Why Palm Strikes Suck

[@ArmchairViolence]

QUIT BRINGING UP BAS RUTTEN! He used palm strikes because he wasn't ALLOWED to throw punches to the head. But he DID punch to the body: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gprYfKiajJh6b5Y On targets where he could do either, he chose to punch. He only used palm strikes when he had to. Because he's smart.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

To be fair, you can be a lot more reckless punching the body without it hurting you, but open-handed "thwaps" use the same reflexes and biomechanics apes use climbing trees so you don't hurt yourself even if you hit something awkwardly. So maybe six of one, half dozen of the other. Now people wear gloves that specifically cater to punching so that context is different.

[@mattmarzula]

Okay. Fine... But, Bas Rutten would agree.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

​@@mattmarzula Bas would definitely be team "punching isn't the only hotness"

[@kadarr7953]

No, its because he is a professional fighter with years of experience hitting things with the fists and he also did Kyokushin karate that is the best of the best doing bare fist strikes. Bass rutten knoking out people with palms only prove that palm strikes doesnt actually sucks, if you KNOW how to use them they are a legit strike to use and even better in some situations. Dude just hear to Bas Rutten talking about it and teaching it. 1v1 use fist, 2v1 use palms. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ6ThKx7pshqpNU

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

@@kadarr7953 Not seeing any conventional punches there. Was your intent to discredit boxing as a fake martial art? Because if so you're my hero.

[@fistsmcnasty]

I'm sorry, they use palm strikes in Star Trek, so they are the future punches.

[@AugustMMA]

That's the only good point I've heard.🤣🤣

[@stevenscott2136]

What about Kirk's "double clenched hands"? He took down a lot of people with that.

[@PerSchjonsby]

@@stevenscott2136 you can't argue with that. Optimus Prime did that to Megatron in the 1986 movie, and left Megatron paralyzed.

[@TheFi3nd]

@@PerSchjonsby optimus is a fucking robot

[@WhenYouveGoneGuru]

If you're in hand-to-hand combat in Star Trek and have to resort to palm strikes instead of the Vulcan nerve pinch you're doing something wrong.

[@bjornnilsson1827]

Great video. You could've mentioned one more small factor in the Mike Tyson story. Most of us don't generate anywhere close to the "impact force" into the fist-face interface that iron Mike did.

[@darrenbeutel6849]

5:08 5:12 5:55 😅 6:31 8:25 8:27

[@amartyapandit]

And also the fact the guy Mike was hitting was overdosed to the brim with PCP making him almost bullet proof as he kept getting up after being knocked out several times

[@Domab.]

yeah, mike tyson punches so much harder than any of us could even hope to, but the bones in his hand aren't much stronger than ours, its disproportionate increase

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

Self defense "experts" : "you should never punch in a street fight because you will break your hands" Body shots to the liver and solar plexus : "allow us to introduce ourselves"

[@kadarr7953]

I have never seen a liver or body KO in a street fight. Im not saying that doesnt work but never in my life have seen it in a real street no rules fight.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@@kadarr7953 Because when people fight on the street, their instinct tell them to head hunt so they always chase the head. You need control, cool your head to fight that instinct. I have seen a bouncer disabled a troublemaker inside the club by a strong uppercut into his solar plexus, dude dropped and thrown up all over the place

[@someboi4903]

@@kadarr7953 There are videos of people being KO’d by body shots online. Besides, KO’ing them isn’t the only reason you’d use body shots.

[@brucele2776]

@@kadarr7953 you had never seen any liver punch,?? You got a problem

[@kadarr7953]

@@brucele2776 IN THE STREET In sports yes, a lot, and i delivered it a couple times. But in the street have never seen any liver ko.

[@WhenYouveGoneGuru]

There's also historical evidence to further debunk the "never punch in a street fight you'll break your hand" meme. I read Mendoza’s boxing manual from 1789. There are dozens of instructions about when and how to punch your opponent but it never once mentions a risk of breaking one’s hands. If illustrations from the period are accurate, boxers didn’t even wear wraps back then. So the guy who literally wrote the book on bare-knuckle boxing didn't even think to mention the risk of a boxer's fracture. A lot of people don't realize how far back you have to go to get primary sources on bare-knuckle boxing. It seems most would guess the 1920s or so based on the texts some people quote to try and lend historical support to what I'm going to dub the "fists of glass, palms of iron" myth. It was actually outlawed in England in 1867! It's interesting because after that you start to get these same sort of armchair commentators giving the same basic bad advice.

[@vaunjeis6751]

Fighting full-force without gloves on really changes one's perspective on this. Palm strikes aren't meant to be the awkward, stiff movement you demonstrate here. They are the most natural, primal way of striking. They are what you would naturally do if you wanted to slam your hand on something really hard (say, a wall or door) and not break it.

[@cpt.battlecock5264]

For me hammer fists were the most natural, ever been really mad at someone so you go to the washroom and just slam the wall? Well ive done them way too many times with the side of my hands. Ive also jsut full on knuckled it shit hurts way too much afterwards though,

[@vaunjeis6751]

@cpt.battlecock5264 hammer fists are also very physiologically sound, and far more natural than punching with knuckles.

[@cpt.battlecock5264]

@@vaunjeis6751 feels like it if someones like on the ground, but like if someones standin up, punches come naturally, usually going for the frontal or temple is not sound tho, jaw nose mouth all fine targets, soft bones prone to breaking jaws are prone to cause that knockout

[@luciomagno6195]

​@@cpt.battlecock5264yes precisely, punches for the soft spots, palm strikes for targets against hard surfaces, hard surfaces and wild haymakers, maybe hammerfists for the back of the head idk about that though

[@Handsy_McGee]

slamming bones sideways into things sounds like a surefire way to break them, wtf are y'all on about? You ever taken a stick and stabbed it into something? And have you ever smacked it into say, the corner of a table? One of these sticks is WAY more likely to break, you can just go outside to find out which is which. Also, "natural" and "primal" does not mean "better" or "smarter". We study and improve things for a reason.

[@TheVenerableMr.T]

I enjoy this channel a lot. Sometimes you challenge my beliefs, sometimes you confirm my beliefs, but you always have back up for your claims, and you present it in an engaging way. Kudos to you, good sir.

[@stevenscott2136]

Throughout history, we hit each other with objects HELD in our hands. Apes and primitive humans establish social status by wrestling, but when killing time came, apes used their teeth and humans (with our sad little teeth) used rocks and sticks, knives, spears, etc. All this punching and palming is the artifact of a society where we're so safe that we've forgotten the difference between sport and combat.

[@3nertia]

Seems cities have domesticated people and most of them have forgotten that we're ALL apex predators heh

[@na-ky8ou]

Bullshit. Take our closest cousins in the animal kingdom, chimpanzees: they kill eachother bare handed a lot, they take physical advantage on their opponents by punching and doing some primitive wrestling, and they only use weapons occasionally, most of the time when they hunt.

[@DwaddlesDasBewildered]

I think you are spot on with wrestling, but I think you missed the part where he talked about children naturally making fists and hitting. I think both wrestling and striking are natural human tendencies, as is grabbing a hand held weapon. It's not all or nothing ya know?

NGL, if I have to fight for self defense, a couple of broken bones in my hand are better than whatever the other person wanted to do to me

[@AugustMMA]

You got a point.

[@bobfletcher8536]

You're assuming your broken fist was enough to incapacitate your opponent. What if it wasn't and you just broke one of your weapons.

[@OnlyMuzan]

@@bobfletcher8536you’re screwed one way or another, if running wasn’t an option 😂

[@bobfletcher8536]

@@OnlyMuzan I'm no spring chicken when it comes to defending myself and have about 25 years martial art experience with two black belts. Cross trained with other styles which includes MMA where we walloped the crap out of one another taught me a long time ago of the rule of soft to hard and hard to soft. You only have about 8 targets that will work on the skull anyway. You use palm strikes from various angles to the skull and a fist to soft body parts like the liver, spleen, kidney's, gut, ribs and chest. You only have about 8 targets that will work on the skull anyway not to mention the skull is a harder [no pun intended] target to hit because the target always pulls away or turns their head away from any strikes they can see coming. The head ends up being a living, breathing speed bag. You might hit your target, you might not. I go for the legs first, body second and head last unless the target changes my mind. I also learned that rolling your fist all the way over conventional style weakens your wrist where keeping it with the thumb upwards gives a more stable wrist.

[@nickarnold1622]

I love the "not a bug, it's a feature" thing

[@blindmellaneckbone]

I was hollering laughing until she hurt her hand. Love that he made his point using humor as well as common sense.

[@DavidHernandez-dk1zs]

She hurt her hand because they are using the wrong technique, both of them were. Palm striking using straight motions like you do with a punch is a good way to break your wrist, the real way to do it is like he showed earlier when doing that slap motion going for the collar tie. When doing a palm strike you should do the same motion of a slap but instead of keeping your hand limp, tense it up like if your were clawing something, and give a hard swipe like the one a tiger would do to a deer. You can easily knock people out that way with little injury to the hand, if any. The targets would be the side of the chin, the side of the jaw, the temple, and behind the ear.

[@kumar7586]

@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs Fully agree. 👍 And over that, he conveniently asked her to both strike with her palm and punch on the SAME spot, his forehead. In martial arts, the principle is, hard against soft and soft against hard. No martial artist worth his salt would strike an attacker's forehead with his palm!

[@Krystalmyth]

​@@DavidHernandez-dk1zsIt's a good tool to have in the box. Along with punching for sure.

[@yellowblobby]

​@@kumar7586bro soft against hard makes no sense

[@yellowblobby]

​​@@DavidHernandez-dk1zslmao , "as if you're clawing something", "like a tiger would swing" ???! this dude is unironically advocating for using your fingers as a replacement for claws and sticking those in front because why not just easily break all your fingers too 😂

[@wildys6]

I fondly remember Bas Rutten knocking people out with palm strikes in Pangrasse. I also remember him putting people to sleep with fists. I think you're bound to break bones regardless of the configuration if you're hitting that hard. The one thing I can see giving palm strikes utility is the fact the it stings more on the face.

[@TenemdaMc]

Yeah buddy, because stinging on face is what fighting is all about! I’d say pinching works best! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Vlad_Tepes_III]

@@TenemdaMc For maximal effectiveness, pinch the nose and shake.

[@wildys6]

@@TenemdaMc I'll do you one better, you should get a pair of pliers to reaaally pinch 'em! jokess aside I did say it was "the one thing" not "the thing that makes it better than a fist". You might've gotten those 2 confused there or I might be on the fence for nothing lol

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

He had more KO's with liver shots, tho.

[@wildys6]

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y not my point, but yes you are right aswell

[@SwordTune]

The fist and evolution wasn't your best analogy/argument. Our hands were designed to grapple and hold tools. As an impact weapon, hammer fists are naturally used by most if not all apes. Fists do not equal punching with knuckles.

[@Ottepeg89]

I think this guy is often correct but his reasoning is a bit whack. I defo would punch over palm striking, but (for example) pretending you can't turn over a palm strike (like you would a fist) to prevent it being a "literal pain" is either short sighted or disingenuous.

[@ArmchairViolence]

The video isn't about "palm strikes vs. punches vs. hammer fists vs. grappling." It's about palm strikes vs. punches. While our hands are great at holding tools, they're also quite good at making fists. Often for the same reasons. And our hand design differs from most apes. We are much better at making fists than other ape species.

[@ArmchairViolence]

How would turning your palm strike over change anything?

[@Ottepeg89]

@@ArmchairViolence are you really asking why would changing the strikes alignment make it more comfortable/viable? Look at the hook punch, you fist is going to be rotated differently depending on the target range. Now, I agree that the whole "don't punch in a fight" is nonsense (otherwise the local scumbags getting in a scrap every Saturday down the pub would be in perpetual casts), but just for your own interest, do a corkscrew punch but strike with the palm on your heavy bag - it's not as good as a punch, but it's also not as bad as you are making out. If you do, let me know how you found it.

[@SwordTune]

@@ArmchairViolence Our hands are better at fine motor skills like sewing and typing. It's not right to assume that better hands = better fists. Chimps and gorillas have crazy grips compared to humans and can definitely make stronger fists.

[@Kottenification]

This is probably the best clip you put up so far. The conversation in the end is priceless! The ever so innocent "I mean... wouldn't you?" absolutely made my day! The editing of your stuff is really getting better. Keep up the good work, man.

[@johnnyabatrossy]

This video is full of nonsense 🤣 This dude almost becoming like an Aikido cultist himself...BJJ is going exact the same route as Aikido, becoming more useless, as it develops...ahhaaha

[@cool_dude_like_really]

​@@johnnyabatrossybro I guess if a guy tells me "palm strikes bad, hit with fist" I don't care whether he's into BJJ or not...

[@KungFit]

I think its important to distinguish between strikes with the heel of the hand and slaps. I agree hitting with the heel of the hand is a bit silly. Slaps have a larger area you can hit with though and their open structure is of benefit when hitting the head. Ignore getting injured and think about reliable transfer of force. When you punch without gloves on you have two hard surfaces making contact and it's very easy to get a glancing blow if things hit at the wrong angle. A lot of your force therefore doesn't get delivered to the target. When punching with gloves you don't have this problem, as the glove compresses to the shape of the face. A slap does the same thing, the hand is able to match the shape of the face and not slip off, delivering all of your force. Use punches and slaps, pick the one that works for your situation.

[@Almosteasyese]

Palms , hammers etc should be used as you mentioned: to solve specific problems in specific positions. I.e. I long fell into the trap of trying to replace punches altogether, when the best approach is honestly what you said which is sticking with punches until I have a good reason to deviate vs limiting myself by taking away my most natural strike.

[@wanabisufi8843]

This is the best answer here.

[@guyopitz]

Bas Ruten says a palm strike doesn't even use the palm, it uses the ridge of the thumb bone and it's incredibly effective because even if you block his thumb bone is still going to crash into the bone behind your ear and knock you out.

[@RecordedMercury]

Shut up 🤣 you've never been in a fight

[@cassiooctaviani473]

Palm heel strikes are great and can be used in a variety of ways, but it works differently from fist punches. In the end, it's all about the training. People train for years throwing punches, learn how to do it, get used to them, they become second nature. Then, they decide to try out palm strikes *one day*, with the intent to disprove them from the start. It doesn't work very well (duh), they conclude it doesn't work and ditch it. Please, people... I believe punching is only seen as the norm today because of the heavy influence from the sport of boxing. I also do believe the fist is an invaluable tool to have in your belt.

[@ArmchairViolence]

That's why I didn't show me throwing palm strikes as fists as an example. People would accuse me of ignoring the variable of my training. Instead, I addressed the anatomy and mechanics of the two strikes. That being said, I've probably thrown fairly equal amounts of palm strikes and bareknuckle punches.

[@adrianojordao4634]

Just for curiosity in how many "street fights" you were involved in your life?

[@Christopher-iv9yy]

We all know the answer is zero.

[@AnthonyDay-s1z]

Palm strikes do work. They just don't work in the way he's talking about. Its not also a safer way, but it is another method to have a wider area. Its not used for punching, but for distracting.

[@KennyKenKin]

Bro, the energy and effort you put into these videos is great! I really appreciate them and I love how you can put them in such plain language. Keep it up!

[@AugustMMA]

This is the most underrated martial arts channel out there.

[@VictorIsSaved]

They def don't give this man as much credit as he deserves

[@mattmarzula]

@@VictorIsSaved agreed.

[@isaweesaw]

We have the privilege of subscribing to him before he gets famous ;)

[@TheQue5tion]

A lot of martial arts and self defense systems that feature sparring as a must will often teach people to throw a hammer fist from guard. This allows you to throw/drop a lot of weight into the strike and has a reduced risk of broken bones compared to straights, crosses and hooks. This makes it a great opening strike, but you'll still need to know how to throw punches since they still work better overall.

[@johnrambo4018]

there are a couple ONE Championship fighters who will throw lead hand hammer fists as their jab and it seems to work really well for them.

[@TheQue5tion]

@@johnrambo4018 yeah but, they're championship fighters. They've spent years intensely training and perfecting their fighting style. How many people do you know going to self defense and martial arts classes have that sort of training?

[@johnrambo4018]

@@TheQue5tion dude a hammer fist is super easy to throw and can slip through the guard easier than a regular jab would. I wouldn't use it as my main jab, but it definitely works and wouldn't require much training if any to throw a hammer fist.

[@TheQue5tion]

@@johnrambo4018 yeah but it's not as useful as other punches. If it connects properly first time then sure, it can end a fight. But once it's thrown you need to be able to follow on with striking or grappling.

[@johnrambo4018]

@@TheQue5tion yeah I don't think you'd be able to end a fight with a hammerfist (unless you're a big ass heavyweight). But to use it as your jab seems to work fine

[@gentlemandemon]

Just gonna be a bit of a nerd here: it's important not to overstate concepts like "designed" in biological principles. Nothing about evolution is "designed." Features appear, the net positive traits stay while the net negatives are filtered, but neutral changes or even mild good/bad changes can persist so long as they don't impede survival. And, frankly, our hands are best suited to grasping things. Fists are one way people tend to fight as a default, but so are things like hammer-fisting, scratching, and grabbing (especially grabbing a weapon). I still agree with the main argument, just some wiggles about the verbiage.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Neeeerd!!! 😆 "Designed" just seemed like it flowed better in the sentence, honestly. Also, it always seemed like a semantics argument to me. Neutral changes also persist in things that ARE designed, because they're neutral. If an AI simulates evolution, did the end product evolve or was it designed by the AI? If I create a product by continually testing it and making random tweaks until it did what I wanted, did that product *evolve*? Do I not get to claim that I designed a product? Even if I started the process, made the changes, and selected the end goal? If God creates the universe knowing that evolution will create these exact creatures, were we not designed? I feel like the main purpose of the design/evolve distinction is theological. It determines whether you're implying a definitive "end goal" held by a being. But such theological considerations are completely outside the scope of this video, so I didn't bother to care what I used.

[@gentlemandemon]

@@ArmchairViolence it's a matter of perspective, but I'm not sure a theological perspective best fits with an anatomical discussion. but that's just me though, still enjoy the video

[@WatchMysh]

@@ArmchairViolence No @ if god created. "Design" has a specific meaning. It follow a purpose with a specific goal in mind. Otherwise it's not design, it's art.

[@patrickmcdonald5731]

“In reality the only way to guarantee that you won’t get injured is to *not get in fights.*” This is the smartest thing you or anyone else has ever said about self defense. You should do a video about the bias towards “street fight” situations when talking about self defense. I’d make a video about it but my videos are too dangerous.

[@myriad2878]

Also, all of those "secret technique" palm strikes from kung fu and other traditional (or I guess process-focused) martial arts that "use chi to destroy your opponent's internal organs"... aren't palm strikes. They're pushes/shoves. Their purpose is to put all of your weight into pushing your opponent off balance and make them fall down, so you can either run away or capitalise on their disadvantageous position.

[@TheNomadicCat]

I trained mostly in boxing and muay thai and started adding in some WW2 combatives stuff. I don't really feel anything contradicts. The rule I was taught for palm strikes was “hard weapons to soft targets, soft weapons to hard targets” so punches would still be used to the body. The mechanics for throwing the strikes should be the same as jabs and crosses if someone trained boxing first. I agree that the palm strikes should not be trained on a bag but they feel fine on focus mitts. Someone in the comments mentioned palm strikes were used historically because soldiers needed to be able to still handle guns. I would add that similarly in a self defense situation you would want to avoid injury to your hands to access a weapon (possibly improvised) as well. Don’t misunderstand, I wouldn’t replace punches, I just think the palm strikes can be used in combination as well. At the very least, if someone insists on using only punches they should consider conditioning the hands like karateka do. Our fists don’t real get conditioned through the gloves and wraps. I started conditioning my hands only recently after I started watching bare knuckle boxing matches. Their hands look like hell at the end of the fight.

[@wanabisufi8843]

This is the best response. You use both in tandum.

[@Taekwon-Brando]

You seem very knowledgeable man how to you train ww2 combatives?? I'm super interested

[@uexkeru]

​@@Taekwon-Brando There are a few martial arts schools that fought in WWII (and within the Filipino arts it's a pretty big deal) but for others it's like HEMA. you get the training films and manuals from the best instructors of the time, go through their work and pick what works for you. Tommy Joe Moore is a good intro guy for breaking down fighting methods used in the world wars and prior

[@denisl2760]

As a muay thai guy, my first option in a fight would be to close distance, clinch, and use knees and elbows. I'm ok on the ground, so not really worried about getting taken down, although ideally I'd try to keep it standing.

[@WhenYouveGoneGuru]

​@@denisl2760 For me it's a teep or push kick to keep them at a distance. I think the average punk wouldn't know how to defend against a kick at all and wouldn't be expecting it. I wouldn't hesitate to kick the groin either.

[@hellbow1851]

One of the most valuable and underappreciated martial arts channels on KZbin

[@BushCheney04]

I'm glad you mentioned turning the slap into a collar ties because thats pretty much the only thing I actually learned about open palm strikes. I was going to comment that at the start of the video but I restrained myself and did this crazy concept of watching the whole video. P.S. why did you abuse your girlfriend by breaking her wrists with your head? Not cool man

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

Bro. Where did you dig up those weird palm strikes from. There is a time and a place for palm strikes. There can be. Sparring is a mute point because again. It’s not real fighting. You get points for enthusiasts, but you need to broaden your knowledge base in this regard. Many actual special forces teach palm strikes for various reasons. And law enforcement stuff. Which isn’t always the best. Trust me I know. 14 years law enforcement.

[@ArmchairViolence]

I used a kind of palm strike that is better at maneuvering through guards in order to steel-man the other side of the argument. There's different schools of thought on palm strikes, and I used different ones in the video depending on what I was doing. Broaden your knowledge base on them. What actual special forces teach is irrelevant. Military and law enforcement basic training is known for having *extremely* bad hand-to- hand. I train with military and law enforcement on a regular basis. If all they have is their basic training, they are unanimously terrible at fighting.

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

@@ArmchairViolence what special forces propose is certainly not irrelevant, (because you say it is). It’s relevant because they are the only group who routinely use the skills proposed. Yes. Law Enforcement stuff can also be naff, (which is actually what I said, if you look). But. It is also. Routinely used in combative situations as basic as it is. It’s actually stuff that works, if preformed correctly. So why it matters. Is that, no dis respect. But there’s you, saying, it’s shit. And a whole wealth of special forces and counterterrorism using it for things like weapon retention etc. But you dont have knowledge of those things. You just think , sparring basic martial arts and KZbin. You don’t know mate. It’s just another KZbin vid. No offence.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@IronBodyMartialArts I have fought special forces soldiers. They suck, and know absolutely nothing about hand-to-hand combat. I made a video about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTSiYiorNmLZrc If your source is, "it's taught to special forces soldiers!" I regret to inform you that you may have misconceptions regarding martial arts, military science, the purpose of military martial arts, and the military's priorities. In a fight, the average special forces soldier is indistinguishable from a fit, untrained person. The inadequacies of military martial arts training are well known within the combat sports community.

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

@@ArmchairViolence Come on bro. Give me some credit. I’m a little older and wiser than that. But I don’t think you are. As much as you think. I will make a vid to explain my point. These messages come across poor anyway. Sometimes bro. You have half a point but just not the full idea. And that’s just life. You have a point. But your counter arguments are a bit generic, also, experience does matter, your comments about, try this without, a gun, etc. mate. Those are just idiotic. To be honest. They show me the place you are coming from. It’s a stupid place. Sorry to say. Your a bright lad. But. Come on. That’s a dumb thing to say.

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

@@ArmchairViolence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

Love the sword and pool noodle comparison.

[@benjaminvega7186]

You know, when I found this channel I thought to myself, 'why is Spider-Man wearing a Batman shirt?' But in all seriousness, your videos have really been a wonderful insight into a world I know nothing about. Except palm strikes on an opponent beneath you. It came up in one of the hatchet books I read many moons ago. Didn't understand why someone would attack that way instead of with a fist, but now I do!

[@biglc034]

I've noticed that while we naturally make fists we don't throw "traditional" punches, more like looping hammer fists or close fist slaps.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

That's because our bodies were never meant to box, it was made for wrestling. Our natural instincts tell us to throw wide looping shots so we have to train ourselves to punch straight with legs and hips involved; but our natural instincts also tell us to use those looping shots as entry for the Scrapyard bully head lock, pull the opponent down and squeeze really hard. You can see that alot of time in street fights among untrained people, they can't throw strikes but the bully headlock manifested alot

[@darayavahashshahanshah684]

Palm strikes are not for throwing from the outside, its for fitting on certain target surfaces while on the inside.

[@pimpenstein]

Legit this kid doesn't know how they're supposed to be used.

[@BTboxing]

where do you throw them?

[@thac0twenty377]

he doesnt know anything really. its comedy ​@@pimpenstein

[@patricktoohey8310]

Bullshit

[@kermit1211]

like what? How can you fit that on "certain areas" when the fist is smaller?

[@pedromedrano5110]

Nice vid, I liked the training dummy, so life-like

[@MATT-p7b2b]

humans instinct is to grab not punch. a palm strike is supposed to be a shove not necessarily a strike. punching is for accurate attacks while palm strike is to push the target backwards or downwards. palming also transitions into grabs. its in a lot of traditional martial arts.

[@jomess7879]

I have wonky and inflexible wrists. There's two very specific angles where an open hand strike works better for me than a fist. Those angles pretty much only occur when I'm messing around

[@craigyu5119]

Palm striking doesn’t automatically mean you crank your wrist back and curl your first knuckles, and strike in the trajectory you’re showing. There are lot of variations, angles and trajectories… it’s like if you said punching sucks because using a hammer fist as a straight punch feels awkward and low percentage. Plus, the “palm strike”, which is more of a palm heel strike, is typically not used as a straight strike, but an upward strike, like an upper cut, which both greatly reduces the injury to the fingers, and also feels natural for the arm, cause the wrist isn’t cracked back nearly as much. If you’re going to critique techniques with a broad brush, you should at least become familiar with how they’re used, and the multiple variations under the umbrella of “palm strikes”.

[@ClantonCombatives]

Superb video!

[@angelsjoker8190]

I kind of disagree on some points. For reference, I've been doing striking styles for over 30 years, so I do know how to use my fists in a fight. The last couple of years in kickboxing and boxing, I've been mainly doing "light" sparring, with 12oz gloves and no hand-wraps in order to force myself to punch very controlled. When a sparring partner rushes forward and I can't pull enough on a punch, I can clearly feel my knuckles on his skull and that despite the gloves and the comparably light force I use. I certainly would not want to punch with significant (= fight-changing) force against a skull (jaw would be ok, I guess). I would not hesitate, however, to throw a palm strike with full force to the head. Mike Tyson is not the only one who broke his hands in a fight, it's a not uncommon occurrence in boxing and MMA despite the hands being protected with wraps and gloves. Bas Rutten, who has combined about 50 pro fights in Kickboxing and MMA, and a history of brawls as a bouncer before his pro-fighting career, advocates open hand strikes for street fights and would only use fists in a 1vs1 situation where he knows he can hit the target thanks to his superior technique and composure. 1:40 I've had regular "warm-up" sparrings with no gloves and open hands. It's literally no physiological problem to throw an open palm strike at the head of the opponent. Pancrase, where Bas Rutten spent the majority of his early "MMA" career, didn't allow fist punches to the head, so the fighters would throw palm strikes. So, if you have "pain" or any kind of issues throwing palm strikes, you should go and see an orthopedist to let your hands/wrists get checked. 4:35 In a street fight, I don't care about superficial soft tissue damage. There is no ringside doctor to stop the fight because of cuts. And also, cuts and subsequent bleeding of the opponent make me look worse in front of the police and in court. What I want is to shut down his central nervous system so he CAN'T continue attacking me. For that, I need blunt force that impacts the whole head and not just superficial impact. Blunt force can also be transmitted with fists, but as stated above and said in the video, you're more likely not punching with full force if you use your fists. 4:55 Hand-wraps and gloves are there to protect your "weapon" (fists) so you can actually throw them with more force and thus do MORE damage than you naturally would. 5:30 False logic. Only because untrained males "naturally" throw fists (btw. women "naturally" rather SLAP), doesn't mean it's the optimal way of fighting, otherwise, we wouldn't train how to kick, knee, elbow, or headbutt. Naturally, people throw looping haymakers, even though straight punches are superior (in most aspects), but those need to be "artificially" learned. 8:30 if you had to break open a coconut, would you rather do it with a fist punch or a palm strike¿ Back in my Kyokushin Budokai days, I had a training buddy who was a bit "wilder". In street altercations, he would sometimes "give" the opponent the first strike which usually was a haymaker punch directed at his face. My buddy would turn his forehead into the punch, and when the opponent retracted the fist in pain, he would either low kick him or Judo throw him to the ground. And that was usually the end of the altercation.

[@LuPercyChux]

Awesome video, I'd be interested in hearing what you find on horizontal fist with first and second knuckle (boxer/karate punch) and the vertical fist striking with bottom three knuckles (wing chun/ jack Dempsey/ bare handed boxing).

[@eben3357]

The title should be: why palm strikes suck in a street fight. Palm strikes are fine and even preferred in self-defence for legal, tactical and infection control when the employee/contractor cannot flee and is not armed. If we consider police, medics and security as employees needing basic self-defence, then punching is not recommended, but pushing is, which is technically an open hand (palm) strike. The video is correct in pointing out that palm strikes and pushes can also lead to grabs, which may result in restraining the opponent etc. If an aggressive person is grabbing or punching you, an open hand, palm or side (knife hand) leading or cross, under the chin or throat is an effective bridge to safety. It can disorient, distract and even make the person question why they are attacking you. Referees and security guards control fights using the wrist or knife hand against the opposite shoulder or larynx. It works because animals, including humans, instinctively divert their attention when their breathing is even slightly compromised. One can also counter after being punched or headbutt causing open wounds (bleeding), applying pressure to the opponent's larynx rather than trying to 'punch on' with them and probably losing due to having blood already in your face. If you are punching first, then you are starting the fight and that is in most circumstances illegal.

[@vaughanstarr3725]

Mate, virtually your whole vid was a strawman. I have trained a bit, and NEVER seen a palm strike demonstrated like the one you presented. So, if you are going to tear something down, misrepresenting the technique (either deliberately because of intellectual dishonesty, or just through simple ignorance) is not a great place to start. "But you can't use it in sparring!" Who the F spars with palm heels?! "But everyone punches!" Almost everyone punches very poorly having been raised by media to do so. So, the pertinent question: Do people with credible real world experience in CQC violence working doors ect strongly advocate the technique? Yes. Why? Well, having delivered a couple in my time: because they are very effective! They don't advertise intent because, as you demonstrated in your own observation, people look for a fist, not the open palm that is right in front of them. You can deliver tremendous force from up close. And you can automatically transition to grabbing/grappling. There is also the benefit that an open palm looks far less damning on vid than a fist. Do you dance around sparring with one? Of course not. Because the aim is to overwhelm and preferably preempt. Is it the only tool? No. But nothing is. So much rubbish presented I forgot to include this particularly inane observations of yours earlier: "If it hurts you, it hurts them! If it is not hurting you, it is not hurting them!" I'm sorry, what? There are any number of things you can do that while occasioning little damage to yourself can exact tremendous harm to someone else. When appropriate, you can deliver tremendous force with a palm strike while occasioning no damage to yourself. Hit a brick wall at full power with a both and get back to me with the result.

[@blockmasterscott]

I’ve seen people duke it out in street fights, and they’ve always used fists.

[@edwardcasas2137]

I think palm strikes have there place. One good thing about a palm strikes is that you can actively grab your adversary. If you are fighting one attacker. Using palm strikes you can transition from striking to a control lock easily. I learned this on chin na and japanese juijetsu. Controlling your opponent is better than just striking. For looking from out side the fight it looks like you are not beating the crap out of the guy that is trying to mug you. For legal reasons it looks more humane. If you have a lot of witnesses it looks like you are actual just trying to push the attacker away. But if your life is in danger all bets are off, striking, kicking and breaking an attackers limbs are necessary. Especially if you are protecting a love one. Just my opinion.

[@frogman4700]

another good use for palm strikes are close range uppercuts, william fairburn who was a phenomenal martial artist who served in the shanghai police for 10 years and later taught hand to hand combat to US and British troops in ww2 had that move in his system of "gutter fighting"

[@edi9892]

Without gloves, I can hit harder with open hands and that's because of the little padding. Gloves pad a LOT more and allow to hit a LOT harder! Thus, padding can be a good thing! I agree with you on that the slap is better than the straight palm strike for the most situations, but if you got an opening to drill someone in the mouth, you might want to reconsider, or spend some time removing teeth from your hands... PS: I'd avoid punching as much as practically possible. I prefer hammer fists and elbows whenever possible.

[@barrettdowell3985]

Anybody make a soundbite of that "blocked, blocked, blocked, none of you are free of sin" yet? I need a copy of that

[@jameswilliams4185]

Love the video. Lot of good points. Request: can you do a hammer fist video?

[@phlipperbrooks129]

Recently got back into fighting at 60 years old and am enjoying your vids. Very informative and delivery is hilarious. 😆 Thanks!

[@amatomic257]

I never did like palm strikes, they just never felt powerful like a punch.

[@blue0eyes0knight]

i agree completely. If you break your knuckles and go home safe who cares about the injury.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

That whole "hands are designed for punching" bit is more than a little controversial. It's also worth noting that no ape in nature does any movement vaguely like a punch and they do just fine in their version of "street fights" (they do damage with their hands and hit, it's just mostly hammer fists and backhands and lots of grabbing). Also, it's not like you'd punch a wolf. Of all the things you could do, that's about the stupidest. Similarly there's not much evidence in historical or the remaining non-westernized tribal societies of punching in ritual violence (tons of wrestling and mock weapons and such). It happens but it's generally more "turn the hand into a club" type stuff where you just grab a piece of cloth and wrap it around, but AFAIK that's generally used with club-like movements. I'd argue punching with the fist like we currently train is weird and mostly unnatural and focusing on that might interfere with using your hands more naturally. Boxing gloves are a (strange) weapon that we used in a hugely popular sport, so imagining winning fights with boxing movements heroically became culturally normalized at the expense of any other type of fighting victory. It's just as likely we can "punch" because our hands evolved to hold things and we don't like dropping things we like, and the social evolution is not in line with our biological evolution.

[@g8trg8tr30]

Yeah I’m fairly convinced that us being able to punch and even kick the way we can is basically an unintended side-effect of our ability to throw projectiles fast and accurately.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

@@g8trg8tr30 Exactly, even if it's a factor it never would have been a major one. Evolving shoulders for throwing and shorter hands with more nerves for easier grasping and manipulation of objects were constant parts of living. The mental pump has to be REALLY heavily primed for us to put "punching with a closed fist" anywhere near that territory IMO. It's just a thing we can do.

[@omarkusturica3174]

@@g8trg8tr30 well, neither are the elbows designed for striking, they just happen to be sturdy and even somewhat sharp joints. I am not sure how our ape cousins fight - I imagine that it is mostly grappling but then they are much stronger than we are.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Alright, it's fair that the scientific thought may be a little bit more diverse than I presented, but using other apes as a model doesn't quite work. Apes are much less likely to throw punches, but that's because most apes have very differently designed hands. Humans have a very high hand index and a very long and flexible thumb. Obviously, our hands evolved to do other things as well, but whether by evolutionary accident or on purpose, our hands are MUCH better at making fists than most other apes. But, even in your examples, the apes are NOT palm striking each other. They're clubbing each other. And this video was about palm strikes vs. punches. Not palm strikes vs. punches vs. hammer fists vs. grappling. Icy Mike actually made a video putting forth an argument as to why humans would be more inclined to wrestle than strike, and it's probably true. We are much better at grappling than striking. However, when it comes to strikes, we're much better at punching than palm striking. I included the example of toddlers punching partly because it's better evidence towards the idea that making a fist is an instinct. Toddlers are likely a bit less influenced by the heroic tradition of boxing. But I would be interested in seeing data on strikes used in pre-modern societies amongst untrained combatants.

[@moz5831]

I read somewhere, that in pre-civilized societies (ie. before farming, hunter-gatherers) the dominance was determined among the male apes by grappling and aggresion. If they had boxed each other, the other guy (or both of them) would have just been injured especially in their hands makingthem useless for the tribe. Which is stupid, because they would have needed everybody to gather enough food. So boxing doesn’t come into the play until people invent warfare and murdering opponents without mercy. Injuries don’t matter, because the fighters are soldiers, whose only job is to cut, pierce, punch and kill. Can I prove this? No, it’s merely speculation, but most historical evidence about fighting seems to support it. About toddlers. Most people are visual learners and amount of violence and fist fighting kids see from their birth, the fact that toddlers today do a fist proves nothing. By the time they can stand they have seen a million animes about fist fighting samurai robots or whatever.

[@TREEfool]

bruh. i remember when you had less than 10k subs. So happy to see you are finally getting the views you deserve.

[@adamaustin4209]

I used to do palm strikes on the bag all the time 6 years ago and to be honest i am surprised i didn't break my hand hopefully no one else does this

[@briansheeran4185]

I fell for the "Palm Heels are better than Punches" argument for 15 years. I now have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Thank you Self Protection and Combatives Communities.

[@KhaosTy]

Your tone is so condescending and I love it.

[@johnhansen725]

I think that the slap is undervalued in this video as a grappler slaps would be my main attack to set up grabs and stuff since I suck at striking and do not want to be in that range. I do agree with everything he said

[@ArmchairViolence]

If you're setting up grabs, that's a legit reason to use slaps. Either set up grappling, or use it to clown on your opponent. 😂

[@johnhansen725]

@@ArmchairViolence I a hundred percent agree

[@shura8865]

Thank you for the video, can you send the study please ?

[@Deletedact101]

I love your theme song at the end

[@Priapos93]

I've been saving this one for some time now, and it delivered mightily

[@el29]

Lol youre palmstrike is not even correct i understand now why you critize it from that premiss, it would actually hurt. I actually doubt you have even trained very long or is very old with experince or have studied and explore this wast concept as a whole that takes a lifetime.. But reality there is a reason why military/agents/* all over the world use palm strikes and different self defensive arts and different famous people as etc bas rutten and people as etc boxers that i just read for 3 hours ago who said he had boxed in a street fight and he had boxing training for many years and shattered his hand that took a long time to fix, then when he was a in a brawl next time he used the same hand and did a hook palm strike to the ear and dropped the guy with no problems. I know many people personally who have broken there fist in a fight and its dangerous mostly if you break it against the first attacker then his other friend or 2 friends come also its also even worse if you are in a war or the military. Its an old saying, use soft weapons to hard targets and hard weapons to soft target. Also youre premisse is also very limited, you are just saying "why palm strikes suck". Wierd, wich ones do you mean and according to what targets and mechanics that you wish to fulfill, balance, nerves, mechanic reactions, pain and so on ?. There are so many different palm strikes. I dont think anyone with any knowledge and experince would ever say that a hook palm strike to the ear that KO the fuck out of people easily, is worse then a "closed fist" hook punch to the ear etc. Also evolutionary and talking about natural.... nah. You show A random amature clip of some guys throwing (and proably because they grow up in a culture that promotes boxing) , also it looks more like hammer fist mix loops (vastly different) And in reality when we see children, "girls", amature perform without so little social programming as possible and monkeys. We see quite obviously that the hammer fist AND open bitch slaps/palm strikes and open hand scratching, tearing, pinching, grappling, wrestling is one of the most natural ones out there. Also according to the daily life and our hands are made and its natural position its always open, and the transission from open hook palm bitch slap to ones ear (and bitch slap is proably the most natural slap out there through the whole history of mankind and most used ), you can easily go into grappling, wrestling, pulling hair, scratching eyes, throat gouging, and so on that is once again even MORE natural then even a hammer fist or a bitch slap. A boxing punch is faar from the most "natural", so far from it so it demands decades to become a master in punching correctly. How "natural". Also So the most instinctive and natural is not a question about "palm strike vs closed fist" as this video,. The question and what its all about is insted what kinda fist and what kinda open palm is the most natural and correct ones according to the contexts targets and situation. Hammer fist is totaly naturaly solid , just like a wrestling takedown, but also is the "hook palm to the ear with the wrist bone and KO people, like a proper bitch slap. I u rather many different natural hand attacks then unnatural boxing punches that is not at all evolutationary grounded and breaks youre body easyer and that shows your'e hands are not even made for that. This is a dumb video because it just created a narrative where we can just choose between 2 premisses. As stupid as just choosing between a man or a women or the hotdog or the bread.

[@Flamewolf14]

great video very informative and funny i liked the piano man parody at the end. all together thats a subscribe from me

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

Great video! 9:08 You missed a chance to make an Oscar's Will Smith slap joke, but that's okay. There are so many by now anyway. If you haven't already, maybe make a video on hitting heavy bags barefisted vs gloved hands.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Kaylen actually made that joke, but it was terrible so I cut it. 😂 If I made the video, people would just dismiss it by saying that I've trained punches more than palm strikes. I would have to get a bunch of untrained people to throw both while accounting for their force output and the surface area they make contact with, and that's way harder.

[@rcarfang2]

@@ArmchairViolence I punched wave master bags barefisted and with MMA style gloves. I consider myself to be untrained compared to other kick boxers and kung-fu practitioners.

[@Backwoodsandblades]

I love this video way too much. Bravo.

[@herbertgearing1702]

Professional fighters back in the bare knuckle days had that weird fighting Irish stance because head shots were pretty rare. If you make your living with your hands you have to be pretty selective with where you hit a man. If you on the other hand aren't a professional fighter and you won't be needing to punch someone for 15-20 rounds next week, go ahead and punch them in the nose or cheek good and hard and just put them on ice later so the swelling isn't too bad the next day when you sober up.

[@sparkyy2890]

I love that superimposed background with the hand you have to stay still for btw

[@alexkehoepwj]

I always felt like palm strikes were stupid, and now i know why

[@nicolaslaquier]

Very well thought out and great delivery A+ video

[@Docinaplane]

Two things. I do not hold my hand like you do when I palm strike. I have my hand open and upward at a 45-degree angle then flex the wrist driving forward for the strike. Do it my way around the guard into the side of the head. Palm strikes can come like a hook to anywhere like the ribs too.

[@radiantmind8729]

I’d never replace a jab or straight punch with a palm strike.

[@karatekickz]

First of all, most martial artists would probably agree that punches and palm strike are different. They should not be used interchangably so comparing them is kinda pointless. Many martial arts use punches and palm strikes. They teach you both because you're meant to use both at different times. You're not supposed to pick one and never use the other. You shouldn't be asking which is more effective. You should be asking when each strike is most effective. "Palm strike just mean you get to break your Distal Radius instead of your Metacarpals" (0:52) The distal radius is a thinner part of the radial bone but still much thicker and stronger than your metacarpals. It taking the impact of your strike allows you to put more force than would be able to with a punch against hard surfaces. "Palm strikes are less common because it's an awkward unintuitive motion used by neither complete beginners nor trained fighters" (1:26) Trained fighter pretty much all mordern martial arts use hand protection. It's a common misconception that hand protection is primarily meant to protect the person being hit. Primarily, hand protection well protects your hands. This allowing to hit harder than you would be able to well you hit something hard like someones skull. There's much less incentive to use palm strikes if using hand protection offers much of thr same benefit. "Trying to get my palm facing forward with my arm fully extended is a literal pain" (1:50) That's because your you shouldn't be twisting your wrist to get your palm flat. Looking at your form leads me to belief you haven't even trained in using a palm heel strike. Your palm heel strike feels akward because you're doing it wrong. You should have been taught not to do stuff like that. I'm just saying if you're going to make video on palm strikes you should probably know how to throw one otherwise you're not qualified to form an educated opinion. "Mens's hands are designed to make fists" (6:22) Yes, but this is a bit misleading. Human primarily evolved fists to grab things and secondarily to punch. If you needed to kill something, you would probably grab a weapon. I doubt your first choice would be punching it to death. Human fist fights are rarely deadly. We use them to settle disputes. Fists are not like fangs. They are not natural weapons. They come handy for hurting someone but hurting someone isn't nessarily the goal in martial arts. A palm strike may not cause cuts or hurt like a punch but palm strike to the jaw can more concussive force to the brain. Just to be clear is not like I disagree with you're general argument. I get it. There's a small percentage of people out there think you should never ever punch for some reason. You want to show people how crazy that is. I just don't like how poorly you're supporting your stance. Agruing that toddlers kinda sorta punch so obviously palm strikes are less effective than punches is just dumb. Like what was that sad demonstration at the end (8:24)? What was that supposed to prove?

[@Sogekoi]

Wonderfully said dude it just kinda feels like this video is more to vent rather than being educational imo.

[@CarlosMartinez-nj4wq]

I feel like you heard one part of what he said at each point you highlighted and didn't understand his overall point. For your first paragraph, he didn't say he was comparing just to compare which is "the better strike". He specifically said he was negating what some self defense people have said about never using fists and instead using palm strikes. Secondly, he mentioned untrained people and fighters using fists because he was saying it's intuitive to humans, not that it offers more protection or reoves the risk of injury. What's more, he mentioned evolution and specifically made points about fists being the more natural inclination for humans, not that fists are just objectively better. He even states throughout his video that he doesn't believe palm strikes are useless and gives examples of their niche uses. Overall, I feel your comment has misconstrued and misunderstood the claims he is making and defending. He made very specific points on the nuances of fists versus palm strikes in self defense and then backed his claims up his research the subject matter.

[@TKZprod]

Great comment

[@marcovazquez-ou2pv]

Man missed the main point of the video lmaoo

[@themainbicycle4102]

Can someone please tell me what this guy's credentials are?

[@jc-kj8yc]

I got a follow up question. I'm not sure if punching itself is genetically implemented. We outstretch our hands to protect our face, we cover up, we cuddle or we turn away. As far as I know, punching is always learned in some way, cause you are correct, breaking out hands is a bad idea and punching things risks broken hands. But tbh I don't have a scientific source on hand. The only thing I know for sure is that hugging/wrestling comes naturally to us and that humans have been wrestling as long as we can tell. There are even cave paintings of wrestlers. But I don't know about punching. If you want to, that might be another video :)

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

Our genes do tell us to use punches but they're usually wide looping shots. That's why we have to train ourselves to punch straight with legs and hips involved; but our natural instincts also tell us to use those looping shots as entry for the Scrapyard bully head lock, pull the opponent down and squeeze really hard. You can see that alot of time in street fights among untrained people, they can't throw strikes without tripping on their own foot but the bully headlock manifested alot

[@uexkeru]

I remember there being a few studies on hand strikes that made the news a few years back. you could find it by googling "human hands evolved for punching". Basically there are only a few ways hands could have evolved and be good for punching, and they did evolve that way. It was also shown that humans can punch and palm strike with about the same amount of force.

[@stevenevenshow2790]

I love these vids where you show stuff and not only talk. Maybe I worded that wrong, I dont know.

[@DenterNu]

There's a much more important injury factor than distal radius when palm striking. It's the scaphoid bone, much easier to injure.

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

Apparently bouncers use palm strikes, but most of them are huge, so everything works for them.

[@newsoftheday420]

It was a very smart move for this guy to get into martial arts because he has one of the most punchable faces I have ever seen.

[@CedricDur]

I remember trying palm strikes on the bag. Immediately felt the over extending of the whatever thing carpal majjiga and immediately dropped the idea.

[@eddyedwards6273]

This guy is king of bs..check irish boxing they use plenty of palm strikes

[@mikelevy7783]

Well sold but missing some important information. The reason boxers tape their wrists is because punching with a clinched fist can also result in a sprained wrist. In fact, punching with the knuckles as a striking surface means the wrist has 360 degrees of opportunity to roll. The irregular surface of the knuckles makes the possibility of rolling higher and more random, which makes it harder to keep your wrist tensed in the direction needed. Meanwhile, striking with the palm cuts the possible directions of the roll dramatically. While your wrist could be bent backwards, you know that backwards is the direction it's most likely going to go. Therefore, you can focus on keeping your wrist tensed forward, which is the direction your forearm muscles are strongest. You can also strengthen your wrists with wrist curls. The odds that you will break a finger with a palm strike is higher. However, breaking a finger is nowhere near as bad as breaking a hand. Toddlers naturally attack with hammer fists, as do apes (humans are apes) and chimps. When it comes to protecting your hands while hitting, the hammer fist is the best and is what our hands evolved to use. However, a hammer fist is not the same thing as a boxing punch. If a guy covers has face with both hands like you demonstrated, his mid-section is wide open. This is the part of the body you want to hit with fists. As the old saying goes "hit the hard parts with the soft parts and hit the soft parts with the hard parts!"

[@aumadityadhawan]

Punches are better than palm strikes only when the guy palm striking is not Bas Rutten

[@pattyviggers3581]

where we get the full version of the Krav Maga man, I need that parody to mock on my for da Streetz cousin.

[@sleepyj9123]

True gentleman strike with an open hand, the goal is not to injure the opponents body, but their spirit and pride. Then when they begin to grow irrationally angry and start posing an actual significant threat you politely step back, and pull out your gun.

[@iconomachus]

Bass Rutten entered chat...

[@JerryHatrickShorts]

Nope. Palm strikes can be taught to almost anyone. Punches will leads to broken metacarpals because if you don’t train enough, you will def break it

[@spacecadet35]

It takes a lot of training for people to keep their wrist straight when punching.

[@diablovec4924]

Got shot in my pink and can’t make a fist I have to use a palm strike😭

[@stevoz748]

As someone who's been doing different kinds of martial arts for 15 years with plenty of sparing, palm strikes most definitely reduce the likelihood of injury, if you're aiming for the head, body shots its the opposite. People move, skulls are hard. So It also depends in the angle you're striking, some strikes its easier to palm, others easier for punch, what causes the knock out isn't wether its your knuckle or open hand is making contact, it's how hard you can jostle the brain in the skull.

[@alexkozliayev9902]

My friend broke his hand like these in Muay Thai practice. He hit right on the frontal bone with slightly imperfect fist form. And he was trained in kyokushin previously for several years

[@kaischreurs2488]

mike tyson only having such a mild fracture against another elite heavywheight fighter seems more like an argument for punches than against it, I don't think most of us can even generate 1/5th of the force he could at the time.

[@GourmetBurrito]

But imagine the mental damage you can cause by only slapping during a street fight. That's some viral worldstar energy right there

[@pilot.wav_theory]

Im so glad someone finally acknowledged you cant make a proper fist in boxing gloves. This is the reason why i would rather compete in amateur mma than amateur kickboxing

[@Fightyfatty]

Bas Ruten disagrees I love the channel and I’m still watching the video so I’ll wait for the conclusion but still there’s a tremendous amount of evidence to suggest that slapping and palm strikes are preferable to closed fist punches without gloves.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Bas Rutten only did that because his promotion didn't ALLOW punches. He would have punched if they'd let him.

[@Fightyfatty]

@@ArmchairViolence Maybe. You’re correct in saying that closed fist has a greater impact than open hand punches but it makes the assumption that you would throw the closed fist strikes with the same mechanics as an open hand strike. If your lady friend had actually loaded up and turned her hips over she would have broken her hand on your forehead (icy mike and Ramsey Dewey have both covered this if you’re curious) if she threw a strike with the proper mechanics and an open hand she has a nearly zero percent chance of braking her hand. That’s the question. Is it better to throw a terrible strike with a closed fist or a good strike with an open hand.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@Fightyfatty She could have broken her hand, but a full power palm strike would have definitely broken her wrist. Also, if someone punches me hard enough to break their hand, it's probably going to REALLY hurt my head. Obviously, punching someone risks injury. But so does palm striking. And so does fighting! If you're already in a street fight, throwing a punch is NOT the most dangerous part of that encounter.

[@Fightyfatty]

@@ArmchairViolence well of course it’s not the most dangerous part of the encounter. In fairness after 4 years of training boxing under pressure I would definitely throw punches, but with the knowledge of position range and timing I feel (I’m speculating because I haven’t been in a fistfight as an adult) could win most fights against untrained opponents by slapping them and not incurring the risk of a fracture

[@Fightyfatty]

@@ArmchairViolence to be clear I’m advocating slapping here on the assumption that you’re correct in saying that you would certainly break your wrist which I think is a dubious claim given the history of palm strikes in combat sports.

[@ended-randomcreations]

Using full power attacks is similar to smashing and spamming heavy attack buttons on arcades

[@hamstring6792]

If your arsenal only includes fist or palm, you are not yet well trained. If you don't know when and how it's appropriate to use each weapon, you are not yet well trained. If you can't strike accurately with your weapons, you are not yet well trained.

[@TheEvilpossum]

I have a weird move I figured out that I suppose is the "right" way to do this, which is to strike my wrists directly against a surface or each other. The only things I've done with it are break a window and put myself in incredible pain. The police were impressed.

[@OneNvrKnoz]

Hahaha. She’s a keeper!

[@supremebearsquirrel3500]

Straight punching only exists in situations of mutual combat (ring, brawl with both people in a fighting stance). In real confrontations people either swing wild or clinch up. Humans didn't evolve to throw straight punches, we evolved to throw stones and spears, the act of which involves a swinging motion with your hand open at the end (as you can't throw anything while holding on to it). Throw some haymakers and liver hooks on the bag. It is more natural to impact with the palm heel or the wrist bone than with the fist. The only straight shot, humans are naturally equipped to do, is a push with both hands to either the chest or facs, with the palms. I'll teach Jabs and Crosses in MMA class. I'm not doing it in SD class. Much easier to build techniques on human anatomy than against it, especially if it is intended to be used in ambush situations (where real violence happens), where technical fighting isn't possible anyways (has to do with brain anatomy, look up tony blauer s.p.e.a.r).

[@sonnylost2179]

Your gf is completely awkward during the parts you beat her hahahaha I kinda feel for her. Poor Kaylin (idk if I got the name right). At least she got a happy ending. Sort of. And yeah, great video. Whoever says punches are bad just... Can't fight.

[@mohammadtausifrafi8277]

Actually throwing palm strikes the way she threw easily injures hands, the forearm has to be behind the part that hits i.e. the palm has to be bent, without the backup of the forearm injuries will occur easily. Forearms are naturally behind the hitting area while punching.

[@SwordTune]

This might be the one time I slightly disagree with you, especially at 1:47. That is terrible technique for a palm strike. I love the palm strike and use it regularly on the heavy bag. Can I hit just as well with punches? Sure. But the palm has its uses as well. And while our knuckles increase the pressure of a punch, impulse is the change in momentum with time. You can have just as hard of an impact, even if you might not open cuts like a punch. On paper I know it sounds like a palm strike has more surface area and is likely to hurt your wrist, but after years of using it weekly on a heavy bag I have never found this to be actually true in practice. It's not a better alternative, but it isn't as awful as it seems.

[@roger4roger]

The palm strike isn't more likely to hurt your wrist. If you don't land with the heel of your palm, sure you could hurt your wrist. But it's easier to punch incorrectly than it is to palm strike incorrectly.

[@omarkusturica3174]

@@roger4roger with a straight palm strike you dont have correct joint alignment by definition.

[@roger4roger]

@@omarkusturica3174 if you're referring to what's shown at the point of the time stamp, that's not how you palm strike.

[@SwordTune]

@@roger4roger ikr

[@showersdpn]

ALSO, Mike Tyson punches people in the ring full force which could've done the work of putting micro damage to the bones. To which the punch in the fight finished off the carpel.