Why Old BMWs, Not Teslas, Will Save The Planet (Waffle)

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JayEmm on Cars

JayEmm on Cars

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@richardjohnson3463
@richardjohnson3463 4 жыл бұрын
Well said! Consumerism is the problem, NOT older cars!
@chappy2121
@chappy2121 4 жыл бұрын
Everything is built to an end, profit and obsolescence. 3 years once the finance deal is complete. Then you're on your own. Look at Tvs, computers anything new, they don't last long. I bought a 2001 Toyota Crown Athlete VX with the 1jz Gte vvti motor in it. 80k miles under it's belt and it is still factory fresh, back in feb. Ive put 5k miles on it. Uses nothing other than fuel. Only repairs are one of the fibre optic marker lights had gone dim and the A/C compressor stopped pumping. Just had MOT only thing it needed was the rear fog light bulb painting. Long live old cars
@themanipulator1
@themanipulator1 4 жыл бұрын
People love to convince themselves that a new car every 3-5 years is the environmentally responsible option
@amacca2085
@amacca2085 4 жыл бұрын
I am not sure about consumerism obviously it is a real thing but they feed it you and they have been at this rate since the end of WW2 tv, internet, print making you feel inferior for not having the current thing which make people step on each other ! So while there blaming us for pollution and to many cars etc stop making them And taxing them 😂 bit deep but we’re brain washed
@veilsideFD3S
@veilsideFD3S 4 жыл бұрын
Such an underrated comment, Everyday someone will try to sell you something, so they can profit, it's a domino effect of cash over fist, The grabbing hands grab all they can All for themselves after all!
@Betheball1966
@Betheball1966 4 жыл бұрын
Harry said the same thing
@uha6477
@uha6477 4 жыл бұрын
Your 'tax on the poor' point is totally spot on.
@LoneWolf-ck7pj
@LoneWolf-ck7pj 4 жыл бұрын
It's not the tax they are after but the suppression of movement. By pricing road usage at £1.50 per mile by 2030 (IE £15,000 per year for the average 10,000 miles currently travelled) the intent is to stop any travel except for the very well off.
@uha6477
@uha6477 3 жыл бұрын
@@hirondelle8734 Yeah, totally. For a country that supposedly believes in fair play it doesn't go further than skin deep.
@tw0million
@tw0million 3 жыл бұрын
@@hirondelle8734 well that argument seems to be working for them. the rich enjoy many benefits of socialism yet program the poor that its terrorism.
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 3 жыл бұрын
Not really. Our utterly car-centric design/planning/society is what oppresses the poor. Genuinely poor people don't have cars and are stuffed when the whole place is designed to be much nicer and quicker and safer to move around in by car than by bike or on foot and there aren't any buses because 'everyone' drives. Kids don't have cars and many are unable to leave the house under their own steam in this country because there are far too many journeys being done by car. Old people often don't have cars. Those people's lives are greatly diminished by the way we've set things up. It's hard to untangle all this after decades, but we really can make the world a great deal nicer with a _lot_ less driving, so we need to try.
@Glove513
@Glove513 3 жыл бұрын
Taxes and fines for CO2 (plant food) production is a tax on the poor. The next step is a tax for breathing. This is the creation of a huge debtors prison.
@CarToneHK
@CarToneHK 4 жыл бұрын
Keep buying used, old classics is definitely way greener than buying the latest thing and get rid of it in a few years
@roymoorman5990
@roymoorman5990 4 жыл бұрын
True! And I prefer old classics over some 3-4 year old modern car with outdated infotainment tech anyway. That is (or will be) the problem with modern cars : they will not age or last very well.
@paulillingworth1242
@paulillingworth1242 4 жыл бұрын
Very true I totally agree, modern cars are bin food too soon
@dominicancheif117
@dominicancheif117 4 жыл бұрын
Leasing is worse for the environment. And electric car manufacturing pollutes more than ice car manufacturing
@paulfitz4861
@paulfitz4861 4 жыл бұрын
If only my government didn't tax the living hell out of you for owning one and insurance companies won't even look at you with a car older than 10 years.
@soundseeker63
@soundseeker63 4 жыл бұрын
BUT THINK OF ALL THE CO2!!! lol (well, thats all the government want people to think about)
@richardwish472
@richardwish472 4 жыл бұрын
I was involved with BMW when the 728 was launched. We all thought that it was a remarkable car. Some still exist in almost as new condition and they make excellent cars to use sparingly and drive with friends in comfort. They will also cover 500 miles in a day without a second thought. The construction of one car, running it with great pleasure over 20 years is incomparably more eco efficient than building four cars over the same period.
@rjlopezmr.p2216
@rjlopezmr.p2216 3 жыл бұрын
Pre owned vehicles that are still on the road ARE the “green alternative “
@Scooby2606
@Scooby2606 4 жыл бұрын
People baulk at the thought of spending 2k a year to keep a great car maintained and running, but accept losing 5k a year on depreciation of a new car. Nuts
@marcwebb687
@marcwebb687 4 жыл бұрын
Or spend £300 a month to "save" money on a vehicle which has £30 a year road tax
@Chrissy-H
@Chrissy-H 4 жыл бұрын
People don’t realise they usually only spend at around 2-3k on fuel a year too, but will happily lose 10k+ a year in depreciation buying a fancy electric car.
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 4 жыл бұрын
People are paying 10k just for Teslas buggy self-driving/parking/valet software.
@jumpferjoy1st
@jumpferjoy1st 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect point. My £750 Mercedes 97 C180 doesn't depreciate. When I had a 1 series BMW it lost 4k per year.
@soundseeker63
@soundseeker63 4 жыл бұрын
No, it makes perfect sense.... because then everyone can see where they are spending their money! They can look trendy and modern and boast on social media about how cool and environmentally responsible their shiny new shit box on PCP is. Basically it all comes down to vanity, narcissism and the need for approval.
@HighPeakAutos
@HighPeakAutos 4 жыл бұрын
I've been banging on about this too. I totally agree. We generally don't get anywhere near the full use out of our cars. Its better for the environment to keep an older car for many years rather than replace them every 2 years with a brand new one
@energymc22
@energymc22 4 жыл бұрын
But the thing is - people who buy new cars every couple of years are not scrapping them when they're done - someone else is then buying them and they get scrapped whenever they're worn out. Just like they'd be if they were still being run by the original owner. If the original owner kept them for 10 or 15 years there would be no 3 to 5 year old used cars for us poor people to buy and we would need to buy something new... Ultimately the same number of cars would have to be manufactured
@HighPeakAutos
@HighPeakAutos 4 жыл бұрын
@@energymc22 that’s true. There is a food chain, you’re right
@Ediconic1
@Ediconic1 4 жыл бұрын
@@energymc22 the point is thought that we just need to make less new cars, a so called Volvo polestar uses 24 tonnes of co2 to make and a total of 85 tonnes to run for 10 years. The answer is buy an old car and use it less.
@sparky4878
@sparky4878 4 жыл бұрын
What I try to do is just drive less. I’ve got three cars (though one is away having a complete nut and bolt rebuild just now). I don’t have a daily. I walk or cycle. So I drive for fun. Admittedly it’s not ideal for all. Pre covid I would have said we need better public transport to get people out of daily driving. But now we want our safe metal bubbles away from others. I won’t be changing to electric as it doesn’t meet my needs. But I feel I shall be punished for it. People now see ICE and make assumptions. I’ve had people come up to me in carparks and have a go that I’ve been in a supercharged V8 Jag. They don’t like it when I do the sums in my head that their hybrid doing 10k a year does more damage than my 1k a year, 18 year old grand tourer. Rant over.
@veemacks7255
@veemacks7255 4 жыл бұрын
@@sparky4878 my concern is that at sone point people might start getting overly aggressive and stabbing tyres or graffitiing our ice cars.
@davidmarshall6616
@davidmarshall6616 4 жыл бұрын
The greenest car you can possibly drive is the one you drive already!
@smallfaucet
@smallfaucet 4 жыл бұрын
An AMG 63??
@jace5190
@jace5190 4 жыл бұрын
my catless s54? ok :D
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@smallfaucet you would have to drive your AMG for the next 100 years to produce the same footprint as one high end electric car does in 10. That's not including the cost of electric car being recycled etc. So yes save the planet, keep your AMG. Lol
@saxon-mt5by
@saxon-mt5by 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more; my daily is now fifteen years old, religiously serviced it's been no trouble in all that time. It probably costs me more to service each year than the car is now worth, but it's miles cheaper than buying newer car, and far better for the environment.
@chappy2121
@chappy2121 4 жыл бұрын
@@saxon-mt5by got a 01 crown athlete vx 1jz vvti. Had since feb only parts it has had is a marker light and a refurbished a/c compressor. Plenty of parts available and very reliable 80k miles on it and its like new still. 5k miles per year no worries 👍
@sodiumchloride7788
@sodiumchloride7788 4 жыл бұрын
Its absolutely incredible how BMWs were advanced 25 years ago.
@tw0million
@tw0million 3 жыл бұрын
yea - they have just enough of useful technology but without being bloated with garbage that most people won't use after the novelty wears out
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 3 жыл бұрын
I think looking back, from 2021, it's clear to see a lot of what we thought was high-tech was obvious but it was patent encumberance that really slowed us down putting it into a product.
@fivish
@fivish 3 жыл бұрын
Now thay are expensive and full of cheap plastic engine parts which fail very expensively.
@nabahmadi5012
@nabahmadi5012 3 жыл бұрын
Look at a ls400 ~
@bidenisgod6978
@bidenisgod6978 3 жыл бұрын
Right it's insane my 95 540i had a CD changer alone with power headrests. Hell it even had a flashlight that charged inside the glove box. And many more things. I'm in love with bmw. My e60 530i has the m54 has over 200k miles still runs like it did in 2005.
@barriewilliams4526
@barriewilliams4526 4 жыл бұрын
I'm saving the planet by continuing to drive my 23-year-old Mercedes C Class 5 cylinder turbo diesel, which by the way, still runs like a Swiss watch👍😁
@uj7110
@uj7110 2 жыл бұрын
great engines indeed!
@leonotonglo4461
@leonotonglo4461 2 жыл бұрын
Torquey as hell and beautiful to drive
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 6 ай бұрын
If more of those were still running we'd have way more respiratory illnesses and premature deaths. Only now have we cars with clean enough exhaust that we could keep the emissions standards as is.
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 4 жыл бұрын
"Save the planet" is a catastrophically absurd and arrogant notion. Keep your old car and plant a tree. Pick up your trash. Eat your leftovers. Have a nice day.
@invisiblekid99
@invisiblekid99 4 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@paulmulville1835
@paulmulville1835 4 жыл бұрын
Hear hear, and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
@BigBoom92
@BigBoom92 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly and buy as much local produce as possible. The same clowns who buy electronic cars will buy food shipped half way around the world.
@DoctorDARKSIDE
@DoctorDARKSIDE 4 жыл бұрын
So well said it hurts!
@shiakas
@shiakas 4 жыл бұрын
Almost everything you said is a good idea. Of course, you need to plant a tree for every 100 miles you drive.
@chappardababbar
@chappardababbar 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. The underlying issue is one of consumption that is out of control. Keep and maintain the stuff we have. Use up existing parts and resources, rather than digging up new ones and wreaking environmental havoc.
@Jimbo8012
@Jimbo8012 4 жыл бұрын
Great comment Yasir. We should be concentrating on clean/renewable electricity generation and not buying goods we don't need to impress people we don't like. Consumption of cheap goods imported at great cost to the environment is completely out of control. Constantly changing cars every 3 years due to cheap finance doesn't help either. Forcing new cars to become electric should be very far down the list of the things we need to do. This doesn't help capitalism though. ;-) Electric cars are just another sales opportunity for the car industry dressed up as saving the environment when they do nothing of the sort. The solution is for everyone to stop changing cars so frequently and to stop buying cars they can't afford on finance. Again, this doesn't help capitalism or the car industry. We're fucked.
@guusguusguus
@guusguusguus 4 жыл бұрын
The point is not the metals etc used in car production, which for a big part have been made off of recycled aluminium for years now. The point is that we have to achieve 'carbon neutrality' by driving cars using energy that do not emit (as much) carbon. The greatest part of carbon emission of petrol / diesel cars has been running it for a while now, not the production. Of course your thinking is very important as well but it should be applied to the coming generation of hydrogen / ev / etc of cars that can be (almost) carbon neutral in use but require more carbon upfront during production! The only way for us car enthusiasts to drive petrol cars for fun well into the future, is by helping others transition to using green forms of transportation now!
@bentullett6068
@bentullett6068 4 жыл бұрын
@@guusguusguus totally agree but I think the UK government need to come down hard on some of these private companies that run public transport first as people are put of buying a season ticket to get to work as it is so expensive. It would encourage people outside of the city to commute without using a car and it might encourage local people to use this form of transportation more than using the car for small trips.
@melvynwoodman5787
@melvynwoodman5787 4 жыл бұрын
I agree but don’t just blame the end user when the fault is that repairing and maintaining older products is deliberately made prohibitively expensive by manufacturers and government. I would love to keep using a 40+ year old car if it did not involve constantly carrying out welding body repairs or paying others to do it for me. Running a more modern car is much better in this regard and are rarely unreliable but if and when something does go wrong it invariably costs far too much to repair due to parts costs and the amount of labour time involved in even the simplest problem.
@TheApana
@TheApana 4 жыл бұрын
When you realize government isn't forcing change on our automobiles for the environment, you'll realize how much of a scam this whole "carbon neutral" BS really is.
@DanielSadjadian
@DanielSadjadian 4 жыл бұрын
Too many new cars being created these days, that doesn’t help either. Just like Apple releasing a new iPhone every year and people feeling that they must upgrade. Miss the old days when a new car launch was something to look forward.
@TomHenksYT
@TomHenksYT 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! And the problem there is there's so much competition on the market. If one brand brings out a new car, you can be sure its competitors will follow shortly after. And because new products (regardless what it is, actually) always sell more than ones that have already been on the market for a few years, car manufacturers want to launch something "new" as often as possible. I put that in airquotes because what we end up with a lot of the time are things like BMW's current line-up. In the past, you would have the 1 series hatchback and coupe, the 3 series coupe, sedan, convertible and estate, the 5 series sedan and estate, 6 series coupe and convertible, and 7 series sedan. All on separate platforms. Now you've got the 3 series sedan and wagon as well as the (thankfully discontinued) 3 series GT. Then you've got the 4 series coupe and convertible but also a 4 series Gran Coupe. Meaning, you've got 3 cars that are all on the 3-series platform and all have 4 doors and are available with the same engines and transmissions. That's just madness. And that's just one of many examples like that where the product is marketed as "new" but it actually doesn't bring anything new, it tries to create a "new" niche when there's no need to do so. After all, what's wrong with just a standard 3 series sedan? Why not just leave it at that?
@connorsutton
@connorsutton 4 жыл бұрын
Wow you are so old
@retro80s80
@retro80s80 4 жыл бұрын
Someone said wow your so old... Yes we are But we don't sign our lives away on things we will never own hence why nobody has any RESPECT for other peoples cars property etc.
@wimseffelaar8950
@wimseffelaar8950 4 жыл бұрын
@@retro80s80 Well said! Could not agree with you more!
@TheKitMurkit
@TheKitMurkit 3 жыл бұрын
By the way, they just crush the unsold cars of the past year, because there are new year cars waiting to be sold.
@SulaimanRafiq
@SulaimanRafiq 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree on our throwaway culture and always wanting new. We should be buying second cars and taking advantage of what's out there. Also, loved your point about the cost of electric cars and how it's taxing the poor. Top stuff
@saddoncarrs6963
@saddoncarrs6963 4 жыл бұрын
Nice rant, Jay, and I'm with you on that muddy road thing. On the whole, though, we're the lucky ones. Driving a lovely car like that along a country road is a joy and pleasure that future generations will not be able to experience. Let's just make the most of it while we can.
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland 4 жыл бұрын
Utter truth! Recycle by reusing cars (oldtimers) is much better than wasting money on new cars!
@veemacks7255
@veemacks7255 4 жыл бұрын
Those saying this isn't a good idea because the older cars can cost a lot to maintain don't factor in that these repair costs are WAY less than the depreciation being suffered by people with new cars that are depreciating.
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland 4 жыл бұрын
@@veemacks7255 Some owners in Holland driving a lot are turning in their TESLA's as recharging takes so much time and is still a range limiting factor!
@sparky4878
@sparky4878 4 жыл бұрын
@@veemacks7255 plus the cars are simpler to fix so repairs are cheaper. Only problem can be sourcing parts depending how old/rare the car is.
@chestnut01111
@chestnut01111 4 жыл бұрын
Don't recycle, don't throw it away!
@chawenhalo0089
@chawenhalo0089 4 жыл бұрын
@@veemacks7255 The reality is I suspect, is that they want us to lease cars, not own them...
@marktelford2160
@marktelford2160 4 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately the decisions are being made by clueless urban muppets with no idea about cars or real situations. Greetings from Darwin, Australia.
@ranekeisenkralle8265
@ranekeisenkralle8265 4 жыл бұрын
And that's an optimistic view.. the - as I would call it - realistic view would be to replace "urban muppets" with "corporate puppets" which in turn would make the whole consumerism-issue all the more direin order to please their corporate overlords... Ah.. lobbyism....
@francomartini4328
@francomartini4328 4 жыл бұрын
You mean "clueless urban muppets" as opposed to ute-driving, ScoMo voting, cousin-marrying, 'roo-hunting, city-hating rural bogans who support good ole Aussie values such as open cast coal mining.
@DirkMacky
@DirkMacky 4 жыл бұрын
Ah Darwin. God's country!
@timd6671
@timd6671 4 жыл бұрын
What's being urban living got to do with anything?
@ranekeisenkralle8265
@ranekeisenkralle8265 4 жыл бұрын
@@timd6671 The more people live in close proximity, the less intelligent the individual tends to act. Ever heard of group-think? In cities there happens to be quite a LOT of people - go figure. Granted, so-called "social" media spreads the problem of group-think into the countryside as well, but out in the countryside people usually have other things to do beside hanging around on Fakebook or Twatter all the time, which in turn mitigates the problem in those areas.
@larsschothorst5888
@larsschothorst5888 4 жыл бұрын
"Nobody wants to drive a 30 year old diesel" *Cries in Mercedes 300D*
@iansmith514
@iansmith514 4 жыл бұрын
I'm crying with you in my mercedes s350d lol
@iKonographi
@iKonographi 4 жыл бұрын
I think we can exclude any older Mercedes from this comment 😏
@foxbat212
@foxbat212 4 жыл бұрын
The OM606 is a very good engine, if that's the engine you have, I did my apprenticeship in the late 80's early 90's on Mercedes trucks. German quality engineering.
@aldrichuyliong8143
@aldrichuyliong8143 4 жыл бұрын
@@iansmith514 And I'm crying with you both wishing I could find myself a decent condition 300SDL.
@TheBromBomb
@TheBromBomb 4 жыл бұрын
Crying in my 300tdi range rover classic
@istp1967
@istp1967 3 жыл бұрын
A $13 cassette shaped adaptor that plugs into your cellphone; means you can play mp3 files and use your phone's GPS in a car from the'90s ... That's what I do ...
@s1d3k1ckRO
@s1d3k1ckRO 3 жыл бұрын
Or you can get an FM - Bluetooth transmitter if you want to be wireless. There's not a huge loss of quality of you spend about 20 euros on one. And you get 2 charging ports (I have the roidmi 3s).
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 3 жыл бұрын
If you'd noticed, the unit in the dash in this video has one of those adaptors in it 2:45. You can see the cable coiled up and poked in it. An even better way with these BMW's is when they have a CD changer (common of this era) you can replace the changer with a small bluetooth unit that also has AUX input cable. It simply plugs into the cable used by the CD changer.
@donkosaurus
@donkosaurus 2 жыл бұрын
cassette->aux adaptors are fantastic
@rhiantaylor3446
@rhiantaylor3446 2 жыл бұрын
I have always thought that the main reason politicians chose to incentivise buying low CO2 cars was to minimise the country's fuel consumption. They were warned that low CO2 tended to mean higher NOX and of course NOX is more immediately harmful to the population.
@callummccubbing4506
@callummccubbing4506 4 жыл бұрын
I've said it before and i'll say it again, they're going after the motoring industry simply because they're an easier target. They should be going after the bigger companies who use far more resources than we do. Ie, cargo ships, airplanes, big factories pumping waste into the air every day. we'd see such a big impact almost immediately
@LR_84
@LR_84 4 жыл бұрын
Did you know that all social media data servers emit more than the aviation industry, strange we aren't told that ay?
@wolves1247
@wolves1247 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on - HGVs and shipping and aviation are far more polluting than cars but governments focus on the easy targets of individual drivers. Plus the move to electric cars is massively bias against low income families - they are expensive to buy and run and most people don’t have the ability to charge at home.
@hoonaticbloggs5402
@hoonaticbloggs5402 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta ask? What do you think comes in these tankers, ships and cargo planes ? Clue, everything in your house, and the fuel and parts for your old car. We are all part of the problem.
@LR_84
@LR_84 4 жыл бұрын
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 which is why population reduction is the only way to prevent it. Enter the room covid-19.
@callummccubbing4506
@callummccubbing4506 4 жыл бұрын
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 I meant more than that all of those things listed are one of the bigger issues. The fact that things are transported makes no odd of difference.
@IainRayYT
@IainRayYT 4 жыл бұрын
Got a sore neck from nodding in agreement all through this video.
@jayswarrow1196
@jayswarrow1196 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a pain in the point finger, after up-clicking so many spot-on comments.
@thehutt2
@thehutt2 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, my old golf has already offset two EV’s. People need to see the bigger picture. Great video Jay
@davidyoung9561
@davidyoung9561 3 жыл бұрын
I love the BMW straight six lumps. A thing of beauty and that sound is to die for.
@kevincrosby3030
@kevincrosby3030 2 жыл бұрын
I am near San Francisco, drive a 1995 525i manual, wife drives a 1998 Volvo S70 and we have a 2005 XC90 for trips to the mountains. The S70 is approaching 300K miles, the other two approaching 200K. So I suppose I agree with you! Simpler, more mechanical, quality cars with plentiful parts; keep them going as long as is practical. My business is testing emissions from industrial processes (power plants, oil refineries, etc.) including auto assembly. Steel, aluminium, rubber, plastic, paint, batteries - I have seen the production of all those commodities used in building cars - each has a significant Carbon footprint. We will continue to reduce all those emissions, and regulations do help push that progress - but should be written to avoid schemes that impoverish the poor. Meanwhile, re-use and recycle what we already have, and when it is time to move to something more recent, purchase thoughtfully for many years of use. .
@dasstig5274
@dasstig5274 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, when i was living in London recently everyone seemed to have new cars, all my colleagues leased cars two or less years old for a couple hundred quid a month or more. One guy who was only 20 signed up for a 3 year lease on a 2018 420i. And I bought an older 2002 330CI for 1850, it was a fine car. In 5 months of lease payments, he could have owned my car outright.
@swedish_sadhguru3854
@swedish_sadhguru3854 3 жыл бұрын
How do you even find and afford parking in London? I heard it costs like 20 pounds/hour. Can people really afford that if they park 8 hours/day? In Sweden (Stockholm) no one can afford cars because of expensive parking.
@dasstig5274
@dasstig5274 3 жыл бұрын
@@swedish_sadhguru3854 i dont think most of them used them to get directly to the office. Some went to public transport hubs. So glad I dont live in London anymore lol.
@swedish_sadhguru3854
@swedish_sadhguru3854 3 жыл бұрын
@@dasstig5274 That's so sad, same in Sweden too, I wish they were friendlier to car owners, should be possible to park outside the office like in Asia or USA.
@dasstig5274
@dasstig5274 3 жыл бұрын
@Dutch van der Linde ..Maybe his working class cousin that only buys shitboxes
@morosis82
@morosis82 3 жыл бұрын
There's a critical part of that puzzle that you're missing though - if, in 15 years you want to again buy a cheap old BMW, you'll only be able to find one because someone, 15 years ago, bought it new.
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
As Harry's garage went into in a recent video, I would have to run my current BMW for 100 years to make the same co2 amount as buying one new polestar electric and running that for ten years. The best thing we could do for the environment is keep what we have and stop building and buying new cars every year.
@coombsfh
@coombsfh 4 жыл бұрын
That video of Harry's was ace.
@TarmanYoloSwag
@TarmanYoloSwag 4 жыл бұрын
ICE vs EV is like 80kmiles. Do you seriously only drive 4 miles a week?
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@TarmanYoloSwag I'm comparing keeping an older car running to a new polestar 26 tons of carbon before it leaves the factory. My current car produced 220g/km of co2. How long do I need to drive to create 26 tons. Plus if that ev lives around the south of England the electricity isnt renewable so that 26 tons becomes a lot more. 50 over a ten year life 'if' renewable energy is used. Which it isn't in most of the UK. So I'm about 50 years driving my current gas guzzler to reach that. The biggest con was convincing people buying something new is better than keeping what you have. Compare that to one flight from London to New York and it becomes obvious the motorist is just a cashcow. I use about a ton to ton and a half a year if my calculations are correct. I think an ev makes sence if your planning on keeping it forever. If your keeping it less than ten years your creating more than your saving.
@cadriver2570
@cadriver2570 4 жыл бұрын
He only accounted for the burning of fossil, not the production, like the EV side did. Harry is great but that was half-baked.
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@cadriver2570 yeah that was the point. The 20 year old petrol cars was already built and it's mark is in the past. The point is it's better and less polluting keeping your old car running.
@Frank-1978
@Frank-1978 4 жыл бұрын
Planned obsolescence. One of the major flaws in our modern world. Totally agree with you. 👍✌
@cocojeffrey8502
@cocojeffrey8502 3 жыл бұрын
Scrap the MOT and the tax advantages for new purchases and depreciation. Yes give efficiency credits for more economical vehicles and those made from recycled materials. Over the life of the car it uses tens of thousands of litres of fuel, if the cost of the fuel exceeds the purchase price, that gives you an idea of how much resources it took to create.
@shanepatrick641
@shanepatrick641 Жыл бұрын
@@cocojeffrey8502 I think the MOT should be scrapped as well.
@tylerdurden3788
@tylerdurden3788 3 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely with you! Driving a 1998 5 Cyl. Volvo S80 - as second hand owner - with roughly 80k miles on the clock is a bliss compared to all these small sized EV worth a cottage. Old car, smooth ride... Btw: USB/BT connection is provided by a nifty €5,- Dongle in the lighter socket.
@davidmwood560
@davidmwood560 Жыл бұрын
First, the comparisons. Building just the battery pack for an electric Mini has been calculated to produce similar quantities of Co2 as driving a petrol powered car with a 2 litre injected engine for approximately 500,000 miles! My 2006 Lexus GS300 with 142,000 miles on it has probably produced about the same environmental damage as a £70,000 EV that has yet to be driven. Cleaner still (by a very long way) is my 1999 Audi A8 3·7 litre 40 valve V8 Quattro running on LPG! In fact, I've decided to re-commission the Audi (which is in show-winning condition) and sell my Lexus and my 30 year old Mercedes-Benz C220. Then use my lovely Audi as my daily driver. When it was MoT'd, the emissions were so low that they couldn't be measured. You're absolutely right about older cars being better in these crazy times and if I didn't have my Audi, I'd buy a late 90's BMW 728i
@trevorsutherland5263
@trevorsutherland5263 4 жыл бұрын
Venezuelans and Cubans are like "we've known this isht for 60 years you fools! What took you so long!!!"
@charliekarting3401
@charliekarting3401 4 жыл бұрын
I used to like owning big lumps like the straight 6 Jags & 7 series of the 90's as they where big luxury cars but weren't scary to own, unlike the newer ones that are just to complicated & expensive to fix
@henrikbragge
@henrikbragge 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a big Jag from 2003 which is like a ship. I treat it with affection, fix it and drive it, and it even takes petrol with a big part of renewable fuel. I bet that this must be good for the environment. I agree with the rest of the intelligent comments here.
@sparky4878
@sparky4878 4 жыл бұрын
@@henrikbragge which one? Same here, an ‘03 XKR. Yes it’s cost money as had some work done, notorious chassis weak spots and subframe mounts etc, but still less than the depreciation on a new car and can sell it for what I paid for it.
@gtjtst
@gtjtst 4 жыл бұрын
The whole thing is as you said, a tax on the poor. This whole climate hystaria absolutely blasts the people that aren't so wealthy.
@jmbpinto73
@jmbpinto73 3 жыл бұрын
Is a new line of business, "Geenwashing".
@kevinsaysyuh
@kevinsaysyuh 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the point of this is to let poor stay with the older, cheaper cars that use diesel or gas, while the rich or mid class get the newer green cars, and eventually as the poor start transitioning to green cars, the world is eventually going to get better.
@jmbpinto73
@jmbpinto73 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinsaysyuh The poor will be poor and use mass transport, the rich will have the latest, and middle class will be impoverished trying to keep up the pace.
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 3 жыл бұрын
Except it's not 'hysteria'. It's a genuine problem and we have to deal with it or completely fuck the place up, risking drastic societal collapse, a refugee crises like you've never seen before and general untold misery just because people can't get their heads around not burning stuff. We've sat on our hands for 20 years so now things are getting really sticky. The poor will suffer more than the rich from climate change and they have a great deal more to gain from actually dealing with it, rather than just letting it get worse. They also benefit from a shift to more active transport, local living and less gratuitous consumption. It's all about the choices we make.
@gtjtst
@gtjtst 3 жыл бұрын
@@xxwookey Not a single prediction made in the last 50 years has come true. The timeline always gets pushed back. Do idk man, seems like a bunch of BS to me.
@jwmurphyccsis
@jwmurphyccsis 2 жыл бұрын
Well done for highlighting the ridiculous position the world is now in as a result of the politicisation of climate change, resulting in irrational policies that will not decrease the level of man made carbon but will reduce the standard of living for the common person. All of this decided by people who are wealthy, ignorant or on the public service gravy chain.
@edwodehouse9528
@edwodehouse9528 2 жыл бұрын
Try a Morris Minor. Over 50 years of amortization of the manufacturing energy. Really cheap parts, and you can fix it yourself if you want to. Also it will do 40 mpg. No road tax, cheap insurance, Ulez exempt, and it doesn't depreciate. Fun handling, and a good ride.
@hughtubecube
@hughtubecube 4 жыл бұрын
The best argument in this video is definitely the “tax on the poor” one. BUT the best argument on this topic that I’ve heard was Harry Metcalfe discussing the harm EVs do to the environment relative to ICE cars throughout their life-cycle.
@guusguusguus
@guusguusguus 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, EVs produce more carbon initially but by modernizing our energy supply, the use of EVs will slowly become close to carbon neutral over time. At that point, buying one EV to use for an incredibly long time, which runs on 'green energy' is the greenest option we have and something that car users will have to get used to. Also, EVs are becoming less harmful during production still, while petrol cars are essentially 'out-developed'. In the end, driving any sort of car is harmful to the environment anyway; we'll have to get used to driving less and help others in transitioning, if we want to be able to drive for fun for years to come!
@Isclachau
@Isclachau 4 жыл бұрын
@@guusguusguus 😂😂Cloud cuckoo land. You must be advising Boris
@jeromezone
@jeromezone 4 жыл бұрын
If you watch Harry’s video carefully he only takes into account the first 3 years of the EV.
@woutermollema
@woutermollema 4 жыл бұрын
An electric car you own for 20 years will be better than any ICE car doing the same. Still, keep those old cars running.
@ColonelBobfed
@ColonelBobfed 4 жыл бұрын
@@woutermollema Good luck making the massive lithium batteries last 20 years.
@E_tiBEAMERBOY
@E_tiBEAMERBOY 4 жыл бұрын
Timeless E38! We didn’t get inline 6’s in the states just the V8 and 12! Old BMW’s ftw!
@hashim_iraq
@hashim_iraq 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I wish we had I6 instead of the V8 and their endless issues or V12 that’s hard to deal with. I’m planning to import an 728i.
@E_tiBEAMERBOY
@E_tiBEAMERBOY 4 жыл бұрын
@@hashim_iraq that seems really worth it! Great idea Def would do the same
@bidenisgod6978
@bidenisgod6978 3 жыл бұрын
Owned a e34 a e23 e90 and currently own a e60. I totally would trade any of them for my old e23 or e34
@E_tiBEAMERBOY
@E_tiBEAMERBOY 3 жыл бұрын
@@bidenisgod6978 def wit you on that one the e23 and e34 are sum gorgeous rides!
@bidenisgod6978
@bidenisgod6978 3 жыл бұрын
@@E_tiBEAMERBOY yeah they are I'd prob choose the e34
@regboss6237
@regboss6237 4 жыл бұрын
These luxury cars from the 90's were the best thing ever, like driving around on a sofa, proper luxury!!!!!!!
@jonscoupe
@jonscoupe 4 жыл бұрын
... And potential investment 👍.
@regboss6237
@regboss6237 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonscoupe Yep they are rising in price now
@oldmayyyte
@oldmayyyte 2 жыл бұрын
You’ve e nailed it! Consuming our way out of this was never going to be the answer
@davidmwood560
@davidmwood560 Жыл бұрын
You're spot-on with just about all you've said. EVs are expensive, heavy, and lack any kind of practical range. They've become as costly to fill as a petrol/diesel car and it takes at least 10 time longer to charge...if you can actually find a working charger. We simply do not have the infrastructure to support EVs; and it'll take nearly 30 years to provide the required infrastructure. Lithium is likely to run out in 20 years! Do the sums. Then, what do we replace lithium with? Cobalt perhaps? In which case we'd have close to 30% heavier vehicles, which many people wouldn't be licensed to drive! I did a comprehensive comparison test with a claimed 370 mile EV and my own Lexus between York Mindter and Truro Cathedral (426 miles). 2 runs each, one solo and one laden. The EV managed just over 100 miles laden, took two and a half DAYS to do the run, cost over £400 against my Lexus; a consistent 7·5 hours and under £100 on each trip. I rest my case. A well cared for 21 year old luxury car is the winning formula
@shanepatrick641
@shanepatrick641 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Of course they all want to ride the band wagon! 🙄
@ReeceT20
@ReeceT20 4 жыл бұрын
The part about a tax on the poor is definitely true, reminds me very much of the sugar tax from a few years ago that all of the middleclass from surrey must be struggling with...
@IntergalacticBinman
@IntergalacticBinman 4 жыл бұрын
If the penalty of a crime or action is a fine, that law only exists for the lower class.
@-ac-8296
@-ac-8296 4 жыл бұрын
@Geoff Burns if only
@RutgerSmets
@RutgerSmets 4 жыл бұрын
@@adii2461 exactly, which is why we need to punish the rich by taking their time instead of some (for them) insignificant money
@fenn_fren
@fenn_fren 3 жыл бұрын
@Geoff Burns Finland does a good job at that
@Kasim_Mahmood
@Kasim_Mahmood 4 жыл бұрын
Old is gold. Love this example
@alen_887
@alen_887 4 жыл бұрын
I hav an 2005 X5 3.0 Diesel. Intend to maintain and drive this car until beyond possible to fix.
@olik136
@olik136 4 жыл бұрын
@@alen_887 or outlawed- like in Germany with the environmental zones in cities
@alen_887
@alen_887 4 жыл бұрын
@@olik136 I don't like cities. Don't go there, or want to. But yes, government can outlaw.. but keep it. Long term it will be a win.
@timbre7999
@timbre7999 4 жыл бұрын
@@alen_887 agree with that completely and with keeping/maintaining your BMW diesel youngtimer; those were and are brilliant cars.
@ashokmathur137
@ashokmathur137 Жыл бұрын
Well said. EVs being exempt from a congestion charge is illogical.
@johnacteson5503
@johnacteson5503 4 жыл бұрын
Everything changed with finance. I can remember when I was young in the '70s and '80s when my mother's Street only had 4 or five cars in it. Now each house has at least 2. Then, if you couldn't buy a car out right or had a golden credit you just couldn't afford to have one.
@peterkovac7750
@peterkovac7750 3 жыл бұрын
Times before the debt economy :(
@HermanWillems
@HermanWillems 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the 90's where 80% off the people took loans for cars. This is now different. People now save for a car. So yeah you can say back in the day it was better. But now its getting better again. I know very little people nowdays with a car loan.
@leebuckles2364
@leebuckles2364 4 жыл бұрын
Never had a new car and probably never will so I will keep running older/secondhand cars
@mikexhotmail
@mikexhotmail 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. Cheap also really stand out lol.
@Termiic
@Termiic 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikexhotmail cheap also means no one wants to steal your car. Insurance (accident free) is like 7eur/month and a new starter motor costs about 20 and you can replace it by yourself in the back yard.
@jmbpinto73
@jmbpinto73 3 жыл бұрын
You are saving the world by re-using cars someone else used before, and preventing them to go to waste. Cheers! :)
@Termiic
@Termiic 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmbpinto73absolutely true and seemingly highly unpopular opinion.
@Tonygarageuk
@Tonygarageuk 4 жыл бұрын
Harry's Garage did a great video about the 2030 ban breaking down the carbon footprint of having a new electric car every 3 years like people do on these leases, it ended up being astronomical with an electric car creating 50% more carbon than a regular fuel powered car during manufacturing
@StratoArticA
@StratoArticA 3 жыл бұрын
Electric car is not so safe, when The battery Burns. There IS not many ways to stop it from burning down.
@ivanmunoz9055
@ivanmunoz9055 3 жыл бұрын
I think people don't know how the batteries are made, what happens with them when they broke and how coltan (I don't know if that is how the mineral is called in english) is extracted.
@thelongboarddude95
@thelongboarddude95 3 жыл бұрын
I'm very fine with that as it will enable me and other people with a smaller income to afford one on the second hand market
@philen
@philen 3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanmunoz9055 The mineral mined and refined by child labourers and slaves? Cobolt.
@ivanmunoz9055
@ivanmunoz9055 3 жыл бұрын
@@philen yeah that one
@willleahy6958
@willleahy6958 3 жыл бұрын
My daily drive is a 1996 Mercedes Benz W202 C200 wagon. It owes me nothing and is a pleasure to drive. By the way, a bluetooth cassette converter is available, obviating the need to put an after-market stereo in an older car.
@asgerschnuchel8144
@asgerschnuchel8144 4 жыл бұрын
In regards to the milage problem, i dont have numbers from the UK, but in my home country(Denmark), the average milage for a scrapped car is 110k miles. A newspaper did a calculation in terms of c02 on a nissan leaf. You needed to do 180k in the leaf, running on all c0s neutral electricity to offset the production emmisions compared to a 2015 diesel Passat
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment about old auto transmissions is so true. I much prefer an old 4 speed to a modern gearbox that is always trying to figure out which gear to be in.
@bjoern.lindeberg667
@bjoern.lindeberg667 4 жыл бұрын
My E38 730d has a 5speed auto and never felt it did not know what speed to select and it have to option sport mode. My 740dx has a 8 speed that some times has a problem to find the right speed, but only when in the winter when the engine is cold.
@kleincom
@kleincom 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on! Your comment on pulling away in an "old" car, is 100% spot on mate!
@jbisham8986
@jbisham8986 4 жыл бұрын
Good video , Volvo/ polestar have produced some interesting stats on this . On average the manufacture of an electric car generates 63% more C02 than a petrol or diesel equivalent . As a result Volvo have determined that a polestar 2 needs to run for 78,000 km before it’s carbon footprint is smaller than a diesel xc40 .
@ivanmunoz9055
@ivanmunoz9055 3 жыл бұрын
How long did the batteries last? Because I assume they could last that long and if that's not the case it should be taken into account
@nixer65
@nixer65 4 жыл бұрын
@JayEmm on Cars May I also recommend an old Volvo as an excellent choice - then you don’t have to compromise so much on 20 year old car safety. I am a particular fan of the 850 (although the R versions are starting to become a desirable classic!) and the V70. The 5 pot petrol and diesels can easily do 250k miles and the interiors hold up incredibly well (especially the leather seats).
@joebloggs4191
@joebloggs4191 4 жыл бұрын
100% agree which is why I handed back my 2016 118d at the end of it's 3 year lease and bought instead for cash a 2010 BMW Z4 with an old school NA 6 Cylinder 3 litre engine with just 33,000 miles! Exactly as you put it for what little mileage I do (less than 10,000 a year) I just couldn't see what use I was getting from a new car every 3 years, seem to be a total waste. It's just bonkers. Most people I know these days buy on PCP especially the younger generation, they don't understand the implications as pointed out in this video or the financial implications of buying on finance. If you can't afford to pay in cash 3 to 5 times the value of the car then you can't properly afford it. My 10 year Z4 gives me way more enjoyment than my brand new 1 series ever did, it has a silky smooth NA 6 cylinder engine doesn't have the stupid stop start or laggy turbo and for just 150 quid I installed an MMI box to give me Apple CarPlay which brings the infotainment bang up to date. I can't see my myself parting with this beauty anytime soon!
@FootToPedal
@FootToPedal 4 жыл бұрын
You make some very very good points here James! I don't understand how pushing millions of people to EV's which are bought on PCP deals and swapped every 3 years can ever be better for the environment than using something older like this E38. Think of all the emissions involved in the production of a new car, not to mention the fact that currently a significant proportion of the electricity used in that EV is still made by fossil fuels...
@skipijs5316
@skipijs5316 4 жыл бұрын
Such a great example of E38. As new inside and outside without any 💩 tuning, blacked out grills, loud exhaust and stereo system bigger than car it self.
@MrFredscrap
@MrFredscrap 4 жыл бұрын
In Asia (and eastern europe) there is a large market of aftermarket headunits for older cars (yes even that 20 year old BMW) to have Android based audio and gps systems.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 4 жыл бұрын
Ebay is littered with them. Provided you have some skills, its easy to put in the car. The alternative is to get a simple dash to DIN adapter, and you can fit any head unit of your choice for a reasonable sum of a few hundred.
@Deepthought-42
@Deepthought-42 Жыл бұрын
Smooth lines that are so easy on the eye compared to modern designs that grate. Regardless of powertrain there are few modern cars that I aspire to and definitely not an EV where I am forced to stop and buy coffee that I don’t want to recharge.
@robbievangeenenNL
@robbievangeenenNL 3 жыл бұрын
I don't do a lot of driving, especially the last 12 months for obvious reasons. Most drives I do take are over 450kms. I'd been eying a Phaeton ever since the early 2000s but never came into range budget wise. The enormous depcriciation of this class of cars meant that by December of 2019 I was able to lay my hands on a W12 from 2002. Since then every trip I make with the car is an absolute treat. I'm able to do most of the maintenance myself which keeps costs reasonable. So obviously I couldn't agree more with your experience. And congratulations to Moustafa on being able to enjoy this gem of German engineering.
@BlackBurn1020
@BlackBurn1020 4 жыл бұрын
I switched from a 1-year-lease to a 1999 740i with around 200.000 miles. So far it has been the best financial decision I have made. After 8 months and ~15.000 miles it cost me far less than my lease would have. I totally agree with your argument for using the cars already there instead of producing new cars (even tho I work for a car manufacturer).
@patrickkambali9469
@patrickkambali9469 3 жыл бұрын
Great thought, great video...May I add that modern gadgets if deemed essential can be retrofitted to your ultimate driving machine, Satnav, bluetooth, Reverse cameras, etc can easily be fitted without braking the bank.
@MrJFuk
@MrJFuk 4 жыл бұрын
I've been saying the same thing for several years. 10 years from now who's going to buy a used electric car, and what happens to the old batteries? Thank you.
@matthewcammish4474
@matthewcammish4474 4 жыл бұрын
You probably have to spend 8 grand on a new battery to make it usable lol
@paulillingworth1242
@paulillingworth1242 4 жыл бұрын
Well said 👍🏼
@TheJere213
@TheJere213 3 жыл бұрын
That depends a lot on the battery developement too. If we can develope batteries that have 1. higher energy density 2. much longer lifespan and 3. cheap prices, then used electric cars could be a good option in future too. Meanwhile though I think electric cars are not worth it for average people.
@Chris-techgamesfood
@Chris-techgamesfood Жыл бұрын
Spot on, surely keeping older vehicles working, perhaps updating their parts etc, is better than keep building new cars. How is good for the environment to build new and scrap old constantly?
@silkdestroyer
@silkdestroyer Жыл бұрын
My most modern car is a 2002 CLK 320, with just over 61 000 miles. It is as modern as I want to get. It's very tidy, if not perfect, but I find it very comfortable on a long run ,it is very practical, (I can get a full sized bike in the back with the front wheel off, and the engine is as smooth as anything. I'm lucky that I don't "have" to drive at any time. All of my driving is for pleasure, but I only do about 3000 miles a year, in all of my cars. It is therefore very annoying to face having to pay extra to drive a "more polluting car". (My other cars are a 1985 Citroen CX, '89 XM, '49 Renault 760, and, finally, a '73, Merak SS engined SM.
@JP212nyc
@JP212nyc 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! And may I point out that especially old BMWs with the M52 and M54 engines can be easily converted to run on LPG, thus effectively halving fuel costs while lowering emissions at the same time. Greetings from Germany, E39 520i touring, 407000km (300000 + on LPG) and still going strong ...
@martinboulden3540
@martinboulden3540 4 жыл бұрын
Subject to your funds in today’s modern world any interesting spec old BMW, Mercedes or Porsche is so much more rewarding to own and can be easy on the pocket with a good local independent service specialist. Ideally in more interesting colours than todays boring blacks and silver with boring and dull black leather ! Be it a 190e 2.6, or a 535i or a high spec early 987.
@neilgaydon5430
@neilgaydon5430 4 жыл бұрын
Check out Harry’s Garage on electric vs ICE, he’s done good research on it. Bottom line, if you plan to change your electric car every 3 years with or without a PCP the damage to the environment of producing a new car is significant and we will need to get used to keeping our cars for 10+ years. Now that is going to be a bitter pill for car companies and consumers alike to swallow.
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
I apparently would have to run my current BMW for 200 years to produce the same co2 as buying one new electric and keeping it for ten years. That's not even going into the lithium mining and the future cost that will have when people don't keep their electric cars forever.
@neilgaydon5430
@neilgaydon5430 4 жыл бұрын
@@thistimeimhere Rather than tax the petrol heads they should reward those who keep their cars by gradually reducing car tax the longer you keep them.
@ericpisch2732
@ericpisch2732 4 жыл бұрын
Harry’s video contained a lot of bollocks and the report he quoted was discredited two days after his vid posted. Unfortunately ICE addicts will try to justify their selfish logic anyway they can
@neilgaydon5430
@neilgaydon5430 4 жыл бұрын
@@ericpisch2732 it was a pleasant and humorous debate up until the zealots pile in
@thistimeimhere
@thistimeimhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@neilgaydon5430 I agree why am I being punished for keeping my car for ten years while the guy who has bought a new car every year for 10 years is somehow seen as better. He will have produced more waste in that ten years than I will my entire life purely because I keep things rather than replacing them.
@P.Galore
@P.Galore Жыл бұрын
I gave up on new cars in the early 1990's. Instead of a new car, I own several classics - 5 in fact. My NEWEST car is a 1998 BMW 318ti M Sport and my daily driver is a 1993 MBZ 300e 2.8.
@DjAlyX1
@DjAlyX1 2 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest issue is legislation is driven by political gain and not actually to benefit the average person or the environment.
@chris9650
@chris9650 4 жыл бұрын
Se thing as Harry came out with recently, sad bit is that cars nowadays aren't designed to last any length of time.
@bentullett6068
@bentullett6068 4 жыл бұрын
A Tesla is a great example of crap build quality. It's got similar standards to old British Leyland cars like bad paint work, uneven panel gaps and occasionally the bodywork like the roof flies away.
@thomas316
@thomas316 4 жыл бұрын
If consumers in any way valued longevity and economy in cars we'd all be driving around 90s Toyotas. People only really want new and shiny at a low price. That means manufacturers build cars with short lifespans.
@hueyfinesse
@hueyfinesse 4 жыл бұрын
@@bentullett6068 teslas are only here to break down that wall, wait until all the major brands start making electric cars and you’il see good quality cars again
@chris9650
@chris9650 4 жыл бұрын
@@hueyfinesse sadly I don't think so. Car companies have built the model on making things not worth fixing after a certain time frame and selling a new car every 3 years on 'cheap' credit. Unless something major happens quality cars are a thing of the past sadly. Not just the car business pulling the same moves.
@bentullett6068
@bentullett6068 4 жыл бұрын
@@hueyfinesse I know in fairness the MG and Peugeot cars look ok as they don't look alien like all of other electric cars. However I am more interested in hydrogen powered vehicles and tech as it seems more interesting technology than electric plus there have been advancements in the green production of hydrogen.
@mpc007
@mpc007 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I drive an E46 325Ci with 340.000 kms and it's still a very nice car. Sure, it needs its maintenance to keep the experience as good as it once was, but high mileage is indeed underrated with certain cars.
@daveld1
@daveld1 2 жыл бұрын
The only car you ever need... 💪
@kellysmith1421
@kellysmith1421 Жыл бұрын
@@daveld1 yes totally agree I drive a 330ci vert 130k and everything works and looks great doesn’t miss a beat
@Andy-pu2iv
@Andy-pu2iv 4 жыл бұрын
I am skint. Always have been, probably always will be. But it's not the gruel slurping existence that the popular press would have you believe. I also live out in the sticks without much, if anything, in the way of public transport. So when my 800 quid Honda died about six months ago, I happened upon a 600 quid Saab 95. It's lovely. Leather everywhere, pokey motor, great ride, loads of space. It was slightly incontinent regards oil, but that's been sorted now. I'm reasonably handy with a set of spanners and I reckon I can keep the old Swede going until tinworm comes to claim it. So, yes James. I agree entirely, Keep these old motors going for as long as possible because the effort that was put into making it in the first place must surely offset the effort to replace it before it's time. And I'm skint.
@HermanWillems
@HermanWillems 3 жыл бұрын
What is your total cost each month. I get your idea. But can you quantify it? I mean the problem in my country the Netherlands is that roadtax is based on weight. Insurance and fuel economy weight prettt heavily. I can drive a second hand VW up for around 223 euro a month. Including: road tax, insurance, repairs, gasoline(55km a day), depreciation. I bet your car is not cheaper. Its heavy which means alot tax, insurance probably okish, repairs(depends, variable), gasoline.. probably alot, depreciation is probably none. How much does it cost each month total?
@bartek_15
@bartek_15 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am actually considering a 728i myself and you have just given me another great reason to buy one of these gems before they get far too expensive to obtain. I’m 24 and I’m really bored of seeing turbo hatchbacks everywhere and I’ve always dreamed of owning a classic/vintage bmw, cannot think of a better time to do so! Well said.
@MisoElEven
@MisoElEven Жыл бұрын
Great engine, I have it in an E39 but I cant really imagine it being as great in an E38 just because of the added weight..but it should be pretty good. Did you get the car in the end?
@lumasec2443
@lumasec2443 2 жыл бұрын
I had a fully loaded 735i facelift sporty shorty, and to this day I still miss it, best car I have ever had to just put a smile on my face every time I got in it, smelled amazing, super comfortable, cheap to run, super drive both for cruising and also a bit of fun, couldn’t think of a better all rounder for the money
@MisoElEven
@MisoElEven Жыл бұрын
I would say the E39 would be a better all rounder, but yeah it was a great feeling sitting in an E38 right after driving my fathers Škoda Favorit :DD just to think how great some cars (E38 in particular) were compared to some shitboxes made at the time....damn.. put 200-300€ on an android radio and you have pretty much everything you would expect from a modern car, nothing important is missing and on top of all that its made from better materials than most new cars of today
@rickwilkinson1843
@rickwilkinson1843 4 жыл бұрын
I've just bought a 20 year old Volvo S80 petrol. I agree with you, I'll stick to my old cars
@theodor12
@theodor12 4 жыл бұрын
It's ok if you people in Western Europe get rid of your cars after a few years because we in Eastern Europe snap them up at good prices 😉
@zsoltpapp3363
@zsoltpapp3363 4 жыл бұрын
except the crappy right hand drive UK garbage
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 4 жыл бұрын
rhd kits exist.
@rabbitdrink
@rabbitdrink 3 жыл бұрын
_cries in american_
@STARDRIVE
@STARDRIVE 3 жыл бұрын
And run them on cheap gas, since demand drops too.
@V59971
@V59971 3 жыл бұрын
We will be waiting for those cars here in Africa
@compostboomtron9001
@compostboomtron9001 4 жыл бұрын
I think far more people (petrolheads and normal people) need to watch this video. I'm glad someone like James has portrayed these problems, I thought only a few people were aware of the combination of the mentioned issues
@MrLackLanda
@MrLackLanda Жыл бұрын
A Swedish study found that manufacturing lithium-ion batteries releases an enormous amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere -- so much CO2, in fact, that an article accompanying the study estimated that an EV boasting a 100 kilowatt-hour battery would take 8.2 years of driving before it became greener than a gasoline-powered car.
@michaelthomas2865
@michaelthomas2865 4 жыл бұрын
Firstly nice to see you are safe and healthy, especially in the current climate. Excellent video, that strikes at the core of issue regards cars, buying them and emissions. I would love to buy a new car, however, I can't afford one £20-30K is well beyond my budget (and I guess many people), hence I (and many others) buy what I (we) can afford (used). Also many older cars (BMW 728i) a just better looking than their modern alternatives (Renault - Zoë). Stay safe and healthy, and keep up the good work.
@MichaelFalcon-g3f
@MichaelFalcon-g3f 4 жыл бұрын
I just clicked to see my dream car, but was really glad to hear your thoughts . I also think that some old classics are better for people and the planet grid wise . And my idea is to use them instead of new "cheap" cars, furthermore I am working on how to merge the new tech with older cars, so that classics could get ev bolt-on kits with a decent mileage . Great video, thank you
@Mr42lives
@Mr42lives 4 жыл бұрын
I have been working in business related to both EVs and ICE cars in Ukraine and I have come to exactly the same conclusion myself. Thank you for speaking out the truth!
@pavelpshichenko3276
@pavelpshichenko3276 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned a 2005 Honda Civic up to about 450,000 miles and still sold it for $750. I plan to get my current civic to 1,000,000 miles :)
@derekstocker6661
@derekstocker6661 Жыл бұрын
Well done on this, brilliant cars and still amazing to look at and to drive or be driven in. There was a YT presenter recently talking about electric cars, he went on a trip to the north of England and had to wait three hours to charge his electric car as there were two people in front of him and his car apparently took about an hour to charge. Not the very best of problems you want on a long journey!
@ianbone905
@ianbone905 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I drive a 2003 Toyota Avensis 2litre vvti auto. T-Spirit estate. I bought it 2 years ago for £2k and it has now done 84k miles which for Toyota is barely run in. It does around 30mph (albeit on Uber expensive premium petrol). It’s a superb car if not very exciting - we’ll equipped, comfortable and drives beautifully. It looks and drives like a fairly new car. Keeping it on the road saves all the very well hidden environmental costs of producing a new electric cars.
@guyreynolds4466
@guyreynolds4466 4 жыл бұрын
The best review you have ever done. Calm, considered and funny.
@andrewnichols1023
@andrewnichols1023 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a teenager I used to clean neighbours cars on my drive, I cleaned a 7 series like that one when it was a few years old. I loved it and thought what a lucky guy, now they fetch a few grand and very affordable, if you find one looked after, they are still reliable and an absolute bargain, still built well with no crazy new electrical new gizmos to go wrong.
@caha9583
@caha9583 9 ай бұрын
ehhmm, no those cars are anything but reliable
@andrewnichols1023
@andrewnichols1023 9 ай бұрын
@@caha9583 by today’s standard, totally are with no gizmos.
@stav2002
@stav2002 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly the true reality of ecology will never be embraced by a government like it should. Appearances are far more important than a actual chsnge for the better Imagine if they subsidised and gave grants for keeping old cars running like they do electric cars. Hopefully one day petrol cars can be hydrogen converted.
@Apoptosis1980
@Apoptosis1980 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing rant (waffle)!! This issue plays on my mind a lot. We should never 'pull the reigns to hard', but slow down and gently steer our way to success. Legislation is pushing too hard in a short sighted manner to put all the eggs in one basket. On the EV subject I am afraid that by pushing everyone to rely solely on one power source, which is already used for everything else we do outside of transport, we will uncover unforeseen limitations or issues. Not to mention the environmental damage battery mineral mining will cause once scaled up. And not to mention the CO2 emissions involved in rewiring the EV charging infrastructure. I bought my E65 Sport 2 years ago, I use it for daily long distance commute and I feel I rarely have to fill up. Repair bills don't scare me as I'm not tied to a finance deal. And I intend to keep it for long enough that it might even start to appreciate! Keep up the good work.
@itikutok6568
@itikutok6568 Жыл бұрын
Spot on! That's my position as well: buying a 2003 Honda Accord, 2.4 gasoline engine would have a smaller carbon footprint than buying a brand new EV, provided I even had the money for it! Why: 1. Building a brand new car would emit large quantities of CO2 and would require many other vehicles (petrol of course) to produce it. The old petrol car's development and building is already done. 2. Developing a new technology will always consume more energy and recourses than perfecting an old one. We can keep making hybrids and more efficient engines. 3. You have to build new factories and still mine the necessary raw materials, again - vast quantities of energy and done by petrol vehicles. 4. You have to build a brand new infrastructure from the ground up - which is probably the biggest culprit here. We already have a vast petrol infrastructure. 5. Then you have to scrap the old infrastructure - recourses, money and CO2 - absolutely pointless. 6. By the time the EV would supposedly overtake a petrol car on CO2 emissions in a lifetime, the EV would be out of warranty and the battery would have had most of its useful cycles. 7. Then comes all the waste that millions upon millions of shot batteries would produce. It would be an environmental crisis like we have never seen. 8. Last but not least, instead of buying a brand new EV for 35,000 euro, I bought my Honda for 4500 Euro, so I have around 30,000 euro to spend on fuel, maintenance and other stuff. Those are just on the surface and the obvious ones, of course, there are more once you dig in. Once you start to understand how much fuel the aviation industry consumes a day, then you start to see that cars are actually the smallest contributor from transportation point. None of people who claim to be out there saving the planet, whatever that means, on a false premise that they can somehow shape the future of nature and avoid an unprovable catastrophe, all of them are there to make you pay for building their new industry, so our owners don't have to pay for it themselves. I wish more people paid attention in math a science class when they were young. We are suffering mass ignorance and lack of critical thinking and can be swayed all too easily by the green cult.
@shanepatrick641
@shanepatrick641 Жыл бұрын
I know, it's a shame people aren't actually using their brains. All Sheep! Following a herd, even if it's to their death.
@trevormacdougall9385
@trevormacdougall9385 4 жыл бұрын
Harry’s Garage did a good video on the EV environmental impact and the future of classic cars. Spoiler...classics will be around for a long time.
@warriorharj79
@warriorharj79 3 жыл бұрын
Can u sum it up plz?
@richards1028
@richards1028 3 жыл бұрын
They are indeed lovely cars. I always found as well that the V8 and V12 compared favourably to the V6 at motorway speeds. (I’ve owned quite a few.)
@RogerBaileyOnCars
@RogerBaileyOnCars 4 жыл бұрын
May I suggest cutting this video down a bit, keep out the car review bits and send the rest about our transportation to a few news desks, the general media and public should hear these opinions
@stephankyle6460
@stephankyle6460 2 жыл бұрын
Noise and bluster is literally all humanity is about. Oh and killing each other. Can't forget that favorite pastime.
@adriansun1191
@adriansun1191 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent commentary on where we’re at, and what the future holds (re legislation). I’ve owned my W124 E280 for 12 years. In that time I’ve covered 150,000 kilometres. Currently though I do around only 100 km per week, and one days when I’m not working I usually walk or use public transport. While it does cost perhaps 2k in maintenance very couple of years, there is no depreciation and I still enjoy driving it.
@philipholyer3796
@philipholyer3796 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, if a car exists and is well looked after, it is greener to use it, rather than buy a new car. My 22 year old Fiesta cost me £250 5 years ago with 20,000 on the clock, it's just turned 100,000 miles now and just had it's first clutch and front discs. It will do 47 mpg too. Stuff modern cars.
@shanepatrick641
@shanepatrick641 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree! 100%
@popstars4444
@popstars4444 3 жыл бұрын
this is one of the few car channels that gets the sound perfect, well done, looks like you have a dead cat mic shield on a lavalier, sounds brilliant though, everyone should take note
@xaviereloquin4784
@xaviereloquin4784 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay. I've agonised over my motoring choices (e90 m3 - just had to have one of the last NA v8s) but then feel guilty when my electric friends shame my gas guzzling ways. I plan to keep it forever. Happy to lavish a couple of grand a year on a work of art that gives me joy (and acceleration) with my family on board. Only now, I'm wondering about the more mature shabby chic of an e38...
@shanepatrick641
@shanepatrick641 Жыл бұрын
Dude, don't be ashamed of it. Screw what your friends think. They are brainwashed.
@coldvaper
@coldvaper 4 жыл бұрын
Politicians love to pretend....
@itassiwarrior
@itassiwarrior 4 жыл бұрын
A very thought provoking presentation. I am very proud to say I own a 1999 V registered E38 2.8i with 74000 miles on the clock, I am the second owner having purchased it in 2008 and it is the best car I have ever owned, long term it has not been excessively expensive to maintain and it is always a pleasure to get in and drive. These fabulous models were built to last, as long long as you stick to BMW's servicing and maintenance schedules.
@ranichso735
@ranichso735 3 жыл бұрын
The average person, who lives in a flat conversion in a city, does not have the option to charge an EV. An battery lasts 8 years or less and replacing the battery on an 8 year old car will cost more than the car is worth so it will get thrown away. Diesel is not dead, outside the UK you have bio-Diesel as well as ethanol for the greenies to run old cars and be more green than an electric car.
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