Why Palpatine Had to Disappear from the Galaxy and then Return in Episode 9!

[@starwarsreadingclub]

Hey everyone! With Episode 9 only days away, I wanted to make sure I provided all of my final thoughts regarding Palpatine’s return based upon the lore, as well as make my case for the role of Anakin (and Luke!) within this lore material. But I also wanted to provide a video where we could discuss some Episode 9 thoughts, so please don’t hesitate to let me know what you think in the comment section below. Your support has been so incredible and I can’t thank you all enough for your comments. It really helps and means a lot everyone. I have a full week of videos based on Legends lore planned, so I hope that you enjoy them!

[@spkt0r]

I have always made it (in My Star Wars Universe), that if all these Jedis and Sith and other force users can become ghost or immortal entities that they can posses and take over clone bodies, and come back into the corporeal universe.

[@dannymurray2807]

Nah jj just pulled it out at the last second and you know it you serve the darkside reading club because the movies are a spit in the face of actual sw fans

[@jeskerjames2938]

If Palpatine challenges the Will of the Force in Episode IX, it only makes sense that Anakin Skywalker as the Chosen One channels the Will of the Force to defeat Palpatine. I think the best way to end the Skywalker Saga is have Anakin defeat Palpatine, thus destroying the Sith and accomplishing that part of the prophecy. Then Anakin can use the knowledge and wisdom he gained in the netherworld of the Force to teach Rey and Kylo so that through them a new order of balanced Force users can rise, an order known as "The Skywalkers". This act would accomplish the balance of the Force part of the prophecy, and it would give meaning to Anakin's sacrifice and redemption in Episode VI, as he would have needed to become a Force Ghost to gain the knowledge needed to create this new order.

[@jintym2951]

I'd like to firstly thank you for not referencing any of the TV spots because I have been avoiding them for all I'm worth! The trailer was enough for me. More importantly tho, I too am toeing that line between excitement and fear. I completely agree that the ending of ROTJ is wonderful and important. Not only for Anakin's arch & redemption but for Sidious as a threat. Please don't misunderstand, I am beyond excited for him to be the threat of this final chapter. I literally skipped through my parents home singing "They're bringing back my Palpatine! My Palpatine is back!" to the tune of Queen's Bicycle after watching the panel on KZbin (my Mum is a wonderfully accepting soul 😄), so there's definitely no lack of enthusiasm on my part. But I'd be lying to say that I'm not terrified that he's only being brought back to be killed again, like so many other villians; Moriarty, Khan, the Daleks, or worst of all Cobra Commander! I don't want to see his threat & evil diluted. My hope is that he is foiled by being trapped in exile like Abaloth, or that it literally takes the Chosen One to literally become his prison guard and seal him inside the force similar to his defeat in Legends, or best of all he kind of wins.... He becomes the new manifestation of the Dark like the Brother but Anakin takes the role of the Father and keeps him from returning to the wider galaxy with Luke volunteering to remain also to allow for true balance. Some variant of these ideas would be cool, tho maybe they have something even more satisfying planned.

[@DaleESkywalker]

@@dannymurray2807, so Snoke's TFA callbacks to something only Palpatine, Luke or Vader would've known in RotJ is JJ pulling something out at the last second? Hmm, are you one of those _actual Star Wars fans?_ Amazing! I've heard toothpicks holding your eyelids open works to fool some people but if you're not awake, you're just not awake. Save that seat at the theater for someone who's really interested in TROS and truly passionate about Star Wars.

[@calexander7495]

Because the Disney's established villians can't carry a finale.

[@kiddtaak]

Snoke could have done it just fine. Especially if they would have revealed that he was Darth Plagues

[@alexa1591]

kiddtaak Darth Plagueis isn’t a Disney established villain so you proved the op’s point

[@kiddtaak]

@@alexa1591 Epic Fail!!! 😂😂😂😂

[@alexa1591]

kiddtaak 🤦‍♂️ so Plagueis was a character written and established since the purchase of Star Wars by Disney? Explain where/when this occurs? Don’t get salty because you’re wrong

[@923crono]

I'm honestly surprised that they didn't create a villain based on modern day politics, since Lucasfilm has a SJW hard on.

[@CrunchyNorbert]

Say it with me; poor franchise management

[@erickrasniewski567]

@Arkady yeah at least legends had a better overall story

[@eddieash6189]

Poor franchise, what he said

[@DepressedFishey123]

As much as I like the new canon I hate these movies whoever's in charge of the movies needs to be fired

[@darthmonkeyballz6431]

CrunchyNorbert wait...... Wait..... Can I scream it?

[@biguzi27]

Arkady fuck off disney bootlicker

[@RyanTheDark]

Because he wanted the galaxy to pay a price for their lack of vision.

[@lachlancurran-palmer3885]

No cause he had to look after his Grandaughter Rey probably

[@GreyForceTK]

Because Rian Johnson killed Snoke and Disney doesn’t know about Plageus

[@Imanmagnet00]

Snoke was a terrible idea from the start. No one liked him and it was just Abrams being uncreative. He died to further Kylo's development down an irreedeemable path that Rey can't follow. But that's all going down the drain anyway because Abrams only cares about his mystery box.

[@Alexander-fl7ii]

Imanmagnet00 but Kylo already lost to Rey, so who do you recommend being the antagonist in the final movie?

[@Imanmagnet00]

@@Alexander-fl7ii Kylo already is the supreme leader and he has doubled down on his path to destroy what remains of the jedi. He's got the means and a motivation, all you would have needed is all the time they are gonna waste on explaining Palpatine to show the audience what his endgame is but given that there is no new republic now because TFA decided that wasn't important, nothing in the movie is at stake besides his vengeance on Rey.

[@robin12345665]

@@Imanmagnet00 look a rian jhonson fan boy

[@bigeddymachete]

@The Shadow Man i guess you and those four likes are everyone o guess

[@TheLiamster]

He just had a really long respawn time

[@travelerluke5748]

Or he was very far from the grave yard.. Lol a very old wow joke.

[@КонрадЛейк]

Its called a respawn delay

[@Marvellous.Misfit]

🤭🤭🤣🤣

[@thulsa_doom]

Maybe his internet connection was lagging his respawn

[@kevinfisher5492]

I wish that JJ would even give us that. Sounds like NO explanation is given for how he survived. A Sith respawn point would be better than more mystery box bullshit.

[@basedtvrk9125]

Short answer: An idiot thought it would be a good idea to kill the big baddie in the second movie.

[@MrPsych77]

@Sorley Walker Rian cared more about subversion than he did about a coherent plot.

[@azariahkyras7736]

Because he has waited a long time for this moment, my little green friends.

[@lorenzomagana5174]

The mandolorin : hey stop that

[@tengkualiff]

@@lorenzomagana5174 its Mandalorian u uncultured swine

[@Vidhur]

@@tengkualiff No, it's Mandarin, you xenoglossophobe. :(

[@azariahkyras7736]

@Abe Tsenoh Your arrogance blinds you, master Yoda.

[@DC8091]

Long enough for JJ to rio off Anderson, again

[@michaelwautraets7126]

"Hey Plagueis, why the long face?" "Dunno, got a feeling the Force itself might strike at me one day."

[@joshuadunford3171]

Because Palpatine actually died was revived by an evil mouse who hopes to grow his empire to sell to a cult who watched everything that happened to the skywalker family

[@joeybulford5266]

Joshua Dunford Omfg I’d watch the fuck out of that movie

[@staneckman8259]

What are we going to do today brain, try to take over the world pinky...

[@johnroper1197]

Joshua Dunford This movie will be a joke.

[@robertobravo5732]

Fuck that evil mouse

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Bringing him back is a mistake. Undos Anakin's sacrifice and also there was no hints towards his return.

[@masonruhlen]

There were hundreds of hints, especially in the aftermath trilogy. not arguing with the undoing the sacrifice though

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

@@masonruhlen Regardless Snoke should have been the main villain of the sequel Trilogy.

[@jknetwork6211]

Alex Mercer snoke is just a rip off of Palpatine though. Only interesting thing about him was his past not his personality. Kylo imo should have been the final villain.

[@masonruhlen]

@@jknetwork6211 agreed

[@alexandersullivan8148]

You’ve clearly never read legends

[@Rejoice.]

Haven't seen anyone do a theory on what Darth Vader thought of Qui Gon Jinn, did he ever think about him? An interesting idea.

[@dhyde2025]

ROS, It’s not rise of skywalker, it’s; Return of Senate.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

It took so long because they've been arguing all this time.

[@corporateturtle6005]

Rise of The Mary Sue.

[@dhyde2025]

@@corporateturtle6005 Nothing is a bigger Mary Sue than R2D2!

[@jgonzalez20]

It's really sad to think Anakin died a failure just cause disney says so.

[@bigenson18]

He didn't tho. It passed on to Luke.

[@hornetc5585]

@@funzees1544 SJW wants to know your location. We liberals can't respect other's opinions because we are always right, and you are always racist. Now if you will excuse me, I need to go find someone else to criticize instead of doing my homework and/or job and blaming my low income/grades on my color or sexuality.

[@CyberController-]

What? WHAT??? Are you really saying that bringing Sidious back ruins Anakins sacrifice then i have two words for you. DARK. EMPIRE!!!!!

[@ukaszbiaek6641]

@@CyberController- So are you justifying crap with a other sh*t?

[@VictorIV0310]

Wouldn’t be the first time Papa Palps came back from the dead.

[@MrFrostien]

Rememer the days when you didnt need to read tons of outside material to understand a movie? Good days

[@TorquemadaTwist]

If you bought a car that needed that much after market work you'd return it. Or get used to walking.

[@jamesporter571]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@qualityautismNoah]

@Arkady The Expanded Universe EXPANDED on the movies, you DIDN'T HAVE to read them to UNDERSTAND THE MOVIES, which is what Frostien means.

[@qualityautismNoah]

@Arkady Yeah. And? You still don't have to read them, you do get more stuff, but it's not necessary to understand the plot of the movies.

[@nofunpolice6132]

It's not like the originals wasted time explaining things, it's just that people prefer to hold the squeals to unreasonable standards to confirm their bias.

[@jknetwork6211]

Palpatine wanted to catch up on Star Wars the clone wars before he came back.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

He's a big fan.

[@jayjayson9613]

He's got good taste.

[@WhoisPersona]

Because sith happens and besides his survival was a close sheev.

[@Ally.Cat.252]

Luke Higgins I see what you did there

[@eccentricjoe5410]

@Keldor Miro or you know, it just makes sense to tie up the saga with its main antagonist.

[@Darthpathfinder]

To be honest snoke should have been plaugus and the whole rise and fall of the empire and the new republic should have been his grand plan.

[@markallensnow925]

And they should have had all the original cast in the same shot in the same movie.. they should have been 'pass the torch' not burn it all down..

[@affablesage9582]

Impossible. Palpatine killed Darth Plagueis himself. Snoke turning out to be Plagueis would have been just as retarded as Palpatine's death being retconned for this abortion of a movie.

[@kiddtaak]

💯💯💯 the Darth Plagues angle would have been sweet

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

@@affablesage9582 Plagueis supposedly discovered immortality. Imagine if there'd been more to it than what Palpatine understood and he reincarnated with his power and memories and after Return of the Jedi, so did Palpatine.

[@923crono]

Can't "subvert expectations" with good ideas. Disney/Lucasfilm need to project their political viewpoints.

[@Neurolytic76]

Anakin has to be in Episode 9. He is a focal point of the entire story.

[@genrealgrevious5453]

He isnt I'm gonna assume you haven't seen the leaks. The entire movie is omega ass.

[@markanderson4689]

wrong, the focal point of the entire story is the politically correct bullshit the idiots at disney want to push

[@regerbryan]

Nathan Armstrong he got cut

[@blackneos940]

Palpatine groomed him again.

[@Shawnsprince1]

Doesn't bringing Palpatine back conflict with Disney's own Star Wars Canon? Battlefront 2 said the contingency plan (Operation: Cinder) was activated upon his death... So if he didn't die why did the plan activate?

[@jknetwork6211]

CaptainKirk MasterJinn is battlefront 2 really canon to the movies?

[@heitorgomes5267]

@@jknetwork6211 it is

[@Shawnsprince1]

@@jknetwork6211 even the books and comics are considered required material to understand the sequel trilogy, according to Disney. Also known as cover up for bad storytelling...

[@jknetwork6211]

CaptainKirk MasterJinn only to understand characters like Poe and phasma but that’s nothing really new considering they did the same with maul and grievous. If you didn’t read the books or watch the cartoons you didn’t know anything about them. Hell when fans say that the clone wars makes the prequels better so this isn’t good but it’s nothing new. Also regarding the Sidious thing. They thought he was dead that’s why the plan activated.

[@Shawnsprince1]

@@jknetwork6211 I never played the game or read all the books. Yet seen the cinematics for the game, which was made before 8 and as he wasn't planned to return in 9 at all. They clearly state upon his death the plan was put into motion. But bc Kylo killed Snoke and Kylo is supposed to be the big baddy, yet he's been beaten by Rey several times. They had to contradict their own Canon to finish the story.

[@14bis42]

Because this is a extremely bad written trilogy ... totally on despair for some nostalgia points .

[@Sanjovalentine]

14 bis not saying it isn’t a bad trilogy, but what would you have done to make it better?

[@buffydaslaya]

@@Sanjovalentine Literally remove everything they did for the sequels and just do the Thrawn Trilogy.

[@spkt0r]

@@Sanjovalentine Not Make it, if something is so badly done that it ruins the story element or completely breaks the story universe then don't do it. When they made the EU non-canonical that's when they ruined it.

[@DaleESkywalker]

@@Sanjovalentine, some people need training. Luke had to "unlearn what he thought he knew. Anakin had to learn how to overcome Sidious' influence. Rey has learned about the Jedi since she was young and didn't know how to disbelieve it. Where did Snoke come from and how did his fall to the dark side happen? Why did Sidious (oh, wait. This video describes that). There are lots of things people want to know, but there are lots of people who don't need to know those things to understand what's important to the story itself.

[@joncook7510]

@@DaleESkywalker the sequel trilogy is garbage dude. It isn't worth trying to analyze.

[@baileynelson9048]

I'm not really interested in the Disney canon, I'm a legends man till the end.

[@Sandbek1973]

Me too. To hell with Disney and their evil henchwoman Darth Kennedy

[@natewood8124]

Agreed

[@Chilling_Chilling]

@@Sandbek1973 woman? more like transbeing lol

[@TheAltarOfMadness]

Dont think about it too deeply. I guarantee you that Jar Jar Abrams didnt.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

He shed his skin so that was just a shell Vader threw into the reactor. If you look far into the background you'll see a pink freshly molted Sidious sneaking off.

[@TheIndustrialRetrospective]

It's simpler than that, Roundhead killed off the main villian, so Abrhams was left with no choice but to bring him back.

[@conradojavier7547]

Is Kylo a Glorified Jobber to be an Antagonist.

[@akumaking1]

If you shave Ruin Johnson, you get Brian Stelzer.

[@TheIndustrialRetrospective]

@@conradojavier7547 oh for sure he is gonna get jobbed out in ep9. I'm going to be glad when this Skywalker saga nonsense is over. It's just Disney trying to have their films looked at in the same vain as George's masterpieces.

[@Jrocc811]

Terrible writing and directing brought him back. There isnt anything fascinating about this shit story.

[@markallensnow925]

AMEN!

[@cBake0]

I honestly don't understand the outrage, first the complaint was the loss of the original EU as Canon. Now they literally use an EU plot point and it's a terrible idea. Lol this is rich, been watching Star Wars fanboy outrage since the nineties, it never changes. I'm just going to keep enjoying all this fresh Star Wars content :)

[@fernandonavia8804]

@@cBake0 there are a lot of things that have been taken from EU (palpi comes back, the son of leia and han turn to the dark side and fuck things up, etc). HOWEVER, not because those ideas were in the EU that means that they were well implemented, because they werent. EU: Jacen Solo is pushed time and time again into the dark side because he saw a lot of fucked up shit. He was captured in the most bloody and horrible war the universe have ever seen, he was tortured by a fallen Jedi who, at the end, showed him a different path, and he took it. He was secretly a sith for years before being discovered (he wasnt Palpatine after all) and he fucked up the galaxy as Darth Caedus. Awesome story that developed for a long time. Canon: Ben Solo was born with darkness inside him cuz Vader. Luke saw this and, despite the FACT that he saw the little, tiny light in Vader's heart, that he was willing to die before killing his father, who was at the time the second most evil and ruthless individual in the galaxy, he came with the conclusion that nope, his nephew needed to be killed, you know, the only son of his beloved sister and Best friend. So he tried to kill him when he was sleeping, he failed. Then lucky Kylo found a dark user that finished his training. These 2 stories have the same basis, one is slowly crafted to develop the fall of Solo's son into the dark side, the other is a spit to the face of a beloved and important character (Luke), destroying the character, making him do something so off character Even the actor was pissed ... I remember Dooku was supouse to beg for mercy, but Lee thought that that was WAY off character for Dooku to do, and Lucas agreed. THAT is how you handle character development, thats what a true director do, not telling their actors "shut up and drink from that alien's tits"

[@cBake0]

@@fernandonavia8804 see the problem is you are twisting the new Canon with a belittling frame. Snoke had been twisting Ben Solo for years before Luke peered into him with the Force. Ben had been lied to his entire life about Vader as his connection to Luke and Leia was a secret the Galaxy at large was unaware of. The wider state of the Galaxy had not improved following the fall of the empire, and Ben felt like Anakin that politics prevented the action that needed to be taken. He built up a glorification for the perceived order the empire had represented. Luke had a moment of weakness when he saw the destruction the first order would cause, can you imagine the intense emotion you as a beacon of light would feel seeing the deaths of all of your students, of Han your best friend, seven Central populated worlds core to the government of the republic you believe in snuffed in an instant, possibly the destruction of the light itself and Sidious's return if these new story threads are considered, and he ignited his blade for a mere moment before regaining his composure. It's not that far fetched, and it's not terribly written. In fact it's quite interconnected through comics, books, movies, and shows now and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. But I was never a fan of the Vong War and always felt that much of the old EU from the point of it's implementation leaned on poor writing, and my opinion is that this new Canon actually takes some of the best concepts from the EU and adds real cohesion to them.

[@cBake0]

@@fernandonavia8804 I could keep going but I don't feel like it, because I've got nothing to prove to you. I'm still going to love Star Wars at the end of the day.

[@RockingRebelYell]

It's a worse version of The Dark Empire

[@CyberController-]

It's not even out yet. Besides, nothing can be worse than Dark Empire!

[@MrNombik]

@@CyberController- yea the story of dark empire is very bad, but the art tho, it's beautiful man, some of the pages did compensated that for me.

[@CyberController-]

@@MrNombik The art is what initially drew me into the comic. And while it looks good sometimes, other times i had no idea what was going on. Also the lightsabers a all white (which annoys me more than it should.) As someone who likes the S.T, i'm very excited to see if they do it better in R.O.S.

[@CyberController-]

@Blitzwing2011 Lazier than "Oh he was a clone da whole time!!!"?

[@theantone7476]

Dark Empire was great

[@ionryful]

Because Disney didn't have any plan from the beginning and wanted 3 different directors to do each movie, leading to different ideas and visions for the movies, leading to contradictions and writing the other directors into a corner. They killed off the main villain and, without any legitimate threat, fell back on a villain that died and helped fulfilled the prophecy of the chosen one that took 6 movies to unfold. They created new characters with little to no backstory and few explainable character traits, made legacy characters regress in character development and/or made them act in a way totally opposite of the way they acted before. Finally, introducing abilities and concepts that go against canon without good explanation as to why it didn't happen before.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

I've heard of painting yourself into a corner but to do it with napalm?

[@Jim71]

👏👍

[@lemon93]

You do relize that in legends he comes back too

[@ionryful]

@@lemon93 It contradicted the whole Chosen one prophesy and only brought Palpatine back as damage control and not as legitimate plot point that would make the story progressively better or interesting. In fact, the Star Wars comics and shows are forced to fix this problem by making seem like this was planned all along to make it more interesting.

[@dhyde2025]

I only read the title of the video, but I am confident I know the answer. Bad writing. It was bad writing.

[@calexander7495]

Ding ding. We have a winner.

[@VulturePilot]

Arkady well Disney keeps sucking so complain to them

[@Mecha82]

@Arkady I agree. It's so tired that people that do that need to calm down and let go.

[@NekronataRaeven]

@Arkady The defending a billion dollar company is even more redundant and tbh. if you defend it for free, your even stupid as hell (since Disney even pays for that).....

[@NekronataRaeven]

@@Mecha82 And we have the next person, defending a company, that only cares about money. If people need to come down, why are you then even commenting? Your legally doing what you dont want others to do, in the name of CAPITALISM rofl.

[@axeljehovanymendoza]

The real answer is Ruin Johnson.

[@Chilling_Chilling]

Aka Darth Soyboyus

[@mr.mellow6638]

Palp is gunna be the only even kinda good aspect to ep 9 i will call it now

[@Darkwintre]

Because they fcuked up the franchise with their inability to understand what that involved!

[@Knowbody42]

_"Why Palpatine Had to Disappear from the Galaxy and then Return in Episode 9"_ I'm going to go with *no.*

[@juanleon1138]

Exactly this channel is a shill being paid by someone to get people excited for the next disney crap

[@HAIL-WAR.C]

Disney sequel star wars sucks.....!

[@markanderson4689]

i completely agree, it's complete dog shit

[@JohnDoe-vn1we]

Oh look, whiney miserable star wars fans, shocking. Get over it losers. Your precious pre Disney star wars was just as full of shit and lame writing as the new ones.

[@Chosengaming2001]

@@JohnDoe-vn1we then explain to me why prequels don't get the hate anymore after sequels?

[@Chosengaming2001]

@Arkady i dont ask you,but okay.

[@Beyondlimits_400]

John Doe I’d take the prequels over this forced agenda bull shit any day. These movies fucking suck lol

[@zachcarpenter3903]

The old EU was far more entertaining. Love it or hate it, many of the books/comics and video games were far superior in their execution of their ideas. The same truly cannot be said of the dark times of the Disney era.

[@zachcarpenter3903]

Sadly yes...but at least the Mandalorian is badass. And Jedi Fallen Order looks great. Haven't gotten to play it yet but I want to.

[@Mecha82]

Clearly you haven't read crap like Dark Apprentice or Dark Empire 2 because those are far worse than anything that new canon has.

[@zachcarpenter3903]

Oh im building my collection as we speak lol. I plan to get to those eventually and make my own decisions about em ;)

[@zachcarpenter3903]

@Arkady well as a fan of Bloodborne and Souls, this makes me very excited to check it out even further.

[@d.whillmar1740]

@@zachcarpenter3903 Mandalorian fits the old EU just fine. That and Rogue 1 are the only good things made by Disney

[@Nubin2000]

Palpatine is gonna teleport via the Force Wormhole technique to survive the fall from Vader.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

No, he absorbed the radiation from the reactor core and now becomes huge with super strength when he gets angry. The Incredible Sith.

[@swedsteve93]

Or hes just a clone... and that's it. And nothing means anything anymore in StarWars. Anakin wasn't chosen for shit. The force doesnt give a shit. The writers dont give a shit.. did I mention the force went from being.. a FORCE OF NATURE to having a... sex change operation and now it wants to be known as a female. Yea. That's starwars now.

[@hiimollielol1663]

Because disney were losing money and had to bring him back

[@starwarzfan49]

It's called Ruin Johnson killed of the antagonist of the new trilogy. Jar Jar himself said Palpatine was not in the plan prior to episode 9. Pull KK and Jar Jar from star wars, give Dave filoni and John favreau their own trilogy and play the sequels off as the bad fan fiction it is

[@joseb.1681]

Jar Jar is the Sith Lord.

[@Mecha82]

@Arkady That really annoys me about Old Longfellow and others like him. They act like everything needs to be they way like bunch of entitled children.

[@lesteralford5189]

Excellent analysis, I've read most of the books and I think this is consistent with the story, good work

[@DaleESkywalker]

He had to heal and the Force itself is challenging him.

[@michaelledford4751]

Im 1 of the original Star Wars super fans whos followed the Star Wars universe since attending the premire in 1977 with my wife , aside from the original 3 films that my wife & i love both of us absolutely hate every Prequel following the original trilogy,the new social justice warrior Star Wars films are even worse than the Jar Jar Binks nonsense & do nothing to better the Stat Wars Universe ,the comics & books have been just as entertaining if not more exciting than the trilogy i love , im prolly the oldest Star Wars fan here at 74 years old , i just wanted to acknowledge how much pleasure i derive from listening to all of this lore explained on this channel , keep up the excellent work bringing these talks to us as most of us dont have the time to read everything thats cannon .

[@Tyler_W]

I'm really concerned that neither Anakin or Luke will play an important role in victory in Episode IX.

[@7177YT]

well, you sensed that in the force didn't you. (:

[@xineohpinakc264]

You put more thought into this than Disney did the movie. To Disney it is just a franchise to milk.

[@goodmind4940]

Can you compare Dark Empire and canon Palpatine return? (Unknown Regions vs Deep Core)

[@Tsathogguah]

Because Disney had no plan for the sequel Trilogy and Rian Johnson killed of Snoke in the second movie, so they needed a villain.

[@curtissowah2681]

If Disney wants to save Star Wars they need to bring darth binks

[@WarmouC]

I think this is the most interesting perspective I have ever listened about SW lore. There are long-run and short-run aspects about force stricking back and the longseing puppetmastermind of Palpatine and patience. Great job!

[@eccentricjoe5410]

Even when I was like 5, I always thought Palpatine was still alive. I mean, Vader lifts him up for a whole 6 seconds, walks over to the opposite hole in the throne room, even though there was a closer one, and then it sounds like Palpatine laughs as he is shocking Vader. That's just my take of ROTJ and palps 'death'

[@bigdaddytrips6197]

Yeah me to. The way Palpatine died sucked. They should of had vader Choke him to death

[@crisscross7062]

This guy just wants to justify Palpatine’s return in EP. 9 cause he likes the Disney trilogy

[@TorquemadaTwist]

@Chen Gōngtái 90 Palpatine should have slipped in the tub and broken his neck. Not only would he be dead but his followers would be to embarrassed to back the Empire.

[@eccentricjoe5410]

@@crisscross7062 wow and I am so terrible for liking Disney SW, I wasnt aware saying my own opinion was a sin, grow up

[@crisscross7062]

EccentricJoe pathetic excuse for a Star Wars trilogy... people like you are the reason Disney keeps pumping out mediocre content

[@DrKriegsgrave]

Holy crap SWRC, could you NOT have such a brutal spoiler as a text for your video? i had no FREAKING idea what was to happen in EP 9 i kept myself as spoiler free as possible from most tabloids and reddit and the revelation just came out unwillingly from your channel which i deemed safe.. BY MERELY LOOKING AT YOUR VIDEO TITLE.. AAARGH!!! thanks a lot. -__-

[@MrDennywick]

Doesn't make any sense unless the "chosen one" closes the story.

[@markallensnow925]

She does... Duh. "The force is female." didn't you learn anything?

[@lapure2220]

@@markallensnow925 huh ?

[@TheFlash-je3bl]

Rey is the Chosen one

[@lapure2220]

@@TheFlash-je3bl lmfao stfu man

[@bobbyz9052]

La Pure there’s no way they bring back anakin. Rey is the new chosen one

[@markkroberger739]

Well, seeing how he manipulated everything well before the events of Episode 1, moving through the Senate and gaining power to eventually become Emperor, he did this to place himself in a position to not just gain power, but to cheat his destiny, one he had foreseen (vaguely) of his death by the hand of his own apprentice. He had 'thought' he had planned everything perfectly, only to overlook the 'little' details that he never thought would be part of his eventual downfall (like the Ewoks on Endor). Still, he had several backup plans created, in the event of his demise, and one of those plans- should he die- he would live on in the body of a clone, if not several clone bodies over the course of time. However, only one clone was successfully created, leaving Palpatine to rethink his approach towards how he would retake the galaxy he once ruled. To do so meant having a more 'powerful' Empire than the one that was so easily crushed by the Rebels. Over time, Palpatine learned from his mistakes, while 'still' manipulating the events that were happening between the New Republic, the Resistance, and the First Order. Palpatine simply watched and waited for the right moment to strike.

[@evilcartoonmoon3370]

TL;DR

[@thewandererslibrary9928]

I have a question since papatine survived doesn’t that mean that the prophecy of the chosen one was wrong ?

[@steveoc1857]

Not if Anakin is the Skywalker to rise , or if Sidious no longer considers himself a Sith

[@thesharpercoder]

Palpatine could be returning as the first Sith Lord Force ghost. Yeah, George declared that Sith cannot become Force Ghosts. So what, that was then and this Is now.

[@truepatrician4700]

Darth Malak: *gets jaw sliced off and survives* Everyone: ok Darth maul: *gets split in half and survives* Everyone:ok Darth vader: *gets all of his limbs cut off and left to burn and survives* Everyone: OK Darth sidious: *gets thrown down a hole* Everyone: "BITCH HOW DARE YOU STILL LIVE"

[@catpin]

According to Star Wars Legends the Emperor Palpatine was in prison to prevent himself from being Resurrected so Emperor Palpatine will be escaping from prison and to prove the Emperor will return In Rise Of Skywalker.

[@myrrthegravitationallyadep741]

This completely flies in the face of who Palpatine was. Sheev was a narcissist, megalomaniac, and as corrupt as they come. In six movies, not once did he ever give up power, and if he had actually lived past ep. 6, he would have thrown surviving the assassination squarely in the face of the rebels, and laughed his ass off in the process. There is no way that Palpatine would have ever given up his control of the galaxy only to retreat into the shadows...that is what plageis would have done. You are talking about the wrong Sith.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Some people like being fashionably late so as to make a grand entrance. Palpation is such a diva.

[@myrrthegravitationallyadep741]

@@TorquemadaTwist absolutely, and that's why he would never return to the shadows once he was revealed. It would be beneath him.

[@ArmitageArchives]

Because Disney fucking sucks at writing good stories unless they hire Jon Favreau

[@thethirteenthdoctor1716]

I still think palpatine had some extremely loyal followers do some sort of sith alchemy ritual to resurrect himself

[@hypersecures]

Now at the end do you understand (fires force lighting) ELECTRIC ⚡️ CRACKLING

[@scottmurphy4946]

Palpatine had to come back so old fans will fill seats, then leave even more disappointed than TLJ

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Truly he is a Dark Lord.

[@StoneislandYT]

They’d fill more seats if Disney would’ve just wrote a decent narrative, instead of being cheap and lazy.

[@jajoffe]

Fantastic commentary! Cheers

[@Spright91]

I hate this idea of the force having a sentient will.ruins the mystique

[@ZoeyAlexandria]

Dude the subtext had me rolling.

[@GBRyker61]

Palpatine dissapeared from the galaxy because Vader threw him down a shaft and he was vaporized. But no, instead of coming up with a new villain to close out the Skywalker saga, JJ takes the lazy way out and brings back Palpatine, and then cooks up a contrived way to explain how Palps survived.

[@KimbasKingdom]

I think Snoke was supposed to be the main villain but Rian fucked it up xD

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Palpatine actually did a mind switch with Luke so it's been him under deep cover this while time. Wait, it's this where we go to submit shitty scripts?

[@That-paint-guy]

Hey good to see Star Wars Reading Club videos again!

[@fubblehead6608]

So basically Anakin's sacrifice was for nothing *GOOD JOB DISNEY*

[@Catalyst375]

Legends did it first, and also completely made the prophecy moot with new Sith perpetually reappearing.

[@Dakarai_Knight]

Catalyst375 true

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

Well technically the old jedi and sith are dead so he did bring balance in a certain point of view

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

But yes it was for nothing cause gosh darn it they shouldn't go into the sequel movies and just focus on the old republic the or clone wars

[@Mecha82]

@@Catalyst375 Indeed.

[@EleaticStranger]

This is so fascinating. I love the argument you make here because it redeems the important role of Luke, which some people still believe was inappropriately diminished in The Last Jedi, although I do not think that myself, and also because it explains the coherence of the sequel films in relation to the Skywalker saga as a whole. I am really encouraged by the quotes from Chris Terrio indicating that TRoS was written to explicitly address this fundamental question of the Force: What is it? How does the will of Force dictate Palpatine's return? How will it dictate the outcome? Well done.

[@travelerluke5748]

I prefer that it's just a desperate attempt to get the fans back in the seats and lazy writing.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

No he was actually a fungus based kid form and upon death he spread his spores which Luke unwittingly inhaled. One day he blew his nose and freed Sidious onto his shirt sleeve. {Luke pulls really carry a handkerchief} He reformed enough to escape and steal Luke's shirt in the process.

[@mountainman5173]

sorry to burst your bubble there hot rod... but Disney cut every scene Hayden Christiansen did. So Anakin will be a disembodied voice with 2 or 3 irrelevant lines.

[@phantomsidious2934]

If Darth sidious does return in this movie he'll be the best character in it for sure!

[@kvaldez46]

He is returning

[@phantomsidious2934]

@@kvaldez46 until I see his face I'm not saying it as a certainty

[@spkt0r]

Because he will bring in all those imperial credits, he will keep returning.

[@singvang1247]

Because Disney botched the sequels and didn't have any plan so Jar Jar Abrams brought Palps back out of desperation.

[@Grumpygrump2]

Gonna be honest, I feel like this video shows how bad episode 9 was on a plot and lore perspective

[@jesse_cole]

Pretty sure it's because Luke had the high ground after Siddious fell in that hole.

[@competetodefeat4610]

He had to disappear from the galaxy so Disney could bring him back as a cheap ploy to draw in the many fans they've lost.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

He slipped into a wormhole that transported him across the galaxy. I'm giving myself 30 seconds to contrive plot excuses.

[@cameronjones8641]

Really liked this video, very intelligent explanation

[@kvaldez46]

To become the Senate again

[@porkpiemastercheesecakefea149]

Personal opinion but main issue with the new films, is Disney wanted to create a new story, new characters for the "new" generations of star wars fans. Which led to the complete disregard of the original characters, yeah we got to see them in film again, but to what extent ? to see them be killed off unjustly ? If bringing back the emperor was such a focal point the film's should have been a fast forward straight to luke as grand master or just a master on the new jedi council. Discussing the re-emergence of the dark side, tremors in the force. We should have seen luke adopt Rey as his new padawan learner, seen them venture into the unknown in search of sith artifacts and dark entities, they could have kept the whole story of Ben solo being Luke's first padawan, who vanished and was believed dead. They should have spanned it over 6 films aswell, first three could have been to example and showcase the final defining moments of the original cast, use source material to create and develop their character further, it would been the perfect opportunity to introduce the new generations of characters through the older generation. To create a defining legacy for each of the original cast that would shape the new characters and the future events of the next three films which could have been used to tell the story of them searching for this new dark entity studying the ancient history of both orders, of course have some big battles here and there. But ultimately bring back the emperor, show that his contingency plan had been successful, he'd discovered the final secret of immortality through the dark sides path. Even perhaps had the film end with sidious revealing that he'd created army of sith warriors, had been dominating the unknown regions in the name of the sith enternals and the final battle would be between the new jedi or and the new sith empire. At the revealing the final lesson like taught to Rey being that balance would only be achieved if the jedi order would become only servants to the forces will, be it through dark or light but to use both in unity

[@iwu-xm3xc]

He had to disappear from the galaxy and then return in episode 9 because of bad writing.

[@brose04008]

Actually factors into TROS quite nicely. Appreciate your work.

[@ugahbugaaccount]

I know why!! Because of bad writing and lack of creativity at the current Lucas art management. That's why.

[@jayjayson9613]

Spot on.

[@mugwump7049]

Hey, what happened to your "if not for meeeeeeee" schtick?

[@jknetwork6211]

It’s clear fans just don’t like the idea of Sidious coming back in general. Even when he came back as a clone in EU fans hated it. I don’t mind as long as it’s executed well.

[@mediakira6621]

This! Oh it’s fine when legends does it but when Disney does it as well, that’s apparently a plague.

[@macwade2755]

Darth Sidious: I am inevitable! Anakin: And I am the Chosen One!

[@swedsteve93]

Sidious: haaa really? Still believe what after what these last two movies have done? What were you CHOSEN to do? Make me inact a super secret cloning plan that invalidates everything?

[@nofunpolice6132]

@@swedsteve93 No, that's Dark Empire. Episode 9 still needs to be released.

[@deanhymes3330]

But he was known to clone himself and put his spirit inside the clone.

[@Dakarai_Knight]

Rettznom but they’ve brought back several things from legends.

[@calexander7495]

@Rettznom wasn't that the primary plot point Disney Defenders used to bring up as justification for deleting the EU? I recall Palpatine's clone resurrection being used as a point of argument as to why the EU is overrated.

[@darthtroller]

@@calexander7495 lmao

[@RomeTWguy]

@Arkady the eu used to be canon under LFL policy until 2014

[@RomeTWguy]

@Arkady under LFL the eu was considered canon

[@TheTrueArchonFTW]

He had to disappear cause disney couldent think of how to do the movies

[@joseb.1681]

They’re just going to poop on the legacy of Palpatine. Killing him off easily.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

But he'll just come back again. Like Freddy Kruger. Only slightly less ugly.

[@mateoy3403]

I think they should have kept him a secret for Rise of Skywalker so we would have been surprised to see him on screen.

[@swedsteve93]

Nah I would've had a similar moment to the one where Leya.... Mary Poppins's her way back on board. "The fuck is this shit?"

[@vitorkennedy1862]

To appease us!

[@stargazer4683]

Question does the force in SW work similar to the speedforce in the flash like if too many people are taping into it causes less force/speedforce to go around ?

[@RHICfct]

good theory for an extremly bad trilogy, however im still not gonna pay a cent for disneys next piece of ****

[@jayjayson9613]

I'm watching it through my friends Disney+ account when it gets uploaded. I didn't watch Last Jedi until last week...wasn't impressed.

[@gammamaster1894]

Palp’s sounding a lot like Kreia here, hating that the force seems to have a will

[@ekahnoman7331]

... Because bad screen writing

[@kojiattwood]

...because JJ Abrams is attempting a desperate hail Mary to glue together a franchise that has been irredeemably shattered into a billion pieces?

[@jesussmith8788]

Because I’m the senate

[@scottyb68]

Disney should have admitted its mistake and sent 7 and 8 to the vault as legends and started 7 all over. What a mess.

[@arnaudrucin]

Carrie Fisher is dead so no chance. If she was still alive then there could have been a slight chance

[@denniscleary7580]

Got my tickets already

[@eddieash6189]

He had bad wifi

[@daveholland6293]

Better answer: shitty writing to bring back a character that might fix this financial mess for Disney

[@rockinHurley777]

Nailed it

[@darthtroller]

Yeah, specially since it's the last movie, they're probably like "fans will give us a chance, and once they realized it wasn't well executed, too bad they paid for the movie"

[@Mecha82]

@Arkady Indeed. Did people forget Dark Empire 1 and 2?

[@daveholland6293]

@Arkady Is that an excuse for bad writing? I didn't even bring up legends lol

[@daveholland6293]

@Arkady Thanks for your permission rando

[@jarod144]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol because Disney bought Star Wars to destroy it

[@charlesbordyiii1154]

I mean, Maul survived being cut in half and suffering a worse fall, and Maul is weaksauce.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Sidious has a healing factor like Wolverine. Once a couple of his cells landed in some nutrients he reconstituted himself. I think it was a bowl of oatmeal.

[@charlesbordyiii1154]

@Mr Notsoniceguy I call it a "Worse fall" because that shaft seems to go all the way to the planet's Mantle, or further. Maybe to the planetary core. That'd be a further fall than to the center of the death star.

[@neilmurphy966]

"love can reignite the stars.." - Revenge of the Sith novel 😉. So there's a broad cyclical aspect to the Force..Sidious was a part of that ebb and flow too?