WHY ROSENBERG GOT KICKED OUT OF VERCETTI'S GANG? | GTA VICE CITY LORE ANALYSIS

Hello folks! Today we are going to talk about why Tommy Vercetti decided to cut ties with Ken Rosenberg. These two had a very long relationship, full of surprises and never-ending action. However, at some point Ken Rosenberg's growing problems with drugs and alcohol turned out to be the climax of their friendship. How it all started and what were the consequences? Find out in this episode 🙂
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[@SilverNightx1]

The sad thing is that Tommy did care for Ken a lot. So much so that he'd allowed Ken to snort up a lot of the supply while Tommy never really retaliating on him. And when Tommy saw the downward spiral that Ken was going he had to make a harsh decision not only for Ken himself, but for his empire as well. And instead of just wacking him off, Tommy sent him off to Rehab as a sort of goodbye and cut all contact so that Ken can live a "normal life". Thinking about it Tommy was betrayed by most of his friends as each one used him as a means for themselves to get to power and seeing Ken as a friend didn't want his last friend to do the same.

[@gaminginvestigators]

That is so true 😦

[@dukkemonterier3429]

Yeah, I see this point too. Ken had no head to live in such criminal life. Tommy was being merciful to him with this action.

[@number3665]

I agree plus Ken never really helped in Vice City at all. Tommy did all the heavy lifting. Ken was like.... moral support lol. Plus if you really want to help your friend kick his cocaine addiction you don't send him to rehab and then invite him back to help you run a cocaine empire. That's just stupid.

[@Jwillrocku2]

Love Fist most likely wacked him off. 🤭

[@pranavprashant3915]

Even Ken tells CJ that's he desires to live a family man life and leave this criminal lifestyle in the past

[@planderlinde1969]

I like to imagine after the events of San Andreas Tommy was enjoying a sunset with a cigar in hand in his mansion reading about the success of Ken Rosenberg and Maddog while saying to himself "Ah Ken I knew you would be just fine"

[@kazuhiramiller191]

👏👏👏👏

[@princessmarlena1359]

You got that right!

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

Sounds like a fitting after credits scene.

[@NickLofton7]

@Morgan Williamson no because there was an old website “ran by Kent Paul” that confirmed Tommy was the kingpin of Vice City at least until 2002.

[@Gameprojordan]

@AMW Productions nah they didn't. After sonny fell the forellis were weak as hell and had to deal with combating against other rising mob members in liberty city. By the events of liberty city stories they were basically fully defeated by the leones, and for a few years after that the leftover high level forelli members were whacked off like Mike Lips in gta 3

[@furqantarique3484]

Ken Rosenberg is so lucky that he survived GTA Vice City and also GTA San Andreas as well

[@60wwediva]

He survived due to his loyalty and friendships with both.

[@furqantarique3484]

@@60wwediva right how lucky he was

[@Zeina107]

Right?! Hes that background charecter that somehow avoids getting got

[@Jonesy0439]

What about liberty city

[@furqantarique3484]

@@Jonesy0439 Ken Rosenberg wasn't in Liberty City

[@nanofate8662]

Without bringing up Liotta, Tommy most likely just found Ken unreliable and in the end useless after losing his Lawyer status given that Tommy reeled into a Lance for his incompetence. That's said, putting him in rehab was probably an act of genuine kindness since Ken and Tommy are close enough that Tommy wouldn't want to see Ken go even lower than he already is.

[@ifeelcoke4347]

Good point

[@gaminginvestigators]

Actually when you think about it, yeah.. He always might kill Rosenberg instead of giving him a hand before cutting ties with him.. Thanks for the valuable input! 🙂

[@THE_LORD2450]

Good point

[@Ryder....]

Ray Liotta Was Legendary

[@Adarkane325xi]

Ken was voiced by William Fichtner, Avery Carington was voice by the late, great Burt Reynolds. Vice City really brought the star power, it’s remains my favorite to this day.

[@clearspira]

Tommy Vercetti is actually a very loyal man. The only man he outright ''betrays'' throughout Vice City is Sonny - and even then, its only because Sonny betrayed him first. I think that's what it comes down to in the end. Ken isn't a friend but he is a comrade. A comrade who ultimately stuck by him when a lot of others didn't. Its what saved him from a bullet (which is certainly how most real life criminals would have gone about dealing with such lose end).

[@waters228_91]

It was a smart move for Tommy to cut all ties with Ken. The latter was becoming a useless coke addict and would have done more harm than good for business. There's the old saying: "Don't get high on your own supply." Just look at what happened to Tony Montana. Who's to say the same wouldn't happen to Ken had he stayed with that severe addiction? Especially since this was the possible reason Lance betrayed Tommy. So it was a good decision for Tommy to not want anything to do with him anymore. Moral here: Stay off the coke! You'll become a liability.

[@abskhairoun]

Yeah, I mean look at big bear. B Dup's base slave

[@gaminginvestigators]

That is true indeed 🙂

[@99mrpogi]

And Ken Rosenberg being allied with CJ definitely allowed ken to overcome his addiction in addition to getting out of rehab

[@hartonosutrisno5452]

Tommy was a good man with high moral and respect to his alliance, despite Ken was heavy addict, he warned Ken to stop his addiction or it goes worse. Thats why Tommy sent him to rehab center and cut his ties with him until Ken freed from addiction. Also, R* scrapped the script on SA opening where Ken tried to call Tommy but his henchmen answered instead of Tommy as replacement. The Proffesional was uncovered this on his video with lots of analysis and details what actually happened between Tommy and Sonny with Tommy and Ken on separate videos.

[@TheBlueboy7777]

Damn....i but i love coke😢 and pepsi😈

[@CARLJOHNSON-ny8sn]

R.I.P. RAY LIOTTA

[@nxmx6ix]

Wow it's been a year. Rest in Peace Mr. Liotta

[@xpmyt341]

Rosenberg has a good ending in his life by choosing to work with CJ and madd Dogg , idk about how it would've been if he stayed with tommy

[@gaminginvestigators]

Indeed, it can be said that this whole story turned out to be quite successful for Ken 😀

[@xpmyt341]

@@gaminginvestigators he mentioned about his family in vice city in one of the phone calls , can you check in depth on that?

[@pragatsharma1580]

cj made ken,mad dog and grove free from drugs, tommy did the right thing as if he would bring ken back he would again become addict bcoz tommy was king of cocaine empire

[@xpmyt341]

@@pragatsharma1580 I guess tommy did the right choice too

[@Snicketbar]

To be fair it was Tommy's bodyguard that picked up the phone. And informed Ken that he doesn't want to talk to him. For all we know, Tommy was eagerly waiting to hear back from Ken and when he didn't after being checked out of rehab. Figured he'd moved on.

[@GachaB]

Another great video! At least Ken has a less dangerous job after joining up with CJ. I have a suggestion, maybe try do a lore video on Donald Love's disappearance? I would like to hear your reasoning behind his disappearance.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks! Actually, we are planning to release video about Donald Love's disappearance and other plot holes in the future 🙂

[@shaneomacdaddy]

RIP Ray Liotta 🪦⚰️🕊🙏🏻☮️⚱️

[@Roggor]

Vice City is one of those games that deserves a remake but would inevitably be done wrong.

[@adityaunde4134]

They did pretty well with the Mafia. Rockstar needs to put the efforts

[@Fleon47]

As a kid when I was playing vice city I never realized that Ken had such a problem with cocaine addiction. I thought everybody was on cacaine cause it's vice city^^.

[@gaminginvestigators]

I had the same like you 😀 but "The Introduction" movie got me I was wondering about it much more.

[@bigbazooka2191]

As a kid when I was playing vice city, I didn't even know what cocaine was

[@Fleon47]

@@gaminginvestigators need to see this One. ^^

[@PhamBoy91]

I feel Ken would've just gotten back on cocaine again, anyways, even if Tommy would've taken him back. Which, in turn, would've let to more uselessness for him with Tommy, which would've caused a domino effect of more problems for Tommy's empire. Which is exactly why Ken got back on cocaine in Sanandreas, proving it would've happened anyway, in either scenario. Therefore, Tommy made a smart business decision in cutting ties with Ken.

[@aryachandhramouli9183]

Ken Rosenberg was addicted to drugs and alcohols and almost went to lowest situations of his life so Tommy vercetti sent him to San andreas (gta san andreas) rehabilitation centre to get him cured and we can also see ken Calling Tommy by telephone phone In a cut scene in gta sa while doing (the meat bussiness) Mission with CJ in gta sa👍

[@gaminginvestigators]

That's a cool summary, my man 😃

[@nitrosodium]

7:59 you don't have to be a coward to cut off a person like Ken , i mean he's an iconic character but Tommy did it for self respect as he wasn't sure Ken was clean. Tommy didn't want to come to the point he'd have to dump him again, or worse have him killed if he messes around. He let Ken keep his life for himself. Luckily, he crossed paths with CJ. 8:50 he would keep behaving like this even at Vercetti's, with the fact that Tommy's morals and personality can't do enough to stop him from taking drugs.

[@houariyanic]

The sad fact that ray liotta was kicked out from Rockstar company so they also kicked his character out as well.

[@ElRosco187]

He wasn’t kicked out they had a disagreement over pay. They wanted Tommy back for San Andreas. Liotta wanted to be paid more they said no.

[@SPECTRASTORM]

Your explanation level is next level you know the things that others don't know

[@johndavis5190]

I don't think Tommy would have given him a second chance, because basically Tommy's Enterprise revolved around the cocaine business. Ken's past addictions I think would absolutely be too much for him to overcome, and this would have probably ended very badly for Rosenberg.

[@marian.t.]

It would be nice to see a video about Tommy and Mercedes relationship, and what happened to her after VC.

[@muhammadariyan7692]

Earned a sub bro. This channel deserves more recognition.

[@celticbalkan2219]

Videos like this are my favorite on your channel! I feel sorry for Rosenberg.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Glat to hear that, my man! 😃

[@Muneeb_Akhtar]

The only use that Ken Rosenberg had was that he was a lawyer and as we hear in the introduction cutscene that he was disbarred from the Law So basically Tommy had no more use for him he was a liability he was getting high on his own supply

[@ENGLISH4FUN248]

Ken rosenberg did so much effort to help tony taking over the drug business in vice city he was the only one for him once arrived to vice city my guesses is that Tommy left him due to his behaviors and how cocaine attracted him to addiction maybe Tommy wanted to see healthy and clear minded people working for him

[@theconnected7234]

You mean Nose-enberg?

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yeah... 😂

[@Marcus_shawn]

💀💀

[@MGMmohamed]

great video keep up the great work

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks!

[@hishamhilal8332]

Its a shame that ending though. Ken is one of the most colourful characters in the series, I completely understand the reasoning though. But he's one of my favourite side characters, seeing him with kent paul and maccer is sa was incredibly entertaining though.

[@Darkman9000]

It is a shame the 3D universe got shelved for the HD one, would have loved to see where everyone was at in the equivalent "modern day" in some game set in either of the three locations or a new one within that universe. Would Claude still be an errand boy, or his own boss? Would Tommy have shared his empire with family, or just reign until his inevitable demise? Not that I'm saying every story needed to be sequelized, but with how the PS2 games and the PSP spinoffs wove the narratives together, it really would have been fun to at least see one more update on the world before we moved onto the darker HD universe.

[@iwillnotcomplyistandformyf6642]

Yes!?

[@mihaaai7834]

Great video!! 👍👍👍

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks, nice to hear that! :)

[@theslayer4050]

i believe that Tommy knew how dangerous it would be for ken to keep working with him. Being 2nd in command, he would have a target on his back, and ken isn't really the fighting type when shit hits the fan. i think the idea for tommy was that he was protecting ken, sending him to rehab for a fresh start in Los Santos

[@zardox78]

7:29 "Indirectly contributed"? Yeah, that's not what Ken was arguing. I believe his exact words were "I _made_ that ingrate!" And anyone who played the game knows that Tommy did all the damn work (because we _were_ Tommy at the time) while Ken sat on his ass the vast majority of the game. Sure, he provided some necessary connections for the story of the game to continue, but Tommy did all of the heavy lifting... and the vast majority of the light lifting too.

[@DarkDragonSlayer]

"you ain't a stickup man! you're an idiot!" - tommy still laughing at that till this day lol

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Well, Tommy has to deal with too many problems at once... And this is before his bitter enemy, Sonny came to Vice City!

[@DarkDragonSlayer]

@@madkhaliqfarhan well yeah, that's true.

[@adityaunde4134]

Ken : Just like the old times Tommy. CJ : Who tf is Tommy? I hope Ken meets Tommy after the events of San Andreas.

[@rodneywilliams6954]

Vice City is obviously a sexy place to someone who wants to run a monopoly on the drug world. However, it won’t love them back. In short, it’s was probably only a matter of time before someone took Tommy out. Probably did that poor Attorney a favor indirectly.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Well, at least we know for sure that Tommy Vercetti was still alive until 2002 thanks to Kent Paul's website 🙂

[@pampaluga5955]

Great work good video 👍👍💪

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks bro :)

[@ZetoBlackproject]

He couldn't lay off the blow.

[@mooremoney8316]

Ken Rosenberg survive the '80s and the 90s he's probably dead but who knows where he at😭

[@TheProfessor66]

He's dead because the 3d universe has ended

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yeah, this is a big mystery 🙂

[@lamardavids9464]

After 1986, Ken suffered from drug addictions so Tommy sent him to rehab and cut ties with him

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

We can already see the start of Ken's drug addiction in "The Shootist"!

[@xx_ironman77_xx1]

If gta 6 takes place in vice city it would be nice to get an tommy vercetti Easter egg like in the future have his abandoned mansion in an old part of vice city and let the information about the house be online and tell us about who owned it and what happened to tommy like confirm if tommy was overthrown and taken out for killing an mafia crime boss?🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Marcus_shawn]

Tommy would be like 64 today he's either retired or died from age or health

[@justawanderingoldman7699]

Nah. If Tommy accepts him back, he will just be an addict again when he has the chance. Like what happened in San Andreas. If anything, I see Tomy wants his friend to stay away from all of those drugs stuff and live a new life. Accepting an ex-addict into a drug business while wanting him to keep clean is stupid. Like "Yo, don't do drugs anymore alright? Anyway, this is our new drugs warehouse that I want you to handle." lol. To be fully cleared from addiction, people need to stay away as far as possible from what they're addicted to.

[@badbread1579]

I think Las Venturas was also not the best place for an ex drug addict.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Looks like he made the right decision then 🤔 Thank you for your input 🙂

[@99mrpogi]

CJ's refusal to do drugs plus sweet's anti drugs ideologies would have helped ken Rosenberg overcome his addiction

[@nbHawkeye]

Tommy more or less knew that Rosenberg was a danger to himself and the gang. Sooner or later Ken would've probably screwed thing up big time and end up in jail or dead. He still cared enough for Rosenberg to pay his rehab, get him out of his operation and give him the possibility of living a normal life without crime. If he actually returned to Vice City the only thing that would have happened to him is Ken ODing one day.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Perfectly said, Nightblade! 😁 See you in more episodes, man.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Tommy wouldn't like to see Ken overdosing on cocaine... Because it won't be sweet if VCPD finds out!

[@challengerfighter9002]

Fav channel

[@Kane9000Williams]

same mane, I think he found those secrets by using magnifier glass lol

[@challengerfighter9002]

@@Kane9000Williams lol

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks you man!

[@Dziugasc]

Omg finally answers

[@cheburekislife8747]

according to gta wiki: Rosenberg is undoubtedly heavily influenced by Sean Penn's character Dave Kleinfeld from the 1993 movie Carlito's Way. Both worked as lawyers, helped the protagonists of their respective franchises, and were heavily addicted to cocaine and both did something that made the protagonist sever their ties with them (in Kleinfeld's case, he was going to testify against Carlito and Tommy severed his ties with Rosenberg because of his drug addiction). Also, the interior of Rosenberg's office in Vice City is also remarkably similar to Dave Klenfield's office.

[@PBL187]

Not to mention they both had the same hairstyle and both wore glasses

[@Monk-ow3ok]

8:01 Highly doubt this is the case. Toy has never been shy about voicing his opinon

[@gwave0308]

Ken kept getting addicted to crack and kept on sniffing it. Tommy told him to stop because ken was his friend and lawyer. He kept getting high and even start sniffing tommy own crack supplies. With ken no longer a lawyer he was now a liability now. Tommy had no choice but to kick him out. I hope ken is doing okay as mad dog agent now and is not making the same mistake with drugs like he did with Tommy. With cj hate of drugs I think ken stop his addiction and is living good with mad dog.

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

Not to mention there isn't a story at what is happening at Vice - getting rid of Sonny never means end of trouble. Other example, where is Grove street in GTA5? Tommy could be having his own shit to worry about, plus it would help Rosenberg to do something by himself. after all the breakup is primarily because of Ray Liotta leaving Rockstar.

[@gillespriod5509]

Ken didnt smoked crack like a hobo! he sniffed cocaine like a lawyer!!

[@LouieOcean2]

Crack isn’t sniffed it’s smoked so he didn’t keep getting addicted to crack and sniffing it because that wouldn’t make sense. Crack is a cooked form of powdered cocaine and a much stronger substance

[@gaminginvestigators]

We definitely agree with you! :)

[@99mrpogi]

Hopefully ken's alliance with a gang whose members' ideologies are against drugs would probably help ken Rosenberg overcome his cocaine addiction.. otherwise cj and sweet would have probably kicked ken Rosenberg out as an associate or ally

[@chrollox6404]

Carlito's Way is a good watch if you like the Ken Rosenberg character

[@thatscandinavianguy841]

Ken and Tommy could have been really good friends Tommy would expected Kens phone call but RockstarNorth had other plans for game but it was still really beautiful game

[@liam9464]

We don’t know and never will.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yes, but some conclusions can be drawn 😁

[@MayitoTamps]

1:03 Take One To Know One Henry Hill 🤣

[@donnbaahubali]

If Ray Liotta didn't quit as voice actor Tommy would have said sorry but he couldn't associate with him to Ken on phone in the cutscene of Introduction of GTA SAN ANDREAS .

[@cathallynch8269]

An interesting thought is that Tommy let Ken's issues slide whilst he was quick to challenge Lance.

[@thatguy7072]

I think a major issue was Tommy got tired of being let down by the people around him. Despite treating them fairly well. I mean what kingpin you know would let their friend get high on their product vs making the money off it? Plus lance let him down by trying to takeover despite being treated reasonably when he wasnt even pulling his weight. The man become underboss without any substantial work.

[@thatguy7072]

Not to mention taking a rap for sonny doing the time and still being looked down upon.

[@gaminginvestigators]

That's so true. But you know, Tommy could at least have this one last phone call with Rosenberg for the sake of good old times.. 🙂

[@thatguy7072]

@@gaminginvestigators 🤣🤣🤣 gangsters don't really do feelings. Not killing him was already a show of care. Cause let's face it. Rosenberg is a loose end that'll crack under pressure. He's a weak link. He's actually extremely lucky to be alive

[@leonardmccoy4797]

@@thatguy7072 which is why his introduction and role in SA was so genius because it more or less ties up his arc from Vice City. Also if he hadn’t had met CJ, who knows what would’ve happened

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

​@@thatguy7072 If Ken had worked with Sonny, he would've been dead already!

[@BrickedUpp]

Even in GTA SA he’s snorting coke. He can’t handle any fame or fortune. Ken Rosenberg probably got fired from CJ’s empire too

[@gaminginvestigators]

Even though we like Ken very much, it must be said anyway that what you mentioned is totally true: /

[@leonardmccoy4797]

I mean,yeah. Sure he has CJ and Sweet and their anti-drug thing, but I have friends who continue to do their harmful habits despite getting help and living a better life. Ken very well could do good for a few months, but because he gets stressed so easily, he does coke again to escape the stresses and maybe one day, CJ comes to visit and he’s doing drugs again. Knowing how CJ is, I’m sure he would be extremely hurt to see his friend in that coked out state again

[@b-raffmusic9144]

Yo so I just ran threw this on switch, and didn’t do the Malibu club assets, and I’ll be real I missed all of this 😂😂😂 I watched every cutscene too 😂😂😂

[@litgamer0081]

Ken Rosenberg is my favorite GTA side character

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

As for me, my favorite GTA Vice City side character is Ernest Kelly because his kindness keeps reminding Tommy of his own father! This is why they have a really beautiful relationship!

[@xAdorNexasYT]

Damn I didn't think of it from Ken's point of view

[@KieranHarris44]

Couldn't they have just looked for a sound-alike for San Andreas though?

[@Neopumper666]

this!

[@KieranHarris44]

@@Neopumper666 I mean... my only assumption is them wanting to avoid fan backlash, or maybe something in Liotta's contract prevented them from doing so, but otherwise, I think most people would be fine with a sound-alike.

[@kriss3d]

That scene where Ken says "Oh I need a job". Where is that from ? I dont belive Ive ever seen that before. What game is that from ? Im certain its not from GTA VC.

[@unde4dmemesauce]

It's from the San Andreas "The Introduction" short film that Rockstar released for the game's 10th anniversary in 2014.

[@thesun5275]

I argue that by not allowing him back Tommy knew that Ken couldn't spiral again, and he worried that if given the opportunity it isn't so much that Ken would become useless, it's that he would go so far down hill again. He wanted to give Ken a way out and a fresh start, which as you said they were good friends who had been there for each other. Imagine working with someone you care about and seeing them start spiraling down a cycle of drugs and alcohol, it isn't easy to watch and Tommy wanted Ken to get help at the very end through rehab, but in his line of work it is so easy to go down that spiral again that it was just safer if he didn't.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Great summary, my man! Although we think Tommy could at least make this final phone call in The Introduction to say goodbye to his old comrade 🥲

[@thesun5275]

@@gaminginvestigators I feel that was likely due to just the voice actor concerns, or maybe Tommy was dealing with shit back in Vice City. I have no doubt that he eventually learns about what happened at the casino through Mafia hearsay, hell considering that Ken gets involved with Madd Dogg who becomes a celebrity, he may just be glad that his friend is out of the business and doing much better for himself. After all, Ken himself even says that he just really wants to retire and stop being put in positions where his life would constantly be on the line. Tommy knows that and would respect that, last thing he needs is for someone somewhere to hear about Ken who is a loose asset somewhere way out west where Tommy can't provide protection, imagine that kind of leverage. Tommy doesn't feel right about leaving business halfway done, and he would still feel loyalty and an obligation to do something about it. Publically he makes it look like there is no connection, and it's probably safer for them both. Though on a side note, I have a feeling that if Tommy heard what Ken got pushed into by Salvatore, Tommy would have come knocking on his front door with satchel charges. He has saved other "friends" for less, and Ken was loyal to the end and even after the fact.

[@theconnected7234]

Tommy was very non confrontational when it came to his feelings involving people close to him. He never said a word to Sonny until the ending, he never ended his relationship with Nosenberg directly and ghosted him, he didn't want to address his tension with Lance even when Lance tried to bring his issues up throughout the game in his phone calls. Tommy's a killer but am emotional coward

[@leonardmccoy4797]

As someone who loves to do character analysis, I personally wouldn’t call him and emotional coward. Sure, certain things could’ve been avoided, but remember that by the beginning of VC, Tommy was getting out of prison due to Sonny setting him up and ultimately betraying him with Lance. I feel like the past incidents with Lance, especially the last interaction before the end of the game,Tommy was starting to get fed up and started to limit who he gets close to because maybe he saw signs in Vance that he saw initially in Sonny. He might not outwardly show it, but it’s obvious he cares a lot about Mercedes and her father as well as Umberto, Ken, Love Fist, the old newsprinter guy, the bikers and everyone else in the Vercetti inner circle because they are the ones who consistently showed their loyalty throughout the game, so I feel like being called an ‘emotional coward’, is a bit harsh.

[@theconnected7234]

@@leonardmccoy4797 I have to go as far as using the term coward because Tommy's in a position where people's lives are at stake in order to protect & run his businesses. Had Tommy addressed Lance earlier, they could've reached an agreement or he could've decided to remove Lance on his terms. Had Tommy put his foot down with Sonny sooner, the print shop guy might not have been assaulted and the businesses wouldn't have been forced into paying the Forellis with Lance's help. Tommy's employees had to suffer because of his own inactions, and that's what made him a coward at that point

[@leonardmccoy4797]

@@theconnected7234 ahh see, that makes more sense actually and it’s a very intriguing take to say the least. If Tommy didn’t have the emotional range of a sponge, then the entire game could change drastically. Lance would see that Tommy meant business and is through playing games so it soley rests on him to make that final decision. As with Sonny, that’s a bit more tricky. Sonny easily pulled the strings and could probably make Tommy’s life hell since the Forelli’s were at their height before their decline in LCS, and Tommy knew that, so maybe he was either playing it safe or waiting until Sonny’s guard was down. It’s refreshing to have a civil discussion eith an opposing viewpoint

[@theconnected7234]

@@leonardmccoy4797 I agree, this is a great discussion & I was only able to make my second point because you brought up the people Tommy genuinely cared about, especially Mercedes and the print shop guy. Sonny's goons could've easily targeted the film studio instead of the print shop and who knows what they could've done to Mercedes now that her father was gone and Tommy wasn't there.

[@irtaza_malik]

I thought it was written Nico Rosberg from F1 😂

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

He beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery in 2016...

[@Wasper216]

It’s still all because of Ray Liotta and his issues with R*. That’s why R* just had to make something up to change the story to what it finally is. RIP Ray Liotta 🪦

[@sanskarthepro]

😢

[@KingYahshua]

I highly doubt that R* had the funds to even bring Ray Liotta back for a cameo in another game. All of the 3D era protagonists who make cameos in other games aren’t voiced by their original voice actors (Victor Vance, Cipriani, Claude lol).

[@gwave0308]

He was one of the greatest He wad and artist, a great man. He was and still is a true goodfella.

[@justchill1617]

I think if rockstar is in good terms with the voice actor they bring them up again in future games like ken rosenberg and phil for example, if you checked the video of the making of vice city the two voice actors seem to be enjoying what they do

[@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188]

Why did Ken choose to go to San andreas instead of liberty city......also....why did he need to leave vice city......also....did Tommy stay in vice city or did he go back to liberty city because I think he was originally from liberty city sent to vice city

[@Lupo32]

The special introduction for gta san Andreas if you got the special edition You can watch it on KZbin

[@Frost825]

For his addiction

[@specswhannell]

Poor Ken.. He is so cute , I love him

[@nathanielneveryman]

Big Smoke was the worst. Ryder betraying would've been the sad one if either were.

[@saintakins187]

In retrospect Ken Rosenberg got himself fired for becoming a crackhead.

[@tonyfierro2298]

He based of cariltos way lawyer he even looks like him too in the movies he became a cocaine addicted man 😂😂💯

[@boruto4162]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 fr

[@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188]

Still gets me upset that Tommy and Lance aren't together anymore....it's seemed very true about their friendship

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

I know... But Lance's decision to betray Tommy in favor of Sonny is literally the last straw! He's also the reason Vic lost Louise!

[@rickscary46]

Ray Quit gta resulting in a change of story. Same with Ryder when MC Eiht quit rockstar changing the story

[@egorleschev]

But why does GTA V have MC Eiht songs?

[@rickscary46]

@@egorleschev Idk,thats a Mystery to me. Unless they all friends again

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Ken says Tommy is selfish but he's clearly more selfish! He wants all the cocaine for himself and only himself... And his severe cocaine addiction almost put Vercetti Empire in even greater danger, not to mention that he lost his lawyer's licence because of it! This is why Tommy decided to send him to Fort Carson in 1991!

[@GardG4m3r]

So why he didn't give him at least a small home instead of kicking him out like a homeless 😂 you know that Ken Rosenberg is the reason of taking over vice city

[@lukim2744]

Tommy's like the lawyer in carlito's way, he's a fucking crazy liability to have when he's all whacked out on coke, unpredictable can cause a lot of unnecessary misgivings.

[@redemptiondenied8411]

Ken Rosenberg was kicked out of 109 organisations before he met Tommy.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Only to get kicked out of the 110th organization... And went straight to rehab!

[@GardG4m3r]

😂😂😂 are you kidding that number isn't even exists in gta😂

[@wyattrabbit14]

Rosen... berg... lmao

[@bigbrothertw]

why did that intro sound like a skin walker wrote it

[@Miltypooh2001]

I don't think Tommy's decision with kicking out Ken and sending him to rehab was a bad thing I think the reason why he did it was because Ken was his best friend and he always stood by tommy no matter how things got messed up in vice city in fact it's for the better, he didn't want Ken to become a drug addict as he could easily screw up the whole counterfeit cash business, if he continued snorting coke in the middle of washing cash, tommy sent him to rehab out of his own heart and cut ties because he doesn't want him to get heavily involved into crime and as Ken stated during the mission meat business he was tired of crime and wants go out and live a normal life and by that point he probably understood why tommy did it.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Well yeah, you're absolutely right. It was indeed a good idea to get rid of Rosenberg, but since it was kinda obvious, we decided to approach this topic from Ken's perspective instead 😃

[@markmagician2471]

It's because Ken had a drug problem and was sent to rehab and Tommy I guess cut his losses with him. Probably couldn't put up with his stupidity

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Ken wasn't stupid... He was only not prepared enough to survive in the dangerous world of crime...

[@DCSk8er529]

Tommy got tired of bailing Ken out for every time he poked his head out of the gutter for one freakin' second just to have fate shovel SHIT in his face.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Go get some sleep...

[@DCSk8er529]

@@madkhaliqfarhan What are you gonna do?

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

@@DCSk8er529 I'll drop by your office tomorrow and we can start sorting this mess out!

[@DCSk8er529]

@@madkhaliqfarhan Best GTA game ever.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

@@DCSk8er529 I would like to play GTA SA but I never had the opportunity! This is why I agree with you!

[@daltonpolston4256]

I just bought the definitive edition for Xbox One and replayed it and noticed something weird this time. At the beginning of vice City when all the forelli guys are setting around the table talking about Tommy there's no money or drugs. Tommy does the deal, gets robbed. When Sonny calls him he has a big pile of money and drugs sitting on the table. So I guess my question is did anyone else notice this? and if so do you think it is a possible theory that sonny set it up and Tommy just found someone to blame (Diaz)?

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

That's been a theory for a while. There isn't a lot of direct evidence that Diaz hit Vance other than the fact that they were compatitors (which was a valid motive in the drug trade, but there's no direct evidence).

[@Marcus_shawn]

Noticed it then but didn't realize it was the drugs and money from Tommy

[@seang4]

What game is the scene where he’s outside the Fort Carson rehab from? I don’t remember it.

[@jasontodd8071]

It's from the video 'Introduction ' from San Andreas. It on the Rockstar website or here on KZbin!☺

Man I wish he could send him a letter explaining why cuz it seemed that Tommy was his only friend

[@GardG4m3r]

So at least he got a real friend hates the keys and white and saved him from the taking the white stuff results 😮

[@mohammed_K1]

In fact, this video is completely unnecessary, because we all know why Tommy was removed from the series, for the same reason that removed Nico. Money 💵 💵 . It's something the actors say it's not like the rest of the things that Rockstar has kept hidden, it might be fun to speculate on the causes but when you know the real reason there is no need to invent reasons from the game because the events that took place in it were not originally a blueprint to keep Tommy out of the story It's just loading more game story than it's made to handle 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@mohammed_K1]

@Jimmy Valmer it is in one way or another

[@Neopumper666]

did it happen with Nikko's VA as well? fuck I'd love a sequel to that story

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks for the comment! Now at the beginning of the video we highlighted that we are going to exclude Ray Liotta's dispute with Rockstar specifically because we wanted to take in-game approach. We know that if this accident wouldn't happen, the whole thread could turn out. However, it is not easy (maybe even impossible) to find any information about the early concept of Tommy's role in GTA San Andreas before the dispute. It is not like in Ryder's case because here we have a lot of reasons proving that final concept of him betraying GSF was not originally intended. (there will be episode about it soon by the way 🙂 ) Nonetheless, we are analysing the storyline above all. Yes, we don't forget about what happens between Ray Liotta and Rockstar, Burt Reynolds and Rockstar and so on. But for us it's really important to colloquially speaking "squeeze" as much as we can from what we have in the game. Because sometimes we can conclude interesting things that are not visible at first glance. Anyway, we are also going to make a video about Ray Liotta's dispute as well 🙂

[@Fractal_blip]

ken is sean penn's character in carlito's way.

[@AJ_hwd954]

The real answer is because Rock$tar couldn’t bring back Ray Liotta

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

GTA 3.5: Carlito's Scarface

[@MackHeath-ns7ly]

if I remember correct Ken told CJ he wanted out of the life of working for the MOB cause if would not be good for his health in the long run and the fact Ken went to work for Mad Dogg as his Accountant sorta his life ended up even better kind of funny seems Tomi did Ken a favor by not letting him return to Vice City but again that is my Opinion

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Tommy learned one meaningful lesson: Never appoint a drug addict into an important position!

[@emptybucket1988]

Kent Rosenberg could not launder the money for vercetti anymore

[@discountmorty213]

I was delighted when they were in SA but only knew later that Ray and Rstar do not work anymore, which was really disappointing

[@Datboidezz434]

When it came to GTA;SA, he was involved in less danger than being in Vice City with Tommy having the Forellis and other stuff going on. Definitely a good thing, but Tommy prolly thought he wasn’t built for it seeing how Tommy is a go getter versus Ken being a somewhat coward. I loved the chemistry tho with the 2 playing Vice City but Tommy said nah. Who knows what happened for Tommy to send him off and cut ties with him. I just hope we hear more about Tommy in upcoming GTA games #RipRayLiotta

[@Lupo32]

Short answer watch the movie carlitos way who a character who looks like Ken Rosenberg is based on.

[@shadhassan2145]

I really don't think Tommy was a coward for not confronting Ken. The downward spiral due to drug abuse was one of the themes of GTA: SA, which makes more sense given that Tommy was literally running a drug empire in Florida back then. I'm not a criminal expert, but clearly, a drug empire can't be run by drug addicts. In real life, corporate organizations also cut out links that do not do their work and simply enjoy their share.

[@Laaavote35]

Tommy always focusing on his business

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Well, after going through 15 years of hell, Tommy has made the right decision to end Sonny's life and become the most powerful man in Vice City!

[@HiJ2]

Hello dude... can u make a video on Mercedes and what happened to her after the game

[@mr.andrew7820]

Tommy,Ken,Kent,Avery,Donald Love,Phil Cassidy,Dwayne,Jetro,Candy Suxxx and Love First band are the only ones we know the fate,there is literally nothing on Mercedes after the game

[@GoblinKing805]

I think the play of Rosenberg is just like Sean penn in Carlitos way the lawyer and he died in the movie.I think they played where they made ken a joke but no matter what he was there for tommy in loyalty I think the reason why tommy didn’t kill ken is because he didn’t have to. There’s nothing ken can do to hurt tommy in anyway, it’s like gta 3 Phil is a soldier in their and is one armed just like the event where he blows his arm off in vice city. So I think in conclusion of thought Ken was annoying and doing coke and I think tommy saw an opportunity to just get rid of him and let it be and let Ken go on his own which Is great on kens part because now we know he’s just a criminal magnet going from one successor to the next, so in a way Ken will always end up on top because his natural ways which we see in vice city kick in and cj sounds a little bit more lenient towards Ken and to top it off kens not alone he’s got Kent Paul and that one guy so in the end it works for Ken .ps the reason I bring up Phil is because if it is canonical then Phil lived thru vice city and perused something without tommy. Which brings up why I think tommy just cut ties with ken. And the canonical order gta works is vice city-San andreas- gta 3 then 4 then etc…

[@stonerose1995]

I think Ken had a drug problem and Tommy sent him out West for Rehab

[@ElPatron42069]

Vice City is the best. Nothing comes close

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Cool boys play GTA SA... But real men play GTA VC...

[@senormarston3283]

Maybe you're putting too many points on Rosenberg. I believe that the reason why Vercetty didn't even had a word with Kent before cutting relations with him was because Tommy simply didn't care nor wanted to lose time with him. Specially considering the useless junkie Rosenberg became lol

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yeah, well, we wanted this video to be more devoted to Rosenberg's perspective.. Although everyone knows that Tommy did right decision by getting rid of Rosenberg being a liability in the organisation, we thought that it would be cool to look at this through Ken's eyes and in relation to their long time friendship. So yeah 🙂

[@saifshaikh3191]

I think if Tommy would have let Rosenberg back, he would have started with his addiction again. Tommy was a smart and experienced man, he gave Rosenberg enough chances and knew he can't drop his habits.

[@gaminginvestigators]

That's true.. But you know, Tommy could at least have this one last phone call with Rosenberg for the sake of good old times.. 🙂

[@saifshaikh3191]

@@gaminginvestigators Agreed

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Ken Rosenberg was forced by Sonny Forelli... This is why Tommy decided to send Ken to Fort Carson after ending Sonny's life!