Why NASCAR's Cars Keep Getting Worse

[@VinceMoscar]

Thanks everyone for watching and commenting. Here's some corrections based on your feedback: 1 - The Gen 4 and 5 horsepower was about 900 (to be more specific than ">700" at 4:09) 2 - The teams still build the engines, so Kyle Busch's engine blowing up was probably more on JGR/TRD than NASCAR. 3 - I did not mean to call the Gen 4 era safe, or safer than today. There were countless fatalities. The point I was trying to highlight was that the car's safety was underrated, and that many of the safety improvements were not car-specific (HANS device, SAFER barriers, better helmets and belts, etc.) Thanks again for watching and let me know if you have any other corrections!

[@sixtyonefrogsinatrenchcoat]

gen 4 and 5 are my favorites, it feels like a lot of personality left the sport when they went to gen 6 and now it's even worse with gen 7. I used to watch every race, now I end up bored not even 5 minutes in. I think the strictness of the regulations was what killed my interest personally. at this point it's like watching a bunch of the same car with different stickers race each other, which is boring. the individuality of the drivers and teams was what made it interesting, and it feels like none is left.

[@JonathanGaeta]

And now the Gen 7 car is taking out veteran drivers like a hit list. It already took Kurt Busch away into retirement, who knows how long it’ll be before they take out more drivers and force them into retirement. Something has to be done but since NASCAR is NASCAR these days it’s highly unlikely they’ll make any safety changes to the Gen 7.

[@GlizzyBeans]

And gen 7 has good racing

[@MTJfan2017]

Well didn’t all of the nascar cars have the same body style during the c.o.t. Days?

[@GlizzyBeans]

@@MTJfan2017 exactly

[@GlizzyBeans]

@@MTJfan2017 cot was fine after they got rid of the wing

[@TimothyWenger]

“JOHNSON! I believe he got eem by an inch!” “TWO… ONE THOUSANDTHS OF A SECOND!” “Ok, 1/16th of an inch.” All time classic DW call

[@LexyThomas134]

For a start, at least bring back the Horsepower

[@KyleBusch-2023]

remember in 2014 with the 920 hp engine that was the fastest season of nascar. ( beside's 1985 and 1987.)

[@g_men2121]

Screw that

[@LexyThomas134]

@@g_men2121 Why? Racing was A LOT better. It fell off as soon as they started changing everything, including dropping the horsepower. Now this new car has safety issues because they're too stiff. They need to stop changing things

[@HYPRACTVE]

You do know that up until 2021 the teams themselves built the cars with a template from nascar to follow right. The gen 7 or next gen is the first true car nascar has actually built

[@bobhope7557]

A true stock car in a backwards way lol

[@pmurphy18]

I really appreciate your optimism that it can be fixed at the end. I think way too many people just say it was bad in its first year so it’ll be bad forever. I say we try to be more positive!

[@bungieman2810]

Facts!

[@johnvandeventer8668]

I will say the superspeedways although it hasn’t been as good as like the tandem drafting days, I still think it’s pretty good for the Next Gens

[@DMR_Videos]

imo the gen 5 should have been continued off of. it had the 850 horsepower the gen 4 had, but since it had more side force the cars were able to be driven crazy sideways. I mean look at any CoT highlights video on intermediates and those cars were INSANE

[@thejman3489]

5:33 Correction: They had a little over 900hp back in 2014. Each year they cut the power down a little bit. 850hp, 800hp, 750hp, then 550hp. To put this in context: with 900hp at tracks like Kansas and Charlotte they could hit top speeds of 205mph, then they would have to brake down to 180mph to make the corner. With 550hp they would hit top speeds of 185mph and they wouldn't have to lift off the gas for the corner.

[@superxavxii421]

Not a big Nascar fan, im an F1 guy. But my favorite Nascar desgins were the ones used in the 90s. My grandfather collected a few small die cast cars from that era and I loved playing with them.

[@LouieMeekin]

Valid

[@seannolan9857]

I'd argue that aero push started being an issue when Chevy switched to the Monte Carlo in '95. Watch the '94 and '95 Brickyard 400s, there's a pretty stark contrast. Ford going to the Taurus made it worse. Late '90's and early 2000's cars looked and sounded great, and we had a lot of great personalities in the sport. Overall racing quality though was higher in the '80's and early '90's, though high attrition rates could disguise that in the final results.

[@PaperBanjo64]

NASCAR in general was more fun until the horrible Car Of Tomorrow, nostalgia for that piece of crap is ridiculous! The tracks fans say suck now started sucking that generation, just watch Atlanta spring 2008 and not get bored, then watch Atlanta spring 2007, it's a day and night difference! 1.5 cookie cutters and 2 mile ovals got unbearable, Phoenix 2 configurations back with the COT sucked, only the short tracks and Daytona and Talladega were consistently entertaining, even Darlington suffered because of a repave and tire wear was not even a factor, once the track started wearing in did it get fun again, and for the most part the gen 6 chassis was the same COT chassis with a much better looking body on it, that being said I miss the Gen 6 because at least it could put on a good show on the short tracks and road courses! And it actually protected the drivers from serious injury for the most part.

[@seannolan9857]

@@PaperBanjo64 The COT had a lot of lousy races, but there were some I really enjoyed. Fall Dover '08, Labor day Atlanta '09, and the 2012 Bristol night race come to mind. But yes, I'd call it an overall decline.

[@jackshafto9123]

I’ve been saying less aero grip and more mechanical grip. I hate the splitter.

[@thetalkativetank7032]

Never been to a nascar race in my life and only saw it on tv, the amount of sound that’s cut in the TV is just astonishing. That crash at 1:33 is a sound ive never heard while watching it on tv and im amazed at how a car crashing like that is what it really sounds like!

[@Tennyson_W05]

That was brutal

[@ty50bmg11]

As technology gets better, racing will get worse. Technology has hurt racing in every motorsport. The solution is dumbing the cars down which I don't think will ever happen for several reasons.

[@nicalos007]

They need to bring back that old gen 4 look and power, but with the safety we have now. It would the most entertainment ever because we wouldn’t have to worry about death as much as we use to. The sport could have a comeback; but only if nascar chooses to. The racing style is completely different, but that’s why it was so exciting back then. You never knew who was going to win (other than Gordon and dale jr’s rein for a period of time)

[@antoniestrada1972]

If you think the gen 4 looks good then you need to get your eyes checked

[@g_men2121]

Too unsafe. The gen 4 killed dale

[@LexyThomas134]

@@g_men2121 Again, no, him not wearing the HANS device and his seatbelt snapping is what killed him. They made the HANS device mandatory after that and there hasn't been a death in NASCARS top series since.

[@antoniestrada1972]

@@LexyThomas134 The car was unsafe how many concussions did Dale junior get

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Gen 4 body, Gen 5 safety, different aero packages for different course types (with STRONG limits on dirty air creation to keep the pack racing alive), keep the 5 speed but make it a dogbox H-pattern, allow independent rear, but also allow straight axle fronts, and allow the engine to be anywhere ahead of the centerline of the car with the rules saying the driver's feet can't be past the front of it(probably dictate a minimum of 48% front weight distribution). Then ditch the 18-inch centerlocks. I'm not saying we need 15s, but 16s or 17s at most to allow for bigger brakes for the road courses, or maybe different-sized wheels for road courses and ovals to prevent the high-speed spins resulting in flats. 18s on road courses, 16s on ovals? IDK, it'd depend on testing. I'd also allow lighter overall weight cars, too. Something like the 80s/90s era IMSA 6.0L's 2700lbs minimum weight. And before I forget, keep the restrictor plates for lower classes of NASCAR IE the Formula 2 or 3 equivalent. Restrictors have no place on a fast race car. Better yet, f you want to align them with other similar oval car series like the grassroots scene, just lower the displacement to a rounded 350ci. Though if you REALLY wanna get wild, have an outlaw 410ci NASCAR class, as well. Maybe that's how I'd run NASCAR classes... With separate small, medium, and large engines. I'd also allow SOHC with VVT and whatnot, but probably keep it to either 2 or 3 valves, no 4 or 5-valve junk.

[@redracer1985]

Gen 3 and Gen 4 will forever be my favorite NASCAR cars

[@Jose-Gomez]

Ok. NASCAR Needs To Seriously, Seriously, SERIOUSLY, Bring Back The Gen-6 Car, With The Numbers, On The Middle Of The Door, Get Rid Of The Spliter, Raise The Cars Off The Ground So Air Can Go Underneath, And Lastly, Get Rid Of The Defuser, But, Have The Rounded Rear Bumper Along With The Quarterpanels With Less Sideforce, From The Next-Gen Car, And Put It On The Gen-6 Car. Because, The Gen-6 Cars, need to Seriously, Seriously, SERIOUSLY, Look Like Real-Life Street Cars, Rather Than The Next-Gen Car That Looks Like A Copy Of An IMSA Car, With The Numbers Slid Forward.

[@ProxiProtogen]

All of this yapping. And none of what you said made any sense. You do know that IMSA cars use parts from off there street legal counter parts? Such as GT3 and espically GT2. And the NEXT Gen Camaros and Mustangs actually look closer to there street legal counter parts then they ever did in the Gen 6 era

[@SwigerQ86]

the racing on intermediate tracks has been the best in nascars history i think, once they get the shorter tracks dialed in, we are in for a great shows every race.

[@mlwilliam213]

I disagree. It’s been better than the 6, but lead changes don’t equal better racing. What was great about the gen 4 was that if the four best cars started the race with one in 4th place, one in 12th, one in 17th, and one in 24th, you knew that they were gonna meet at the front and sort it out. Now we see a dominant car have a pit road error, go back to 22nd and just get stuck there. They’re just to reliant on clean air. To be fair though, once they started coil binding and things like that to seal the car to the track the racing went to hell. This started in 05-06. It’s not a coincidence that that’s when the ratings started to drop. Racing is just better when it’s about mechanical grip because every car in the field can have mechanical grip, only one can have clean air.

[@aldouscoroza]

The Lack of Ground Clearance at the Front of the Car and the Quarter Panel being also sealed isnt helping in Cars Passing each other and along with the Spoiler Height too isnt helping. Now its time NASCAR go back to 900 HP once they go Hybrid and get rid of the Tapered Spacer

[@turbo_marc]

If they go hybrid their fans will rip them to shreds for whatever reason.

[@punyhunk8686]

Nah, there's actually quite a bit of ground clearance on the front splitter. It's like a GT3 bumper, it's not like the gen 5/6 splitter where it's always nearly touching the ground. It actually has lots of ground clearance to bring air back to the rear diffuser, which is still better than a splitter forcing air to go around the entire body of the car instead of letting it flow under the car. There is still dirty air from this, but the actual wake of air coming from the car itself is much more narrow than the previously mentioned gen 5/6 cars.

[@camaroboy1968ss]

@@punyhunk8686 air going under the car is how the new cup car makes downforce, the belly pan on the cup car is made to channel air back to the rear diffuser. Air going over the car is not as big of factor. When NASCAR was just recently testing new spoiler heights, there really wasn't any difference until they practically pulled the spoiler off the car before the driver actually felt it. I agree the dirty air is smaller than the older cars. I think the Gen 4 cars even had a lot of it as well that was covered up by the just how hard the cars were to drive. Its a good reason why the cars need more horsepower. Either that or they need to run a narrower tire.

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@TurboMarc I don't think hybrids would be as hated as you think, full electric would be horrible.

[@sandasturner9529]

@@turbo_marc divide them into two different classes. Hybrid and non hybrid. A trophy/win for each class.

[@iLikePlanez]

Pretty sure the Xfinity series has been using the COT car since 2010

[@JJRacer43]

And the Cup cars have been through 3 car configurations since 2010. Xfinity clearly has been the most consistent with their cars, hands down.

[@sinistermaul306]

I know you like the sound of the gen 4 car, which I do agree, but for me, I’d love to see the gen 4 car with the sound of the new gen 7 car. I like the sound of the gen 7 car a lot more

[@fogalicious2644]

No idea what they were thinking with the drop in Horsepower. NASCAR obviously does not do any market research, maybe they don't care?

[@PaperBanjo64]

NASCAR does do research but they word it so that they can make up dumb rules how they see fit...what do you want closer racing or more spread out racing? Or in other words cars with no horsepower, big spoliers and splitters and wide open throttle and big packs but no passing or cars with big horsepower little spoilers and splitters and off throttle time, field spread out but ability to pass if you have a faster car

[@chrisjurich9471]

The drop in horsepower is mostly to make cost of manufacturing lower for new manufacturers to potentially enter the sport (Honda). They have repeatedly tested with higher horsepower packages but not seen better racing product. Unlike previous iterations, the next gen has a wider wheel meaning they get much better grip than previous generations. As a result, there is less slipping and sliding at tracks than in previous generations. Higher horsepower alone is not believed to fix this issue.

[@mukundsadasivan6872]

Honestly underrated channel. High quality and genuine thought into the script. 🎉

[@milo.lively]

really enjoyed this watch, really nice job, you're highly underrated

[@spectrelfc1152]

I HATE the numbers moved forward too

[@PaperBanjo64]

It's ok when they actually use that space but when they slap a massive logo on the side and leave the quarter panels bare it looks horrible. The average IndyCar paint schemes look better.

[@spectrelfc1152]

@@PaperBanjo64 it wouldn’t be a problem if the series could actually retain sponsors instead of having to simp for shitty mortgage companies and websites on a race by race basis

[@Eeeeethan09]

Gen 6 would have been better if they would have just stayed with the 2014 package.

[@PaperBanjo64]

2014 high downforce for 1.5s, low downforce unrestricted horsepower everywhere else.

[@Jose-Gomez]

I SERIOUSLY AGREE! NASCAR, PLEASE Bring Back The Gen-6 Car, Along With The Unrestricted High Horsepower Engine Package, And Lastly, And Most Importantly... BRING THE 2014 PACKAGE BACK, AND LEAVE THE GEN-6 CAR, ALONE!!!!!! But From The Next-Gen Car, Have The Rounded Rrear Bumper Along With The Side Quarterpanels With Less Sideforce, And Put It On The Gen-6 Car.

[@Ch3z17GRDA]

i dont think the next gen is that bad especially nowadays, it wasnt good when it was first in introduced but i think theyre a lot better now

[@3sgteyota]

Nice work. Hell of an overview. I couldn't agree more. Subscribed.

[@willharnos5412]

I completely agree with everything you said in this video. Nice editing and worth the watch!

[@gregorygolden1296]

NASCAR continues to shoot itself in the foot. To take it's mind off of that foot, it shoots itself in the other foot. These guys in the front office need to get in these cars and go race them so the can see the whole picture. The playoffs don't determine who is the best driver, just the luckiest....as someone has already said. Come on NASCAR wake up. Your not headed in the right direction

[@captainboose8788]

The Gen 7 Suspension is pretty durable, cars are bouncing off walls left and right, and able to continue, a Gen 4 5 or 6 isn't doing that. Yes the Early Gen 7 had weak toe links, but they have since been beefed up. Not sure why you even bothered to put Kyle Bush blowing up under caution, that's and engine builder problem, not NASCAR. Also the car has been improved safety wise since last year, the front and rear subframe mounts have been purposefully made weaker to absorb more impact.

[@mlwilliam213]

Cars being able to wreck and continue doesn’t make good racing. Kind of the opposite really.

[@chrisdavis743]

Solid points made. Great comparisons. 👍

[@Gebalien]

Wish i was alive for the gen 4 cars. :(

[@raptorstrike87]

There was nothing wrong with the gen 6 until they cut hp and got to playing with the spoiler height

[@fordaith]

The biggest problem with the Gen7 is one of the best example of "The sum of the parts is greater that the whole". Every advance in the car is great...individually, but when you put them all together, nothing works properly.

[@PaperBanjo64]

It's basically a Trans Am car racing on ovals, that somehow races well on 1.5s, it ain't no "stock car" whatever the hell a stock car even is! It sure it a good looking car at least!

[@Chris_Shoaf]

Gen4 was the best era and the end of the COT

[@bighunterman77]

the answer is no ride height rule, huge stupid downforce/drag, and lower horsepower. if they unleashed the engine tuners and builders to make the engines make 1000 hp and 11000 rpm again. all that power back would make the drag be able to be driven through.

[@Grindtone603]

The gen 7 car is an IMSA car with a NASCAR body slapped on top of it

[@Megacooler96_]

The suspension and wheels are so sensitive and break so easily like the open wheel cars...very bad design. Hopefully they fix these issues

[@captainboose8788]

How do you figure? Gen 7 Cars are banging off both walls and each other, and are capable of continuing with essentially no issue, The early Toe Links were weak yes, but that has been fixed for some time now. A Gen 4 5 or 6 car would not be able to bang off the walls like the Gen 7.

[@nickklavdianos5136]

I have zero hope that the same institution that thought playoffs and stages were good ideas can take anything in the correct way.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Same here

[@Lukepuke311]

well playoffs and stages were made by brian france who was intoxicated when he made those choices

[@merlotpapi4930]

Playoffs and stages are fun, cope

[@aldouscoroza]

Here's the Thing if Cup Cars stuck it out with the Gen 5 and used Features of the Gen 4, Gen 6, and a Few Features of the Gen 7 Car heres what I would do: • Return of the Gen 5 (Including Safety Features) • Symmetrical Body • No More Fender Flares (Make the Body Slimmer) • Composite Bodies Stay • Keep the Splitter, but Raise it 4 inches off the Ground • Shorter Quarter Panel • 2.5 inch Spoiler at Road Courses, Short Tracks, 1 mile - 1.3 mile Tracks, and 4.5 inch Spoiler at 1.5 miile Tracks, Michigan, Pocono and the Indy Oval • X - Pipe everywhere • TransAxel Stays • 6 Speed H Pattern Shifter • 9500 RPM • 900 HP Twin Turbo Hybrid Engines • Double Wishbone Suspension (Front and Independent Rear Suspension) • Keep the Single Wheel Lugnut, and 18 inch Wheel Base • Go to a Regular Camaro (the 2ss) Mustang, and Camry instead of the Bulky Looking Designs of the Current Cars • Front Air Ducts • Get Rid of the Rear Diffuser too

[@thetalkativetank7032]

Damn, 6 speed h pattern transmission would be really useless in most of the races as some track’s require drivers to downshift or not even stay in their highest gear for a long time. The only way this many gears would be useful is on the superspeedway tracks like dega and daytona. Changing the hp to 900 is a good choice, but also raises safety concerns as tracks like dega and daytona have shown us how that amount of hp + drafting can really create a racing hazard to fans and the drivers. Best you can do with the hp would be 800 which creates better racing and makes it safer for spectators and drivers. The RPM limit would need to be scaled back to accommodate that 6 speed and tracks that make you shift as fast as you can to the final gear (martinsville, bristol, etc.). Your idea is really interesting and can probably provide better racing, but its mainly best suited for Superspeedway racing and some intermediate racing. Short track racing with your car idea is basically impossible and just puts more labor on the mechanics and setup specialists and makes the cars powerhouse redundant. Still a solid idea though.👍

[@thetalkativetank7032]

Edit: 900 hp would work

[@aldouscoroza]

@@thetalkativetank7032 as for Talladega and Daytona, we go back to the Restrictor Plate (Down to 500 HP), X Pipe, a Shorter Quarter Panel, Flat Front Noses, 6.5 inch Spoiler, and Tandem Drafting

[@thetalkativetank7032]

@@aldouscorozawhat about the short tracks?

[@aldouscoroza]

​​@@thetalkativetank7032 its all Above Short Tracks, Road Courses, 1 mile - 1.3 mile Tracks all get a 2.5 inch Spoiler, 900 HP Turbo Hybrid, 9500 HP, X Pipe, 6 Speed H Shifter, Double Wishbone Suspension (Front and Independent Rear Suspension), 9500 RPM, Front Air Ducts, Flat Front Noses, the Front of the Car Raised 4 inches off the Ground and the Quarter Panel cut in Half

[@nathanstroud2223]

On top of all that, the cars look plastic now because they're wrapped instead of painted.

[@thetalkativetank7032]

The cars were wrapped to begin with anyway, they started wrapping the cars way before the gen7 as vinyl was much stronger than paint

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@TheTalkativeTank most cars were wrapped, I believe Hendrick Motorsports still painted them until gen 7.

[@hunterfinemore2136]

This was perfect. You hit everything correctly. Im a die hard fan, and I can barely keep watching it with how much bs is happening consistently with these cars. It had so much potential on paper when they explained it, but it blew up in our faces. The gen 6 was tolerable, but this is just garbage

[@lightfeather9953]

Not only are the absorbant crumple zones safer but theyre also more entertaining in two ways imo. Impacts look more spectacular and cause more attrition. I find it pointless to have a 500 mile race if there is no attrition, there is no unpredictability and exciting surprises. And the playoffs make attrition far less important. In the 90s youd have huge point swings at the top. I mostly just watch f1 now because while it has similar issues with far less attrition, the first 20 laps are just as important as the last 20. In old nascar it mattered if you got lapped early on or got in a minor crash.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

The "playoffs" were some of the dumbest shit, especially the name. NASCAR isn't football, and it shouldn't try to be.

[@joeygold24]

it just doesnt make any sense to me. jack up the power, take off the downforce. make the specs of the cars pretty tight but let the teams build everything. maybe its more expensive but at least people watch

[@haydengault2568]

When Earnhardt's death happened one of the podcasters suggests the HANS Device was launched in 2000, but he didn't use it

[@loveybarkley8293]

The problem is the horse power and the non existing crunching if the cars bent the drivers would be fine. The racing at the big tracks sucks because they took off so much horse power everyone has to use the draft to keep up so they can't go around anyone without help and if you do try it you need at least 6 to 10 cars to do it. The intermediate tracks are great because of the current engine setup for the 1.5 mile tracks. RC tracks I think if nascar is going to race on them make sure the cars are built for it, nascar has a ton of road races on tracks designed for IndyCar and F1. The short tracks same as the restrictor plates we need more HP! And finally everyone wants it no stage yellows I think that'll do something hopefully... Whoever the president of nascar is we need to replace him I'm sure he's a nice guy but he sucks at controlling an entire motorsport. And not to mention everyone is pissed off because of this money stuff and the TV contract, these next few years are gonna be scary.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

Bill Elliot's 1985 #9 Ford Thunderbird - the last real stock car. All downhill since.

[@robhorsey9906]

I feel like NASCAR has made a major shift by taking more input from the teams regarding rules changes and car designs. Previously, NASCAR was very much a dictatorship, their way or the highway, and if you didn't like it you didn't have to race. By listening to the team owners and prioritizing costs over everything else, they've created a car that no one is really satisfied with. The racers will always figure out a way to race, and if a team runs out of money another will replace it. NASCAR got spooked by a bunch of the owners crying poor but I think it was more they were crying wolf. I agree that the 92-07 cars were probably ideal, although the last few years they got pretty wacky with the distorted bodies. The COT was the reaction to Earnhardt's crash and was much safer but unfortunately it was cosmetically awful. I don't think it's coincidence that the steep decline coincided with the COT. The current car is more reflective of modern technology and their road car counterparts, but not really optimized for oval track racing. I think there should be more HP and more opportunity for innovation.

[@wander561444]

As a young boy I remember a skater who was using a board with a carbon fiber layer (a k2 I think) And the skater broke his foot and he said that the fact that the board didn’t break broke his foot no wonder the gen 7 cars are more dangerous

[@2jsalomon]

uhh. the gen 4 and even gen 5 had well over 950hp from about 2003 to 2014.

[@2jsalomon]

they didnt lower the power until the gen 6 car in 2015, and lowered it to 750hp. Then 550 in 2019

[@VinceMoscar]

Thanks for the insight. Couldn't find exact HP numbers so I put >700 as a placeholder

[@MichaelJacksonTheMusic]

Make wonder what gen 8 is gonna be like

[@PaperBanjo64]

Probably even worse knowing NASCAR's record!

[@tufstuff2586]

Nascar is the one and only sport that truly tries to kill itself even though Nascar has a strong following. Nascar, the NFL, and the MLB should go out on a date together especially the NFL and Nascar cause they formally had amazing games and races now it's just terrible. They took all the personality out of the Players, Coaches, and Drivers. It's embarrassing when I would rather watch games/races from the 80s and 90s than now that should tell you something. They should do a top 10 on bad decisions WHO EVER THE HELL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HIRE OUR CURRENT SPORTS CEOs!

[@Tunda2]

Here’s the options: Upgraded stock cars that will top out at 150; complete domination by three or less teams with everyone building their own to the rules like f1 (and like gen 6 and before) and you get another couple dozen million fans leaving because of it (see Jimmie Johnson); or a spec series where everyone runs a dallara with one of three engines

[@Joshua-uw7wm]

I'm so old I'm ancient and I miss when they actually raced stock cars

[@HTV315]

1940s and 1950s Early Nascar Days Where Bland and Cars during that time looked like Cars u would see at home 1960s and 70s Had the Cars look more like Stock cars and Made the cars faster and Longer 1980s and Early 90s Witnesses The rise of the sport as a whole Late 90s early 2000s Peak Nascar *** 2006-2009 When Nascar Started to fall off Popularity fell and Overall Entertainment slightly fell in the 2000s 2010-2014 a Shell of its former self by this point 90s Cars Did things these cars didn’t do The early 2010s Had the cars heavy and Couldn’t go fast 2015-2019 Damage became insanely Crazy to see a new car take more damage than a 90s or 80s car 2020-2022 Nascar Lacking in safety was becoming more Hated 2023 and Now So Far Nascar hasn’t Went up in Popularity since the end of the 2000s and has seen Small Decline since 2009

[@willlive6845]

The biggest problem is everytime they start to get the car right they change it again to creat buz...

[@shanevinson845]

Bring back Gen4 and XPipe

[@xxlarrytfvwxx9531]

4:59 One of my favorite DW quotes.

[@Victrix_45e]

Great presentation

[@lucassipka2591]

Very late to this, but teams still supply their own engines, so Kyle blowing up at Darlington wasn’t completely directly caused by the Next Gen car

[@MarkReda-hy5ey]

Great VIDEO!! really exposes the problems ...makes sense..

[@DerrickRG]

No horsepower, no interest.

[@sulphurous2656]

A video like this has been long overdue. The cars have been getting worse in more ways than just racing or aesthetics or whatever.

[@JollyRogerRacing000]

I really hope that they do make the gen 7 better. I think there is potential, but it’s it a lot of snags so nice it’s been on the track.

[@retroformula9613]

Yeah......I don't watch NASCAR anymore......cause my guys leaving......the new cars.......the new courses.....yeah its not the same anymore.......so I'm in F1 now. and I miss the Gen 5th and 6th gen. 😢

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

I miss the old cars simply for the fact they could flip. When they put an end to that the crashes lost some fun and lets be real 95% of us watch for the crashes. Its wild the older cars had more extravagant crashes but were safer. But when a car flips it loses a lot of energy so it does makes some sense.

[@COMMONsenseAdvocate86]

ANYTIME I've discussed NASCAR with motor racing fans(mostly indycar/F1 fans) it's always about the whole Stage racing stuff. Add that with the whole goddamn championship points chase game; threw out tradition for sure

[@SoldiesBC]

The COT with the spoiler is my personal favorite.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Y'know, if they just the wing version semi-active so that when the car spins around the spoiler angles down at the back to prevent a flip, the COT w/wing would be the peak.

[@ItsNothin]

Very well put together video! +1 sub!

[@krasserchecker804]

Very cool video. Thanks!

[@HalianTheProtogen]

I'd much prefer they go back to the Gen IV car or the wingless CoT.

[@sandasturner9529]

I think the demise of nascar was due to them removing the various curves, left _and_ right turns and straights ("straight aways") . I mean, I don't think there is a racing body that promotes racing on the same tracks as other events with nascar stock card. It would be interesting. On the oval track, you realize the cars and drivers never reach their full potential. Sure the Nascar we have to day is very difficult, but that's partly because it's the same repetitive maneuvers, requiring the utmost consistency and precision, but also requires unwavering focus and last but not least physical, mental and emotional (no road rage, no unsafe maneuvers) health.

[@FM4AMGV]

I might be convinced to watch if things like playoffs and stages weren't a thing. Give me a straight up race to watch

[@GlaceonTheLolbit]

I grew up with the Gen 5 cars, but I like the Gen 3 and 4 cars

[@PaperBanjo64]

NASCAR should ditch the gen 7 car and finally run the road course only series they were close to in the 80's, they should just run Xfinity cars in Cup but with more power.

[@DBNR_cool]

Please bring the Dodge charger back

[@braydonmccormack6191]

now they have lowered the aero on the new cars the racing is much beetter..they just need more horsepower now

[@alperkiziltepe1570]

I hate nascar but I cant get enough of this channel!

[@rolux4853]

Nothing will be better than gen 4! Those where the races of my early adulthood and isn’t it a coincidence that all the spectators went away when Gen 4 was banned?

[@dinonuggie1908]

I hate how the new ones look tbh

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Bring back convertibles on the beach and running from the law with a trunk full of shine....and get off my lawn.

[@Mr.Inman14]

I much prefer the cars of the 90s and much prefer them moving back the number to where it was during the 90s! These new paint schemes are so fucking ugly as they look right now.

[@keithgregorich9211]

You know , it should be run what ya brung , if you can go 300 mph in the turns so be it, it’s called racing

[@Poplar70bodiam]

You deserve more subscribers

[@Poplar70bodiam]

Yay you got more subs

[@PDog170inDaytona]

In the last generation that we have so far, they have tried to make him too much like street cars. You barely tag the wall and knock the rear and I have alignment on the rear or barely touch the front and not the front and out from under. Standard rack and pinion was not made for this amount of pressure, and 30° banking at 200 miles an hour. NASCAR has obviously forgotten who their fans are, just like Bud Light.

[@LucasTA26]

Great video and 100% spot on!

[@ryanmorrison3699]

That thumbnail describes the drivers better than it describes the cars lol.

[@kben24]

The cars in NASCAR these days have zero emotion… They don’t move up & down, they don’t slide around, there’s not enough throttle control in the corners. They just go round in circles, completely stiff & dead.

[@shawnconder4984]

I'll say one of the biggest helps this current car can get is put some more grunt back in the motors. If these were running the 900 horsepower monsters from the Gen 4 era, then maybe this dirty air b.s. would all go away because they'd be able to pull out and pass. It would also do away with another detriment this car has, and that's shifting. How effectively can you race when you are constantly having to take one hand off the steering wheel and shift while flying around an oval at 180 mph.

[@slicedbread5409]

The gen 7 just looks to bulky and overall bad. this might by nostalgia talking but the COT did the box look way better

[@lllllllllllll343]

It ain’t nostalgic personally the old cars look a whole lot better ppl jsut say rose tinted glasses bc they can’t accept the fact the gen7 sucks

[@johnberger51]

I like the Generation 3 cars the most. Those cars put on great racing and were fast.

[@VinceMoscar]

I totally agree

[@DiamondAviation727]

NG car is the best car in terms of 1.5+ racing since the gen 4 imo, more hp would be great, and would definitely help the short track product as well. Also engines are still very well made by the teams and not provided by NASCAR, so not so different from what it was before.

[@Dre2Dee2]

I feel like the car issue is (and I could be wrong on this), are from Ford/Chevy, etc The nascar cars of old did kind of look like the cars at the dealership, but that was more incidental. They're race cars, and sometimes wasn't always easy to tell who built what car in terms of car brand These new cars, it's very clear who built what just from a glance. Ford logo is prominent, has a Ford "look", looks just like the cars I see at the dealership! Oh cool, I could buy that! But as a race car? AWFUL! The priority has been on ADVERTISING the brands of the makers with the cars, not making a good race IMO

[@haydenformica8571]

I think gen 2 is probably my favorite

[@BigCJ]

Haven't watched a race in years, so a lot of this is news to me. So essentially, NASCAR is becoming like how IROC was by mandating the use of cookie-cutter components for the car bodies and suspensions? I wonder how long it'll be before they go all the way and do the same with engines... Probably not too long before they ultimately suffer the same ultimate fate as IROC, I'd wager.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yeah NASCAR has sucked massively since the next gen car, I pretty much gave up on it after a year and a half of denial, 2022 was somewhat fun season at first but as the season went on the crappy ass quality (or lack thereof) started showing more and more, the better tracks race worse and the worse tracks race better, and I HATE 1.5 mile cookie cutters! I liked short tracks and road courses and the next gen sucks so bad on them I have hardly any desire to watch, they even found a way to fuck up the Superspeedways! A car that's only good on a very specific track type I hate that races bad on short tracks and road courses just don't appeal to me...and yet they say "oH bUt ThE rOaD cOuRsEs aPpEaL tO tHe YoUnGeR fAnS!" No they don't! Not if these "YoUnGeR fAnS" watch IndyCars or F1 (which I've fully switched to) and know other series put on much better racing product on them than next gen cars do...the thing that scares me is really young fans that started watching with the next gen cars who never saw a good race at Martinsville with previous generations of cars probably love 1.5s and hate short tracks for being slow and boring...I honestly don't see NASCAR ever fixing the next gen short track/road course package because they refuse to either add horsepower or actually test with an old style rear end gear, so they telling Goodyear to try and create high deg tires instead, which the wide grippy tires are a major part of why next gen races so badly

[@SlaytonRider]

When the gen 7 is good is great look at many of the 1.5 mile races and the super speedway racing is decent but man the short track package is ass maybe horsepower could fix that maybe it’s more complicated but besides this years Richmond race short tracks have been ass

[@nascarfan3RCR]

This is a great video

[@VinceMoscar]

Thanks man

[@nascarfan3RCR]

@Vince Moscar I'm just speaking facts

[@macblackadder93]

To be fair, you're probably better off with European NASCAR. Theres no playoffs, not entirely sure about rules with BHP and other rules that makes no genuine sense. Battles tend to happen a lot if done right.