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[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The heart of the matter is that Dooku had already mastered the basic, intermediate and some of the advanced skills of the Dark Side on his own, so the remainder is Sith knowledge no Sith Master is willing to share. It is the very knowledge that the apprentice hungers for. Moreover, Dooku was a very different apprentice, not only was he second only to Yoda in terms of Force knowledge in the Light, but was already an advanced Dark Side student. For 50 years, from the time he became a Knight, to meeting Sidious, he had learned from the Sith Holocrons in the Temple, and then after he left the Order he truly immersed himself in Sith Holocrons and texts, gathered from every corner of the Galaxy. He mastered Dark Side disciplines, like Force Lightning, and Force Subjugation and mind-ripping techniques before working with the Sith. I forget which book, but when Dooku first became Sidious' apprentice, Palpatine was surprised how much Dooku already knew. So, long-story short, Sidious had to be VERY careful with Dooku as a rival who already knew too much, and who Sidious was sharing too much power with already. Giving Dooku the remainder of the Dark Side knowledge would undoubtedly have resulted in Dooku openly challenging Sidious. Sidious was already aware of Dooku's prowess against Yoda and understood well that the modest gap between Sidious and Dooku in power, and that arming someone with already Grand Master level of Jedi knowledge with the advanced Sith knowledge is tantamount to committing suicide.

[@bluepatrick5]

I ain’t reading Alat

[@TheStellarmanCo.]

Dooku was already a Better Duelist than Palpatine

[@DarthAbaddon6480]

A very great point indeed. Especially considering that Dooku is already knowledgeable in the Force in general and that Dooku already had two whole decades of Jedi and possibly Sith knowledge even before Palpatine existed.

[@westington1]

@@bluepatrick5 Jesus, there seems to be such a lack of attention in the younger generation. Can you really not read something that takes 30 seconds or so? What’s wrong with your attention span geez ….? (Hope this isn’t too long for you to read 😆)

[@bluepatrick5]

@@westington1 well i didnt ask and there is nothing wrong with saying im not reading alat

[@ryanedgerton1982]

I think Sidious realized that if he taught Dooku too much, there was a very real risk not just of his power increasing beyond control but also of Dooku being shocked out of his delusions. Dooku believed, among other things, that when he and Sidious took over the galaxy Dooku would be allowed to create a new Jedi Order that blended the teachings of dark and light, but a true understanding of the nature and history of the Dark Side would've shattered this and many of Dooku's other twisted-but-lingering ideals. Dooku was, at his heart, a reformer -- at least, that's how he saw himself. However, the hierarchy of power demanded by the Dark Side would've cast down so much of what he wanted to accomplish. Had Dooku known, it's likely he would've turned on Sidious... and been powerful enough to succeed, potentially.

[@elmermedina1713]

Palpatine was always careful never to make his apprentices too powerful. Strong enough to do his bidding, sure. Strong enough to kill him, hardly.

[@raijyn2452]

Which is weird because he wanted Anakin to be a true sith, and the last part is what true sith do

[@user-gr6ux9ze9s]

Dude he literally took on Anikan acknowledging he anticipated he would surpass him so cool it

[@ZDiddy7777]

Yea, and it was obvious he treated Anakin MUCH differently than Dooku. In Legends it was made clear that Sidious only used Dooku to spit on, spank, choke, burn with light bulbs/cigarettes, etc.. and humiliate while getting banged out on the filthy tile floor of his executive bathroom. Whereas, a towel was always laid on the floor for Anakin and although never being allowed to "pitch" and smash out Sidious either, Anakin was rewarded with the rank/name of 'Dark General Powerbottom' and didn't have to just lay there and take Sidious' hammering. The rank of 'Dark General Powerbottom' afforded Anakin the freedom to thrust his young prison pussy back into any of Sidious' crazed strokes, unlike Dooku who had to just lay there and take it. Anakin was rarely spit on, spanked or burned, but he almost always requested to be choked and when Sidious inevitably lost his erection (usually numerous times) while still crushing that force sensitive ass, he never blamed Anakin or beat and/or verbally and physically abused him in embarrassing ways the way he did Dooku..... its pretty obvious Sidious saw Anakin as an apprentice and Dooku as just a hole for relieving stress and rage.... never to be given too much.... except, you know...... abuse, humiliation and vicious sexual jackhammering

[@J03ThumbsUp]

he should have left vader without a suit then he wouldnt be able to throw him into the death star

[@elmermedina1713]

@@user-gr6ux9ze9s Anakin was the exception

[@brokenbridge6316]

If only Dooku was less intoxicated with the Dark Side of the Force he might've realized what Sidious was all about.

[@joshuahenderson3444]

Whats crazy is the fact Dooku and Sidious were nearly equals with each other in terms of power, knowledge, wisdom, and experience but nevertheless was never meant to be permanent apprentice which i find still mind baffling cuz unlike Vader or Maul Dooku was wiser, older, experienced, skilled and unique and was far more disciplined and focused than either Vader and Maul, what separates Dooku from the other apprentices is that he never joined the Sith for the sake of personal vendettas or trying to save loved ones but for a cause and establishment

[@krel3358]

Thats because at his core Sidious is a bad sith Lord because he is filled with lust and greed to the point that he killed his own master too soon just because he had an opportunity to do so and then never outshone his own master so he ensured that no one would outshine him. His only real wisdom is in placing boxes of illusions around people so that they could never see what he was actually doing. I mean for all intents and purposes Sidious is just a master thief who is exceptionally good at administrating and controlling his stolen knowledge. In this sense Palpatine could never defeat someone who was as skilled or as powerful as himself because he heavily relied on hamstringing people through various tricks in order to give himself an advantage rather than just out right being more skilled or proficient, hes like a bully who only picks fights with people he knows are smaller than he is. Its why he genuinely panics when confronted by Yoda because he knows he has a chance of losing.

[@matthewmann8969]

Yeah Palps should of learned midichlorian manipulation and essence transfer before taking Plagueis to the other side yeah.​@@krel3358

[@matthewmann8969]

The problem was Dooku in Legends while his potential was super high higher then Mauls by a good deal and most others including Plagueis was that he was too old when he completely pledged over to the sith older then Sids himself yeah.

[@sdaftermath123]

@@matthewmann8969dooku lost to anakin for a similar reason qui gon lost to maul. Dooku lacked endurance compared to a force user in their mid 20s, his age was a con. Qui gon lost to maul due to him fatiguing over time over a long battle. Although dooku is able to fight fatigue off more then qui gon due to his connection to the dark side, his age still ended up being the tipping point in that fight against anakin in ROTS.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@sdaftermath123You have to remember that Dooku in Episode Three was not fighting one person but TWO by himself the combined team work of Anakin And Obi Wan at that point Anakin the ultimate form five user of both variants Shien And Djem So And Obi Wan the toppest tier form three user while Dooku was and is the ultimate master of Makashi when he was a Jedi And Sith had he fought each one on one from the beginning then after a good fight he would of won he was a high level eight duelist from AOTC to ROTS tied with Mace with a Saber both in turn only slightly below Yoda And Sidious as duelists who were low tier nines Anakin being the same level as Yoda And Sidious as a duelist with a lightsaber and Obi Wan at that point being a mid tier eight duelist so at that point while Anakin on even ground as above Dooku/Mace as a blade user Dookus force abilities are more honed and refined for one on one dueling even if Anakin has a higher potential even more so then Yoda And Sidious Dookus potential is close to Yodas only like one hundred points below yeah.

[@AndrewSmoot]

I don't believe Sidious wanted anyone to replace him as Emporer, even Anakin; I believe he would've tried Essence Transfer with Anakin one day, and, if the Midichlorians didn't die when Anakin's spirit did, Sidious would've continued living in Anakin's body and would've gained an even stronger connection to the Force.

[@eveningstar4543]

I agree. Like Sidious's master, I don't believe Palps ever planned for anyone to succeed him.

[@temmy9]

@@eveningstar4543 which i think was his downfall. The rule of two is the best way for the sith

[@anthonyradford8605]

Fun fact. In Legends, Palpatine 100% intended for Anakin to overtake him, even after he turned into Vader. However, after the Disney takeover this was retconned with the removal of the extended universe and it was changed to be that Sidious NEVER intended for ANYONE to surpass him.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@anthonyradford8605Sidious only wanted Anakin/Vader pre injuries to be his possible successor after the defeat on Mustafar Sids only saw Vader as a pawn just like he saw Dooku, Maul, Asajj, Grievous, Durge, and others he wanted Galen to be his equal but not successor then he later wanted Luke to succeed him or be his number two yeah.

[@oddmanout8692]

It's something I never understood about the Rule of Two. If the master never gives all his knowledge to his apprentice before a supremecy duel, then he may lose due to unequal skill. But if the apprentice wins then that knowledge is lost forever.

[@ralphealcoty1185]

Dooku was already powerful, but had Sidious revealed more secrets to him then things would’ve changed. Not surprised Sidious held a lot of his knowledge from Dooku AKA Lord Tyrannus. Sidious believed in the Rule of One even when he had Vader.

[@shanenolan5625]

Palpatine also has a secret tunnel system leading from his residence in 500 repulica to the limerge building. Allowed him to appear at home yet be in the works

[@persuasivebarrier2419]

a little weird to mention how the sith didn't mind training older force sensitives who grew disillusioned with previous video. mentioned how yoda changed his mind about age with luke and leia, and wanting train only after love from a stable family was made. maybe that was just special circumstances, an exception, and not long term.

[@christophersanchez7731]

Dooku was already a Master before his turn and he trained himself, having his own access to Sith Lore even before his turn as well There was little Sidious to train him, and of course Sidious was wary of Dooku especially after being able to take on Yoda in a saber duel, so it was wise to attempt to limit Dooku’s knowledge, even as Dooku fulfilled his potential at his own pace

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Pretty much. The only thing left Sidious could teach him was the true A-Level stuff on Sith Alchemy and other esoterica. However, that knowledge is what the Sith Master is supposed to withhold because once he gives up that last trump card there is no reason for the Apprentice to not kill him. Dooku had already mastered the basic, intermediate and even advanced Dark Side stuff through his own learning of 60 years of studying the Sith holocrons and other texts. Added to that is Dooku's mastery of the Light Side, second only to Yoda, and there sits a very powerful and dangerous Force User. Honestly, he might have been the most balanced Force User of the era. No one but him had dual mastery.

[@nevasoba5953]

Exactly right. He had fallen before he met sidious ,.

[@davidsmith7962]

Sidious wanted to sure that his power & position was assured. I can see why he limited Dooku’s training.

[@dennishicks2440]

Chancellor Palpatine is just a means to an end for Count Dooku" having experienced All Sides Of The Force, Dooku will simply allow The Way Of The Sith to play-out the way it always does, -in the brief time Chancellor Palpatine has before The Mantle Of Dark Lord Of The Sith and his secrets are usurped from him at the time of his death and replacement by The Apprentice!😎

[@eaphantom9214]

Too busy being head of their respective nations too Palpetine: Galactic Republic Dooku : COIS

[@thomasparque7834]

I suggest making a video about how in the Darth Plagueis novel about how Plagueis almost told Sifo Dyas about Kamino years before Episode 1 but was stop as if Dark Side was strangling his voice box to keep the word form escaping his mouth and maybe come up with theory of why.

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends EU without counting CGI TCW And Its Connectors Dooku was a high potentialed individual as noticed by Yoda, The Order, Plagueis, And Even Sidious himself all saw great potential in him having the third highest potential in the order only behind Anakin And Yoda in TPM Circa and before and years after that his Jedi Master Self was seen as third to Anakin And Yoda only within the order when it came to raw power, potential, and midichlorian count and second only to Yoda when it came to current power levels, knowledge, mastery, experience, combat, teaching, meditation etc he was considered a threat on his own due to his power and skills with the force and with the blade to Plagueis And Sidious, Dooku before turning to the darkside was a close second to Yoda with telekenesis, force shields, force barriers, force bubbles, tutiminus, force reflexes, force speed, force flight, force senses, battle meditation, beast control, force healing, force cleansing, telepathy, illusions, and more the only things Sidious taught Dooku with the dark side were force lightning, don moch, force drain, force scream, force cencealment, que tech, force stealth, force cage, teleportation, and a few other tricks but most force powers Dooku had before going under Sidious tutalage yeah.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Dooku mastered Force Lightning on his own before meeting Sidious.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069Not in Legends in Canon he did though yeah.

[@dartharaneus67]

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[@robpolaris5002]

If Dooku had been fully trained by Palpatine, he probably would have overwhelmed him. Healthy Vadar trained by Dooku and Palpatine is terrifying.

[@midgetydeath]

Honestly, I think that Sidious feared Dooku. Dooku was able to come far in the Dark Side even without really being affected by it and remaining true to both his character and his ideals. He was essentially a Jedi who used the Dark Side. That he was able to do this while being just as skilled and powerful in the Dark as a Darth probably downright disturbed Palpatine. That power with that control is something to be feared. And that was when taught only a little. If taught properly, his mastery of the Force would probably have been so potent as to make Palpatine's strength in the Force irrelevant in they fought.

[@TheTurnipKing]

I consider Dooku to be a Dark Jedi more than an actual Sith

[@John-115]

Dark Jedi who eventually got roped up into Sith status

[@TheTurnipKing]

@@John-115 most Dark Jedi consider themselves to be Sith but I think most Sith consider Dark Jedi idiot poseurs who know just enough to be dangerous

[@josegonzalezgonzalez3486]

Knowing Sidius by now at this point, it was logical and a cunning plan during the war

[@dailyholocron]

awesome video again 👌

[@dreadrath]

Kind of makes me wonder how Dooku might've turned out had Darth Plagueis chosen him as his apprentice instead of Sidious. A fully dark side trained Dooku, while still not a match for a prime Sidious, would have still been a formidable individual, that and Dooku probably would not have betrayed Plagueis. Actually those two would've made a pretty good team.

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends EU even without Dooku truly going deep into the dark side like Sidious, Vader, And even Maul he was still a top tier force user and duelist a high level eight close to becoming a nine a equal to Mace in Saber skill and only behind Anakin, Yoda, And Sidious with power but not by a ragdolling amount during ROTS and even before yeah.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Probably for the same reason Sidious never sparred with Dooku: Sidious had to maintain the credibility of his being superior. Dooku was already too advanced in the Force as a Jedi, and in the Dark Side due to his own learning, for Sidious' liking. Dooku was already the superior swordsman. Giving him the remainder of the Sith knowledge would make Dooku far too dangerous. A being who is the master of both Light and Dark to the highest degree is an exceptionally dangerous person. As it is, Dooku was too much of a rival as it was. Sidious preferred Maul and Vader as apprentices because he knew they could never credibly overthrow him because there was too much of a knowledge deficit. Sidious clearly has the upper-hand with them (he does against Dooku too, but the gap is much wider with the other two).

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends EU while Dookus potential was higher then Mauls, Maces and probably even Plagueises and most other characters besides Sidious, Yoda, The Skywalkers, The Mereks, And The Solos under Leias line and a few others Dooku inspite of not having as much potential as those few characters I happened to comment about in the latter part of the section his mastery of the force even as Jedi Master before, during, and after TPM Saga and beyond was high enough to be second only to Yoda in the lightside which says a lot because Yoda has way more experience yet Dooku was still a close second yeah.

[@fdjtron1732]

In Legends continuity Sidious was tier above Dooku in terms of lightsaber combat

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@fdjtron1732 Yes in some books, but also not really. Plagueis made it clear that he saw Dooku as the superior swordsman to Sidious and himself. Yes, he and Sidious ascribed to the "lightsaber is a Jedi's weapon and crutch," but it doesn't change his appraisal. "Darth Plagueis" is really the last really good source on the topic of the relative strengths of the top Jedi and the Sith in those 10 years before TPM that Lucasfilm put out before Disney purged many of the novels to the non-canon ranks. We tend to draw more from the novels than other written materials or guides or people creating lists out of a vacuum for the same reason why encyclopedias are not proper sources for proper scholarship.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@matthewmann8969 Exactly. Potential is not enough. Hard work and application is important. While he was a Jedi Dooku was constantly studying. Constantly learning. He was a bookworm as well as a beau sabreur.

[@fdjtron1732]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 it doesn't change anything. Jedi and sith are always improving, Dooku could be a better duelist during TPM, but Sidious was superior to him at the time of ROTS.

[@richv1893]

A master should never teach an apprentice everything they need to know as there will come a time when they will try to use that knowledge against their master far better to teach enough to keep them loyal and useful until they are no longer needed or necessary as Dooku had become.

[@nonames2880]

That goes against the rule of two. Where the master is supposed to teach everything to the apprentice so become stronger then the master

[@permeus2nd]

I'm my opinion Legends continuity still stands until such a time that we get new content that replaces or contradicts it. This means that at the moment Dooku's training in Legends also happened in Disney as we saw it in Legends.

[@Tyrosine0910]

if steven hocking was so smart y he couldn't walk

[@sndsunderstagel3114]

G man

[@Syphonfllter]

Lol...

[@eveningstar4543]

I actually like Dooku's turn in Legends more than Anakin's fall to the darkside.

[@fappingfoopa]

Bro i love you

[@jonbw12]

I think that Star Wars should fill the void before the phantom meance and the before clone wars. The rise of Palpatine, his master, count Dooku, his fall, syfo Dyias etc.

[@a.nonymous2089]

It would be kind of tough, because all the actors are too old now or dead.

[@jonbw12]

@@a.nonymous2089 not really as they are prequels which means they would be younger. Recast for younger actors

[@a.nonymous2089]

@@jonbw12 Well, um ... duh. But c'mon, dude. who could replace Christopher Lee or The Great Ian McDiarmid???

[@Xyma-YT]

He wanted Anakin all along, so Dooku was just a Tool for the Clone Wars ; plus he needed an apprentice for the time being...

[@SevereWeatherCenter]

Awesome video! Love it First

[@Idkidkidk716]

I always wondered why count dooku never had yellow eyes and maul did I always wondered how sith choose their names as well anyone have the answer?

[@Gor85]

Sidious tought Dooku basic dark side techiques. Some philosophy,teachings. Basics. It's'extremelly smart of Sidious to do this. He didn't reveal Dooku everything. He didn't want him to become more powerful. He feared Dooku. His power. Dooku was immensely powerful Jedi,and extremely smart. I think Labyrinth of Evil is canon. May the Force be with you too😊

[@matthewmann8969]

But Dooku never had the potential to surpass Sidious power wise in Legends even if Dookus potential was higher then Mace, Plagueis And Mauls it was still like one hundred points below Yodas he did not have near Sids potential like Yoda did nor did he have Sidious potent like Galen Merek/Starkiller did nor above Sids count like The Skywalkers And Leia offpsringer Solos yeah.

[@Gor85]

@@matthewmann8969 good point. Thanks :)

[@tompearce5418]

Sidious never saw Dooku as anything more than a useful tool.

[@westongarner-qo2ez]

1000th like!!!👍 Awesome video!!!🤘

[@InfiniteNaos]

Dooku was already an established master and a fine one at that. Plus he was always to be a placeholder for Anakin whom was the true prize.

[@detroitpolak9904]

The Works is to Coruscant what Leakin Park is to Baltimore .

[@Amadeus8484]

Didn't Palpatine already plan on having Anakin as his apprentice the moment he found out that Anakin shot down a Droid Control ship?

[@nevasoba5953]

I really enjoyed this book

[@G31M1]

I really like Count Dooku as a character!

[@JBFranny]

Damn. The more I think about it the more I realize a lot of stuff happened because of fear...

[@BeastFanatic101]

Still seems like he taught him more then maul

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends Maul was well versed in the dark side but not even close to the level of Sidious, Plagueis, Dooku be it as a Jedi Or Sith, Or Anakin/Vader yeah.

[@thomasa8814]

Count Dooku took a doodoo on his jedi teachings

[@fireheist6603]

Emperor Duku sounds just right

[@heltongomez8865]

Dooku was a master before turning to the dark side so once he turned, he was already independent enough to study the dark side and the sith on his own. He improved so much to the point he dueled Yoda head to head in lightsaber combat, which is something Palpatine didn't do in episode 3. So, Dooku was a powerhouse on his own right. Stop this bullshit about Dooku not being too deep in the dark side. He was even much more knowledgeable than Maul ever was. Dooku was extremely smart and his mindset put him above any average jedi or force user.

[@matthewmann8969]

Dooku even before leaving the order had more knowledge, mastery, education, powers at his disposal, raw power, and potential then Maul did even before Maul got defeated in Legends EU not going along with CGI TCW Nor Its Plug ins yeah.

[@starc.]

the only adversary to palpetine really in that time same type of dude

[@arthurbrax6561]

can't believe it was Dooku that took out Yaddle what, and Yoda never figured it out until Attack of the Clones movie

[@0errab0]

Dooku always felt shoehorned into Attack of the Clones IMO. Also Dooku's motives never really aligned with his actions. Dooku left the Order because he felt that the Jedi should not be on call to the Growingly ever corrupted Senate and Republic. Dooku then aligns himself with the very person that injected the Corruption into Senate and Republic! The Character of Dooku was Masterfully portrayed by Christopher Lee but (in the films ) the Character always felt like a place holder (not for Vader).

[@lioubastoupakova3770]

It still shocks me that dooku is older than palpatine

[@johnturrentine7577]

What Dooku could do? What could Dooku do?

[@williebanks1545]

Palpatine never trained any of them but a bit. He himself was pretty much self trained

[@shadowbeast2276]

Dooku was just a means to an end to sidious

[@davideluciano7761]

This will awesome to sith his trainings

[@adamderrick2277]

Does being second make me the apprentice?

[@johnhorton4436]

Dooku and Sidious as well as Yoda and Mace windu at There Maximum Potential would Probably be the only Rivals to Anakins Full Potential if Barely Experience Factoring into this For Obvious Reasons

[@Artist19]

Considering what we know about Sidious he doomed the Sith similar to Darth Krayt. If the Sith were to survive he needed to pass on what he knew to Vader. I wonder whose methodology held out the best in terms of the Sith when you compare them all. I see the value of the rule of two but if ever the master either dies or turns to the light the line fails. The Sith having numbers they result in fighting and become weaker due to masters withholding power and abilities being lost. This does make me want to play SWTOR.

[@robertagu5533]

Dooku being a very rare an rarer on top of it distinguished on several ways Disgruntled Jedi Master. There couldn't be THAT much Palpatine could train him in an with. Not to mention by any standards Dooku wasnt exactly in physical shape anymore in intensive training anyways. Not really needing it either being combat legendary already an having lil use for it. An this is glossing over the obvious that one only invests in something... or someone temporary only as much as needed. Not to mention if he was to succeed in the "Trojan " strategm Dooku NEVER originally intended to ne a dark High lord either way anyways ironically

[@MikeChamp]

How old was Sidious when he showed himself to Dooku? And how old was Dooku?

[@michaelverdon7252]

This video proves that each Jedi and each Sith are human and individualistic

[@michaelverdon7252]

On a side note I feel like Star Wars is very detailed and deep and because of that sometimes hard to understand and process but I’m just saying

[@TheChef420]

Maul is the only one that sidious trained for real

[@jakeusaf9401]

He Knew force lighting. I don't thinks that's just a little.

[@andrefigueredo34]

Plagueis couldn't see the future as well as Tenebrous and he only perfected his greatest ability of midichlorian manipulation when his master died even after decades of training under him. Sidious also said that he kept Plagueis alive so that he could learn as much as he could and in the end he didn't achieve the same level of midichlorian manipulation. Every sith must follow their own path and even if they have access to knowledge there is no guarantee they will learn.

[@odinCalaberra]

Dooku was a sith lord, he was trained a lot, maximum if you ask me.

[@myqwesley103]

Take a shot every time you hear "intoxicated "

[@adambouaddaine9064]

I can back that. Second here

[@okamireader5]

It duzent surprise me in the slightest. Sidious played Dooku for a fool from the very beginning. With the loss of his first apprentice, Maul, and with the prize prospective pupil in Anakin Skywalker being too young at the time, Sidious needed a capable agent to serve as his "student" until the time was right. Dooku was indeed a Dark Lord of the Sith, but he was never meant to be the Dark Lord _and_ Master. He was only ever a placeholder and eventually a patsy to be the "fall guy" along with the rest of the Jedi Order once Sidious gave the order for the clones to execute Order 66 So he baited Dooku, giving him a taste of the true power of the Dark Side and then stoked the flames of passion and rage that spurred Dooku towards the goal of correcting the galaxy and the Force itself. It was enough, and Dooku fell for it all, hook, line and sinker. Twice he considered overthrowing his master with an apprentice of his own, but Ventress and Savage both turned out to be lost causes, and so Dooku tried instead to secure his place in Sidious's grand scheme, but his place had never been anything more than a pawn. A useful pawn, but a pawn nonetheless, and he didn't realize that until it was far too late, when Sidious, as Palpatine, gave Anakin the order to kill Dooku, and that moment of realization left Dooku so speechless and shaken that he couldn't utter so much as a single word before Anakin took his head

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends not Canon Maul was not meant to ever be more then a tool to Sidious either based on most statements even before the discovery of Dooku And Anakin Maul was meant to be a valuable attack dog although a more favored one compared to Asajj, Grievous, Durge, Quinlan, and others Sids had Dooku in mind even before Maul got defeated on Naboo to be at his side most likely demoting Maul to a lower rank and promoting Dooku to a higher rank after all in Legends according to Plagueis Dooku had a higher potential then Maul did as well as a similar background to his and a high IQ and was known to be a masterful duelist with the force and lightsaber combat being a close second to Yoda with the force and a close second to Yoda with a blade with Mace either being Dookus equal or slight inferior in TPM Era. Think about it Yoda saw greater potential in Dooku then he did in Mace which is one of the reasons Yoda took Dooku as his final student and not Mace while Anakin was despite his higher potential then Yodas own was too old when he went to the order. Also Plagueis saw Maul as only a skilled and powerful assassin while he saw Dooku who was still a Jedi at the time as a insurance apprentice if Sidious was either crippled badly, imprisoned in a high tech high profiled Jedi Prison, Or Killed outright so that shows that while Plagueis saw Sids as having more potential then Dooku as long as none of those things happened to Sids he saw Dooku as having more potency then Maul as long as Dooku did not either become handicapped hugely, imprisoned in a Jedi Holding High Radar Cell, Or Died. So Dookus midichlorian count was pretty high based off the words of Yoda, Plagueis, And even Sidious not saying Mauls wasn't but Dookus was on another level yeah.

[@kingshadow8782]

LFG.

[@i-thalhawkins9813]

Even though the count was a more complete fourth wilder !? The hole’s in my childhood He was a better than the emperor

[@user-bean-ys8uz9fz4x]

i do think that sidious training dooku so little in the dark side is only true in disney canon

[@jimsalmon5158]

Legends = Not Disney Approved

[@murrayshekelberg9754]

"legends" continuity is just Star Wars continuity. I don't think many star wars fans subscribe to the disney star wars continuity. disney is low effort fan fiction made to generate fast revenue. Not sure why we constantly have to be hit over the head with the disney made "legends" label

[@heyguys1685]

As stingy as sith masters are with their knowledge of the dark-side, it’s a wonder the sith hadn’t depleted their own power and knowledge over time

[@javiermauricio8377]

I mean, what training could Dooku pissibly need form Palpatine? True Palpatine was strong, but besides immortality, I doubt Palpatine had a lot to teach Dooku

[@dovleac]

I doubt Sidious feared Dooku. By that point I think Sidious already had the rule of One in mind.

[@jolyonyates3898]

Dooku was ultimately just a tool. He wasn't as strong as Yoda or Sidious. Dooku was to be the leader of the Separatists, a bad Jedi for the Emperor's PR reasons and then destroyed when Anakin was ready to be a Sith and the Separatists had served their purpose.

[@SC0TSMAN77]

You said Anakin turned to the dark side to save the galaxy!?🤦🏻‍♂️ He did it for nothing but selfish reasons imo!✌🏻

[@frankdees507]

Obvious. He wants no one as powerful as himself 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 299 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@Lifeisgood86]

I do not care what anyone and especially what Disney says. Legends continuity is, was, and always will be cannon. Disney has no right to dictate what is and isn’t cannon. George Lucas created Star Wars and only he can decide. Since he didn’t really care that means all legends continuity is cannon. Please don’t placate to Disney. Just because they “own” it now doesn’t mean they really own it.

[@jpjpjp6328]

Legends IS Canon. Disney is dismal.

[@amnorela]

The reality is that by the special editions the original star wars was too good and he needed to downgrade the movie a little bit to make empire strikes back look better. He did this by adding terrible scenes, ruining iconic ones and destroying the coloring. Before 1997 most people only proffered the original star wars and now its the other way around, and you have a trilogy now that peaks in the middle, which is better for the series as a whole.

[@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688]

Holding back information, skills and abilities is what all True Sith Masters do. That's part of being a Sith Master. So what are you talking about? It's the Duty of a Sith Apprentice under The Rule Of 2 to learn just enough to be a Sith, then somehow kill their Master to become the Master and create their own New Abilities plus take on their own Apprentice. On the other hand it's the Duty Of A Sith Master to hold their Apprentice back and only teach the Apprentice enough to be a True Sith, but never the New Abilities they came up with themselves because they won't be killed by their Apprentice. It's also their duty to upgrade to another Sith Apprentice if one come along more powerful then the one they have. So Plagueis held abilities and information back from Sidious no different than Plagueis Master done to him. The True Jedi Knights is the ones who teach their Padawans everything they know in hope they one day surpass them

[@johndanvers2379]

I don't think Dooku ever became a true Sith. He used the dark side but his intentions were quite noble, he saw the corruption of the Republic and wanted to change it.

[@matthewmann8969]

So he was like Revan And Traya in that sense yeah.

[@avernvrey7422]

Palpatine, just wasn't a very good Rule of 2er...

[@arronfrazier7873]

It truly lets you know that Pelagius and Sidious were fearful of training certain Jedi. They had been working on Dooku for 10 or more years prior to Phantom Menace. Dooku was already growing weary with the Jedi and them being lap dogs of the Republic Senate and not serving the people in the galaxy. The fact is Dooku, Maul and Anakin were all easily manipulated by Pelagius and Sidious! They would never try to turn Yoda! He was to old, to powerful and not easily manipulated. The same goes for Windu. Windu would have been the logic choice! However, Windu was to powerful too and you couldn't manipulate Windu like they did Dooku, Maul and Anakin. Windu quickly after embracing the darkside, he would be able to be controlled by them. It would only a matter of time, Windu would be trying to kill Sidious!

[@dreadrath]

Pretty much. Yoda and Windu were so steeped in Jedi dogma that it was basically impossible to turn them. Though if I had to choose who'd be easier to turn between Yoda and Windu, I think Windu, with some carefully plotted incentives, could have been turned, but its still pretty unlikely. Its kinda sunny that the one's who were most aware of the jedi order's worst flaws were the easiest to turn. Fanatical blind faith is its own weird kind of strength.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@dreadrathAnd Dooku had the third highest potential in the order by TPM Circa only behind Anakin And Yoda while Maces potential is not too far from Dookus yeah.

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@dreadrath Anakin and Dooku also were the most easily manipulated and naive! You can call it Jedi dogma all you want too! It didn't have reign of terror for 20 plus years and blow up Alderan!

[@dane3038]

Naw, Dooku was never going to be a rival to Sid. Dooku was maybe the best duelist of his time but Sidious cut down four of the very best like carving a cake. No threat at all.

[@matthewmann8969]

Sidious was only able to cut down Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, And Sensae Tin he would not be able to do that to Yoda, Dooku, Mace, Or even Anakin yeah.

[@ethanlee7125]

You need to pause between sentences, slowdown and shallow your saliva , drink some water before you speak

[@idcyco3623]

When an institution can only require two members so as to not to dilute the power structure. You really ought to know that you're Expendable pretty much always when you're the second of that Duo. The emphasis that the Sith place on passion quickly turns Rancid. The cons far outweigh the pros for the long-term and especially do not focus on the greater good. But then again why would a Sith care about such things? They're selfish.

[@Voidliife]

Labyrinth of Evil is Canon. F*ck Disney, they haven't earned the right to pick and choose what they see fit.