Why NHL should ELIMINATE Presidents' Trophy...

[@johngibson8636]

It just goes to show how hard winning a cup actually is. I think the trophy is a nice recognition of the accomplishment. Also it beats an in season tournament championship banner

[@Earthboundmike]

Also the big difference between then, and now, is the salary cap.

[@BoulderCityBlues]

The NHL is basically two seasons , the regular season to qualify to get to the second season the Stanley Cup playoffs ..The Presidents trophy acknowledges the accomplishment of a season who is the best regular season winner . There should always be some kind of recognition for a great regular season.. Sometime the best record doesn’t alway win , but it’s why they play the game and the football phrase of on any given Sunday applies to every sport .. My vote is to keep the Presidents Trophy ..

[@geoff3103]

Right? 82 games is no joke of a season in full contact sport. Its also exactly why I like the 16 team playoff format for a 32 team league, and would hate further expansion (though 2 teams could and should get relocated). The season goes from 32 teams to 16 to 8 to 4 to 2 to1. nice and orderly.

[@erikcarlson9821]

The money bonus still comes with the trophy. Could it be more? Sure, but it's always been there for the life of the award.

[@b.a.sports4361]

I personally love the trophy and what it represents! I know it’s not a huge accomplishment but I think it’s a nice touch to the league I don’t care about the so called curse I don’t believe in the superstitions or whatever you wanna call it I love seeing who wins it every season same as the SC !

[@moonglow630]

Sharks are one of those teams to lose in the first round 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@hornet002]

"Im not just making this for content" ... i dont see a problem with you making it jist for content if the content is there

[@brodiebrazil]

i think some people on this platform make videos that present an opinion for clicks, even when they don't truly hold that opinion. guess that's what i was trying to get across.

[@anthony_rivera4735]

The mlb, nba, nfl and mls need their own presidents trophies too.

[@tbowers0045]

MLS has the supporters shield which acts like the presidents trophy

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

I disagree they should get rid of it. I actually think in a league where (if there is/was true parity) you're team would only win the Cup twice in your lifetime (or once every 32 years) winning your division, having the best regular season record, and winning your conference should be seen as accomplishments much like winning an FA Cup or League Cup are in the English Premier League. Winning those trophies aren't as important as winning the Premier League or Champions League but they still hold value and winning trophies (any throphy) matters.

[@geoff3103]

keep it. The regular season is meaningful. But for the love of God don't ever do what the NBA does with that ridiculous mid-season tournament they do. Only thing the NHL needs to immediately change is their cheap and greedy divisional based playoff format. go back to 1 vs 8 and stop being so greedy

[@JonDoe-ln6nl]

How can they be "... cheap and greedy ..."?? Keep it divisional to build the hatred!

[@geoff3103]

@@JonDoe-ln6nl they are cheap and greedy to base the playoff format on geography instead of regular season play. Divisional format is strictly to save money on travel costs. Thats all. Hence cheap and greedy.

[@danielsheill6752]

The thing about only 37% of first place teams between 1967-85 not winning the cup is there were fewer teams in the league back then. Today there’s 32 and a salary cap meaning more parity.

[@dustyb58]

that's 18 seasons - montreal won that 6 times and won the Cup every time, so that really skews the percentage

[@blackberrythorns]

21 teams in 1985.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

The curse may have to do with the top seed playing the lowest seed then not being prepared for tougher opponents

[@winkletown8828]

That's the responsibility of the coaching staff.

[@erikcarlson9821]

@@winkletown8828 The GM, too.

[@moonytheloony6516]

The players are paid way too much money to fail because of unpreparedness, as are the coaching staff. They are allegedly professionals, hence they should be expected to be prepared to compete with anybody at any time.

[@krisrizakis9989]

Interesting fact: Montreal Canadiens, the team that has finished first overall the most times in the NHL's history has never won the President's Trophy. 21 times.

[@superblitz]

$350K in '82 adjusted for 2024 is $1.15M

[@brodiebrazil]

I want $1m/player

[@superblitz]

@@brodiebrazil the rookies would be all for it, essentially doubling their pay for a season. $1M for the team to split, wouldn't be able to buy them a new suite. The short of it all is: there are a ton of trophies handed out each season for the NHL. The President's Trophy is certainly the most forgettable. One concession to keep it around: make it a trophy (whether it is a duplicate or the main one) that a team can take to their arena and put in a display case.

[@g0nabbyg0]

While not directly disagreeing with your point, the fundamental issue is that the Presidents’ Trophy is awarded to teams based on how they performed under the regular season rules, as administered by the officials. Once the playoffs begin, the teams play under a completely different set of ‘no autopsy, no penalty’ rules as administered by the officials. When you call the playoffs differently than the regular season, it’s no surprise when the best regular season team doesn’t win. Why would it be? The rules were different.

[@TyLikesToast]

The pick your opponent rule that the PWHL has is such a great idea. Would be a no-brainer way to add even more drama to the stretch and first round.

[@moonytheloony6516]

I don't buy into curses. That's what people say when they can't explain something. A long time ago, teams started to participate in late-season trade deadlines, right? Well, that means that the 8th-seeded team, with a unremarkable record is now actually better than what their playoff position suggests, so the matchup of the best team in the NHL vs the lowest seeded team can be misleading. So I bet that explains some of those 30 failures out of 38 attempts. The league has 32 teams and a very long season so I wonder if there is a mental burnout from the grind of playing dominant hockey for an entire season...then you have FOUR rounds of best of seven to look forward to, which is potentially 28 additional games to play making it a likely 100+ game season. Meanwhile a lower seeded team can be fresher so even if that Presidents Trophy Winner gets past the first round, the team waiting for them in Round II can still have better energy to kick them out of it. The trophy is fine. Not awarding it doesn't solve anything. It's just a trophy awarded to the team that's earned home-ice advantage for all four rounds. The NHL, historically loves it's trophies...Art Ross, Vezina, Jennings, Norris, Calder, Lady Byng, Conn-Smythe, Prince of Wales trophy, and the Clarence Campbell trophy for both conference champions back in the day....they love it, so the Presidents Trophy is in line with what the NHL loves to do . What I'd like to see is the elimination of points awarded for overtime losses. Awarding failure is ridiculous. Awarding a point for a tie previously was rather dumb in my opinion as well. You either win or ya lose. Two columns. The NHL is always trying to be weird unnecessarily. Also, I never liked playoff overtime rules...it's drawn out way too much. One overtime period followed by a shootout is more than fair and less time consuming and I would assume less physically/mentally taxing on the players and coaches. Triple OT games and Double OT games are too much, these are the practical changes that should matter more, instead of considering the legitimacy of logic of a trophy given by a elaborate trophy-happy league.

[@BillKarides]

The stat about 63% first place teams winning the Cup from 1967-1985 really needs to be evaluated on the merits of the league during that time frame. Only 5 teams won the Cup during this 18 year period (Montreal - 8 times, Islanders - 4 times, Boston, Philadelphia and Edmonton 2 times each). Those of us who were around, know that the Canadiens were virtually unbeatable winning 4 straight, as were the Islanders in their 4 straight. The Broad Street Bullies and Gretzky’s Oilers each won 2 straight. Since 1986, the league has grown by 11 teams (a little more than one third), add in the salary cap and now you have greater parity in the league (which appears to be what ownership and the league wants). I’m not opposed to eliminating the Presidents’ Trophy, but it is kinda fun looking at it as a curse. Maybe adding a monetary value to the Trophy would be an enticement, but getting home ice advantage seems to be incentive enough. By the way, Chicago’s win in 2013 was a lockout shortened season where they only played within their conference until the Finals.

[@elosogonzalez8739]

Nobody wants to touch it. OBVIOUSLY IT'S CURSED! It's the kiss of death if you really want to win the Cup.

[@mikemoore5263]

I have heard arguments at least in other sports like baseball teams or a team on top of the league at the end of the regular season should have one extra home game in the first round, I think that would be fair, but also one of the better things about playoffs are upsets and those would probably go down in number, so as a fan I would not like that

[@dustyb58]

The only people who care and give it so much meaning are people like you who talk about it. I don't think the players care if there's a trophy or not. I sure don't. Honestly until I heard there was like a 5-team race to win it within a point or two, I wouldn't have known who won it. Until of course ESPN reminded me every single game, talked about the "curse", etc.

[@moonglow630]

My heart is broken over the Dallas Stars losing. Wasn’t rooting for them per se, but for Pavs & Pete De Boer. Also the Marchment & Suter connections to the Sharks. I think Pete was the best coach we ever had. And Joe was a damn good captain.

[@scottNNJ]

A financial incentive doesn’t seem right. The player who was with the team for the majority of the season gets nothing, but the guy picked up at the trade deadline gets $1M? Nah.

[@adeutsch16]

I'll admit, I'm a very casual fan. But I really only heard about this trophy from a meme today and then seeing your video when scrolling on KZbin.

[@goaliecoachmike]

The Jack Adams Award is another worthless award in this here-today, fired-tomorrow league. Coaches are lucky if they have another two years with that team.

[@eddie826]

Let the # 1 seed/best regular season team pick their first round playoff opponent like the PWHL does

[@timliao3701]

Who cares. Let the Presidents Trophy stand. It gives team something to aspire to and it gives them reason to work harder to defy the curse of the Presidents Trophy.

[@EricJohnson-hs5cx]

The Stanley Cup is a tournament now. It's too random. Winning the league should be regarded as a higher honor.

[@Santiago-in1xf]

Give it to the lowest scoring team instead ...so my Sharks have a chance at winning something 😂

[@dcfog81]

I honestly could take or leave the trophy. Doesn't really matter to me personally. The big flaw with having a top team "choose" a first round opponent is if two teams are fighting for 2 wild card spots, they'll be fighting to see who gets WC1 to avoid that top team. If the top team just chooses their opponent, what's the point of fighting for position and winning down the stretch? If one of the higher seeds has a slew of injuries at the end of the season, that top team could also choose that opponent because of the injuries. Also, can we talk about some revisions for MLB? You mentioned raising a banner for the Presidents' Trophy might be a little too much if you didn't win the Cup. How about MLB teams celebrating with champagne after every single round, even advancing out of the Wild Card? Champagne should be saved for a WS win only. Also, I've mentioned this before, but have there been discussions on ending the split individual awards for AL and NL? There's universal DH, and each team plays each other at least once a season. There should be 1 MLB MVP. They can have 1st and 2nd team Gold Glove and Silver Slugger

[@brandondeweil942]

EPL the last real regular season in sports.

[@tudormiller887]

Soccer is overrated especially the EPL, SPL, Europa League & Champions League anyway compared to the NHL. The only exciting thing about soccer/football is the World Cup every 4 years. 🏒🏆⚽

[@trisgilmour]

I think they thought they should modify it and let the winner should be able to pick their first round opponent

[@moonglow630]

Playoffs used to be structured differently though too.

[@pioneer8634]

Sorry Brodie a gotta totally disagree with you on this one. As a life long NHL fan we live in a world of championship or bust just isn’t realistic The New York Rangers should get a great congratulations and a trophy for being the season points leader regardless of a first round loss. their are so many great NHL teams that didn’t win a cup and we shouldn’t forget that like Sabers in 75 & 99 Sharks in 2016

[@paulmezzetta6905]

How much can the NHL for selling trophy for scrap metal?

[@SaintSpire]

Pick your opponent?! Yes, please.

[@davehill4053]

Back in the day 0nly 4 teams made the playoff- that's the meeting of the octopus. Now it's a severe grind, 16 teams. No wonder they don't win it- they're exhausted.

[@SigmaRho2922]

They should have the trophy replaced with a shield

[@PandaBaras]

For real is this trophy cursed because even the Bruins don't want to win it?

[@winkletown8828]

You're a very good speaker. 👍 thank you for not acting like a psychotic remedial in an attempt to get views. I'll show my appreciation by subscribing.

[@brodiebrazil]

very kind, thank you!

[@BigSchizah]

Interesting to hear this view point. You make a very strong argument, but I personally believe that the league is better with the president's trophy

[@brodiebrazil]

fair enough

[@jeffreysmall5505]

Try this one, for hockey history sake, dig up the old WHA Avco Cup and award it to the regular season points champion. It has history and looks better than the Presidents’ Trophy. Of the 4 WHA teams to enter the NHL since 1979, nine Stanley Cups have been won by 3 of those teams. Some current NHL markets were once WHA markets. Just a thought to consider. Nice work Brodie.

[@BillKarides]

I like this idea, but since the NHL can’t even admit the WHA existed, hence not counting WHA points (see MLB and the Negro League), this idea probably will never come to fruition.

[@jeffreysmall5505]

@@BillKarides I agree, but it still would be cool to see.

[@JanSlavik-mt2rt]

Keep the president but get rid off the idiotic meaningless conference winner trophies. Noone else does this but usa. It is so stupid . Congratulations, you might be second..... 🤡🤡🤡 Or first we don't know because season isn't over yet 😭😔😎

[@AphelionBeach]

Why eliminate history and culture.... click bater

[@brodiebrazil]

or replace it with a $1M prize... genius

[@ariea.devalois1564]

No. Keep it.

[@SNW8191]

As far as the Pres' Trophy winners losing in the playoffs, if they get rid of the Trophy, people would still talk about the top team losing regardless. The only difference is they won't have the Trophy to target as the curse, just the points status. If it has any influence, it's psychological. The teams that are determined to win will win regardless. Blaming the Trophy is a copout, in my opinion. But my team has never won it and has beaten the winner 3 times (I think) in the playoffs over the years, so maybe I'm not the right person to comment. I like the idea of giving a monetary reward though, although some guys need it more than others. Home ice advantage is the real curse for some teams cuz they play better away than at home.

[@thunderhammerx2966]

The SPHL has "the challenge" where the top seeds pick their opponents. This year the Birmingham Bulls won the regular season handily and picked the "lowly" Evansville Thunderbolts to play in the first round....the Thunderbolts upset them in overtime twice to eliminate the Bulls in the first round.

[@robpalmer8055]

How would anything change if there's a trophy or not? They would still be the number one overall team with all the same challenges. At least the trophy is something to commemorate. Make it more prestigious if anything like European soccer.

[@johnalwell5795]

There's 32 teams and a salary cap there is parity and if people are going to judge players Just on the basis of Stanley cup victories DONT .

[@Earthboundmike]

Honestly I can't actually tell you what any of the trophies look like aside from Stanley. I've been watching hockey since 2007ish?

[@gadflyeducator]

I think the success in the regular season is much more indicative of how good a team really is. The EOY tournament is rarely a battle between the two best teams. I love NHL playoffs, but it’s way more often the teams that get hot at the right time.

[@jtk3023]

I don’t believe any of the other three major sports leagues recognize the team that has the best regular season record. Home field or ice advantage throughout the playoffs should be the only reward for best regular season record.

[@BoulderCityBlues]

Bonuses are spent , a trophy is forever

[@marksousa8595]

The president cup winner should get the number one pick in the nhl draft . The best team in the regular season should be rewarded.

[@igorszamaszow171]

Not necessarily the #1, but maybe they should be added into the lottery. Sounds like a decent idea to me

[@AthleteEmpress]

From an Optimistic Former Maple Leafs fan: Imagine if 2024-2025 Toronto Maple Leafs break Boston’s 65 win season to 67-9-6 and then sweep their way to the final and in June 9, 2025 they sweep the finals and win the Stanley Cup. Talk about breaking all the curses of half a century! P.S. They win the President’s Trophy and Stanley Cup in this great year! 🤩🤯

[@hornet002]

I dont think the bonus even needs to be that high, 500k would feel like a substantial amount to alot, it should feel like extra money not a whole other paygrade. Cut to 15 teams give them a 1 round bye or 14 teams and give top each conference a 1 round by

[@joksal9108]

Since hockey allegedly originated in Canada, I suggest calling it the Trudeau Trophy. No one will want it.

[@bsputnik]

With all the great trophies in the league, this one is awful. Seriously, using the old Avco World Trophy would be a better option.

[@Earthboundmike]

Question. Before watching. How would removing the presidents trophy change this precisely? Aside from a jinx existing. Would the rules change otherwise? Cuz I mean, the trophy has nothing to do with it.

[@brodiebrazil]

Hopefully watching answers your questions 😉

[@Earthboundmike]

That being said it not existing wouldn't hurt.

[@generalimlerith8356]

It’s a cursed object I don’t know if it can be destroyed lol but yeah it’s not a trophy ppl usually want

[@brandondeweil942]

Why watch the regular season, then throw a tournament that erases it all? Ignorant!! Just have a tourny!

[@jasonfire3434]

There’s no point in having a President’s Trophy when you already have the only trophy that matters when crowning the best team (the Stanley Cup). The other major American leagues don’t have it.

[@204trebor]

Why not change the rules for winning the Presidents' Trophy? Sorta what they do in European soccer. Since teams in Western Conference play each team in the East twice (one home and away), those games will be included for the standings. For divisional and conference matchups, the teams last home and away game will be included in the standings. For example if Winnipeg were to play Dallas 4 games in a season only the Winnipeg's last home game and away will be included in the standings. You will have the 32 teams play each team twice. This will give a total of 62 (31 home and 31 away). This would take away the advantage of stacking up wins against a weaker division opponent.