WHY RUSSIAN HAS CASES and English doesn't; A mini lesson in Historical Linguistics

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How Janey Learned Russian (former COLLEGE RUSSIAN)

How Janey Learned Russian (former COLLEGE RUSSIAN)

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This video pulls from Historical Linguistics to explain why languages change over time. Russian didn't suddenly ACQUIRE cases, but rather, English LOST its cases. Find out why in this video!
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@7177YT
@7177YT Жыл бұрын
Native german here: We got eroding cases too, and it happens within a few generations as well. We used to consistently stick an 'e' at the end of words to indicate dative, i.e. "in dem Buche" vs. the more modern "in dem Buch". Substantives lost their dative e around mid 20th century. Those dativ endings are still universally understood and can be replicated by most competent speakers, but you'd come across pretty weird and stilted using them. Cheers!
@sergeizaskov5620
@sergeizaskov5620 11 ай бұрын
Дженни, Вы Молодец! Так глубоко погрузились в вопрос! Вызываете уважение! Хочется Вас поддержать! А самое главное - Вы сказали, что нам нужно больше общаться в эти трудные времена. Это будет способствовать общему процветанию и миру. Согласен!
@yoshihamato6171
@yoshihamato6171 Жыл бұрын
Сразу как только видео включил, сильно бросилось в глаза ТО, что цвет глаз и куртка хорошо сочетаются 👌🙂 Благодарим за информацию и ваши старания 🙌
@VerticalBlank
@VerticalBlank Жыл бұрын
What I find very interesting is that languages with cases tend not to use articles, and vice versa. Latin has six cases and no articles, but when people discarded the cases on the way to becoming Italian, French etc, they felt the need to introduce indefinite and definite articles by adapting the words for "one" and "that".
@andreyg8489
@andreyg8489 Жыл бұрын
Good point!
@crafter3000
@crafter3000 Жыл бұрын
And then there's german with four cases marked primarily with articles
@РусланЗаурбеков-з6е
@РусланЗаурбеков-з6е Жыл бұрын
But this theory is ruined by, for example, German -- has both articles and 4 cases. )))
@НикифорПетров-ы6ь
@НикифорПетров-ы6ь Жыл бұрын
No, you can use both in a language, but you can't use neither.@@РусланЗаурбеков-з6е
@romaaeterna5476
@romaaeterna5476 Жыл бұрын
Not true: Greek has articles; and nouns, adjectives, pronouns & articles decline (inflect).
@dfaz333
@dfaz333 Жыл бұрын
Incredibly interesting.Thank you🙂
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@lazybonesxp
@lazybonesxp 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for presenting all this information in such an interesting and inspiring way!
@billyjak7
@billyjak7 Жыл бұрын
Джеини радует мои глаза 😍
@dovakin-biqueen
@dovakin-biqueen Жыл бұрын
You speak about the languages interesting. I want you to keep it up 👍
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I will
@АлександрКириков-ъ2ь
@АлександрКириков-ъ2ь Жыл бұрын
Perfect, marvellous!!!
@alexk7046
@alexk7046 Жыл бұрын
As for stigma about whom... I grew up with an English Lit PhD for a mother, so that stigma certainly existed for me! lol I'm glad it did, because that has helped me better understand Russian grammar. In fact the grammar is why I fell in love with this language. Seeing an alternative expression of grammatical logic is fascinating. It reminds me of learning symbolic logic in college. Being able to put yourself in a different thought-mode is exhilarating.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Yes! I actually think Russian grammar is beautiful because it’s so organized! Do you know how to correctly use “whom”? If not, I’m telling your mom! 😜
@alexk7046
@alexk7046 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned ну да)
@untiluxgd225
@untiluxgd225 Жыл бұрын
"an alternative expression of grammatical logic" well said, I'll take note
@amnbvcxz8650
@amnbvcxz8650 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, that’s exactly why ive been a bit intrigued by finno ugric case system as a russian after learning english and previously having known german. A different way of structuring relationships between objects/concepts, although interestingly russian has quite a bit of influence from finno ugric languages grammatically, including some minor cases (only used with some words), the expression of posession (by me/him/her/etc + object), skipping the use of verb “to be”
@Ioan_Smesitel
@Ioan_Smesitel Жыл бұрын
Узнал много нового о своëм языке)) Спасибо за видео!
@ClaudiaEhrhardt
@ClaudiaEhrhardt Жыл бұрын
@howjaneylearned - You should read "The loom of languages" by Frederick Bodmer. The book was written 80+ years ago, so some stuff sounds strange or outdated, but he shows the similarities between Romance langagues or Germanic langu4, how they developed, etc. In my opinion a must read for everyone interested in languages.
@GrimLordofOregon
@GrimLordofOregon Жыл бұрын
Awesome subject matter. I love this grammar stuff. Totally agree about on whom, in spoken English it is quickly going going, soon to be gone. Never send to know who the bell tolls for; it tolls for whom.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
You would LOVE that book on English. It was my happy place. Also, if you keep up with Russian some day you’ll be able to understand the videos of Микитко сын Алексеев but in Russian about all the quirks of Russian language history.
@lazybonesxp
@lazybonesxp 8 ай бұрын
@@howjaneylearned, Yeah, as a Russian, I love to watch/listen to his videos very much, so I totally agree with the advice above if you like linguistics.
@blindsniper2012
@blindsniper2012 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо, очень интересно. Про местный падеж даже не задумывался раньше. А звательный начинает, похоже, заново формироваться. Все эти "Мам!", "Тёть!", "Саш!" :)
@amnbvcxz8650
@amnbvcxz8650 8 ай бұрын
Yes, it’s called new vocative, and is used informally
@bhantetitidhammo7802
@bhantetitidhammo7802 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Respect for your job!
@SkippingToTheEndOfHistory
@SkippingToTheEndOfHistory Жыл бұрын
“Whom” is a case. It’s the dative, I think-the indirect object. So it’s actually a very old holdout for the English case system. Also, there is one case in English that has survived in its entirety, almost in original form, and that’s the genitive-AKA the possessive. In Old English, the case suffix was -s. In Modern English, it’s -‘s or -s’ for words in which the stem ends in s. So it’s arguably gotten more complex than it was a thousand years ago. It’s the one case that word order won’t make clear.
@vrmartin202
@vrmartin202 Жыл бұрын
Even knowing quite a bit about Russian cases, this video is once again helpful and so well stated.
@shogunkub
@shogunkub Жыл бұрын
I remember when my English teacher explained the origin of irregular verbs in English, and suddenly they began to make sense 😂 Lessons like this are really important for better understanding. Your Russian is a music for my ears. Subscribed, though I don't need to learn Russian 🙃
@EJARNY
@EJARNY Жыл бұрын
Excellent video !
@bytownmary
@bytownmary Жыл бұрын
So interesting. Thanks for presenting this. Russian cases are a challenge that is for sure. As a grammar nerd I love the challenge.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Жыл бұрын
Finnish and Chinese are waiting for you.
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
@@peterfireflylund 😀😀😀
@somecyrillicletters
@somecyrillicletters Жыл бұрын
Wanted to comment on your point about old Russian cases. Russian and its ancestors never had more than 7 cases, the 7th always being the vocative. Partitive and locative cases in modern Russian are not old cases leaving Russian, they are leftovers from lost noun declension classes, and these cases were always incomplete. You may note that those cases occur mostly in masculine nouns ending in consonant/-ь. Endings in those incomplete cases came from lost declension class also ending in consonant/-ь which had many common endings with the remaining one (examples of nouns from that lost class being домъ, боръ, носъ, сынъ, медъ). That lost case had -у endings in both genitive and locative (which really is the synonym for prepositional, it's just that the name "prepositional" have replaced the name "locative" in Russian grammar a few centuries ago), and so after the declension class was lost, some of its differing endings got reused as those incomplete cases, even in nouns that never belonged in the lost class.
@valera_v
@valera_v Жыл бұрын
Очень интересно было послушать про историю! А я стараюсь использовать whom, когда общаюсь на английском😅
@DeadnWoon
@DeadnWoon Жыл бұрын
There was also partitive case in Russian that still sometimes occurs nowadays...
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Да! Хочу чаю, хлебу и тд. It became an in irregular of genitive.
@Just4Kixs
@Just4Kixs 10 ай бұрын
@16:20 That's the exact reason too why the Spaniards in the Philippines kept their language as an elitist language while the common folk spoke the vernacular languages yet the vernacular languages borrowed so much Spanish vocabulary in the politics and humanities sectors.
@Just4Kixs
@Just4Kixs 10 ай бұрын
In Cebuano, we are slowly losing the Oblique case and it's merging with the Ergative case. It's most likely because of influence from English.
@ПавелКуликов-м9м
@ПавелКуликов-м9м Жыл бұрын
Из индоевропейских языков, сохранивших падеже - конечно, классическая латынь! Может быть испано- или Франко говорящим говорящим стоит освоить латинскую грамматику перед, или паралельно с изучением русского, многое станет понятнее.
@speakrussian6779
@speakrussian6779 Жыл бұрын
English does have cases. Those are functions of nouns in a sentence: a subject, a direct object, an indirect object and a genitive form. But English is an analytic language and that is why cases in English are not modified by endings or another parts of speech.
@royalyarbrough9596
@royalyarbrough9596 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to have you as a tutor? Please
@horeca-tech6741
@horeca-tech6741 3 ай бұрын
Using cases makes it possible to emphasize the main word in the sentence by placing it at the beginning, for example, the first three sentences all have different meaning. "Mom loves dad-u" means she and not somebody else loves dad or it also could be a neutral form. "Dad-u loves mom" means she loves him and not somebody else "Loves mom dad-u" means she loves him and not feeling else.
@ivanlukianov2139
@ivanlukianov2139 Жыл бұрын
Вероятно, английский потерял падежи вследствие фиксации ударения на первом слоге и ослабления произношения в конце слова, а не из-за того, что говорящие перестали заботиться о грамматической корректности речи. Плюс есть существенная разница между норманнским и татаро-монгольскими завоеваниями. В Англии норманны остались и стали правящей элитой, в Северо-Восточной Руси монголы опустошили край, но там не жили, править продолжали русские князья, которые просто платили дань.
@johnnywilliams2641
@johnnywilliams2641 Жыл бұрын
Language And The Mind with The Great Courses on Audible was also very good.
@Philoglossos
@Philoglossos Жыл бұрын
Languages do not simplify over time, no, and no modern historical linguist claims such a thing. This misconception stems from the conflation of several ideas. First is the fact that 'complexity' is not synonymous with morphological complexity. When you've only been exposed to European languages, it can be very easy to conclude that the 'complexity' of a language is determined by how many different endings nouns and verbs and adjectives can have. But the reality is that these endings are just one strategy for communicating information - all languages have to be able to communicate any human thought, and so if one system becomes less complex, another has to take its place. In the case of English, as our case system eroded, we developed a much more rigid syntax. In languages with more flexible syntax, word order often communicates emphasis, while in English other strategies have developed for reordering sentences in order to emphasize certain elements. Complexity is pretty much a zero sum game. Now as for morphological complexity in particular, it's also completely wrong to think that this must simplify over time. All morphological systems had to be innovated in the first place after all, and plenty of languages can clearly be shown to do this or have done this. For instance, the Romani language had only two cases a thousand years ago, now it has eight. For Indo European languages more broadly, it's clear that originally there was only a two gender system (animate and inanimate), preserved in hittite, which then got more complex. The verb system originally was less complex than we observe in Ancient Greek or Sanskrit, neither of which were particularly isolated languages. What is often true is that old noun and verb endings tend to disappear over time, because the ends of words are particularly susceptible to sound shifts that make them disappear or sound identical. But languages can and do create new endings, or other sorts of morphology like the prefixes we see in bantu languages. It's okay to make mistakes, but if you are presenting something as a fact of a scientific field, you should cite sources and properly research the topic. Don't make a claim that just seems correct and then say it's 'linguistics'.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Wow! You’re very informed! Why don’t you make videos?
@stipe3124
@stipe3124 Жыл бұрын
Six cases is alot but seven is even worse😅 Hrvatski (i Srpski) su još kompleksniji kad su padeži u pitanju nominativ,genitiv,akuzativ,vokativ,lokativ,dativ i instrumental 😅
@techtinkerin
@techtinkerin Жыл бұрын
That was cool😊
@ethiop_frum
@ethiop_frum Жыл бұрын
Да, правильно отмечено, что толчком к утрате падежей послужило нормандское завоевание Англии (7:39) Но, нет, это было не похожее на Монголо-татарское нашествие. В Англии норманны составили правящую верхушку, создавая строгое деление общества на классы по признаку этнического происхождения, отличая друг друга по языку. По сию пору неподготовленный слушатель ничего не разберёт в кокни! Английское общество имеет деление почти как индийские касты! Во время монгольского завоевания русская знать оставалась с народом, место русской знати не было занято монголами или тюрками, не произошло деления на свой-чужой по языку и по крови, даже наоборот, князья и бояре создали комбайн, взаимовыгодный устойчивый союз против нашествия. Так состояние языка не разрушилось. Для сравнения можно посмотреть на болгарский язык! Тюрки по языку волжские булгары в 6-7 веке переместились в места проживания южных славян и стали правящей верхушкой у них, но, утратив тюркский язык, они повлияли на тот южнославянский язык, и теперь в болгарском языке тоже нет падежей.
@Qvadratus.
@Qvadratus. Жыл бұрын
болгарский терял падежи постепенно. вплоть до 19 века.
@Qvadratus.
@Qvadratus. Жыл бұрын
скорее всего тут просто много разных причин. во первых генетически болгары ближе грекам нежели славянам. для большинства предков сегодняшних болгар славянский язык не был родным. потом собственно тюрки пришедшие с кипчакской степи. потом болгары были частью Византии. может быть влияние латыни. по аналогии с влиянием норманнов на англичан. потом Турция. ну и шпрахбунд балканский.
@joaoerasme
@joaoerasme 5 ай бұрын
very interesting video, i learned a lot! i was thinking about how standard/classical arabic has case endings by adding sounds to the last letter but in the dialects/spoken arabic they're nowhere to be found, and overall grammar is very simplified. we do still use the dual form though, it's nice, i like it :) you cant use a plural in arabic ever when speaking about 2 of something, it sounds very weird
@horeca-tech6741
@horeca-tech6741 3 ай бұрын
Bulgarian has English like gramma: Order of words is important, usage of articles definite and indefinite, and existing of past perfect tense.
@foresthillmom
@foresthillmom Жыл бұрын
Janie who is the author of the book on the Tatars? :)
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Jack Weatherford
@mitchyoung93
@mitchyoung93 Жыл бұрын
Weatherford, Jack. Genghiz (sp?) Khan and the making of the modern world.
@rafalbork1
@rafalbork1 Жыл бұрын
As a Polish speaker I find Russian cases relatively easy, but the word stress is killing me. Polish has predictable stress and many if not most Russian cases translate well into Polish.
@xygnusx5067
@xygnusx5067 Жыл бұрын
What a great video! I have a 'love-not so much love today' relationship with Russian.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Well on the not so much love days just take a step back and focus on your favorite interesting tidbits about the language. I have several videos like that on my channel!
@royalyarbrough9596
@royalyarbrough9596 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to become her student?
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Email me! collegerussian@gmail.com
@mihanich
@mihanich 8 ай бұрын
I've heard that the reason English lost its cases was due the fact that the English had to live side to side with Normans for centuries. They had both similar languages that differed mostly in case endings. So it wasn't Norman French that influenced the loss of cases but the very similar Norman speech (old Norse).
@davidex4197
@davidex4197 Жыл бұрын
I'm an English teacher in Russia. Sometimes I get a smarty-pants student (they are adults) that asks about "whom" or say "Shouldn't that be 'whom'"?... Eh, maybe keep it in mind for EILETS... Я душнила... Also, when I say there is 12 verb tenses someone will occasionally interject with "Umm, actually, I heard it was (either) 16, 18 or 24 (or some number like this) because they saw a diagram once that counted, like, passive voice and conditionals as unique verb tenses. Yeah, but with whom I just tell them "no one cares", also. Same with "whilst" (but I think it might still be a thing in England). When an answer contains something in the subjunctive mood and they as I just say "eh, that's how the queen of England talks"... Because it is not worth going through it all with B1 students, however just last week I did do a deep dive with my c2 students on the subjunctive mood. Of course they had no problem with the conditional type of sentences but all the other stuff hurt their brain. While easy to learn how to form it, I found it interesting to try and explain WHY people know might use the subjunctive mood, of course I have my own explanation, but I am serious as how you might answer this question (especial they it comes from a Russian). Also, in 4 years of teaching well educated adults, only two people knew that at the end of a sentence comes a... not dot... not point... but a period. I suppose add one more if you count "full stop", which I don't. When that even become a thing in England? The same time H became "'хэч"?
@tooninja
@tooninja Жыл бұрын
I russian spaking ukraninan and I love watch your chennel)
@ДмитрийДашко-ь4ю
@ДмитрийДашко-ь4ю Жыл бұрын
Дженни красивеет с каждым годом все больше.
@voyagersquaremuzika
@voyagersquaremuzika Жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm from Croatia and I've been learning Russian for 2 years, and Russian cases are a bit difficult for me even though I speak a Slavic language, (Fortunately, in terms of vocabulary, Russian and Croatian are very similar) all Slavic languages have cases (except Bulgarian) that are difficult to learn, try learning Croatian! or not to mention Polish!!! :)
@Just4Kixs
@Just4Kixs 10 ай бұрын
@19:30 I laughed so hard because it's so true 😂😂
@rusmoscow1971
@rusmoscow1971 Жыл бұрын
Очень интересный рассказ! Так вернём же болгарам и македонцам падежи, а англичанам- whoM! 😀😀😀
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Удачи в этой затее!
@rafalkaminski6389
@rafalkaminski6389 10 ай бұрын
Im polish and we have nasal vowels, the vocative case and some remnants of the dual number. Interesting that the only languages of the slavic world that preserved the dual number in its fullness are these most westward: slovene and sorbian (spoke in eastern germany)
@romaaeterna5476
@romaaeterna5476 Жыл бұрын
(Earlier) Greek & Latin have cases & they’ve had them way earlier than Russian (or church Slavonic, for that matter) even existed. 😮
@kornvondorn5275
@kornvondorn5275 Жыл бұрын
A diamond: a normal everyday item 😂
@mihanich
@mihanich 8 ай бұрын
Also I heard that languages don't simplify, they just go in a cycle. Like, analytic > agglutinative > fusional > analytic and so on over and iver again. It lasts for thousands of years. Chinese is getting agglutinative little by little, Estonian is getting fusional little by little etc.
@Vesirinkeli
@Vesirinkeli Жыл бұрын
You are just smart
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
16:35 Это точно ! "Незваный гость хуже татарина !" (с) В. Даль, "Пословицы и поговорки великорусского народа". 😎
@Qvadratus.
@Qvadratus. Жыл бұрын
"великорусского" народа
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
@@Qvadratus. Ну !
@achatcueilleur5746
@achatcueilleur5746 Жыл бұрын
@@MaxGogleMogle Великопольская брехня.
@Olymus
@Olymus Жыл бұрын
Пальто, нет пальта, дать пальту, винить пальто, творить пальтом, о пальте. Польта, нет польт, дать польтам, винить польта, польтами, о польтах. (Даже слово менять не пришлось) -Кофе- кОфий/кофЕй - кОфия/кофеЯ, кОфию/кофеЮ, кофий/кофей, кОфием/кофеём, о кОфии, о кофеЕ (Пришлось немного видоизменить слово, хотя форму кофий видел в старых текстах, кофей же часто использую сам, даже вошло в привычку). Остальные "несклоняемые" слова из видео не склонял, кроме бюра. Также метро склоняю.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Лучше: нет палет 😜
@thederator
@thederator Жыл бұрын
⁠@@howjaneylearned, тогда можно пальто перепутать с палетой. Лучше уж «нет пальты»! 😂
@thederator
@thederator Жыл бұрын
Или «нет пальтов» для множественного числа
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
@@thederator "Мы из них польта делать будем на рабочий кредит " (с) Шариков, "Собачье сердце" 😎 😀😀😀
@undrenaline
@undrenaline Жыл бұрын
Approve for more linguistics and diachrony!
@DeadnWoon
@DeadnWoon Жыл бұрын
К слову, Дженни, дарю Вам рифмованную загадку в тему: "Я Марины мама сына. Как же звать меня? - Марррина!"
@ianchu8232
@ianchu8232 Жыл бұрын
The whole premise is wrong. There are cases in English. I, me, and my are three different cases.
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
My is a possessive pronoun. I think you mean MINE. Yes, so many people are splitting hairs I should have said case endings. But oh well...
@alexk7046
@alexk7046 Жыл бұрын
Maybe Bulgarians and Macedonians lost their cases to the Ottomans? Or perhaps they were more aligned with the Greek Orthodox and the continuity with Old Church Slavonic was severed? OCS is Greek influenced as it is, so maybe just more and more exchange over time? I'm imagining a Patriarch Nikon type situation recurring over and over again over the centuries. Or just the general linguistic diversity of the region? Some of all of the above? Also the historical political instability of the region could certainly have the effect of a lack of *consistent* elitism surrounding the grammar, even if during a particular regime that elitism existed.
@pawel198812
@pawel198812 Жыл бұрын
Bulgarian's loss of cases is unusual even for that region. Greek, Albanian, Turkish, Romanian, SCBM all have cases. Standard Bulgarian and Macedonian are the odd ones here. I'd object to the notion that languages get simpler over time. English might have lost its case system (well, its inflectional morphology in general), but its Tense-Aspect system is vastly more complicated. Not to mention an expanded lexicon beings its own complexity. Coptic (allegedly) is grammatically more complex than Middle Egyptian. French and Portuguese have more complex phonologies than Latin. Polish has more genders than Proto-Slavic. Chinese used to have no tones. PIE verbs used to not have tense. Imagine tense being a grammatical category that descendant languages innovated....
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
The question is then: did these languages become MORE complex as a result of contact with another language? 🤔
@mitchyoung93
@mitchyoung93 Жыл бұрын
@@pawel198812 SCBM lol. Naški ili Vaški ili Njegovski.
@Olymus
@Olymus Жыл бұрын
​@@pawel198812could you tell more about Polish's genders? I thought they had 3 only, like all or almost the other Slavic languages
@alexk7046
@alexk7046 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned Something just occurred to me. Is it possible that English has such a broad variation of mutually intelligible accents (as opposed to stricter pronunciation in Russian, for example) because as a combined language words were selected for their pronunciation distance (distinctiveness) from other words which often appear in proximity, allowing for clearer intelligibility and thus more tolerable variation? If I recall correctly, the great vowel shift began about 100 years after the end of distinctly Norman rule... so maybe this lends some support because that would have been when language and class decoupled and the language became more widely exposed to both the Germanic and Romantic elements. I wonder if distinctiveness played a significant role in deciding which words lived and died from Old English and Old French, since we clearly didn't carry everything over from both.
@СергейПастухов-е5й
@СергейПастухов-е5й Жыл бұрын
Хочу стрим-битву с LANGUAGE SIMP! Буду комментировать пока не увижу.
@troiscarottes
@troiscarottes Жыл бұрын
Ah! For lost innocence! 🙄
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
16:55 По-моему, "алмаз" от греческого "adamas" - "несокрушимый", а "кафтан" от персидского " haftan" - "haf" - "мешок", и "tan" - верхняя мужская одежда. Нет ? Тюрки были лишь посредниками, возможно, в передаче этих слов из греческого и фарси в русский, но не более ! Это НЕ тюркские слова изначально....
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Разве вы не знаете, почему падежи в болгарском исчезли? Из-за всех моих зрителей, я думала ВЫ точно ответите на этот вопрос.
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned Видимо, последствия турецкой оккупации на протяжении почти 500 лет ? Тюркские языки НЕ флективные, а агглютинативные... Видимо, как-то вот получилось такое упрощение ввиду влияния турецкого языка.... Нет ?
@Qvadratus.
@Qvadratus. Жыл бұрын
про хозяинa забыл. великая сакаляба.
@cicik57
@cicik57 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned болгария действительно долгое время была под турецким владычеством
@achatcueilleur5746
@achatcueilleur5746 Жыл бұрын
@@MaxGogleMogle Турции , турок и турецкого языка не было до 1923-го года. Вам прусским полякам "забыли" это написать в методичке. Попугайничаеете одно и тоже 500 лет.
@sedan1814
@sedan1814 6 ай бұрын
Я тоже создал самые лëгкие уроки русского языка на основе поверхностной грамматики русского языка на английском языке. 😎
@barsir
@barsir Жыл бұрын
Очень интересное погружение в историю языков, но хочу отметить, что в татарском языке тоже есть падежи и их тоже 6 как и в русском, думаю, это тоже повлияло на то, что русский в отличие от английского не потерял систему падежей, так как у французских норманнов падежей не было.
@troshiniv
@troshiniv Жыл бұрын
Privet! Great video!!!
@shiwadaay07
@shiwadaay07 19 күн бұрын
Вот почему я считаю, что современный английский язык не очень хорош. Я сам хорошо понимаю немецкий и исландский языки, отличные от английского языка. Согласен с вами, что русский язык очень красив и логичен. Я ещё изучаю этот язык. 😉
@Audra-ri2fe
@Audra-ri2fe Жыл бұрын
So sad, first sample and already slightly incorrect "mom loves dad". Word order in Russian somehow matters and can create meaning.
@EJARNY
@EJARNY Жыл бұрын
Many tenses have disappeared in French
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Can you give examples?
@Vghu179
@Vghu179 Жыл бұрын
because of the ottoman empire ?
@darkyboode3239
@darkyboode3239 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is learning Russian, I don’t use the different cases. It’s easier and faster to just use one word, and I focus on the vocabulary and not the grammar.
@Дмитрий-л3щ5б
@Дмитрий-л3щ5б Жыл бұрын
Из всех иностранных ютуберов Джейни лучше всех говорит на русском языке и конечно знает его правила. На мой взгляд первое место с ней может разделить только итальянка Валентина Моретти. 2 место у француженки Леа Камий. 3 место полька Настя и испанка Нурия. 4 место швейцарка Лориана и венесуэлка Кайла
@smv_-re5rb
@smv_-re5rb Жыл бұрын
Не согласен! По моему мнению, "SHANKANAKA" (она китаянка, и учила русский язык лет 5-7 всего) управляется с русским языком много лучше (особенно рекомендую посмотреть её ролик "Моя Русская Личность!! -Китаянка по-русски")
@Дмитрий-л3щ5б
@Дмитрий-л3щ5б Жыл бұрын
Спасибо, обязателбно гляну
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Валентина, по-моему перестала вести канал. Я тоже была впечатлена ее русским! Я мечтаю говорить так красиво, как она.
@денисдрагунов-в6ч
@денисдрагунов-в6ч Жыл бұрын
@@Дмитрий-л3щ5б посмотри канал еще одной испанки (не нурии),сейчас не помню название,но она сдала русский на с2. у нее вообще какой-то запредельный уровень владения да еще и речь очень уверенная
@oktavbanar7059
@oktavbanar7059 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned Валя родила ребенка. Ей не до канала
@bingo__bongo
@bingo__bongo Жыл бұрын
Case study Nice pun
@bingo__bongo
@bingo__bongo Жыл бұрын
By the way, is there any way I can support your channel from Russia? Patreon is not really an option for obvious reasons
@zeitlin46
@zeitlin46 Жыл бұрын
Shalom from Israel! I’m a native language speaker and I really think, that cases system is suck! So many ppl, who live in RF make a lot of mistakes! blood from my eyes) Especially they make mistakes with “numerals”! It’s as bad as my Eng))) Example: у меня нет двухста рублей» или «у меня нет двести рублей» Родительный падеж от слова «двести» - «двухСОТ». You can hear it on TV or radio. I hope, that rules will reduced. Will fall off like vestiges. And it will be easier for everybody to learn the language. But.. I can’t find the reason for foreign people to learn this language! Seriously. Что касаемо склонения заимствованных слов (СРеднего Рода в частности), то мне, как коренному жителю столицы, жутко режет слух «в метре», «на метре» «в пальте» «пальта» «Кофя» etc... Ах да, фраза: "поехал На Москву" для меня marker. Москвич никогда так не скажет. Он скажет "поехал В Москву" "В Ростов" и т.д.
@pitirimpeczersky4270
@pitirimpeczersky4270 Жыл бұрын
Просто у тебя польта нормального не было😆
@rohl1979
@rohl1979 Жыл бұрын
Ммм. Русский язык какой-то сложный.
@nikolaykhramov1269
@nikolaykhramov1269 11 ай бұрын
Иностранцы поэтому и не любят русский язык, потому-что в нём есть падежи! / That's why foreigners don't like the Russian language, because it has cases!
@andreyg8489
@andreyg8489 Жыл бұрын
The hungarian language has 35 grammar cases
@mralexandertopchin7942
@mralexandertopchin7942 Жыл бұрын
So few?😂
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Do I dare ask why? Also, HTF are Finnish Hungarian and Uralic the same language family?
@andreyg8489
@andreyg8489 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned 🤔
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned Это еще не все... финно-угорские языки некоторые имеют еще и т.н. "падеж направления": т.е. направления движения "туда" и "оттуда" склоняются по этому падежу, и "падеж положения": "выше" или "ниже" , "внутри" или "снаружи" чего-то, какого-то объекта ! Куда там русскому с его глаголами движения... вот это я понимаю - ЖЕСТЬ ! 😎
@nonman3634
@nonman3634 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned What do you mean, why? What kind of answer do you expect? Also, I sense some confusion here. Finnish and Hungarian are both Uralic languages. The Uralic language family is traditionally classified as Samoyedic and Finno-Ugric. The latter is further divided into Finno-Permic and Ugric, with Finnish belonging to the former and Hungarian to the latter. Finnish and Hungarian are indeed relatives, but about as close relatives as, say, Russian and Spanish.
@шибкоумнаяоднако
@шибкоумнаяоднако Жыл бұрын
I still can't understand, how american girl can tell so facinating things about my native language in her native language. How does it work?
@achatcueilleur5746
@achatcueilleur5746 Жыл бұрын
What's your native language?
@techtinkerin
@techtinkerin Жыл бұрын
Because she's fluent in Russian 😂
@НикифорПетров-ы6ь
@НикифорПетров-ы6ь Жыл бұрын
the Bulgarian language without cases sounds terrible to the Russian ear
@johnfletcher3075
@johnfletcher3075 Жыл бұрын
Children are a foreign race who change the language
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
true dat
@tooninja
@tooninja Жыл бұрын
The same story with bolharian and macedonian laguage, becouse of turks invasion. This languages are slavic and they don`t have cases. But you should be happy becouse russian cases have a system, you can us endings like lego, and all be fine.
@achatcueilleur5746
@achatcueilleur5746 Жыл бұрын
Turks, Turkish language and Turkey didn't exist before 1923.
@keithkannenberg7414
@keithkannenberg7414 Жыл бұрын
@@achatcueilleur5746 The Ottoman Emprre is often referred to as the "Ottoman Turks". @tooninja has got to be right that the bulgarian and macedonian languages changed due to Ottoman rule.
@pleindespoir
@pleindespoir Жыл бұрын
Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod.
@johnnywilliams2641
@johnnywilliams2641 Жыл бұрын
Awesome bideo, better than sex.
@joed1950
@joed1950 Жыл бұрын
But English DOES have cases. Or is that English DO have cases
@williamliamsmith4923
@williamliamsmith4923 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you are suggest the do->does change is case. Cases are about change in nouns, not verbs. If you meant something else by this comment, please ignore.
@Deibi078
@Deibi078 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@oktavbanar7059
@oktavbanar7059 Жыл бұрын
Прослушал до конца но ни фига не понял
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Придётся учить английский ;)
@oktavbanar7059
@oktavbanar7059 Жыл бұрын
@@howjaneylearned как говорил Дартаньян- Английский это хорошо испорченный французский
@howjaneylearned
@howjaneylearned Жыл бұрын
Испорченный французский И немецкий! Это полный беспредел!
@MaxGogleMogle
@MaxGogleMogle Жыл бұрын
Для тех, кто английского не знает: поставь "Яндекс-браузер" на основе хрома, и в правом углу видео на youtube нажми буковку "А".... Автоматический перевод на русский с голоса Дженни с помощью нейросетей Яндекса - женский голос на русском поверх оригинала английского Дженни, и т.к. у Дженни идеальная дикция, попадание более 95 % !
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