Why People Are Wrong About the Panasonic S1 for Video

[@FKfilmphotography]

99% of the cameras on the market are better than the users who own them. Way too much number and spec wars between folk who should focus on becoming better at the art of shooting rather than gear experts.

[@DonFather]

Camera companies have figured out that focusing consumers on the shortcomings of technology instead of their own abilities is much more palatable & profitable.

[@jan.tichavsky]

They may be packed with features but they also lack the basic package together and they lack the modern processing found in every smartphone today. I'm looking for few simple specs: 1) big sensor and fast lens for low noise in low light (shooting on the streets at night), 2) 4K 60p for good quality, future proof high resolution with smooth motion capture, 3) stabilization for handheld shooting. Right now I can get some of those but not all and the best options are still quite expensive as here with the 50mm f/1.4. Panasonic has big sensor but crops in 60p. Fujifilm crops much less but has no IBIS and the lenses aren't that fast or stabilized either. Of course if you don't need video and don't print large you can use 20 year old DSLR and you'll have still fine images for web use but that's not what we are for, right?

[@andrewmcgregor3255]

Well said.

[@sunnykiri3]

God bless you

[@ThePrimordialChronicles]

Ferhan Khan Photography Yup,most of people shoot stuff that is just bad but they still put it out

[@geraldundone]

Balanced and informative (as usual). You've got a well-established knack for providing these kinds of counterpoints and I enjoy every minute of it! Also, while writing this I just heard you shout me out! Thanks so much, Caleb. You da best! Too kind. 💗😃🙏

[@dslrvideoshooter]

It was well earned! The internet is lucky to have your brain plugged into KZbin!

[@SafetySolutionsAc]

Gerald Undone well deserved shout out. Both of you guys provide rational thoughts in a sea of click bait. Thanks for that! I feel like two things are holding me back from a pre purchase: 1- lenses. I am. I’m not super fired up about making the switch to FF from my gh5 and basically keeping the same bokeh or even less... running any of the fast lenses on the gh5 I’m able to get a FF 2.8 look. Moving to a FF f4 look doesn’t seem like an upgrade... now, wham sigma drops a 24mm F1.4 my attention will officially be grabbed. This seems like a timing issue and it’s unfortunate that Sigma isn’t able to have these lenses ready to go in April. Maybe this is an agreement between pana Leica and sigma. Maybe this is a camera conspiracy... 2- auto focus. My GH5 is totally workable, but I wish that it was better. I would love to see the af functional in VFR. For the work I do 120af would be super helpful... I think pana is making an error releasing the camera in the same manner as the gh5 with major upgrades needed at release to meet the promised expectation. I think eventually they delivered, but I think the initial letdown is hard on the brand. I’m pretty sure the a7iii will do what I need, just wish the 120 was higher quality in fact all the video... All I want is the perfect camera...

[@ctrice]

Whatttt's happeeeeningggg!!!!

[@brynocerouss]

two of my favorite youtubers being nice to each other - what a time to be alive!

[@praveensemwal5949]

Sir Can you tell me what does 4:2:2and 4:2:0 is

[@GermanViking]

People get crazy with specs and numbers... The image quality of the GH5S is absolutely stunning for the price, So I think the S1 will produce an Image quality that is worth the price.

[@Gablarkin]

The dynamic range will change the game for the S1 compare to GH5s I think

[@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995]

the weight however I worry about it. Ibis or no ibis full frame S1, if you have mussle fatigue, no shot will be great until you have the gh5 and a light and fast mft lens .. I allready experienced problems with a sigma lens, speedbooster and gh5. And this makes me think about a shoulder camera. Expensive, horrible outpriced camera's with outdated sensors and limited feature set, not the best IQ at least under 10 000, but you get a compact working sollution for making video's with audio and the perception of people that you are or could be professional.

[@JacobBeemer]

Agree, we are living in beautiful times. the GH5s has been a workhorse for us this past 12 months. Yum yum

[@Chilupiano]

It really annoys me that a company would charge for “future features “ in a firmware update. It’s just simple thievery. I understand firmwares usually improve the camera but this is just unlocking features the camera hardware is already capable off. ... Charge me a little more at purchase but then quit charging me

[@YoungBlaze]

Its like the video game industry, you buy then only to have to buy the dlc, then buy a dlc costume, then next thing you know, you have to pay for dlc start button

[@omar_b_here]

Because not everyone needs the firmware

[@lessemo]

@@YoungBlaze *EA games wants to know your location*

[@YoungBlaze]

@@lessemo Tell em , pull up.... i got stock on Take2interactive

[@Chilupiano]

@@YoungBlaze and that makes it right? the game industry hes de-evolved into "oh lets make shiney grafix "items"--cough loot-- so we can charge micro transactions for years and years...cough..activision/blizzard

[@InvisibleJiuJitsu]

Remember 3 years ago when sony had no lenses and they couldn't autofocus for shit?? Now they're hailed as top dog. It's as if people think panasonic in partnership with sigma wont do any development at all. Sure, they don't have all the answers right now, but I'm excited for the future of a company like panasonic with a history of listening to customers needs

[@danalarson9533]

The S1 is a very exciting camera to me and I'm surprised by the negative reaction to it. I'll probably wait until the lens situation gets better, though.

[@samphotoyt]

That pretty much sums it up. It has the potential to be an exciting camera, someday, some time, maybe once lenses come out and 2-3 firmware updates happen. Hardly a winning formula to sell a new camera.

[@PeterMKent]

Sigma makes their L-mount announcement at the end of the month.

[@TerenceKearns]

Apparently, their lenses are very sharp. People grabbing this camera, it's not likely that this will be their first and only camera. So not every lens option is needed. 3 is enough to get started although they are quite expensive. You'd have to be quite a successful professional to justify the experiment. If they have an exotic lens requirement, they probably already have the solution in one of their other camera bodies.

[@neotheek]

technically you are no longer a dslr video shooter

[@YoungBlaze]

Facts

[@tomgosy]

He should change his channel name

[@Shadaole]

😂😂😂😂

[@VoicesofMusic]

10 bit in HLG mode. AF not great. Low light very nice.

[@spensersakurai]

Full Frame 10 bit sounds good to me but can't make everyone happy.

[@clarkunderwood]

Been digging your channel!

[@imabigsandwich1292]

when it's only 150mbps i really doubt that it properly resolve 10bit and vlog, a lot of people are reporting problems even with vlog l, so i'm worried.

[@CaesperRSA]

@@imabigsandwich1292 You're right, bit depth and color subsampling aren't everything (don't get me wrong, they're important) higher bitrate is as important if not more, especially when working with log.

[@imabigsandwich1292]

@@CaesperRSA yep, quite dissapointed that panasonic didn't give us 400mbps all I.

[@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995]

@@imabigsandwich1292 I don't really see a big advantage when shooting 400mbps with GH5, other then better playback on low spec macs. In fact a 400mbps h265 GOP codec would be so much better for grading. But maybe this new s1 camera has beautifull colors native, and then you don't need to shoot in log. Maybe then the 150mbs is enough. Better to have 10)bit or 12 bit clean hdmi output in 4k and prores raw compatibility with atomos devices. That would be great

[@MrBobthened]

the advantage of the tilty-uppy screen over the flippy-outy screen is that you can tilt the screen upwards (for waist-level shooting) without it sticking awkwardly out of the side of the camera

[@jordan.rushing]

I think it's a good first step for Panasonic FF. But I think people are upset, myself included, that we were really hoping for 4k60p without crop at 10 4:2:2. Now if they're able to do that with their paid update, that would be a very worthwhile upgrade imho and would make me highly interested in this if a7siii never comes out. That being said, I do also agree that the focus issue is huge and Canon & Sony have much better currently. Whether this is an "early version" or not, I am surprised that they would have this displayed this camera with such a bad auto focus if they plan on making a major over haul to it. Meaning I don't see a major update by the time this camera is released, maybe also in a future update? Idk, my eyes are still firmly waiting on the A7siii, meanwhile I'll keep shooting on my T7i and just upressing to 4k so I can shoot at 60fps, even if it is 8 bit.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

it's a good camera for like 3000 people who use a sony fs7 and a canon 1dx...

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Yeah without the upgrade this camera isn't very exciting.

[@PeterMKent]

Yeah that was the deal breaker for me. I needed at least internal 10-bit 4K60, I would even have accepted it in 4:2:0 with the APS-C crop.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

@@dslrvideoshooter honestly caleb... i waited 6 months for this $6000 Panasonic "without compromise" camera. after all was said and done up here in canada, the bill was just too high; what with the unknown upgrade cost and the go-leica or go-home lens options... that and the kit lens is too soft, certainly not anything as fun for manual focus when compared with the fuji offerings, for whatever it is worth. fingers crossed for raw support or 150mbps 4:2:2 10 bit internal on the fuji... but i am happy with the option to wait without much investment while the full frame war slogs forward into short-sighted oblivion... with the 26800 mah battery pack strapped to my fuji X-T3, i can shoot for 5 hours continuous with the ronin and my arms won't fall off... what's wrong with them apples?

[@TOKYObrah]

Panasonic S1 has a 1.5x crop on 4K 60p. GH5s + Speedbooster XL is a (1.75 x .64) 1.12x crop on 4K 60p and no record limit

[@deverenfogle3201]

Me all day long! +1

[@Falkenroth1]

Bingo

[@PeterMKent]

Exactly and that's just the beginning of the issues I have with the S1.

[@walrusgumboot]

TOKYObrah S1R has me interested, 1.09x crop in 4k60p. Just 15 min rec limit but not an issue for me

[@adrianpocea2287]

Also no ibis, almost useless for photography, and slightly weaker in low light and dr

[@warpacademy]

Is it true that the S1 crops the sensor for all video? I believe the S1R reads the full sensor for video. I'm looking at it for video only, and if it can't shoot video reading the full sensor then it's a waste for me.

[@walrusgumboot]

No, only for 4K60p. 24-30 is full sensor

[@AyechinoProd]

There are way too many 'tech reviewers' and spec junkies worrying about the gear they have no business owning. Honestly, if you're not a running a film/photo business or freelancer then you shouldn't even be watching this video... To any experienced shooter, this camera will get the job done and can easily afford the firmware upgrades.

[@benarnoux]

Is it bad that I liked before starting? Prove me wrong, lol. 🤣🤣

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I don't think its bad! I may be a little biased though ;-)

[@benarnoux]

DSLR Video Shooter I guess I just like that I will always learn something from your videos.

[@QbaNH]

did the same xD

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

Good stuff as always; I think the S1 will do well and grow in maturity via firmware pushes just like the GH5 did. They definitely need to circle back to those lens prices though, that's just outrageous.

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I forgot to mention, but I wonder if the price is high due to some kind of Leica licensing fee.

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

@@dslrvideoshooter I'm leaning toward a similar conclusion. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that 'one' of the L-Mount Alliance players only joined after the other two agreed to follow some specific price bracket or range. If Sigma's S1 glass gets a price-point between the other two; then I'd definitely say Leica is running that show.

[@deverenfogle3201]

The GH5 was killer out of the box. It was only later that the AF debacle happened. But even with that, it was still the best mirrorless video camera, by far. This S1 doesn't even rival it's stablemates, for a much higher price tag with so few available lenses, etc. I feel there will be significant discounts before the holidays to move some of these units, especially if the lenses don't come soon enough. Perhaps, Panny themselves should put out a Canon to L-mount adapter to steal any disgruntled Canon users, that may help.

[@ThirdCoastCrypto]

I agree with you on most all of that. I'm not sold on the S1 and definitely dont have plans to buy it, but I do think we should take a step back and just remember that we haven't seen a product yet; just PR and info on its current specs. It definitely does look like just another "Hey, us too!!" camera to compete with the EOS R, the Z6, and etc.

[@benc8424]

1. Not enough Video features - Update is coming in future 2. Bad Af - it will improve over time 3. Lenses only pricey choices - going to change over time Seems to me you're expecting a lot but for me it's just not the right camera yet... maybe next year it will be a better camera but by then Sony a7siii will be hopefully out.

[@Reyfox1]

He didn't say "bad auto focus", just maybe not up to Canon (no one matches them) or Sony. Look at Sony FF mirrorless when it was released. Everyone panned them for not having lenses, blah blah blah. Look at them now.

[@dslrvideoshooter]

I do expect a lot. But if you look at Panasonic's camera and firmware timeline, they do add a ton of features over the life of a product.

[@benc8424]

@@dslrvideoshooter yeah, I'm sure it's getting better but right now I wouldn't buy it. In my opinion wait for Sony a7siii.

[@samphotoyt]

@@dslrvideoshooter Okay, that is true but don't you ever ask yourself why? Why don't they just get it closer to start with, not a year after it comes out?

[@JoeyTecuani]

Ben C a7s ii won’t compare 🤣🤣

[@newfoundmass]

The issue is that it feels like Panasonic is trying to entice video shooters with a camera that wasn't made with them in mind. They're marketing it much the same way they did the GH5, right down to giving Griffin Hammond one to make a documentary with, but as you said it's not a GH5 and it's not comparable. That they're then adding what is essentially a video tax to get features that should be in it for the $2500 they're asking for, to me, is even more annoying. I really wanted to like it, I'm a Panasonic shooter, but I think most criticism is valid.

[@deverenfogle3201]

Indeed, I really want to like this camera, as well as the S1R. I was even going to be an early adopter, all they needed to do was release something decent, and the money was their's. It's funny that the release actually stopped me in my tracks from ordering it. Now I'm really trying to find a reason to buy it, but the GH5/GH5s are simply better video cameras - full stop. I can already use my current speedboosters for similar dof, etc, etc. The gradeability will also make the picture out of the the GH5s better. For video, FF only really gives an advantage at dof at this point.

[@newfoundmass]

@@deverenfogle3201 agreed. And Sony is likely to announce the A7sIII soon, which will likely have a lot of these features and then some, for a comparable price. I'm a loyal GH5 user, and I don't plan to going to full frame yet, but honestly, if I were I'd have to lean towards Sony even though I don't like Sony's color science.

[@deverenfogle3201]

@@newfoundmass Yeah, Sony's colors are horrendous. Especially for video, and their low bitrate, it's impossible to get good colors out of them. IMHO

[@PeterMKent]

@@deverenfogle3201 Same here, looked forward to buying this on launch like I did the G85 and GH5. Planned on replacing my A7 III and GH5 to get photos and video in one package along with better 4K60 but not only do I see no improvement over the GH5+Speed booster and A7 III setup but I'd be getting less video features and performance even after paying extra for a firmware update some time in the future.

[@GeorgeNiksch]

I'm excited for the S1, but as a GH5s shooter I am likely going to wait for the 10-bit update before I pull the trigger. Do you think Panasonic will release a more video focused full frame in the future?

[@PostColorGear]

I personally am looking more and more at Panasonic. Don't get me wrong, at one point, I was very impressed with what Sony was putting in their cameras. And their eye AF is amazing. But yes, as you said, between the 100mbps cap, the 4k (NOT 60fps), among other specs...Panasonic really is doing almost a better job of giving "video people" what they want. I understand that people love love love the phase detect autofocus, and it's great for video when vlogging, but for me personally......meh :)

[@dslrvideoshooter]

If Sony plays ball well with the A7sIII the S1 is in big trouble.

[@After.Photographer]

SONY don't have 10 bit 422 so far (A7 A9 a6xxx series) , not even through HDMI. Very curious if A7S3 could be their first one.

[@tyronnezx]

@@dslrvideoshooter But this is the first generation of Panasonic fullframes. The next range will rectify what is missing in S1 and the S1R and Sony will get in big trouble

[@punkrachmaninoff]

who has the pipes though? not everyone has those pipes, caleb... 💪📷 buying the fuji X-T3 today instead.

[@leecason9468]

Make sure you get capture one as well. Lightroom can't resolve all the detail on the xt3 and adds artifacts to it.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

@@leecason9468ok pal.

[@PeterMKent]

I like everything about this camera except that Panasonic is holding back features (even if they plan to charge extra for them later) and that they have not improved the major issues of their 2 year old GH5. It's maximum price gouging for minimum effort. Panasonic needs to drop the price or provide something more than recycled features in a bloated GH5. Why is AF still unreliable, why is 10-bit 4K60 still external, why is 4K60 cropped to the size of a GH5+Speed booster, why no anamorphic mode, why does the dynamic look like 10-stops, and why does the image get softer very stop over ISO 3200? I know the S1 will excel in other areas compared to the GH5 but these features are the ones I use the most and I don't see any improvements in those areas. 14-stops of Dynamic Range with V-Log is the only thing that sounds great so far but unless they add 12 or 14-bit Raw we'll be squeezing that into a highly compressed 10-bit codec. Isn't that what Sony tried to do with S-Log 3? I hope the Production models show much better results for AF, Noise and Dynamic Range for video because everything I've seen so far doesn't look any better than a GH5.

[@arda_]

I mean it will have the edge on Sony on 4K 30p after getting a PAID update, after an UNKNOWN amount of time. Meanwhile, the A7iii is almost a one year old camera, offering full frame 4k at 500$ cheaper(without calculating any discounts mind you). I am glad Panasonic is making full frame cameras now but a7 easily beats this in value imo. What I find interesting is the Full HD capabilities. If they can make stellar full hd video that can attract some people.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Given my love and great experience with my GH5, I am definitely interested in the S1. Regarding specs, the S1 has not been released. So, there will be features that won't appear or be announced until the S1 is released and after release. I like seeing pre-launch videos for upcoming cameras, but, I don't base my purchase decisions on these videos. What bugs me is when a YT creator makes conclusions about a camera before it's even been released. I get that they want to create content. But, don't make absolutist judgments until you have the final product in your hand. (EDIT: I think it's erroneous to put the Sony A7III above the S1. For one, the A7III does not shoot 10-bit. A huge difference for professionals, not vloggers. The A7III is a vloggers camera, in my opinion, not a camera I would consider for filmmaking given its 8-bit limitation.)

[@MM-gx8fd]

10 bit is not all that matters. Doesn't matter how good your colors are or if you are shooting 8k if your video is out of focus, and is constantly pulsing in and out of focus.

[@TalKissos]

Dr Exclusive with that logic, an alexa is useless without autofocus

[@Marticulate]

If you want KZbin babies jumping the gun, look at Tony Northrup bad mouth this camera without even holding it. Read the aptly ferocious commentary too. Worth a laugh.

[@chriseyrewalker]

Packed full of awesome and interesting information as always. Nice job Caleb!

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Thanks Chris!!!

[@TheCrowleyCrew]

I also wonder if sensors that have phase detect on the sensor produce more heat. I also wonder if that is one reason Canon crops their 4k. We don't know how much heat the dual pixel AF creates and the only non cropped 4k cameras are in massive cinema cameras that have better heat dispersion.

[@avarmadillo]

Kaleb, I posted this on Gordon Laing's video review of the S1 he just made a few days ago. I'd be interested in your comments on my response to the review in regard to S1 peaking feature. Not to beat a dead horse, but to drive a point home to at least my satisfaction I set up a peaking test. I used the Panasonic S1, the Panasonic GH5, the Panasonic G85, the Nikon Z6, and the Fujifilm X-H1, all using third party lenses. With the GH5, G85, the Z6, and the X-H1 there was absolutely no change in the quality and intensity of the peaking settings between using peaking to set the focus up and after the camera started rolling. Sadly, after checking BOTH the EVF and the LCD of the S1 both showed a diminishment in the quality and intensity of peaking once the shot was rolling. This diminishment is SIGNIFICANT, at least on my S1---I'd say at 70% or more %% drop--sometimes very difficult to see, especially on the EVF. The effect of this is that if you change the focus to another object while rolling you either focus past it before you see it, or you focus past it because you're not sure if your focus is not quite right---and most often it isn't. How do I know that? Because if I stop the shot after shifting focus the original quality and intensity immediately appear. When that happens I find the focus I ended up with was not accurate. Either not focusing far enough, or focusing past the object you are simply guessing. It seems to me the peaking feature of the S1 is calibrated to be its best, most viewable, and most accurate before the shutter is pressed with a SIGNIFICANT drop off once you start rolling. Why? This is not the case with the other four cameras I tested---and two of them were Panasonics. The peaking of the GH5 and the G85 are just...okay ....But they are stable before and after the shot is made, and pretty accurate. The Nikon is excellent---very easy to use and accurate. Even the gosh-awful Sony peaking is better than the S1---and I didn't think it was possible that anyone could have worse peaking than Sony. (Silly me). By a hair I think the Fuji X-H1 is best, clean, easy to see without obscuring the shot, and very accurate. The Fuji folks have done it right---and they keep making the X-H1 and X-T3 better. Will someone with some contacts or influence pass this on to the Panasonic people. Maybe they know and don't care. Maybe it was done intentionally for reasons I can in no way surmise. Nikon has done a few analogous things on the Z6, but nothing as egregious as the S1 peaking problem.

[@clifftotten7609]

Atomos is telling us that the S1's HDMI out of the box WILL have 10bit output enabled. They will also give us HLG gamma curve in 10bit. So, if Atomos is correct, we WILL be able to record 10bit, 4:2:2 to an external recorder with HLG. Caleb,...are you saying this is not correct and that the HDMI will be locked at 8 bit only out of the box?

[@TheNinjaDC]

Honestly, the camera is disappointing, and I think I know why. People expected Panasonic to launch guns a blazing, with features & support comparable to third gen Sony cameras. Instead, we got a first gen camera(s), with overpriced lenses (they partnered with Leica, so... yeah. Not surprising). Essentially, Panasonic launched an A7, when people were expecting an A7siii. Their third gen S1 should be good though.

[@m0nztam0nk]

i get that we wanna be realistic, but not 4k60 in full-frame is such a huge disapointment. I dont care whatever explanation is behind this. With such a huge body, they should at least be able to give out 422 4k60 with NO Crop externally. But as is, its a huge disapointment, no matter why it may be. Why the heck dont make a FF 16megapixel camera and do a clean 5k downsample to full-frame 4k60. I guess they run into the same issue as canon, trying to protect their higher end Cinema cameras (looking at you eva 1!). The only 2 Manufacturers that really try to go all in are Fuji and Nikon. Oh, they dont have higher end video-offerings to protect...hmm... sorry if i sound salty, but im so disapointed with this... :(

[@TerenceKearns]

The most underrated camera of 2018 was the G9. I think it was overlooked because nobody seems to care about stills anymore and it was a true hybrid. I think the S1 cameras are basically the G9 version 2 with a huge FF sensor. It has some of the limitations of the G9 for video but with the paid firmware update (when it comes), it will pull way ahead of the G9 for video. What the hell are people complaining about? Honestly. IMO the only real disappointment is the lack of flippy screen (WTH?).

[@matafilms]

Awesome video! May we know if this video was recorded using V-LogL?

[@nyrubin]

I think it's fine that they charge for firmware updates. because most people (myself included) don't need the extra features like log. if sony charged me 200 less for a7sii to remove any or all of their log profiles I wouldn't pay the 200 bucks. I think most people don't need the log and the ones that do are professionals who make money from their videos. so I think they did a awsome job on keeping the cameras cheap enough for none pros to be able to afford it while charging the pros more for the "more pro" features 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@activatehalo7763]

Too many unreasonable expectations. Uncropped 422 4K 60?! In the first half of 2019?! Come on people, such a ridiculous thing to get annoyed about.

[@dennis702leon]

My problem with your counterpoints for auto focus and lenses is that you say it will get better over time, which is probably true (I don't think it will be to the level you think at least for auto focus) but the camera companies ask people to by the camera now. Not later. Also firmware should not be paid for, if they just charged me a little more for the camera I would be okay with that. In addition to that, the firmware for most of those features feels like the camera wasn't ready for launch. Some of those features should have already come with the camera, it shouldn't be a fee for me to get those features. And this just doesn't go for Panasonic, back when sony lens options and auto focus were shit I gave them the same flack.

[@walrusgumboot]

What other FF Mirrorless is capable of 10bit 4:2:2 internally? I would have liked it to be included too, but considering no other FF camera has it I can understand them doing this. After all they did/do the same thing with GH5 for vlog l

[@lamasteve6905]

M43 is a mature system, but once Panasonic gets into full frame it will get flushed out. Look at what they did in M43. Look at there pro video cameras, there is no pro Nikon, they are small. Canon DSLR color is poor. My g9 focuses just right. The L line glass with full frame is very Pro equipment. Enjoy the great equipment, so much hard work goes into these new camera’s.

[@mikal]

I'm glad that Panasonic is finally moving past micro-four-douche and installing full frame sensors. However, I can't bring myself to buy a Panasonic today, due to their terrible behavior when they sold me a bad camera. I bought a camera from them in 2015 that was faulty. They refused to fix it and refused to take the camera back and give a refund. They wanted me to pay hundreds of dollars to them to fix their brand new broken camera. I even sent a letter to the CEO and never got a reply. They basically stole $900 from me for a paper weight.

[@After.Photographer]

Looking forward to Sony A7S3 to have 10 bit as well. Even my LG V30 ( 10 bit 4k 24fps 48Mbps ) could do a better job for color grading - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmKqfp6Ogd2do68

[@thebrothersthre3987]

Its really a full frame GH5. More rolling shutter and no 400mbps ALL-I(Which really wasn't that useful anyways). Better dynamic range and low light though (a lot better).

[@moltenpros]

Why would they release a half-baked camera then charge for firmware upgrade? Did Panasonic hire Canon executive to run the company? I agree with the other people who are disappointed in the specs. You are a Panasonic guy so you are defending them but if you were honest you will be saying that this camera is a no-go. 15 min recording limit? Are they going backwards? Are we in the year 2000? Maybe the reason they took so long to release a full-frame camera is because they don't have the capabilities to make a good one.

[@BigIrisProductions]

I was told by a Panasonic rep at Adobe Max that this sensor was designed with the intent to shoot RAW video. I'm just waiting for the announcement. :)

[@ourtvchannel]

Do you believe in Father Christmas too? A new camera which is crap on release but will get better? Costs a fortune, useless focus, no lenses but can use adaptive lens - yuk , like Sony can use Canon but without a working autofocus system unlike Sony - seriously! If you don't work for Panasonic you must have been hypothesized without you knowing

[@Chilupiano]

Sigma lenses won’t be so much cheaper. Maybe 30% lower than the Panasonic ones.. so still expensive. Cameras are in general expensive but this is approaching Leica and ha$$elbad territory. I wouldn’t go Panasonic for those prices. Dead on arrival for me. I’ll stick with Sony and canon for now

[@geforce5591]

Sigma will be releasing a EF-L mount adapter.

[@walrusgumboot]

Mundo Despierto shouldn’t the Sigma lenses be the same price as they currently are for other systems? Especially given that the first lenses they’re releasing are the Art series with the new mount.

[@nathanweisser]

My thing, is Lumix abandoning the MFT community they built? I just invested in some pretty expensive MFT glass, hoping it would hold it's value into the future, but is the last real camera it will be used on the one I already own? That kinda sucks

[@formattester6]

any camera can be compared to any camera. stupid to say otherwise. this camera "is" competing with every other camera that you are saying its not fair to compare. A7rIII, A7III, nikon mirrorless, canon mirrorless, Fuji etc. compare and state differences. very simple.

[@BJJandBS]

Please people. Vote down these reviews when they don't even have the camera and haven't even touched it! Enough is enough with this clickbait!! In case you're too stupid to figure it out, they make these vids with the hopes you will click the links in the description so they can get paid. Without even touching the camera and just regurgitating specs. Spend your time on a real reviewers site. Like Dpreview.

[@KarlMeyer]

If I could use my Ninja V and get full frame 60fps, that would make me switch. But as of now the 1.5x crop is a deal breaker for me personally.

[@tazfrase7045]

Yeah man.. that non-flip out screen is pretty brutal. Granted this isn't really built to vlog with but doing any sort of sit-down video (like this one lol) is going to be problematic without that flip screen.

[@theyoungtravelier]

So many cameras coming out this year... but for a mix of stills/video i'd still choose the Fuji system in the sub $2-3K price bracket.. if you're video centric then it's probably the GH5s, and if you are video only then go with a rigged up BMPCC4K. 4:2:0 is just not enough color to grade with. There's a reason why the 1dxii is still a preferred system.. it's 8 bit 4:2:2 which grades quite well

[@professionalpotato4764]

Does it really make a huge difference? In Gerald Undone's testing, the difference between 420 and 422 is very minor, and only shows up if you do extreme grades like turning blue into green or something.

[@matthewmaccarthy8542]

Copied and pasted from The Atomos FB Page: "****Latest News****: Atomos Ninja V offers 4k 10-bit 422 HDR recording with the Panasonic LUMIX S1 Atomos is delighted to announce that as soon as it ships, the new Panasonic LUMIX S1 full-frame mirrorless camera will immediately be able to record 4k (3840x2160) 10-bit 422 HDR footage to the Atomos Ninja V and Inferno monitor/recorders. HDMI output to one of these Atomos recorders will allow recording direct to Apple ProRes or Avid DNx codecs at up to 4kp30 in the HLG HDR format."

[@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995]

ok: photopraphy video hybrid, full frame, IBIS+ gh5s low light, 10-bit HLG, better autofocus then gh5(s). not ok: low bitrates and too much 8bit, UHD and no c4k, 1.5x crop in UHD 60p, heating, future firmware updates, rolling shutter performance, weight. reading the specs and seeing samples this seems a fine camera to put in a bag with gh5s.

[@imabigsandwich1292]

Problem about the fact that the s1 only have 150mbps at 10bit: 1, 150mbps cannot resolve 10bit 4:2:2 while the 400mbps all I codec can. 2, the 150mbps codec has a lot of problems when editing. 3, The lack of 400mbps All I codec means that a lot of people have to buy a Ninja V, so further increase in it's already steep prices and it's bulky size. 4, The 150mbps codec have some problems with skintone in vlog l, so imagine what will happen when using the even flatter vlog.

[@tonyabdalla]

I've never made purchasing decisions based upon Vaporware, what might be, or what could be. So far, Panasonic has fallen short on this one. I'll be purchasing a Sony a7iii.

[@tomkamin2676]

Bro, still doesent change that Canon has 4K60,Fullframe,with lower crop 4:2:2 8bit, it has it FOR TWO YEARS ALREADY. Yes, at a price, but i believe they could have squesed a lot more out of this.

[@ramonlopeznote]

Thanks Caleb. This reminds me of an old Spanish joke. A guy applies for a job. During the interview for the position the manager explains that the initial salary is going to be just 1000 Euros, but later on there will be a significant raise up to 4000 Euros and perdiem, and extras, and bonuses, medical and dental insurance.... Then the manager asks the applicant, What do you think? And the guy says, I will come later on. This is exactly the same. In order not to lose clients Panasonic, again, hits the market with SMOKE, a promise of, an poorly graded camera that will be upgraded in the future, and, to top it off, if you PAY for the upgrade. I have the GH4 and the GH5 and Panasonic is not going to fool me again with promises. I will come later on.

[@tyronnezx]

Not being funny but people who buy this camera will barely use most of the features, which in essance beats the entire purpose of having comparisons. Case in point is me. I have a G85, and I have barely used 60% of it's features. That camera is capable of some remarkable 4k video and I shoot only photos, and I consider myself a good photographer. Check out my IG: tydesilvaphotograpy if you dont believe me and revisit my comment. I feel like I paid for features that I dont use. Point is, think of whats important to you instead of having mindnumbing comparisons between Sony, Lumix, Canon and Nikon etc

[@yawningmarmot]

I still can't understand why on Earth Panasonic's being so defensive of their contrast-based AF and so stubborn about upgrading to phase or hybrid AF. While their flavor of contrast AF does seem to work fairly well for photo (at least on my G80 when there is decent light), it is just terrible for video and way outdated to boot. I hope they rethink this sooner than later and put phase AF into their GH6 (or whatever's next) just like Olympus did with their cameras.

[@Shohaiko]

The clamp you have on your lens on your GH5 looks a lot like an Anamorphic clamp. Are we supposed to expect a video on anamorphics?

[@drewrobertson6286]

You said “All the Balls!” You are the best! Ps, I’m thinking hard about getting the A9, would your video guide on the A7iii be helpful since you don’t have one for the A9? I’m assuming/hoping that there would be a lot of good crossover content, but I’m not sure...

[@noenken]

Nope, I don't care if it is a completely different thing. Panasonic cameras had the advantage of 10bit, 4k60 and high bitrates. That is why people bought those. This new camera has none of those. I also still think it is crazy to buy a camera based on the promise of a feature update at some point in time. And without those the S1 is objectively a weaker video camera in every aspect (maybe except the ibis) than the Sony A7III. People voicing criticism about the S1 are not wrong at all. They are right. The only thing wrong here is the title of the video.

[@grumpywiseguy5992]

For video, this camera is no better than the 2 year old GH5 much less the GH5S. There are now FOUR new systems out in the wild.. When are all of the camera reviewers going to come up with how a normal human being should decide between these systems. If there needs to be a decision. I don't see a jump in innovation that justifies the price!!! You ALL are still using GH5 for your bread and butter videos even after 2 years. But all the reviewers need new cameras that they can talk us into buying through affiliate links. I like your accessories videos the best!! Have a great day.

[@quite1enough]

It's obvious that this types of cameras such as S1 is more photo than video camera.

[@THEJEDEYEMASTER]

if youre a panasonic shooter, your opinion is biased and thuse, in my eyes is flawed stop waving that camera around. its annoying. looking at images from dpreview, they are GARBAGE!!! just shit quality and a lot of smearing. this camera looks horrible any way you look at it. all they had to do is make a gh5 in ff. sony will release theres soon which will jump over this garbage.

[@nelsonmoreno3680]

Can the s1 do 24 fps... How many stills per second not that i need it..just curious.. as far as autofocus is concerned I don't know where to stand on that traditionally fillmers use manual focus.. I do understand that that's not the target market here but whatever...no raw.in still? Did i just hear you say that? thats a deal breaker for almost any 📷. I did address this in another of your videos but I want to stay that again I'm very curious because I want to like this camera but the image samples on DP as far as fine detail terrible. From what I've seen in the portraits that they have released my Ricoh gr does better.. so again I don't know if they've addressed that the sensor is going to mainly Cater to New lenses.. I have definitely found that M Glass an LTM react with differently with different sensors.. I have a very old m-mount German lens that looks amazing on my A7 but looks terrible on Fuji.. I'm curious what Panasonic a saying about this.. because seriously those portraits that they released at least the ones that dpreview has are absolutely terrible and I don't mean in technique I mean an overall detail

[@beeldbarista]

No they are not wrong. Panasonic made something that people are not waiting for in a 2019 camera. If others can do it, and even Nikon can do it, then Panasonic with all its video knowledge certainly would be able to do it. Their specs are wrong and it IS crippled to protect their Micro 4/3 market. That is Pana's main problem with this camera. BTW your video's are mostly good, but here you do not have to defend Pana for their mistakes.

[@EcBaPr]

Panasonic need to release something that is a step forward on the GH5 and G85 cause these models aren't it.. they have chosen to focus on sensor size but its at the expense of other great features and the net result is a step backwards for videographers. autofocus should have been the priority and why would you remove the fully articulating screen ?? that is ridiculous and makes no sense..

[@seawildearth]

Any camera is only as good as the creative mind behind it. If you keep playing catch up with the latest and greatest you don't get the time to create.

[@SergiMedina]

Thank you for writing “Mb/s” correctly, and for making such amazing and useful videos, of course!

[@CommiePinko101]

We expected better from Panasonic, and for the price. We get 60fps 4K on the S1, but not phase detect autofocus like the a7iii has. Since we're paying a higher price than the Sony shouldn't we expect both features for the money?

[@HuntaDaKilla]

I am surprised how Panasonic's new cameras have somewhat been hit as if they were false advertising or lying about their cameras. These set of cameras did not receive any of the hype I thought they would. I use Panasonic cameras for the overall user experience. It does seem like Sony has the lead on auto focus, but that is it. No one is talking about ISO performance anymore now that this camera has arrived. What happened to the lack of dual card slots in other cameras and the praise for this camera offering it? The 4k 60 fps is not a lie, it is capable with an external recorder. that is not a lie. Most cameras had said that they were capable of it. Fuji is the only one that hyped and made clear the ability to do it internally. Everything this camera has done seems to lack any compromises... maybe the autofocus compared to Sony. Panasonic can easily smash the competitors.

[@brandonsimmonsmedia9631]

I wanted this camera to be everything they said it would be but the issues they have and the release date are too close to fix even half of these issues it seems. So fingers crossed for the A7S III now. Otherwise I'll keep using my GH5 and pick us a GH5S.

[@DonFather]

Imagine the backlash they will get for charging extra money for a firmware update coz when people already bought the hardware , it makes no sense to them to be charged to "unlock" features that they perceive they paid for already. & the precedence has already been set by Fuji to ever improve each camera with free firmware updates. Pitchforks and torches will be at hand.

[@adamvaz9097]

Don't know why people complain about the size of the full frame Lumix cameras. Makes no sense to have a small ff body if your going to put a giant lens on it, like the Sony cameras. You get better control and as was mentioned, heat management is better.

[@jamescook5931]

Loving your background and audio. What microphone 🎤 did you use for this video? Could you send me a link for the gray background. Thank you...

[@moltenpros]

Why is there so much banding in this video? I thought the 10 bit of the GH5 eliminated banding.

[@JoeOberster]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the 1.5x crop is only in 4K 60fps, is that right? No crop in any other recording mode?

[@iris-studios]

totally agree with you, don't get why so many people are complaining, the S1 is a solid camera allround! AF isn't great, but after a firmware update or two AF will be improved, don't forget the AI learning software abilities which should help AF. The low light and sharpness is great on this camera, colors are beautiful, skin tones included. Im very excited with this camera, great body, ergonomics, build quality, menu system, and its amazing 5.7k EVF. They basically took elements from Sony, Fuji, canons & Nikons latest cameras and combined it into one kickass camera! And yeah, the sigma-leica-pana alliance is awesome!

[@iris-studios]

the inbody IS is amazing, you haven't seen any footage yet?? Looks just as good if not better than Gh5, better than Sony & Fuji for sure. Low light is great, 12,800iso is clean, 25,600iso acceptable.

[@MrBobthened]

9:58 I really don't get why everyone dislikes this. The only situation in which the flip out screen is better is filming yourself, IMO for every other use case it's actually worse. With a flip out screen if you want to shoot from the hip you have to look slightly to the side, and the camera strap constantly gets in the way of the screen.

[@FauxtakuLounge]

I tried it out today at CP+. What an amazing camera. Manually focus and the centre is the image alone magnifies leaving room for framing around the magnified portion. Great stills speed. Wonderful hand hold feel.

[@waynelast1685]

If there is a problem with heating at 8 bit 420 then in the future there will be worse problem with 10 bit 422? You really need 10 bit for HDR video.

[@nelsonmoreno3680]

on the topic of Size people are just getting spoiled.. compared to what you used to have to carry around to do any sort of filming straight up people are so spoiled with technology...such a shame gears heads complain about size compared to the ridiculous amount of equipment used to have to carry around

[@GayBoucheryGonzague]

Have you seen how bad is the Crop on these cameras when it comes to 30 and 60p? I had the chance to play with both the S1 and S1R and the crop is ridiculously bad.

[@Falkenroth1]

MFT for video isn’t going anywhere soon. How the heck can you do a interview or record something over 15 min long? I do interviews and any camera with time limits is no good for me.

[@YosepSugiarto]

If you have to pick one : Panasonic GH5s or Panasonic S1 which one do you pick?

[@adrianzaharia8885]

No offense but I can not take in consideration your oppinion regarding the fact that you did not use the S1. We al can read online about it...use it, so I can see your real oppinion about it. Cheers!

[@quite1enough]

You can do 4k/60 4:2:0 10-bit on Fuji x-t3 right now

[@cmdr.shepard]

If only it was 4:2:2 Internal.

[@flyguy8787]

😭The flip screen literally flips the wrong way.... you can’t make this sh*t up 😂😂😂

[@jamethogany]

why does everyone think every camera has to have an articulating screen? Having held this camera at a demo the thing is really heavy, you are not going to be using this as your vlogging camera, so why does it matter? this is targeted at pro photographers, they are pretty much going to be behind the thing, so tilting up, down and swinging up for portrait orientation, is great!

[@jamethogany]

@Eskhatos every company does that.

[@Elfliedthegrave]

Soooo... now they release cameras with not finished firmware... and then we have to pay for that finished firmware? I think I dont like where this is going...

[@DigitalStudioWedding]

You don't get he point... You'll get FREE FW updates! You have to pay if you need VLOG and 10bit in specific modes!

[@Elfliedthegrave]

​@@DigitalStudioWedding The point is, they start with that. And when they see people pay them, they'll start doing that with 24fps... or to unlock 6k recording instead the 4k that is on your camera. Games did the same, first some games started to have some microtransactions to buy some little cosmetics that were 1€ or something like that. Now we have fucking microtransactions for everything, pay to win and all the ****** bull**** in triple A titles :)

[@ivoivanov5993]

Notification squad ✌️ When is the BMPCC 4K review coming up?

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Hoping to get that out this or next month.

[@ivoivanov5993]

You are the best! @@dslrvideoshooter

[@typoded]

>big bulky expensive professional body >no flip out screen because it makes cameras bigger and more expensive OTL

[@Leftha3ndmedia]

Big Bulky body? You must not have shot with Cinema cameras. These cameras are tiny!

[@punkrachmaninoff]

@@Leftha3ndmedia well i have. will take my xt3 for the size and my fs7 for the real work.

[@Leftha3ndmedia]

That Xt3 is great as of last week. That 4GB limit made that thing unusable for us! Enjoy it.

[@typoded]

@@Leftha3ndmedia why is that a big deal? recording between files is seamless

[@Leftha3ndmedia]

typoded Simple math... When I hit the record button, whether it be for 7 seconds or 70 minutes, I should have one file. When you do this for a living you look for the best tools that do the best work. Until that update, it was an no go for us. We’re always going to look for what will simplify our workflow.

[@svenhenig70]

Thank you for the excellent video - so I am waiting for S1 version 2 ;-)

[@ju2705s]

Panasonic? Never again! I love your videos are all in all seems Panasonic has a huge quality problem on the curren production models like the G9. On my G9 the rubber gets loose (SD card door & thumb grip) after 5 month and only 1000 photos in best studio / home condition. Panasonic will not cover the repair costs of 173 Eur although the glue was forgotten already in factory and my camera is only one of a lot of others. I will now get my camera unrepaired back. I will sell my whole Panasonic equipment and wished your chanel will also have a look on the long term quality. Made in China with a non functional quality gate. I canceled also my pre order of the S1 with 24-105. Panasonic? Customer service? Never again. regards Jog

[@jas_bataille]

... I mean, it happens to all companies to let a bad potato slip out of the production line. Panasonic have been producing some of the most used broadcast cameras in the world. The Varicam was also vastly used on film sets before Arri and Red obscured all other manufacturers. Any big company will have quality problems. It sucks, but hey, the GH4 and GH5 are both some of the most used video cameras in the world and GH4s still hold-up well for most pros. It really does suck that they didn't accepted to get it under repair warranty. Unfortunately this happens will all big compagnies. I feel you, but Panasonic does make some of the best cameras out there tho. It's a simple reality that big compagnies will let slip a batch of badly made products, at least on this consumer level. Although I had my fair share of trouble with Panasonic P2s, they were solid cameras in their prime time, and it was mostly because of mishandling. Panasonic customer service is a nightmare tho. Their technician came in my production house and never repaired anything. Then I was hired later on and had to do his job. So I agree about that. Olympus seems to have a much better warranty, and even a pro coverage program.

[@thatjordandrake]

Great analysis. I don't have an S1 to test yet, but Atomos has stated that the S1 will support 10 bit 4:2:2 HDMI output at launch. Looking forward to testing it out!

[@thatjordandrake]

www.dpreview.com/news/2867863468/atomos-ninja-v-inferno-recorders-will-support-4k-10-bit-422-hdr-panasonic-s-lumix-s1

[@fellowcitizen]

Jordan, nice conveyor belt gaze :) have you experimented with re-processing the S1's 6K PHOTO mode into video? I realise it's 3:2 ratio, and possibly a travesty, however, it feels like full-frame 6K (or even 5.4K?) should be attracting more interest - even as an experimental/postproduction mode.

[@buckwilde1511]

So ... you HAVEN'T tested the camera? Why did u make this video???

[@waynelast1685]

Surprise, you need to buy the 10 bit firmware update if you want to do HDR video.

[@Newtperc]

Glad to hear a shout out for Gerald Undone! His channel is fantastically informative

[@biscuitsalive]

You can compare anything you like. If both are to be used for video there is a ton of crossovers between GH5 and S1. It’s pretty obvious people are going to want to know which is better, and for what purpose. I don’t hold with this “you can’t compare these to cameras” nonsense. There are differences, of course. But that’s exactly why people like to see comparisons, to see exactly what the differences look like.

[@theTechNotice]

Caleb, hand on your heart, which camera are you more excited about the S1 or the A7sIII ?

[@HeyHerdy]

I've always thought this, if you're using auto focus with a $2000+ camera, you're doing it wrong and I don't think you know much about how to actually operate a camera.

[@MM-gx8fd]

Not true, would love to see how you are tracking subjects at a wedding in manual focus, people dancing, sports, cars, wildlife or anything at all

[@billcox812]

@@MM-gx8fd I manually focus every wedding I shoot. It's difficult, but it can be done. On a film set, focus pullers are doing the work, not autofocus. Just like camera operators don't use autoexposure, have to have a good concept of lighting, and have to know how to frame their shots correctly. It's a lot to do and it's difficult, but the only way to get better at something is to do it.