why most armys don't like kpop | does this make sense tho? 🤔🤨 | REACTION

[@collisionofplanets]

this whole video just feels like a diss to kpop as a whole. and i just don't get it? like you don't have to like other groups. it's completely fine to only stan one group. but like??? a lot of these reasons are misconceptions about the industry and are only perpetuating this damaging representation of kpop to the general public. also, i actually do agree with a lot of the comments saying that armys shouldn't be forced to listen to other music. you shouldn't be. you can like whatever you want. but that being said. i think why a lot of multis get annoyed is because (like in this video) you are shoving all of kpop into this box which really doesn't work when it is such a diverse industry. also can someone actually genuinely explain what bts isn't kpop. this is a sincere question, i really just don't get it.

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

I agree with everything you’ve said. Well written and expressed 🙌🏻

[@JkLina13]

This video literally called why armys doesn't like kpop ! You don't have to agreed with boracity it's ur choice . If u have different opinion its fine but I am as an army completely agreed with boracity! If there wasn't BTS I wouldn't even bother to dive in to kpop industry same as majority of armys ! If there wasn't bts kpop industry would be spread just in asian side and I am most likely wouldn't even hear that there is some kpop exist , my first introduction to bts was DNA at ama if I wouldn't seen bts there and if they wouldn't impress me I wouldn't be here right now same as millions other armys . I am not fan of kpop I am fun of bts , I tried every single group gg or bg every generation and my experience.. kpop is mediocre , nothing special just pretty visuals and mv fancy autfit nothing more than that ..., if there was no bts I wouldn't even care to check what is kpop . Sad but it's truth and belive me 90% of armys agreed with me . Name bts as kpop if u like or not but for me they are above way way above the typical kpop idols ! They are creators , musicians, ARTISTS ! kpop can't relate ..!

[@texartthoughts5581]

Lol when bts become big for making own music suddenly some group tried to of lable try manufacture idol producer ahhaha. And those product are svt and stray kids. Boy you nothing. Everything she said is video was legit. But you will never like it cause are fan fan ov manufactured cow like blackpink. Whe a person say he like blackpink pink musix its his dick talking cause thats not music not horrible lyric with beat teddy stole from hip hop era and made edm drops. Yeak you should not even talk about bts you standards are too low. And girl multi ahahah dear lord you guys are insects.. Just can't deal with fact everything in the video is fact about kpop. You guys can't deal with fact whole kpop combined can't beat bts musical talent or sells or stream.. You can't deal with the fact rm's indigo album id enough to put whole kpop to shame

[@texartthoughts5581]

@@NotSoDailyOfficial lol black pink fan saying things about music ahahahhahahahahahaha ahahahah ahahahah. Shut the fuck up

[@texartthoughts5581]

The originality and authenticity of BTS music make bts not kpop. Bts dances and their style of dance is so rare road and shoot method no kpop can doo. All seven member makes own music with own color even all 7 has 7 different vocal color. Bts lyrics probably best lyric catalogue of any artist of last 15 years. And bts does not lip sign. They are best live stage performer of this generation. The presences so strong only Beyonce may able to compete. Main fact their has meaning that heal people so different band rare in world. Bts is legacy artist like queen mj5 Beatles. Do you wan't more fact??? These are makes bts not kpop

[@Kookiepookie2025]

If people think boracity is a hater or close minded then they didn't understand the video

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@itsmemoonchild]

Sure other groups are hardworking but the fact remains that BTS is the best. There's no denying that.@@Kalakeiko

[@Kalakeiko]

@itsmeloriforever7234 How so? That is incredibly subjective and completely different for each person. They may be the best for you, for one reason or another, but that most definitely doesn't apply for everyone nor is it a "fact" in any way or form. I personally prefer other groups as well, even though I have absolutely nothing against BTS either. They just aren't for me and I can't connect with them like I can with other artists.

[@itsmemoonchild]

That's fair. To many, it's true, for some not. (After years of knowing kpop for me personally they definitely are) It just sounded a bit wrong you saying "not true at all". But I also have nothing against other acts. I agree that for each person being the best can definitely be different, since we all have different music preferences. Wish nothing but the best to all. @@Kalakeiko

[@Kalakeiko]

@itsmeloriforever7234 The "not at all" part is referring to the claim that BTS is the ONLY talented, unique and versatile group as well as the only ones who are hardworking, passionate and genuine about their work, which isn't true. Whether or not someone likes other groups for one reason or another is a completely different story and no one can force someone to like something, nor do I want that. My only issue is when people refuse to at least acknowledge other talented artists regardless if they like them or not instead of disrespecting and discrediting them and their work and achievements for no reason. That's all. I hope you have a good day as well! :)

[@marqueen9751]

i just have to say boracity is definitely not for all bts reactors especially if they are multis because they will try to deflect the truth…not attacking the channel btw, but ofc if you react to multiple groups, you will get mutiple fandoms in the comments.. it’s the truth that most kpop groups are visual and dance focused which isn’t a bad thing, but at the end if the day a lot of ppl come for the music which might be why armys don’t like a lot of other kpop groups!! i also think it’s weird that ppl think everyone has the mindset “oh i like bts, i should like the whole kpop industry” which is not the case and in fact i find it a bit weird that some ppl like EVERY kpop group…it’s ok to like what you like and you don’t have to like everything that is associated with it…boracity is not hating kpop at all…she is showing an armys perspective and most ppl’s perspective on music…i think a lot a kpop fans have a created a space where it’s “unusual or close-minded” to only like one group when it’s really not at all.. that’s why there are so many fandoms…that’s why there are “armys”, “stays”, “carats”…it’s better and more beneficial to the group if you don’t just categorize it as a “kpop stan” because it kind of diminishes the accomplishments that a certain fandom helped to get the groups where they are but now western media categorizes everyone as kpop stans because of toxic multis

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Majority of Reactors that pay attention to all group's get Payed to do so, their has been many popular reactors that were Exposed of it, especially the BlackPink reacting video's, YG paying for reactors to review their artist's

[@lanaling5185]

They are never want to hear the truth

[@Kalakeiko]

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. I'm not going to force you to listen to other groups, but please don't treat Kpop as a genre like it is something to look down on and like it doesn't have talented, diverse and unique artists, because it does.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@lanaling5185 I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. I'm not going to force you to listen to other groups, but please don't treat Kpop as a genre like it is something to look down on and like it doesn't have talented, diverse and unique artists, because it does.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine That isn't true. The people that react to other groups genuinely like them and no one is forcing them to listen to them.

[@ayoidek6571]

It’s honestly annoying how only armys are questioned for only liking one group, if a person only likes any other group for ex. TXT, skz, etc. nobody cares, but the second you say you only like BTS people assume you haven’t bothered checking out the rest of kpop.

[@samthepancake69]

I mean in all fairness I've met ARMY, Blinks, and Once like that (where they have no interest in the rest of k-pop)

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

@@samthepancake69 I have met Stay's like that, they bash u for liking BTS even tho Stray Kids would be a robot group like the rest if JYP didn't give thought about how BTS are getting bigger about writing their own music

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Many will disagree but JYP and Hitman Bang are friend's prior to BTS as Bang worked in JYPE previous to building BigHit then HYBE, I am a HYBE fan, mainly BTS and Lesserafim, I would alway's choose BTS over anyone in Kpop, Kpop Lack's what BTS doesn't ORIGINALITY

[@ktd_ot7]

@Ayo Idek well said.. That's so true 💯

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@TiaIela]

both kpoppies and this boy (I assume he is also kpoppie) clearly missed the point.. maybe one day you will understand that Bora is not an ordinary kpop channel that spreads unnecessary hate but really speaks fairly and tells good facts. She never blames anyone personally and if this video hurt you/ your favourite group's feelings. the shoe fits

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

The problem is they speak so broadly about kpop as a whole that obviously if there’s groups that are different. So the statements are inaccurate unless corrected and are specific. It’s a very basic view of things with no in depth understanding of the the music industry in general

[@utkarsharohit4928]

​@@NotSoDailyOfficial what you mean is there Are very few artist in k-pop that may fit one or two criteria of BTS artistry, but k-pop as whole industry really is like how exactly boracity explained !!! You do have to know the few groups you mentioned aren't the only k-pop groups, there are 100s of groups in each generation!!! And that can COUNTS as a whole!!!

[@KayaaaaDe]

I don't honestly understand why people say that BTS is not K-pop. What's so demeaning about being a k-pop group? These people are just contributing to the k-pop hating trend. I am an army and also a multistan. If you are an army you are automatically a k-pop stan, because BTS IS A K-POP GROUP.

[@JkLina13]

U are multi that's why you feel so and think so , but I am as just army just bts fan not considering bts as kpop simply cuz they not following many idol stereotypes and standards. They are considered Artists while kpop idols just idols ! U can argue as much u like but nothing what is about bts can label them into kpop cuz they way ubove kpop ! And as boracity said just them can be same stronge and successful even separated from kpop industry and that's only bts can do ! The only common thing they have with kpop is kpop training system which originally was taken from Japan .

[@puddle21200]

@@JkLina13 bts is kpop. because they are korean and they release music with korean lyrics.

[@nancysharma2096]

@@puddle21200 they are korean group not kpop. lol

[@puddle21200]

​@@nancysharma2096 literally the same thing. kpop refers to all pop music from south korea.

[@nancysharma2096]

@@puddle21200 they debuted as "kpop group" but definitely didn't follow certain stereotypes and out grown from "kpop" eventually. even namjoon said in the interview they do not want to limit their music in the boundary or bubble called "kpop" bts are now talked in actually pop conversation and they are up there w big artists in music industry.

[@coco_ssi]

I enjoyed butter and dynamite, They were not going for "Grammy" . They tried new sounds, as most artists do

[@CupofLoffee]

Its very weird for others to ask and tell army to like other groups aswell. Like it could backfire and make us dislike other groups. Just mind your own business and focus on your groups!!

[@imbelongstolayjurajilpark5494]

You guys are the who always tell other people and start fighting bts is popular bla bla

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@CupofLoffee]

@@imbelongstolayjurajilpark5494 ive never once told people to listen to bts or stan them theyre better etc no no. I mind my own.

[@ruthfischer7615]

🙄 Same BS about the English songs again. They were not for Grammy, the Billboards or even the US specific. Not liking them is fine. The BS people talk about it is not. Their journey - a coming of age story - was supposed to end in 2020 and if you look for it you can see that. But Covid delayed the tour, politics interfered and they were delayed from doing their military service and doing solo work. They choose to comfort Army and made with BE their most personal album yet. (Why is everyone forgetting that Album?!) They still needed to drop music but the story had ended. The result was that other music was offered. English is THE "lingua franca" and as a second language spoken in Tourism, Big Business and the Internet. (History being at fault of that.) I had to learn English and wasn't asked - despite being so bad at it. My sister got her first English lessons in elementary and hated it. When IKEA - a Swedish company - made their subsidary in Korea they send their own managment personal there and hired Korean workers - one side speaking (mostly) Swedish and the other - not knowing that - Korean. So which language did they speak? that's right. English. And if 3 songs (with MV) in English are enough to stop listening to BTS? You were never a real fan to begin with: you were a viber. While vibing is not wrong - your choice - it does not make you a real fan. At the same time we have a lot of other works, solo, free, collabs etc.: Your eyes tell, the entire BE album, Abyss, Super Tuna, Bycicle, Don't, Christmas Love, Girl of my Dreams, Sexy Nukim, Film out, Rush Hour etc. You don't have to like everything but there is so much music that you'll still find stuf you'll love. People suffered from the pandemic. Just because you didn't doesn't mean the rest wasn't scared and lost family and friends especially since a lot of countries couldn't even get their hands on vaccinations. The English songs were comformting, attracted many people that than discovered the rest and stayed for that. The songs reminded us that it will be over someday and that life is still good and you can be happy. try Elliot Sang "why fans love suffering artists" BP is not mainstream. Maybe they are on the way there - if they do not disband. But their real numbers are not yet there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Seventeen is under PLEDIS, yes. But 1. they debuted a few years after BTS and 2. Pledis is under HYBE now - which means the members can meet each other. In fact one of the members just bonded with Min Yoongi on Suchwita. I also protested a little: I mean HYBE artists are usually there for the music and have identity. And Big Bang were certainly first. Her frustration got the best of her there but the rest is still true. Stray Kids writing line 3Racha has gotten the attention of the K-Hiphop scene. But those are till now exceptions. The industry is changing But it is funny to me that HYBE is now majority stock owner of SM. 😁 BTS is NOT responsible for K-pop. There is only a low level connection: bby gang mag "BTS vs K-pop" (history; defintions also of what K-pop actually is) "BTS: More Than K-pop" and "How BTS paved the way" - "you are wrong about K-pop" Did you check out more Spanish speaking artist when Descpacito was that big? Where you asked to? And you still don't know why those other artists are NOT K-pop? Because what you talk about is Idol music and that is not what BTS or the other artists do. Those others like Heize, IU and Lim Young Woong. They are NO Idols or at least not anymore seen as such. They are seen as real artists and they are connected to Korean culture. You should have read the long text a fan wrote why they are not a K-pop fan. It speaks about "Han" that is missing from the rest. The difference is in the music, their involvment (not superficial at all) and their clear connection to Korean roots - not a concept. I think the US Americans don't understand because they don't devide their music like that: into superficial, vibe music and into intelligent "real" music which BTW a lot of countries do. One can respresent a country and it's history but the rest doesn't - it is just unimportant entertainment that in many cases is forgotten by time with the exception of a few fans and music historians no matter how big they once seemed. Or do you remember the musical songs that were fighting i the charts when the Beatles did their first TV show in the US? I don't.

[@zymora8097]

As someone who grew up listening to alternative rock and indie music, most of k-pop just really isn’t for me. Just like I don’t love American pop all that much because it’s pretty much all cash grabs and music that lacks originality - feel how you feel - but I feel that same way about the majority of k-pop I’ve heard. As the video states, I like a few songs from different k-pop idols and can agree that a lot of k-pop is catchy. But most of it seems very surface level to me in comparison to the music I usually listen to AND in comparison to BTS’ music. As someone who loves music as an art form, I try to immerse myself in all kinds of music. But I’m not going to lie and pretend that I don’t recognize that a lot of the k-pop industry is more interested in charting than they are in creating meaningful music - just because people don’t like that that includes some of their favorite artists.

[@ralphy383]

The whole point is kpop isn't a genre. Bts fans are not going to listen to other korean artists just because they are labelled kpop because kpop groups have nothing in common with bts in terms of music. Maybe some people coming to bts might like kpop groups but many armys are fans of other genres so we aren't going to be fans of kpop groups. So don't go around asking bts fans to listen to kpop... why would you do that? Stop asking armys to give your groups a chance. Most of us tried and we don't like anything.

[@Kalakeiko]

I disagree, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now. I'm not forcing you to become a fan of other groups, but Kpop doesn't at all sound the same every time and there are many very diverse and talented artists out there.

[@TiaIela]

​@@Kalakeikowhy your "talented" and "unique" groups are not successful. well i tell you they are not good enough "kpop doesn't sound the same at all" is a complete lie. now listen fucking carefully while I explain to you. Before HYBE/big hit music, kpop mainly revolved around SM, YG and JYP right? what do all these companies have in common? that's right their goal is to make their music sound the same (beats) for example "SM town" wouldn't be possible if every group in SM didn't follow the same pattern in beats or lyrics. and this inevitably makes groups within the company sound the same. it's the same with YG and JYP, they are also trying to create a company stans. well, if we're not talking about them, but about HYBE and big hit. big hit aims to create unique artists (not idols but ARTISTS) like bts and txt. however, before the big hit, there was no need for these artists, because the kpop world is run by the big 3. Now, however, after the establishment of Hybe, different companies have started to "copy" the big hit in that they create unique idol groups such as Newjeans (with a fresh sound) and lesserafim (with a fearless concept). Nowadays, it is easier to find Meaningful lyrics, self-written groups and different genres, because it was noticed that they get the audience's attention. and before anyone says "bts wasn't the first" of course not, but they are the biggest example. It's true that there were similar groups before(btob) and at the same time as bts (seventeen) but they weren't talented enough to reach the top or they lacked something that bts has.. thanks bye.

[@Violetviolet9793]

It’s always funny watching kpoppies in these comment sections doing Olympic level mental gymnastic routines to twist boracity’s videos. But then again I wouldn’t expect kpop stans and multis to be able to view and understand these videos from an unbiased standpoint when they spend 99.9% of their time downplaying and bashing BTS and armys and everything they do rather than supporting their supposed ‘faves’.

[@CupofLoffee]

Exactly!

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@Kalakeiko]

​​@@CupofLoffee I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@Kookiepookie2025]

I checked other kpop artists but I'm not really into their music just few song that I thought were catchy for me and then I don't listen to it anymore Just bts made me go that deep

[@Kalakeiko]

I personally stan many groups and they're all very talented and unique and diverse as well, but I respect your opinion!

[@Rose-lb9hd]

Honestly I got to know about Koop because of BTS and in that excitement I checked out all the other popular groups because of curiosity but I didn’t connect with them and their music like I did with BTS. Also, a lot of K-pop groups have really forgettable music and there are hardly any memorable songs . But in case of BTS, I’ve like 90% of music they have released. They are the only group in which all 7 members are strong individually and have their strong unique identity in music as well as personalities. They are trend setters and not followers so everything they do feels very refreshing which is why fans stick with them for a long time.

[@TheMewrenee54]

this is the biggest piece of bullshit I think I've ever read

[@Kalakeiko]

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines, I'd like to recommend TXT (Tomorrow x Together), which is a 5 member boy group under the same company as BTS and is considered to be their brother group. They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, Wr Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more. There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few. In terms of vocalists there's also EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT. I'm not going to force you to listen to other groups, but please don't treat Kpop as a genre like it is something to look down on and like it doesn't have talented, diverse and unique artists, because it does.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@Mo To be honest, there's many other groups that have the same qualities as well in my opinion.

[@foxpaw1]

​@@Kalakeikokpop isn't a genre. It's an industry. Some groups being formed after bts' success seem to be given more artistic freedom and def have actual talent, but they're still being promoted by an internal industry that controls articles, tv shows, venues inside SKorea. Meanwhile excluding news of the actual biggest group. So is army excluding kpop or is kpop excluding bts?

[@Kalakeiko]

@@foxpaw1 Exactly, it's an industry, meaning that all kinds of music and concepts can be found there as well as all kinds of groups, which is why I strongly disagree with people that generalise all of Kpop and treat every song and groups as the exact same when that isn't the case at all. Also, there have been plenty of groups from earlier generations that had creative freedom and who made their own music before BTS and it wasn't just because of them that caused newer groups to do the same, although they did contribute to it as well and while the Kpop industry is definitely controlling in a lot of ways and I won't deny that, the same could be said about literally any industry of any kind of media, not just Kpop. As for your last part, BTS is literally considered to be the face of Kpop for a LOT of people, if not the majority that heard of it or knows about it and while there are some people that do exclude BTS from Kpop spaces, MUCH more very much do include them and there's also a ton of Armys that exclude BTS from Kpop while others do include them, so it most definitely goes both ways.

[@xandria4618]

Not sure how to feel about this video at all. Also I don't think listening to bts exclusively makes you a listener of many genres??? So many kpop fans listen to multiple genres and kpop itself makes a lot of songs with different genres, bts is NOT the only one who does this. And yes I do think this video was kinda bashing kpop, coming from someone who stans multiple groups including bts. Videos like these remind me of when I was attacked on twitter for stanning other groups instead of only stanning bts. They really hate multistans. And im ONLY talking about the toxic fans! Like I said idk how to feel about this video cuz some points make sense and others make me confused.

[@forg_tful.]

wdym listening to bts exclusively does not make you a listener of many genres?? are you aware of how diverse bts's discography actually is? and they don't just do one-off songs, they do them all justice. there is no person in the world who only listens to only one artist all day every day. kpop stans mix up when armys say they only stan bts with them literally only listening to bts, which is legitimately not the case. armys don't hate multis in general, they only hate multis who throw bts under the bus or lie on their name in favour of other groups. like you just downplaying their discography right here, for example. it's because some multis want to say they stan 30 groups rather than accept the concept of casual listening, which is what armys do with various other artists and what was explained in the video by a fan. finally, just saying, not many kpop groups diversify their discography in the way bts do which is why they stand out. most groups follow this formulaic trend of their title tracks all sounding alike in their "signature" genre and then pulling their fans into their b-sides which may feature a ballad, a quirky little rnb song or some more of the same. bts title tracks are all very different from one another, and they pay special attention to their b-sides too, because their albums are made to be listened to top to bottom and every single song matters in that chain. that's what the videomaker meant, and what armys mean, when they separate bts from your other groups.

[@JkLina13]

@@forg_tful. period ! Everyone understand what they like to understand on this video while the purpose of the video was literally about how armys become armys , how armys tried other kpop groups but became solo bts fans , how armys literally became armys cuz of bts artistry, poetry , lyricism, messenge and their MUSIC in general which non other kpop act can come even close to bts level of music . But he/she heard and understand what he preferred!

[@forg_tful.]

@@JkLina13 this video and creator in general are not for multis who hate hearing the truth from a non-multi army's perspective. ironically, those responses to the video are exactly why armys dislike certain multis. but armys will always be villified, we're already used to it. i wouldn't say armys are "solo bts fans" like you said, being a fan and stanning are concepts i differentiate.

[@xandria4618]

@kat okay I'm sorry but when did I downplay their discography? I've stanned them since 2017 I know how good their music is😭 I'm just saying a lot of other groups do different diverse genres too. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus. Also I definitely agree with the casual listening point. When I just got into bts I did that a lot before getting into new groups and I still do with most, if not all, 4th gen groups. Also I do agree with the title track point. Looking at nct for example. But that's mostly why I try getting people into artists music with their b-sides because most are blinded by their title tracks only. My friend was like that once lmao. But yeah thank you for giving me your pov anyways it helps me a lot :)

[@JkLina13]

@@forg_tful. multis literally should make fandome by themselves and call it multis , cuz when it comes to support , vote , defense or even fanwars happens Multis being a neutral present there cuz they struggle to take side . Multistan can't properly vote , support , stream , buy albume if there is competition with other hes liking idols inside . Idk but I personally don't consider multis as armys cuz u can't be completely into 10 artists being fan of . This is my opinion ! And ofc when it comes to resist hatred multis are those who drop bts under hate train like " I am an army but " blablabla !

[@ralphy383]

Dynamite was not made for a grammy. bts made it cus they were bored and it was for Billboard hot 100 1#. Dynamite wasn't supposed to exist. That was the time alloted to their military service. But because of the pandemic they couldn't go on their mots tour and then leave for military like they planned to. So they just picked a random song from the Colombia records people and sang it to pass time doing something until covid was over. They were both shocked and upset Dynamite blew up. namjoon was affected by it. He made a vlog questioning himself. Then it got nominated for grammy. Again that song wasn't supposed to exist. Then they made The BE album WHICH WAS AN ENTIRELY BTS PRODUCED ALBUM THAT PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING EXISTS.Thats why any army who say they unstanned bts after dynamite YALL ARE NOT ARMYS. And then since dynamite was a success they made butter as a follow up. This time for grammy.

[@JkLina13]

Exactly,!! Dynamite was not even on their program to start with since they were rdy after MOT7 albume tour go for military service. Ppl like to make fake story's just to defende their irrelevant opinion while the story was literally the opposite. Bts always have plans when it comes to music all their albumes are trilogy of their life , Dynamite wasn't even something planned it came when covid came and cuz they canceled their years planned schedules... Yesterday I came across youtuber Everglow Up and her brutally honest opinions pt1 pt2 video years ago created where she's like Dynamite was made for Grammys ! Bringing up Namjoons speach where he said bts never gona release English albume and I rly got pissed cuz when other kpop idols releasing albums full English or even 80% English its all good but 3 bts English songs bring disaster! Hypocrites ...

[@ralphy383]

@@JkLina13 exactly!!! The song would never exist if it wasn't for the pandemic. It was unplanned and made by bts to pass time during covid.

[@JkLina13]

@@ralphy383 hun we are toxic and bts are westernized this is what they only LIKE to say and think . Tbh idc anymore the definition of toxic being lost since no matter what we say or do we are toxic so why should we care anymore ? Everything is fine untill BTS do ... that also not surprising me anymore cuz no matter reason we bring they won't think otherwise!

[@Kookiepookie2025]

@@JkLina13 exactly lol

[@CupofLoffee]

Yes I dont like kpop, but I like bts. I dont listen to any other group, I have heard them but they werent for me. I do like some solo k artists like taemin though. But its not kpop.

[@sunshineonmymind7055]

Taemin IS k-pop, though 😂 what are you talking about lol he's literally in SHINee (you know, the "Kings of K-POP").

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@sunshineonmymind7055 Yeah, Taemin is definitely Kpop. I don't get why people here always treat Kpop like it's something to look down on and like the artists aren't talented diverse when they definitely are.

[@iamhere1384]

Yeah I’m gonna have to unsub, I was here when y’all first started off on the channel, but now the vibe I get from y’all is completely different. And I think it’s cause you’re multis now, and that’s fine but pls don’t speak on the boys since you’ve obviously forgotten some things about them. It’s been fun ✌️

[@milk.8793]

this isn't an airport. you don't have to announce your departure 🧍‍♂️

[@iamhere1384]

@@milk.8793 doofus it’s a comment section, you do know what they are for yes? 🤨

[@milk.8793]

@@iamhere1384 oh please my point still stands 💀 just quietly leave, no one would notice or care my guy. like it's genuinely so funny seeing people on the internet say this, in any fandom. like, ok????? anyways... 🏃‍♂️and yea this is a comment section 🧍‍♂️ in the same vein, u can comment something completely irrelevant, i can reply and tell you how unnecessary it was 👨‍💻 doofus... but i assume you already knew that, yes? 🕵️‍♂️

[@arianesaldanhaa]

Speaking from my experience, I love BTS and was never able to get into any other group. Some songs? Sure, there are very good K-pop songs out there, but never felt the pull to other groups that I felt to BTS from the first song.

[@melissabarnes5176]

I think as far as BTS is concerned, it's not just about their music. Yes the music is great, there's such a variety in the styles of their songs. Some people like the rap more and some the pop side or the ballad side. But I think that part of their popularity is because of who they are as people. They're selfless, humble, kind and so genuine. I've never seen anyone/group who stan their fans as much as their fans stan them. They give us almost everything and that touches people. I have listened to other kpop songs and I do like a lot but it doesn't come close to my connection with BTS.

[@nancysharma2096]

i wd say that apply to every artist out there bc if you like any artist music you just listen their album/songs time to time when it drops but the thing will turn into major supporter or stan only when that artist appeals you as a person and attitude towards their audience.

[@veronicaalexandra4036]

I agree but actually I think that many groups are like this maybe you don't know them it's as deep as BTS and it's not hate because they are one of my ults

[@imbelongstolayjurajilpark5494]

That's your taught you guys always talk your opinions don't judge other fandoms and their groups

[@Kalakeiko]

Tbh there's many groups that also adore their fans a lot and have a deep connection to them.

[@sunshine7386]

Every artist lovedtheir fan but who never use payola or any methodsthat fluff theirnumber like adview and allthose? Its bts bcz they want their fan tobe proudofthem

[@avery6213]

Idk... the trend of telling army's to check out other groups or assuming why they like what they like and even going this far as to make a video "debunking" it?... weird. No one does it with other groups- leave us alone 😭😭

[@samthepancake69]

??? He's not debunking it at all, he's giving his opinion. This isn't an attack on ARMYs, just a commentary on a prejudicial viewpoint...

[@avery6213]

@@samthepancake69 well I'm not talking about the creator I'm talking about the video. You can call it what you want commentary, a view point but it's just annoying. Why does this need to be analyzed at all let's just like what we like

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@avery6213 I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@YGstan7chill]

It's completely fine to Stan only one group because we all have different preference when it comes to everything, but respect the rest who have work hard for their own dreams.

[@srey_p]

Boracity’ channel is a BTS channel so she’s speaking on her own opinions as well as adding facts to back up her argument. I agree with a lot of what she says but I also agree that there are groups like SVT and Stray Kids that self produce a lot of their music so yes there are some groups that write their own music. I think the main point she is trying to make is that a majority of K-pop groups do not write their own music so therefore the music they put out follows the usual k-pop sound. She’s not knocking on other groups it’s just what it is. I also listen to other groups but BTS is the only group that I can really say I can relate to their music. I’m by no means well verse in all the groups out there but I’ve listened to enough to know their is a certain sound to K-pop.

[@sunshineonmymind7055]

All the armys in the comments are really doing too much. BTS are an IDOL group, they've called themselves idols, they promote like idols, they're labeled k-pop under all their official info pages, not all korean pop is k-pop but BTS definitely are. Suck it up, babes, BTS aren't as special and different as y'all would like to believe, so buckle up because I'm about to write you a whole novel. bUT tHeY wRitE ThEir OWn muSIc!! So do a lot of groups, BigBang, Block B, Seventeen, Pentagon, Winner, EXID, (G)I-dle, Stray Kids, etc, and most idol bands like The Rose, Lucy, Day6, FTisland, and CNblue, and soloists like Youha (who doesn't have that many songs, unfortunately, but holds the credits to most of them), amongst other smaller groups like Nine.i and Ciipher. In fact, Ravi from Vixx is the idol with the most songs credited to his name. And those are just groups that write MOST of their own songs, pretty much every non-rookie has at least one member who writes/produces/composes even if their company doesn't let them release it officially, and most of these groups have numerous self-written b-sides to their name. bUT tHEy HaVe DEep LYriCs. Looking at their whole discography they have about the same ratio of "deep" vs "shallow" songs as a lot of groups, and that's okay! Not all music is supposed to have deep, meaningful lyrics (this is the MUSIC industry, not the POETRY industry), and even then you're probably missing the groups that do because you're only focused on BTS. SM artists often release more meaningful songs on their solo albums, like Jonghyun, Sulli, Taeyeon, Wendy, Chen, and Suho, and even then they have countless "deep" songs as b-sides on their group albums. Also, there are other groups who have released songs about mental health, like BigBang's "Loser", and other groups who have released songs about tragedies, like The Ark's "The Light". There are so many examples out there of title tracks, b-sides, and singles that have "deeper meanings", and groups like BTOB, BigBang, and BAP who regularly release songs with "deep" lyrics, I'm just convinced that armys don't bother to look. One google search and you'll find whole lists of "deep" songs. bUt tHEy HaVE a diVErsE DIscOGrapHy. The only reason you don't think other groups are diverse is because you don't bother to check them out. How are you going to say "I don't have to listen to other groups, stop forcing them on me" but say "other groups don't have diverse discographies" in the same breath? Look at SM groups, for example, NCT are one of the most musically diverse groups I've ever seen, they're experimental and go crazy with their titles but they always come back to soul, r&b, and classic hip-hop in their albums. I mean, just look at 127's most recent repack, Ay-Yo, where in just three new songs they dabble in hip-hop, soul, r&b, jazz, and pop while still sounding cohesive. EXO have dabbled in everything from ballad, to folk, to techno, to r&b, f(x) were the QUEENS of experimentation, and Aespa set so many trends that they changed the soundscape of 4th gen. bUt ThEy WEre tHe uNDerDoGs. BTS weren't as nugu or mistreated by the industry as older fans would like you to believe. Were they from a big company? No. Did they have tons of funding? No. Did they struggle more than a lot of other smaller companies? Also no. They're FIRST comeback was a financial success (comparatively) and not even two years after debut they had their first smash hit. They also got to perform on stage with Block B (who were popular at the time) at an awards show as ROOKIES, that doesn't happen to most groups even from mid-tier companies. BigHit had connections and that's how they were able to do that stuff, I know y'all don't like to believe it but Bang PD did have a leg-up thanks to JYP. Were there rough situations with MCs or hosts? Yeah, but most groups from smaller companies have had similar things happen, it was just the sad reality of the industry back then. Even groups like EXO were bullied by other entertainers when they were rookies so it's not a BTS-specific thing. There are plenty of other groups who had it tough financially as well, Infinite stayed in a two-room apartment for their first two years, they didn't even have beds or a bathroom in their dorm and they had to shower at the company building. Their ceo put his property up as collateral so they could shoot their debut MV, sounds a lot worse than BTS just borrowing their staff's truck, doesn't it? EXID were a few days away from disbandment when Hani's fancam blew them up and saved them. There are tons of sob stories in k-pop, Eunhyuk from SuJu grew up so poor that his family had to walk down the street just to use the toilet at a public restroom. BTS aren't that different in that regard so can we please let that half-true "humble roots" story go. bUt THey'rE KiNd ANd hUmBle. And? Idols are people, there's always going to be a mix of great, kind people and some not so kind people. Also, we don't know them in real life, just because they do "great" things for the camera doesn't mean they are really like that (not saying they're fake or performative, just saying that we don't know what they're like off camera). There are so many idols out there who are praised for their philanthropy, like Baekhyun from EXO who volunteered regularly at an orphanage for years without telling anyone, or Jaemin from NCT who has been doing charity work since he was a kid without making a big spectacle of it, and let's not forget the countless idols who have donated their own money to different causes over the years. And there are so many other examples. RM taught himself English? So did Key (SHINee) and Suho (EXO), not to mention all the other idols who were taught English or who have learned other languages like Japanese. BoA was 13-14 years old when she went to Japan and had to learn Japanese on her own without an interpreter. They were underground rappers? So were Mino (Winner), TOP (BigBang), Miryo (Brown Eyed Girls), Zico (Block B), Yongguk (BAP), etc. J-Hope was a street dancer? So was Roh Taehyun, Kang Daniel, Hayoung (fromis_9), The8 (Seventeen), etc. They love their fans ("more than other groups"). Astro's Moon Bin and Sanha bought food/coffee trucks for their fans who were waiting in line outside, Mujin from Kingdom handmade gifts for their fans for his BD celebration (he knitted scarves, he made lipbalms, hand creams, and candles, and even wrote letters for 100 days straight, all by himself), or N.Flying who did a full bow to their fans as a group after getting their first win. Honestly, the list goes on and on. BTS are a k-pop group just like all the others, they're not that different from their peers, Armys are just so blind to anything that's not BTS that they're caught in this toxic cycle of "BTS are the best and nothing compares". It's fine to only like one group, it's fine to not stan anyone else in k-pop, but don't sit there and make grand generalizations about an entire industry when you clearly don't know anything about it. If you've made it to the end then thanks for reading! I didn't make this to be mean or to say that BTS don't deserve their success or whatever, I'm just making this because I used to be a toxic Army who thought this way back when I first got into k-pop. I found out all this information on my own, piece by piece, and would have loved someone to make a post like this for me back then, maybe I would have gotten into my current favorite groups way sooner. The world of k-pop is so vast and exciting, maybe you'll only ever stan BTS but I always urge people to at least TRY and branch out before making final judgements about the industry.

[@Kalakeiko]

100% agreed and very well put! I've come across so many people that refer to the whole genre of Kpop as something to look down on and that it isn't music and that the artists cannot be called artists or talented and it frustrates me so much. Yes, BTS is talented and have worked really hard and yes, their music is unique and diverse with meaningful lyrics and different genres, but to pretend like they are the only group out there that does is completely wrong, the same goes for arguments like live singing, strong performances, family like brotherhoods and a genuine connection to their fan bases. Whether BTS has the best rappers, singers and dancers is also completely subjective and cannot be measured or confirmed as it is different for everyone. Groups like Monsta X, Stray Kids, NCT, Ateez and Big Bang are also known for their great rap lines. Groups like EXO, Shinee, NCT, Ateez and Seventeen have amazing vocalists that are considered some of the best and there are so many groups with really talented dancers and performers as well. In terms of having story lines and universes there's also TXT, Aespa, Ateez, Oneus, Enhypen, WayV, Monsta X to name a few. The amount of people putting down all of Kpop and acting like they aren't talented or unique in this comment section and several other platforms is ridiculous and wrong.

[@stolen_egg]

I think it's about how one view kpop. If you think It's a diss to the kpop industry, it's a diss. If you think it's not, it's not. Just depends on how you see the video. Perspective. There are tons of kpop groups to choose and many bring a different flavor. It's not wrong to like a lot of groups. The i think the issue most armys have with multis is not because they stan a lot of groups (though i don't think i could spend that much time, money , and effort on more than 1 group) but because there are multis out there that claim they stan BTS but throw them under the bus to uplift their other groups. I was into kpop for a very long time since 2nd gen and the climate has changed a lot i think. Back then mostly only international fans would stan more than 1 group but in S.Korea, you would be labelled as a traitor and would most probably be shunned from the Korean fandom. That is why back then there is such a disconnect between Korean fans and international fans. Kpop is an industry after all so groups are mostly created for profit. With the idol training system created it would be more benefitting to the company/agency when they take control over everything. Kpop agencies invested a lot in those groups and they don't want it to be wasted. Kpop to the west is to idol music in S.Korea. That is how I understand it to be.

[@chisays9936]

Maybe coz Im older person? My playlist includes - Rammstein, The Clash, BTS, Debussy, One ok rock, David Bowie, Muse, Luis Armstrong, Ruelle... and list goes on. I do like watch kpop MVs (and making them) and in my playlist is few songs from other kpop artist (IU, Shinee, Jonghyun, Bumkey...). In my christmaslist (from kpop) are one song from 17, TxT, Got7, Exo (could be few more...) happily with Coldplay, Elvis, The Smashing Pumpkins, BTS, My Chemical Romance and... songs. I have no clue how many views, awards, fans, streams... are eny of those and happily dont care😅💜. Greetings from the edge of Europe

[@Kalakeiko]

Agreed! I've come across so many people that refer to the whole genre of Kpop as something to look down on and that it isn't music and that the artists cannot be called artists or talented and it frustrates me so much. Yes, BTS is talented and have worked really hard and yes, their music is unique and diverse with meaningful lyrics and different genres, but to pretend like they are the only group out there that does is completely wrong, the same goes for arguments like live singing, strong performances, family like brotherhoods and a genuine connection to their fan bases. Whether BTS has the best rappers, singers and dancers is also completely subjective and cannot be measured or confirmed as it is different for everyone. Groups like Monsta X, Stray Kids, NCT, Ateez and Big Bang are also known for their great rap lines. Groups like EXO, Shinee, NCT, Ateez and Seventeen have amazing vocalists that are considered some of the best and there are so many groups with really talented dancers and performers as well. In terms of having story lines and universes there's also TXT, Aespa, Ateez, Oneus, Enhypen, WayV, Monsta X to name a few. The amount of people putting down all of Kpop and acting like they aren't talented or unique in this comment section and several other platforms is ridiculous and wrong.

[@vermillionorange]

No need to be so defensive. If the group is not part of the "stereotype", then good..? But let's be honest, it's all facts. I've been exposed to kpop since 2012, and only stan BTS in 2015 to this day. Do I check out other kpop songs? Yeah, if I feel like it. But I only buy albums and concert tickets of BTS because I'm their fan. I see the difference so why crucify us for not liking other groups?

[@dramasfc07]

BTS's roots are korean but they are global group now you can't change that, that's the fact Also it's not like I do not listen to others, i listen to blackpink, skz, txt, enhypen, mamamoo, twice, seventeen, and so many other groups too and i appreciate good music but BTS is above all you have to accept

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@disaster4550]

god forbid someone likes bts but doesn't like this weird channel 😭not everyone must have toxic twitter stans opinions, calm down comments

[@Kalakeiko]

Agreed. The sheer toxicity in this comment section is annoying to say the least.

[@isha.sarraf]

Multi can't think critically because they like many groups so the can't accept that BTS is much more than other k-pop groups

[@doradokarlal.3275]

Me: I like mangoes. Them: You must like mango float. It is way better!. Me: I said I like MANGOES!!. What part of mangoes do you not understand?

[@nancysharma2096]

no way you said you like sticker by nct let's be real 💀 bts didn't really had grammy thought when they dropped those three english singles bc if you think about it dyna,butter,ptd won't happen if it wasn't for pandemic and if you followed their interviews them explaining how these songs came into being. they described it as happy songs which were needed in pandemic. pop songs are usually fun and do not have much msgable meaning into the lyrics BUT bts intentions dropping english singles definitely hold a msgable back up story. ppl ignore as if mots7/BE neva happened side by when bts dropped English singles only to say "it doesn't sound like bts" "they changed"

[@minholic2390]

I fuck with sticker its experimental and totally my type of music I strongly dislike bts's music some of their tracks are decent tho at the end of the day music is subjective you can't force your opinion on anyone

[@aishUu02]

@@minholic2390 you said everything that was on my mind 😩

[@iAmNoLongerHere2]

There's nothing wrong with liking Sticker.

[@nancysharma2096]

@@minholic2390 music might be subjective but its easy to recognize if the the song is bad and it didn't do well on charts too.

[@minholic2390]

@@nancysharma2096 and the song isn't bad just not for everyone sticker surprisingly did very well on korean charts and is the song that got nct most wins and I get your point music is subjective at the same time there's good music too in that case nct's music is objectively better then bts did You see the structure of their songs the way they utilize their rap verses and vocals on their songs the harmonies on their songs sm artist in general never lack with Layerings I'm saying this cuz I've seen multiple yt reactors who mostly reacts to bts getting canceled by armys for saying they like certain group's music over bts and it was mostly nct and skz which says alot

[@itspribanerjee]

Kev I feel whenever I thought some point you said that, so I mostly have same views. Idk about other stuff but this I do agree, just cuz you like one group you don't have to like kpop cuz i dont and cant either. And also you can causally like a song/music without being their fan since thats how i have been. Like even before I got into Korean music, I was same with Western music. I liked the song but wouldnt be a fan as in indulge in activities and stuffs. Same here. I mostly started out as Kdrama watcher in around 2016 and the songs i listened to more was ost. But i did listen to kpop songs like bts, seventeen, exo, bigbang, blackpink, stray kids etc and did like it all. I could just never turn into a fan of kpop or a group until 2022. Now I am a Carat. It is my first time ever liking a group or staning but I would still call myself a kdrama fan than kpop fan. And even now i cant be a hardcore fan and just do until what is my limit, and i still like to listen to other songs just not seventeen. And even with seventeen i came cross them in like 2018, as in their songs (mostly ost) and i came across Dont Wanna Cry in 2020 and it has been my ringtone since then yet I became a fan in 2022. And similaraly to BTS, I have listen to so much of their song and and there were times where i knew info and stuff of them as an non-army too. So you can love a artists art and be respectful without being part of the fandom too. And I relate to Kevin say that we love various arists content but not sure if we can call ourself as army/carats/stays/exol/blinks etc. Cuz we cant or dont do all fan activities as others. And I have felt that too. Even now I feel and wonder am I really a carat tho? Like i love the boys and their music and content and these days its just them i watch but i havent and cant watch all their stuffs and induge in all related fan activity so yea... So anyways basically I feel we can and should enjoy whichever music we want, be it from a single artist or various artist but in doing so not put down other artist and know that there might be other artists having good stuffs too, maybe we just dont know it, and yes i do agree there might be not-good stuffs too and there maybe stuffs from artists whom you like which is not upto your taste hehe. (alsooo damn i wrote a bigggg comment which i am not sure if it makes sense also not. lol Sorry for the long comment) Also Kevin loved your reaction and how respectful you kept all your points. Both for and against.

[@maestetico]

I agree that BTS is different from the whole industry, but I think that in k-pop there are also other groups that also stand out, that also convey their thoughts, in which there are various songs. to consider the entire industry the same is also not correct. Just as people may only listen to BTS, they may also be interested in someone else. I came to k-pop thanks to them, but often the army, due to the fact that they prove to everyone that BTS paved the way, which is confirmed and appreciated by all fandoms and the artists of other groups themselves, creates a bad impression about themselves. You just don't need to devalue anyone and respect the opinions of others)

[@kuroro9949]

"Confirmed and appreciated by all fandoms and artists" is crazy untrue. You can't say things like that when BTS and ARMYs have been bullied, mocked and sabotaged since day 1 and still are to this day. Some fans from other fandoms and some artists recognize it, and we are grateful for it, but they are not the majority sadly. I appreciate your positive view though

[@zuzannabrzeszczak1578]

I consider myself and Army, but also a K-pop fan. ,,Multifandom" is a term nowadays that many people use, & I identify with it. I also listen to Polish music, Thai music, American music, etc., the point is, if sth or sb catches my eye, then I will pay attention and support. Ofc I have my own life, and I don't always have time to be informed about everything, but that's just cause I treat music as a hobby. I love exploring and seeing what people do and I try my best to be open-minded. It's not that hard. Being an Army doesn't mean you have to be focused only on Bts. DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO. Borahae. 💜💜

[@masah8314]

'I treat music as a hobby' that's the point. I feel like lots of people treat being a fan like a job, and get too serious about it...

[@anushka8144]

army is only for bts, multis are not armys. 44

[@disaster4550]

@@anushka8144 how does this make sense if even the video says to be an army you just have to like their music?

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@anushka8144 That isn't true at all. You can be a fan of a group and support them and do the same with other artists and groups.

[@pacificpacific]

My God, the level of defensive you were through the entire video Stop talking non stop and listen. You may actually understand more. Yes there are groups like NCT, Mamamoo but where does it say that I have to like them all and spend my money on them? I love music from around the world AND I love BTS. I love some songs of some artists and I add more to the list but Kpop as a whole is not my thing. I will never be able to stan bp or stray kids or nct just because kpoppies want me because they don't represent my preference.

[@randomperson1681]

*looks around the comments* wow..its brutal out here😥... pls respect eachother

[@Kalakeiko]

Agreed. It's not hard at all to respect other people's opinions without bashing each other for no reason.

[@CupofLoffee]

Yeah psy become more like a meme

[@Kalakeiko]

On the topic of songs about meaningful themes in Kpop, here's some about political, social and mental health issues: Yoon Mirae (Tasha) - Black Happiness (fighting discrimination & growing up with a intercultural identity in Korea) Miss A - I Don't Need A Man (celebrate the independence of women) Loveholics - Butterfly Jaurim - Deviations F(x) - Red Light (political commentary abiut the poor way the South Korean government responded to the Sewol Ferry tragedy) Sunny Hill - Princess and Prince Charming (song criticises how people get calculative when searching for love) Big Bang - Loser (ugly side of fame & feeling isolated) Twice - Likey (pressures of social media & being perfect) Dreamcatcher - Maison (the effects of climate change) Day6 - Zombie (mental illness & inner darkness) B.A.P - Wake Me Up, Power & Badman (mental health, depression, anxiety, body image) Pentagon - Basquiat Ateez - Guerilla (sociopolitical ideologies of utopia and anarchist revolt against it) Dreamcatcher - Scream, Boca & Odd Eye (the topic of dealing and handling verbal and cyber bullying with Scream being in the perspective of a person being attacked and Boca in the perspective of someone who is protecting a bullied person) H.O.T - I-yah (adult's misstreatment of children) H.O.T - Warrior's Descendant (anti-bullying & the cover of the group Oneus changes the message to how you shouldn't fight violence with violence) Purple Kiss - Bye Bye Bully (song about bullying where the choreo shows the one being bullied becoming the bully and vise versa) (G)-IDLE - Tomboy, Lion & Nxde (touches on shattering the expectations and stereotypes of women's representation in society) NCT U - The 7th Sense (based off a book from 1984 & has double meanings connected to dreams/sleep (nct concept) & breaking out of facism via protest of a new generation (also NCT concept) NCT 127 - Mad City (song written by the members Taeyong & Mark pre-debut about the baseless hatred against them since their debut in 2016 & how they will continue to move forward & make music despite their words & the way they are bashed) AKMU - Hey Kid, Close Your Eyes (about children living in war zones) EXO - MAMA (about focusing too much on technology instead of human relationships) Mamamoo - 4x4ever (about cyber bullying) Sechskie - School Byeolguk (criticism of the educational system) Brown Eyed Girls - Sixth Sense (anti fascism) Girl's Day - Female President (political message about havin a female president) Girls Generation - Into the New World (political protests and demonstrations) Lee Hi - Breathe & Holo (mental health) Kang Daniel - Paranoia (mental health) Sunmi - Borderline & Noir (mental health) 2NE1 - Ugly (mental health & body image) Seventeen - Trauma (mental health, depression) Seventeen - Pop Song Shinee's Kim Jonghyun ft. Taeyeon - Lonely (mental health, depression, loneliness) Kang Seungyoon - Iyah Dynamic Duo ft. EXO's Chen - Nosedive WJSN - Happy Dreamcatcher - Piri (mental health, depression, anxiety) Glam - Infront of the Mirror (body image) Black Swan - Rainbow TXT - Crown (self-identity, pressure of being like everyone else & not fitting in) Hwasa - Maria Blackpink - You Never Know G-Dragon - Obsession (unhealthy obsession) Taeyeon - Fine SanE - Counselor Amber Liu - Borders Stray Kids - Mirror & Insomnia Epik High ft. Sunwoo JungA - In Seoul CIX - Numb Taeyeon - Dear Me Stray Kids Changbin ft. Bangchan - Streetlight Ateez - Mist Monsta X's Kihyun - Youth Huh Yunjin - I =/= Doll

[@iamhere1384]

I just don’t like K-pop. To me bts is not considered K-pop as they have grown far beyond that title. It’s funny how K-pop Stan’s want army to like their favorite groups so much as well. Y’all either hate us or love us, but don’t EVER use us. Leave armys alone ✌️

[@Kalakeiko]

I think the main reason for that is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.

[@iamhere1384]

@@Kalakeiko that doesn’t at all excuse the hate they get. BTS has the success they have for a reason. It’s not our fault or their fault that K-pop will never be where they are.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@iamhere1384 I never said it was or that they deserve the hate they get. I'm just saying that part of the reason why BTS and Army have a bad reputation is the toxicity of them fandom (not everyone, I know) and people discrediting other talented and hardworking artists or Kpop in general in favour of praising BTS. I don't agree that any group or artist has to be on "BTS' standard or level" to be good at all. Fame doesn't matter.

[@iamhere1384]

@@Kalakeiko toxicity is not part of the reason army and bts get hate. Bc if that were the case then EVERY K-pop group and their fandoms would have the same level of hate but they don’t. It’s bc army is the biggest fandom so the bad of it is almost always on display and gets blown out of proportion. Everyone knows not to blame the toxicity of a fandom on the artist so the reason bts get hate by kpoppies is bc they’re jealous and have serious hate boners for them. BTS doesn’t just have fame. They have the numbers to match, have been through the most, and have worked the hardest with what they were given- which was practically nothing.

[@Kalakeiko]

@@iamhere1384 I know that every fandom has toxicity in it and that it depends on the size of the fandom, but the reason for the majority of discourse here is because of people putting down other groups and Kpop in general when there's many talented and diverse groups Kpop groups that aren't generic or uninspired or not passionate about what they're doing. And while I agree that BTS is great and definitely worked hard, so have other groups who also had to work their way up from nothing, especially the older ones and even more so those from smaller companies and the level of success often doesn't mean that someone is more or less talented than the other, but a big part also has to do with whether or not their company and label promotes and supports them properly. There's many groups that are super talented and hardworking that deserve to be more popular and successful and could be if they had more support and promotions from their agency. Luck also plays a part.

[@gabbytiny]

My personal opinion is you like whatever you want to like. I was first introduced to kpop thanks to one of my students that show me some BTS’ and EXO’s songs in 2018. I really liked much more BTS’ music than exo’s and I only listen to BTS for a few months, until I began to listen to other kpop groups, and even though I liked the style, I felt more connected to BTS’s music and the members. And it was like that for almost 3 years until I met Ateez. And now I cannot imagine not listing to them, I loooveeee their music and the members personalities. What I want to say with all this is, I wish I wasn’t so closed minded to only listen to bts because of xyz reason, so I could’ve found atz so much earlier in their career, I also love BTS so much. And this kind of videos keep making kpop be seen as a bad thing and smth I should be ashamed about. And a lot of it it’s true, but maybe more in the us than anywhere else, cause at least where I live, listening to BTS is still “Chinese music” to most people and that’s sad (and racist wtf) :(

[@samthepancake69]

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I joined ARMY twitter in October of 2018, and I was shoved into this bubble mindset of "kpop and kpop stans are anti-army, don't interact with them" and i developed a strong bias against exo and exo-ls because of that, even though the first kpop mv i watched was exo's "overdose" in 2014, i didn't want to like/stan them because of the beef with ARMY, i was afraid that i'd get BULLIED!!!! along with that, I wasn't willing to take the time to learn a whole new group when I had BTS that I loved so much. I thankfully found GOT7 (through Namjoon and Jackson's friendship

[@jennelaranha]

BTS did do a lot of work for kpop but its not right to bash other groups for what they have done , there are alot of groups that did try other concepts and try genres even before BTS was a thing, i agree with most things kevin said , but i believe the creator should also try to be openminded and explore a little more. For ex , SEVENTEEN started producing before BTS was popular but just debut later , with GOT7 as well they wanted to produce but were not given the freedom to , so i feel the kpop industry was itself changing as the times went by.

[@JkLina13]

Boracityt didn't bashed or disrespected anyone , if seventeen was on her background it doesn't mean she bring them as examples of anything been said during their appearance. When she addres to a group she clearly say THE OTHER GROUP and u clearly see their name on video . She mostly bring groups of big3 as examples and CUZ they being named THE NEXT BTS ! If u care to check her content u will understand when she bring idols as examples and the reasons behinde . Boracity is BTS army and hers content is literally FACTS cuz she not just giving opinions like other yt creators do she bring visible facts to defende her statements EVEN IF these statements with visible facts and numbers doesn't making happy some kpopies and multistans ! But u can't say she is not open minded WHEN SHES LITERALY BTS ARMY !

[@jennelaranha]

@@JkLina13 how does being a BTS stan make you open-minded, im an army too since 2013 i dont wanna argue but if u pay a little attention you see her mention svt on the screen in a lot of places , during the charts , albums sales etc may it not be taking seventeens name or having them on the screen is enough to hint at it . i dont have to check their content they should just mention it , also , all she said was if u like music stan BTS wht does that mean , other writers , producers what about them? , You clearly enjoy her content bc it caters to your liking and don't see the bashing done on other idols and groups be it big groups or smaller groups. sooo have funn its just my opinion.

[@JkLina13]

@@jennelaranha hun kpop idol music isn't deep or meaningful.. most idols sing about things they not experience, they might being part of writing process but their songs doesn't reflect them . Why does Koreans different kpop music from idol music ? Cuz untill bts speaking about unspeakable it was not a thing in kpop . If u an army you should know that kpop idol music is not about lyrics while since beginning bts stepping on lyrics asking on their live streams to pay attention to lyrics and that there is nothing fake its their inner thoughts and messenge they want to send thrue their music ... THAT Is WHAT SHE MEAN ! And I am 100% agreed.....! when you say other idols also write or produce before bts I say their lyrics was shallow not deep not meaningful no messenge there It was just song , while bts music reflect their path their fears their musical touch and resonate with listeners ! Idol music were bashed by rappers and other artists years before, that was the main reason of Namjoon being confused about who he is an artists an idol or whatever, cuz when bts turned to idols ppl and their own peers start questioning about CUZ idol music isn't real music . Idk if u understand my point but boracity states are 100% facts . I didn't became army cuz bts are just handsome boys who dance great cuz every single kpop group got it , I became army cuz of their personalities, music , lyrics , poetry , backstory, hardships , struggles ! They are different from other kpop idols they are ARTISTS, they gained the spotlight by being different not by being similar to other idol groups .

[@JkLina13]

@@jennelaranha ty for nice conversation and wish you all the best 👍

[@sunshineonmymind7055]

@@JkLina13 Okay, I'm tired of seeing your dumb bullshit littered through this comment section. The reason we bash armys is because y'all spread LIES and MISINFORMATION. You're so convinced that everything you're saying is true because you've fallen into a toxic pit of delusion created by other toxic armys to keep BTS on the top through overexaggerated narratives based on half-truths. So we're going to pick apart your argument because it's half-baked just like BTS. 1. BTS were not the first ones to bring "deep, meaningful" lyrics to the k-pop table, nor were they the first group to talk about difficult topics. Both self-producing and non-self producing groups were putting out these songs since 1992 with Seo Taiji and the Boys, who wrote (by THEMSELVES) songs about the flawed education system, teenage runaways, and the difficulties of being top musicians. H.O.T debuted with a song addressing school violence in 1996 and also put out songs like "Hope" which spread the message of working together to get to a better tomorrow. In 2015, The Ark debuted with "The Light" which was made as an homage to the student victims of the Sewol Ferry accident, with lyrics that touched on loss and about finding someone you can lean on when times get tough. Jonghyun (SHINee) often wrote songs touching on mental health, like the song he wrote for LeeHi, "Breathe", or some of his own songs like "Lonely" or "Let Me Out", and groups like BigBang self-produced songs like "Loser" which did the same thing. Also, to say that NO k-pop songs are deep or meaningful, or that NO group is able to experience what they write about, is a flat out lie and just ridiculously wrong in every way. Girls Generation's debut song, "Into The New World" is about friendship and diving headfirst into new experiences and the fear they have of that, how would they not understand that? It's literally what they're experiencing at that moment and it's become such an anthem amongst minority groups in Korea because of that relatability. Taeyeon as a soloist now often releases songs like "Set Myself On Fire" or "Dear Me" which tackle the difficulties she's had as an artist. Mark (NCT) released his first solo song "Child" which talked about how he had to grow up fast, experience difficulties and emotions he wasn't ready for, and how that's affected him in adulthood. 2. BTS were FAR from the only group to have struggles. Infinite's dorm was two rooms with no beds and no bathroom, no heat during the winter and with the pipes always leaking they had mold problems, they slept side by side on the floor in an empty room for two years before they were able to move somewhere else. They had so little money that if they spent money on food during the day they wouldn't have enough for transportation home. Their CEO put his house up as collateral so they could debut. And yet, by 2012 they were topping the charts and were rivaling Big3 groups for popularity, the first non-Big3 group to do so. YG wasn't the the company it is today when BigBang debuted, the members barely had money to buy food and they often had to rotate who got what to make sure everyone got SOMETHING. They also lived in a tiny, rat-infested dorm at debut and had to clean the company building themselves. The price of debut was so expensive for them that YG almost disbanded the group but they persevered and built YG as we know today on their own hard work and skills. And there are so many other cases, even from companies like SM, before EXO debuted all 12 of them were crammed into a tiny dorm that was so small they had to eat in the hallway when all of them were home, they couldn't afford anything other than three rice balls and one can of soda between the 12 of them that they all had to share. Even when they debuted they were bullied by netizens and other entertainers for their concepts and it wasn't until the release of Growl and Overdose that people started to take them seriously. Even before they were trainees there were idols like Eunhyuk (Super Junior), who grew up so poor that his family had to walk down the street to use a public restroom because their home didn't have toilets. Or Seungyoon (Winner) who's father abandoned him when he was a child, who dropped out of middleschool to be in a gang, who picked up music as a coping mechanism because his mother's business went under and she started drinking to deal with it, he didn't even know his father had passed until years later. There are so many idols out there who became idols because they wanted to earn a lot of money quickly at a young age, to deal with their parents' debt, to pay their family's medical bills, etc. BTS isn't special or different because they had struggles, and other groups aren't worse in comparison because YOU think they DIDN'T struggle. 3. BTS are not the unique, trend-setters you think they are. Oh, they debuted in 2013 with a hip-hop concept? Sorry to tell you but Block B and BAP had already done that. Oh, they had acrobatics? 2PM, Speed, and even BTOB (for a hot second) got there first (and did it better). They had underground rappers? Not the first by a mile, Miryo (Brown Eyed Girls) and TOP (BigBang) debuted in 2006 with other rappers like Zico (Block B), Kyung (Block B), Yongguk (BAP), and LE (EXID) all following close behind. Self-produced? Not even correct as they've never been truly independent, they're CO-producers and even if they weren't Seo Taiji was self-producing before they were even born. Every concept they've done has been done before: Hip-Hop, school concept, runaways, having lore (and even the comic book idea was already taken), whatever concept BST is called, having solo projects for every member, the retro thing, having english releases, promoting in the US, doing interviews in foreign countries (BoA and TVXQ had them beat by 15+ years), the classical, contemporary thing, mega-stages, the list goes on and on, everything BTS has tried other groups had already beaten them to it. K-pop is so vast and unique, just because you listened to one song by three popular groups and couldn't see anything special doesn't mean there isn't a whole industry out there to explore. There are bands, like Lucy and The Rose, who do more acoustic songs, or groups like NCT127 who dabble a lot in soul, R&B, and classic hip-hop in their albums, or NCT Dream who have done everything from bubblegum pop to psychedelia. Groups like AKMU who have done folk and almost country-adjacent music, Brown Eyed Girls and Mamamoo who have done Broadway/musical style songs, SHINee who have been the kings of retro since debut, or TVXQ! who were the R&B kings before diving into Big-Band and ragtime styles. You don't have to like or stan other groups but don't sit there and LIE about topics you clearly know nothing about. BTS weren't unique then and the only thing they're unique for now is having the most insufferable fandom of all time. So, that's it, I'm not saying anything else because I've already typed a whole damn novel. The reason you think people are always after BTS is because you as fans lie about what they've done and then call people "haters" for trying to correct you, don't make false claims unless you're willing to be called out for it.

[@ayoidek6571]

5:06 they’re such cornballs oh my 💀

[@011mph]

I honestly think those people who try to distance bts from kpop are weirdos. kpop is a unique and fascinating industry and bts are a strong part of it. that's just a fact.

[@ellengustina]

i think it's bcs bts is beyond kpop. they didn't follow kpop stereotypes. the only thing they follow is the trainee system. and after that, they are such a freedom artist which majority of kpop idols didn't have. and even know, they are at different league. they are global musicians along with Taylor, Drake, Ari, etc. and who else in kpop scene who sold out stadiums all over the world like they did. even US artist struggling to do that

[@011mph]

@@ellengustina except being popular in the US doesn't make bts not kpop. that's like saying Kara and SNSD aren't kpop just because they broke barriers in Japan lol. kpop is an umbrella term for an industry that bts very much fall under and they themselves have never claimed to not be kpop.

[@ellengustina]

@@011mph if kpop means "korean popular" then i agree. if it means bts is following korean idols stereotypes i disagree. so yeahh it's up to the audience to call them kpop or not. it's been on discussion by music critics tho. and what bts did isnt only broke US market but global music market if i must say. they are on top list of mega musicians. kara and snsd was so big, i agree, but like u said, it's especially in Asia. it's far from bts impacts.

[@011mph]

@@ellengustina exactly! being popular outside of korea doesn't mean it's not kpop anymore. some fans make no sense 😂

[@JkLina13]

​@@011mphexcept kpop = idol music and korean pop = korean popular music ! These are 2 different statuses . Idols are kpop but artists doesn't include into that category! Bts outgrown that clishe status of being kpop idols , Koreans themselves acknowledged bts as artists not idols ! Their music contains Han its like soul or something similar, there is fragment where boracity explain the reason why bts doesn't consider kpop idols but artists ! We ain't just tralalal from nothing , bts themselve hade excluded themself from kpop idol category and have mentioned as bts pop cuz they themselves can be genre consider how wide their range of genre is ! U think armys just woke up one day and say that bts are not kpop anymore ? Koreans included bts in to Artists statuse and they deserve being there ! Bts put SK in radar !

[@CupofLoffee]

You guys have watched bts for years and their shows albums and music so yes ur an army 💜

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Why I mainly listen to BTS and Lesserafim is bcos I got into BTS in late 2014, and Lesserafim before Debut last year, BTS got me into BTS not Kpop, Imo I don't like most other group's music, especially Stray Kid's & NCT, mainly bcos Stray Kid's song's give me headache's, NCT song's are just too much, same with Aespa, how I genuinely feel about Stray Kid's is that they are like a mixture of NCT & Seventeen, writing their own music like SVT and making loud personally annoying Instrumental's that cause my headaches to begin with, I never really caught headache's prior to them, they are not bad group's but what I hate the most is when Stay's going on Other Kpop group KZbin vids and constantly saying Stray Kid's are the best when they are far from that, their is no doubt the idea of SKZ being experimental and writing their own music n such has to be from Hitman Bang and JYP connection's, like how Hitman Bang and Pledis CEO are buddies, same with JYP and Bang Si Hyuk I can say Same with Blink's on Twitter, alway's keeping BlackPink relevant by mentioning BTS in same sentence, and the Media Play that even fan's used to call BlackPink the Biggest Girl Group which is false, Stats suggest otherwise

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

People can denie this all they want as it doesn't mean they are correct, people need to accept that their faves are not the Best or the Biggest especially Blink's that have higher delusional minds than Mental Patient's, hope those in those situation's figure what is true before they get swalled up in lies and manipulation

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

I agree with everything Boracity said bcos it is all true 100% Especially the Kpop Journalist, you have no right telling aka forcing other's to listen to other group's bcos that is wrong in every way, I tried that and it failed, apart from Seventeen, those Journalist's need to accept that BTS fan's can't be controlled into liking other's especially if it isn't the right way about it to begin with, BTS makes music for all types of people, not just poppy music or Ballad or R&B, they have a wide range that most group's don't have bcos they follow concept's. Talk about Concept's BTS Love Yourself After BTS Finished their Love Yourself Trio other groups mainly 2019 upwards started making songs about Self Love and Acceptance, which BTS started in the Trio, nobody made music on those in Kpop prior to BTS, not impactful anyway, BTS make's people understand them even if u don't speak Korean, the genuineness from their song's make u feel their sincerity that other groups lack bcos they don't:t do stuff themselves, it is mostly made for them

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Loving yourself isn't a concept but a part of everyone, if u don't love yourself then u will never truly Love Someone Else properly

[@disaster4550]

Sorry you had such an experience with other fandoms, but I wouldn't pay attention to such comments cuz most of the time its just kids, lol, and ofc they dont represent the majority. Everyone believes their favs are the best, and they are allowed to have that opinion if they're not hateful to other artists (imo). There will always be music that is just not for you.. as long as everyone is respectful it is not a problem.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines, I'd like to recommend TXT (Tomorrow x Together), which is a 5 member boy group under the same company as BTS and is considered to be their brother group. They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, Wr Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more. There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few. In terms of vocalists there's also EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT. I'm not going to force you to listen to other groups, but please don't treat Kpop as a genre like it is something to look down on and like it doesn't have talented, diverse and unique artists, because it does.

[@StayVCA98]

Well thanks for this and again this only justifies how the general Armpits think here as a whole in the comments, they are so delusional with their grps success they think there above everyone else in this SAME industry and in the Genre itself!! Like their logic and forced narrative of this overrated of a grp thinking they aren't Kpop both in genre and as their origin is like their fellow Army Ollie London thinks he's a pure korean when he isn't lmao...

[@Kalakeiko]

Agreed. I have nothing against BTS at all, but I hate how Army's pretend like BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and as if Kpop as a genre is something to look down on when it isn't. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now.

[@Kalakeiko]

They make some valid points, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more. There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few. In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT. As for groups and idols that write and produce their own music, there's Stray Kids for example who is entirely self produced in terms of music, lyrics and concepts as well as having chosen the members, name and logo with the songs being written by their 3Racha subunit that consists of Bangchan, Changbin and Han. Monsta X has Jooheon, I.M and Hyungwon write lyrics and produce songs and choosing concepts and themes, Soyeon from (G)I-DLE also writes and produces their music and chooses their concepts as well, the same goes for Seventeen where Woozi, S.Coups, Hoshi, Vernon, Mingyu, The8, Seungkwan, Bumzu and several others write and produce their music. Then there's several other Kpop artists that write and produce their own lines and solo music and concepts as well, such as EXO, GOT7, 2PM, BTOB, WINNER, MAMAMOO, PENTAGON, BIGBANG or SHINee. TXT also has very meaningful lyrics and stories that a lot of people can relate and connect to, including the members and they too write lyrics and verses and are involved in the production. I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.

[@ima-juju]

Need more BTS reactions💜️

[@foxpaw1]

Its not just bts writing, producing, and having artistic license. Some bands are being allowed that as they try to follow bts' lead. But they are still in companies where the ego of the owner is paramount to their artistry. This is also about how bts did not rise WITHIN the system. They were diminished on tv shows, award shows. They communicated w their fans directly out of necessity. The other companies controlled the market. They were also put together by a small company that needed them to be talented enough to contribute to the artistry cuz thats less expenditure. To this day you dont get coverage in articles, tv etc IN Korea about the biggest band in the world. You seem to want to defend the industry. Make excuses. For instance, I like other bands, but BlackPink barely has a discography mostly made recently... so their popularity is all manufactured w very little about music... which they really have nothing to do with. Bts is an anomoly. When the industry tries to replicate that success, theyre still doing it within industry parameters... which means limits.

[@CallingYunhoes]

firsttt

[@texartthoughts5581]

If you like bts music quality and masterclass you will hate k pop

[@disaster4550]

then how do yo uexplain people who like both lol

[@texartthoughts5581]

@@disaster4550 those are Farud. They pretend to like bts just to be cool

[@disaster4550]

@@texartthoughts5581 or people can just like both ._. it sounds a bit childish tbh, there are many other groups with good quality music, this fact doesn't diminish bts in any way

[@texartthoughts5581]

@@disaster4550 in kpop black pink nct era music os utter disgusting embarrassing music. new jeans le sserafim txt some k rock and k hipo hop artist has good sound but they still below standards. Just if you listen bts music and understand the artistry you will never like other kpop

[@disaster4550]

@@texartthoughts5581 ok I get it now, yall hate army multis cuz their existense contradicts this whole idea that "after getting into bts you will hate other groups" lol.