 83% market share by unit shipments, while Google Chrome OS had 10% and Apple’s Mac OS had 7%, according to Gartner.
From solitaire to its iconic start button and start up sounds, productivity apps, gaming and corporate computing, Windows changed the way we use computers. The legendary Windows 95 helped propel the company to dominate the market in personal computing. Microsoft has introduced many versions of Windows since its inception with some more memorable than others.
It’s competed with IBM, Apple, and Google for market space. According to Microsoft, there are more than 1.3 billion devices running Windows 10 worldwide on a monthly basis.
Today, Windows only makes up 14% of Microsoft’s business but remains a critical part of it. The company just announced the latest version Windows 11.
CNBC spoke with former Microsoft employees including Terry Myerson, Michael Cherry, Brad Silverberg and Tandy Trower to get a look back at over three decades of Windows.
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Why Microsoft keeps beating Apple and Google with Windows
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[@thevexengineer]

who remembers that just a decade ago, putting "computer skills" on your resume would make you stand out as a potentially better job candidate lol

[@christophermoreno3668]

It still does

[@akhilp3559]

lmao theres absolutely no way in 2010 ppl were applying jobs stating "computer skills".... atleast not for any business thats not super small scale like a family business or something

[@christophermoreno3668]

@@akhilp3559 what are you getting at? Putting computer skills didn't help you stand out? There are so many people nowadays that lack basic computer skills and work extremely slow compared to others with computer skills. And it was even moreso significant/important a decade ago

[@akhilp3559]

@@christophermoreno3668 I should clarify I guess - most ppl have been putting more specific things like "ms office" rather than computer skills for as long as I can think of... That sorta generally conveys the overall competency of having computer skills rather than saying "computer skills" directly

[@MrAmericaninUK]

@@akhilp3559 also being able to code is important

[@yosfikalqadri1917]

OS Market share be like: 83% Windows 10% Chrome OS 7% Mac OS Me watching from my Linux machine: You know, I'm something of a ghost myself

[@duckpotat9818]

It's shipment shares, Linux doesn't ship with hardware except ocassionally Ubuntu

[@dirg3music]

Ironically all ChromeOS is, is a proprietary reworking of Gentoo linux. Same with Android.

[@miket4234]

seeing all this took me back in time for a moment. kinda missed those days, everything seemed a little simpler

[@marko2298]

I use arch btw

[@farisfathoni]

we are linux master race

[@jmtrad1906]

If Microsoft didn't missed the timing on smartphones and internet search it would be too powerful.

[@metinhesenov]

Agreed. They are actually doing not that bad on Bing but can't say same for Windows phones. I really miss them

[@mountainfox8455]

Microst sucks at innovation , it can never create software that could compete with what Google or Apple create, for example the Chrome browser, compare that to IE or the Edge browsers.

[@metinhesenov]

@@mountainfox8455 Bruh cry hater Edge is way better than chrome only the ones who used it. And apple isn't a software company both Samsung and Apple partnered with Microsoft so many times because they couldn't create good alternatives as Microsoft made so they switched to Microsoft alternatives for example Bing and Office apps.

[@metinhesenov]

@@mountainfox8455 and that is why It is one of the world's reachest companies

[@clausnielsen9700]

Everyone think Microsoft is ahead of all. But that is not true. First they didnt think the internet would have a future, 6 month later they changed everything and went the way everybody have told them they should go. But they could advetice a lot for bad products but not make any smart new things themselves. If IT community was as clever as any line you can go on at an university it could have been fine. But the IQ in this bussiones is the lowest overall IQ,

[@acbgames1766]

Never knew Solitaire was there to practice drag & drop.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Minesweeper was to train you to close popups in your browser.

[@deadlypyre]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 lmao

[@nikhilmwarrier7948]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 facts.

[@wdbland0820]

That stood out to me too.

[@sambotros1918]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gn3XhpKfft6kqNk

[@michaelv3340]

I remember when Windows 95 debuted, they interviewed an older couple who bought a copy of the program, despite the fact they didn't even own a computer of any kind.

[@DR128BIT]

They returned to Circuit City and bought a PC afterwards.

[@owenbevans6062]

I remember the day I installed Win 95! The day I dialed up AOL, the day I got my cable modem! Great days all of them!

[@JCcreates927]

I remember Windows 95 coming out. My hubby and I were invited to a big showing of it, it was a big deal back then.

[@martiddy]

Maybe they were going to buy the computer the same day.

[@omegalpha777]

I was a teenager in the 90s, Windows 95 was everywhere. Very exciting and nostalgic time, including also Windows 98. Now every new Windows version doesn't have that magic like before.

[@JPPorcaro]

SPOILER: this video NEVER ANSWERS "Why Microsoft keeps beating Apple and Google with Windows"

[@nevim007]

I will give you the answer: Because they got (almost) a monopoly in the sphere of personal computers. Back then in the 80's, there were several competing PC platforms - Apple, Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, Sharp... (Who remembers them nowadays anyway.) All were very protective about their know-how and computer architecture. Microsoft happened to land a deal with IBM, although MS-DOS was lagging behind some other operating systems at that point of time. However, IBM surprisingly (unlike the competitors) decided to release their IBM PC architecture and allow cheap clones to be built. Of course, that was a major disruption to the market and the IBM PC quickly became the prevailing PC architecture on the market. They were all running on MS-DOS, of course. By an accident, Microsoft, a mediocre company with mediocre products, suddenly became a world monopoly.

[@jamesm0909]

@@nevim007 It's NBC, not surprising. Millenial/Gen Z 'jounalists' are amatuer hour losers save a few.

[@bunzeebear2973]

Because it is there. Many people I have talked to did not know there was OTHER BROWSERS such as Mozilla which were more preferable to use over the changing I.E. browser that came with Windows. The whole idea of searching for whatever you want was not a concept easily understood. M$ is loaded onto the cheaper IBM type computers so price matters at that time. So if you use the I.E. browser you get windows type pages with advertising. Apple has an expensive computer. Google is a browser you got to look for and download and install.(much extra work) I am guessing that is the answer.

[@sungiant2000]

@@jamesm0909 you're not wrong but they are better than the brainwashed gen x/boomer journalists that don't know anything about the world.

[@rahulverma8774]

@@nevim007 Are other OS good in gaming ??

[@SK-lt1so]

I love when company executives state they don't want to leave Windows, because "we would have to retrain our workers", when in reality they don't train anyone to begin with.

[@solovoypasando]

probably all their workers have a pc at home, so they already know the basics

[@nonionbeezness]

That’s because no one wants to incur the cost of jumping first to retrain them on “their job tools” to be the Linux variants (that may have to be created first ) for saving some license fee. Until the pain gets big enough no one is moving.

[@kevinbradshaw1420]

They wouldn't have to retrain anyone to use chrome os, and like 99% of all work tasks in the corporate world can be done in Chrome.

[@AhmadZul]

@@kevinbradshaw1420 They definitely need to retrain them. Even with Office Online, which have the same layout with desktop version, user still don't utilize it...

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

​@@kevinbradshaw1420 *No one knows if Chrome OS is going to last. The corporate world needs to be guaranteed that it will before upending their systems.*

[@paisastic]

It's funny how the product was named Windows instead of Gates.

[@mourgos1234]

Gates have different shape :P

[@unruler]

What a Balmer!

[@geekmeee]

@Wandering Wombat Funny how if an entrepreneur takes all your money, he’s a genius. But if immigrants take all your money, it’s illegal. Funny how that works.

[@geekmeee]

@Wandering Wombat Thanks Wombat, you learned really well how to bully your opinion... kzbin.info/www/bejne/r56vd6R_bdZ3lcU

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

Was going to be called Doors but Billy's wife said close that Door when you come out.

[@themis6905]

Let's not forget that Microsoft sends updates to both: the legal and pirated versions of Windows. I don't care if windows gets messy sometimes, but for this, they have my utmost respect.

[@themis6905]

@@goahnary True. But I can't ask my 80+ year grandparent to run linux. Same goes for a first time user.

[@goahnary]

I couldn't ask my 80 yo grandparents to do anything. I have on many occations in fact lol. But my 54yo mother runs linux. I set it up for her barely beyond what was stock on there and she used it for a long time. Ubuntu has it's own software center just like an app store. It's really easy to use now. Build an image with their normal apps which 90% of their use is going to be google chrome... then they'll be pretty happy. That's the basic idea behind chrome os.

[@goahnary]

New user interfaces are always going to be difficult to those who don't want to learn it. Children learn ubuntu very quickly. I think anyone who has a less than average attention span can learn it if you tell them it's not that hard. The fear is what keeps people from learning. That's why my grandparents can't use their MacBook. They fear their going to mess something up rather than just paying attention to what they're doing.

[@themis6905]

Yup

[@volvo09]

@@goahnary i prefer linux for my grandmothers computer because she doesn't click the fake adds and install spyware. Printers are plug n play, it's great. When i gave her windows she was always installing "driver managers", "system helpers" , "wallpaper spyware apps", "shopping helpers" that redirected web traffic to odd stores, and so on. Can't get mad at her for being confused, but on linux that crap doesn't even install, so she closes the browser and clicks her email link un the desktop again.

[@gamingtonight1526]

I had a 30-year career based on understanding basic programming (learnt on the Commodore 64/early PCs in the 80s) and MS-DOS (very complicated) in the early 90s. Technology slowly got simpler to use, so wages went down. I did I.T operations in 1992 and earned $80,000. Today, in 2021, you would earn $30-35,000 for the same job. I moved into computer gaming in the mid 90s, seeing its growth, and so kept my wages high. As gaming became more "corporate" I left and retired, at 57. Understanding technology so early allowed me to buy cheap Microsoft and IBM shares, they have stood me in good stead for my retirement. So thank you Commodore, thank-you Microsoft. You gave me such a great career and a great life!!!

[@ramirenriquez6795]

And thanks for sharing your experience and observation about how even specific tech skills can become less valuable over time.

[@asoka7752]

True. Back then frontend development a kind of difficult, but nowadays you can just use any framework or library to build a simple site within a few minutes. It's getting simpler and simpler in the future.

[@pongop]

Nice! Great points about changes and investing!

[@bbnCRLB]

As long as smart phones come with OS installed and without opportunity to install different OS, the status quo in terms of market share can never be overturned.

[@unruler]

You can install different OS if you have root, there just isn't one (apart from some barely working linux mobile).

[@sonofage]

@@unruler I would say that works for tech enthusiasts but not the casual user. Have you seen those before? they really don't even change ringtones, let alone an OS haha. I hope i get proven wrong on this in the future. Would be cool to see happen.

[@blank2707]

@@unruler For some phones you can't. For example Samsung phones have knox (a hardware fuse) which will be tripped by changing the base OS and cannot be untripped. Many apps will refuse to work after the fuse is tripped (like Netflix for example). In other cases you just can't support an OS without Google play support and Google is very heavy handed in allowing that. Many alternative android OSs are intentionally crippled due to how Googles shaped the platform APIs. For example if you use Lineage OS support for Google Pay (one of like 2 payment apps and the only one supported on Android directly) is iffy at best depending on which device you're using. This entire ecosystem is built with band aids and locked cages that takes away user freedoms. Not specifically an android problem, Apple isn't much better, but it's disheartening to say the least.

[@funeralhouse6280]

So what is the problem if a phone has google or apple service 🤔

[@somesalmon5694]

I don't use any google services on my phone and do not use the stock version of android that came with it. I also have a Linux phone and their support has definitely gotten significantly better in the past couple years but battery life still isn't there just yet although the app support has gotten a lot better thanks to gnome circle and flatpaks

[@joeblack4436]

It's difficult to convey how amazing Win95 was. It was like magic. And the best thing... Progress bars that showed you almost exactly where in a process you were. It's odd that I miss that so much.

[@persona83]

Sad we don't experience that awe level anymore simply because nothing is really revolutionary nowadays.

[@RaheelFida]

for us, Windows 98, XP and 7 was, is awesome

[@djea3589]

IT was used in industry in CAD/CAM. After W95/98 stability for such uses was always a problem as well as interface support for CAM. Cost even small companies hundreds of thousands of dollars and lead to software leasing instead of purchase. With OS changes almost Weekly by MS one could never be sure that the system would interface and work properly 100%, especially on systems that were networked VS stand alone. We kept many machines off intranet due to this, loading programs for CAM manually at the machine. The CAM SOFTWARE UPDATES meant no longer owning the software. We ran W95 as long as possible because of this. But new equipment was being sold and required upgraded windows. Interfaces without problems became more and more impossible.

[@datagrab]

*Whoa, I didn't know Chrome OS has surpassed MAC OS in terms of shipments?*

[@rohith9439]

cheap and schools.... ya know....

[@thunderingeagle]

@@rohith9439 Yup many schools are using em

[@marcuskruse1]

Affordable

[@Jeffcrocodile]

where have you lived on? Mars.

[@WPaKFamily]

Bill Gates can still gargle my sack

[@user-po8vd5gp5w]

those youtubers say like the MAC just got 80% of market share. In fact it is 8%. LOL

[@plinyelder8156]

No, in fact, it’s 63% as of yesterday. You don’t have any facts.

[@user-po8vd5gp5w]

@@plinyelder8156 do you have any fact showing 63%?

[@RickZune]

@@plinyelder8156 Lol it's 6.5%, heck if you look at just desktop market share it's just 15.5%. So yeah... keep on dreaming...

[@dingdong2103]

There's a thing called a Gauss curve. Only a small percentage of people are intellectual so the majority keep using Windows.

[@aurelian1]

Haven't ever seen KZbinrs claim the Mac has that much. It has an outsized influence in the creative world, but all the creators I've seen would readily admit as much.

[@edwardrolenc7012]

I am so fortunate to have lived through all this as a high school computer science teacher. Microsoft gave me exquisite tools to get young programmers excited about their futures in the world of computing. It makes me feel good about what I did with my life. Thank you Microsoft!

[@julioantonionoronalamas08]

Is a shame such a narrow vision in a school teacher, I feel sorrow for the kids you teach

[@somesalmon5694]

If you wanted to prepare them for computing and give them great tools I think you probably should have set them up with a Unix environment and taught them in the environment most used in corporate settings. A POSIX compatible commandline? Heck even apple might have been a bit better since they have zsh

[@too-da-loo]

What has frustrated me with Microsoft is them adding more junk to each OS and trying to force me to work a certain way. They can't stand the thought that users are different. Windows XP and 7 was great because you could uninstall a lot and start with a nice, simple, clean OS.

[@harshdhiman2690]

Agreed, I went to Windows 10 from 7, and somehow it felt like a downgrade too

[@raginald7mars408]

on my 4 PCs I run win 7 as long as it exists. Surprised - I still get updates...

[@romancernjak]

you can clean up windows 10 pretty well actually. and windows 7. i know, sometimes you need third party apps to replace the functionality that older versions had, but we have no choice. now, if only they could simplify the navigation pane without cloud services acting as volumes (going into registry doesnt fix this either) it would be awesome. but yeah. every new version is a visual upgrade and a functionality downgrade. thank god for classic start.

[@matt-eu-poland]

Windows 10 and 11 are a huge progress for me personally. I'm happy that they raised the bar of how system works. It also feels more secure by default.

[@matt-eu-poland]

I'd say if you have a powerful PC, there is really nothing to clean up IMO. I bought mine some 5 years ago in Poland. They disallowed me to upgrade to 11. Was it bad move? I don't think so. At least I noticed that my computer isn't secure on the hardware level & I upgraded. After to upgrade everything is smooth, and I'm more productive on Windows 11 than ever before. Definitely a good change. What they could work on is performance of animations maybe. I keep mine disabled, works well.

[@davinp]

Microsoft doesn't limit their OS just one computer which Apple does. Also, the PC is cloned, their are many manufactures of PCs and you can build your own custom PC. Apple does not allow this with the Mac and allow MacOS to be installed on MAC's only. This limits your choices.

[@justinnguyen1290]

You can install a fresh copy of linux on an intel based Mac. I did it using two separate partitions. One mac os and one linux. You can do windows but have to use boot camp. Not sure if it works with apple’s new M1 chipset.

[@AW4WAL]

@@justinnguyen1290 Wow, the point is miles over your head.

[@brianm3160]

@@justinnguyen1290 did you read the comment?

[@marcuskruse1]

Microsoft sees themselves as a software company first.

[@MrWhoevr]

Limits choices but increases security

[@edlee8949]

Everybody needs some windows in their house, so that's why Microsoft is winning.

[@yogalD]

Everybody needs some windows in their Office too

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

@@yogalD Yea and a window you can open for air while its still free.

[@danisk7175]

Lol

[@paulkiarie6538]

underrated comment lol

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

@B. Jackson You either have a big house or a lot of computers.

[@Candide1776]

I switched to Apple in 2006. Loved the interface. Ended up changing gears to study Human-Computer Interaction in graduate school, and I remained an Apple person for several years. Then, for whatever reason, Apple all but abandoned the MacOS in favor of iOS, and the interface, the interoperability, and the joy of Apple software just went out the window. I switched back to Microsoft Windows in 2019.

[@kevinwillis6707]

apple will never get my money as long as their hardware is ridiculously overpriced, that and the shady practices towards repair shops.

[@RK-um9tu]

"joy of Apple software" - someone really needs to get a girlfriend/wife...lol

[@asoka7752]

@@kevinwillis6707 true.

[@Hehehe-hf7rq]

Ok here are the reasons: 1. cost. Macs are not consumer friendly bec theyre costly. 2. chrome and linux systems arent as user friendly and available 3. windows and office goes hand in hand. And many users use PCs for the sole reason that they have to use office. 4. Apple systems are much more closed. Hardware wise and software wise. 5. Microsoft did not have their own dedicated PCs. This is the biggest factor. This ensured diversity of machines that suits all budgets and use case senarios. 6. Apple never took the gaming industry seriously.

[@heyaisdabomb]

I agree with everything you said. My gripe with windows is that it's not user friendly. You install a program, and the files are split all over the place. Apple contains all of these files in the .app file, so deleting is as simple as dragging it to the trash can instead of finding the uninstall app that you have to know where to even find in the os. Windows also spreads the settings out all over the place while apple puts everything in one place. So adjusting the time on windows? You don't go into settings, you have to right click the time and adjust it from there. Theirs a control panel with some settings, there's program manager with more settings, and a few other places with settings. It's quite difficult for me with a computer science degree to find what I'm looking for quickly, where as you know in mac os where the settings, which is in the settings lol. Then you have inefficiencies. The new apple silicon use's 1/10th the power of windows machines running x86. Intel and AMD processors are super power heavy, which is not good for servers where electricity is the main cost. The MAIN reason imo why apple isn't more popular is the cost. But look around silicon valley, and you'll see most people here use macbook pros.

[@evacody1249]

@@heyaisdabomb and about 90% of programs people need and use don't work on Macs so whatever.

[@evacody1249]

@Victor Joseph here's the big thing that's stops me from using Linux and MacOS. As you pointed out hardware options. MacOS and Linux users like to act like they know everything about computers. When it comes to software that maybe true. But they are limited on hardware. The software is only as good as the hardware and if there is poor hardware options which Linux and MacOS have who cares how good the software is.

[@ravishankars6707]

I never used a Mac because it was hardly available in India and even when it did become its extremely pricey. So it’s Windows and Linux all the way..😀

[@souviksen.]

The base model m1 macbook (needs dongles, lacks upgradable ram and storage) costs 4X my whole university fees while the repair costs being 2X as much!! Hence no incentive of buying such thing!

[@madmotorcyclist]

@@souviksen. You think only short term. I have used macs that have lasted me over a decade my record one lasted 13 years. If you amortized the costs over the long term Apple's are just as cheap. Now with the M1 cheaper mac laptops outperform their windows counter laptops.

[@srimasis]

@@madmotorcyclist this depends on the hardware not the OS. My i5 3570 pc is about 10 years old and is still in great health. No lag, or slowdown even today.

[@Rhaspun]

@@souviksen. What's bad is that Apple makes it difficult to repair their computers/laptops. It almost seems like they're trying to push you into buying another computer.

[@VijayKanta]

Macs are for professionals that make a lot of money. Many have indeed moved on from Windows to Mac for that *ease of use* feeling with a Mac

[@808BLAddict]

I miss XP so much.. it was my first ever computer and probably the best I’ve ever had..

[@chetpomeroy1399]

Yeah, I was really bummed out when Micro$oft decided to stop supporting XP. It was so robust and dependable!

[@__ZANE__]

i still run windows xp on my main machine. when i can't do something (which is very rare), i boot up my windows 10 desktop.

[@lelenny3021]

GUI of XP is worst in all Windows versions, especially main "colors theme", Green and Blue take over all area in the screen. Even Windows 95 start button is better. You will know don't use "colorful color" in background but small icons only. If you learn basic color theory why Microsoft just can't get the concept within a decade.

[@groovinhooves]

XP was the closest to a real OS Microsoft has ever come.

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

XP was Microsoft's biggest mistake it was to reliable.

[@glenfordburrell2133]

Windows for phones was quite impressionable. Here in the UK we called it "The Brady Bunch Mobile" due to its graphical screen display and its blue, turquoise and purple hues. We were quite surprised that it failed.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Man those windows phones were amazing.

[@aljongibaga1583]

It failed because it has no apps

[@emmausgamer]

@@aljongibaga1583 which is strange, because the previous mobile os they had had tons of apps

[@remix4098]

@@emmausgamer why didn’t they just build off of that then?

[@emmausgamer]

@@remix4098 That's the million dollar question. I had a windows mobile 6 phone and it was so easy to use and could do anything. Games, yes. Office, yes, play high quality videos yes.

[@6Planet]

The windows feature I'm still waiting for is to have programs actually close when I hit the close button without me having to open the task manager and force close them.

[@nickbutter9270]

When that happens to me my method is this 1. Frown a bit 2. Rip the power cord out of the wall. 3. PUNCH the computer or Laptop. 4. Grab another one and start my project again... But I have found out that running programs on a solid state drive can increase a programs start up and close time. So all of my machines run SSD's No moving parts in that drive means their is no spinning disk and reader arm to move over back and forth just to find files as that is the case with standard drives. That eats up a lot of time while working on projects especially if you have lots of files and programs stored on a standard drive.

[@nickbutter9270]

@Wandering Wombat yep... No argument here. I'm in all agreement

[@6Planet]

Also when transferring something with zero programs running and it saying the program is in use and it can't transfer it. Why is there no option to close programs accessing it and transfer anyway? Instead I'm just supposed to what, restart my computer? Go through my task manager closing everything until the file is no longer in use?

[@RK-um9tu]

Warning, Warning, Troll Alert...

[@metalicarus8372]

@@nickbutter9270 a

[@mrsansiverius2083]

"They feel like it's THEIR operating system" Haha, good one.

[@robert1200]

Haha forced Microsoft accounts for Windows 11 Home users

[@politicallyambiguous8424]

@@robert1200 Try ReviOS. It's Windows without that enforced account crap.

[@Q_QQ_Q]

@@politicallyambiguous8424 or just dont

[@garethtv5726]

@@politicallyambiguous8424 or just use linux lol

[@politicallyambiguous8424]

@@garethtv5726 If you're skilled with using it, sure, but not something that will work for most people.

[@bluetiger2557]

I liked that Tandy Trower(Ex-GM of Microsoft) has a picture of Steve Jobs and an Apple sticker in his office 😂. Microsoft and Apple, tech frenemies till the end!

[@ninadk30]

I was looking for this comment!

[@filanfyretracker]

Heck MS bailed out Apple right at the end of the 1990s. Though it was not a kindness, They kept a competitor alive to reduce regulatory scrutiny

[@PhantomO799]

2:06

[@namishbaranwal3522]

@@filanfyretracker yes

[@aurelian1]

@@filanfyretracker I'm sure Microsoft is kicking itself to this day. That's the money that ultimately let Apple make the iPhone and (along with Google's Android) end Windows' absolute grip on personal technology.

[@LegendaryPhenom]

I used ALL version from 98 to Windows 11 Dev beta now and i gotta say that outside of Windows Me and Vista(though not entirely) they were really great specially 7. On a side note... Windows Vista wasn't that BAD it just came at the wrong timing without much support for 3rd partners, however vista after SP1 and some performance updates was very good OS but then Windows 7 arrived....

[@PC4USE1]

Vista was more memory intensive than XP and a lot of PCs hadn't caught up to it yet. Vista Basic was more or less as memory intensive as XP but did not have all the fancy bells and whistles.

[@mho...]

my first one was win3.11, after that 95 was bad, 98 good, ME bad, XP good, vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, (9?!) 10 is good, 11..... idk if i want that! only ever owned every good 2. version 😅

[@LegendaryPhenom]

@@mho... haha respectable. Though i gotta say that Windows 8.1 was better than 7, i used it till win 10 came with classicshell, never looked back.

[@AbdulRehman-ew5fu]

was expecting they'd show steve balmer shouting "developers..., developers..., developers... developers.. developers ....developers....developers" in this video

[@richardsteiner8992]

Balmer was right. Lock in the developers, and your competition has no software. LOL

[@devmaster7587]

That was Epic :)

[@clausnielsen9700]

Steve show exactly how little brain they have at MS. He is a joke. Was it in the 80's the 90's and then suddenly he became CEO. Probably the most CEO worldwide with the lowest IQ ever.

[@unruler]

@@clausnielsen9700 He's just eccentric and doesn't understand computers, that's all. He's a business guy and they usually take over companies when they become sucessful to ruin them.

[@CodesmithEvanion]

He looks like a freaking accountant, but apparently he is a real party animal.

[@Wolf-hd1hr]

When I was 10 years old, my grandfather gifted me a windows xp pc back in 2007. I have lot of memories with that, thank you grandfather 🙏🏼

[@kwenamedia]

What did you use it for

[@tumelor.9218]

Windows XP 👌🏾

[@Ryan-dq9sl]

Nobody cares.

[@Wolf-hd1hr]

@@kwenamedia Gaming ofcourse. NFS 2 and Spiderman were first of few

[@roxcyn]

XP was a great OS!

[@MrVibil2009]

I felt that Micheal Cherry almost sounded like Bill himself

[@iGame3D]

Surprised that voice isn't built into Windows yet.

[@winstonbeckford785]

Did notice that as well 😃

[@riderstorm101]

I totally thought it was Bill Gates talking till they showed Michael Cherry😆

[@theaterofsouls]

that windows 95 start up track though... goosebumps

[@thesakriyagram7668]

I've been using windows since the Win 98 and still I am using windows (Win 10) as its the best OS that I am comfortable to work on. No matter which the computer is, if it's running on windows, it feels home. I think Microsoft understands PC better. Totally excited for Win 11.

[@est9949]

Win 10, 7, XP have served me so well they feel like home. Win 8 was quite pointless but ok I guess, but Win 11 is a real pain. "Upgrading" to Win 11 felt like devaluing your full computer into a mere unusable mobile device as you can no longer customize the taskbar or quickly switch multitasking between windows. I reverted the upgrade immediately and stay happily with Win 10 ever since.

[@watchingworm]

This feels like a Microsoft ad.

[@agps4418]

Depends on how you look at it. If it's through some Windows, sure!

[@amirsattar]

This surely is.

[@ScottyDMcom]

*There cannot be an accurate history of MS Windows without including MS Windows NT.* About the same time MS and IBM were splitting apart over OS/2, Digital Equipment Corp laid of a group of OS developers, who'd just completed VMS. Their leader approached MS about doing a stable and secure operating system, and MS hired them. MS released Windows 3.1 in 1992, and Windows NT 3.1 in 1993 (NT started with v3.1 for marking reasons). Traditional Windows ran on top of DOS, and (as mentioned in the video) was a graphical application launcher. Windows NT was a complete operating system, could run on DOS but didn't need it (and ran better without it). I first picked up Windows NT (as v3.5) in February of 1995. It was true and full 32-bit, used preemptive multitasking, and was stable and secure. I used to reboot once a month. An application could crash without affecting the operating system or other applications. However Windows NT had a serious limitation: graphics performance was horrible and so it could not run many games. MS knew Windows 9x was buggy and insecure, but they could not give up the video performance and full Windows APIs the gamers demanded, so they worked to merge the two code bases. Windows NT 4.0 moved the video driver into the kernel space and improved the IP stack. Windows NT 5.0 was renamed Windows 2000 and was much closer to MS's goal, but still not good enough for games and home use. *Windows XP was the first full merger between the stable and secure internals of Windows NT, and the full functionality games and home users demanded.* If Windows NT had not existed, the history of MS Windows would be very different. In my opinion Windows NT had a far bigger impact on today's Windows than OS/2 ever could have.

[@matthewjeffery3686]

That's a great and important side note to this story. I remember the drama of the merging of NT(the professional operating system) and the 95 graphical libs.

[@bloqk16]

@ScottDM . . . Ah! Yes! Windows NT. I recall helping a neighbor of mine on a landscaping project in 1994, where she paid me with a CD-ROM of Windows NT, as she worked for MS. I installed it on my workplace PC that was not connected to the network; and while all my colleagues were dealing with the buggy Windows 3.11; my PC with NT was stable as a boulder.

[@jimwatchyyc]

OS/2 was superior at running multiple applications simultaneously than Windows. That’s all I have to say.

[@MasterKoala777]

@@jimwatchyyc From experience, I absolutely agree. Multitasking was smoother, and the OS never felt like it was choking on too many tasks. It (OS/2) was much more responsive than NT, but the interface was not as nice. I worked with both back in the late 90s.

[@nflynn]

Also an excellent company to work for. One of my fav jobs, genuinely decent folks all round in my experience.

[@CoreyChambersLA]

I saw Windows in 1984. My very smart friends had a copy and told me how impressed they were. I was not able to spend a lot of time using it until 1990. Was very powerful, but extremely unstable for some software, such as Corel Draw.

[@El-Rico]

"Start me up, you make a grown man cry." Perfect song to introduce W95.

[@MiloDC]

LOL!

[@fwingebritson]

Plug and play is a conspiracy.

[@geekmeee]

@@fwingebritson Can you say? Vaporware

[@kingleonidas6558]

Minesweeper was epic & hard.

[@mazibukomail]

It's easy once you know how to play it.

[@miguelperdomo786]

@@mazibukomail i never figured it out lol

[@SkRiLL420]

@@miguelperdomo786 the number is the number of adjacent cells that have a mine, using them you could rule out one that doesn't have a mine

[@bahabak]

Use twin click (left+right simultaneously) to clear, right click to flag

[@juliane5632]

@@mazibukomail I tried practicing the game for a week, sadly i failed to understand spite being a quick learner, well looks like im not smart enough

[@wowJhil]

One thing is very lucky for Microsoft, and that is exactly this thing about being so open to variety and different companies using their OS on different machines through the years. Even if Mac would be much better in many ways, I would never support that protectionistic philosofy that Steve loved so dearly!

[@sathvil]

That philosophy worked much later for Apple, with the prevalance of smartphones which greatly benefits from tight integration between hardware and software. Android struggles to achieve similar optimization due to the need to run on several different hardware.

[@wowJhil]

@@sathvil Yes, there are pros like you mention. But it comes with a cost also.

[@beaudene2021]

I just remember feeding winXP any and every piece of software I could find, and it ate it up! 😋

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

and crash, Spent 99% of the time Scandisking 1% of the time updating

[@LMacNeill]

I can remember standing in line at the local CompUSA store, waiting for them to start selling Windows 95 at midnight. Hard to believe that was almost 26 years ago!

[@sexygeek8996]

I never understood why people waited in line for that crap. There was absolutely no reason why anyone needed it the moment it became available.

[@balesjo]

I was at the Comp USA in North Dallas for the Win 95 launch. A local radio station had a trailer set up where beverages and food were distributed and they were broadcasting about the launch. It was like attending a street fair. I ended up that night buying a copy of Win 95 and a copy of Office 95. It was definitely a memorable launch of an operating system.

[@BookClubDisaster]

That's the most 90's story I've ever heard. Was there a Nobody Beats The Wiz next door?

[@loafandjug321]

Kmart and Walmart are the reason Microsoft exist today. In the mid 1990s nobody went searching for an OS, the internet didn't exist as we know it today. Your only option was to buy from local big box retailers which only sold Compaq and Hewlett Packard PCs that included a Microsoft OS. NOBODY sold Apple.

[@itypar]

That's not true. I was in a small country town in the 90s and we still had Circuit city and sears that sold macs back in the day.

[@loafandjug321]

@@itypar Wromg. Circut City was like Best Buy, only around city malls. Very rare store compared to 1000s of Kmart and Walmart stores that only sold PCs.

[@babagandu]

Mac sucks anyway

[@Jenacide]

@@loafandjug321 What are you talking about? We had lots of Circuit Citys where I lived, they weren't at all rare and they weren't all by city malls, not even close. From my house I knew of at least 3 different Circuit Citys and only one Walmart and I don't even know if Kmart exists here because I've never seen it around

[@loafandjug321]

@@Jenacide lol

[@TheMichaelT123]

That windows xp wallpaper with forever remain in me ♥🥺

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

@8:08 A bit of retcon when he said the Internet started on Windows in the 90s. The WWW was invented by Tim-Berners Lee on a NeXT machine (precursor to OS X)... and although Windows was a BIG piece of the pie (eventually), Windows was LATE to the party.

[@benj1236]

*The key to this - Compatibility . Apple and Google refuses to be compatible with all hardware vendors. The reason Unix/Linux is taking over is because they are compatible with all types of hardware.*

[@famousmwofficial8046]

Uhm isn't googles operating systems all Linux apart from fuschia and isn't apples operating system certified Unix? I'm I missing something here?

[@smartasskickass4260]

Windows 7 was the peak of Windows, simple functional, optimized, everything worked with it. Now it is overly complicated, stupid menus, 2 diffrent locations of the settings..

[@acostasanchez1]

Agree. Its the windows settings for me, i feel like it’s all over the place

[@davinp]

Microsoft needs to copy every control panel to settings in order to get rid of the control panel. By the way, the Settings apps has been redesigned in Windows 11

[@SuperPlayz]

right now half of the menus look like windows xp and the other half look like a phone

[@TekkLuthor]

I remember watching a video showing they funded the settings problem in W11

[@armanke13]

Just search it

[@4.0gpa44]

How can Windows feel like your os when its impossible for the search bar to search documents without searching the internet?

[@cricuts1]

Windows XP was the real legend. Opened a whole new world for the users of the time.

[@Carvin0]

Yes, Microsoft. JUST FIX THE QUIRKS!! There are so many annoyances that NEVER get fixed.

[@Splexsychiick]

Yes.

[@NaNa-lt1po]

And yet, there is no OS that is more user friendly (not nerd friendly )

[@alexanderg1935]

"Quirks" *No* . Bugs, faults, incongruities, vulnerabilities, crappiness. Those are the words you're looking for.

[@claycoates5056]

they do not want to fix because they have you Fixed like a drunk one Go to get more Just Say NO

[@justfortheviews1383]

And yet they want a new one

[@senryuuhoutaro3353]

The MacOs is really really good, however it is limited only to their apple products and itvis very pricey. Windows got successful because even the shitties computer can be used thanks to windows. Everybody in the third world could make their homework and office work easier without draining wallets.

[@scratchx7909]

Have to disagree, look at windows system resource usage, and look at any linux distro, plus Linux is free

[@maxi-g]

no macos is not good

[@Roshan_420]

@@scratchx7909 linux not user friendly

[@russty7569]

Pricey?

[@lordvold9486]

Everyone in first world do use windows too.

[@jlshoem]

I agree with the guy that said Windows 11 should just be a less quirky operating system with less problems, and not a change in how cute it is.

[@biorpg]

Nice coverage, could use a less aggressive title since the content itself seems a lot more informative than comparative. Probably the most anticipation I've had from any such coverage of the failure versions of windows toward that coverage exploring anything beyond the public's perception of it at the time, and then Microsoft's own like canned responses for each. For instance, despite the *perceived* failures of Windows ME, Vista, and 8 and being labeled as such for the history records, what was their actual impact on the market, windows users, software developers and publishers, Microsoft's revenue or other statistics that can be reasonably considered to have been affected in a certain way by those versions' individual existence, adoption(consumer and commercial, separately) - all with a comfortable amount of space for conjecture or opinion, and hopefully with information obtained from many more sources than Microsoft itself.

[@nathanaelmasuka7685]

"What I need is to not restart my computer every week because it cant find the printer"

[@todortodorov940]

Did you try the other way, restarting the printer instead?

[@jekalambert9412]

I need to stop restarting my computer every couple of days because without the restarts it takes literally minutes to process a simple command or see the text I entered long ago appear on my screen, not to mention that a bug in Win10 that prevents my battery from charging when my laptop is plugged in. With some updates, my battery charges, with others it does not, mostly it does not. My next computer will likely be an Android. I currently use Open Office, the open source version of Excel - anything to avoid MS. Does anyone use still use Skype now that it's part of MS? Raise your hand if you think Microsoft makes great products.

[@metinhesenov]

@@jekalambert9412 Your PC just trash mate

[@metinhesenov]

Yeah then let your PC hacked? No THANKS!!!

[@Pocosebas]

"Tell me you are a dinosaur without telling me you are a dinosaur" I still hate printers even I don't use it anymore

[@ashutoshyadav7385]

Best advertisement for Microsoft Windows brought to you by CNBC

[@robert8984]

At least it wasnt MSNBC.

[@salina_mohammed]

@@robert8984 If it was, it would of been ironic.

[@saidultima]

Forget windows frosted glass slow and restrictive mess, install Linux folks. Windows is not worth it after Windows 7.

[@kritomasP]

@@saidultima am i the only one who thinks Windows 11 looks awfully similar to Linux?

[@saidultima]

@@kritomasP Linux is not a desktop environment

[@thomaskember4628]

I have two PCs with Windows 10. I have had them for a few years. Lately they're both been running terrible slow. I tried all the fixes I could find on the net, but I can't get them go as they used to. Will Windows 11 solve this problem?

[@floatingrabbit3556]

Finally, someone who calls a mac a PC. Respect.

[@roxcyn]

It is: PC = Personal Computer. Which would include any Mac 🖥, right?

[@Shot007]

Windows: businesses Chrome OS: schools MacOS: hipsters Linux: KZbin commentators

[@leobrocato3230]

spot on

[@theendoftheline]

Windows:Most users Chrome OS:Freebies/handouts MacOS:Money Burners Linux:Most servers everywhere.

[@bondgabebond4907]

Windows: Gaming, both at home and at casinos.

[@theendoftheline]

@m o t i month old account harassing linux? Computer lliterate or microsoft paid bot?

[@JohnnyMotel99]

My Mac has allowed me to create regular 5 figure yearly incomes.

[@seffundoos]

Every time I heard the Windows link click sound you triggered something inside me 😂

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

Yeah, running win10 here and I was like - WTF did I open this time? 😂

[@spitzer666]

In my opinion Microsoft’s greatest products were Active Directory, exchange server, system center suits etc.

[@ractmo]

After reading comments I realized that linux fanboys are overly sensitive toward their os. Calm down 🙏

[@Prizm44]

_“linux fanboys are overly sensitive towards their os”_ It’s the ‘sunken cost’ fallacy... they’ve put all their time, resources, and text command lines into getting Linux builds working, that they can’t admit the effort is not worth it 😆 The fact that Linux is still not a user-friendly OS to install after 30 years of development, says volumes.

[@kevinbradshaw1420]

They should have realized that it could only ever have appealed to people like them.

[@albertjackinson]

This was a very well put-together collection of interviews and explanation about Windows. You explained the history, development, and the future of the operating system concisely and effectively. I especially enjoyed your explanation of Windows 11 (you could have talked some about the important touch improvements and multitasking capabilities, the latter of which was likely spurred by the pandemic, though, but that's besides the point). Good job CNBC.

[@prcvl]

love how linux is missing from the chart at the beginning

[@Joel11111]

Linux is free open-source software. They don't have a market share because linux isn't a business.

[@huckleberryfinn6578]

@@Joel11111 Tell that to RedHat.

[@acostasanchez1]

@@huckleberryfinn6578 what happened to redhat?

[@shashank2164]

@@acostasanchez1 ask Ubuntu

[@acostasanchez1]

@@shashank2164 can I ask you?

[@isaacclarke5234]

I was born in 1996. I'm going back over the technology history of the 1995-2005 timeframe because that is my core personality that I haven't considered for years.

[@davidknightx]

Holy crap that nostalgia hit at 5:17

[@tristankordek]

I totally agree with Michael Cherry, the system we are still waiting for is one that will be rock stable, secure and private!

[@woop1418]

you could always use linux as that checks of everything you want

[@tristankordek]

@Graham Twine Show me linux with windows gui, with support for all libraries, drivers and technologies such as direct x so that everything works like under the wing of a microsoft product and I will immediately reinstall the system

[@tristankordek]

@Graham Twine It's absurd to think that DirectX is an indicator of system speed ... It's just that all games written for Windows should run under Linux without any problem, of course those that are based on DirectX I mentioned the GUI because of older people and or less experienced with computer skills, who have huge problems with navigating the operating system anyway, and because windows is the most popular of them and therefore the most famous, it is easier for them to find their way even by asking someone on the phone. Support for alternative file systems is a great idea, although Microsoft is barely able to cope with its own NTFS, it probably has no intention of introducing alternative, and 100% dedicated servers to disk arrays (ZFS) Sorry for my English

[@uribak9144]

@kryptonos rand For what the hell do I need Linux or Mac, with Windows giving me all the options and support for hardware, of course gaming as well.

[@joylox]

@kryptonos rand Elementary OS looks almost exactly like Mac, to the point that even my user interface class TA called it Mac! But with things like Steam, Lutris, and other WINE related stuff, most software runs. The only issues I've had with Ubuntu based systems, is that I can't use the Canon photo editor for my RAW files, and Canon refused to let the open source community (Darktable, Rawtherapee) use their CR3 file decoder. I also have my Linux SSD encrypted, where Windows never had that option. I'm trying Pop!_OS now rather than Xubuntu, and it's very different with it's default GUI (based on GNOME), but I didn't have to mess with any drivers as they have an Nvidia version, which is fantastic! Super easy to install, but not so easy to customize the appearance without installing something like KDE or XFCE. Is the shade feature and close button on the left too much to ask from GNOME? Apparently.

[@mechajay3358]

CNBC: "Microsoft created MS-DOS" Me: "Where did you get that source from?"

[@templet45]

Digital Research

[@nandananvekar921]

Xerox labs

[@finckoff879]

joke of culture, its reachability is limited by ignorance of the most

[@darrenclift6704]

Microsoft didn't create dos, way wrong, it was a guy in seattle that created, and bill gates's team went to seattle and the guy needed money and sold it to microsoft for 50 grand. check your sources!

[@MrJabez89]

What was the point of making this comment?

[@Antphoneigh]

I love how the Windows logo started as blue squares, and have seemed to have ended with it.

[@wompa70]

It's nice to hear Microsoft executives saying they missed the boat on different things. I like where they're going now. Windows Terminal is great.

[@groszak1]

Windows Terminal is extremely worthless.

[@re431]

Windows 7 will always be in our memories

[@UnitSe7en]

Still use it.

[@phiksit]

Plan on upgrading to 7... someday :) I'm not an early adopter.

[@Ryrynz2000]

@@phiksit Ur better off going to 10.

[@Jenacide]

I was on XP so long I missed it entirely

[@thepcuser5469]

@@Ryrynz2000 he’s not, he may have some older computer since he’s an early adopter and 10 would run TERRIBLE on that, besides he doesn’t want an OS to spy on him

[@politicallyambiguous8424]

Most people run Windows, thus people use Windows for maximum compatibility. Windows is also usually easy to use. It's also popular because it became popular in the early days.

[@johnl.7754]

and owning a PC was much cheaper than a Mac because of OEM manufacturing.

[@vascomanteigas9433]

Even Linux needed a native Windows sub-system (Wine) to make usable.

[@asandax6]

@@vascomanteigas9433 No it doesn't but it was because of the Developers not porting their apps to Linux. If Adobe and other big companies like it ported their apps to Linux, Windows would lose.

[@politicallyambiguous8424]

@@asandax6 It would be helpful to the Linux community no doubt, but it probably would not be enough for a mass exodus from Windows. People like what they're familiar with. It would probably require Windows 11 being absolutely terrible, though it very well might be.

[@markBalentine123567]

popular don't mean better though either.

[@vignesh.balasubramanian]

9:26 - that's what heaven sounds like!🎵

[@Acinc-lr2jp]

The MS and Windows journey and computer journey is a metaphor for many business particularly music. Like an OS a genre in music represents the foundation and the artist is the software.

[@niekwushu]

I still hope that one day we'll see a full desktop version of Windows that also runs on a phone. Not like Windows Continuum or Samsung Dex, but an actual full Windows version on which we can run the desktop version of Office, other Windows programs, plus Android apps. If that ever hits the market, I'd switch from Android to Windows in a heartbeat.

[@MatthiasKrijgsman]

Windows is like HR. It's not there for you, it's there for your company.

[@TechNerd945]

I remember my first Windows PC: a windows 7 laptop by samsung. I was 10 at the time and I remember feeling like I was partaking in the future. Its incredible to see how Windows - and the computer market including Linux and Mac - has evolved in just the last years.

[@flytechbass1979]

Windows 11 Microsoft wants to turn your desktop into a damn cell phone, I'll stay with 10 as long as I can

[@davinp]

Windows XP was the first version of Windows not on top of DOS, making it a true operating system.

[@StevenSiew2]

Wrong. Windows NT was the first that is not build on top of DOS.

[@politicallyambiguous8424]

@@StevenSiew2 Indeed. I have them running in a virtual machine. Much more stable than Windows 9x, which is why they were used for business workstations.

[@Regme]

Windows NT 3.1, 4.0, 5.0, and Windows 2000 were the first one to use the NT kernel while the last Windows on top of DOS is Windows ME

[@stevenlatus6936]

@@StevenSiew2 He's likely referring only to consumer desktop versions of Windows. www.howtogeek.com/132488/does-windows-still-rely-on-ms-dos/

[@lelenny3021]

Windows NT 3.1 begins before win95.

[@phabove7]

No, they didn't build MS-DOS. They bought DOS from a small company, Seattle computers or so for $50K then just renamed it.

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

Actually, the OS you refer to, 86-DOS was itself a clone of Digital Research CP/M, so Tim Patterson was himself a copycat programer, so no reason to celebrate him.

[@phabove7]

@@unreliablenarrator6649 : You are right. But, I am not celebrating him. Just pointing out that it wasn't original from Bill Gates. Just like how the concept of GUI was developed by a NASA engineer, perfected by XEROX and later used by Apple and Microsoft.

[@Chrispy9393]

I really wish Windows Mobile would've taken a larger hold. I had a Lumia 950 with Windows. It was FANTASTIC. The display was great, the home screen was natively attractive and convenient to use. I miss it.

[@manny7886]

If Microsoft makes their OS very reliable, a lot of support technicians like myself are going to lose their job. I hate Microsoft OS because of its constant updates but at the same time, I loved it because it keeps me employed.

[@NguyenTran-mf9gj]

Yeah. If Windows 10 was just as good and stable as Windows 7, you definately gonna loose your job.

[@ricdonato4328]

@@NguyenTran-mf9gj "...gonna loose your job." Loose means something not tight. The word you wanted is lose as in loss, losing, lost, notice they have one letter o. Hope that helps you.

[@kairon156]

"People feel like it's their product, their OS"... Than along comes WIndows 10 making it "feel like a corporate product."

[@lumeronswift]

The only reason Microsoft keeps beating Apple and Google and Linux... is computer games. Nearly anything non-computer-game can be done more smoothly and more reliably in Linux, and the whole "customizable" concept is just a joke - most consumers barely customize their desktops, let alone their operating systems more broadly, and if you care about customization... Linux has had (for years and years) MANY more options for customization than either Windows or Apple.

[@olivercuenca4109]

That and the familiarity of the interface compared with less popular options. Most individuals and businesses don’t see much need to start messing about with other OSes if there’s not a clear benefit and some obvious disadvantages to shifting to a new system with new programs.

[@NguyenTran-mf9gj]

Windows 7 is the best version of Windows in term of customization. You can change literally everything in Windows 7, from the surface to the core of the OS. Windows 7 give you more freedom than you could ever dream of. But for some reasons, Microsoft decided to restricted those freedom from Windows 8 onward. Make it harder to even customize on the surface, let alone to the core of the OS.

[@BookClubDisaster]

It's games but that's secondary to businesses where Windows completely dominates.

[@Ali_ReBORN]

If it wasn’t for the PC gaming support, Windows wouldn’t be where it is today!

[@SomeUserNameBlahBlah]

Exactly. The only reason DX12 exists is because Mantle threatened to move gaming to cross platform. Once developers move to Vulkan people will stop using Windows.

[@Ali_ReBORN]

@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah i am so looking forward to it 😆 competition is needed among them for us to get better products!

[@joesalyers]

Windows dominates because they give incentives to OEMs to install windows as the default os on the machine. But sadly the Microsoft tax added to the machine isn't refundable is you don't want the OS and choose to use Linux or one of the BSDs.

[@pedrothevenard]

While that might be true for the beginning of their dominance, nowadays there's a clear rejection against anything non windows for the general population outside the US (that prefers MacOS) , today you can see many times the absolutely same laptops, one with Linux one with windows, the only difference being the OS and the fact that the windows machine cost 100+ dolares more, and the windows laptop will outsell the other one 20 to 1 easily, to the point that sellers try to hide the fact that it doesn't comes with windows installed, using the smaller font possible so they can dump the product, even though it's extremely easy and cheap to just get a windows key and install windows 10 or even use windows with the watermark that don't change anything, for free.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

Actually, the price of Windows in a bulk license might be something like $40. If you bundle a bunch of software, companies are willing to pay the OEM to pre-install crapware to where the cost of Windows drops to even below $0.

[@khai96x]

@@pedrothevenard Your opinion does not explain the rise of Chromebooks.

[@annabananaSplitz1]

Windows will always dominate because outside the US, everything else is unattainable and expensive. A lot of people especially in the US forget that the US is not the only or main market for tech. which is why android dominates global market shares. apple doesn't have support in the caribbean or the middle east, india etc

[@Hristoo]

Even if microsoft tries to make great windows systems, and fail, the top 3 will be the same forever. 95, XP, 7.

[@dijoxx]

I see you're not old enough to remember 3.1

[@smartasskickass4260]

Windows 7 was the peak of Windows, simple functional, optimized, everything worked with it. Now it is overly complicated, stupid menus, 2 diffrent locations of the settings..

[@RaymondHng]

@@smartasskickass4260 I'm still using Windows 7 now.

[@christophersalmon9303]

@@RaymondHng Me too, running smooth as ever.

[@bowez9]

95 was junk 95SE and 98 fixed 95.

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

i'm with that guy before the last, just make windows stable. make it predicable and stable. make it reliable. don't freaking forcefully restart my PC when i look away for a minute, losing my work. even though i went to hell and back to stop it, even used registry edits but the thing still ignores and restarts anyway. don't traumatize me into saving every 5 seconds in fear that the thing could crash at any moment. no, i'll get Apple instead or move to Linux.

[@unruler]

Oh, it reboots? Poor you! I used to reinstall Win 98 and XP every half a year with mandatory disk format, otherwise it will not work. Windows 10 is very stable, I haven't reinstall it in 7 years and it works fine. If you think Linux or Apple is better, you are gravely mistaken: Linux is very easy to break and it's glitchy, MacOS can brick your device - better buy a new one!

[@anandhunt1000]

no matter what happens i owe my succes to windows and other people who developed computing infrastructure excluding apple

[@lachazaroony]

"Accused of using their dominance to drive off competitors." Gimme a break. Lol, ALL corporations do that.

[@mr.pavone9719]

Yeah, but MS had a real position of power back then. Imagine if there were 2 dozen auto manufacturers but 22 of them HAD to use an engine made by one company and there were only 3 engines that one manufacturer offered. None of the engines were perfect, they all did their job "good enough". Sure, Apple Motors makes a very reliable engine and then there's one oddball engine that's highly customizable, versatile, powerful and FREE but the only way to learn to use it is to move to Japan for 4 years.

[@davinp]

One the biggest differences between Apple and Microsoft is that Apple makes both the hardware and software (OS) whereas Microsoft does not make the PC their Windows OS runs on. Apple doesn't license its Operating System like Microsoft does

[@fancy3774]

Microsoft makes hardware too. The only diference is. Apple doesnt allow their os to be used by other brands while Microsoft does allow

[@justinnguyen1290]

Even though apple doesn’t license Mac OS you technically can run Apple Mac on PCs with specific hardware that’s compatible with Mac OS. It’s called hackintosh. Even some non custom built machines work with it. Dell laptops are some.

[@stinger0772]

What about the Surface line of computer devices?

[@geekmeee]

This is true, but I believe you didn’t mention the biggest difference. Microsoft worships the technology and leaves the user to figure it out. Apple makes the technology work for the user, rather than make the user work for the technology.

[@johnpaulyates1655]

@@justinnguyen1290 the so called “Hackintosh” is now a thing of the past. Apple is now moving quickly to rid itself of Intel processors and moving its developers onto their ARM based processors. Sorry, but the hackintosh is dead!!

[@daartistboi]

Another reason why I love Windows is you can pirate off games & apps easily :v

[@master6435]

@Sarthak Mishra There is hackintosh if someone wants a Mac

[@MoneyR236]

Run BootCamp and you can have windows on your Mac

[@master6435]

@@MoneyR236 I wonder how would the new M-mac would work now

[@_Digitalguy]

@@master6435 No more bootcamp, only Windows on Arm via Parallels

[@bhoqeem1975]

You can do just the same on a Mac, if you know how.

[@ljwhitmire200]

I used to make my living from Windows. It's a security nightmare. I know from first hand experience that MS could make Windows bullet proof, but they choose not to. Where Windows/MS is weak is mobile. I believe that more "computer" users around the world are on mobile which is a huge loss for MS. This will show up in 20 years. A lot of millenials don't use a laptop/desktop at all, just a phone. I personally have to have a "real" computer. The big move for Apple was porting MacOS to the Unix platform. MS had the chance to do the same thing before NT but chose not to which was a big mistake in my opinion. The collapse of the Zune showed MS was going to lose in the mobile market.

[@hagriddy8]

I feel like these are the markets Microsoft are bad at: 1. Web browsers, they had there days in the 90s and 2000s but nowadays everybody uses chrome 2. Smartphones, they thought they had a real chance back in 2013 when they bought nokia but buy then nokia was struggling 3. Tablets, 2011 was really the year where Microsoft annoyed everybody with touchscreens which caused the fail of windows 8 4. Education, it is more of a hit or miss but most schools are now targeting chromebooks and finally... 5.Todays marketing , I would like to see more of that classic old school vibe with there commercials

[@vladimirseven777]

16:50 - exactly that. Twice today restarted PC to find wi-fi meter away as hotspot from smartphone.

[@robertshelton3796]

Then you're doing it wrong. My 2015 Dell finds my phones hotspot every time.

[@Jenacide]

@@robertshelton3796 Oh, you're one of those "If I haven't experienced the problem it must be you doing something wrong" types

[@7ombische]

Having Microsoft as a client over the years I understand why their OS and apps are so needlessly unintuitive - the company culture is extremely complex, they use a lot of jargon and this makes internal / external communication overly difficult and unclear. At the core I think the culture and lack of real competition in enterprise is what’s holding them back from creating elegant and much more user friendly customer experiences.

[@kc-me6wl]

Interesting tidbit - thanks for sharing that. Always presumed these sorts of big tech companies had some of the best working culture, but just goes to show i guess...:(

[@blank2707]

Also explains why their so inconsistent. It still annoys me to no end how half of the Microsoft apps I use insert a block when I hit ctrl-backspace and others interpret it by deleting the previous word. Some UI and UX consistency enforced by Microsoft themselves would go a long way but their also notorious for disregarding the standard UI of their own OS for their own software (example Office apps look nothing like standard windows apps).

[@djea3589]

Their internal jargon many times created new terms for existing functions. This was a huge problem in industry as it meant constant relearning of systems as well as user interfaces. Regrouping of windows shortcuts and GUI components and moving access points to software functions is and was insanely stupid. Conventions become conventions for a reason. MS actually seemed to be attempting to get rid of qualified trained users and make room for newly trained and or make employees and companies pay for retraining. I gave up on all Windows back in 2013 and have never looked back. I could still fix viral attacks on windows machines until about 2018. After that all my children and their friends have moved on to OSX. No reason to fix such attacks any longer.

[@DR-xm9ck]

Simple. It's the Installed and entrenched base. Not because it's the best but because it became the standard for Business and Manufacturing decades ago. Way too many legacy installations for it to change.

[@chubbyBunny94]

are you sure? I bought my first Macbook this year. It's not without its issues but man, Windows has some catching up

[@sock7481]

not really

[@ariez84]

Wow Terry Myserson is unrecognizable.

[@happyatheists9361]

xp.vista.7 is the best ui experience,i wish they bring back those themes to upcoming windows 11.

[@MichelDEV]

In a weird way, they are doing that. They have transparent and blurred areas, round corners, more realistic icons and a (in my opinion) better settings app. It's definitely not the same as windows 7 but many design elements slowly find their way back

[@gordongekko2781]

I still use XP and Win 7! In my opinion they were the best versions from their series.

[@seigfredancay4963]

🎯

[@bahabak]

You guys never heard of Stardock WindowBlinds or open-shell? Why limit your OS when there's already apps to change UI? Heck even macos UI in Windows is possible with Cairo shell.

[@MichelDEV]

@@MitchMitch77-77 Windows ME was so bad

[@ETBONIFACIO]

The fact that Apple uses windows in its facilities is ironic.

[@ribaldi]

iPhones, iPads, iTunes, etc needs to run on Windows. Therefore, they need to develop for Windows which requires Windows machines in their facilities. What’s ironic about that? The reverse is true for Microsoft. They develop Office for Macs and iPhones and iPads. Guess what? They need those machines from Apple on their facilities.

[@LichaelMewis]

She didn't mention the switch from the 16bit Windows 3.x/Windows 95/98/ME single tasking kernel to the 32 bit preemptive multitasking of Windows NT, then 2000, then the unification of 95/98/ME and 2000 into Windows XP. That was an enormous milestone to take the consumer interface and bolt it onto the business focued NT kernel.

[@djea3589]

Unification? That did not work out so well for a lot of companies using computers for CAD and Manufacturing systems. Upgrades and integration to manufacturing equipment at times became extremely troublesome as well as expensive. As OS/Windows systems changed, support meant purchasing extremely expensive software, and even lead to leasing software instead of owning it as purchase options ended with constant loss of abilities to integrate into older control system on multi million dollar equipment. A cost born today by many companies still.

[@LichaelMewis]

@@djea3589 I'm speaking of the unification of the 95/98/ME UI/UX onto the NT kernel which yielded XP. When that happened they finally had a decent product. Of course you needed a more powerful computer to properly run it though compared to win98 for example.

[@dasich5338]

as far as I know even win3.xx is multitasking (cooperative). from win95 it is preemptive. win95\98 allows DOS real mode, winme - stopped that. w98 was 32bit (no matter if it is started by DOS. anyway real mode BIOS (now 64bit UEFI)) launches any OS on PC. any windows from NT(winme is 9x ) is based on NT kernel. it was not "unification into XP", but ceased 9x: NT and 2000 are superior to 9x (except they demanded more resources and gamers skipped both NT and 2000) again win2000 had all that themes and sounds like in 9x. NT became consumer because hardware became capable of NT

[@LichaelMewis]

@@dasich5338 the only true preemptive multi tasking windows os is built on the NT kernel. You can't take two windows in dos/3.x/9x and run simultaneous commands. Once you lose focus on one window it stops processing. The NT kernel based OS will continue to run when focus is lost.