Why more F1 engines may blow in 2017

[@bad1971nova]

Politics and restrictions are killing this motorsport, just like how Nascar is dieing... This sport used to be about the innovation and engineering. All these limits are killing it...

[@TennysonPesco]

This sport is still about the innovation and the engineering. I mean, a hybrid turbo V6 making as much power as a V8, V10 or V12 with much less fuel is quite innovative.

[@paulhunter123]

i thought george micheal was dead

[@JeffoJonJ]

..Thats just a Careless whisper

[@celt67]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw the vid-cap and thought "what the fuck does George Michael know about F1 engines ?"

[@Denilson24]

paul hunter I thought you were dead?

[@philkearney0577]

Well as I live and breath! Wake me up before you go go!

[@flammenjc]

is this his last christmas then?

[@fardrol]

Thumbs up if you thought it was George Michael in the thumbnail

[@M189T]

I did, lol

[@garyburchgb]

fardrol had to have a double take!

[@fyte4luv23]

quick glance at the thumb image there, i thought george michael came back to life to comment on F1 engines.

[@JB73691]

George sure looks snazzy in his interview here. He is remarkably an F1 expert in his own right. Looking forward to hearing further analysis from this wonderful POP star.

[@michaelcollins966]

Question for Peter or Scarbs: Do you think the token system limited Honda's ability to catch up in the engine development race? Or was it a combination of other issues, such as not hiring experience from other F1 engine manufacturers?

[@bosshunterman]

I think he clearly answers your question in the video: depends on what Mercedes and Ferrari would have risked without the token system in place compared to Honda. From the other side of the curtain we cannot see what kind of concepts/ideas the individual manufacturers have in store for the future.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

I think not. People tend to scapegoat the token system for honda's poor engine performance. Looking at renault, they hardly spent any tokens this year but gain a notice bum in power post monaco/canada. In truth, honda underestimated the challenges of these P.U. Much like Ferrari in 2014, they focused too much on aero efficiency over power. The size zero philosophy, with the turbo placed with the V worked from a packaging standpoint but cause numerous heating problems. Also running a much smaller turbine @ 120k rpm wasn't able to create the desired power. They should be more competitive in 2017 but as mentioned by Scarbs; this also opens the door to mercedes as well. Historically mercedes has always created the strongest motor in f1.

[@micheleabate146]

Historically? Today the power unit like the rest of the car is developed mostly by non german. There is no continuity in the Mercedes race history.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

Michele Abate You're being shortsighted. All f1 teams acquire the very best, regardless of nationality. Redbull is austrian, is Christian Horner? Or much of the engineering team? HAAS is an American team but nothing is built in the US. This discussion isn't about nationality.

[@Stoppahpowah]

Yes, a lot of teams have their headquarters located near Silverstone. I wonder why they end up hiring British staff...

[@JippaJ]

I wonder how the engine manufacturers will handle the supply of engines.. give the teams a few spare engines? or just have a few spares lying around if something blows up? maybe give a schedule of when new engines are being build.. doubt we'll get an inside..

[@BrianSu]

ohh he didn't mention wider tyres also puts more stress on the engines so higher pressures internally. And btw I am doubtful Mercedes can make great strides with their power unit because I don't think that much more can be gained from a 1.6L block.

[@thomasvanasperen9097]

question: is it very likely that the teams are actually using that 5% of extra fuel for the engines? or will it still be faster to drive with a small amount of fuel in the race and saving fuel? what could be the effects of that rule?

[@marlongordonsjoberg8839]

Probably depending on the new tyres i would guess, if they can handle being pushed more then you could benefit more from running a higher fuel mix.

[@vdub5818]

Thomas van Asperen keep in mind the car is going to be heavier and have more drag. The extra 5% fuel will likely mean nothing considering those factors.

[@Antennenwels1]

Remember they have to save the engine as well.

[@Rottensteam]

Thomas van Asperen With the extra grip from the big tyres and downforce, they can accelerate sooner, brake later so they'll be on the throttle for longer periods and they'll have to push more drag, so the extra 5 kgs will certaintly be used.

[@CraigOverend]

The extra grip from wider heavier wheels will also place more load on the engine and drivetrain.

[@bosshunterman]

And on the brakes(will be interesting to see how those tiny disks/calipers hold up).

[@CraigOverend]

True! Will be interesting to see which teams are able to manage the heat to get optimum tyre temp. I also wonder if we'll see more blown axles with the wider wheel aero and brake cooling requirements.

[@hueyfreeman7010]

bosshunterman. Hass lol.

[@bosshunterman]

+Huey Freeman LOL I haven't even thought about them yet....Next time somone asks for my 2017 perdictions I'm gonna say they are going to be unstoppable :D

[@ramibos6549]

Well that's all taken in calculations already months ago, it's not an issue as such. Issues will be created by having more freedom to push tuning and development without much on-track testing..as craig said

[@TMJ32]

The other teams could never catch up under the token system. Mercedes came with the best engine in 2014 and no one could do anything about it even in 2016 teams were still way behind because introducing improvements was so restricted. There is a natural ceiling of engine development they will hit as the engines mature. They need to let the suppliers get as close to that as possible and then they can re-introduce a token system or a freeze once they have 3 or 4 competitive engines.

[@soundsfrench]

Let's not ignore the new controlling interest from 2017. Development could be something like; improve engine reliability by taking out some of the slower corners. Perhaps just leave three (left handlers)? Ease stresses on steering and suspension by banking the turns. Prevent ingress of damaging, abrasive materials after a run off into gravel traps by walling the track with concrete. This will also allow moving the crowd right up to the track edge and get them safely nearer the action. And for a stroke of genius, run the whole series calendar in just one country and save all the expensive logistic costs to divi up between the board of control members.

[@CzornyLisek]

Engine reliability come from stop-start corners. Generally the lower engine is reving the better reliability. Because of reliability nobody is even going into 15 000 rev limit, most teams don't go above 12 000 because they don't want to blow engine. Also that's one of reasons why there are limitations on circuits designs. Like in to corner can't be faster than 120km/h, straights(slight curves are straights) can't be longer than 2km ect.

[@soundsfrench]

I think you missed my point, Czorny. If the Yanks are controlling F1, they'll turn it into NASCAR. Americans don't understand complexity, finesse and aesthetics. Brute force, up close, in yer face is what they like and what they want is what they'll get.They won't pay to see a sport where the cars come into view and flash past in a blur every 90 seconds. They prefer to watch them go round and round and round and... NASCAR!

[@soundsfrench]

Of course there are plenty of Americans that love F1 as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean that the generalisation is wrong, Michael. I can only speak in a general manner but as long as the majority are within the parameters of the statement, then it bears out. I don't have the facility to poll 320 million people to propose a more accurate statement, so what I offer is my opinion. I can't prove it, it can't be disproved because the evidence required to do either would be incomprehensible. Though, I might add, the most interesting and important detail to be reported from early testing is that the new regulations regarding down force, designed to make the cars go faster, will make cars harder to follow and overtaking more difficult. www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/01/lewis-hamilton-f1-new-rules-barcelona-testing I appreciate that these regulations are introduced by the FIA but Liberty Media, the new Company that controls the media distribution of F1, is going to have some very persuasive influence on what direction the sport goes in, similar to that of SKY with EUAFA. So, I'm sorry if my generalisation misrepresents you personally, Michael. But it's already looking pretty solid as far as I can see.

[@supercooled]

IsitreallyTHATimportant Really? ross brawn. now stfu.

[@TheRomanRuler]

They should have just changed how many tokens team can use. After first race, team that leads constructer`s championship would only get 1 token they can use during the year, and team that leads`s driver`s championship would get 1 token which can be used during the year. If Mercedes leads both, they would thus have 2 tokens that they can use when ever they want to. Team that is in second place would get 2+2 so Ferrari for example would now have 4 tokens they can use to catch up. Team that has least points would get most tokens, so Honda can improve their lawnmowers. Teams that don`t finish on points would get same amount of tokens as team that gets 1 point, but of course they still would not get points and money from that points finish. You would get more tokens after each race. Also i think less money your team uses, more money it should be rewarded for each point. This would make it possible for teams like Minardi to compete against bigger teams. If Minardi`s carpenters can make a miracle and finish on points even though they did not have any money to spend on upgrades, they would now be highly rewarded and they could improve their car so they can try to finish on points again. And if they manage to again finish on points, they could keep growing. But of course, it would still be fair for large teams as well, becouse if they start doing worse like Honda, they would now be ones that get most tokens. I think it would be really good marketing value for any car manufacturer to prove that they can make fastest car with as little money as possible. In modern day i think it is more valued if teams do a lot with less money. And we might be getting new Minardi again! We need a system where you get more help the worse you do. You still would want to do as well as possible, becouse every point is important to win championship. And of course, you still can develop and improve the car, you just don`t have extra tokens and you have to be more creative. This system would ensure that no team could dominate. And if team does dominate, who could say they don`t deserve it?

[@abelisraelcruzayuso4682]

I'm fortunate enough to have some of those books...

[@philippotgieter1526]

This actually gives the team/manufacturer with biggest budget the easiest and biggest chance to be even better which is mercedes as they have a enormous budget, think red bull /renault is second in budget According to me mercedes will be even more ahead and the sport will just drop some more fans

[@Bravo1VE]

Ultimately they are still limited to the number of engines, so unless if the engine is a Honda then manufacturers are still going to make small incremental changes throughout the season. Ron Dennis really screwed Honda by not allowing other teams to get mileage on those, so unless if Honda achieves a miracle they will always be on their back foot development wise. It should make for an interesting season though.

[@elmondo3543]

Why would Merc make drastic changes to a winning formula from 2014, with their competition obviously so far behind. I think they will have been focusing on 2017's drivetrain and unfortunately don't see any change at the top of the constructors championship. Great info on these vlogs though, love them 👍

[@Merto6]

I expect focus to be shifted back to aerodynamics and the engines won't be that important.

[@jonathandeitrick5283]

+Merto6 that's going to be key this year. But you gotta have a strong engine to push the car with all the drag that downforce creates.

[@DimZ_F1]

The only thing that can reduce costs, by controling them, is a budget-cap. Please don't imply we are stupid. And by saying that tokens reduce development spending, you are just doing that. Give a team any amount of money to spent and it will do just that. Freeze engine development and the teams will spent the whole budget in any other areas that they can find gains in. None of the teams make money from racing. They make money from exposure, advertising and branding opportunities that arise from competing in F1 and being seen from a worldwide audience for 63 days a year.

[@richardchild6093]

I do not understand the FIA's obsession with "street car relevance" and cost cutting. What do they care? If the intention is attract more factory teams from VW, GM, Vauxhall or whatever, what do costs matter then? How boring would that be anyway? It's teams like Force India, Haas, even Williams' RBR and McLaren (relative to Merc) that make the sport exciting. The FIA shouldn't even concern itself, necessarily with things like fuel efficiency....that's what Formula E is for... Better sound would be great, but better racing would better. We the fans aren't going to make a difference. What will make a difference is when drivers and teams start to pull up of F1. Alonso even said that he would retire if the cars stopped being fun to drive and that they were close to getting to that point. Hopefully, if engine reliability issues because of the new demands on the power units and the higher cornering speeds suggested for 2017 will cause a bit of a shakeup and we have more results like Spain and Malaysia with Merc finding a more evenly matched field of competitors. Hell, I wonder if we might even see Sauber or Manor get a podium! Doubtful, but one can hope!

[@jamesrobinson9176]

there's no way to limit spending inF1 . can we all agree on that?

[@SupremeProductionsYT]

Just bring back the V8's and add the electric components to those cars! That would be the best way of bringing the sport back

[@tristandoran601]

Nice collection of books.

[@xavierandradev]

Engines are limited in the instantaneous fuel flow, so there is a limit on how much power the engines can make. As engines improve, it is harder and harder to make more power. While certainly Mercedes could make their engine better, it is more likely that the other teams will gain more power than Mercedes.

[@nicolainielsen7700]

But they stopped using the Saturn V ages ago.

[@adarsh046]

Look at the collection behind! I just set a new goal in life!

[@supercooled]

adarsh deshpande to be a George Michael look zlike? lol

[@realstreetninja]

holly shit George Michael lives!

[@kwd_kenny]

realstreetninja He ain't not George, right?

[@armorgeddon]

The most important result was that Ferrari came up with an illegal power unit and used it for years and apart from Ferrari itself and FIA still nobody else knows what was illegal about that PU. Oh and of course being the FIA the penalty they gave Ferrari was a joke and all the results achieved with those illegal PUs still stand. The state of F1 in a nutshell basically. :-(

[@ampm9771]

Haha to hear that "Merc's PU was absolutely right in 2014" is utter rubbish. Merc in fact asked for rule change to get an engine they had worked on for 5 years, and knee that others won't have time and would not be allowed to catch up. Who was merc before the hybrid era?? Right, at the back of the grid!

[@UnlovedZetsu]

Holy shit thanks for this, I guess that means goodbye to Mercedes now (maybe)

[@qasimmir7117]

Going down to 5 engines a year?! Man what's happening?

[@GordonLoJ]

Qasim Mir this is since 2014

[@qasimmir7117]

Gordon Lo 的音樂頻道 They 6 engines a year then didn't they? They really go back to at least 8.

[@blameusa7082]

bring back V10 Turbos

[@OperationFoxley19441]

Renault are known for good engines..................... Anyone remember Renault F1 in 2005?

[@AZdirtdog]

This guy doesn't have "faith" in these motors, it can't be him

[@beeDUB75]

good riddance to the tokens system, and I welcome the prospect of more engine failures - it is an element of random drama missing from today's F1. Probably still wont happen too much due to the fact they can only use 5 engines per season without penalties.

[@robertwhitten265]

They all blow.

[@deeligee]

Use a rotary engine

[@jerseybean59]

I can't, for the life of me, come up with a reason why an F1 car has batteries for power (and all the other assosiated shit!)

[@TennysonPesco]

Efficiency.

[@thecolourred6857]

I see there's the great debate v10 era or turbo era why can't we get turbo 3 litre v10s. make f1 less boring and more fun and mad

[@CzornyLisek]

Is it I3, V4, B4, H8, V12 whatever only rly make some difference in sound. Although difference in sound is mainly on exhaust itself(end turbo as part of exhaust/intake system) not engine config. Also V6 turbo Hybrid today are as powerfull if not more than old engines. Also electric engines mean they are much more responsible. while being smaller, lighter, more reliable... in every single aspect better.

[@sirdetmist3204]

drop the dumb engine limit just let them use as many as they want

[@Kevin_40]

f1 is now tokens and vaccuum cleaners combined with competition not even close to mercedes. f1 is in the shitter. bring back v10s and castrate mercedes. oh and the cars look dorky now too. bring back f1 cars that looked like they did from 1995-2005. most importantly bring back v10s and better yet both v10s and v12s. more than half the excitement of an f1 race is simply hearing those awesome engines.

[@Roger.Whittingtonuk9441]

i for one have given up on f1 the racing is crap and its all about whos got the most money its to political now i may have a look once the poison dwaf has gone if hes so dedicated to the sport he should put his hand in his pocket but no tight git cant wait for him to go people pay to see a race not debates afterwards to decide who won and i was a avid fan for 50 years but no more

[@richardchin9457]

NO, the engines have not blown up mych, have they? haha

[@arr2661993]

Richard Chin of course. Torro Rosso. Recently.

[@NoName-bt3oy]

F1 is dead.

[@testacorsa150]

No it isn't. It's just your passion that's dead. It's very normal, don't worry. It's just what happens sometimes when you get old and bitter.

[@NoName-bt3oy]

Lol. MotoGP is where racing is at. Attack the person not the message whilst your weak mind tries to catch on.

[@paulhunter123]

no really its dead

[@paulhunter123]

f1 today is called branding

[@carguy466]

And that's a good thing. It has competition in every area

[@Mabeylater293]

The only reason more would blow is if Renault is the one building them.

[@themememagician3998]

It's not a power unit it's an engine.

[@tristandoran601]

Nice collection of books.

[@jondury9450]

They all blow.